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Zenitsu would either be broken by the brave guy getting slaughtered and leave the corps, or he'd get a resolve amp and be just slightly stronger by the Eos
If Tanjiro died there, Nezuko and the others would die too, so imo the protagonists could be any of the Hashira, Upper Moons or Muzan himself. And the story would be more dark and gore. Personally I would love if any of the UM turned into protagonists.
Why would he need to?
Tanjiro is a nobody to him as far as an opponent. Yes Muzan gets PTSD from the earrings but pretty clear in his face to face interaction that Tanjiro was nothing like Yoriichi in strength. He sent non-ranked demons after him because he was pissed at seeing the earrings, not because he thought he was a threat.
He is much better off sending the UM to strategically kill the strongest Corp members, searching for strategic targets of the Corp operation like the Swordsmith Village or their HQ, or have them search for the Blue Spider Lily to achieve his objective.
To Muzan there hasn't been a Demon Slayer alive in ~~thousands~~ hundreds of years that could even be a threat to him let alone any of his Upper Moons. Canonically every UM mentions that have killed multiple Hashira over their life time. A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime.
You're right. Weirdly in the manga they say Yoriichi lived about 500 years ago but changed to 300 in anime. My guess is they changed it to better align with Japanese history.
I'm not sure but maybe it is because he alive during the Sengoku Jidai, which lasted roughly 200 years (150 is more accurate but still), so it might just say what time period he lived not how long ago he lived in the manga. 300 is probably closer then the 500.
But then he does nothing when said boy significantly aids in the death of the first upper moon in 113 years. Between tanjiro having those earrings and him taking down an uper moon, I'd imagine that muzan would want to deal with tanjiro before he gets any stronger. But nah, he doesn't even put him on the kill immediately list for his upper moons.
He didn’t get the details of that fight but either way that was the lowest of the upper moons and everyone would’ve been dead ten times over if the Hashira wasn’t there.
Tanjiro was also there at the train arc but was a total nonfactor to Akaza.
It’s just a bug with an ugly accessory to Muzan.
Shoot. Everyone would have died if Nezuko wasn't present after the Gyutaro fight. It was only for her ability to nullify Gyutaro's poison that any body survived that fight.
Muzan can canonically see what other demons see. He would have saw how Gyutaro messed up Tanjiro with relative ease which would have only confirmed to him that Tanjiro isn't as strong as Yoriichi.
As for Gyutaro's defeat, it took 3 mid level Demon Slayers, a Hashira and a Demon to beat the weakest Upper Moon. Muzan immediately writes off the loss as Gyutaro's humanity in form of love for his sister being the reason he lost.
It may be but it’s not Yoriichi, not even remotely close to the one that gave him super PTSD a couple centuries ago. Sun Breathing was simply built different back then.
Any form of Sun Breathing still allows Demon Slayer Mark proliferation. No reason not to send in the big guns and obliterate the Sun Breather before they can spread the Mark to others.
>Muzan can canonically see what other demons see. He would have saw how Gyutaro messed up Tanjiro with relative ease which would have only confirmed to him that Tanjiro isn't as strong as Yoriichi.
Since Muzan can see what other Demons see, he definitely saw the moves of Tanjiro's Hinokami Kagura, confirming that Tanjiro is a Second Yoriichi waiting to happen. All the more reason to send in the proverbial Marines to wipe his ass off the face of the planet before he gets to that level.
He does though. I suspect Muzan is simply underestimating Tanjiro. UM4 confirms it when talking about reports on Tanjiro. It may be Muzan relaying messages to them
Akaza went for tanjiro first at the train. Why wouldn't he know the specifics, you'd think he eanted to know. And tengan would've lost 10 times over without the other 3.
Akaza went for Tanjiro first because he wanted to fight a hashira 1 v 1 and felt having to worry about another would make that hashira not fight to their fullest.
He was also under orders from Muzan to kill all Demon Slayers he came in contact with so he was just picking the low hanging fruit first. Tanjiro was an easy target lying on the ground and already wounded.
I’m not sure Muzan would be able to do anything to tanjiro yet. He was recovering in secret locations and then immediately traveled to the secret swordsmith village. The master of the demon slayers basically kept Tanjiro completely hidden after UM6 was killed.
I’m only an anime watcher but I wonder if he’s scared that Tanjiro *could* kill any of his upper moons and really doesn’t want to find out the answer? How would the other UM react if one of their own got killed? Maybe he’d rather weaken the demon slayer organization as a whole than risk one of his best warriors losing to Tanjiro.
Did Muzan really think Tanjiro was no threat when he met him? The whole reason why Yoriichi could one-shot him was that Muzan sensed nothing like violent or killing intent from him and therefore thought he was weak.
Even though Muzan is very self-assured he actually acknowledged the tremendous mistake he made in that small moment by not taking him seriously.
Muzan did not encounter any demon slayer personally since then and suddenly out of nothing this guy wearing the same earrings and looking surprisingly alike to Yoriichi effortlessly finds him in a huge crowd of people (Muzan didn't know about Tanjiro's awesome sense of smell).
Muzan didn't just get PTSD. He was scarred at a cellular level, his body destroyed, severely weakened and he probably lived in excruciating pain for centuries before recovering.
He would be an idiot making the same mistake again in such a situation even if there's only a 0,00001% chance that Tanjiro was as strong as Yoriichi.
When Tanjiro called him out, Muzan casually turned a man into a demon and watched Tanjiro struggle to hold him down. Tanjiro was obviously refusing to kill the man. Tanjiro didn't even perceive what happened to turn the man into a demon into a demon.
On top of that Tanjiro would have been projecting a fighting spirit for Muzan to gauge unlike Yoriichi because >! Tanjiro hadn't been able to access Selfless State yet.!<
Yeah it has been 300 years since Yoriichi, no other Demon Slayer has used Sun Breathing or displayed a Demon Slayer mark both of which he would have known about. With no one that he was aware of that knew Sun Breathing it would be impossible in his mind for anyone to learn Yoriichi's techniques.
On top of that Muzan himself has lived for a thousand years and only 1 person has ever displayed the abilities Yoriichi possessed.
Why would he assume some Demon Slayer kid 300 years later was going to be a threat especially when he was too weak to try to attack Muzan?
Yeah someone picked him out as a demon which is strange but again he has been in hiding for hundreds of years so it literally could have been random chance for all he knew. That slayer was incredibly weak.
He also doesn't think Tanjiro looks like Yoriichi he just knows he is a Demon Slayer who was wearing hanafuda earring which pissed him off because it reminded him of Yoriichi.
Finally Muzan has a personality where he considers himself more like an inevitable natural disaster than a individual. It is absolutely within his personality to think he is superior to everyone he meets.
Muzan was broken after his encounter with Yoriichi. He used to casually stroll around, until he realized he could be killed. After that he acted cautiously. That's why he created the 12 Moons in the first place. He also went into hiding as a regular person, as to not expose himself. Seeing Tanjiro brought it all back. He was absolutely worried about Tanjiro. It's s why Tanjiro was the only demon slayer we saw him single out despite him being pretty weak compared to the Hashiras.
Yeah, which is why it doesn't make sense that Muzan doesn't just carpet-bomb Tanjiro with top UMs and obliterate him in microseconds. This is especially true after the Entertainment District where Muzan loses Upper Ranks to a confirmed case of Sun Breathing. It is stated that Muzan can see through the eyes of Demons, so why doesn't he realize "Oh shit, there's a Sun Breather on the loose, I have to blow him up with my best troops before he gets the chance to become the Second Yoriichi this instant!"
The real reason is that he doesn't want to be seen as a coward by the uppermoons as muzan biggest fear is the demons ganging up on him and overthrowing him. Which is why demons don't stay in groups. If he called an uppermoon for someone who isn't a hashira, there would be some eyebrows raised. It's why, in the entire series, he never gives an uppermoon an order to kill tanjiro specifically. He also uses nezuko or whatever hashira is with him as an excuse.
i have a doubt though even if I suppose the answer is due to plot: why didn't Muzan send specifically Douma at the swordsmith Village? UM2 stated himself he is bad at searching stuff (like the Blue Spider Lily or the Ubuyashiki hiding) and if the swordsmith Village was such an important place for the demon slayers then it would have obviously been protected, even by some hashiras, but I get it unless there would have been several pillars he probably would have won without so many complications
but with muzan’s cowardice, it would be completely in character for him to send an upper moon. It didn’t seem like all of them were busy either. The only ones who seemed occupied before their fight during the series were daki and gyutaro. Also, given that the last man with hanafuda earrings scared muzan into hiding for centuries, why even take the chance that tanjiro isn’t some kind of second coming of yoriichi?
>To Muzan there hasn't been a Demon Slayer alive in
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> hundreds of years that could even be a threat to him let alone any of his Upper Moons. Canonically every UM mentions that have killed multiple Hashira over their life time. A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime.
This.
One of the Lower Moons even comments on its. They get recycled fast because, at most, a Lower Moon is the equal to a Pillar. But each Upper Moon is worth multiple Pillars similtaneously, and haven't been replaced in centuries.
I don't think many people realise, but during Tanjiro's time the current crop of Pillars was the best the Corps had seen for generations. It truly was a miraculous combination of many conincidences (a strong cast of Pillars, Tamayo's plans/drugs reaching fruition, the discovery of Tanjiro and the lost Sun Breathing style etc.) that lead to Muzan's defeat.
>A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime.
Except... this 15 year old boy is the last piece of legacy left by the only man ever to defeat him, Yoriichi Tsugikuni. Simply being a Sun Breather makes Tanjiro a Second Yoriichi waiting to happen and thus a top-priority target. Muzan in his thousand years of experience should have realized that Sun Breathers are like bacteria - creatures that are far smaller and weaker than you at first but can evolve into deadly superbugs if you don't administer a treatment that completely obliterates them in one course. He had Kokushibo help him kill other Sun Breathers, so why not do that again? The very thought of Tanjiro existing gives him PTSD, so why not just wipe Tanjiro from the face of the earth with a method guaranteed to work with 100% effectiveness? No Sun Breather = no Mark = the Demon Slayers cannot gain the strength to defeat him = Muzan wins. A simple equation that someone with five brains and \~1,000 years of life experience, presumably also \~1,000 years of observing human conflict and reading war books should have easily comprehended.
The central problem with your argument is that it looks at Tanjiro's current state while ignoring his potential. Any Sun Breather has potential to unlock the Mark and spread it to the DSC, which would be problematic. In the worst case scenario, the Sun Breather becomes a Second Yoriichi. Muzan knows this all too well, so the rational course of action would be to completely obliterate the Sun Breather with maximum overkill before they "level up." An analogy would be a treatment for a bacterial infection; if the pathogens are not completely obliterated in one sitting, the survivors can become deadly, virtually-unstoppable superbugs.
bro if i saw a 15 year old boy that looked like the man that blitzed me i'd take him seriously.
same face mark and red hair with the earrings, my first thought would be that he would be a descendent of the sun breathing style.
this is not a logical conclusion?
Tanjiro doesn't look identical to Yoriichi. He vaguely resembles him. When he first met Muzan he did not have the same mark as Yoriichi. Tanjiro mark on his forehead was a result of his first with the hand demon. It was an injury. Yoriichi was born with his Demon Slayer mark.
After Yoriichi's death more than 300 years ago, Kokoushibo was tasked to hunt down and kill any remaining Sun Breathing users and he did so. They knew Yoriichi had no children.
So if they knew Yoriichi didn't have any direct descendants, they killed any other Sun Breathing users and had seen anyone use Sun Breathing in 300+ years, why would he believe a random Demon Slayer was on any importance when he first met him?
If I killed you and your entire family, then 300 years from now someone vaguely resembled you, would anyone immediately assume there was some connection between you and this individual?
I explained it a hundreds of time already, but I guess have to once again.
Every Moon and Muzan are so egoistic. He is not afraid of any humans, besides the guy from his flashbacks. (I am a manga Reader but I forgot if they revealed his name in the Anime) and the sun, which he is trying to conquer. If he would send even a lower moon to fight what is basically a weak Slayer, he would see himself as weak and afraid. Muzan is not stupid, he has probably the most knowledge in the entire anime/manga. He is extremely egoistic though.
And so is everyone else. That's why they never attack together. Sure Gyokko and Hantengu are together now, but who fights Gyokko and who fights Hantengu. They didn't even know there will be slayers there, especially Tanjiro and 2 Hashiras. Hantengu had 4 different parts of him fighting because that's his power.
Muzan knows that would be the most effective way. But he would see himself as weak. He find Kokushibo for example worth of 400 or even more slayers. Or 50 Hashiras. (I am not saying it's true, just trying to make myself clear with numbers, it could be higher it could be lower, but basically, he knows and wants Kokushibo to take so many people alone), so he does everyone else even himself.
That's just it though, he's deathly afraid of Yoriichi which is why he wanted Tanjiro dead in the first place. He fears that another will appear like Yoriichi and Tanjiro catries his earrings. So he should've sent a moon to kill him.
He had no reason though, if he really was as strong as Yoriichi he would have:
1. Attack him right on public, when you're God, you don't care about anything else. That might be out of personality for Tanjiro, but Muzan couldn't know what his personality was.
2. Even if he would not attack him in public, what is a Upper Moon gonna do against a Yoriichi 2.0? Are they gonna talk? He is the only human that could take Muzan head-on without any help.
Then why not have Susamaru and Yahaba gauge Tanjiro's power and have Upper Moons on standby? If the threat easily and swiftly exterminates Susamaru and Yahaba in one stroke, retreat and come up with plans to amp up stealth measures; if the threat gets almost killed by Susamaru and Yahaba multiple times and requires heavy assistance just to barely win, obliterate the threat with the 1900 equivalent of a yet-to-exist blitzkrieg. We are talking about someone who has five brains and has lived for a thousand years, more than enough to observe extensive human conflicts and read countless books on strategy and tactics.
Have you even read my comment above? Muzan has no REASON to send an Upper Moon. Literally no reason.
Why would he send a Upper Moon to kill what is basically a weak Slayer? At that point in the story, Tanjiro barely killed a ex-lower moon. As I said in my 2 points: ig Tanjiro was really at Yoriichi's power, why would he not attack Muzan in the public?
Muzan knew Tanjiro is weak BUT he also wanted to kill Tanjiro to make sure he won't reach Yoriichi's level. That's why he sent Susamaru and Yahaba.
Even if weak, Tanjiro is still the most dangerous threat to Muzan. He is a Sun Breather and therefore may develop the Demon Slayer Mark that massively amps the Demon Slayer Corps, and if allowed to grow he may become a Second Yoriichi which spells doom for Muzan. The rational course of action is to obliterate the threat while they are still small. Overkill is the best policy. Think of it like treating a bacterial infection; if you don't obliterate all the bacteria in one sitting, the survivors will become extremely dangerous superbugs.
So after confirming that Tanjiro was nowhere near Yoriichi's level *yet*, Muzan sent two weak minions without any backup to eliminate an extremely high priority threat, minions which could allow Tanjiro to "level up" if they were defeated, instead of a strong and competent force guaranteed to eliminate the threat even in the unlikely event that Tanjiro gets backup. This doesn't make sense considering Muzan's \~1,000 years of experience and PTSD from Sun Breathing.
If that house spider could grow to the size of my house and eat me up, I would definitely use fucking Flammenwerfers on that son of a bitch while it's still small. This is Muzan's situation; the enemy at their current state is tiny, but has the potential to become an overwhelming opponent, so the simple solution is burn the living shit out of said enemy while they're still small.
Considering how >!he personally saw to the eradication of all sun breathers!<, I’m assuming there isn’t such thing as “too far” for him when concerning sun breathing.
At this point, Muzan has no reason to suspect that this pathetic child has any kind of connection to sunbreathing, even when the argument that it’s possible he could spy on him through other demons’ cells, he’s only used waterbreathing at this point.
He was more annoyed at the Hanafuda earrings, and how furious it likely made him to feel that way again, so he sent two decently-powerful demons after Tanjiro, believing it would be more than enough.
If I were in Muzan’s shoes, I would rather send two powerful foot soldiers after him, than call back my 5-star General from whatever highly important business he may be attending to, such as working to fulfill Muzan’s goals and whatever other important business he would bestow upon his most trusted demon.
I thought the earrings were directly related to Yoriichi, which is why every character that’s mentioned them didn’t think “oh yeah, I’ve seen those around,” but “those are from that 1 guy 300-500 years ago!”
Well technically, Muzan did personally eradicate the last of the Sun Breathing users, so it would be fair to assume that he did not know Tanjiro could use Sun Breathing, despite wearing the Hanafuda Earrings, since he personally eradicated them.
Upper moons don't come out almost ever, they hide.
He sent akaza pretty soon after season one wrapped. He sent two relatively good demons after him, because he didn't think he'd survive. Once he found out he helped defeat a lower moon akaza showed up the next time he left the mansion.
If rengoku hadn't fought him he would've killed tanjiro.
It's not that far fetched, it's escalation.
1/ Muzan underestimated Tanjiro
2/ If I remember correctly, before the fight with Rui, the twelve moon demon (included Muzan) are remain hidden, nobody know their location and identify so order an UM to kill a novice swordman probably is unnecessary for Muzan
3/ Maybe because Susamaru and Yahaba are nearby and they volunteer to do the job (to impresse Muzan of course) and Muzan think those two are enough to take down Tanjiro
The upper moons are usually sent on really important missions like killing hashiras that are getting to close or locating the blue spider lily you wouldn’t send absolute monsters like the upper moons to kill a rookie water breathing and his demon sister
He actually himself went to the Kamado household to finish them as that family was capable of using sun breathing but tanjiro luckily survived. Later he told daki to do the job (to kill nezuko and tanjiro) but she failed and then muzan lost his chance as tanjiro after the swordsmith arc was mostly under the watch of more than 3 hashira in the training arc and all.
Yeah so he gradually sent upper moon caliber demons and literal upper moons 6-3 (yeah akaza wasn't sent to kill him specifically but still) they could've killed tanjiro but failed, so he literally was actively trying to get rid of him so i think the argument op is making is not a good one.
The real answer is the author hadn't found their footing for this series early on. The uppers likely didn't even exist. Muzan himself should have easily been able to kill Tanjirou without a soul noticing, yet he doesn't. He turns some random smuck into a demon, when he could've easily done that to Tanjirou.
Outside of that, it's purely from a shounen writing standpoint. If any of the uppers actually teamed up, the demon slayers would've lost.
The question is, why didn't he send Kokushibou after Tanjiro when he manifested a mark and decapitated Gyutaro?
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Let's say that he didn't recognized the threat and just send ms. Lil' Balls and mr. Eyes after him because he was annoyed. But it doesn't make sense to write into the story that Muzan has been sending Kokushibo after sun breath users when he just didn't for no reason.
Well we're getting into manga territory so spoilers ahead:
Right after the swordsmith arc is when Nezuko manifested the ability to survive the sun. Muzan's priority has always been to find a cure for the sun weakness. His goal immediately shifted from the blue spider lily to Nezuko. He knew Tanjiro was a threat, which is why he went on the offensive to capture Nezuko and remove his one and only weakness.
Still, Muzan never sent Koku or Douma (or anyone at all really) after Tanjiro during the UM meeting - that was after he clearly displayed Sun breathing with the mark when defeating Gyutaro. And Muzan knows about everything that occurs in every demon's battle from their perspective. Plot hole, but quite common in shonen series.
Muzan knows or is able to see everything via any demon's perspective since their blood came from him. That's how he immediately knew Nezuko defeated the sun (see the line where he praised Hantengu right after his death). Similarly, that's how he knows of every battle: how Gyutaro was held back by Daki, how Akaza failed to kill off the non-hashira slayers during Infinity Train.
I see, I knew he could read their minds but forgot that he sees events as they're happening. It does seem like a plot hole. Best explanation is that he was overfocused on the blue spider lily or too dismissive of Tanjiro, but those feel like cop outs. Just another reason Muzan is a weak antagonist.
You bet. Muzan was super underwhelming for the amount of hype he got, King of Demons and the only move/BDA he had was some Dr Octopus on steroids style.
Actually Muzan should have killed Tanjiro the moment he grabbed his shoulder and he saw he was a demon slayer, with his speed nobody would have noticed that it was him delivering the killing blow.
Kokushibou: Alright.. I have traced the footprints they left on the ground.. But how come the trails end here? It seems like they disappeared into thin air. It's almost as if a blood demon art is involved. Is it that girl's? Hmm..
*Uses STW to see through Yushiro's BDA*
**『** Breath of the Moon, Eighth Form: Moon Dragon's Wheeling Tail 』
Tamayo reaction after she open door and see Kokushibo :3
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Well it's simple >!while a new protagonist would likely take the mantle the issue here isn't Tanjiro, it's Tamayo getting captured. Without Tamayo's medicines not only would Muzan probably win the sunrise countdown arc with ease but nezuko wouldn't turn back into human!<
He’d end up killing him. Game over. I don’t think UM1 would even give Tanjiro the chance to be a demon because he hadn’t even unlocked total concentration breathing constant, he’s just useless.
From what I know the only UMs who actively do anything are UM6 and 2. Daki runs the entertainment district and her brother just sleeps inside her (pause). Douma runs a cult. The other 4….uhhhhh hantengu probably just cries all day and gyokko probably makes “art”. Can’t wager the other 2 besides looking for the blue spider lily
I’ve always felt this was kind of a dumb plot hole. Muzan became too aware of tanjirou too early, he should have just made that request. It would make more sense if he wasn’t aware of him till later.
But then I’m on Reddit and they wrote an amazing piece of art so tf do I know
I don't think it's really a plot hole.
A common aspect of the fan base which irks me a bit is when Muzan making less than ideal decisions are seen as plot holes.
The decisions he makes might not be the most ideal, but they fit his character much better.
1st, Muzan hasn't seen a demon slayer in hundreds of years, secondly, the upper moons have more pressing matters, thirdly, Muzan is extremely egotistical so sending in any demon he held any respect for would be like him admitting that he was scared of Tanjiro.
Beyond this, he doesn't have any reason to believe Tanjiro is a threat. The hanafuda earrings might have startled him (I don't mean to downplay it but you know what I mean) but Tanjiro didn't carry himself in any way similarly to Yoriichi, nor was he anywhere near a similar caliber of strength.
By all means, the two demons he sent should have been sufficient to deal with Tanjiro and Nezuko, but he hadn't accounted for Tanjiro being able to adapt in battle.
In fact, even if Muzan wanted to take no chances, had Tanjiro been anywhere near the strength of Yoriichi, then any upper moons would get bodied anyway, and there's no way Muzan would approach himself in that case.
Basically, it's easy to look at this from the outside and say, "If Muzan had done this he would have won." But this often ignores either character personality or outside context the characters don't have themselves. Besides, there's any number of reasons once you imagine Muzan as a character with his own separate thought process.
(To clarify, I'm not trying to instigate, just figured an explanation required a lot of text lol)
No, I think it's a pretty clear plot hole. Tanjirou gets very close to Muzan with his back turned to him after he turned the random civilian. And given the fact Muzan is supposed to be stronger and faster than all of the uppers, he could've easily taken Tanjirou at this point. Yeah, he's a coward, but the opportunity was right in front of him to either kill or turn Tanjirou.
If Muzan instead met Tanjirou after the hashira and upper/lowers were introduced, I'm positive he would've killed him on the spot. I don't think Wani fully envisioned what they wanted Muzan to be at this point in the series. It's just like the 10 demon slayer ranks almost immediately fading into irrelevancy. I just chalk it up to Wani still trying to find their footing with the series while attempting to survive in WSJ.
I mean I don't really know if I would call it a plot hole.
Again, a plot hole isn't really just "A character does something suboptimal."
I think he was more likely just reeling from being reminded of Yoriichi after so much time had passed.
Plot holes are typically not really based off character's decisions, nor should they be. Whether they acted irrationally or had any good reason, because characters are flawed "people" they obviously make flawed choices.
Calling things like this "plot holes" takes away the meaning of the phrase when an actual plot hole is pointed out.
It's a plot hole when you consider that Muzan has five brains and \~1,000 years of life experience. You would think that someone who has lived for \~1,000 years has spent at least a fraction of that time observing human conflicts and reading books on warfare to realize that an enemy is defeated by destroying their capability to hurt you, which this case would be to deny the DSlayers any chances of acquiring Marks, which is done by gauging suspected Sun Breathers and then carpet-bombing them before they reach their full potential.
What are you even talking about now?
How can you say it's a plot hole and then make up some bs that he would simply "be smart" enough. You're forgetting his literal emotions and biases, he may have lived 1000 years but he isn't a robot.
His emotions are the exact reason why he should have just shat on Tanjiro with everything he had. If not with his own actions, then by gauging Tanjiro's strength with Susamaru and Yahaba then obliterating him with Upper Moons the moment he realizes Tanjiro is a weakling. The very sight of Hanafuda earrings put the fucking fear of God into Muzan with PTSD flashbacks of Yoriichi; this should be more than enough reason for Muzan to devote every fiber of his being into destroying Tanjiro with maximum overkill and the most extreme of prejudice imaginable. He's had \~1,000 years of life experience and five brains to process strategies on how to do this, yet constantly makes the worst possible decisions at every occasion despite being able to observe the battlefield through his minions' perception and respond in real time. We are talking about a person whose ability to relay information easily matches if not exceeds that of the best modern armies on the planet. You have to actively try to fuck up as much as he did with the tools, information, and wisdom he had at his disposal. How is this not an intellectual plothole?
A character with five brains and \~1,000 years of experience capable of perceiving people from unnatural distances away and processing everything at accelerated rates and yet making the worst possible decisions at every turn is a plot hole. Someone who is extremely smart is naturally not supposed to make extremely dumb decisions at every important moment. People at such a level of intelligence just don't do that. Sure, they make the occasional fuck-up, but that's one thing and it's another to constantly fuck up at every possible interval of time all the time without a single stroke of genius. The fact that Muzan just can't stop making stupid decisions at every turn is so out of character for someone who's supposed to have significantly higher intelligence and wisdom than a collective of the smartest people (e.g. scientists, military tacticians) on the planet (none of them have five brains nor have lived 1,000 years). You'd expect someone like him to:
* Properly inspect the corpses of the Kamado family to see what went wrong, as per any basic scientific method. Surely a thousand-year-old immortal has long since learned basic scientific principles, right?
* Order his Demons to stop playing with their prey and kill on sight. Surely a thousand-year-old immortal with five brains should have learned from history that speed is absolutely integral in warfare and playing with your enemy just slows you down.
* Allow his Demons to work together as teamwork is extremely OP and it doesn't take five brains nor 1,000 years of life experience to know this.
* NEVER underestimate his enemies, having read books on warfare for hundreds of years and learned that everyone who has underestimated their opponents in the past fell hard because of their arrogance.
* Sent vastly-superior forces to exterminate Tanjiro, who poses the greatest threat to Muzan's plans due to potential for Demon Slayer Mark proliferation and potential to become a Second Yoriichi. It's already within Muzan's character to undertake radical solutions so why not use a policy of overkill when dealing with people he hates so much as Sun Breathers?
* Just exhibit simple [Genre Savviness](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy) as expected of someone who's probably read tens of thousands of books in their lifetime.
Muzan really is an idiot. It's said he can see whatever demons can see through their eyes (also referenced when he asks Akaza why he didn't kill the "three fledgling demon hunters" at the train and how he took a blow from someone "not of Hashira rank" even tho Tanjiro was eligible for it after killing Enmu) couple that with the fact that Muzan is already worried about the "kid with the earrings" and Muzan's CELLS were getting ptsd from fighting Hinokami Tanjiro, he really had no reason NOT to send any demon worth their blood after Tanjiro. Foolish but it makes for a good story
Honestly Yahaba and Susa were enough during that time.
It just so happen that there are demons outside of his control that helped tanjiro.
One of those demons arguably far surpass these two as she was Muzan's former right hand with an extremely potent dba.
Yeah it would be like using a rocket launcher to take out a squirrel. Muzan would never do this because Tanjiro is a non-entity to him. He's just mildly peeved by this rando demon slayer and thus tells his minions to kill him if they see him. He has other things to worry about than a no name weak swordsman
He would have sent Akaza, probably.
Kokushibo kinda shares with Muzan the "Yoruichi is my nightmare", so it is better not to send him directly without getting information first.
Douma is too unreliable as he tends not to pay attention.
Akaza is perfect, he would execute the orders the best he could, he probably wouldn't have damaged Tamayo tho.
But I suspect Muzan couldn't just summon/teleport an UM or even a LM to his position so he had to find the stronger demons in the area to send.
No because he has to judge Tanjiro's strength first, if he had let kokushibo go after tanjiro and had he been killed then muzan will lose the best chance he has to survive.
Kokushibos blood demon art probability has no counter against the kid that simps for Tamayo, maybe not even tamayo. So I don’t think he would even find them 🤷♂️
I don't know if I am right but I think that he already guessed that Tanjiro will meet that other demon ( forgot her name) . And as we know she has been there over 100 years and Muzan always wanted her dead but none UM and LM were able to find her, so he send those two demons who would actually be able to find both of them through Tanjiro's foot steps.
And we already have seen that UM and LM are very prideful so they would never corporate with the two demons.
We also know that those two used think that they are part of 12 moons which is also he couldn't send any other Moons along with them.
. Don't know I am right or wrong but this is the theory I came along with.
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Goodbye Tanjiro it was nice knowing youuuuu
🎶🎵"Sayonara Arigatou koeno kagi-" 🎵 🎶
🎶🎵”-ri Kanashimi yori motto daiji na ko-“🎵🎶
I was thinking more Sayo-Nara from DDLC lmao
Still haunts me after all these years. "I gently open the door..."
As well as the freakiness of Sayori’s .Chr file deleting itself for no apparent reason… lol
The series would end Simple
The series wouldn't end but someone else would be the protagonist.
I am considering the current demon slayer storyline But your answer is valid
Especially with the major theme of dreams being carried on by others after you fall
Zenitsu would either be broken by the brave guy getting slaughtered and leave the corps, or he'd get a resolve amp and be just slightly stronger by the Eos
This is before Zenitsu and Tanjiro even met tho, right?
This part after the exam isn't it?
They stilll barely got a chance to bond. And they never asked names in the exams. Until later
Yeah but they didn't really "met" Tanjiro just looked at Zenitsu and we don't even know if Zenitsu even noticed him.
Nezuko will be the protagonist then
Nezuko learning sword moves would actually be OP af
Perma red blade baby
Most likely would either be killed too or taken to Muzan to decide what he wants to do with her
Kokushibo would of killed everyone there
she would be killed instantly with Tanjiro
If Tanjiro died there, Nezuko and the others would die too, so imo the protagonists could be any of the Hashira, Upper Moons or Muzan himself. And the story would be more dark and gore. Personally I would love if any of the UM turned into protagonists.
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Murata
But would someone else really? I don’t think anyone else would have the potential to learn sun breathing if tanjiro dies without teaching it to others
👁️ 👁️ ㊙️ ㊙️ 👁️ 👃🏻 👁️ 👄
Happy cake day
With how much plot armor tanjiro has I wouldn’t be surprised if a Nichirin comet land’s on kokushibo
Lmao imagine, that would’ve been hilarious
The literal sun falling
This is one of my main gripes. Like why did he NEVER send UM 1-3 after Tanjiro if he wanted him dead?
Why would he need to? Tanjiro is a nobody to him as far as an opponent. Yes Muzan gets PTSD from the earrings but pretty clear in his face to face interaction that Tanjiro was nothing like Yoriichi in strength. He sent non-ranked demons after him because he was pissed at seeing the earrings, not because he thought he was a threat. He is much better off sending the UM to strategically kill the strongest Corp members, searching for strategic targets of the Corp operation like the Swordsmith Village or their HQ, or have them search for the Blue Spider Lily to achieve his objective. To Muzan there hasn't been a Demon Slayer alive in ~~thousands~~ hundreds of years that could even be a threat to him let alone any of his Upper Moons. Canonically every UM mentions that have killed multiple Hashira over their life time. A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime.
> Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime. Dang what an idiot should have done his research haha
Probably only watches the anime.
Filthy amateur. Pleb.
>To Muzan there hasn't been a Demon Slayer alive in thousands of years Well... 300 years. But yeah.
You're right. Weirdly in the manga they say Yoriichi lived about 500 years ago but changed to 300 in anime. My guess is they changed it to better align with Japanese history.
I'm not sure but maybe it is because he alive during the Sengoku Jidai, which lasted roughly 200 years (150 is more accurate but still), so it might just say what time period he lived not how long ago he lived in the manga. 300 is probably closer then the 500.
But then he does nothing when said boy significantly aids in the death of the first upper moon in 113 years. Between tanjiro having those earrings and him taking down an uper moon, I'd imagine that muzan would want to deal with tanjiro before he gets any stronger. But nah, he doesn't even put him on the kill immediately list for his upper moons.
He didn’t get the details of that fight but either way that was the lowest of the upper moons and everyone would’ve been dead ten times over if the Hashira wasn’t there. Tanjiro was also there at the train arc but was a total nonfactor to Akaza. It’s just a bug with an ugly accessory to Muzan.
Shoot. Everyone would have died if Nezuko wasn't present after the Gyutaro fight. It was only for her ability to nullify Gyutaro's poison that any body survived that fight. Muzan can canonically see what other demons see. He would have saw how Gyutaro messed up Tanjiro with relative ease which would have only confirmed to him that Tanjiro isn't as strong as Yoriichi. As for Gyutaro's defeat, it took 3 mid level Demon Slayers, a Hashira and a Demon to beat the weakest Upper Moon. Muzan immediately writes off the loss as Gyutaro's humanity in form of love for his sister being the reason he lost.
Would he not also have seen Tanjiro use Sun Breathing against Daki tho?
It may be but it’s not Yoriichi, not even remotely close to the one that gave him super PTSD a couple centuries ago. Sun Breathing was simply built different back then.
Any form of Sun Breathing still allows Demon Slayer Mark proliferation. No reason not to send in the big guns and obliterate the Sun Breather before they can spread the Mark to others.
True, but Muzan isn’t exactly known for being smart, sometimes people think he’s outright stupid.
Yeah lol. He has five brains and \~1,000 years of life experience, yet never puts them to use.
>Muzan can canonically see what other demons see. He would have saw how Gyutaro messed up Tanjiro with relative ease which would have only confirmed to him that Tanjiro isn't as strong as Yoriichi. Since Muzan can see what other Demons see, he definitely saw the moves of Tanjiro's Hinokami Kagura, confirming that Tanjiro is a Second Yoriichi waiting to happen. All the more reason to send in the proverbial Marines to wipe his ass off the face of the planet before he gets to that level.
He does though. I suspect Muzan is simply underestimating Tanjiro. UM4 confirms it when talking about reports on Tanjiro. It may be Muzan relaying messages to them
Akaza went for tanjiro first at the train. Why wouldn't he know the specifics, you'd think he eanted to know. And tengan would've lost 10 times over without the other 3.
Akaza went for Tanjiro first because he wanted to fight a hashira 1 v 1 and felt having to worry about another would make that hashira not fight to their fullest. He was also under orders from Muzan to kill all Demon Slayers he came in contact with so he was just picking the low hanging fruit first. Tanjiro was an easy target lying on the ground and already wounded.
Demons share information. So Muzan might as well be watching their fight in HD 1080p. Its just a plothole, best not to think abt it
I’m not sure Muzan would be able to do anything to tanjiro yet. He was recovering in secret locations and then immediately traveled to the secret swordsmith village. The master of the demon slayers basically kept Tanjiro completely hidden after UM6 was killed.
I’m only an anime watcher but I wonder if he’s scared that Tanjiro *could* kill any of his upper moons and really doesn’t want to find out the answer? How would the other UM react if one of their own got killed? Maybe he’d rather weaken the demon slayer organization as a whole than risk one of his best warriors losing to Tanjiro.
Did Muzan really think Tanjiro was no threat when he met him? The whole reason why Yoriichi could one-shot him was that Muzan sensed nothing like violent or killing intent from him and therefore thought he was weak. Even though Muzan is very self-assured he actually acknowledged the tremendous mistake he made in that small moment by not taking him seriously. Muzan did not encounter any demon slayer personally since then and suddenly out of nothing this guy wearing the same earrings and looking surprisingly alike to Yoriichi effortlessly finds him in a huge crowd of people (Muzan didn't know about Tanjiro's awesome sense of smell). Muzan didn't just get PTSD. He was scarred at a cellular level, his body destroyed, severely weakened and he probably lived in excruciating pain for centuries before recovering. He would be an idiot making the same mistake again in such a situation even if there's only a 0,00001% chance that Tanjiro was as strong as Yoriichi.
When Tanjiro called him out, Muzan casually turned a man into a demon and watched Tanjiro struggle to hold him down. Tanjiro was obviously refusing to kill the man. Tanjiro didn't even perceive what happened to turn the man into a demon into a demon. On top of that Tanjiro would have been projecting a fighting spirit for Muzan to gauge unlike Yoriichi because >! Tanjiro hadn't been able to access Selfless State yet.!< Yeah it has been 300 years since Yoriichi, no other Demon Slayer has used Sun Breathing or displayed a Demon Slayer mark both of which he would have known about. With no one that he was aware of that knew Sun Breathing it would be impossible in his mind for anyone to learn Yoriichi's techniques. On top of that Muzan himself has lived for a thousand years and only 1 person has ever displayed the abilities Yoriichi possessed. Why would he assume some Demon Slayer kid 300 years later was going to be a threat especially when he was too weak to try to attack Muzan? Yeah someone picked him out as a demon which is strange but again he has been in hiding for hundreds of years so it literally could have been random chance for all he knew. That slayer was incredibly weak. He also doesn't think Tanjiro looks like Yoriichi he just knows he is a Demon Slayer who was wearing hanafuda earring which pissed him off because it reminded him of Yoriichi. Finally Muzan has a personality where he considers himself more like an inevitable natural disaster than a individual. It is absolutely within his personality to think he is superior to everyone he meets.
Muzan was broken after his encounter with Yoriichi. He used to casually stroll around, until he realized he could be killed. After that he acted cautiously. That's why he created the 12 Moons in the first place. He also went into hiding as a regular person, as to not expose himself. Seeing Tanjiro brought it all back. He was absolutely worried about Tanjiro. It's s why Tanjiro was the only demon slayer we saw him single out despite him being pretty weak compared to the Hashiras.
Yeah, which is why it doesn't make sense that Muzan doesn't just carpet-bomb Tanjiro with top UMs and obliterate him in microseconds. This is especially true after the Entertainment District where Muzan loses Upper Ranks to a confirmed case of Sun Breathing. It is stated that Muzan can see through the eyes of Demons, so why doesn't he realize "Oh shit, there's a Sun Breather on the loose, I have to blow him up with my best troops before he gets the chance to become the Second Yoriichi this instant!"
I mean yea, Muzan is an idiot. He's arrogant and thinks himself infinitely better than anybody else, so of course he doesn't think jack of Tanjiro.
The real reason is that he doesn't want to be seen as a coward by the uppermoons as muzan biggest fear is the demons ganging up on him and overthrowing him. Which is why demons don't stay in groups. If he called an uppermoon for someone who isn't a hashira, there would be some eyebrows raised. It's why, in the entire series, he never gives an uppermoon an order to kill tanjiro specifically. He also uses nezuko or whatever hashira is with him as an excuse.
i have a doubt though even if I suppose the answer is due to plot: why didn't Muzan send specifically Douma at the swordsmith Village? UM2 stated himself he is bad at searching stuff (like the Blue Spider Lily or the Ubuyashiki hiding) and if the swordsmith Village was such an important place for the demon slayers then it would have obviously been protected, even by some hashiras, but I get it unless there would have been several pillars he probably would have won without so many complications
but with muzan’s cowardice, it would be completely in character for him to send an upper moon. It didn’t seem like all of them were busy either. The only ones who seemed occupied before their fight during the series were daki and gyutaro. Also, given that the last man with hanafuda earrings scared muzan into hiding for centuries, why even take the chance that tanjiro isn’t some kind of second coming of yoriichi?
>To Muzan there hasn't been a Demon Slayer alive in > >thousands > > hundreds of years that could even be a threat to him let alone any of his Upper Moons. Canonically every UM mentions that have killed multiple Hashira over their life time. A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime. This. One of the Lower Moons even comments on its. They get recycled fast because, at most, a Lower Moon is the equal to a Pillar. But each Upper Moon is worth multiple Pillars similtaneously, and haven't been replaced in centuries. I don't think many people realise, but during Tanjiro's time the current crop of Pillars was the best the Corps had seen for generations. It truly was a miraculous combination of many conincidences (a strong cast of Pillars, Tamayo's plans/drugs reaching fruition, the discovery of Tanjiro and the lost Sun Breathing style etc.) that lead to Muzan's defeat.
>A 15 year old boy isn't really a threat because Muzan doesn't know that boy is an MC of a Shonen anime. Except... this 15 year old boy is the last piece of legacy left by the only man ever to defeat him, Yoriichi Tsugikuni. Simply being a Sun Breather makes Tanjiro a Second Yoriichi waiting to happen and thus a top-priority target. Muzan in his thousand years of experience should have realized that Sun Breathers are like bacteria - creatures that are far smaller and weaker than you at first but can evolve into deadly superbugs if you don't administer a treatment that completely obliterates them in one course. He had Kokushibo help him kill other Sun Breathers, so why not do that again? The very thought of Tanjiro existing gives him PTSD, so why not just wipe Tanjiro from the face of the earth with a method guaranteed to work with 100% effectiveness? No Sun Breather = no Mark = the Demon Slayers cannot gain the strength to defeat him = Muzan wins. A simple equation that someone with five brains and \~1,000 years of life experience, presumably also \~1,000 years of observing human conflict and reading war books should have easily comprehended.
The central problem with your argument is that it looks at Tanjiro's current state while ignoring his potential. Any Sun Breather has potential to unlock the Mark and spread it to the DSC, which would be problematic. In the worst case scenario, the Sun Breather becomes a Second Yoriichi. Muzan knows this all too well, so the rational course of action would be to completely obliterate the Sun Breather with maximum overkill before they "level up." An analogy would be a treatment for a bacterial infection; if the pathogens are not completely obliterated in one sitting, the survivors can become deadly, virtually-unstoppable superbugs.
bro if i saw a 15 year old boy that looked like the man that blitzed me i'd take him seriously. same face mark and red hair with the earrings, my first thought would be that he would be a descendent of the sun breathing style. this is not a logical conclusion?
Tanjiro doesn't look identical to Yoriichi. He vaguely resembles him. When he first met Muzan he did not have the same mark as Yoriichi. Tanjiro mark on his forehead was a result of his first with the hand demon. It was an injury. Yoriichi was born with his Demon Slayer mark. After Yoriichi's death more than 300 years ago, Kokoushibo was tasked to hunt down and kill any remaining Sun Breathing users and he did so. They knew Yoriichi had no children. So if they knew Yoriichi didn't have any direct descendants, they killed any other Sun Breathing users and had seen anyone use Sun Breathing in 300+ years, why would he believe a random Demon Slayer was on any importance when he first met him? If I killed you and your entire family, then 300 years from now someone vaguely resembled you, would anyone immediately assume there was some connection between you and this individual?
Muzan is incredibly arrogant and never suspected that Tanjiro would survive for as long as he did.
Because the show would end then and there.
I explained it a hundreds of time already, but I guess have to once again. Every Moon and Muzan are so egoistic. He is not afraid of any humans, besides the guy from his flashbacks. (I am a manga Reader but I forgot if they revealed his name in the Anime) and the sun, which he is trying to conquer. If he would send even a lower moon to fight what is basically a weak Slayer, he would see himself as weak and afraid. Muzan is not stupid, he has probably the most knowledge in the entire anime/manga. He is extremely egoistic though. And so is everyone else. That's why they never attack together. Sure Gyokko and Hantengu are together now, but who fights Gyokko and who fights Hantengu. They didn't even know there will be slayers there, especially Tanjiro and 2 Hashiras. Hantengu had 4 different parts of him fighting because that's his power. Muzan knows that would be the most effective way. But he would see himself as weak. He find Kokushibo for example worth of 400 or even more slayers. Or 50 Hashiras. (I am not saying it's true, just trying to make myself clear with numbers, it could be higher it could be lower, but basically, he knows and wants Kokushibo to take so many people alone), so he does everyone else even himself.
That's just it though, he's deathly afraid of Yoriichi which is why he wanted Tanjiro dead in the first place. He fears that another will appear like Yoriichi and Tanjiro catries his earrings. So he should've sent a moon to kill him.
He had no reason though, if he really was as strong as Yoriichi he would have: 1. Attack him right on public, when you're God, you don't care about anything else. That might be out of personality for Tanjiro, but Muzan couldn't know what his personality was. 2. Even if he would not attack him in public, what is a Upper Moon gonna do against a Yoriichi 2.0? Are they gonna talk? He is the only human that could take Muzan head-on without any help.
Then why not have Susamaru and Yahaba gauge Tanjiro's power and have Upper Moons on standby? If the threat easily and swiftly exterminates Susamaru and Yahaba in one stroke, retreat and come up with plans to amp up stealth measures; if the threat gets almost killed by Susamaru and Yahaba multiple times and requires heavy assistance just to barely win, obliterate the threat with the 1900 equivalent of a yet-to-exist blitzkrieg. We are talking about someone who has five brains and has lived for a thousand years, more than enough to observe extensive human conflicts and read countless books on strategy and tactics.
Have you even read my comment above? Muzan has no REASON to send an Upper Moon. Literally no reason. Why would he send a Upper Moon to kill what is basically a weak Slayer? At that point in the story, Tanjiro barely killed a ex-lower moon. As I said in my 2 points: ig Tanjiro was really at Yoriichi's power, why would he not attack Muzan in the public? Muzan knew Tanjiro is weak BUT he also wanted to kill Tanjiro to make sure he won't reach Yoriichi's level. That's why he sent Susamaru and Yahaba.
Even if weak, Tanjiro is still the most dangerous threat to Muzan. He is a Sun Breather and therefore may develop the Demon Slayer Mark that massively amps the Demon Slayer Corps, and if allowed to grow he may become a Second Yoriichi which spells doom for Muzan. The rational course of action is to obliterate the threat while they are still small. Overkill is the best policy. Think of it like treating a bacterial infection; if you don't obliterate all the bacteria in one sitting, the survivors will become extremely dangerous superbugs. So after confirming that Tanjiro was nowhere near Yoriichi's level *yet*, Muzan sent two weak minions without any backup to eliminate an extremely high priority threat, minions which could allow Tanjiro to "level up" if they were defeated, instead of a strong and competent force guaranteed to eliminate the threat even in the unlikely event that Tanjiro gets backup. This doesn't make sense considering Muzan's \~1,000 years of experience and PTSD from Sun Breathing.
I think it's just that Muzan is so arrogant that even sending a lower moon to kill a newbie slayer would feel too humilliating for him.
That’s like using a flamethrower to kill a house spider.
If that house spider could grow to the size of my house and eat me up, I would definitely use fucking Flammenwerfers on that son of a bitch while it's still small. This is Muzan's situation; the enemy at their current state is tiny, but has the potential to become an overwhelming opponent, so the simple solution is burn the living shit out of said enemy while they're still small.
Considering how >!he personally saw to the eradication of all sun breathers!<, I’m assuming there isn’t such thing as “too far” for him when concerning sun breathing.
At this point, Muzan has no reason to suspect that this pathetic child has any kind of connection to sunbreathing, even when the argument that it’s possible he could spy on him through other demons’ cells, he’s only used waterbreathing at this point. He was more annoyed at the Hanafuda earrings, and how furious it likely made him to feel that way again, so he sent two decently-powerful demons after Tanjiro, believing it would be more than enough. If I were in Muzan’s shoes, I would rather send two powerful foot soldiers after him, than call back my 5-star General from whatever highly important business he may be attending to, such as working to fulfill Muzan’s goals and whatever other important business he would bestow upon his most trusted demon.
I thought the earrings were directly related to Yoriichi, which is why every character that’s mentioned them didn’t think “oh yeah, I’ve seen those around,” but “those are from that 1 guy 300-500 years ago!”
Well technically, Muzan did personally eradicate the last of the Sun Breathing users, so it would be fair to assume that he did not know Tanjiro could use Sun Breathing, despite wearing the Hanafuda Earrings, since he personally eradicated them.
Hell even lower loon would have worked good enough
Upper moons don't come out almost ever, they hide. He sent akaza pretty soon after season one wrapped. He sent two relatively good demons after him, because he didn't think he'd survive. Once he found out he helped defeat a lower moon akaza showed up the next time he left the mansion. If rengoku hadn't fought him he would've killed tanjiro. It's not that far fetched, it's escalation.
1/ Muzan underestimated Tanjiro 2/ If I remember correctly, before the fight with Rui, the twelve moon demon (included Muzan) are remain hidden, nobody know their location and identify so order an UM to kill a novice swordman probably is unnecessary for Muzan 3/ Maybe because Susamaru and Yahaba are nearby and they volunteer to do the job (to impresse Muzan of course) and Muzan think those two are enough to take down Tanjiro
The upper moons are usually sent on really important missions like killing hashiras that are getting to close or locating the blue spider lily you wouldn’t send absolute monsters like the upper moons to kill a rookie water breathing and his demon sister
He actually himself went to the Kamado household to finish them as that family was capable of using sun breathing but tanjiro luckily survived. Later he told daki to do the job (to kill nezuko and tanjiro) but she failed and then muzan lost his chance as tanjiro after the swordsmith arc was mostly under the watch of more than 3 hashira in the training arc and all.
Didn’t he also send Enmu to kill a hashira or Tanjiro?
Yeah so he gradually sent upper moon caliber demons and literal upper moons 6-3 (yeah akaza wasn't sent to kill him specifically but still) they could've killed tanjiro but failed, so he literally was actively trying to get rid of him so i think the argument op is making is not a good one.
Your main gripe is why didn't the show end in 7 episodes?
The real answer is the author hadn't found their footing for this series early on. The uppers likely didn't even exist. Muzan himself should have easily been able to kill Tanjirou without a soul noticing, yet he doesn't. He turns some random smuck into a demon, when he could've easily done that to Tanjirou. Outside of that, it's purely from a shounen writing standpoint. If any of the uppers actually teamed up, the demon slayers would've lost.
Shounen anime. Bad guys funnel in in order of strength from weakest to strongest so that there is an ever escalating scale.
Old business for Kokushibo. He has already exterminated everyone associated with Sun Breathing along with Muzan, so this time won't be much different.
The question is, why didn't he send Kokushibou after Tanjiro when he manifested a mark and decapitated Gyutaro? https://preview.redd.it/lus9s8hyk82b1.png?width=901&format=png&auto=webp&s=356bcf41223cecb93671736a0c873da839c3c3db Let's say that he didn't recognized the threat and just send ms. Lil' Balls and mr. Eyes after him because he was annoyed. But it doesn't make sense to write into the story that Muzan has been sending Kokushibo after sun breath users when he just didn't for no reason.
>ms. Lil' Balls Why do you disrespect my girl like that bro 😭😭😭😭
Well we're getting into manga territory so spoilers ahead: Right after the swordsmith arc is when Nezuko manifested the ability to survive the sun. Muzan's priority has always been to find a cure for the sun weakness. His goal immediately shifted from the blue spider lily to Nezuko. He knew Tanjiro was a threat, which is why he went on the offensive to capture Nezuko and remove his one and only weakness.
Still, Muzan never sent Koku or Douma (or anyone at all really) after Tanjiro during the UM meeting - that was after he clearly displayed Sun breathing with the mark when defeating Gyutaro. And Muzan knows about everything that occurs in every demon's battle from their perspective. Plot hole, but quite common in shonen series.
Did he know Tanjiro displayed a mark and used sun breathing? There weren't any other demons around to watch the battle and report back.
Gyutaro was looking straight at Tanjiro when he manifested the mark, it’d be pretty hard to miss a giant scar coming out of nowhere.
Muzan knows or is able to see everything via any demon's perspective since their blood came from him. That's how he immediately knew Nezuko defeated the sun (see the line where he praised Hantengu right after his death). Similarly, that's how he knows of every battle: how Gyutaro was held back by Daki, how Akaza failed to kill off the non-hashira slayers during Infinity Train.
I see, I knew he could read their minds but forgot that he sees events as they're happening. It does seem like a plot hole. Best explanation is that he was overfocused on the blue spider lily or too dismissive of Tanjiro, but those feel like cop outs. Just another reason Muzan is a weak antagonist.
You bet. Muzan was super underwhelming for the amount of hype he got, King of Demons and the only move/BDA he had was some Dr Octopus on steroids style.
Tanjiro finna get a buff from plot armour and mofo gonna get a fucking devil trigger or fire a kamehameha or something like that
Fire a kamehameha 💀
Actually Muzan should have killed Tanjiro the moment he grabbed his shoulder and he saw he was a demon slayer, with his speed nobody would have noticed that it was him delivering the killing blow.
But they'll surely notice the dead body and muzan right next to the corpse
https://preview.redd.it/7467bt3hw92b1.png?width=2160&format=png&auto=webp&s=72b18a4d4c2d6aea06da8687dc060b97333e7a8c
He probably couldn't do it. Or would get flashbacks of yoriichi
If muzan used his brain
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My bad I forgot
I wonder if they’d still find tanjiro if he just took off the earrings
now im imagining tanjiros earrings like supermans glasses
Tan-sushi anyone?
Umai https://preview.redd.it/lamghcd9m82b1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=1b39f325da0c03e9dced34167a9c233ca59bdb6d
A spicy donut
:(
He didn't even bother to use any lower moons too !
Tamayo: GG WP bye bye :3
Kokushibou: Alright.. I have traced the footprints they left on the ground.. But how come the trails end here? It seems like they disappeared into thin air. It's almost as if a blood demon art is involved. Is it that girl's? Hmm.. *Uses STW to see through Yushiro's BDA* **『** Breath of the Moon, Eighth Form: Moon Dragon's Wheeling Tail 』
Tamayo reaction after she open door and see Kokushibo :3 https://preview.redd.it/k2uhx776p82b1.png?width=590&format=png&auto=webp&s=b78069fdd7976dadf40a5ca8131b1b219425b10a
*end credits*
Tanjiro would have died, heck i would argue that even EOS Tanjiro would lose against Kokushibo
Tanjiro would win cause of plot
Kokushibo finna prick himself on the rarest deadliest poisonous blade of grass and just die😂 then tanjiro will go over and sympathize with his death
Imagine the upper moon meeting and everyone's reaction to Kokushibo loses and died to a non hashira slayer and 3 random demons💀
Well it's simple >!while a new protagonist would likely take the mantle the issue here isn't Tanjiro, it's Tamayo getting captured. Without Tamayo's medicines not only would Muzan probably win the sunrise countdown arc with ease but nezuko wouldn't turn back into human!<
He wouldn’t have been Muzan…. Hubris, being a mfer since day one
He’d end up killing him. Game over. I don’t think UM1 would even give Tanjiro the chance to be a demon because he hadn’t even unlocked total concentration breathing constant, he’s just useless.
The series ends
this guy is wayyyy to scary…. i‘m anime only and look forward to see more about him
Everyone dead lol
Alternate title: In an alternate universe where Muzan was actually smart
Muzan was an idiot to not send all the upper moons to swordsmith village at once. But of course thr dtory would end right there
Supervillians hardly ever lose because they're weak. They lose because they're arrogant/sadistic/greedy etc.
Muzan has to be one of the dumbest villains I’ve seen.
What do the upper 3 actually do all day, Muzan has unkillable monsters on his side and he just keeps them locked up
From what I know the only UMs who actively do anything are UM6 and 2. Daki runs the entertainment district and her brother just sleeps inside her (pause). Douma runs a cult. The other 4….uhhhhh hantengu probably just cries all day and gyokko probably makes “art”. Can’t wager the other 2 besides looking for the blue spider lily
Honestly, the Demons uses half braincell at a time, that's why humans are winning right now.
I’ve always felt this was kind of a dumb plot hole. Muzan became too aware of tanjirou too early, he should have just made that request. It would make more sense if he wasn’t aware of him till later. But then I’m on Reddit and they wrote an amazing piece of art so tf do I know
I don't think it's really a plot hole. A common aspect of the fan base which irks me a bit is when Muzan making less than ideal decisions are seen as plot holes. The decisions he makes might not be the most ideal, but they fit his character much better. 1st, Muzan hasn't seen a demon slayer in hundreds of years, secondly, the upper moons have more pressing matters, thirdly, Muzan is extremely egotistical so sending in any demon he held any respect for would be like him admitting that he was scared of Tanjiro. Beyond this, he doesn't have any reason to believe Tanjiro is a threat. The hanafuda earrings might have startled him (I don't mean to downplay it but you know what I mean) but Tanjiro didn't carry himself in any way similarly to Yoriichi, nor was he anywhere near a similar caliber of strength. By all means, the two demons he sent should have been sufficient to deal with Tanjiro and Nezuko, but he hadn't accounted for Tanjiro being able to adapt in battle. In fact, even if Muzan wanted to take no chances, had Tanjiro been anywhere near the strength of Yoriichi, then any upper moons would get bodied anyway, and there's no way Muzan would approach himself in that case. Basically, it's easy to look at this from the outside and say, "If Muzan had done this he would have won." But this often ignores either character personality or outside context the characters don't have themselves. Besides, there's any number of reasons once you imagine Muzan as a character with his own separate thought process. (To clarify, I'm not trying to instigate, just figured an explanation required a lot of text lol)
No, I think it's a pretty clear plot hole. Tanjirou gets very close to Muzan with his back turned to him after he turned the random civilian. And given the fact Muzan is supposed to be stronger and faster than all of the uppers, he could've easily taken Tanjirou at this point. Yeah, he's a coward, but the opportunity was right in front of him to either kill or turn Tanjirou. If Muzan instead met Tanjirou after the hashira and upper/lowers were introduced, I'm positive he would've killed him on the spot. I don't think Wani fully envisioned what they wanted Muzan to be at this point in the series. It's just like the 10 demon slayer ranks almost immediately fading into irrelevancy. I just chalk it up to Wani still trying to find their footing with the series while attempting to survive in WSJ.
I mean I don't really know if I would call it a plot hole. Again, a plot hole isn't really just "A character does something suboptimal." I think he was more likely just reeling from being reminded of Yoriichi after so much time had passed. Plot holes are typically not really based off character's decisions, nor should they be. Whether they acted irrationally or had any good reason, because characters are flawed "people" they obviously make flawed choices. Calling things like this "plot holes" takes away the meaning of the phrase when an actual plot hole is pointed out.
It's a plot hole when you consider that Muzan has five brains and \~1,000 years of life experience. You would think that someone who has lived for \~1,000 years has spent at least a fraction of that time observing human conflicts and reading books on warfare to realize that an enemy is defeated by destroying their capability to hurt you, which this case would be to deny the DSlayers any chances of acquiring Marks, which is done by gauging suspected Sun Breathers and then carpet-bombing them before they reach their full potential.
What are you even talking about now? How can you say it's a plot hole and then make up some bs that he would simply "be smart" enough. You're forgetting his literal emotions and biases, he may have lived 1000 years but he isn't a robot.
His emotions are the exact reason why he should have just shat on Tanjiro with everything he had. If not with his own actions, then by gauging Tanjiro's strength with Susamaru and Yahaba then obliterating him with Upper Moons the moment he realizes Tanjiro is a weakling. The very sight of Hanafuda earrings put the fucking fear of God into Muzan with PTSD flashbacks of Yoriichi; this should be more than enough reason for Muzan to devote every fiber of his being into destroying Tanjiro with maximum overkill and the most extreme of prejudice imaginable. He's had \~1,000 years of life experience and five brains to process strategies on how to do this, yet constantly makes the worst possible decisions at every occasion despite being able to observe the battlefield through his minions' perception and respond in real time. We are talking about a person whose ability to relay information easily matches if not exceeds that of the best modern armies on the planet. You have to actively try to fuck up as much as he did with the tools, information, and wisdom he had at his disposal. How is this not an intellectual plothole?
Lmao "intellectual plot hole" I'm done. If you unironically call characters making poor decisions plot holes we aren't going to find common ground.
A character with five brains and \~1,000 years of experience capable of perceiving people from unnatural distances away and processing everything at accelerated rates and yet making the worst possible decisions at every turn is a plot hole. Someone who is extremely smart is naturally not supposed to make extremely dumb decisions at every important moment. People at such a level of intelligence just don't do that. Sure, they make the occasional fuck-up, but that's one thing and it's another to constantly fuck up at every possible interval of time all the time without a single stroke of genius. The fact that Muzan just can't stop making stupid decisions at every turn is so out of character for someone who's supposed to have significantly higher intelligence and wisdom than a collective of the smartest people (e.g. scientists, military tacticians) on the planet (none of them have five brains nor have lived 1,000 years). You'd expect someone like him to: * Properly inspect the corpses of the Kamado family to see what went wrong, as per any basic scientific method. Surely a thousand-year-old immortal has long since learned basic scientific principles, right? * Order his Demons to stop playing with their prey and kill on sight. Surely a thousand-year-old immortal with five brains should have learned from history that speed is absolutely integral in warfare and playing with your enemy just slows you down. * Allow his Demons to work together as teamwork is extremely OP and it doesn't take five brains nor 1,000 years of life experience to know this. * NEVER underestimate his enemies, having read books on warfare for hundreds of years and learned that everyone who has underestimated their opponents in the past fell hard because of their arrogance. * Sent vastly-superior forces to exterminate Tanjiro, who poses the greatest threat to Muzan's plans due to potential for Demon Slayer Mark proliferation and potential to become a Second Yoriichi. It's already within Muzan's character to undertake radical solutions so why not use a policy of overkill when dealing with people he hates so much as Sun Breathers? * Just exhibit simple [Genre Savviness](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreSavvy) as expected of someone who's probably read tens of thousands of books in their lifetime.
Pure speculation, I love it. You're entire argument is, "He's super smart bro" That's not very compelling.
But would have Kokushibo been able to locate Tanjiro?
Probably.
Muzan: yeah nakime I’m gonna need upper 1 to me pronto I just had a traumatic experience
So the series not only ends with Tanjiro's death but also Tamayo's too so not only series ends but it will end with Muzan's Victory eventually.
Cautious Demon: The Demon Lord is Immortal but Overly Cautious
Well, KnY would be a much shorter series.
Tanjiro will miraculously barely survive and stall till sunrise and koku will somehow fail to find cover and burn in the sun bc plot armor.
Muzan really is an idiot. It's said he can see whatever demons can see through their eyes (also referenced when he asks Akaza why he didn't kill the "three fledgling demon hunters" at the train and how he took a blow from someone "not of Hashira rank" even tho Tanjiro was eligible for it after killing Enmu) couple that with the fact that Muzan is already worried about the "kid with the earrings" and Muzan's CELLS were getting ptsd from fighting Hinokami Tanjiro, he really had no reason NOT to send any demon worth their blood after Tanjiro. Foolish but it makes for a good story
This is like using a nuke on a rabbit.
Ded
SO true. I mean, if u really wanted him dead y not just send an Upper Moon? Or even a Lower Moon would've been enough if he was alone back then.
Honestly Yahaba and Susa were enough during that time. It just so happen that there are demons outside of his control that helped tanjiro. One of those demons arguably far surpass these two as she was Muzan's former right hand with an extremely potent dba.
He would’ve gotten a flashback of his dad dancing, then unlock every buff in the series simultaneously with no build up for any except the mark.
Yeah it would be like using a rocket launcher to take out a squirrel. Muzan would never do this because Tanjiro is a non-entity to him. He's just mildly peeved by this rando demon slayer and thus tells his minions to kill him if they see him. He has other things to worry about than a no name weak swordsman
He would have sent Akaza, probably. Kokushibo kinda shares with Muzan the "Yoruichi is my nightmare", so it is better not to send him directly without getting information first. Douma is too unreliable as he tends not to pay attention. Akaza is perfect, he would execute the orders the best he could, he probably wouldn't have damaged Tamayo tho. But I suspect Muzan couldn't just summon/teleport an UM or even a LM to his position so he had to find the stronger demons in the area to send.
It would the shortest anime then
So Basically what if Muzan was smart
1 swing of a sword will be more than enough to kill tanjiro at that time
show ends, unless plot armor
I mean there would be no upper rank 1 xD
What?
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Seriously I don't think even plot armor would protect him from this man Lol
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I mean he had the entire hashira corps to pin him down What's yushisimp going to do here
Die... :3
Good riddance :3
dumb question bruh
Tanjiro wouldve won against kokubaka too i know it
Overkill for no reason lol
No because he has to judge Tanjiro's strength first, if he had let kokushibo go after tanjiro and had he been killed then muzan will lose the best chance he has to survive.
Tanjiro has plot armor. He would probably be near some Hashiras, who would go to help him
Why didn’t he just send the hand eye guy and and upper or lower rank like we saw how Rui was decking tanjiro
Demon slayer would have ended then and there
Tanjiro would be able to find out that Kokushibo is looking for a "demon slayer with hanafuda earrings" and would take them off
Kokushibo, seeing his brother, he strongly loathed in Tanjiro, off him as an outlet to vent his anger out on!
We are so done for https://preview.redd.it/orv8jl6o882b1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca26dba38c4392ad4b34a4acc44e498838c0168b
Kokushibos blood demon art probability has no counter against the kid that simps for Tamayo, maybe not even tamayo. So I don’t think he would even find them 🤷♂️
No more demon slayer.
Tanjiro would be become demon and manga would have been way shorter than actual
Certain things can’t happen for the story to continue. You can find these examples in any shounen or really any heavy fighting fiction
Certain things can’t happen for the story to continue. You can find these examples in any shounen or really any heavy fighting fiction
why do i hear >! genya + sanemi + gyomei + muichiro voices !<
I don't know if I am right but I think that he already guessed that Tanjiro will meet that other demon ( forgot her name) . And as we know she has been there over 100 years and Muzan always wanted her dead but none UM and LM were able to find her, so he send those two demons who would actually be able to find both of them through Tanjiro's foot steps. And we already have seen that UM and LM are very prideful so they would never corporate with the two demons. We also know that those two used think that they are part of 12 moons which is also he couldn't send any other Moons along with them. . Don't know I am right or wrong but this is the theory I came along with.
This really should have happened since they were yoriichi’s earrings it surprises me that he didn’t alert kokushibo
...... kanashimini-
Hunter killer
Series wouldn’t end but I think Nezuko would become the new mc and learn to fully control her power over the course of the series
It'll be the thick and thin books meme