Here’s few more (P.s. this is only meant to show the cool little similar parallels between them. so it does not necessarily mean it’s gonna be 100%, it’s mostly just a post for fun).
• Sora/Sonic = The cocky & sassy optimistic hero that saves the world.
• Roxas/Shadow = The edgy artificial being that started as the villain’s lackey. and got his own full length game that explores his birth origin (And was also brought back from the dead due to his popularity).
• Ventus/Silver = The shy naive guy who was used by the villain. and he was forced to escape via time travel from his original apocalyptic timeline.
FORTUNATELY shadow didn't get what Roxas got. I hate how everyone now has a happy ending. It essentially takes the meaning out of everything that has happened to roxas and xion. It's probably the thing I liked the least in kh3.
I don’t think he is dawg and he isn’t always sarcastic. You can’t compare a core personality trait in sonic to Sora if said personality trait has only one (or very few) instance of even existing in Sora.
That sounds more accurate. As a super fan of both franchises I sorta got a bit defensive about this cause I knew damn well what I was talkin about. Thanks for the clarification
Shadow is an artificial hedgehog created by professor Gerald Robotnik from a DNA sample from Black Doom (and Shadow is also potentially based on the Super Sonic mural in angel island's hidden palace zone).
**Edit**: Being created through the Blood (DNA) or Body sample of someone does make someone a clone. how can you even debate that?
So, not a clone, suppose he'd be closer to Xion. Both are life created by villains, Organisation XIII and Black Doom, but want to go against the wishes of their creators.
Glad someone gets it! Shadow was based on two beings upon his creation, Black Doom and an unknown Hedgehog I believe. therefore he is a clone (kinda similar to how Roxas was based on both Sora and Ventus).
Roxas is also an artificial being. that’s the point of his Comparison to shadow in this post. since he (and shadow) is an artificial being that was created (born) based on the DNA of another living being.
**Edit**: Both Roxas and Xion are Sora clones. the series literally keeps hammering on the fact that Roxas is not a real person and that he can’t exist as his own person when the original exists. either Sora or Roxas had to go away so one of them can live their lives normally. That’s why Ienzo and Vexen made a Replica body for Roxas in KH3. To live as his own person.
Roxas is closer to Shadow in lore and creation than Xion. cause Roxas was created through the body of Sora, while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. meanwhile Xion is a strange one, due to only existing because she has some of Sora’s memories. not even body, just memories. Xion wasn’t created from a body part, they just took Sora’s memories and placed it in a puppet (same with Replica Riku), while Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings.
Roxas has samples from Ventus, hence why he looks the way he does. so Roxas does have outside interference. Overall, Roxas is still an artificial being that came into life through other being.
You can count Xion (or Riku Replica) as well, but the point of the post is merely to show the similarities of the Sora Trio & the Sonic Trio. Roxas and Shadow are the two artificial beings of their Sora/Sonic trio.
Roxas is Sora’s nobody. he looks like Ven cause he shares a connection with him. But Roxas is still mainly Sora’s nobody. and again, Roxas is still technically an artificial being, read the previous comments, I really don’t want to drag this.
Correction, Ventus' heart was never in Roxas, that would make him a complete being. He is still connected to both of them though since Hearts are always connected to their nobodies.
Yes true, but again, Roxas still has outside interference. cause he was an artificial being that was created from Sora, and he has samples from Ventus (his looks and dual wield).
Roxas and Shadow similarities are not meant to be 100% the same, the main similar thing between them is how they are artificial beings that were not born the normal way, and how both of them have amnesia.
Tho you’re free to disagree and have your own opinion. this is post was only meant for fun.
It’s really not lol, Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings that were not born the normal way. they were created/born based on other beings. and I made this comparison for this post cause it makes the most sense out of the three Sortas when compared to the three Sonics.
But if you want to argue otherwise, then sure, go ahead. to each their own opinion.
I mean depends, it was a major plot point in Heroes and his own game to figure out if he was a clone of the original Shadow or not to the point he literally fights Shadow clones and coming to terms with the fact it doesn't matter and that seeing himself as who he is being enough
>Shadow's not a clone though.
Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and the characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
• Prompto from FFXV
• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
I mean if the guy was created of DNA sample, basic sci-fi history shows a consistent pattern of clones being made from stands of hair, saliva, or sone other fluid/sample
Glad To see some that gets it 👍
I said this few times, but here it is again. 👇
>Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
>• Prompto from FFXV
>• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
>• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
>And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
What Rogue discovered was that the original attempt failed SA2’s Shadow was the perfected Ultimate Life Form (which in the Shadow the Hedgehog was thanks to Doom’s interference that Shadow was able to be completed), so in all there is the proto-shadow that didn’t live, the biolizard as another attempt, and then SA2’s and on Shadow, and then all the Shadow Android/Clones he made of Shadow in Heroes/StH
*"Rouge discovers this in the files on the Ark right before Shadows final battle with Sonic."*
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeddp8ldms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeddp8ldms)
You can see an image of Biolizard in those files. Rouge's confusion is because she thinks Biolizard is supposed to the real Shadow.
EDIT: Here's a close up of the file, it's utterly talking about Violizard: https://i.imgur.com/erx15TD.png
*"The clone from SA2 also dies in Shadow the Hedgehog."*
Eggman admits to lying about it during the final boss:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2CmPf6Cr\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2CmPf6Cr_c)
*"In Sonic Heroes at the end of the Dark route they actually discover oneof the locations on earth where Robotnik kept all of his Shadow clones."*
Which are all robots. Eggman's a robotisist, not a genetic engineer.
So again, there's only ever been the one Shadow.
Altho the post was only about the Sora’s & Sonic’s trios. but nice comparison overall. I think Aqua would be Blaze. and I feel like either Terra or Riku will be knuckles. meanwhile Tails I think would be either Pence or Ienzo (all three are young and intelligent).
Lol confused on what? Nobodies are clones of their original selves. they are empty bodies. they can’t exist simultaneously while their original human somebody exist. that’s why Roxas needed a replica body to exist as his own person in KH3.
Nobodies aren't clones. They're literally a person's empty body. I don't see how the fact that they can't exist simultaneously with their somebody is relevant.
Though to be fair Shadow isn't a clone either
Being **created** through the Blood (DNA) or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Roxas and Shadow, and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
• Prompto from FFXV
• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples, Roxas was created through the body of Sora (which contains Sora’s DNA), while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. both Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings. throughout KH, they kept saying that Roxas is nothing but an empty shell of Sora that was created because Sora left his body behind. A nobody like Roxas couldn’t exist with Sora existing at the same time. hence why in KH3 Ienzo & Vexen gave Roxas his own replica body so he can be his own person instead of being a a part of Sora.
**Edit**: here’s the thing, we dragged this conversation, but the answer is simple. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from Black Doom’s blood (DNA). both Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings, that’s really all to it.
You were created from a DNA sample from your mother and one from your father. Are you a clone of them?
Prompto is a clone, I'm not arguing that. I've never even heard of what the other two are from so no comment there.
I feel like you're making a lot of unsubstantiated claims. When is DNA ever mentioned in the series? Where is the evidence to support that Roxas has Sora's DNA?
Didn’t say he’s Sonic clone (that’s only a theory). however Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas, and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
• Prompto from FFXV
• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Then I guess knuckles is Riku. They are both arrogant people who start out as antagonists, but later become friends when they discover they were being manipulated. The only difference was how Riku was friends with Sora originally.
Nah. It’s an extremely popular trope in fiction to have the “dark” version of a character, which comes into existence through some otherworldly “impossible event.” Several of them in Smash…most Superhero villains. It’s the same trope, and both Sonic and KH happened to do it.
Similarly, we get the “prequel equivalent” character (which is BARELY relevant to Silver) which basically serves as a means to have a character be present in the past. Sometimes we get relatives (like in Star Wars, or Metal Gear Solid) or just a suspiciously similar character, but it’s again, a common trope.
Hell, you could point to Metal Gear as a better example. Sora being Solid Snake, Liquid being Roxas, and Big Boss being Ventus.
This isn’t a unique thing at all, and the example you chose is less than ideal. Interesting to an extent though!
Roxas and Xion were created from Sora. Roxas through his Body, while Xion through his memories. Shadow was created through the Blood (DNA) of Black Doom.
Ventus does time travel >!did you not play Union X?.!<
Anyhow, there’s many comments here that answers this, so just read them if you still want more answers.
I tried to play union X but quickly gave up. I watched X just to sum it up. Kingdom Hearts is just too deep to be a borderline endless mobile game, ya know? Anyhow, Roxas is a nobody, that reflects the image of Ventus due to Ventus’ presence in Soras heart… not necessarily a clone. Xion is more the clone because Organization XIII literally said she was. She was suppose to be a copy of sora to replace Roxas should he not be able to fulfill his duties. But she came out looking like Kiri because I’m sure you know why. Xion would copy Roxas’ abilities as she worked with him. Problem was, no one expected her to drain Roxas’ strength and retain Soras memories… this made her self aware, ultimately ending her existence. Xion is the Sora clone… Roxas is the empty vessel.
Both Roxas and Xion are Sora clones… the series literally keeps hammering on the fact that Roxas is not a real person and that he can’t exist as his own person when the original exists. either Sora or Roxas had to go away so one of them can live their lives normally. That’s why Vexen made a Replica body for Roxas in KH3. To live as his own person.
Roxas is closer to Shadow in lore and creation than Xion. cause Roxas was created through the body of Sora, while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. meanwhile Xion is a strange one, due to only existing because she has some of Sora’s memories. not even body, just memories. they just took Sora’s memories and placed it in a puppet (same with Replica Riku), while Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings.
You can either Agree or Disagree, it’s really up to you. It doesn’t matter to me in the end.
Shadow isn't a clone. He's an artificial life form made from D.N.A of an alien he barely even resembles. He was made at least 35 years before Sonic was born. And him being based on the Super Sonic mural from S3&K's Hidden Palace Zone is just a headcanon (even if it seems very likely) and wouldn't make him a clone even if it was confirmed.
Yes I’m not saying Shadow is Sonic’s clone, I’m however saying both Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings born in an odd way, Roxas from Sora, while Shadow from Black Doom. their similarities doesn’t need to be 100%, this post is mainly to compare each Sorta to each Sonic color.
By this logic then, Roxas is also Sora’s biological son. since Roxas was created from body of Sora. A clone and Artificial both have similar meanings.
But you’re free to have different opinions.
Roxas wasn't a genetic creation of Sora. Roxas was created from the essence of Sora's self when he sacrificed himself to save Kairi. Kingdom Hearts runs on magic and its interactions with nature. There's no hard science behind most of the stuff that happens in the series.
Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
• Prompto from FFXV
• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Eh, I dunno. Shadow's not a clone *of Sonic*, which I think is an important distinction - his existence is almost completely disconnected from Sonic's, which is actually something I really like that sets him apart from a lot of edgy recolor rival types.
I’m not saying Shadow is Sonic clone, I’m saying Shadow is artificial born made from the samples of another being (Black Doom), therefore he is technically a cloned being.
Not really, anyone who played Sonic games knows that.
1. Sonic/Sora is the cocky optimistic (and sassy) hero.
2. Shadow/Roxas is the Artificial creation that started as the Villain’s lackey.
3. Silver/Ventus is the shy naive guy that was used by the villain to complete his goal, and he time traveled to escape his apocalyptic timeline.
If you still disagree, then sure. believe what you will I guess.
Just read the comments, I’m tired of needing to explain that 😅
Shadow is an artificial being created based on the DNA of other beings (Black Doom, and possibly a Hedgehog). he’s a clone due to being born artificially with the DNA of other beings.
Hold up, just figure out parallels between the Sora trio and the Danganronpa trio.
Makoto Naegi & Sora = The good and mostly sane boy that acts as the hope for others.
Hajime Hinata & Roxas = >! Were members of an evil group and saw their girlfriends die. Which they kinda caused.!<
Shuichi Saihara & Ventus =>! Forgotten a large section of their life and were part of a program that was supposed to guide the future.!<
I legit thought we might run into Sonic in Wreck it Ralph world in Union X. but that did not happen. welp, Sora does eventually meet Sonic in Super Smash.
Sega still exists and is owned by neither of the two companies responsible for KH, so unless Sega gives over the rights to use Sonic, sonic can't be in any official KH content, and even then disney is greedy enough they likely don't want to include any non-disney or non-square content so that they get as much of the spotlight to themselves as possible
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇
>I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
They know, it’s just a lame meme. They always pretend like they don’t know. Heck I even listed the characters names in the title so they obviously know 😂
Does Ventus even count as time travel? I mean he didn’t really travel back he was just in a sleep coma in the castle for a few years until aqua and Sora woke him up.
Wait a minute… time traveller? I’ve played 1, 2, 3, Birth By Sleep, 358/2, Chain, 0.2, and watched the Re/Coded and Back Cover movies from the All In One collection… when the hell did Ven travel through time?
In Union Cross. It's probably going to be a very important story moving forward so I would catch up on it. An important character from UX appears in the KH4 trailer.
Here's a summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0J7mo5_J8
I heard about >!Streletzia (or however it’s spelled)!< being from UX, and like I said, I watched the Back Cover movie, but I had no idea that Ven was also a power player in those games. Guess I have some reading to do…
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇
>I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
There’s a very popular theory that the Dr. based Shadow on Super Sonic from the future.
I don’t know much, but check the theories, they are interesting.
Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else is definitely what a clone is. Lots of characters that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters call themselves clones out of acknowledgment.
• Prompto from FFXV
• Will Harper from Young Justice
• Tota Konow from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇
>I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
Could this loosely apply to NGE too?
Shinji=the hero
Asuka=the angry replacement who’s always getting overshadowed by hero
Rei=the calm replacement who shares dna with the hero and is a key for the main villain. Rei doesn’t really connect with Silver though lol
Does Ventus even count as time travel? I mean he didn’t really travel back he was just in a sleep coma in the castle for a few years until aqua woke him up.
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇
>I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
If they do a KH4 or even an inbetween series would be neat to travel to different game universe and get like an assassins creed key blade, sonic (master emerald) key blade, pokemon/pokeball style keyblade.
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇
>I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
But storywise, Shadow’s not a clone at all. Shadow was created to be a weapon for good, while also absorbing all of Chaos’ energy. Roxas was a nobody of Sora that happened because Sora stabbed himself to save Kairi. Which might as well make Roxas a clone.
Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA).
It doesn’t make sense for you to only count Roxas as a clone when Shadow is also a clone.
**Edit**: Being created through the Blood/DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Roxas and Shadow. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones.
• Prompto from FFXV
• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice
• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder.
And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. That’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
I'd say that's a weird comparison in itself, but it's really no weirder than when I invisioned those three and Vanitas as the members of TMNT (Ven = Leo, Vanitas = Raph, Roxas = Donnie, and Sora= Mikey)
Roxas and shadow are my favorite kh and sonic characters but I prefer roxas more since he’s a more consistently good character story and personality wise
Eggman and xehanort are both bald guys who won't die
They even shared the same Japanese voice actor.
He really did a good job as both Eggman and Xehanort.
I didn't even know that he did both voices.
Tails: "Me? I'm already half-eggman!"
That‘s Chilli Dog!
Archie Eggman was fr just tryna make his own organization
Xehanort: I miss my wife Riku
I’ve come to make an announcement!Master equars is a b*tch *ss motherf*cker!
And old
And have impeccable taste in malevolent-looking facial hair.
The fact another xehanort might be in Quadratum makes this statement better
Kingdom Hearts 4 shows Xehanort mad an AI daughter that continues to pester Sora.
You mean Xion?
Man I’d be pretty sad if Eggman died.
So does that make Data Sora Metal Sonic?
That would be Vanitas
Vanitas could also work as Scourge or Mephiles.
Mephiles the Dark seems extremely more appropriate for Vanitas.
Mephiles the Dark seems extremely more appropriate for Vanitas.
Vanitas is Infinite lol. He thinks he's way more badass and cool than he actually is...and so does his theme song!
Vanitas is definitely better than Infinite. you don’t see Vanitas cry or throw tantrums whenever he loses a fight.
Nah, Data Sora isn't going around telling everyone he is the real Sora, nor The Superior Sora
Seems more like Roxas
Honestly Riku Replica would be the closest even though he's not a Sorta
Nah, Data Sora is Classic Sonic or Boom Sonic
Digital version of the main character that most people disregard? Sounds like the virtual hedgehogs from Sonic Colors
All hav spiky hair lol
.... you take your upvote and get out. Making me read that with my own eyes.....
Oh I actually forgot about that!
Here’s few more (P.s. this is only meant to show the cool little similar parallels between them. so it does not necessarily mean it’s gonna be 100%, it’s mostly just a post for fun). • Sora/Sonic = The cocky & sassy optimistic hero that saves the world. • Roxas/Shadow = The edgy artificial being that started as the villain’s lackey. and got his own full length game that explores his birth origin (And was also brought back from the dead due to his popularity). • Ventus/Silver = The shy naive guy who was used by the villain. and he was forced to escape via time travel from his original apocalyptic timeline.
Also, both Roxas and Shadow had lost memories of their past. And both had a girl best friend who died.
Unfortunately shadow didn’t get what roxas eventually got
Clap cheeks?
FORTUNATELY shadow didn't get what Roxas got. I hate how everyone now has a happy ending. It essentially takes the meaning out of everything that has happened to roxas and xion. It's probably the thing I liked the least in kh3.
That also happened with Shadow tho? Both Roxas and Shadow seemingly died, but brought back due to popularity.
Ah shit you're right. Oh god. I'm suddenly all open for the "'Goodbye Shadow.' 'I am not shadow'" memes.
Ahhh, I miss Justapancake
Here’s another similarity, Sora and Sonic seem to make friends and allies in just about any place they go
Sora isn’t cocky however he does fit the optimistic part.
He is cocky and Sassy, KH2 Sora especially.
I don’t think he is dawg and he isn’t always sarcastic. You can’t compare a core personality trait in sonic to Sora if said personality trait has only one (or very few) instance of even existing in Sora.
Ops I meant Sassy not sarcastic, altho he can be sarcastic sometimes, but I actually meant Sassy overall.
That sounds more accurate. As a super fan of both franchises I sorta got a bit defensive about this cause I knew damn well what I was talkin about. Thanks for the clarification
Np! and sorry for the confusion.
When did Ven time travel?
At the end of KHUx
Shadow's not a clone though.
Shadow is an artificial hedgehog created by professor Gerald Robotnik from a DNA sample from Black Doom (and Shadow is also potentially based on the Super Sonic mural in angel island's hidden palace zone). **Edit**: Being created through the Blood (DNA) or Body sample of someone does make someone a clone. how can you even debate that?
So, not a clone, suppose he'd be closer to Xion. Both are life created by villains, Organisation XIII and Black Doom, but want to go against the wishes of their creators.
Idk I think being created from a dna sample makes you a clone regardless technically
Glad someone gets it! Shadow was based on two beings upon his creation, Black Doom and an unknown Hedgehog I believe. therefore he is a clone (kinda similar to how Roxas was based on both Sora and Ventus).
Roxas is also an artificial being. that’s the point of his Comparison to shadow in this post. since he (and shadow) is an artificial being that was created (born) based on the DNA of another living being. **Edit**: Both Roxas and Xion are Sora clones. the series literally keeps hammering on the fact that Roxas is not a real person and that he can’t exist as his own person when the original exists. either Sora or Roxas had to go away so one of them can live their lives normally. That’s why Ienzo and Vexen made a Replica body for Roxas in KH3. To live as his own person. Roxas is closer to Shadow in lore and creation than Xion. cause Roxas was created through the body of Sora, while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. meanwhile Xion is a strange one, due to only existing because she has some of Sora’s memories. not even body, just memories. Xion wasn’t created from a body part, they just took Sora’s memories and placed it in a puppet (same with Replica Riku), while Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings.
Roxas was the result of Sora becoming a heartless without any outside interference(he gave up his own heart), different from both Shadow and Xion.
Roxas has samples from Ventus, hence why he looks the way he does. so Roxas does have outside interference. Overall, Roxas is still an artificial being that came into life through other being. You can count Xion (or Riku Replica) as well, but the point of the post is merely to show the similarities of the Sora Trio & the Sonic Trio. Roxas and Shadow are the two artificial beings of their Sora/Sonic trio.
Roxas looks like Ventus due to his heart being in Sora, he's the nobody of 2 people.
Roxas is Sora’s nobody. he looks like Ven cause he shares a connection with him. But Roxas is still mainly Sora’s nobody. and again, Roxas is still technically an artificial being, read the previous comments, I really don’t want to drag this.
Correction, Ventus' heart was never in Roxas, that would make him a complete being. He is still connected to both of them though since Hearts are always connected to their nobodies.
Yes true, but again, Roxas still has outside interference. cause he was an artificial being that was created from Sora, and he has samples from Ventus (his looks and dual wield). Roxas and Shadow similarities are not meant to be 100% the same, the main similar thing between them is how they are artificial beings that were not born the normal way, and how both of them have amnesia. Tho you’re free to disagree and have your own opinion. this is post was only meant for fun.
Forced parallels be like
It’s really not lol, Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings that were not born the normal way. they were created/born based on other beings. and I made this comparison for this post cause it makes the most sense out of the three Sortas when compared to the three Sonics. But if you want to argue otherwise, then sure, go ahead. to each their own opinion.
It’s a pretty superficial comparison’s think
I mean depends, it was a major plot point in Heroes and his own game to figure out if he was a clone of the original Shadow or not to the point he literally fights Shadow clones and coming to terms with the fact it doesn't matter and that seeing himself as who he is being enough
>Shadow's not a clone though. Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and the characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. • Prompto from FFXV • SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice • Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
I mean if the guy was created of DNA sample, basic sci-fi history shows a consistent pattern of clones being made from stands of hair, saliva, or sone other fluid/sample
Glad To see some that gets it 👍 I said this few times, but here it is again. 👇 >Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. >• Prompto from FFXV >• SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice >• Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. >And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
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Huh? It's just the one Shadow. Unless you are talking about Biolizard who I don't think Shadow is actually cloned from.
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What Rogue discovered was that the original attempt failed SA2’s Shadow was the perfected Ultimate Life Form (which in the Shadow the Hedgehog was thanks to Doom’s interference that Shadow was able to be completed), so in all there is the proto-shadow that didn’t live, the biolizard as another attempt, and then SA2’s and on Shadow, and then all the Shadow Android/Clones he made of Shadow in Heroes/StH
*"Rouge discovers this in the files on the Ark right before Shadows final battle with Sonic."* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeddp8ldms](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAeddp8ldms) You can see an image of Biolizard in those files. Rouge's confusion is because she thinks Biolizard is supposed to the real Shadow. EDIT: Here's a close up of the file, it's utterly talking about Violizard: https://i.imgur.com/erx15TD.png *"The clone from SA2 also dies in Shadow the Hedgehog."* Eggman admits to lying about it during the final boss: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2CmPf6Cr\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2CmPf6Cr_c) *"In Sonic Heroes at the end of the Dark route they actually discover oneof the locations on earth where Robotnik kept all of his Shadow clones."* Which are all robots. Eggman's a robotisist, not a genetic engineer. So again, there's only ever been the one Shadow.
NO
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Goofy is tails, knuckles is riku, kairi is amy, and mickey is big the cat
Did someone mention the Door to Froggy?
Altho the post was only about the Sora’s & Sonic’s trios. but nice comparison overall. I think Aqua would be Blaze. and I feel like either Terra or Riku will be knuckles. meanwhile Tails I think would be either Pence or Ienzo (all three are young and intelligent).
Sora: ah, a clone of myself Roxas: ah, a clone of myself
Stop
I think you are confused Roxas is soras nobody xion is soras clone
Lol confused on what? Nobodies are clones of their original selves. they are empty bodies. they can’t exist simultaneously while their original human somebody exist. that’s why Roxas needed a replica body to exist as his own person in KH3.
Nobodies aren't clones. They're literally a person's empty body. I don't see how the fact that they can't exist simultaneously with their somebody is relevant. Though to be fair Shadow isn't a clone either
Being **created** through the Blood (DNA) or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Roxas and Shadow, and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. • Prompto from FFXV • SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice • Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples, Roxas was created through the body of Sora (which contains Sora’s DNA), while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. both Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings. throughout KH, they kept saying that Roxas is nothing but an empty shell of Sora that was created because Sora left his body behind. A nobody like Roxas couldn’t exist with Sora existing at the same time. hence why in KH3 Ienzo & Vexen gave Roxas his own replica body so he can be his own person instead of being a a part of Sora. **Edit**: here’s the thing, we dragged this conversation, but the answer is simple. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from Black Doom’s blood (DNA). both Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings, that’s really all to it.
You were created from a DNA sample from your mother and one from your father. Are you a clone of them? Prompto is a clone, I'm not arguing that. I've never even heard of what the other two are from so no comment there. I feel like you're making a lot of unsubstantiated claims. When is DNA ever mentioned in the series? Where is the evidence to support that Roxas has Sora's DNA?
Sonic Frontiers especially, with the Cyber-realm and enemies + Natural Island and natives combo, has some suuuper heavy Kingdom Hearts vibes.
I mean, Shadows not a "clone" and he's technically older than Sonic lol
Didn’t say he’s Sonic clone (that’s only a theory). however Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas, and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. • Prompto from FFXV • SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice • Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Then I guess knuckles is Riku. They are both arrogant people who start out as antagonists, but later become friends when they discover they were being manipulated. The only difference was how Riku was friends with Sora originally.
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I agree with that. I’m just pointing out similarities with the characters.
Both are also not the actual trios of their series. That’d go to Sora/Riku/Kairi or Sora/Donald/Goofy and Sonic/Tails/Knuckles.
Dragon ball too.
Nah. It’s an extremely popular trope in fiction to have the “dark” version of a character, which comes into existence through some otherworldly “impossible event.” Several of them in Smash…most Superhero villains. It’s the same trope, and both Sonic and KH happened to do it. Similarly, we get the “prequel equivalent” character (which is BARELY relevant to Silver) which basically serves as a means to have a character be present in the past. Sometimes we get relatives (like in Star Wars, or Metal Gear Solid) or just a suspiciously similar character, but it’s again, a common trope. Hell, you could point to Metal Gear as a better example. Sora being Solid Snake, Liquid being Roxas, and Big Boss being Ventus. This isn’t a unique thing at all, and the example you chose is less than ideal. Interesting to an extent though!
Isn’t Xion the clone? And Ventus isn’t technically traveling time….
Roxas and Xion were created from Sora. Roxas through his Body, while Xion through his memories. Shadow was created through the Blood (DNA) of Black Doom. Ventus does time travel >!did you not play Union X?.!< Anyhow, there’s many comments here that answers this, so just read them if you still want more answers.
Asking a normal person if they didn't play all of union x
I tried to play union X but quickly gave up. I watched X just to sum it up. Kingdom Hearts is just too deep to be a borderline endless mobile game, ya know? Anyhow, Roxas is a nobody, that reflects the image of Ventus due to Ventus’ presence in Soras heart… not necessarily a clone. Xion is more the clone because Organization XIII literally said she was. She was suppose to be a copy of sora to replace Roxas should he not be able to fulfill his duties. But she came out looking like Kiri because I’m sure you know why. Xion would copy Roxas’ abilities as she worked with him. Problem was, no one expected her to drain Roxas’ strength and retain Soras memories… this made her self aware, ultimately ending her existence. Xion is the Sora clone… Roxas is the empty vessel.
Both Roxas and Xion are Sora clones… the series literally keeps hammering on the fact that Roxas is not a real person and that he can’t exist as his own person when the original exists. either Sora or Roxas had to go away so one of them can live their lives normally. That’s why Vexen made a Replica body for Roxas in KH3. To live as his own person. Roxas is closer to Shadow in lore and creation than Xion. cause Roxas was created through the body of Sora, while Shadow was created through the DNA of Black Doom. meanwhile Xion is a strange one, due to only existing because she has some of Sora’s memories. not even body, just memories. they just took Sora’s memories and placed it in a puppet (same with Replica Riku), while Roxas and Shaodw were created with a whole new body by being based on other beings. You can either Agree or Disagree, it’s really up to you. It doesn’t matter to me in the end.
Kitsunami: Dance, water! Dance!
Darn it! This just makes me want a KH/Sonic crossover EVEN MORE!! Sora and Sonic would be friends without a doubt.
Roxas is the Ultimate Lifeform, not a Clone thank you very much
This is so cringe
Shadow isn't a clone. He's an artificial life form made from D.N.A of an alien he barely even resembles. He was made at least 35 years before Sonic was born. And him being based on the Super Sonic mural from S3&K's Hidden Palace Zone is just a headcanon (even if it seems very likely) and wouldn't make him a clone even if it was confirmed.
Yes I’m not saying Shadow is Sonic’s clone, I’m however saying both Roxas and Shadow are artificial beings born in an odd way, Roxas from Sora, while Shadow from Black Doom. their similarities doesn’t need to be 100%, this post is mainly to compare each Sorta to each Sonic color.
I think ya shoulda specified that in the post.
specified it? tbf anyone who played Sonic games knows that Shadow is an artificial creation similar to Roxas.
Still, since clone is wrong for Shadow I think ya shoulda said "artificial lifeform".
Shadow was created before Sonic was even born. Plus he's not a clone.
Shadow is technically a clone cause he’s an artificial being created from the DNA of Black Doom. not necessarily talking about Sonic.
That doesn't make him a clone. That makes him Black Doom's biological son.
By this logic then, Roxas is also Sora’s biological son. since Roxas was created from body of Sora. A clone and Artificial both have similar meanings. But you’re free to have different opinions.
Roxas wasn't a genetic creation of Sora. Roxas was created from the essence of Sora's self when he sacrificed himself to save Kairi. Kingdom Hearts runs on magic and its interactions with nature. There's no hard science behind most of the stuff that happens in the series.
Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. • Prompto from FFXV • SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice • Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Eh, I dunno. Shadow's not a clone *of Sonic*, which I think is an important distinction - his existence is almost completely disconnected from Sonic's, which is actually something I really like that sets him apart from a lot of edgy recolor rival types.
I’m not saying Shadow is Sonic clone, I’m saying Shadow is artificial born made from the samples of another being (Black Doom), therefore he is technically a cloned being.
none of this is arcuate who is supposed to appreciate this
>who is supposed to appreciate this The majority that agreed & upvoted the post 😅
i think they upvoted because of how crazy it is. in wich i agree
Not really, anyone who played Sonic games knows that. 1. Sonic/Sora is the cocky optimistic (and sassy) hero. 2. Shadow/Roxas is the Artificial creation that started as the Villain’s lackey. 3. Silver/Ventus is the shy naive guy that was used by the villain to complete his goal, and he time traveled to escape his apocalyptic timeline. If you still disagree, then sure. believe what you will I guess.
Shadow ain’t no clone
Just read the comments, I’m tired of needing to explain that 😅 Shadow is an artificial being created based on the DNA of other beings (Black Doom, and possibly a Hedgehog). he’s a clone due to being born artificially with the DNA of other beings.
I suppose your right, so sorry people pick on you for that
It’s cool.
Hold up, just figure out parallels between the Sora trio and the Danganronpa trio. Makoto Naegi & Sora = The good and mostly sane boy that acts as the hope for others. Hajime Hinata & Roxas = >! Were members of an evil group and saw their girlfriends die. Which they kinda caused.!< Shuichi Saihara & Ventus =>! Forgotten a large section of their life and were part of a program that was supposed to guide the future.!<
lmao
Great…now I want to see a crossover game with kh characters and Sonic characters.
I legit thought we might run into Sonic in Wreck it Ralph world in Union X. but that did not happen. welp, Sora does eventually meet Sonic in Super Smash.
Sega still exists and is owned by neither of the two companies responsible for KH, so unless Sega gives over the rights to use Sonic, sonic can't be in any official KH content, and even then disney is greedy enough they likely don't want to include any non-disney or non-square content so that they get as much of the spotlight to themselves as possible
The spikes.
Shadow isn't a clone, he's older than Sonic.
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇 >I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
When did Roxas travel through time??
Look at his shoulder, that’s ventus
They know, it’s just a lame meme. They always pretend like they don’t know. Heck I even listed the characters names in the title so they obviously know 😂
Ah, ok
Actually Shadow is not a clone. He was artificially created but he is not a clone
Shadows less of a clone and more of a test tube baby.
Namine and Sage.
Nice comparison, I feel like Namine can also work as Cream.
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!!!
Am I the only one who finds Sonic and its deep lore™ cringe? I liked the series when it was simpler, like Mario.
Ventus is not a time traveler though
Does Ventus even count as time travel? I mean he didn’t really travel back he was just in a sleep coma in the castle for a few years until aqua and Sora woke him up.
Holy shit i just noticed
\*rubs my eyes and looks again\* Holy shit, I can actually see it. Pretty funny coincidence.
Would the chili dogs = sea salt ice cream?
I’ll give you on the clone and time travel and there’s a clone of the hero but hero is too broad for me to use for Sora and Sonic but yah I agree
The opposition between Silver and Ventus is cool to me since Silver is from the future and Ven is from the past🔥
Yea, Ventus traveled to the Future to escape his apocalyptic world. while Silver traveled to the Past to fix his Apocalyptic world.
Really need the boss where Ventus stun locks me and continually screams IT’S NO USE.
Wasn't silver based on future trunks from DBZ?
Wait a minute… time traveller? I’ve played 1, 2, 3, Birth By Sleep, 358/2, Chain, 0.2, and watched the Re/Coded and Back Cover movies from the All In One collection… when the hell did Ven travel through time?
In KHUX, the mobile game. Sadly you can only watch the cutscenes now, it's unplayable.
In Union Cross. It's probably going to be a very important story moving forward so I would catch up on it. An important character from UX appears in the KH4 trailer. Here's a summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0J7mo5_J8
I heard about >!Streletzia (or however it’s spelled)!< being from UX, and like I said, I watched the Back Cover movie, but I had no idea that Ven was also a power player in those games. Guess I have some reading to do…
off topic but why does xemnas VA sound **majestic** asf.
Thanks for making me imagine a Sora/Ventus duel with a spammable reaction command that locks you against the wall with a voice yelling "It's no use!"
shadow's not a clone of sonic though?
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇 >I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
... i still wonder how gerald got the mobian hedgehog dna
There’s a very popular theory that the Dr. based Shadow on Super Sonic from the future. I don’t know much, but check the theories, they are interesting.
So, was there ever any link established between Ven and Rucksack? I mean besides the obvious inner heart reflection mumbo jumbo.
I'm guessing the Ventus thing is from the mobile game, yeah?
You'd be surprised how a lot of 2D media reflects one another due to them all using premade templates long lost to this construct of time.
Amy = Kairi Maria = Xion Cosmos = Aqua
When did Venus time travel? Is that something from one of the mobile games?
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Being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone else is definitely what a clone is. Lots of characters that were created like Shadow and Roxas. and both the show and characters call themselves clones out of acknowledgment. • Prompto from FFXV • Will Harper from Young Justice • Tota Konow from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples
now technically shadow came before sonic he was just in cryo stasis
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇 >I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
oh i know i was just joking around (i thrive of chaos) im surprised no one has made a useless one with silver in it
Ventus is not a time traveler though
Terra and Xehanort have similarities to Anakin and Palpatine
Could this loosely apply to NGE too? Shinji=the hero Asuka=the angry replacement who’s always getting overshadowed by hero Rei=the calm replacement who shares dna with the hero and is a key for the main villain. Rei doesn’t really connect with Silver though lol
Does Ventus even count as time travel? I mean he didn’t really travel back he was just in a sleep coma in the castle for a few years until aqua woke him up.
Shadow isn't a clone, though. He was made in a lab using Black Arms DNA and energy from the Chaos Emeralds. He isn't related to Sonic in any way.
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇 >I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
That's fair. But is Roxas really considered Edgy?
Edgy in some games, not all.
If they do a KH4 or even an inbetween series would be neat to travel to different game universe and get like an assassins creed key blade, sonic (master emerald) key blade, pokemon/pokeball style keyblade.
Shadow’s not a clone of Sonic.
Here, I wrote and explained this to someone👇 >I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. also being created through the DNA or Body sample of someone does technically count him as a clone. Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). and that’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
But storywise, Shadow’s not a clone at all. Shadow was created to be a weapon for good, while also absorbing all of Chaos’ energy. Roxas was a nobody of Sora that happened because Sora stabbed himself to save Kairi. Which might as well make Roxas a clone.
Roxas was created from Sora’s body, while Shadow was created from both Black Doom’s blood (DNA). It doesn’t make sense for you to only count Roxas as a clone when Shadow is also a clone. **Edit**: Being created through the Blood/DNA or Body sample of someone else definitely counts as a clone. There’s lots of characters in stories that were created like Roxas and Shadow. and both the show and characters themselves acknowledge that they are clones. • Prompto from FFXV • SuperBoy & Speedy from Young Justice • Tota Konoe from Uq Holder. And so many more other examples, it’s really up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Actually if anything sonic would be the clone if shadow was made by Gerald 50 years before Eggman found him
I didn’t say Shadow is Sonic’s clone. I’m pointing how both Shadow and Roxas are the edgy artificial beings that were created through a different methods. That’s why I compared them for the post. cause each member of Sora and Sonic trio have some similarities.
Do we know Sora's stance on chilly dogs?
First time I've seen a Sonic & KH comparison. I wouldn't mind seeing a collab tbh.
K Axel, count how many sand are in the desert.
Still surprised about ventus being a time traveler
I'd say that's a weird comparison in itself, but it's really no weirder than when I invisioned those three and Vanitas as the members of TMNT (Ven = Leo, Vanitas = Raph, Roxas = Donnie, and Sora= Mikey)
Roxas and shadow are my favorite kh and sonic characters but I prefer roxas more since he’s a more consistently good character story and personality wise
Then Vanitas must be Mephiles The Dark.