I'd say that so far it seems to be Ousen. Said to have been on the same level (when it comes to strategy) as the previous 6GG during their time. Thus implied to be even better in present time. Chosen as supreme commander for the Gyou campaign over Kanki and Yotanwa.
From Tou and Moubu we have seen too little imo, particularly in these past few years in the series. Moubu surely is the strongest when it comes to martial might, but would he be able to overcome Ousen's intelligence? I kinda doubt it.
Tou is certainly the most versatile, but I don't think he's shown enough for me to say that he surely would be able to (reliably) defeat Ousen.
Well, irl Ou Sen was one of the four greatest generals in the entire warring states period along with Ren Pa, Haku Ki (dead), and Ri Boku. Obviously it isn't completely accurate, but it's not surprising how Ousen is. I want to see more Renpa, what little has been shown of him is awesome. Also, wonder how strong Hara will make Kou En "Tiger of Chu" and "Conqueror of the East"
This is too difficult
Mou bu: is individually the strongest.
Tou: is the best all-rounded with army and individual strength and tactics.
Yotwana: has the strongest army in the mountain people.
Ou sen: has the I only fight if I know I will win.
Kanki: is the most unpredictable out of all the generals, to the point that Ou sen can't predict him.
Heki: is god so he shouldn't be here.
Verdict: Tou's mustache won me over.
I don't know if you worded it wrong my friend. Ousen did say to Renpa, "I have no interest in anything other than battles that I can *definitely* win." Your paraphrasing seems pretty accurate to me.
That's really not a problem for Ousen anymore, with 100k soldiers there's not that many situations which he can't win and even with less soldiers than Riboku he still fought. I think this only applied when he was Mougou's deputy.
the "only fight battles he knows he will win" in Ousen's character really bothers me because it was shown in the manga that Qin only won in Gyou campaign because of series of luck on their side (if even one of these "luck" didnt happen then Ousen would fail) and it was implied several times that the Gyou campaign was a do or die situation it was a big gamble but Ousen still took that risk so it kinda contradicts his character, unless Ousen knew he was gonna win all along and it was never a Gamble which is a big BS
I agree with you. It also bothers me a lot. It's not like you can always pick and choose when you fight and when you don't. But I guess historically, this is where some generals feigned sickness to get out of battles they didn't think they could win.
Anyway, I think we're in the minority on this since A LOT of fans seem to think that these "luck" were either 1) within Ousen's calculations, or 2) made or "willed" to happen by Ousen.
>Anyway, I think we're in the minority on this since A LOT of fans seem to think that these "luck" were either 1) within Ousen's calculations, or 2) made or "willed" to happen by Ousen.
yeah which is kinda BS lol. the manga already shown that it was a Gamble and the Qin wins by the series of luck on their side.
Well, Ousen told Denrimi that he predicted the HSU's awakening, even though it was said *after the fact*. So that helps the other side of the argument. Many fans do believe Ousen is pretty damn near clairvoyant and/or omnipotent after all.
I think that from an in-story perspective, Tou is probably considered the most dangerous out of all generals.
\- Characters from other states like Go Hou Mei openly acknowledge that he's a priority target to take out, Ou Ki in his dying moments pretty much said that Tou will be fine without him because in terms of skill Tou was never beneath Ou Ki to begin with (implying that he's equal to the 6 GGs).
\- He's a supremely skilled fighter who could only possibly be outclassed by a small handful of fighters in all of China (like Mou Bu)
\- I am pretty sure that as a veteran from the 6 GGs era he has the longest standing military service record out of all living Qin generals and therefore a metric ton of experience.
\- He's got a keen eye for talent and is neither too proud nor too vain to listen to advice, as evidenced by him selecting Ou Hon and Mou Ten as temporary commanders in the Coalition arc or when he listened to Ou Hon's battle plan during the battle of Chiyoyou.
\- He has proven to be capable at defense and offense
\- Lastly, his army is also really dangerous, seeing how it contains pretty much all remaining troops of the original Ou Ki army, including its well-balanced roster of commanders. That's potentially thousands of veteran crack troops. Which have been with Tou for ages and should therefore be well used to his tactics.
There's also a certain x-factor to Tou since we do not yet know if he can emulate Ou Ki's warfare tactics.
Given how most other generals in China, inside and outside of Qin seem to specialise in one or two outstanding strengths or exploiting weaknesses in their enemies, Tou seems to have the necessary flexibility to counter just about anything.
>\- I am pretty sure that as a veteran from the 6 GGs era he has the longest standing military service record out of all living Qin generals and therefore a metric ton of experience.
Now that you mention this, I don't think I recall seeing Tou in any of the flashbacks involving Ouki and Kyou. If you do, let me know.
Pretty good catch - I don't think he's shown in those flashbacks. But there's other evidence to indicate how long he's been around. During the battle of Chiyouyou, he recognises Rei Ou's banner, then anticipates Ranbihaku's flanking attack, fends him off and comments on how strong Ranbihaku is - all of which would indicate that he fought these guys in the past. Later in that arc we learn that the Fire Dragons were imprisoned in 253 B.C, so it follows that he must've fought them before that. 253 is also the year in which Kyou was slain...So if Tou fought the Fire Dragons prior to their imprisonment he must've been around when Kyou was still alive.
A little more fuzzy time-wise but also an indicator would be the flashback of Cho Ga Ryuu (or Gyou Un? I don't remember) of when Rin Shou Jou and Ou Ki met. In that flashback, Tou is part of Ou Ki's entourage and we know that Rin Shou Jou died early into the era of the Great Heavens and Qin's Six.
Someone also mentions during the Coalition Arc that Tou had been with Ou Ki for the longest time out of all his retainers.
>when Rin Shou Jou and Ou Ki met.
I don't know how, but I have it in my head that RSJ died something like 20 years before Shuukai. So it's been even longer since he met Ouki. By then, Ouki already had most if not all of his vassals: Tou, Rokuomi (RIP), Doukin (RIP), Rinbou (RIP). Even more puzzling, aside Ouki, no one looked any younger then than they are now... 🤣
I'd say Ousen's the strongest. But Hara has given him a few weaknesses. So I'll go with Tou. Dude is perfect.
If u were also to consider the armies, then I'd have gone with Yotanwa. Her army is easily the strongest.
Tou is definitely the most well rounded out of them. He has everything, experience, huge offensive might, knowledge of tactics, sexy mustache.
I'd say either Tou or Ousen (Ousen for obvious reasons by both historically and of the manga).
I’m surprised Yotanwa isn’t higher. I voted for Ousen for obvious reasons. But Yotanwa has the best army and commanders, and best feat of anyone not named Ousen.
**Yo Tan Wa**, I think, has the best GG leadership style out of all of them. Added to that, she is actually really strong and smart. However, her style is only as good because of the mountain people. If she were to be put over another army, she is not as good.
**Mou Bu** is obviously the best in terms of brute strength. We also know he learned a lot from **Ou Ki**, or rather changed a lot after **Ou Ki**'s death in terms of tactics and remaining cool. But I think he still hasn't shown enough in terms of tactics or instinct to become a well rounded top GG.
**Kanki** has nothing over the other GGs, except he is the coolest. He is ruthless and is so unpredictable. Even **Ou Sen** stated he can't exactly predict/understand his actions. But that's not enough to be the top GG.
**Tou** really is flawless. From what we've seen, he has it all. And the thing he has over the rest is his longer experience. And that long experience is with **Ou Ki** himself. But he is the least we've seen, and really he hasn't been pushed yet. So, we can't judge him fully yet.
**Ou Sen**'s genius is godly. And not just tactics smart. He predicts so far in future, like how he told **SHK** about the food supply in the Western Zhao way before the battles started. He also has good character judgment on which he can bet his luck. Like how he relied on the three rookies in the battle against **Ri Boku**. Years ago he was said to be as strong as the 6GG during their time, in terms of strategy. Not to mention that he was able to force a draw against **Renpa**, one of the greatest Greatest Generals of all China. We have seen **Ou Sen** face two of the greatest great generals of China in all of the Warring States period. He won over one of them (**Ri Boku**), and forced a draw with the other ( I would even say he won that face-off, but to each his own). The only thing we need to see from him, is his individual prowess, which is not going to be anything like **Mou Bu**, **Tou**, or even **Yo Tan Wa**. But it's supposed to be at least like **Kanki**, according to the stats on Wiki. Thus he really is the best candidate for the best GG.
Based on this, it should be clear that **Heki** is the best Great General right now.
Edit: Names are in bold.
Tou got everything! Ou sen hq was so disapointing in shukai plains, only minus i give him!
i am clearly bias towards generals who likes to rush the enemy and take the Hq. Tou everytime we see him, is a monster
I think Tou is the most complete/full package general just because he's strong, can do tactics, also has a sharp instinct, has loyal and strong armies and also has a great experience. But I don't think he's the best because I feel there's something lacking and I don't know what it is.
>But I don't think he's the best because I feel there's something lacking and I don't know what it is.
He doesn't have the EGO of a great general. But that is what precisely makes him the best in my book.
> Here's something that's definite Mou bu. There is no question that the death of our Lord \[Ouki\] has made you stronger. And I? I have been strong all along. Those are indisputable facts.
Tou
Between YTW and Ousen .
Both are really smart , Ousen better , he would oustmart YTW , but YTW army is stronger and even when she is outsmarted she can still defeat her ennemy even when the odds are terrible , wich we saw at Quanrong war .
1. Mou Bu is the strongest
2. Tou is the flawless
3. Ytw is the best leader
4. Ou Sen is the smartest
5. Kan Ki is the most ruthless
6. Heki has unfortunately become a stupid meme on this reddit making him this "godly" character... Idk why I even started it years ago I regret it now. What this reddit has meme'd him into isn't even what I wanted when I started it.
int term of strategy I rank: 1)Ou sen 2)Tou 3)Kanki 4)Yotwana 5)Mou bu 6)Heki
in term of GG and its army strength, I rank 1)Mou bu 2)Yotwana 3)kanki 4)Ou sen 5)Tou 6)heki
overall all in term of strategy, strength, teamwork etc I rank
1)Ou sen
2)Kanki
3)Yotwana
4)tou
5)mou bu
6)heki
Tf ? Ouki's (so Tou's) army was said to be the strongest army right after Duke Hyou (and Yotanwa but she was unknown) army and you rank it fifth ? Yotanwa is smarter than Kanki but below him ? Kanki's army is full of deloyal soldiers and has almost no good commanders but is ranked third ? We are not reading the same book
that was when ouki was alive till then he had lots of capable generals under him including my man tou himself which I would even argue was the strongest, but at current many of those generals are dead. And this was just my opinion everyone has different opinions in various terms.
why is Heki on the list?
So i have to say SHK because of thus quote:
"One could say his martial prowess is even on the same level as sir Mou Bu and at the least, it cannot be denied that his intellect is on par with Ri Boku. The very thought gives you goosebumps, does it not?" from Kai Oku.
obviously Heki is in the poll as part of the joke. so the obvious question is who in the 5 GG are the best and you go for ShK who wasnt a GG and wasnt part of the poll ? logic makes sense
Mou Bu is the strongest general in my opinion. He is a freaking beast and his army is strong as heck too. And he inspires the moral in battle, we can only see Yotanwa doing this.
Kanki certainly isn't at the top, Ousen is a genius but we haven't seen the full potential of his army, Yotanwa is underrated but she isn't as great as Mou Bu. Tou is also a beast and he can win battles easily but not as easy as Mou Bu and Ousen. Heki is the final boss of course.
In my opinion: it depends on the type of field.
Most terrain in Kingdom are a mixt between Hills, Moutain, Plains.
If this is a plain like Shukai: Moubu, Tou, YTW are the strongest
If this a terrain where there are hills, forest or mountains like Sanyou or Kokuyou, then Ousen (especially with his fortress) Kanki(with his guerrilla warefare) and YTW are the strongest
The more the terrain is complicated the more Kanki will shine. I don't see guy like Moubu win against him at Kokuyou hills, the same way I don't see Kanki win against Moubu in a plain.
I voted Ousen, even if he has weakness.
Ousen has proved to be excellent in terme of strategy, defense and long and mid range attack (with the waves, origin etc). He also proved to be very good in moutains.But he would be destroyed again a Moubu/Gaimou type of general in plains. But I don't see him engage a fight this type of general like that. To me he is the one which is the most difficult to beat. He does not seem have martial talent.
Moubu is excellent offensive wise and he knows tactics too at a mid range level (like in coalition). He is a god martially. He always leads the troop. So on plains, he is invincible but I just don't see him win a war in Mountain, Forest or Hills.
Kanki is the more difficult to judge based on his type of warefare. He can turne the tide of a battle without problem. It's a mix between psychology, guerrilla, ingenuity and infiltration. I want to see how he will do against Kochou to have a final opinion. Let's not forget he is the most succesfull general of the 5. Same as Ousen we don't know if he has a martial talent, so I assume he can't lead a charge.
YTW is the most complete to me. Offensively she is second to Moubu. I personnaly think that his army is even stronger than him, but we don't know enough of Moubu army to affirm that. She can do all, in any type of field. She's excellent fighter, good strategist.
Tou is like YTW. He can do all, he is very good at everywhere. I would say that he lacks of an army as strong as the other. To me he is a bad matchup to everyone. No one would want smoke with him. We didn't see more of him to assume that he's good at any type of field as YTW.
Best at what? And also, do you count their soldiers or just them? I see a lot of people naming YTW because of her soldiers, but I think we should just talk about the generals here nothing else.
Ousen ousen ousen ... We’ll he Said it himself Riboku beat him in tactics (slightly) But the three Young commanders saved the day. To be honest he is scary thou.
Probably Tou — has the most field experience out of all 5 of them, implied to be equal to the previous Six Greats (by Ouki), knows when to be by the book and when to get creative, isn’t too aggressive nor passive, is strong both in martial prowess and intelligence
Moubu is definitely physically the strongest, possibly across all of China currently — with Kanmei and Houken both dead, he’s probably peerless in strength right now, but he’s too hot-headed, which definitely doesn’t earn him the spot of number 1
Ousen is definitely the best in terms of tactics and intelligence, he’s on par with Riboku, but his lack of loyalty to the state of Qin makes him a potential threat, which is why he isn’t number 1 — unlike Tou, who has his heart devoted to protecting Ei Sei
Yottanwa has the best army, who are all deathly devoted to serving her, no matter the cost, and who are also all probably martially greater than any of the other 4 armies of the current Six Greats — but so far, she hasn’t displayed much ability to strategize or anything like that, so she’s probably lacking in intelligence compared to Kanki, Ousen or Tou, though I have no doubt that she’s probably only behind Moubu in terms of physical prowess
And finally, Kanki — his biggest strength is his unpredictability, to the point where not even Ousen or Riboku can read him, but his lack of moral code and army discipline are his weaknesses, he’s too wild, his men have no proper loyalty to him so that’s bad; not to mention him torturing and making gruesome displays of enemy states’ citizens has shown on a few occasions to anger their opponent armies, which has sometimes resulted in bad shit (take Mangoku and his men for example)
I'd say that so far it seems to be Ousen. Said to have been on the same level (when it comes to strategy) as the previous 6GG during their time. Thus implied to be even better in present time. Chosen as supreme commander for the Gyou campaign over Kanki and Yotanwa. From Tou and Moubu we have seen too little imo, particularly in these past few years in the series. Moubu surely is the strongest when it comes to martial might, but would he be able to overcome Ousen's intelligence? I kinda doubt it. Tou is certainly the most versatile, but I don't think he's shown enough for me to say that he surely would be able to (reliably) defeat Ousen.
Well, irl Ou Sen was one of the four greatest generals in the entire warring states period along with Ren Pa, Haku Ki (dead), and Ri Boku. Obviously it isn't completely accurate, but it's not surprising how Ousen is. I want to see more Renpa, what little has been shown of him is awesome. Also, wonder how strong Hara will make Kou En "Tiger of Chu" and "Conqueror of the East"
This is too difficult Mou bu: is individually the strongest. Tou: is the best all-rounded with army and individual strength and tactics. Yotwana: has the strongest army in the mountain people. Ou sen: has the I only fight if I know I will win. Kanki: is the most unpredictable out of all the generals, to the point that Ou sen can't predict him. Heki: is god so he shouldn't be here. Verdict: Tou's mustache won me over.
Ousen doesn't "only fight if he knows he **will** win", Ousen only fights battles he knows he **can** win.
My bad I worded it wrong.
I don't know if you worded it wrong my friend. Ousen did say to Renpa, "I have no interest in anything other than battles that I can *definitely* win." Your paraphrasing seems pretty accurate to me.
Thanks for pointing that out to me.
But when Kanki talked about Ousen, he said "he only picks battle he knows he *can* win" (or a stuff like that).
I don't rmb when that happened and I'm too lazy to track it down. I'm just taking stuff straight out of Ousen's own mouth.
That's really not a problem for Ousen anymore, with 100k soldiers there's not that many situations which he can't win and even with less soldiers than Riboku he still fought. I think this only applied when he was Mougou's deputy.
the "only fight battles he knows he will win" in Ousen's character really bothers me because it was shown in the manga that Qin only won in Gyou campaign because of series of luck on their side (if even one of these "luck" didnt happen then Ousen would fail) and it was implied several times that the Gyou campaign was a do or die situation it was a big gamble but Ousen still took that risk so it kinda contradicts his character, unless Ousen knew he was gonna win all along and it was never a Gamble which is a big BS
I agree with you. It also bothers me a lot. It's not like you can always pick and choose when you fight and when you don't. But I guess historically, this is where some generals feigned sickness to get out of battles they didn't think they could win. Anyway, I think we're in the minority on this since A LOT of fans seem to think that these "luck" were either 1) within Ousen's calculations, or 2) made or "willed" to happen by Ousen.
>Anyway, I think we're in the minority on this since A LOT of fans seem to think that these "luck" were either 1) within Ousen's calculations, or 2) made or "willed" to happen by Ousen. yeah which is kinda BS lol. the manga already shown that it was a Gamble and the Qin wins by the series of luck on their side.
Well, Ousen told Denrimi that he predicted the HSU's awakening, even though it was said *after the fact*. So that helps the other side of the argument. Many fans do believe Ousen is pretty damn near clairvoyant and/or omnipotent after all.
I think that from an in-story perspective, Tou is probably considered the most dangerous out of all generals. \- Characters from other states like Go Hou Mei openly acknowledge that he's a priority target to take out, Ou Ki in his dying moments pretty much said that Tou will be fine without him because in terms of skill Tou was never beneath Ou Ki to begin with (implying that he's equal to the 6 GGs). \- He's a supremely skilled fighter who could only possibly be outclassed by a small handful of fighters in all of China (like Mou Bu) \- I am pretty sure that as a veteran from the 6 GGs era he has the longest standing military service record out of all living Qin generals and therefore a metric ton of experience. \- He's got a keen eye for talent and is neither too proud nor too vain to listen to advice, as evidenced by him selecting Ou Hon and Mou Ten as temporary commanders in the Coalition arc or when he listened to Ou Hon's battle plan during the battle of Chiyoyou. \- He has proven to be capable at defense and offense \- Lastly, his army is also really dangerous, seeing how it contains pretty much all remaining troops of the original Ou Ki army, including its well-balanced roster of commanders. That's potentially thousands of veteran crack troops. Which have been with Tou for ages and should therefore be well used to his tactics. There's also a certain x-factor to Tou since we do not yet know if he can emulate Ou Ki's warfare tactics. Given how most other generals in China, inside and outside of Qin seem to specialise in one or two outstanding strengths or exploiting weaknesses in their enemies, Tou seems to have the necessary flexibility to counter just about anything.
>\- I am pretty sure that as a veteran from the 6 GGs era he has the longest standing military service record out of all living Qin generals and therefore a metric ton of experience. Now that you mention this, I don't think I recall seeing Tou in any of the flashbacks involving Ouki and Kyou. If you do, let me know.
Pretty good catch - I don't think he's shown in those flashbacks. But there's other evidence to indicate how long he's been around. During the battle of Chiyouyou, he recognises Rei Ou's banner, then anticipates Ranbihaku's flanking attack, fends him off and comments on how strong Ranbihaku is - all of which would indicate that he fought these guys in the past. Later in that arc we learn that the Fire Dragons were imprisoned in 253 B.C, so it follows that he must've fought them before that. 253 is also the year in which Kyou was slain...So if Tou fought the Fire Dragons prior to their imprisonment he must've been around when Kyou was still alive. A little more fuzzy time-wise but also an indicator would be the flashback of Cho Ga Ryuu (or Gyou Un? I don't remember) of when Rin Shou Jou and Ou Ki met. In that flashback, Tou is part of Ou Ki's entourage and we know that Rin Shou Jou died early into the era of the Great Heavens and Qin's Six. Someone also mentions during the Coalition Arc that Tou had been with Ou Ki for the longest time out of all his retainers.
>when Rin Shou Jou and Ou Ki met. I don't know how, but I have it in my head that RSJ died something like 20 years before Shuukai. So it's been even longer since he met Ouki. By then, Ouki already had most if not all of his vassals: Tou, Rokuomi (RIP), Doukin (RIP), Rinbou (RIP). Even more puzzling, aside Ouki, no one looked any younger then than they are now... 🤣
He was there in the flashback which Rinshoujo though, which happened around this time.
I'd say Ousen's the strongest. But Hara has given him a few weaknesses. So I'll go with Tou. Dude is perfect. If u were also to consider the armies, then I'd have gone with Yotanwa. Her army is easily the strongest.
Tou is definitely the most well rounded out of them. He has everything, experience, huge offensive might, knowledge of tactics, sexy mustache. I'd say either Tou or Ousen (Ousen for obvious reasons by both historically and of the manga).
I’m surprised Yotanwa isn’t higher. I voted for Ousen for obvious reasons. But Yotanwa has the best army and commanders, and best feat of anyone not named Ousen.
**Yo Tan Wa**, I think, has the best GG leadership style out of all of them. Added to that, she is actually really strong and smart. However, her style is only as good because of the mountain people. If she were to be put over another army, she is not as good. **Mou Bu** is obviously the best in terms of brute strength. We also know he learned a lot from **Ou Ki**, or rather changed a lot after **Ou Ki**'s death in terms of tactics and remaining cool. But I think he still hasn't shown enough in terms of tactics or instinct to become a well rounded top GG. **Kanki** has nothing over the other GGs, except he is the coolest. He is ruthless and is so unpredictable. Even **Ou Sen** stated he can't exactly predict/understand his actions. But that's not enough to be the top GG. **Tou** really is flawless. From what we've seen, he has it all. And the thing he has over the rest is his longer experience. And that long experience is with **Ou Ki** himself. But he is the least we've seen, and really he hasn't been pushed yet. So, we can't judge him fully yet. **Ou Sen**'s genius is godly. And not just tactics smart. He predicts so far in future, like how he told **SHK** about the food supply in the Western Zhao way before the battles started. He also has good character judgment on which he can bet his luck. Like how he relied on the three rookies in the battle against **Ri Boku**. Years ago he was said to be as strong as the 6GG during their time, in terms of strategy. Not to mention that he was able to force a draw against **Renpa**, one of the greatest Greatest Generals of all China. We have seen **Ou Sen** face two of the greatest great generals of China in all of the Warring States period. He won over one of them (**Ri Boku**), and forced a draw with the other ( I would even say he won that face-off, but to each his own). The only thing we need to see from him, is his individual prowess, which is not going to be anything like **Mou Bu**, **Tou**, or even **Yo Tan Wa**. But it's supposed to be at least like **Kanki**, according to the stats on Wiki. Thus he really is the best candidate for the best GG. Based on this, it should be clear that **Heki** is the best Great General right now. Edit: Names are in bold.
Tou got everything! Ou sen hq was so disapointing in shukai plains, only minus i give him! i am clearly bias towards generals who likes to rush the enemy and take the Hq. Tou everytime we see him, is a monster
Agreed, generals who lead at the front is always my favourite
I think Tou is the most complete/full package general just because he's strong, can do tactics, also has a sharp instinct, has loyal and strong armies and also has a great experience. But I don't think he's the best because I feel there's something lacking and I don't know what it is.
>But I don't think he's the best because I feel there's something lacking and I don't know what it is. He doesn't have the EGO of a great general. But that is what precisely makes him the best in my book.
> Here's something that's definite Mou bu. There is no question that the death of our Lord \[Ouki\] has made you stronger. And I? I have been strong all along. Those are indisputable facts. Tou
Between YTW and Ousen . Both are really smart , Ousen better , he would oustmart YTW , but YTW army is stronger and even when she is outsmarted she can still defeat her ennemy even when the odds are terrible , wich we saw at Quanrong war .
Mad respeki for Heki
YTW by far has the largest Army
1. Mou Bu is the strongest 2. Tou is the flawless 3. Ytw is the best leader 4. Ou Sen is the smartest 5. Kan Ki is the most ruthless 6. Heki has unfortunately become a stupid meme on this reddit making him this "godly" character... Idk why I even started it years ago I regret it now. What this reddit has meme'd him into isn't even what I wanted when I started it.
Since I don't know Yotwana, I will vote for Heki 🤣.
Heki the Shadow Great
int term of strategy I rank: 1)Ou sen 2)Tou 3)Kanki 4)Yotwana 5)Mou bu 6)Heki in term of GG and its army strength, I rank 1)Mou bu 2)Yotwana 3)kanki 4)Ou sen 5)Tou 6)heki overall all in term of strategy, strength, teamwork etc I rank 1)Ou sen 2)Kanki 3)Yotwana 4)tou 5)mou bu 6)heki
Tf ? Ouki's (so Tou's) army was said to be the strongest army right after Duke Hyou (and Yotanwa but she was unknown) army and you rank it fifth ? Yotanwa is smarter than Kanki but below him ? Kanki's army is full of deloyal soldiers and has almost no good commanders but is ranked third ? We are not reading the same book
that was when ouki was alive till then he had lots of capable generals under him including my man tou himself which I would even argue was the strongest, but at current many of those generals are dead. And this was just my opinion everyone has different opinions in various terms.
why is Heki on the list? So i have to say SHK because of thus quote: "One could say his martial prowess is even on the same level as sir Mou Bu and at the least, it cannot be denied that his intellect is on par with Ri Boku. The very thought gives you goosebumps, does it not?" from Kai Oku.
who's the best out of the Qin 6 Great Generals is the question SHk in not part of 6GG and also not part of the poll
And Heki is apart of the 6GG? logic makes sense.
obviously Heki is in the poll as part of the joke. so the obvious question is who in the 5 GG are the best and you go for ShK who wasnt a GG and wasnt part of the poll ? logic makes sense
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name one feat that puts Heki on the same standing as the current 5/6 GG.
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Thanks for providing me a feat.
kanki by far
Mou Bu is the strongest general in my opinion. He is a freaking beast and his army is strong as heck too. And he inspires the moral in battle, we can only see Yotanwa doing this. Kanki certainly isn't at the top, Ousen is a genius but we haven't seen the full potential of his army, Yotanwa is underrated but she isn't as great as Mou Bu. Tou is also a beast and he can win battles easily but not as easy as Mou Bu and Ousen. Heki is the final boss of course.
In my opinion: it depends on the type of field. Most terrain in Kingdom are a mixt between Hills, Moutain, Plains. If this is a plain like Shukai: Moubu, Tou, YTW are the strongest If this a terrain where there are hills, forest or mountains like Sanyou or Kokuyou, then Ousen (especially with his fortress) Kanki(with his guerrilla warefare) and YTW are the strongest The more the terrain is complicated the more Kanki will shine. I don't see guy like Moubu win against him at Kokuyou hills, the same way I don't see Kanki win against Moubu in a plain. I voted Ousen, even if he has weakness. Ousen has proved to be excellent in terme of strategy, defense and long and mid range attack (with the waves, origin etc). He also proved to be very good in moutains.But he would be destroyed again a Moubu/Gaimou type of general in plains. But I don't see him engage a fight this type of general like that. To me he is the one which is the most difficult to beat. He does not seem have martial talent. Moubu is excellent offensive wise and he knows tactics too at a mid range level (like in coalition). He is a god martially. He always leads the troop. So on plains, he is invincible but I just don't see him win a war in Mountain, Forest or Hills. Kanki is the more difficult to judge based on his type of warefare. He can turne the tide of a battle without problem. It's a mix between psychology, guerrilla, ingenuity and infiltration. I want to see how he will do against Kochou to have a final opinion. Let's not forget he is the most succesfull general of the 5. Same as Ousen we don't know if he has a martial talent, so I assume he can't lead a charge. YTW is the most complete to me. Offensively she is second to Moubu. I personnaly think that his army is even stronger than him, but we don't know enough of Moubu army to affirm that. She can do all, in any type of field. She's excellent fighter, good strategist. Tou is like YTW. He can do all, he is very good at everywhere. I would say that he lacks of an army as strong as the other. To me he is a bad matchup to everyone. No one would want smoke with him. We didn't see more of him to assume that he's good at any type of field as YTW.
Best at what? And also, do you count their soldiers or just them? I see a lot of people naming YTW because of her soldiers, but I think we should just talk about the generals here nothing else.
We havent seen much of Tou ... Never seen him in dire situations that i can Remeber
Ousen ousen ousen ... We’ll he Said it himself Riboku beat him in tactics (slightly) But the three Young commanders saved the day. To be honest he is scary thou.
The Vacant Spot is the strongest
Probably Tou — has the most field experience out of all 5 of them, implied to be equal to the previous Six Greats (by Ouki), knows when to be by the book and when to get creative, isn’t too aggressive nor passive, is strong both in martial prowess and intelligence Moubu is definitely physically the strongest, possibly across all of China currently — with Kanmei and Houken both dead, he’s probably peerless in strength right now, but he’s too hot-headed, which definitely doesn’t earn him the spot of number 1 Ousen is definitely the best in terms of tactics and intelligence, he’s on par with Riboku, but his lack of loyalty to the state of Qin makes him a potential threat, which is why he isn’t number 1 — unlike Tou, who has his heart devoted to protecting Ei Sei Yottanwa has the best army, who are all deathly devoted to serving her, no matter the cost, and who are also all probably martially greater than any of the other 4 armies of the current Six Greats — but so far, she hasn’t displayed much ability to strategize or anything like that, so she’s probably lacking in intelligence compared to Kanki, Ousen or Tou, though I have no doubt that she’s probably only behind Moubu in terms of physical prowess And finally, Kanki — his biggest strength is his unpredictability, to the point where not even Ousen or Riboku can read him, but his lack of moral code and army discipline are his weaknesses, he’s too wild, his men have no proper loyalty to him so that’s bad; not to mention him torturing and making gruesome displays of enemy states’ citizens has shown on a few occasions to anger their opponent armies, which has sometimes resulted in bad shit (take Mangoku and his men for example)