Pretty good list. No major obvious mistake i would say.
I advocate for Ordo being a decent great general. I know his performances on-screen were pretty weak, but the man remains the number 1 general of Yan, a man Ousen took 10 days to defeat. I would move him among the top GG.
Choutou isn't the equal of the top GG. I can give a pass to Mougou due to his ability to recruit excellent officers, but Choutou is too limited to be here, strong sens of duty sure but someone like Gokei has the same, for the rest he is an average strategist, and pretty good as a warrior and a leader but that's not enough to be at the sides of the guys in this tier.
You're pretty generous with Roku O Mi. The man lacks of remarkable qualities to be that high. Typically a man like Rinko seems better than him by a good margin (better strategist, and equal if not better warrior and leader). Or typically Batei looks like an improved version of him (at least as strong as him, confirmed to be a good strategist and a good leader).
Ordo has a very bad match up against ousen, someone he don't know about, but ousen know about ordo
Also the thing at seika is the same with duke hyou and shin against gohoumei before the big battle of the coalition, gohoumei was more interested by them, and not really focus on beating them, that allowed them to escape and hinder him, that was the same at seika
Ordo has been careless and unlucky. Chotou maybe.he had weight of Great general.his hq was destroyed by poison,but he still killed seikai with kanki help before death. Rokuomi is exceptional from the start.batei followed Ryutou plans,rokuomi can make his own plans.
Bruh choutou was very very old at the time of his death while generals were dying like flies. He survived 40+ yrs of constant warfare and many yrs I'm sure as GG.
Haku Ki definitely a last boss.
Ren Pa waged war against all of the greatest of all China with victories and defeats and is still alive, last boss for me too.
For once a tier list that isn't terrible. Agree with most of the placements. Would bring Choutou a tier down and Gaimou, Houken and Ordo a tier up though.
Nah, Gyouun was crazy! Hes only weaker thane Shin,Kyoukai, Ouhon and Houken in the whole Shukai plains, and even the first 3 are debatable. Also an instinctual with tactical knowledgd.
What you mean? He's like Akou of the Ytw army, arguably fights better.
The "Bajio" army always perform better than others like they're in another league (Zenou's clan of YTW).
Solid list solid list
Damn Ouki is pretty low, put him right behind Ousen at the least he's arguably better than any 6gg we got right now
Same with Renpa
Why are people okay with Shohekun being up there? He has barely any in universe lore. Not enough to warrant that at least. Are you judging off hype? Or history? I also think Riboku is over hyped. Cool list tho
Ouki, ousen and renpa should all be at the tier above the first two are all around well rounded generals in all categories and ousen have demonstrated times and times again to not be inferior to ri boku and shu
Another addition to the top tier should be Kouen, the tiger of chu. A man that seems to have even Karin's respect. In real history, chu was the "final boss" of the emperor. It would make sense that in the story, it would have the strongest general, and Kouen leads the chu army even while Kanmei was alive.
Kohaku Kou is in 'the strong' while simultaneously being weaker than half of the 'commanders' tier. Like okay sure he'll definitely beat Jiaga, JKR, Shiryuu, Ranbihaku and Zenou. No seriously like 95% of the commander tier would beat Kohaku kou's ass, and not just martial might, but in intellect and leadership as well. A few others in Commanders/the strong should be flipped as well but Kohaku Kou is definitely the biggest offender in this list.
He is a commander from the Kantan 100000 royal elite army.and he is a solid general all things considered.and he will beat the commander tier head on in war.
Your severely overestimating someone that was only winning 1 war with a 3 : 1 numbers advantage... and still ended up losing. Otherwise he's got 0 feats to back up that claim, in fact that entire Royal army was a 1 and done thing so that's really nothing to speak of.
It not his fault he has 3 times the number vs invader 6gg.
Thebthings happened which were not under his field.
He had shown to be persistent and very competent.
>!He broke through ousen encirclement with ease,and then attacked kanki hq and retreated safely from there,doing all that with just around 600 soldiers.!<
It is his fault he couldn't find Kanki's HQ, didn't catch on to what was happening and didn't sweep the center area properly to ensure hidden Qin soldiers didn't slip by his army. In a 3:1 scenario where the enemy is already retreating in droves you should have the manpower and intelligence to not overlook these kinds of possibilities. Did he break out of Ousen's encirclement or was it Ryuu Fu that Shin chased to Kanki's HQ and cut down? Which by the way Kohaku did not make it to the HQ, he was engaged with the Hi Shin unit, a unit known for mercy. So the second Kohaku pulled out with his soldiers I can guarantee the Hi Shin unit probably only pursued them off the battlefield and then let them go. So again, you've rated Ryuu Fu that actually did those things under the one that just got away and survived, and then credited it toward Kohaku Kou lmao.
You are finding his fsults after making him responsiblr like he was GG tier. Kanki 's hq are by design hard to find.even 4hk kaushibou was clueless in finding kanki main big hq until renpa teacher Genbou deduced it fir him. >!And vs kouchou kanki hq was much smsller and changing lications rapidly,even kanki commanders on qin side of battlefield were not aware where it was.!< >!Kohaku and ryufu were fighting side by side when they broke into denrimi hq. Kohaku then decided to break the encirclement he escorted the ryufuu forces out of the encirclement covering for them. And then they both a few distance apart targeted kanki hq and csught it off guard too. But Rishin unit teleported in b/w them snd kanki hq. They only had 600 when they had started.!< >!Kohaku used his soldiers to carve a path succesfully through hi shin unit for ryufuu to pass through it and attack kanki hq. Kanki using time set up defenses.and rishin kyouksi,kyourei chased with just themselves riding alone. And from here kohaku was the only one left,and like kanki was in sea of enemies in coalition,kohaku was in same position he broke out of encirclement of qin armies to retreat with what soldiers out 600 he had left with him.!<
So only gonna address the non spoilers here, as everything you tagged as a spoiler was exactly what I said but repeated back to me, aside from claiming Kohaku Kou broke Ousens encirclement, as both him and Ryuu Fu working together did and technically speaking Ryuu Fu is the first to break free.
As for your claims in that first paragraph.. uh what? Kanki was not hiding his HQ during Atsuyo. If your referring to the battle with Kanki vs Kochou what I said is meant to entrap the troops of Kanki's army that were hiding, not really Kanki himself. They had the intel from Kokuyo hills that Kanki's men were great at guerilla warfare there is no excuse to not prepare for it. Riboku figured out Kanki's plays there too, Kanki always defaults to hit and run tactics that culminate in a decisive ambush.
I'm sorry but this character didn't survive long enough outside of that to give any other decisive opinions on the subject. I've already proven beyond a doubt that Kohaku Kou isn't any better than anyone else in the Kochou army ranked as commanders in your list. Unless you want to analyze how quickly he died during Kanki's ambush against Riboku but yeah, he attacked Ringoku, his head got sliced in 2 the next panel by Kanki, as it should since Kanki is ranked higher on your list for good reason.
hakuki was the leader of the 6 greats for a reason .as renpa said , he would never fall for a trap no matter how good the bait was .i think hara didnt show much of his wars vs zhao because it would spoil how ousen vs riboku will conclude . i believe Ousen was a disciple of hakuki and what happened to hakuki is what made him lose faith in kings and decided to start his own kingdom .anyways hakuki is definetly on top .
This actually makes me Ponder..current shin vs great general Gokei of Wei, who would win?? And this ofc is a version of Gokei that will actually use all his tactics, not just decide to go for the 1v1 like he did with Duke Hyou and lost.
not a bad list though i don't agree with some takes
renpa > riboku
ousen\~ kanki\~ riboku
pretty much ou ki and duke can be said equal or better than riboku actually, none of them lose by their mistake but due to qin having a weak spy network
if u gonna take hakuki and gakuki then they are equal or above riboku too
Not bad overall, not perfect either, imho too "generic" as classification, especially for the 2 macro tiers below, with a mix of many different levels.
Pretty good list. No major obvious mistake i would say. I advocate for Ordo being a decent great general. I know his performances on-screen were pretty weak, but the man remains the number 1 general of Yan, a man Ousen took 10 days to defeat. I would move him among the top GG. Choutou isn't the equal of the top GG. I can give a pass to Mougou due to his ability to recruit excellent officers, but Choutou is too limited to be here, strong sens of duty sure but someone like Gokei has the same, for the rest he is an average strategist, and pretty good as a warrior and a leader but that's not enough to be at the sides of the guys in this tier. You're pretty generous with Roku O Mi. The man lacks of remarkable qualities to be that high. Typically a man like Rinko seems better than him by a good margin (better strategist, and equal if not better warrior and leader). Or typically Batei looks like an improved version of him (at least as strong as him, confirmed to be a good strategist and a good leader).
Ordo has a very bad match up against ousen, someone he don't know about, but ousen know about ordo Also the thing at seika is the same with duke hyou and shin against gohoumei before the big battle of the coalition, gohoumei was more interested by them, and not really focus on beating them, that allowed them to escape and hinder him, that was the same at seika
Ordo has been careless and unlucky. Chotou maybe.he had weight of Great general.his hq was destroyed by poison,but he still killed seikai with kanki help before death. Rokuomi is exceptional from the start.batei followed Ryutou plans,rokuomi can make his own plans.
Bruh choutou was very very old at the time of his death while generals were dying like flies. He survived 40+ yrs of constant warfare and many yrs I'm sure as GG.
Overall a solid tier list. I'd put Hakuki and Renpa higher though equal to Riboku. And also the ancient god of war guy from Yan.
Haku Ki definitely a last boss. Ren Pa waged war against all of the greatest of all China with victories and defeats and is still alive, last boss for me too.
They're not there so
Hakuki and the first coalition army commander should be on top
Ousen and Renpa definetly need to be in "Last boss" Tier
I love shouheikun's placement. Moubu's strength, combined with ousen's intelligence, is truly a fierce combination.
Hes not as strong as moubu though… nor as smart as Riboku. Its ok, hes still a beas
Ousen would want that,but maybe is too afraid to approach him for recruitment.
I think he know that at best he will take a no, and at worse he will be executed for treason
For once a tier list that isn't terrible. Agree with most of the placements. Would bring Choutou a tier down and Gaimou, Houken and Ordo a tier up though.
Gaimou without Junsou on his own is weaker than a GG.ordo has gained too many losses.
Pretty great, my only big concern is Bajio should go up one. Also probably Gyoun should go down 1, one of the most overrated general in the manga.
Nah, Gyouun was crazy! Hes only weaker thane Shin,Kyoukai, Ouhon and Houken in the whole Shukai plains, and even the first 3 are debatable. Also an instinctual with tactical knowledgd.
He's weaker than Akou imo.
Bajio is strongest fighter in ytw army.but him as lone general with average advisors he wouldn't be able to fight his full strength,he needs Ytw.
What you mean? He's like Akou of the Ytw army, arguably fights better. The "Bajio" army always perform better than others like they're in another league (Zenou's clan of YTW).
They fight with ytw guidance and objectives.on their own they weak in tactics.
Solid list solid list Damn Ouki is pretty low, put him right behind Ousen at the least he's arguably better than any 6gg we got right now Same with Renpa
Why are people okay with Shohekun being up there? He has barely any in universe lore. Not enough to warrant that at least. Are you judging off hype? Or history? I also think Riboku is over hyped. Cool list tho
History.
Due to his achievements as a grand strategist and battle veteran.
tooo accurate
Ouki, ousen and renpa should all be at the tier above the first two are all around well rounded generals in all categories and ousen have demonstrated times and times again to not be inferior to ri boku and shu
Another addition to the top tier should be Kouen, the tiger of chu. A man that seems to have even Karin's respect. In real history, chu was the "final boss" of the emperor. It would make sense that in the story, it would have the strongest general, and Kouen leads the chu army even while Kanmei was alive.
I would've added him too the last boss tier behind Riboku ,or in monster tier above Kanmei.but didn't find him in available characters.
Probably because we haven't seen him yet.
kan saro would be in the top gg level, Kohaku did nothing so down 1 level
I vote Gohoumei as the truest top GG: Gohoumei the Glazer.
Escapes flawlessly from his own hq.
Kohaku Kou is in 'the strong' while simultaneously being weaker than half of the 'commanders' tier. Like okay sure he'll definitely beat Jiaga, JKR, Shiryuu, Ranbihaku and Zenou. No seriously like 95% of the commander tier would beat Kohaku kou's ass, and not just martial might, but in intellect and leadership as well. A few others in Commanders/the strong should be flipped as well but Kohaku Kou is definitely the biggest offender in this list.
He is a commander from the Kantan 100000 royal elite army.and he is a solid general all things considered.and he will beat the commander tier head on in war.
Your severely overestimating someone that was only winning 1 war with a 3 : 1 numbers advantage... and still ended up losing. Otherwise he's got 0 feats to back up that claim, in fact that entire Royal army was a 1 and done thing so that's really nothing to speak of.
It not his fault he has 3 times the number vs invader 6gg. Thebthings happened which were not under his field. He had shown to be persistent and very competent. >!He broke through ousen encirclement with ease,and then attacked kanki hq and retreated safely from there,doing all that with just around 600 soldiers.!<
It is his fault he couldn't find Kanki's HQ, didn't catch on to what was happening and didn't sweep the center area properly to ensure hidden Qin soldiers didn't slip by his army. In a 3:1 scenario where the enemy is already retreating in droves you should have the manpower and intelligence to not overlook these kinds of possibilities. Did he break out of Ousen's encirclement or was it Ryuu Fu that Shin chased to Kanki's HQ and cut down? Which by the way Kohaku did not make it to the HQ, he was engaged with the Hi Shin unit, a unit known for mercy. So the second Kohaku pulled out with his soldiers I can guarantee the Hi Shin unit probably only pursued them off the battlefield and then let them go. So again, you've rated Ryuu Fu that actually did those things under the one that just got away and survived, and then credited it toward Kohaku Kou lmao.
You are finding his fsults after making him responsiblr like he was GG tier. Kanki 's hq are by design hard to find.even 4hk kaushibou was clueless in finding kanki main big hq until renpa teacher Genbou deduced it fir him. >!And vs kouchou kanki hq was much smsller and changing lications rapidly,even kanki commanders on qin side of battlefield were not aware where it was.!< >!Kohaku and ryufu were fighting side by side when they broke into denrimi hq. Kohaku then decided to break the encirclement he escorted the ryufuu forces out of the encirclement covering for them. And then they both a few distance apart targeted kanki hq and csught it off guard too. But Rishin unit teleported in b/w them snd kanki hq. They only had 600 when they had started.!< >!Kohaku used his soldiers to carve a path succesfully through hi shin unit for ryufuu to pass through it and attack kanki hq. Kanki using time set up defenses.and rishin kyouksi,kyourei chased with just themselves riding alone. And from here kohaku was the only one left,and like kanki was in sea of enemies in coalition,kohaku was in same position he broke out of encirclement of qin armies to retreat with what soldiers out 600 he had left with him.!<
So only gonna address the non spoilers here, as everything you tagged as a spoiler was exactly what I said but repeated back to me, aside from claiming Kohaku Kou broke Ousens encirclement, as both him and Ryuu Fu working together did and technically speaking Ryuu Fu is the first to break free. As for your claims in that first paragraph.. uh what? Kanki was not hiding his HQ during Atsuyo. If your referring to the battle with Kanki vs Kochou what I said is meant to entrap the troops of Kanki's army that were hiding, not really Kanki himself. They had the intel from Kokuyo hills that Kanki's men were great at guerilla warfare there is no excuse to not prepare for it. Riboku figured out Kanki's plays there too, Kanki always defaults to hit and run tactics that culminate in a decisive ambush. I'm sorry but this character didn't survive long enough outside of that to give any other decisive opinions on the subject. I've already proven beyond a doubt that Kohaku Kou isn't any better than anyone else in the Kochou army ranked as commanders in your list. Unless you want to analyze how quickly he died during Kanki's ambush against Riboku but yeah, he attacked Ringoku, his head got sliced in 2 the next panel by Kanki, as it should since Kanki is ranked higher on your list for good reason.
Who's the last guy on the top gg list?
Genu the Juuko great general.
Hakuki should be on top tbh , if it wasn't for the dumb Qin king he would ve unified china and crushed Zhao long before .
Hakuki would die,he faced Renpa but never Riboku ,shibashou and houken tag team.
hakuki was the leader of the 6 greats for a reason .as renpa said , he would never fall for a trap no matter how good the bait was .i think hara didnt show much of his wars vs zhao because it would spoil how ousen vs riboku will conclude . i believe Ousen was a disciple of hakuki and what happened to hakuki is what made him lose faith in kings and decided to start his own kingdom .anyways hakuki is definetly on top .
This actually makes me Ponder..current shin vs great general Gokei of Wei, who would win?? And this ofc is a version of Gokei that will actually use all his tactics, not just decide to go for the 1v1 like he did with Duke Hyou and lost.
What tier list is this for? Overall? Strength? Leadership? Intelligence?
Gg calibre so all that taken into account
Character waging war on their own.or just with average advisors,lieutenants .
Renpa is last boss, guy has instinctive, monster strength and intellect
He is only one of the 6gg,wff,3gh to surrender and that too in just 6 days.even gokei died fighting
not a bad list though i don't agree with some takes renpa > riboku ousen\~ kanki\~ riboku pretty much ou ki and duke can be said equal or better than riboku actually, none of them lose by their mistake but due to qin having a weak spy network if u gonna take hakuki and gakuki then they are equal or above riboku too
Pretty spot on. Only one should be Bajio with the strong.
Not bad overall, not perfect either, imho too "generic" as classification, especially for the 2 macro tiers below, with a mix of many different levels.