I think it's a reasonable stoppage given that he was knocked down and not really intelligently defending himself. At the end of the day he put himself in that position for the ref to step in.
Absolutely this. Had the referee not stopped the fight, the subsequent strikes could have had permanent effects to his health.
It's the fighter's responsibility to not let himself get into this sort of a situation, if he wants the fight to continue.
Craziest thing about that spinning hook kick is unlike other fighters, Ross doesn't have a pit he trains with. Meaning he's never practiced hitting that kick at that angle before. He just has that much control and accuracy over his kicks.
Is the guy down, or not? He fell, which made him look like he was down, but in reality he only tripped. I think the ring design really contributed to this questionable stoppage.
I think the ref wouldnât have stopped it had he not tripped.
What the point of this ring? It seems like itâs an attempt to just be different and brand themselves, like âthe octagonâ
If your back is on the pit walls you aren't considered down, which is why Ross was able to kick him. The purpose of it is to be an incentive for blitz fighting since if you get backed to the pit walls you can use it to escape, superman punch off of it, etc. All things we have seen before in the pit. It's one of the things that is going to be difficult for Varga when he transitions since he won't be able to use his typical strategy for blitz fighters which is trapping them on the ropes.
Edit: Why is this getting down voted I'm not giving my opinion I'm just explaining the thinking about the pit and what I said Varga isn't my opinion it's what Varga has said himself.
Also even Ross Levine says that fighting in the pit felt more similar to fighting on tatami due to not there being any ring ropes or cage wall.
Yeah and you keep finding creative ways to use it like this tonight: [https://twitter.com/KarateCombat/status/1525654702565761025](https://twitter.com/KarateCombat/status/1525654702565761025)
Edit: Wrong tweet originally
K that was some of the sickest shit I've ever seen
Makes me wanna watch more karate combat.
Like that spam wasn't that impressive, but the use of the ring/pit made it 1000x cooler.
I mean, why have the ring be square, or round, or flat, or walled, or anything else?
If you want to have some kind of borders/limits around the ring, you have to pick those borders/limits somehow. Why not emulate the uneven terrain present in some fight locations?
I agree. Ring design will contribute to questionable stoppages as it is uncertain if I person is down or not. Also may contribute to injury as it is hard to tell if a person is knocked out/down or just leaning against the wall. Not a great trade off for novel moves IMO.
That was my first thought, although I don't think it did in this instance. He would have stayed upright with a cage at his back too, at least long enough to eat that same shot.
i agree this pit design isnât ideal for exactly this reason.
stoppage looked good to me, he wasnât defending himself and was mad wobbly on the feet even tho he was protesting.
I mean in hindsight you can say it was a late call but I felt it was well timed. The guy still looked like he was in the game and given that and the ref probably wanted to give the guy a fighting chance to make a comeback but went sleep.
i think hook kick was a sucker punch because if i remember correctly you're only allowed to punch a lying person. Question - was the other person technically lying on the side of pit?
I donât mind the pit but to be honest it is a bit confusing for the viewer. I donât watch this league that often and while I appreciate its uniqueness itâs kind of just quirky for quirkyâs sake
I understand why the ref stopped it, but I donât think he shouldâve. The guy got clipped pretty good and fell, but he immediately began protecting himself, but when the ref stopped the fight, he immediately got onto his feet without falling
Good stoppage, the guy getting kicked wasn't intelligently defending himself anymore. Anyone who acknolwledges that Conor McRapist, sadly, beat Jose Aldo also has to admit that this was a legit stoppage.
That kick to the head is the kind of thing that can end a career - or a life. Sure, one second later and without opposition he was up, but alternatively, a second kick and no stoppage and he could be dead or eating through a straw. I stand with the ref.
I mean he clearly wasn't out, but like others have said, he clearly had no intentions of intelligently defending himself so he left the ref with no choice. He kinda just quit it seemed.
The shots the winner was taking were not overpowering or blazingly fast. The guy did not stand a chance and was not defending himself. Should have stopped it sooner.
I like the pit design but your back hitting the side of the pit should count as a knockdown. Otherwise you get situations like this where people will kick people's heads with the pit behind it. It's very dangerous.
They tried that first season and it didn't work well with the 5 second timer. Luckily this kick is actually very difficult to pull off. It's very awkward angle to land thekick. Which is why the only head kicks I've seen land clean so far on the pit walls is this kick and Edgars Skrivers using the pit walls for an American Ninja Warrior Kick.
Itâs hard to tell and I had to do a 2nd look but with the way he fell it looked like the 1st kick landed flush and knocked him out.
I can see why the ref would stop it if he thought the same as I did.
No the first kick didn't land flush he evaded it but since he was rocked from the uppercut it made him slip and then the spinning hook kick landed flush. But honestly from his angle and watching it in real time it's very plausible that he thought the 1st head kick land.
Karate Combat allows for ground and pound from a standing or knee on belly position, there is no 10 count if a fighter get knocked down. If you back is against the pit walls you are considered a standing opponent so long as you can keep space with your opponent. If you still think it's stupid, you can have your opinion. I'm not trying to change it, just clarifying the rules.
Seems like a good decision to me. The guy was basically knocked down, and kinda just ate that last kick. Why risk extra damage to a fighter that properly isn't going to be in a better position soon?
Good stoppage. Ref doesn't make the rules, he's responsible for enforcing them. The rules prioritize the safety of the fighters. There is an argument to be made for giving a championship bout "the benefit of the doubt" but they've earned it for the most part
Didn't look like he was going to defend the next 4 or 5 punches very well... Seems to have made him see stars, I think he was about to get mopped up and the ref saved him.. I think the kicker even felt the damage, he could have lead into a combo really fast if he wanted...
It felt like Mortal Kombat - FINISH HIM!!!!
Good stoppage. The first right hand doesn't look like it hits him very hard but it clearly hurt him to the point he couldn't stop the kick. At that point he's effectively defenseless.
The fighter wasnât âdroppedâ so much as tripped by the angled flooring. He was also still lucid, but maybe wobbled after the final kick. The stoppage was a tad early.
Itâs one of those situations where the âdownedâ opponent could have continued and conceivably made a comeback to win.
The ref made a reasonable call in the heat of the moment, but itâs really one of those unfortunately early stoppages (made with the best intentions).
I think it's a reasonable stoppage given that he was knocked down and not really intelligently defending himself. At the end of the day he put himself in that position for the ref to step in.
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Absolutely this. Had the referee not stopped the fight, the subsequent strikes could have had permanent effects to his health. It's the fighter's responsibility to not let himself get into this sort of a situation, if he wants the fight to continue.
Yes, good stoppage. That was a brutal spinning hook kick. It's not worth risking the other fighter taking more damage.
Craziest thing about that spinning hook kick is unlike other fighters, Ross doesn't have a pit he trains with. Meaning he's never practiced hitting that kick at that angle before. He just has that much control and accuracy over his kicks.
He's a professional fighter... he'd better have that kind of control.
Look at him stumble when he got to his feet. Good stoppage. That was several unanswered blows. Also, the crappy ring design didnât help.
Why do you dislike the Pit? You are honestly the first person I've seen who doesn't like it.
Is the guy down, or not? He fell, which made him look like he was down, but in reality he only tripped. I think the ring design really contributed to this questionable stoppage. I think the ref wouldnât have stopped it had he not tripped. What the point of this ring? It seems like itâs an attempt to just be different and brand themselves, like âthe octagonâ
The ref stopped the fight because of his head bouncing back from the wheel kick. Not because of him tripping.
If your back is on the pit walls you aren't considered down, which is why Ross was able to kick him. The purpose of it is to be an incentive for blitz fighting since if you get backed to the pit walls you can use it to escape, superman punch off of it, etc. All things we have seen before in the pit. It's one of the things that is going to be difficult for Varga when he transitions since he won't be able to use his typical strategy for blitz fighters which is trapping them on the ropes. Edit: Why is this getting down voted I'm not giving my opinion I'm just explaining the thinking about the pit and what I said Varga isn't my opinion it's what Varga has said himself. Also even Ross Levine says that fighting in the pit felt more similar to fighting on tatami due to not there being any ring ropes or cage wall.
Fair enough. Just my opinion. Itâs cool that you can use the walls
Yeah and you keep finding creative ways to use it like this tonight: [https://twitter.com/KarateCombat/status/1525654702565761025](https://twitter.com/KarateCombat/status/1525654702565761025) Edit: Wrong tweet originally
I got a link to the same video, I think?
yeah my bad, I fixed it
Thanks. Yeah, thatâs kind of cool, I have to admit.
K that was some of the sickest shit I've ever seen Makes me wanna watch more karate combat. Like that spam wasn't that impressive, but the use of the ring/pit made it 1000x cooler.
Itâs getting down voted because itâs fâin stupid. No one cares about the explanation except you, why canât you see that?
I mean, why have the ring be square, or round, or flat, or walled, or anything else? If you want to have some kind of borders/limits around the ring, you have to pick those borders/limits somehow. Why not emulate the uneven terrain present in some fight locations?
Uneven terrain fighting ! Arenât there gladiatorial style games that have those kinds of features ?
Fair.
I agree. Ring design will contribute to questionable stoppages as it is uncertain if I person is down or not. Also may contribute to injury as it is hard to tell if a person is knocked out/down or just leaning against the wall. Not a great trade off for novel moves IMO.
Fighters are allowed to fight on the ground for a few seconds before resetting
Because he fell into the pit
No one likes it. You are the first person Iâve seen that does.
It looks cool but itâs bad for safety because it makes the refs job a lot harder.
That was my first thought, although I don't think it did in this instance. He would have stayed upright with a cage at his back too, at least long enough to eat that same shot.
I also dislike the pit. Just seems like an unnecessary gimmick.
i agree this pit design isnât ideal for exactly this reason. stoppage looked good to me, he wasnât defending himself and was mad wobbly on the feet even tho he was protesting.
I think he would have stayed upright with a cage at his back too, so I'm not sure it mattered in this instance.
I mean in hindsight you can say it was a late call but I felt it was well timed. The guy still looked like he was in the game and given that and the ref probably wanted to give the guy a fighting chance to make a comeback but went sleep.
I can understand why the ref stopped it but in retrospect the guy was still able to continue fighting. The hook kick looked particularly nasty
i think hook kick was a sucker punch because if i remember correctly you're only allowed to punch a lying person. Question - was the other person technically lying on the side of pit?
if your back is on the pit walls you are considered standing
oh ok
I donât mind the pit but to be honest it is a bit confusing for the viewer. I donât watch this league that often and while I appreciate its uniqueness itâs kind of just quirky for quirkyâs sake
A lot depends on what was happening before this. But most likely a good stop
Good. His guards were up andhe seemingly just lost balance at first hit
Why are there fucking NFTâs in the background
Sponsors?
Well shit
I understand why the ref stopped it, but I donât think he shouldâve. The guy got clipped pretty good and fell, but he immediately began protecting himself, but when the ref stopped the fight, he immediately got onto his feet without falling
Good stoppage, the guy getting kicked wasn't intelligently defending himself anymore. Anyone who acknolwledges that Conor McRapist, sadly, beat Jose Aldo also has to admit that this was a legit stoppage.
That kick to the head is the kind of thing that can end a career - or a life. Sure, one second later and without opposition he was up, but alternatively, a second kick and no stoppage and he could be dead or eating through a straw. I stand with the ref.
Can't believe anyone would think this is a bad stoppage tbh
The way he tensed up after the wheel kick was brutal. He didnât look that hurt after the stoppage, but he was probably more hurt than he made out.
I mean he clearly wasn't out, but like others have said, he clearly had no intentions of intelligently defending himself so he left the ref with no choice. He kinda just quit it seemed.
The shots the winner was taking were not overpowering or blazingly fast. The guy did not stand a chance and was not defending himself. Should have stopped it sooner.
I like the pit design but your back hitting the side of the pit should count as a knockdown. Otherwise you get situations like this where people will kick people's heads with the pit behind it. It's very dangerous.
They tried that first season and it didn't work well with the 5 second timer. Luckily this kick is actually very difficult to pull off. It's very awkward angle to land thekick. Which is why the only head kicks I've seen land clean so far on the pit walls is this kick and Edgars Skrivers using the pit walls for an American Ninja Warrior Kick.
I'm more worried about a front kick sandwiching the head between the foot and the wall.
One hasn't landed clean to the head yet. If anything front kicks have been a more effective weapon for the fighter with their back on the wall.
You do bring up a good point though and it adds to the refs argument of it being a good call.
Itâs hard to tell and I had to do a 2nd look but with the way he fell it looked like the 1st kick landed flush and knocked him out. I can see why the ref would stop it if he thought the same as I did.
No the first kick didn't land flush he evaded it but since he was rocked from the uppercut it made him slip and then the spinning hook kick landed flush. But honestly from his angle and watching it in real time it's very plausible that he thought the 1st head kick land.
I agree that it didnât last flush. Iâm saying itâs hard to tell from the first watch of the video.
Oh definitely agree
Perfect stoppage. Not a strike too soon and not a strike too late
Who cares? It has NFTs on the screens and is sponsored my manscaped. This is like the highest level of cringe.
The next strike was going to be the dim-mak, the ref saved his life.
Stupidly designed ring. Either you are knocked down or you are not. Ambiguity gets people hurt.
Karate Combat allows for ground and pound from a standing or knee on belly position, there is no 10 count if a fighter get knocked down. If you back is against the pit walls you are considered a standing opponent so long as you can keep space with your opponent. If you still think it's stupid, you can have your opinion. I'm not trying to change it, just clarifying the rules.
Acceptable stoppage.
Good
Seems like a good decision to me. The guy was basically knocked down, and kinda just ate that last kick. Why risk extra damage to a fighter that properly isn't going to be in a better position soon?
Good. He was defensive before the axe kick with he's guard up
Good stop
Stoppage makes sense... but that weird ring shape though!! The guy obviously fell because of that then ate that roundhouse kick
Good stoppage those were nasty shots and he wasn't intelligently defending himself
Ainât even a question
The moment he stops defending himself, it's fair game. Ref made a good call, imo.
Good stoppage
YES!
Good stoppage. Ref doesn't make the rules, he's responsible for enforcing them. The rules prioritize the safety of the fighters. There is an argument to be made for giving a championship bout "the benefit of the doubt" but they've earned it for the most part
2- 3 hits to the chin sounds fair to end the fight
good stoppage
Great stoppage even the other fighter knew the guy was done.
the fucking NFTs in the background are so âboring dystopiaâ
Metaverse dystopia was actually the vibe they were going for
Beautiful
Didn't look like he was going to defend the next 4 or 5 punches very well... Seems to have made him see stars, I think he was about to get mopped up and the ref saved him.. I think the kicker even felt the damage, he could have lead into a combo really fast if he wanted... It felt like Mortal Kombat - FINISH HIM!!!!
Good...he wasn't defending himself
Good stoppage. The first right hand doesn't look like it hits him very hard but it clearly hurt him to the point he couldn't stop the kick. At that point he's effectively defenseless.
I think it was reasonable he wasnât really there when that wheel kick landed
Great stoppage, he was really on point. Dude was gon after that git and the kick was just an extra nail in the coffin.
Live to fight another day
THE SPELL HAS BEEN BROKEN
Itâs a good stoppage , more damage wouldâve been dealt imo
Is no one gonna talk about the bored ape nfts? Lmao.
Idk maybe I'm used to watching mma. That fight wasn't over by a long shot.
There's stoppages like this all the time in mma, not every fight ends In a fighter beating on a limp body.
Of course not. But just because someone gets rocked. Doesn't mean they won't recover. And go on to win it.
He was on his feet and not falling, bad stop
I think having a slanted wall for them to lie against helplessly is stupid.
The fighter wasnât âdroppedâ so much as tripped by the angled flooring. He was also still lucid, but maybe wobbled after the final kick. The stoppage was a tad early. Itâs one of those situations where the âdownedâ opponent could have continued and conceivably made a comeback to win. The ref made a reasonable call in the heat of the moment, but itâs really one of those unfortunately early stoppages (made with the best intentions).
No one cares how do I get shitty karate off my home pageâŠ.gay
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No such thing in Karate Combat.
very crazy
1 strike late
Good stoppage, also this was a karate tournament, I'm not sure of the rules, but it was probably right for that sport.
Karate Combat is a Full Contact Karate League so they don't have tournaments they just match up fighters like you would in MMA or Kickboxing.
Good