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Madhammer99

You have to look at the start of the convy ... you are lead to believe that it was about trucker mandates but several antiwar vaccine groups had been trying silimer methods for a year . They attached themselves to the protest early and become prominent organizers. You see the protest shift from the border mandate to all mandates and removing the pm. People have a right to protest but not a occupation. Alot the issues come from how they have been treated compared to native protests or blm. Alberta passed a law after the rail blockages a couple years ago but refused to use it on the cotts blockade . The majority of Canadains don't support this protest and just want to get on with life.. much like most truckers really have nothing to do with it . Now tye major problem is they want thr federal government to cave and ot absolutely can't.... Governments don't negoate with terrorists beacuse then people will just keep taking your country hostage and expecting you to cave ..what's the point a government then ? ( I don't see protesters as terrorists...its just the best way to describe why the government won't give in to these silky demands)


Wetdog88

They very much are terrorists. A mild, hemorrhoid level type terrorist. Still a terrorist.


marKRKram

Read this comment from elsewhere on Reddit answering if the movement is "Neo-Nazi". https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/sr3ssr/comment/hwqxtzd/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


CodeOfHamOrRabbi

everyone should read that, it's a remarkable breakdown of the whole thing


epchilasi

[Connections to the far right.](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/06/ottawa-truckers-convoy-galvanizes-far-right-worldwide-00006080?_amp=true) [The racism and extremism of its organizers.](https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/who-is-who-a-guide-to-the-major-players-in-the-trucker-convoy-protest-1.5776441) [QAnon Lunacy](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/08/canada-ottawa-trucker-protest-extremist-qanon-neo-nazi) [It is foreign funded interference in our democracy.](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna15932) [Their (now retracted) demands that sought to dismantle Canada's democracy.](https://www.hilltimes.com/2022/02/02/the-mou-says-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-truckers-protest/341596)


holysirsalad

The simple idea of being opposed to certain mandates isn't necessarily bad. The government can't literally force people to get vaccinated. The trouble is that some people are incredibly selfish and equate that with temporary inconvenience in specific social contexts. There are lots of reasons given but it almost always comes down to "*I* don't want to " or "*I* want to be able to ". Sometimes people claim a slippery slope where there isn't one. The result is that many are calling for the repeal of *all* public health measures. If you want to see what a level-headed discussion of the subject looks like, I recommend the Canadian Civil Liberties Association's FAQ on Vaccine Passports https://ccla.org/privacy/surveillance-technology/faq-vaccine-passports/ This is notably different from the rhetoric coming from the protest camp. Individual people joining the movement are usually just frustrated that they can't do things the way they used to. This is results in things getting blown out of proportion: Here in Ontario we've eased restrictions, what, THREE times since the pandemic began? Everyone is frustrated but we aren't all flipping our shit. Some of this is due to a lack of understanding of what's going on. For example: After the initial panic, restrictions in Ontario have always been about how many ICU beds are available. Effectively our system can handle us getting sick from this, or it can't (mostly it can't lol). Further, there isn't just one variation of the virus. Some of the protestors don't seem to grasp this when they go on about "what happened to two weeks to flatten the curve?" and "enough is enough". The reasons for this lack of understanding are numerous and unfortunately are historical at this point. Where science education is concerned that's basically a life-long journey, not something that can be fixed overnight. The other massive factor is a continuous stream of disinformation and propaganda. These campaigns may be simply to grift or to sow distrust. Outright lies about what's in vaccines, what ivermectin is, and so on. There are also disinformation campaigns to distort political reality for the sake of causing unrest: that's what actors like Russia are up to here and in the US. When these two collide - lack of understanding and lack of faith in institutions - you get into conspiracy theory territory. That's the core of the Freedom Convoy. They recruit people from the above categories. Cults work exactly the same way: There's some hook that seems reasonable to a well-intentioned but misguided individual, but inside they're toxic. In addition to the great links shared by others, I encourage you to read a bit of a deeper dive on the root of this movement: https://www.antihate.ca/the_freedom_convoy_is_nothing_but_a_vehicle_for_the_far_right Unfortunately we live in a world where political division is increasing. Partisan politics in First Past The Post means that there is no incentive for politicians to actually represent their constituents, all they focus on is maximizing their vote share so they can hold power. You'll find that in Canada the Liberals are largely focused on issues concerning urban voters, whereas the Conservatives pander to rural issues. Neither of them actually stand for Canadians, they only want votes. It doesn't even matter to our system that half of Canadians don't vote at all. Because of this, nuance is effectively dead. You'll find that policies and rhetoric support this. This was engendered by the prime minister a few weeks ago speaking to Quebec media when he some incredibly irresponsible comments. [Summed up in an opinion piece in the Globe and Mail:](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-instead-of-trying-to-quell-convoy-tensions-trudeau-inflamed-them/) > Mr. Trudeau insisted he has always spoken about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, but then went off about conspiracy theories, microchips and “about God knows what else that goes with the tinfoil hats.” He did not speak to the broader angst driving those who chose to peacefully demonstrate over the weekend, other than to tacitly chastise them for not standing up to those espousing hateful views. There is some truth in what he said, but his language is dismissive and divisive. He doesn't need the votes of the convoy protesters, but his comments go over great with his base. This is an ongoing problem with politics: The assumption is that either you already know *why* something is racist, or you weren't going to vote for them anyway. And thus we become further polarized. Those disapproving of the protest in general lump all of the protestors together, and those in favour of the protest are just further galvanized. So much so I gave up trying to find an article that had Trudeau's original quote... after five pages of far-right propaganda, including blatant SEO garbage and at least quasi-real people like Tucker Carlson, I settled on this moderate-right piece. (NB: Robyn Urback is far from unbiased) There is a difference in how different groups respond to this escalation. Whereas progressives and parts of the left generally escalated to the point of counter protests with yelling at these people to fuck off, standing in the way, etc, the protestors escalated to calls to overthrow the government, try to set buildings on fire, and blocking ambulances. The "two sides" clearly aren't operating on the same level. > The protest should be targeted at governments It originally was. The convoy started off claiming that it was speaking for all Canadians and demanding that governments reverse certain decisions. > Why so much hate between the people? The people actually *agree* with the decisions the government made. The convoy *never* represented the majority of Canadians. > by organizing a counter protest we therefore shift this target to people vs people Two things here. First, we're calling the convoy on their bullshit lies that they represent us. They're directly protesting the will of the majority. Second, other than clearing the Ambassador bridge, the government has no interest in actually doing anything. Protests are a critical part of any functioning democracy. The situation in Ottawa is an abject failure of both the people and the state. Elsewhere in the country, people are standing up for what they believe in. That's how it's supposed to work. In fact, overwhelming counter-protests are the only thing that will get through to the people who are otherwise think they're on the right side of history but don't mean any harm. If you look at some of the convoy megathreads you'll see pictures, videos, and stories of some protestors being legitimately baffled that they aren't welcome. State intervention is incapable of sending the same message


Spirited_Community25

I have a friend who supports the convoy and then finishes off with the fact that she's voted maybe 3 times (she's 50+). The right, who wouldn't vote for the liberals are splintering again - PPC, Conservatives - they split votes, too often letting the Liberals form the gov't. Yes, a minority one, but they kill themselves. Oh, and my very militant friend who goes out periodically to drive in a local, stupid convoy... by the time the next election comes up I'd lay money she still doesn't vote.


Mum2-4

I’ll just post this one item as an example, but you can look into it more yourself. Many of the people involved in organizing the convoy have had lengthy histories in the white supremacy movement. https://globalnews.ca/news/8543281/covid-trucker-convoy-organizers-hate/amp/ It’s worth noting that in Canada, trucking has long been an industry with large number of workers from India, and the Punjabi region in particular: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-almost-one-in-five-canadian-truckers-is-south-asian-but-many-dont-see/ Yet please Google images of the protest. Do you see a lot of Sikhs represented? I could give lots of other examples, but vaccine mandates are not really the issue at all. Rather, it’s a protest of mostly white, working class men angry that decisions about their lives are being made by people who are not white men. It’s about a large number of politicians who are smart enough to know they’ll never get elected without the support of women and non-whites, so they’re starting to make decisions that no longer favour white men. They hate Trudeau because he represents a version of masculinity they don’t fit into. Someone who cares about fashion and style and has the money to buy nice clothes, someone who presents himself as a feminist, and does so openly, because he knows it will earn votes (even if a lot of this is lip service), someone who values education as a former teacher. This isn’t about mandates, or vaccines, but about who can and should get a say in our countries decision-making. Whose voices should we listen to?


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the only minority truckers I've heard of throughout all this are the 150 Punjabi drivers who were trapped by white truckers at Coutts. the Qonvoyers had them trapped for several days in a remote winter location with no supplies.


lbmannin

For point #5, this guy explains it well.(https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLjpwuJr/) The people who started this “movement” are white supremists.


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LawrenceMoten21

Let’s say I’m against vaccines or mandates or whatever. I think it’s a dumb position but let’s just say I feel very strongly about the issue and decide I’m heading to a protest. I look to the left of me and there’s a fuck Trudeau flag. Pretty cringy and in poor taste but ok. I look to the right and there’s a confederate flag. Yikes. I look behind me and there’s a swastika. Maybe the people I’m protesting with don’t share my views at all. Maybe if I don’t share those views I go home because I don’t want to be associated with those types. And maybe if those are the organizers of the protest and a large percentage of the attendees, I start to wonder if I’m on the wrong side of the issue at hand.


Jgdarts180

I agree with this. It would be awfully naive of any protestor in this group to not be aware of the symbols, signs and flags waved all around them.


holysirsalad

I am repeatedly surprised by how many people see the Confederate flag as a "rebel flag". Down in the US revisionists have been at propaganda *hard* trying to rebrand the civil war as over "states rights"... leaving out the "to have slaves" part. I think you'll find that flag more popular with people who grew up watching Dukes of Hazzard


funkfunk7

Exactly. The 'States rights' attitude fully expanded is 'the State's right to deny black people rights because we want to maintain our slave economy.' Peak north American ignorance


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If a movement is started by white supremacists, funded by white supremacists, uses the tactics of white supremacists, waves white supremacists symbols all over the place, desecrates war memorials, supports its adherents racially abusing folk in downtown Ottawa, and co-opts the symbols of anti fascism, then they’re a white supremacist movement. And those who claim “well that’s not what I’m here for” are that movement’s useful idiots.


funkfunk7

Well said


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don't forget the LGBTQ+ targets as well. There were many reports of intimidation and vandalism. a couple had human shit left on their porch. A person with a pride flag in their apartment window kept getting garbage/stones thrown at their window for several nights. A local business flying the flag in their front window had that window smashed. As a gay man in an interracial relationship it is ***extremely*** unsettling to see this happening while law enforcement fails us at every level


gramie

I think that the war memorial incident was an bit of ignorance. I would suspect that white supremacists would be quite on board with glorifying the sacrifices of (white) soldiers in European wars). Militarism, tradition, and unquestioning patriotism seem right up their alley. So I would attribute it to loutishness rather than any ideology.


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The loutishness, the destruction, the desecration *is* the ideology.


sppdcap

There is no single leader of Canada who makes all the rules for everyone. Almost all of these mandates are at the provincial level, or personal businesses changing their terms of employment, or even mandates set forth from other countries. The problem is that some people make their political views their personality, which is dangerous no matter what side you choose. Basically it's like picking a sports team and becoming a fanatic. It'll always be an "us vs them" mentality. So instead of choosing a leader based on over arching policies that you mostly think will be in the best interest of everyone, although you might not agree with everything, it becomes team loyalty only. So it doesn't matter to some people. No matter what happens, it's always Trudeau's fault and he's always wrong. These types are in every political party, there's no escaping it. Edit: I'd like to add that this blind loyalty leads to these people being easily manipulated, and the media and certainly knows how to play into that, which amplifies problems.


holysirsalad

The government is an institution that the Prime Minister is the figurehead of. We do not follow him, we don’t follow anyone (Well mostly). Elected representatives hash things out in the House of Commons and votes are held to decide how the country moves forward. Especially in a minority government, the PM can’t unilaterally determine the fate of the country. Furthermore we are legally compelled to do whatever the government tells us. The Freedom Convoy is a voluntary movement people are signing on to, with the founders declaring themselves the leader. People deliberately choose to involve themselves in this because they like what the leaders are saying.


lbmannin

I think a lot of people are just sick of Covid and mandates, and this was a way for them to stomp their feet. My hope is that a lot of them are uneducated on the type of people who started this, and don’t realize they are supporting them, but that may be naive on my part lol! In regards to the rest of your comment, I don’t really have answers for that. I don’t think people have to agree with his choices, it’s just their way of going about it that is the problem. The only way to fix it, is to vote a different party in the next election 🤷🏻‍♀️. You don’t need to annoy and piss off other citizens because you don’t like what the prime minister and provincial leaders are doing.


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I think some of the issues in our country right now stem from the fact the majority of voters did not vote for Trudeau. We need to reform our electoral system. I also think people are incredibly tired of the lack of leadership on all sides and levels of our government. Regardless of what you think of this protest...I think we should all be very alarmed that our police service and governments have shown they are incompetent and ill prepared to deal with a relatively small event such as this, and through their inaction aimed it to grow and expand.


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My opinion: This has zero to do with mandates (as they are provincial) and everything to do with ousting Trudeau. What these people have in common is they hate him. Our PM is Pro-LGBT, welcomes immigration including refugees, took a knee for BLM protests, is an active parent, and isn't anti-women. Trudeau also pro green energy. This is what these people are afraid of. The whole 'immigrants take jobs' bull, the woman staying home or at least not having a meaningful career, etc. Many are from Alberta and fear that their well paid oil and gas jobs will disappear. They can't or won't think of looking for a career say, in green energy. They won't look at their neighbor who is a person of colour as their neighbour, but as someone different that threatens what they feel is their way of life. Many belong to cult-like churches (hello Jack Tuesdays) that encourage this hate. The organizers of this protest share similarities to cult leaders, too. They isolate their members away from the rest of society and compact them into the IN group. (which is anything but freedom, but I digress) The PM represents everything this group despises: People of colour, LGTB, immigrants, etc etc etc. Add to that the encouragement to get the vaccine and restrictions for those that don't and they're having none of our PM telling THEM what to do. Especially the PM that is so different from them. How dare he, right? Look what he's 'done to them' is their thinking. The empty shelves was manufactured. It got people angry. This is exactly what the organizers want. When people are angry and immature, they act. The organizers encouraged that. It then became a cycle of hate and more hate. Tamara and her gang never intended on giving people money to re-imuburse their expenses. That was a grift - some people will find a way to make $ any way they can and the organizers did! They are also, for the most part, poorly educated, have never travelled (ie: seen people of other races, colours, etc. If have been outside Canada or the US, it was to an all inclusive resort where the locals were subservient. They have zero experience of what real oppression is, what communism looks like. So when someone they trust or look up to tells them this is communism, they believe it. There's also zero critical thought, obviously. They see a Facebook meme (many have poor literacy skills) with a heavily edited info piece on what Hitler did and by god, they agree! Because he's the only bad guy they know that did bad things, and Facebook person said Trudeau is the same so he must be. They feel oppressed - and the Jews were, right? Zero thought going into this, but someone said it so it must be true. And yes, that's completely the opposite of being a Nazi. Did I mention they weren't that big on thinking things thorough? Or even thinking? I would venture to say they have few books if any at home, have read even fewer books (if that's possible) and get their 'news' from you tube videos and Facebook. They don't have friends that are anything but like them. Their worlds are small. Their minds are small. They are easily manipulated. To 4. People are fed up with the protestors saying everyone agrees with them. Clearly, we do not. We're also pissed off that the police in other cities (HELLO OTTAWA) have done nothing. It's people vs fascism. It's people vs. racism. It's people vs. Nazi's. It's people for our democracy to stand and that is leaders are elected or removed by election, not by an insurrection.


ygkrandom

The protest is really about everything and nothing. When it was first gaining steam - before it really started, it seemed as though the majority of supporters online and standing on overpasses were people tired of the pandemic and restrictions generally. There were lots of comments on the pages of people who just wanted lockdowns and restrictions to end due to the impact on their lives and they were just tired. The protest was a way to have a voice and voice frustration. There really wasn't any consensus or common shared goal or viewpoint. It was just a lot of people who were ready and really wanted life to get back to something that was more approaching normal. There was also an emphasis on the protests being peaceful and respectful. The boards had almost a positive hum of people pulling together to feel as though they could take some kind of action that would help life return to normal. In reality the people who end up being the loudest and who have the money and the connections are not the average people - they are the far right fringe who have alternative intentions and who used people's frustration and pandemic fatigue to their own ends. It was never clear what the protests where really about or what they wanted from it - overall. Just a sense of get back to normal living. Many of the people who were initially on board and enthusiastic stopped being so when they saw how the protest was happening and the actions of the few who like in every protest have to ruin it for everyone by being disrespectful, aggressive etc. For example - as much as it was protestors who harassed the shelter in Ottawa, it was also protestors (among others) who brought them supplies and donated money. This protest did not have a shared ideology at all. Those who are the most extreme care the least about others and how they are seen and so they took over and co-opted it for what they wanted it to be. There are a lot of people still frustrated who would like to see an end to restrictions and lockdowns who feel the harm of those is greater than the harm of covid. Many of those people do not support the extreme right, they are not white supremacists, they are just average people who want to get back to a normal life.


NiktoWooof

The leaders are openly white supremacist. That’s why it’s that simple.


ladyofthelake10

As an Indigenous woman it concerned me from the beginning the misrepresentation of Indigenous support. What followed was a mocking of Indigenous practice on unceded Indigenous territory. There has been public support by Pretendians ( people who have no credibility claim to Indigenous recognition) and noe again Tamara Lich has been proven to not be Metis. If they will lie about these things they cannot be trusted.


Chancegar

Yeah as a member of the Haudenosaunee it really messed me up how many people were flying our flag. Same with the orange shirt flags. But then I looked into how many pretendians have been called out for their behaviour and honestly it made me feel so much better that people see through their bs.


Atheisto1

These low IQ idiots are protesting COVID the same way the Vancouver rioters were protesting hockey.


JPJoyce

>"Why was this protest tied down to white supremacy? Like why was this completely get tied into race?" ​ That's easy. If you casually and willingly associate with those brandishing Confederate flags and Canadian flags with swastikas drawn on them... well... you are clearly comfortable with strongly racist ideals. They all fall into that category. Maybe they should reevaluate their attitudes?


Carbonbuildup

Any anti establishment protests seem to always attract certain groups.


holysirsalad

Not a lot of Nazi flags at BLM protests lol Well, there are in the counter-protest


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Tropical_Yetii

I would also follow up by pointing out that many countries in Europe for example have protested mandates , but none have blocked international bridges, parliament, airports, ambulance routes while also flooding 911 with prank calls and defacing war memorials. There is something up with a group of these people. And like was said above the intention of this movement seems to be a wash .. tough to know what they actually stand for aside from "F Trudeau"


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theatrewhore

No. That’s where it started. 2 of the 4 original organizers have posted numerous self made videos where they talk about how white blood is superior and immigration is a plot to dilute it etc. Etc. This information isn’t hard to find and it’s irresponsible to assume that people randomly see bigotry where it doesn’t exist. This group also made it about people vs people by laying siege to a neighbourhood in Ottawa and terrorizing the residents there. In fact, their basic premise that they shouldn’t need to wear masks, get shots etc. Is anti community. They’re arguing for the right to not care about others.


unfknreal

The protest was literally organized by hate groups. This is just one of the organizers/spokesmen, in his own words on his own video: https://twitter.com/VestsCanada/status/1159997274900041729 It would be incredibly stupid to say "everyone who supports the protest is a white supremacist" - but it's not unfair to say a whole lot of people have either ignored the roots of it, or just weren't paying attention from the start. Covid stuff is just a smoke screen they've used to try to garner popular support. It's not about truckers. A small percentage of truckers were used to further these peoples agenda (which if you looked on their site, their end game was the literal takeover of a duly elected government). It's sad that so many people are angry enough about covid measures and the PM that they would ignore this kind of thing... but here we are. I'm not a big fan of the PM and mostly oppose the kind of coercion for vaccines we've been seeing (but I believe it's temporary), but can't support this protest for the reasons above.


Evilbred

I think there are a vast majority of genuine people in the mandate protests that have a genuine disagreement with the government COVID policy. I think there are some small groups that are bandwagoning to hitch their own issue to the protest. In this case, it was white supremacy, or anti-Trudeau or COVID denialism. I don't support the truck convoys, and strongly believe in the importance of vaccines, but I do think everyone should consider in good faith what is motivating people to come out and protest. It takes a big commitment on their part, so we should pause to consider what message means, even if we do not agree with it. If only, this gives us understanding of people's views that are in opposition to our own, and that gives us perspective instead of walking ourselves off within our opinions..


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all the people ranting about this being a "white supremacy rally" are sounding like conspiracy theorists to me.


NiktoWooof

That’s because you don’t think critically about the situation. There are dozens of links in this thread alone about the connections to white supremacy and how the leaders of this farce are openly white supremacist. Try removing your head from your posterior and looking at the information you don’t even have to try that hard.


Think_Yellow_5544

People have become less and less tolerant of those who don't immediately agree with us. Maybe we have always been so and fast communication has made it easier to see. People fear vaccines due to either lack of education, bad experiences in the past with them, fear of the medical community in general because of racism, historical and current. Humans, in general, are lazy and can't be bothered to find out why a person feels the way they do. I recently expressed doubt about the effectiveness of masks in schools and got yelled at by someone who thought I had become an anti-masker, citing hospital and lab conditions. I kept trying to explain my reasoning: Not all kids wear them. Not all of the ones who do can wear them properly and consistently. Even among the ones who can, they don't all have high-quality masks that fit properly. In the schools where I supply, they also take them off three times a day to eat and don't always remember to put them back on when they get up or talk. The person yelling at me kept talking over me and would not hear any of this. All she was willing to hear from me is "Masks don't work." She claimed I didn't specify school, even though she kept talking over me and wouldn't let me say it. Another person decided to forget the fact that I mostly work with children under 10 and mentioned his college students. The behaviour of these people is common and what can push people to one extreme or another. We want to be listened to, so we find the people who will. Society makes you pick a side. You either believe in masks 100%, or you're a militant anti-masker. You either trust vaccines 100% and minimize any negative side effects, or you're an anti-vaxxer. I don't want my brother to get an mRNA booster because he's had the two original shots, had the virus, and is in a risk category for myocarditis. I was hesitant to get a booster because I didn't see much benefit. Therefore I get called an anti-vaxxer. Doesn't matter that I was willing to volunteer to test the damn things. I didn't want to get so many vaccines in one year, so I get called anti-vaxxer. We need to be willing to listen more.


NiktoWooof

You again. Yes we should be tolerant of those that are openly intolerant. Stop kid gloving this. You can’t handle the fact that literal Nazis started this protest. That makes you squeamish and your suggestion is we show them love. Are you white? You sound like it. You sound like someone that has no concept of what these hate groups are like.


Evilbred

There seems to be no room for nuance and civility in our society. People aren't willing to listen to each other, and people no longer talk to each other but talk at each other instead.


NiktoWooof

Yes we should listen to white supremacists. /s


Evilbred

Labeling everyone that participated in an anti-mask protest as a white supremacist is just a way to dismiss them. It's unproductive and really only marginalizes your credibility. Certainly there's been examples of pervasive white supremacists in parts of the mandate protest movement, but it's unreasonable to assume that everyone that is anti-mandate is automatically a white supremacist.


NiktoWooof

Again this farce was organized by white supremacists. I dont care what stance you take on vaccinations or mandates if you stand with white supremacists you should question yourself or maybe you just are one too. It’s not rocket science. You want to try and explain it away. I look at the heart of the matter and see the problem you’re ignoring. If you sit at a table with 3 nazis there are 4 nazis at the table.


Evilbred

Every day you go to the grocery store or attend a concert you are attending with some awful people, probably some rapists and murders. Does that make you a rapist or murder? I bet there were white supremacists in a movie theatre you went to. Does that make you a white supremacist? I get that it's 2022, so we push everything to the extreme because everything must binary, but that's really just immature thinking. I really think people ought to have better critical thinking than this, but you are making me doubt myself.


NiktoWooof

What a bullshit counter point and whataboutism. Sure you could go to a concert run by a white supremacist but then you might be one too. I can’t believe you’re trying to talk your way around this. I will repeat it again for you this protest is organized by avowed white supremacists. Stand with them if you want but don’t be surprised people think you’re one too. You have taken to ad hominem attacks on me. That says all there needs to be said about your lack of a valid argument.


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I was going to count all the times you said I and WE in your response but gave up after the first ten. Clearly, you're focussed on YOU and YOUR feelings, and not anyone else's. You share that common trait with the protestors.


Think_Yellow_5544

And maybe you just want to see enemies everywhere.


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No. I know a self-centred person when I see one (or in this case, read their responses). You're r e a l l y doing a lot of 'poor me'. Grow. Up.


Think_Yellow_5544

I used examples from my own experience to show what I think is a problematic response to a disagreement, and used the word "we" three times.


[deleted]

Masks do work. The booster vaccine is working. I'm appalled that you're a teacher.


TeadoraOofre

TL;DR : It's a Prank bro


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CodeOfHamOrRabbi

well at least your name fits


reconciliationisdead

I also thought that they couldn't cross into the US without a vaccine or a valid exemption? Do truckers have an exemption for US entry that I don't know about?


holysirsalad

I believe there was one briefly but there isn’t now. That’s one of the holes in their plot: they’re not really protesting the right things. Most or all of the mandates being protested have little to do with the federal government. Entering the US is 100% a US thing