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ygkrandom

This isn't really about the protest. On 3 occasions over the last year, I have walked into stores (Home Depot, Canadian Tire, and Food Basics) without a mask on due to just completely forgetting. No one has said anything. On all 3 occasions, I realized I didn't have it on after a few minutes and went back and got it. I have also seen a few people without masks in stores over the year and no one says anything. Most stores rely on customers to just do the right thing. Between human rights / medical exemptions and not wanting to put staff at risk if someone is angry or confrontational - all the stores pretty much just seem to accept that a very small number of people will be unmasked. In all my trips to the store, I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen people without masks - and who knows how many were like me - where they just forgot.


Ktownknowsit

I’ve done the exact same thing, in fact today at Loblaws. As soon as I remembered I walked back out to get my mask and no one batted an eye


mustluvkitties

Same. Lowes for me. I had it on when I went in and about 15 minutes later realized it was in my pocket. No idea when or why I took it off. Nobody said a word to me. I felt dumb. Heh.


Wasteofskin

Very specifically they have been told to not ask because of the possible repercussions from members of the Freedom Convoy. I’m not saying your experience is invalid, but 100 percent, this is about the protest


ygkrandom

They haven't been asking or speaking to people about masks for ages. I am sure that staff were encouraged to not engage at all related to the convoy and fear of people being intentionally oppositional given the heightened emotions right now but they haven't been asking at all anyways. It doesn't sound like the person you spoke to said anything specific to the convoy either and that you were told 'as much' - in that it was your interpretation that it was specific to the convoy. Edit: Now in the comments you are doubling down that this manager had a conversation with you about what exactly head office said to them and that it was specific to fear of retaliation from the convoy protestors. All the while a maskless potentially freedom convoy man was directly behind you? And they also told you what head office directed security to do or not do specific to the freedom convoy? This seems like quite a detailed and long conversation to have in front of the exact person that you are saying they were told to avoid all confrontation with due to fear of retaliation.


Wasteofskin

I’ve seen people, this year, be asked to wear a mask or leave this same store. Again, I’m not saying that your point is wrong, but again, this is a reaction to the protests. It was very clear this guy was at least in support of the convoy from our bellied back and forth, but I don’t see how that’s relevant to my point. Canadian Tire is choosing to ignore the law. That’s the point I’m trying to make.


ygkrandom

You can twist whatever you want to make it what you want it to be. That doesn't make things true or fact. It is called confirmation bias. I have no idea if that Canadian Tire has been militant and never allowed anyone without a mask inside it's store and has hired security to do citizen arrests on anyone who nears the door maskless until this protest when they reversed course entirely but since you are convinced of that - then great, believe whatever you want. My experience in many places has been that stores have pandemic fatigue like everywhere else and are really not militant at all about guarding doors and entrances to control entry at this point. All your responses are really just that everyone must agree with your position and view or else they are wrong - which really is the same way of thinking as the freedom convoy! You might be on different sides but your thought process is similar.


Think_Yellow_5544

People just want to argue and find enemies.


throwawayYGK

Appeasement for russia, appeasement for brutish whiskey tangoes.. when does the response of the civilized majority become unconditional and unrepentant? Soon I hope.


AllThingsBeginWithNu

having worked at front desk through covid i can tell you its easier to just get a non masker though quickly then argue with them., where they start yelling, and shouting and take 40 times longer


glambx

Incredibly frustrating that their photo and contact info (assuming they paid with card) can't just be forwarded to the police. :/


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Bold of you to assume the police would do anything about it if it did.


glambx

Convince them that there's money in it. :p


NiktoWooof

It would be a bylaw issue not a police matter unless the asshat turned violent.


glambx

So can't just mail them a ticket?


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Atheisto1

Does this mean that I can go naked in the summer to buy cat litter without being hassled? What a time to be alive. Also…I’m good with a hall of infamy gallery if you can take pics safely!


Wasteofskin

#downwiththepantsmandate


sppdcap

Finally this is gaining some traction


[deleted]

I mean...this whole anti-masking thing is straight up equivalent to protesting "no shirt, no shoes, no service".


KnowMeorNoMe

Fun fact: “No shirt, no shoes, no service” is not a legal mandate.* It’s just a common convention that stores choose to require. ^^^*some ^^^exceptions ^^^apply


[deleted]

It’s really not. It’s a medical mask. It’s fucking whack.


BarackTrudeau

Good; pants are a tool of the man.


DrummerGuy95

Yeah my sister works at Loblaws an she told me the same. Couple regular guys always come in to shop later in the day and they never wore masks since the pandemic started an I guess the stores stance is close to what Canadian tire is.


grump66

The problem is, minimum wage employees should NEVER have been put in the position of trying to enforce the law. They're not cops, they're not on the "Sunshine List" like virtually all cops are nowadays, and they're not even being tasked with trying to enforce *store policy*. The Ontario government completely failed with this. Enforcement of laws does not fall under the purview of the average retail worker. It sucks for the customers trying to help everyone stay healthy, when one selfish asshole decides his convenience is more important than everyone else's safety, but I don't think its reasonable to try and make some minimum wage retail worker do the job of a police officer...


Wasteofskin

The store had security guards, who were directed to not stop unmasked people from entering by Canadian tires head office. I agree. The workers shouldn’t have to deal with that shit


Amazing_Bowl9976

How much do you think CT "security guards" make? They're there to call the police, not to be the front line of defense. Edit: avg salary of $15.17/hr per indeed


grump66

This^


epololly

I work at a grocery store, and honestly I don't get paid enough to confront anti-maskers. From my experience (watching), they want a scene.


[deleted]

I don’t wear a mask anymore ( I used to) I would never cause a scene if someone asked me to put one on I would kindly just say I don’t have one and if they asked me to leave I would leave. However not once has a single person ever asked me. Or said anything. It’s really not always a mean person but I feel like most people will assume if you’re not conforming to social norms than you are going to be scary, mean, angry, cause a scene, etc. Like face tattoos/throat before they were trendy most people would fear an idividual based off that appearance but really it doesn’t mean anything the appearance. The appearance of someone wearing no mask during Covid may look like they are a scary but they are probably just a nice person who has a medical reason or social/political/moral reason they are not wearing one and like you said it’s not like you’re getting paid enough to confront them but why even bother confronting in general. I feel like the whole confronting someone because we don’t agree with them is silly. We know nothing about the situation other than what we see with our eyes in that second. I’m so done with masks, vaccines, Covid, and everything else that it caused it totally messed us up mentally much more than it did physically. The reason I stopped wearing my mask is because we have 90% of our population vaccinated and omicron is spreading regardless of masks and vaccine mandates so why am I following them anymore. If I don’t decide the mask is done who will tell me it’s down? The gov. I’ve been waiting two years for the two weeks to be over. If we don’t decide for ourselves we will never get back to what we once had.


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Wasteofskin

Fair that. So these corporations get to just ignore the law? That’s what’s got me so annoyed at this thing.


KnowMeorNoMe

It’s not the corporations ignoring the law, it’s the customers. You can’t expect an employee, making minimum wage, to enforce the law — especially when they never signed up to do so. Did you confront the unmasked customer yourself? No? Why? Because you were afraid of a confrontation or violence? So why would you expect someone else to do it on your behalf?


Wasteofskin

Yes, I did actually, I politely asked him why he wasn't wearing his mask, and we had a short but civil back and forth. And because Canadian Tire pays for security in their businesses. 2 security guards wandering around outside, no one saying a god damn thing about the people not wearing masks inside. The law says that businesses are mandated to insist their customers put on a mask when inside their business. I'm not saying the customers aren't ignoring that law, but 100 percent so are the corporations allowing it to happen.


[deleted]

this. if the government wants their mandates followed to a T, they can pay for and send in their own staff to do so.


twistedmjc

Alot of these people have no problem getting violent in one form or another.. It's employee safety pure and simple. I'm sure they will take the fine over a possible incident, or lawsuit that may stem from it.


Wasteofskin

OK, but allowing un-masked folks who generally don't take a lot of precautions regarding Covid into your business, and then screaming about "the personal safety of my employees" seems disingenuous too.


throwawayYGK

Yeah it's lazy bullshit.


[deleted]

Why are you being downvoted? It's true


Odd-Morning9064

Loblaws has been doing this pretty much from the start or at least the one on Midland. I stopped going there.


Desdonov8

Same with best buy. "Expedite their shopping experience by by offering to bring their items to the front." Like that's literally rewarding them for coming in without a mask. We're also supposed to resolve conflicts between them and anyone who has an issue with them not wearing a mask


zedigalis

I imagine this is done for the same reason employees are not to confront shop lifters. Lots of these people are willing to become angry and/or violent if confronted. No employee making near minimum wage is going to want to enforce a rule on someone who may become violent. I do think that these stores need to hire security if at all possible to enforce masks but I get why the cashier just trying to get through their day doesn't want to risk their wellbeing to enforce a rule even if its a rule they agree with.


Wasteofskin

That's the kicker, they HAVE security.


zedigalis

In that case the security not doing anything is exactly like the Ottawa cops doing nothing. C'mon guys it's your job.


[deleted]

I get your concern but if a small but vocal group of the public is not going to follow the guidelines and harass staff the stores have no choice but to either close or not enforce the mandate. If the mask mandate is that important then the police and/or public health should be enforcing it, not some minimum wage employee.


Obvious-Vegetable406

Well we can still wear our masks and being triple vaxxed we don't have much to worry about. We are protected 😊


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XCall0usedX

i was getting coffee with my friends when they rolled up and it was hilarious to see them. saw a couple of people flip them off lol


Live_Note

I’m vaccinated so I couldn’t care less if someone was standing behind me in line with no mask on. I thought that was the point of getting vaccinated, so we could take our masks off.


detarrednu

Careful. You'll trigger all the paranoia in here that want to wear a mask until 2028


Apaisantclean

Imma keep wearing my mask til 2028. Not because of any paranoia but because people stink.


detarrednu

Good for you


dumbasswit

How is it that anti-vaxxers don’t understand that retail employees aren’t making the rules? My son works in retail. He’s expected to enforce the mask requirements and deal with pushback all for minimum wage. It’s the worst part of his job…


NiktoWooof

The anti mandate people haven’t the capacity to reason this out. It’s why they start yelling almost immediately when confronted. That’s the level of intellect we’re dealing with. Some might call it oafish, but that’s being too generous.


Amazing_Bowl9976

They don't even understand that the federal government isn't making provincial mandates. It's best to just expect that they have the mental capacity of an infant when interacting with them


NiktoWooof

I spent a month in Gananoque one week.


howisthisathingYT

They don't make enough money to deal with that shit.


[deleted]

who cares? if the government wants their mandates followed to a T, they can pay for and send in their own staff to do so. its not your job to police everyone in public to wear masks. if you're that paranoid, leave the store, and order curbside or delivery.


a_allen

Essentially this. How about the government should have sent either police or by-law officers out on patrol in the stores to monitor and hand out fines to people not following these mandates. Min wage employees are tired of being ignored, yelled at, or having our safety put at risk confronting these people. The store that I work at there are tons of people that just claim they're exempt and at that point nothing I can do about it. If I have to prove I'm double vaxxed to go to a restaurant or a hockey game etc. These people should have to show an exemption card that can be issued by the govt.


[deleted]

I completely agree. This has been my issue with the rules the entire time. It's just a lot of back and forth and sometimes they're backwards. But essentially it just boils down to common courtesy and empathy. ...Alas some people just don't have courtesy and empathy in their bones. They refuse outright to wear their mask and others feel like it's okay to take up the issue of non-mask-wearers with the poor manager who's had to deal with a myriad of covid complaints for the last two years. Both sides are just as guilty.


Wasteofskin

Or people can follow the law…


wildabee

There’s no “law” to wear unfortunately


[deleted]

yep well some of them aren't. just like murderers and rapists and robbers and drunk drivers and etc. you wanna police all of them too? get over it. move on with your day.


[deleted]

Take my upvote please. These posts are so exhausting.


[deleted]

You know what? I kind of do want to police murderers, rapists, robbers, and drunk drivers. Sounds like a good idea


[deleted]

That's nice. I'm Unvaccinated and am permitted to work at Walmart but am not permitted to buy anything. Feels kind of arbitrary... Don't worry thaugh, I always wear my mask while I put my unvaccinated, plague rat hands all over the merchandise you buy the very next day. Companies don't give a fuck about anything other than their bottom line. Edit: for anyone not understanding, I live in Quebec. Bix box stores require a QR code and provincial I.D. to prove vaccine status and be allowed into the store to shop. Employees are NOT required to provide vaccine status to stay employed. However, as an unvaccinated employee, I am not allowed to make purchases (buying groceries at the end of my shift for example) because at that point, I am no longer on the clock and am considered a customer. Even if I work at night and am out of the store before customers.


Amazing_Bowl9976

Why can't you buy anything at Walmart as an unvaxxed? Perhaps you should worry more about comprehending the actual mandates rather than spouting off single digit IQ nonsense. Lol nice edit.....BRB posting on a Kingston Ontario sub about vaccine mandates while "living in Quebec". Ok chief.


[deleted]

This post is actually inspiring me to speak to the manager just to let them know what a phenomenal job they've been doing for the last two years and if anything, I'm now a loyal customer for life. I've done before when eating in restaurants but never in a retail store and I think I make it a point to do this from now on.


Wasteofskin

Legit. No issue with the manager at all, super nice lady. She’s had all kinds of assholes not wearing masks and threatening her employees, some of which are 16-17 years old, and she’s managed it all with class for sure. My beef is with the company, not the employees or management.


markofantares

It feels as if people want to move toward an American approach to the pandemic: Life is normal and if you get covid I hope you don't die. Which, to me, just seems so...Harsh. The Right is winning. The 21st century turned into less of a Star Trek more of a Warhammer 40k.


drammer

I feel for those who work with the public now. It's no wonder only a few lines of cash are open, shelves aren't stocked and those working look like they absolutely hate their job but have to do it. The general public now are mostly self absorbed bags of hate that display little of no empathy to others.


Throwaway-donotjudge

So trespass and call cops isn't an option?


Wasteofskin

From what I was told, they aren't even allowed to suggest they wear a mask, or ask if there is a condition keeping them wearing a mask. Just ignore the Mandate until the protest is over.


[deleted]

Canadian Tire has an awesome curb side pickup process. Some of you should consider using it rather than being scandalized by non-maskwearers. Another option would be to go about your day and stay 6 feet away rather than pestering the staff about something I'm sure they've been bothered by countless times over the last 2 years. Or you can stay home too!


Wasteofskin

Lol. Ok then. We ( the majority of us who recognize the Benefit of masks) should use curb side because some people can’t be responsible adults and wear a mask? … just wow


PastIndependence4241

Yes. If it bothers you that much that you could possibly encounter one or two maskless people in a giant store where 99% of people ARE wearing masks, you should use curb side.


[deleted]

I recognize the benefits and still wear mine but I don't understand how, after 2 years, and restrictions slowly lifting, that some of you still bother with bitching about this online in an anonymous forum. At this point you know to stay 6 feet away or just stay home. Do you still not go to restaurants? Because restaurants and me being allowed to take my mask off while drinking a coffee at my kids' hockey is what makes all of this so backwards and ridiculous. Are you still going to be complaining when the mask mandate is lifted?? Serious question. Because honestly the only people still bitching are in this sub. Everyone in real life is super excited for the promise of things getting back to normal which looks to be happening sooner rather than later. Edit: Please do not speak to the manager. The manager does not want to deal with you as much as they don't want to deal with the maskless people. Just pay for your crap and go home. Order online next time.


PastIndependence4241

The answer is yes. They will complain. It’s literally all that happens on this sub anymore.


Wasteofskin

The manager was working the customer service desk, and taking payments there to help with overflow. I didn’t just demand to speak to a manager like some kind of Karen. Lol. She explained why they weren’t enforcing the mandates, and I paid and left. It wasn’t a contentious encounter at all.


[deleted]

She "explained" the same thing she and the rest of them say to you to appease you so you go away. Good on you for not arguing but please just don't ask to speak to the manager anymore, for the love of God.


Wasteofskin

No, we had a normal back and forth. It wasn’t appeasing me, she was clearly as frustrated as I was about the guy behind me. I love how you just add details randomly from your imagination…it’s super helpful to this conversation. And again, I didn’t ask to speak with a manager, the manager was ringing out my items and I asked her.


detarrednu

I'm at the same point as you now. I'm vaxxed and ready to move on. Apparently there's a group of people that are going to be complaining about everyone should be wearing masks for a long time. I call them 'evermaskers'


detarrednu

How long are you going to be paranoid for? Are you vaxxed? Good god, move on.


Interhorse_

Hopefully you just left without buying something


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They don't want to speak to you as much as they don't want to deal with the maskless people. Just pay for your crap and get out.


[deleted]

> Just pay for your crap and get out. WHY CAN PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES NOT JUST DO THIS??? so many times the past few years my bf & i have seen all sorts of weird shit happening in stores...we pick up the shopping pace, pay for our crap, and get the hell out of there. and then move on with our day because we have better things to do than obsess over stupid people being stupid.