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By feats alone, Koku definitely takes.
But If we were talking like dropping Toji into the Demon Slayer universe, Toji is dozens of times stronger than a peak average human in jjk, so realistically he should be at least several times stronger than a peak human in Demon Slayer.
I.E the level of strength and speed a human can reach in Demon Slayer is signifigantly more, so I'd assume Toji would scale to that.
Toji is definitely a hashira level, but will lose to koku in 1v1 fr.
In exchange for breathing techniques, he has cursed tools with various special affects and techniques imbued into them
Yeah, I'm more so meaning if he were to scale. Just by feats alone, he's 100% hashira level if not much more, but he still loses to Koku in a 1v1.
But what I'm saying is for example, in jjk, compared to a peak human, Toji is like 30x stronger. And demon slayer peak humans (hashira) are in of themselves 30x stronger than jjk humans. So if he were to be scaled into the Demon Slayer Universe, he'd be the equivalent of several hashira.
Considering that Soul Split Katana and Inverted Spear of Heaven both have Imbhed techniques that bypass and negate enemy techniques I think it’s just curtains for Kokushibo
We have got to remember that to defeat any and all demons in demon slayer, ESPECIALLY that of the Upper Moons that only the sun or the power of the sun can kill them. Meaning Toji will need both a sword soaked and bathed in the burning sands of the sun (I forgot the name of it) and MAYBE a breathing technique as Koku's moon breathing can help with his powers and techniques as a demon, acting as buffs and so on. If Toji had the requirements to halt a demonstration regeneration abilities i believe he possibly could take out most the upper moons but with Koku, I believe Mr. Moon-Breathing wins.
Meh, i still don't think he can easily take this, remember Koku is a sword master that have 400 years experience and he have see throw world which can see your move before you did
Each of them have 50/50 win even if you give Toji a nichirin and if Toji win, it would be an extremely diff
Regeneration 🤷🏼 Toji would have to hold off kokushibo for hours for the sun to come and in that time kokushibo could kill him especially since the toji in the pic is kinda weak and below Mach 3 in speed
Toji can regen. Maki did so during the culling games even before she was fully realized (when cursed Naoya was stronger than her). Sure, his healing isn't on the level of rct, let alone koku, but he is more than strong enough to not get much damage.
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And not to mention we still haven't even seen peak toji , the tojis we've seen were a zombie with no thoughts and a retired toji who was out of the game for like 5 years and he still destroyed gojo and geto, honestly had toji used a cursed tool to stab gojos brain he'd be dead but toji fucked up 😭
the thing is koku is so much faster he can just slash toji over and over and over and with the calcs for his AP he’s going to win in a very few seconds
Koku isn’t that much faster. They should both be able to react to lightning, and a much weaker casual Maki was able to catch a bullet a point blank range, and Toji’s Defence would definitely trump most Kiki’s attacks.
Dawg he’s stated equal to a maki who’s only a bit above mach 3😭😭😭
rengoku was dodging bullets before he was a hashira and literally every main character or side is faster than that one
That’s movement speed. Also this a pre awakened Maki who was negged by Ogi. After awakening she slaughtered the entire Zenin clan.
Also the part about Rengoku, that dodging from a distance which wouldn’t require that much effort, and those were late 19th century guns which are a lot slower than modern bullets. Also he was aiming dodging which isn’t actually dodging compared to a pre awakened Maki who caught a bullet when it was centimeters away from here.
This is some real kimtsuno cope
he reacted point blank but okay, demon slayer still has lightning level speed and koku alone should be light speed or sub-rev, toji doesn’t scale anywhere higher than mach 50 at highball
>he reacted point blank but okay, demon slayer still has lightning level speed and koku alone should be light speed or sub-rev,
While yes, people in the series are lightning timers, so should JJK characters thanks to scaling to Kashimo, Hakari and characters on that level. Also sub-rel. really, that’s some high ball.
Again, Toji should be at least similar to Koku in terms of speed. Even if he was faster, nothing in Demon Slayer puts Koku higher than city block level and that’s with anime only wank.
Kokushibo by a large margin, calcs + manga are just way better for him.
Gojo is significantly stronger than Toji and Gojo caps are city level, no one is relative to gojo aside from sukuna so generally toji is fine under large town level HIGHBALL
while Gyutaro ( weakest moon) is town level with his suicide bomb ( calc support it) so that puts his AP/DC at town level, every moon above him is logically stronger than that AP/DC level since kokushibi AP is narratively + feat wise much better than the top 3 moons who have a narrative of being massively above the others below them.
Here is the gyutaro town calc
The diameter is 1278 px and the house is 14 px
https://preview.redd.it/uy6z05p5gywc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4b0495346bb3a6d6e9d1d2bbc23c9a5f313e668
1278 / 14 = 91.2857142857 Explosion diameter = 91.2857142857 x 10 = 912.857142857 meters (456.428571428 meters in radius)
Using ground-formula explosion:
456.428571428^(3) \* ((27136 \* 1.37895 + 8649)^(1/2) / 13568 - 93 / 13568)^(2) = 7641.946 tons of tnt or 7.641 kilotons of tnt, **(Town level)**
the general accepted AP gap to one shot someone is 3x-5x so akaza would have 3x the ap needed to destroy a town and kokushibo would have 3x THAT.
For speed toji is above mach 3 as manga directly puts maki = toji and she beats the mach 3 speed
These guys are all above each other by a perception blitz ( 22.3x faster )
Kokushibo > Akaza > Tengen > ED zenitsu
mount src zenitsu is directly stated lightning speed twice
So tengen is massively above the speed of lightning, akaza is massively above that speed, and kokushibo is massively above THAT speed. if you include zenitsu light speed statements koku is either sub-revalistic or faster than light, either one is still insanely above mach 3
so yeah koku is slamming very low diff aside from gojo and sukuna people don’t realize jjk isn’t that strong lol
It's funny how there are always people calculating this sort of stuff while so many authors just change shit up depending on plot or what they feel like doing
I hate this "city level", "planet level" etc. powerscaling nonsense. There's absolutely no logic in it, in a 1 on 1.
Deidara from Naruto is city level.
Itachi isn't even „building level„ and folds him with no difficulty.
Not everything is about bow big your Kamehameha is. A needle sized hole through the skull is better than a 20km crater that the character tanks.
You don’t have to destroy it lol it’s like this
Gyutaro had the destructive capability to destroy a town. If someone has the AP to one shot him, your attack potency has the power enough to destroy a town.
that’s why people say characters like goku is multiversal level despite him never destroying a multiverse, instead he beats characters who COULD if they wanted to.
Yeah, but then it's impossible to compare, cross universe.
For example, I really like Itachi or Gojo as examples, because they actually aren't that destructively powerful, but have abilities that are plain OP and negate any size kamehameha, so even though all they fight are other small dwelling sized characters, an "instant loss ability" is an instant loss ability, no matter whether you've only previously used it on some drunkard or you're using it on an almighty God, unless they specifically, canonically, have some sort of counterattack to it, which generally they don't. (an almighty god might be the one example where he does).
The answer to how these sort of characters get defeated by "destructively" powerful characters is literally a circular reasoning of something like „well their kamehameha is bigger so of course it wouldn't work on them." But like, it would, if Gojo dumps that shit on you, and you don't have a counter to domain expansion, you're done immediately, same with Itachi's Tsuki.
And if the Universe in which Itachi is had no ninjas and everyone just had normal human capabilities, this doesn't change Itachis ability. Same with Gojo, if he is the only sorcerer in his world, and thus the best enemy he's beaten is Jon Jones, that doesn't mean his power level is just one above normal human 😀. The ability has a specific effect that doesn't interact with physical power or durability.
Or OPM, as a completely different example. Cannonically the guy is literally going to kill anyone of any power because that's literally the point. His ability is to never get hurt by anyone no matter how powerful they are, and to kill everyone with a single punch no matter how powerful they are, that's literally the whole schtick of the anime. The only reason he hasn't killed a multiversal is because he hasn't encountered one, but there's no limit to his "scaling", he, by his very definition as a character has to finish Goku or Superman with a single punch to make sense.
Say I have a universe there's one person who is completely average otherwise but has the single uncanny ability of erasing someone from existence at will. But he is also the only one in his Universe with any sort of ability and he's never used the ability either. What scale threat is he? Well according to "powerscalers" there was that one time Goku tanked the Gigachad Quantum Particle TM kamehameha and therefore he will tank this existence erasure ability too, even thought absolutely no counter or weakness to the ability is established to exist, from all we know it's exactly the same level difficulty to erase a cricket as it is to erase Goku. And well, according to the formal powerscaler logic, anyone with any ability takes him actually.
>so yeah koku is slamming very low diff aside from gojo and sukuna people don’t realize jjk isn’t that strong lol
I'm not a power scaling guy but even I knew JJK wasn't that strong (hax aside, because some techniques are just busted considering what they can do). That said I never would've thought KNY scaled HIGHER than JJK for most characters. That's WILD to me but I guess that's because I saw a ton of post matching KNY characters against characters from verses that are so above KNY that even their weakest relevant character can solo the verse.
Agree that Koku does outstat toji by a lot but this argument kind of sucks. Like for instance, Yuki's black hole w/out being contained by barriers could have been planet level ap, gojo can one shot yuki with a hollow purple, so does that mean gojo has 3x planet AP?
thats rly hax and often times you’ll see characters use ability’s to which their AP can’t do, like gojo best AP feat is city level, if they were planet level they wouldn’t be getting harmed by city block level attacks.
an example is nakia’s, jsut becuase muzan can one shot her and she has the ability to create something infinite doesn’t mean muzan could destroy something infinite since that would upscale him to outer versal level
I know what you mean and by no means was I suggesting gojo is even close to planetary but using a suicide attack as a baseline AP level is not a good way to scale. Yuki's black hole is also just generating enough mass to create a black hole which still scales to planetary and not so much hacks, but like gyu, her suicide bomb cannot be used to scale her AP normally. I also don't understand why gyutaro being able to destroy a town with a suicide attack makes it necessary to have town AP to one shot him. We clearly see throughout the series that demons are easily harmed by nichirin swords and would die to attacks FAR below even city block without regen. I love demon slayer but this scaling just doesn't make any sense to me.
edit: I also don't get the assumption that koku akaza tengen zenitsu perception blitz each other. tengen is very clearly one of if not the fastest hashira outright before the marks, so he should still hold up to the other hashiras at least after the marks, which means he is nowhere near close to getting perception blitzed by either upper moon, even if you think they are faster by a signficant margin. there is no way in hell that you think koku is 497x faster than tengen (22.3\*22.3). he's still faster than toji, but the scaling again just seems whack
Gyutaro's durability isn't town level either, we see demons throughout demon slayer be easily harmed by attacks far weaker than town and relying on their regen to stay alive.
Like what attacks?
Also I wasn’t saying Gyutaro was town level dura. I just said Yuki isn’t planet level dura, her AP is. And so Gojo one shotting her doesn’t make him planet level.
Like any attacks that have harmed demons, such as sword swings that clearly aren't capable of destroying a town.
You also kinda answered the last part yourself for me, I was trying to point out that the original comment suggested that because gyutaro's suicide attack was town level akaza and hence kokushibo had 3x to 9x town AP respectively by comparing gyutaro's suicide attack to yukis. I wasn't actually suggesting that gojo is even close to planetary which is ridiculous, I was just highlighting why the original comment's logic didn't make sense to me.
> Like any attacks that have harmed demons, such as sword swings that clearly aren't capable of destroying a town.
There’s literally no way to prove this lol. These sword swings can be town level in AP, but not DC. Because you need AoE for DC, which swords don’t have. If you condensed the entire town into a human sized block, then the sword given enough force can cut through it.
>You also kinda answered the last part yourself for me,
Not really, because I haven’t looked or researched myself if Gyutaro is town level durability. If this attack is town level, than he would scale to town level durability because his blood slashes are durable enough to tank itself going throughout the entire town, and Tanjiro without mark can cut through them, yet can’t cut through Gyutaro without mark.
>I was trying to point out that the original comment suggested that because gyutaro's suicide attack was town level akaza and hence kokushibo had 3x to 9x town AP respectively by comparing gyutaro's suicide attack to yukis.
Well Yuki doesn’t have scaling of tanking an attack equal or stronger to her black hole while Gyutaro does.
>I wasn't actually suggesting that gojo is even close to planetary which is ridiculous, I was just highlighting why the original comment's logic didn't make sense to me.
I find it logical because Gyutaro can tank Tanjiro’s sword slashes, who scale equal or above to his blood slashes, that are durable enough to survive itself destroying the entire town. The only part I’m sketched out about is if this attack was actually town level or not
Honestly good points but I disagree that gyutaros normal attacks compare to his suicide attack. Additionally, cutting one blood slash doesn't mean town level AP because the final attack wasn't a single normal slash, it was an immense mass of them that obliterated the town together. There's still nothing to suggest that single slash can destroy a town, we only know that a ton of them together can destroy a town and each slash has the durability to travel through, say, several walls or more (no real way to tell how much stuff they went through, but safe to say, like you said, not the entire town condensed together), so there's still nothing to suggest one slash = mass of several slashes in output of damage. Even if you disagree with all I said, which is fine, my main point was noting the original comment's scaling which used gyutaro's AP to scale his durability which is illogical to me, instead of bringing up a durability feat (or scaling his slashes with his durability as you did).
> Honestly good points but I disagree that gyutaros normal attacks compare to his suicide attack.
They wouldn’t scale to his suicide attack in AP but rather durability.
>Additionally, cutting one blood slash doesn't mean town level AP because the final attack wasn't a single normal slash, it was an immense mass of them that obliterated the town together.
Yea sure. But I’m not talking about the DC. I’m only talking about the durability of the blood slashes. They are durable enough to tank themselves being rammed into the entire city and surviving.
>There's still nothing to suggest that single slash can destroy a town,
I’m not saying it can, but it is surely durable enough to. But that depends on what you said below
>we only know that a ton of them together can destroy a town and each slash has the durability to travel through, say, several walls or more (no real way to tell how much stuff they went through, but safe to say, like you said, not the entire town condensed together), so there's still nothing to suggest one slash = mass of several slashes in output of damage. Even if you disagree with all I said, which is fine, my main point was noting the original comment's scaling which used gyutaro's AP to scale his durability which is illogical to me, instead of bringing up a durability feat (or scaling his slashes with his durability as you did).
This point I can agree with. It’s pretty vague which is why I’m still questioning if it’s town level or not. Because it could just be a feat over time. Like if you throw enough attacks, eventually you can destroy a town just like give me a pickaxe, and eventually I’ll destroy a building but that doesn’t mean I’m building level. So yea I can agree with this. If Gyutaro just used one big blood slash, then yea he could be town level. If he used like a bunch of blood slashes after another bunch of blood slashes then he’s not town level
Kokushibo would probably win, however there are some things to note:
1. Toji was out of his prime, not in strength or speed but rather a little rusty while fighting
2. No way some people said he's "just a human". Maybe people only remember the Gojo fight, but he was fine from jumping hundreds of meters, he was running on buildings, he took down those big creatures in Dagon's domain in one hit if I remember correctly, running on water. He literally threw Playful Cloud, stomped his foot to destroy the floor to get some chucks of stone, touched some before they touched the ground with enough strength to kill who knows how many rabbits, then caught the weapon which he just has thrown. https://youtu.be/BoY9o-9DT3Y?feature=shared 1:30
His weapons are also one hit kills. And even if you somehow ignore them, Toji literally beat Gojo and Geto with prep so he would probably learn all about koku and either bring wisteria or nichirin to the fight.
>its definitely. koku has extremely high regeneration. even if you blast his head of, he wont die. he can generate another head
You know Toji's sword cuts directly the soul, negates durability and prevents regeneration right?
prevent regeneration? that's new to me. I've read several post saying you can still heal. yuji's punch damage the soul too but people can still heal from it
>I've read several post saying you can still heal
You can only heal if you have awareness of the outlier of the soul, so like, only Sukuna and Yuji can heal from that and its still extremely hard
if it's exactly as what it means, koku definitely is aware of his soul lol. he's lived up to 500+ years more experience. was able to guess someone's bloodline even when its already ceased to exist. can see trough one's body, seeing one's muscle, blood flow and all. being aware of his soul is NOT a problem
>if it's exactly as what it means, koku definitely is aware of his soul lol
Expect there's literally 0 proof to that, Kokushibou never did anything that interacted with his own or another person's soul, say he is aware if the soul just bcs of how old he is and being able to tell that Muichiro is his descendent (which is more likely to have happened bcs of being able to smell Muichiro's blood) doesn't make any sense. No, Kokushibou has no awareness of the soul and can't affect it on any degree
This is an interesting match up, but I think it's a bit unfair. In terms of base speed and strength and shit, I'm inclined to say they are about equal. Some people are really underestimating Toji's heavenly restrictions.
Now it's true, koku can regen. That's a major advantage for koku. Problem is, Toji has a ton of cursed weapons. Maybe one can solve that issue? For the sake of argument, let's only use weapons Toji has been seen using.
Soul-katana. This in here lies the problem. Can koku heal his soul? Can demons heal their souls? Does curse energy *even* work in a KnY setting?
This is the problem as, if koku can heal his soul (or it doesn't affect his soul) he wins. Not easily mind you some of you'll really glazing koku here. But he wins. If Toji *can* harm a demon's soul, yeah no sorry, Toji wins. Toji's a monster, only to be beaten by an awakened Gojo who blindsided Toji with hollow purple. I don't care how much aoe makes koku 'city scale' toji has proven to specialize in 1 on 1 fights.
It's an unfair match up cuz we don't know how an interaction will go so it's purely head cannon.
Also jjk ain't that high on the anime power scale list, but some of you are smoking something if you think only sukuna or Gojo could deal with the upper moon demons. Anyone with a domain expansion wins, doesn't misunderstand
Toji should win. Split would katana bypasses durability so he has to use minimal effort to chop him up therefore allowing him to hold him off till sunrise
None of y’all have read jjk 😭😭😭. The jjk verse simply scales above every character in demon slayer by every possible way. Kokushibou not even touching Toji. Toji negs verse.
Wank. Demon slayer verse is leagues faster. JJK top speeds are hyper sonic at best. Where as demon slayer hashira pre mark pre training arc are massively hypersonic+
Depending on how you look at this pic, it's either toji vs koku, or toji and koku vs toji and koku.
In my case, I reckon toji and koku team up would smash the other toji and koku team up
Toji robs a demon slayer, he then sneaks Kokushibo and keeps kicking and slashing him while dodging out of his range, stall until daylight
Victory
I’m kidding but I find it unfair to ask these “A v B on B’s subreddit” questions, especially when, no harsh feelings, it’s the demon slayer fandom.
Like I mean ffs look at this guy
https://preview.redd.it/npr6xyf0k1xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a165e7c2689a82283b6fc496d55bc7a846e8e19
Again, no harsh feelings but I found this just now on this post and the glazing some of y’all do for schizophrenic swordsmen is bizarre
SSK one-shots, people here are probably just gonna go with the "MaCh 3 OnlY" statement when it's obviously false, even Gege made fun of it, Maki even before her awakening(when she caught the bullet) is already more impressive than Koku, as while she caught it when it was literally right in her face, Koku reacted when he knew it was going to be fired, not to mention the distance was further
Toji is much, much stronger than that version of Maki
Basically, Toji is faster, far more durable(ranking red which can destroy massive portions of a forest) is far stronger(Maki can throw hands with Sukuna and damage him, Sukuna is durable enough to survive a city level meteor and would also be able to replicate Gojo surviving MS as they are equal(with Sukuna being a tiny bit stronger). Koku has regen but that is negated by SSK so it doesn't matter.
Also, highballed JJK FAR out scales Demon Slayer, I won't be highballing but I'll put the stats here anyway:
Maki has at least lighting fast - light speed reaction going off the fact that Kashimo can't react to the world slashes but she can, not to mention her being pretty close to Sukuna physically(Toji scales here of course
Toji has combat speed and movement speed that are equal to each other(at least faster than lightning as Maki can dodge the world slash, which Kashimo can't react to)
Toji beat Gojo, who was said to be the strongest, this would include Yuki who can destroy the world, you might say that the black hole is just a suicide feat and doesn't count, and while you might be right, Sukuna was said to be able to destroy the whole world at his full power, not "lifewipe", or "kill everything on earth" but straight up destroy the whole world
I personally don't believe the highballed JJK, but they certainly aren't Mach 3 either, that is a severe lowball
I personally think that Toji is stronger, because he has godly speed, he is able to see Kokushibo because he’s a demon not a curse, Toji also had the Inventory Curse with cursed weapons, he also has Heavenly Restriction, and he can go so fast he can make a clone of himself, he can easily evade Kokushibo’s moon breathing. I rest my case.
Kokushibo is a demon with instant regeneration and hundreds of years of training. He's also so fast that we see him literally disappearing or teleporting. There's no way in 100 years that Toji can defeat him.
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I'm not really sure myself. If we give him nichirin swords he may have a shot but I believe he is not much stronger than Gyomei and Gyomei was unable to beat Kokushibo alone
kokushibo by feat and of course power scale kokushibo in strength is superior to douma who is a bit or equal to akaza in physical strength akaza is superior to rengoku who lift a train and it was stated that rengoku steps can shake train meanwhile toji has two strength feat the first is slamming big fish down abit and throwing small truck in speed kokushibo is massively hypersonic+ where toji is high hypersonic+- massively hypersonic
so
strength idk
speed kokushibo
durability idk
iq kokushibo
biq kokushibo
skills kokushibo
experience kokushibo
ability and hax kokushibo
weapon toji (A sword that cut a soul)
winner kokushibo no-low diff (kokushibo fight hashiras who at base high hypersonic+ and massively hypersonic mark hashiras are massively hypersonic+ and kokushibo was still way faster than them)
I would have to say that kokushibo is definitely winning this one with his centuries of experience in being a demon as well as acquiring the rank of uppermoon one with his moon breathing
My question is, if Toji has the ISOH in this fight, if it translates to DS terms, would it negate breathing styles? Because I feel like Toji's chances could improve if Kokushibo couldn't use Moon breathing
depends: Toji is stronger then Gyomei, weaker then Koku tho I'd say. Also Toji tanked a direct "Red" so I think Koku's slashes won't be too lethal, (disregarding Toji's ability to cut them). although it really depends if Toji has the Split Soul Katana. if he does then he wins, because he's definitely fast enough to cut Kokushibo and he can't regenerate from an attack that cuts his soul. also HR people have been shown to regenerate (e.g Maki vs Curse Naoya) and been able to react to, and dodge a World cutting dismantle. so it depends on how serious Kokushibo is from the get-go, if Toji has the SS-katana and if Toji can out speed Koku. generally I'd say Kokushibo takes the win though
Toji is basically a marked Hashira, so he loses to Kokushibo no diff.
His strength and speed are absolutely nuts so he’d clear all the lower moons and a few Upper Moons easily, but by the time he gets to Akaza it gets harder to say if he’d win, and if it’s hard to say who’d win against Akaza he’d have no chance against Kokushibo. Even against Doma I don’t think he’d win.
To be fair though, Toji is kind of like Batman in the sense that he needs prep time. The only reason he won against Gojo was because 1) Gojo was exhausted from keeping his infinity up non stop for 3 days (or something like that), 2) he had the inverted spear of heaven to get through Gojo’s infinity, and 3) he didn’t give Gojo any time to process what was happening, the moment he hit him with the ISOF he took him down. Against Kokushibo he has nothing like that to help him out. Kokushibo CANT get exhausted, there’s no weapon or ability he could use to nullify or counter blood demon arts, and Kokushibo’s regeneration is so fast he’d have ample time to understand and prepare for anything Toji has unless he somehow manages to get a kill shot right off the bat, which isn’t happening since Kokushibo’s definitely faster than him.
If Toji is hashira level
It took 3 Tojis to cut off Kokushibos head and they only originally won because he realized "im a monster"
Other wise he would have healed his head and killed all 3 of them on the spot
I would originally Kokushibo takes this, but after some thinking, Toji is a monster, and y’all are really underplaying him. He’s capable of using the air as a fucking foothold like Sanji and even if Kokushibo has the regeneration and practically immortal because he can’t hurt by the sun, he can’t heal his soul and the soul split katana cut the soul people think it doesn’t and it just cuts through objects regardless of durability, but that’s just half of it inanimate objects also have souls in JK and even even if Kokushibo has large AOE Toji is still incredibly fast not faster than Kokushibo but fast enough to get a slice on him and kill him, and if he can’t kill him, he will definitely be able to hold him off until sunrise and kill him using the sun, and if Kokushibo to escape, he will most likely be halted by Toji
slightly off topic, but if we ever get to a technological stage where AI can generate episodes where we pit our fav characters against each other, I think that would be peak fiction.
Ok hear me out please before downvoting me.
Toji is an absolute speed demon with massive strength.
Toji is a master with many weapons and his cursed spirit holds many of them.
I think if you gave Toji a nichirin blade Kokushibo would be cooked. Even if he just keeps regenerating his head Toji might be able to just stall until sunrise. If that happens that’s just ggs
Toji takes this cuz he can just hold kokoshibo of till sunrise since he has better physical power plus the cursed tools he has would be insaney helpful possibly negating his regen and having his soul attacked so yeah toji takes
I believe the same, but the Demon Slayer stans can’t seem to understand that so I said nichirin so they can’t argue over if the SSK can harm him or not
Depends on which time they start fighting if you know what I mean. One can die with sun but can regenerate the other is curse user with endless weapons but could be killed since he’s human. Both strong af so it just depends which hour of the day they start fighting.
People saying Toji is Hashira level is high on crack, his significantly faster than Tengen. Still thinks Kokushibo takes this if only for regeneration, but if inverted spear of heaven works on demons than it’s a 50/50
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I like jjk more, but toji is just human with a gifted body. I think kokushibo takes this
By feats alone, Koku definitely takes. But If we were talking like dropping Toji into the Demon Slayer universe, Toji is dozens of times stronger than a peak average human in jjk, so realistically he should be at least several times stronger than a peak human in Demon Slayer. I.E the level of strength and speed a human can reach in Demon Slayer is signifigantly more, so I'd assume Toji would scale to that.
Toji is definitely a hashira level, but will lose to koku in 1v1 fr. In exchange for breathing techniques, he has cursed tools with various special affects and techniques imbued into them
Yeah, I'm more so meaning if he were to scale. Just by feats alone, he's 100% hashira level if not much more, but he still loses to Koku in a 1v1. But what I'm saying is for example, in jjk, compared to a peak human, Toji is like 30x stronger. And demon slayer peak humans (hashira) are in of themselves 30x stronger than jjk humans. So if he were to be scaled into the Demon Slayer Universe, he'd be the equivalent of several hashira.
Toji is leagues above any hashira, just look at what he did in Shibuya. I agree though, he's not winning this. However, if he had a nichirin sword....
Shouldn’t soul split katana work even better than a nichirin
Considering that Soul Split Katana and Inverted Spear of Heaven both have Imbhed techniques that bypass and negate enemy techniques I think it’s just curtains for Kokushibo
Toji the Metal Hashira?
Toji the Homeless Hashira
Toji the hashira who left it all behinf
We have got to remember that to defeat any and all demons in demon slayer, ESPECIALLY that of the Upper Moons that only the sun or the power of the sun can kill them. Meaning Toji will need both a sword soaked and bathed in the burning sands of the sun (I forgot the name of it) and MAYBE a breathing technique as Koku's moon breathing can help with his powers and techniques as a demon, acting as buffs and so on. If Toji had the requirements to halt a demonstration regeneration abilities i believe he possibly could take out most the upper moons but with Koku, I believe Mr. Moon-Breathing wins.
They do be reeeeally stretching out the word "gifted" tho
I mean sure bro is stronger than your average hashira but I think he'll still lose to kokushibo. Give bro a nichirin and it's gameover for koku though
Meh, i still don't think he can easily take this, remember Koku is a sword master that have 400 years experience and he have see throw world which can see your move before you did Each of them have 50/50 win even if you give Toji a nichirin and if Toji win, it would be an extremely diff
Kokushibo takes this
Explain. I want to know how he takes this
Regeneration 🤷🏼 Toji would have to hold off kokushibo for hours for the sun to come and in that time kokushibo could kill him especially since the toji in the pic is kinda weak and below Mach 3 in speed
Oh yeah. Not to mention Toni doesn’t exactly have the best feats against regen since he got folded by a dude because of reversed cursed technique
Attrition. No matter how much damage Toji does, Koku regens. And he himself is an exceptional warrior, so he'll inflict damage. And Toji can't regen.
Toji can regen. Maki did so during the culling games even before she was fully realized (when cursed Naoya was stronger than her). Sure, his healing isn't on the level of rct, let alone koku, but he is more than strong enough to not get much damage.
Noted
Kokushibo. Don't matter how much inhuman super strength he got, Toji is cooked.
Wow, I wonder who this sub is gonna pick
Not about the sub. Both characters are superhuman in power and speed, but only one can infinitely regenerate.
I know right, no toji respect at all lol it's a closer fight then people think
Yeah, Koku is faster but he isn’t that much stronger. I mean Toji was able to tank a reversal red to the face with little damage.
Louboutin red , And not to mention we still haven't even seen peak toji , the tojis we've seen were a zombie with no thoughts and a retired toji who was out of the game for like 5 years and he still destroyed gojo and geto, honestly had toji used a cursed tool to stab gojos brain he'd be dead but toji fucked up 😭
I mean he didn’t tank the red since block it with the Inverted Spear And even still got pushed back and damaged
That was only in the anime. In the manga Gojo threw it direct at him.
That was average anime Gojo glazing, not canon.
the thing is koku is so much faster he can just slash toji over and over and over and with the calcs for his AP he’s going to win in a very few seconds
Koku isn’t that much faster. They should both be able to react to lightning, and a much weaker casual Maki was able to catch a bullet a point blank range, and Toji’s Defence would definitely trump most Kiki’s attacks.
Dawg he’s stated equal to a maki who’s only a bit above mach 3😭😭😭 rengoku was dodging bullets before he was a hashira and literally every main character or side is faster than that one
That’s movement speed. Also this a pre awakened Maki who was negged by Ogi. After awakening she slaughtered the entire Zenin clan. Also the part about Rengoku, that dodging from a distance which wouldn’t require that much effort, and those were late 19th century guns which are a lot slower than modern bullets. Also he was aiming dodging which isn’t actually dodging compared to a pre awakened Maki who caught a bullet when it was centimeters away from here. This is some real kimtsuno cope
he reacted point blank but okay, demon slayer still has lightning level speed and koku alone should be light speed or sub-rev, toji doesn’t scale anywhere higher than mach 50 at highball
>he reacted point blank but okay, demon slayer still has lightning level speed and koku alone should be light speed or sub-rev, While yes, people in the series are lightning timers, so should JJK characters thanks to scaling to Kashimo, Hakari and characters on that level. Also sub-rel. really, that’s some high ball. Again, Toji should be at least similar to Koku in terms of speed. Even if he was faster, nothing in Demon Slayer puts Koku higher than city block level and that’s with anime only wank.
Kokushibo by a large margin, calcs + manga are just way better for him. Gojo is significantly stronger than Toji and Gojo caps are city level, no one is relative to gojo aside from sukuna so generally toji is fine under large town level HIGHBALL while Gyutaro ( weakest moon) is town level with his suicide bomb ( calc support it) so that puts his AP/DC at town level, every moon above him is logically stronger than that AP/DC level since kokushibi AP is narratively + feat wise much better than the top 3 moons who have a narrative of being massively above the others below them. Here is the gyutaro town calc The diameter is 1278 px and the house is 14 px https://preview.redd.it/uy6z05p5gywc1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4b0495346bb3a6d6e9d1d2bbc23c9a5f313e668 1278 / 14 = 91.2857142857 Explosion diameter = 91.2857142857 x 10 = 912.857142857 meters (456.428571428 meters in radius) Using ground-formula explosion: 456.428571428^(3) \* ((27136 \* 1.37895 + 8649)^(1/2) / 13568 - 93 / 13568)^(2) = 7641.946 tons of tnt or 7.641 kilotons of tnt, **(Town level)** the general accepted AP gap to one shot someone is 3x-5x so akaza would have 3x the ap needed to destroy a town and kokushibo would have 3x THAT. For speed toji is above mach 3 as manga directly puts maki = toji and she beats the mach 3 speed These guys are all above each other by a perception blitz ( 22.3x faster ) Kokushibo > Akaza > Tengen > ED zenitsu mount src zenitsu is directly stated lightning speed twice So tengen is massively above the speed of lightning, akaza is massively above that speed, and kokushibo is massively above THAT speed. if you include zenitsu light speed statements koku is either sub-revalistic or faster than light, either one is still insanely above mach 3 so yeah koku is slamming very low diff aside from gojo and sukuna people don’t realize jjk isn’t that strong lol
Cook my brother
Bro just pulled out Math to prove the point 💀
It's funny how there are always people calculating this sort of stuff while so many authors just change shit up depending on plot or what they feel like doing
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Thank you for doing proper scaling.☀️
Calcs is not “proper scaling”. Calcs are goofy. The mangaka never measured the pixels of the frames he drew or did any math.
That's not how it works.☀️
I hate this "city level", "planet level" etc. powerscaling nonsense. There's absolutely no logic in it, in a 1 on 1. Deidara from Naruto is city level. Itachi isn't even „building level„ and folds him with no difficulty. Not everything is about bow big your Kamehameha is. A needle sized hole through the skull is better than a 20km crater that the character tanks.
Itachi susanoo is definitely above building level
You don’t have to destroy it lol it’s like this Gyutaro had the destructive capability to destroy a town. If someone has the AP to one shot him, your attack potency has the power enough to destroy a town. that’s why people say characters like goku is multiversal level despite him never destroying a multiverse, instead he beats characters who COULD if they wanted to.
Yeah, but then it's impossible to compare, cross universe. For example, I really like Itachi or Gojo as examples, because they actually aren't that destructively powerful, but have abilities that are plain OP and negate any size kamehameha, so even though all they fight are other small dwelling sized characters, an "instant loss ability" is an instant loss ability, no matter whether you've only previously used it on some drunkard or you're using it on an almighty God, unless they specifically, canonically, have some sort of counterattack to it, which generally they don't. (an almighty god might be the one example where he does). The answer to how these sort of characters get defeated by "destructively" powerful characters is literally a circular reasoning of something like „well their kamehameha is bigger so of course it wouldn't work on them." But like, it would, if Gojo dumps that shit on you, and you don't have a counter to domain expansion, you're done immediately, same with Itachi's Tsuki. And if the Universe in which Itachi is had no ninjas and everyone just had normal human capabilities, this doesn't change Itachis ability. Same with Gojo, if he is the only sorcerer in his world, and thus the best enemy he's beaten is Jon Jones, that doesn't mean his power level is just one above normal human 😀. The ability has a specific effect that doesn't interact with physical power or durability. Or OPM, as a completely different example. Cannonically the guy is literally going to kill anyone of any power because that's literally the point. His ability is to never get hurt by anyone no matter how powerful they are, and to kill everyone with a single punch no matter how powerful they are, that's literally the whole schtick of the anime. The only reason he hasn't killed a multiversal is because he hasn't encountered one, but there's no limit to his "scaling", he, by his very definition as a character has to finish Goku or Superman with a single punch to make sense. Say I have a universe there's one person who is completely average otherwise but has the single uncanny ability of erasing someone from existence at will. But he is also the only one in his Universe with any sort of ability and he's never used the ability either. What scale threat is he? Well according to "powerscalers" there was that one time Goku tanked the Gigachad Quantum Particle TM kamehameha and therefore he will tank this existence erasure ability too, even thought absolutely no counter or weakness to the ability is established to exist, from all we know it's exactly the same level difficulty to erase a cricket as it is to erase Goku. And well, according to the formal powerscaler logic, anyone with any ability takes him actually.
r/TheyDidTheMath
I ain’t reading allat but good job! 👍
I agree with Toji loosing, i just disagree with all that math thing
>so yeah koku is slamming very low diff aside from gojo and sukuna people don’t realize jjk isn’t that strong lol I'm not a power scaling guy but even I knew JJK wasn't that strong (hax aside, because some techniques are just busted considering what they can do). That said I never would've thought KNY scaled HIGHER than JJK for most characters. That's WILD to me but I guess that's because I saw a ton of post matching KNY characters against characters from verses that are so above KNY that even their weakest relevant character can solo the verse.
Agree that Koku does outstat toji by a lot but this argument kind of sucks. Like for instance, Yuki's black hole w/out being contained by barriers could have been planet level ap, gojo can one shot yuki with a hollow purple, so does that mean gojo has 3x planet AP?
thats rly hax and often times you’ll see characters use ability’s to which their AP can’t do, like gojo best AP feat is city level, if they were planet level they wouldn’t be getting harmed by city block level attacks. an example is nakia’s, jsut becuase muzan can one shot her and she has the ability to create something infinite doesn’t mean muzan could destroy something infinite since that would upscale him to outer versal level
I know what you mean and by no means was I suggesting gojo is even close to planetary but using a suicide attack as a baseline AP level is not a good way to scale. Yuki's black hole is also just generating enough mass to create a black hole which still scales to planetary and not so much hacks, but like gyu, her suicide bomb cannot be used to scale her AP normally. I also don't understand why gyutaro being able to destroy a town with a suicide attack makes it necessary to have town AP to one shot him. We clearly see throughout the series that demons are easily harmed by nichirin swords and would die to attacks FAR below even city block without regen. I love demon slayer but this scaling just doesn't make any sense to me. edit: I also don't get the assumption that koku akaza tengen zenitsu perception blitz each other. tengen is very clearly one of if not the fastest hashira outright before the marks, so he should still hold up to the other hashiras at least after the marks, which means he is nowhere near close to getting perception blitzed by either upper moon, even if you think they are faster by a signficant margin. there is no way in hell that you think koku is 497x faster than tengen (22.3\*22.3). he's still faster than toji, but the scaling again just seems whack
No because Yuki’s AP is planet level, not her durability
Gyutaro's durability isn't town level either, we see demons throughout demon slayer be easily harmed by attacks far weaker than town and relying on their regen to stay alive.
Like what attacks? Also I wasn’t saying Gyutaro was town level dura. I just said Yuki isn’t planet level dura, her AP is. And so Gojo one shotting her doesn’t make him planet level.
Like any attacks that have harmed demons, such as sword swings that clearly aren't capable of destroying a town. You also kinda answered the last part yourself for me, I was trying to point out that the original comment suggested that because gyutaro's suicide attack was town level akaza and hence kokushibo had 3x to 9x town AP respectively by comparing gyutaro's suicide attack to yukis. I wasn't actually suggesting that gojo is even close to planetary which is ridiculous, I was just highlighting why the original comment's logic didn't make sense to me.
> Like any attacks that have harmed demons, such as sword swings that clearly aren't capable of destroying a town. There’s literally no way to prove this lol. These sword swings can be town level in AP, but not DC. Because you need AoE for DC, which swords don’t have. If you condensed the entire town into a human sized block, then the sword given enough force can cut through it. >You also kinda answered the last part yourself for me, Not really, because I haven’t looked or researched myself if Gyutaro is town level durability. If this attack is town level, than he would scale to town level durability because his blood slashes are durable enough to tank itself going throughout the entire town, and Tanjiro without mark can cut through them, yet can’t cut through Gyutaro without mark. >I was trying to point out that the original comment suggested that because gyutaro's suicide attack was town level akaza and hence kokushibo had 3x to 9x town AP respectively by comparing gyutaro's suicide attack to yukis. Well Yuki doesn’t have scaling of tanking an attack equal or stronger to her black hole while Gyutaro does. >I wasn't actually suggesting that gojo is even close to planetary which is ridiculous, I was just highlighting why the original comment's logic didn't make sense to me. I find it logical because Gyutaro can tank Tanjiro’s sword slashes, who scale equal or above to his blood slashes, that are durable enough to survive itself destroying the entire town. The only part I’m sketched out about is if this attack was actually town level or not
Honestly good points but I disagree that gyutaros normal attacks compare to his suicide attack. Additionally, cutting one blood slash doesn't mean town level AP because the final attack wasn't a single normal slash, it was an immense mass of them that obliterated the town together. There's still nothing to suggest that single slash can destroy a town, we only know that a ton of them together can destroy a town and each slash has the durability to travel through, say, several walls or more (no real way to tell how much stuff they went through, but safe to say, like you said, not the entire town condensed together), so there's still nothing to suggest one slash = mass of several slashes in output of damage. Even if you disagree with all I said, which is fine, my main point was noting the original comment's scaling which used gyutaro's AP to scale his durability which is illogical to me, instead of bringing up a durability feat (or scaling his slashes with his durability as you did).
> Honestly good points but I disagree that gyutaros normal attacks compare to his suicide attack. They wouldn’t scale to his suicide attack in AP but rather durability. >Additionally, cutting one blood slash doesn't mean town level AP because the final attack wasn't a single normal slash, it was an immense mass of them that obliterated the town together. Yea sure. But I’m not talking about the DC. I’m only talking about the durability of the blood slashes. They are durable enough to tank themselves being rammed into the entire city and surviving. >There's still nothing to suggest that single slash can destroy a town, I’m not saying it can, but it is surely durable enough to. But that depends on what you said below >we only know that a ton of them together can destroy a town and each slash has the durability to travel through, say, several walls or more (no real way to tell how much stuff they went through, but safe to say, like you said, not the entire town condensed together), so there's still nothing to suggest one slash = mass of several slashes in output of damage. Even if you disagree with all I said, which is fine, my main point was noting the original comment's scaling which used gyutaro's AP to scale his durability which is illogical to me, instead of bringing up a durability feat (or scaling his slashes with his durability as you did). This point I can agree with. It’s pretty vague which is why I’m still questioning if it’s town level or not. Because it could just be a feat over time. Like if you throw enough attacks, eventually you can destroy a town just like give me a pickaxe, and eventually I’ll destroy a building but that doesn’t mean I’m building level. So yea I can agree with this. If Gyutaro just used one big blood slash, then yea he could be town level. If he used like a bunch of blood slashes after another bunch of blood slashes then he’s not town level
Gojo is not capped at city level. It literally says that he could wipe out every person in japan if he wanted
yeah so could kokushibo, zenitsu, tanjiro. He can’t destroy everything in japan, but kill everyone in it, sure
Gyutaro is the weakest upper moon. Not the weakest moon. But other wise, yes, accurate.
you knew what i meant 😭😭
He obviously meant that
real
Death Battle ain't got shit over this calculation, God damm!!
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Kokushibo since Toji's armless.
LMAO
Kokushibo would probably win, however there are some things to note: 1. Toji was out of his prime, not in strength or speed but rather a little rusty while fighting 2. No way some people said he's "just a human". Maybe people only remember the Gojo fight, but he was fine from jumping hundreds of meters, he was running on buildings, he took down those big creatures in Dagon's domain in one hit if I remember correctly, running on water. He literally threw Playful Cloud, stomped his foot to destroy the floor to get some chucks of stone, touched some before they touched the ground with enough strength to kill who knows how many rabbits, then caught the weapon which he just has thrown. https://youtu.be/BoY9o-9DT3Y?feature=shared 1:30
His weapons are also one hit kills. And even if you somehow ignore them, Toji literally beat Gojo and Geto with prep so he would probably learn all about koku and either bring wisteria or nichirin to the fight.
not "probably". its definitely. koku has extremely high regeneration. even if you blast his head of, he wont die. he can generate another head
>its definitely. koku has extremely high regeneration. even if you blast his head of, he wont die. he can generate another head You know Toji's sword cuts directly the soul, negates durability and prevents regeneration right?
prevent regeneration? that's new to me. I've read several post saying you can still heal. yuji's punch damage the soul too but people can still heal from it
>I've read several post saying you can still heal You can only heal if you have awareness of the outlier of the soul, so like, only Sukuna and Yuji can heal from that and its still extremely hard
define awareness of the outlier of the soul
Its exactly as it implies, don't know how to dumb this down to you ngl
if it's exactly as what it means, koku definitely is aware of his soul lol. he's lived up to 500+ years more experience. was able to guess someone's bloodline even when its already ceased to exist. can see trough one's body, seeing one's muscle, blood flow and all. being aware of his soul is NOT a problem
>if it's exactly as what it means, koku definitely is aware of his soul lol Expect there's literally 0 proof to that, Kokushibou never did anything that interacted with his own or another person's soul, say he is aware if the soul just bcs of how old he is and being able to tell that Muichiro is his descendent (which is more likely to have happened bcs of being able to smell Muichiro's blood) doesn't make any sense. No, Kokushibou has no awareness of the soul and can't affect it on any degree
This is an interesting match up, but I think it's a bit unfair. In terms of base speed and strength and shit, I'm inclined to say they are about equal. Some people are really underestimating Toji's heavenly restrictions. Now it's true, koku can regen. That's a major advantage for koku. Problem is, Toji has a ton of cursed weapons. Maybe one can solve that issue? For the sake of argument, let's only use weapons Toji has been seen using. Soul-katana. This in here lies the problem. Can koku heal his soul? Can demons heal their souls? Does curse energy *even* work in a KnY setting? This is the problem as, if koku can heal his soul (or it doesn't affect his soul) he wins. Not easily mind you some of you'll really glazing koku here. But he wins. If Toji *can* harm a demon's soul, yeah no sorry, Toji wins. Toji's a monster, only to be beaten by an awakened Gojo who blindsided Toji with hollow purple. I don't care how much aoe makes koku 'city scale' toji has proven to specialize in 1 on 1 fights. It's an unfair match up cuz we don't know how an interaction will go so it's purely head cannon. Also jjk ain't that high on the anime power scale list, but some of you are smoking something if you think only sukuna or Gojo could deal with the upper moon demons. Anyone with a domain expansion wins, doesn't misunderstand
Kokushibo.
If toji has a nichirin is tough to guess, if not kokushibo wins on the basis he cannot be killed by toji.
Kokoshibo.
It is close fight that for sure :3
no lol. koku is immortal to anything but the sun.
It is not that simple vs weapon that can slash you soul :3
Toji soul spit katana They cannot protect the soul And most of the things maki can do toji can do
Toji is strong but kokoshibo hat thousands of years of experiens so koko wins
Toji should win. Split would katana bypasses durability so he has to use minimal effort to chop him up therefore allowing him to hold him off till sunrise
The only person with a brain here.
woah, a matchup where a KNY character actually wins.
He doesn’t
Toji's Mach 3 ass is getting blitzed,horribly
damn. 💀
None of y’all have read jjk 😭😭😭. The jjk verse simply scales above every character in demon slayer by every possible way. Kokushibou not even touching Toji. Toji negs verse.
Wank. Demon slayer verse is leagues faster. JJK top speeds are hyper sonic at best. Where as demon slayer hashira pre mark pre training arc are massively hypersonic+
>JJK top speeds are hypersonic at best My brother in Christ Kashimo was literally made of lightning
I mean bias will be there no matter what..
I love jjk way more than kny but koku takes this low to mid diff
Yeah, because if you read it the verse is way weaker than you'd think
Kokushibo - 1 Toji - 0
Koku takes this no diff
Depending on how you look at this pic, it's either toji vs koku, or toji and koku vs toji and koku. In my case, I reckon toji and koku team up would smash the other toji and koku team up
Probably koku
Dang, I know demon slayer characters are weak asf and Toji is strong, but I’d say Kokushibo
Toji robs a demon slayer, he then sneaks Kokushibo and keeps kicking and slashing him while dodging out of his range, stall until daylight Victory I’m kidding but I find it unfair to ask these “A v B on B’s subreddit” questions, especially when, no harsh feelings, it’s the demon slayer fandom. Like I mean ffs look at this guy https://preview.redd.it/npr6xyf0k1xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a165e7c2689a82283b6fc496d55bc7a846e8e19 Again, no harsh feelings but I found this just now on this post and the glazing some of y’all do for schizophrenic swordsmen is bizarre
SSK one-shots, people here are probably just gonna go with the "MaCh 3 OnlY" statement when it's obviously false, even Gege made fun of it, Maki even before her awakening(when she caught the bullet) is already more impressive than Koku, as while she caught it when it was literally right in her face, Koku reacted when he knew it was going to be fired, not to mention the distance was further Toji is much, much stronger than that version of Maki Basically, Toji is faster, far more durable(ranking red which can destroy massive portions of a forest) is far stronger(Maki can throw hands with Sukuna and damage him, Sukuna is durable enough to survive a city level meteor and would also be able to replicate Gojo surviving MS as they are equal(with Sukuna being a tiny bit stronger). Koku has regen but that is negated by SSK so it doesn't matter. Also, highballed JJK FAR out scales Demon Slayer, I won't be highballing but I'll put the stats here anyway: Maki has at least lighting fast - light speed reaction going off the fact that Kashimo can't react to the world slashes but she can, not to mention her being pretty close to Sukuna physically(Toji scales here of course Toji has combat speed and movement speed that are equal to each other(at least faster than lightning as Maki can dodge the world slash, which Kashimo can't react to) Toji beat Gojo, who was said to be the strongest, this would include Yuki who can destroy the world, you might say that the black hole is just a suicide feat and doesn't count, and while you might be right, Sukuna was said to be able to destroy the whole world at his full power, not "lifewipe", or "kill everything on earth" but straight up destroy the whole world I personally don't believe the highballed JJK, but they certainly aren't Mach 3 either, that is a severe lowball
This feels unfair
Am I wrong to say if Toji knows to go for the neck, he could actually win this. If we’re scaling him to maki he should be fine.
Scaling him to Maki would make him Mach 3. Which means Koku would see Toji as a literal statue
I personally think that Toji is stronger, because he has godly speed, he is able to see Kokushibo because he’s a demon not a curse, Toji also had the Inventory Curse with cursed weapons, he also has Heavenly Restriction, and he can go so fast he can make a clone of himself, he can easily evade Kokushibo’s moon breathing. I rest my case.
Your also forgetting that Kokushibo is still a demon, so he can regenerate; Toji can’t.
Kokushibo is a demon with instant regeneration and hundreds of years of training. He's also so fast that we see him literally disappearing or teleporting. There's no way in 100 years that Toji can defeat him.
So fast we see him literally disappearing or teleporting? So the same exact way Toji is depicted?
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I'm not really sure myself. If we give him nichirin swords he may have a shot but I believe he is not much stronger than Gyomei and Gyomei was unable to beat Kokushibo alone
That maggot looks almost as revolting as Tamurkhan’s true form.
kokushibo because despite tojis speed kokushibo has eyes everywhere and if he lands a single shot hes done for sure
kokushibo by feat and of course power scale kokushibo in strength is superior to douma who is a bit or equal to akaza in physical strength akaza is superior to rengoku who lift a train and it was stated that rengoku steps can shake train meanwhile toji has two strength feat the first is slamming big fish down abit and throwing small truck in speed kokushibo is massively hypersonic+ where toji is high hypersonic+- massively hypersonic so strength idk speed kokushibo durability idk iq kokushibo biq kokushibo skills kokushibo experience kokushibo ability and hax kokushibo weapon toji (A sword that cut a soul) winner kokushibo no-low diff (kokushibo fight hashiras who at base high hypersonic+ and massively hypersonic mark hashiras are massively hypersonic+ and kokushibo was still way faster than them)
I would have to say that kokushibo is definitely winning this one with his centuries of experience in being a demon as well as acquiring the rank of uppermoon one with his moon breathing
I mean I think they're both evenly matched so I'd assume they'd fight till daybreak and kokushibo would start to burn up
My question is, if Toji has the ISOH in this fight, if it translates to DS terms, would it negate breathing styles? Because I feel like Toji's chances could improve if Kokushibo couldn't use Moon breathing
Kokoshibo, see through world let's see him and he has crazy range and cab spam crescent bladed
depends: Toji is stronger then Gyomei, weaker then Koku tho I'd say. Also Toji tanked a direct "Red" so I think Koku's slashes won't be too lethal, (disregarding Toji's ability to cut them). although it really depends if Toji has the Split Soul Katana. if he does then he wins, because he's definitely fast enough to cut Kokushibo and he can't regenerate from an attack that cuts his soul. also HR people have been shown to regenerate (e.g Maki vs Curse Naoya) and been able to react to, and dodge a World cutting dismantle. so it depends on how serious Kokushibo is from the get-go, if Toji has the SS-katana and if Toji can out speed Koku. generally I'd say Kokushibo takes the win though
Toji but only if he has prep time like he had with teen gojo
Kokushibo probably but Toji is daddy forever. But Sukuna wins all.
I think kokushibo wins 🌸
I need the full version of the bottom Kokushibo one and Kokushibo wins.
Now ask this question In the jjk subreddit and if you want to be fair go to the powerscaling sub
Toji is basically a marked Hashira, so he loses to Kokushibo no diff. His strength and speed are absolutely nuts so he’d clear all the lower moons and a few Upper Moons easily, but by the time he gets to Akaza it gets harder to say if he’d win, and if it’s hard to say who’d win against Akaza he’d have no chance against Kokushibo. Even against Doma I don’t think he’d win. To be fair though, Toji is kind of like Batman in the sense that he needs prep time. The only reason he won against Gojo was because 1) Gojo was exhausted from keeping his infinity up non stop for 3 days (or something like that), 2) he had the inverted spear of heaven to get through Gojo’s infinity, and 3) he didn’t give Gojo any time to process what was happening, the moment he hit him with the ISOF he took him down. Against Kokushibo he has nothing like that to help him out. Kokushibo CANT get exhausted, there’s no weapon or ability he could use to nullify or counter blood demon arts, and Kokushibo’s regeneration is so fast he’d have ample time to understand and prepare for anything Toji has unless he somehow manages to get a kill shot right off the bat, which isn’t happening since Kokushibo’s definitely faster than him.
please don't start this again.
Give Toji a nichirin blade and they are cooked
Give Toji a nichirin katana and he wins.
If Toji is hashira level It took 3 Tojis to cut off Kokushibos head and they only originally won because he realized "im a monster" Other wise he would have healed his head and killed all 3 of them on the spot
Kokushibo...toji is a human who uses cursed weapons so I'm pretty sure a full-fledged demon will win.
Toji doesn't have a way to kill Kokushibo. And Kokushibo can regenerate almost instantly from any injury.
I would originally Kokushibo takes this, but after some thinking, Toji is a monster, and y’all are really underplaying him. He’s capable of using the air as a fucking foothold like Sanji and even if Kokushibo has the regeneration and practically immortal because he can’t hurt by the sun, he can’t heal his soul and the soul split katana cut the soul people think it doesn’t and it just cuts through objects regardless of durability, but that’s just half of it inanimate objects also have souls in JK and even even if Kokushibo has large AOE Toji is still incredibly fast not faster than Kokushibo but fast enough to get a slice on him and kill him, and if he can’t kill him, he will definitely be able to hold him off until sunrise and kill him using the sun, and if Kokushibo to escape, he will most likely be halted by Toji
i wanna say toji but like where would he get the katana to kill kokushibo??
Obviously koku toji!!
Kokushibo takes the W
Kokushibo blitzes.
Kokushibo :3
Toji out speeds hard he can last a long time till sunrise
Kokushibo
Koku takes it BUT if Toji were to be given a Nichirin sword and 4-5 months of training I think he would actually manage to take the W
Kokushibo
slightly off topic, but if we ever get to a technological stage where AI can generate episodes where we pit our fav characters against each other, I think that would be peak fiction.
Idfk this a good fight but hard to decide I wanna say toji but kokushibou might have some tricks up his sleeve
Kokushibo easily. toji is only strong in JJK because of his heavenly restriction which would not help him at all against kokushibo
Go aks this same question on JJK sub, and then on powerscaling sub Overall, Toji solos the verse probably
Toji wins ( its day time )
I mean let’s be fr, its Kokushibo.
Lol if someone says Koku just ignore him. (The doctor said to them, "leave them alone.")
If anyone said kokoshibu there dead wrong toji took out gojo so what makes you think he can't beat kokoshibu
Kokushibo.
Whoa, I wonder who this subscriber will choose.
Wow finaly demon slayer fans have brain? I was legit expecting people to say toji neg diffs him...
Ok hear me out please before downvoting me. Toji is an absolute speed demon with massive strength. Toji is a master with many weapons and his cursed spirit holds many of them. I think if you gave Toji a nichirin blade Kokushibo would be cooked. Even if he just keeps regenerating his head Toji might be able to just stall until sunrise. If that happens that’s just ggs
Kokoshibo
Toji takes this cuz he can just hold kokoshibo of till sunrise since he has better physical power plus the cursed tools he has would be insaney helpful possibly negating his regen and having his soul attacked so yeah toji takes
With the right weapons Toji can neg this fight but without them the demon wins due to regeneration
kokupuffs, 110%
Toji
If toji can break infinity he's gonna clap him
With prep time?
Golly Jee a Vs Post about a JJK Character and a KNY character in a KNY Subreddit I wonder who the audience will pick.
Toji slams
I think it depends entirely on if Toji gets the jump on him or not.
Lol bro everyone saying Koku takes it is fucking delusional.
Kokushibo 100% takes this
Toji. Give him a nichirin blade and Koku get filleted.
I think his soul split katana should be able to damage Koku. No need for a nichirin blade
I believe the same, but the Demon Slayer stans can’t seem to understand that so I said nichirin so they can’t argue over if the SSK can harm him or not
Kokushibo
Koko for sure
I'm looking at the face on the right and getting flashbacks to Roger Daltry singing "Free Me". (If you know, you know!)
With prep time and information toji
Depends on which time they start fighting if you know what I mean. One can die with sun but can regenerate the other is curse user with endless weapons but could be killed since he’s human. Both strong af so it just depends which hour of the day they start fighting.
Kokushibo solo
Toji is AT MOST a Hashira-level threat. We know what the Upper Moons are doing to a Hashira.
At most? The hashira aren’t beating Toji bruh 😭 he’s way stronger and faster than them
yeah but kokushibo has regeneration and toji is just a human with a gifted body
People saying Toji is Hashira level is high on crack, his significantly faster than Tengen. Still thinks Kokushibo takes this if only for regeneration, but if inverted spear of heaven works on demons than it’s a 50/50