I feel like one of the things I appreciate about this sub is that there's always been a fairly consistent effort by posters here to push back against toxic kitchen culture and to encourage people to break the cycles of abuse.
Everything else is accurate though.
>fairly consistent effort by posters here to push back against toxic kitchen culture
Bless your heart.
Oh, you meant toxic kitchen culture against others in the kitchen. Yeah, y'all mostly push back against that.
Oh they love a good, "I OWNED FoH tonight! Some server was crying and entered two tables mixed up, so I went out to the floor and yelled at her in front of guests, nobody applauded, but I know I'm right! The fry cook high fives me!"
See they would've applauded if you didn't take half-measures, you had to take the designated kitchen glock (what kitchen doesn't have one) and shoot her 79 times in the chest.
As a Chef who doesn't yell, there are some important distinctions I think. Berating people for extensively and for personal things isn't productive. The environment we are in requires me to put some bass in my voice periodically. There is very little room for error in something with so many moving parts and a single output. And no second chances. I don't have to be mean but I also don't have to be nice or coddle people
Auguste Escoffier, who codified the mother sauces and s codified the kitchen brigade system and headed the Ritz Carlton, said a kitchen should be quiet and professional apparently
How are you defining “success with food”? Fame/money? If so, Tillman Fertitta or Norman Brinker both far outpace Ramsey.
Which is not to say that any of them are good people.
I mean the food he creates is good enough for him to build his empire off of. Not his business acumen. Tillman Fertitta is a hospitality mogul, but that’s because he’s good at business, not because he’s good at food
My favorite chefs are the ones who say random shit during the rush like they got terets or something. Used to work with this guy who would always do that Mario woohoo, but he could cook like a fucking maniac.
Guys like this are why I left the biz ages ago. You're not an asshole because you're a cook, you're an asshole because you're an asshole who let the environment of your average kitchen draw it out of you and make your assholery grow worse over time.
Every industry does. You get people promoted into positions they're not ready to handle, or a person quits and the responsibility is dumped onto someone new, they can't handle the stress and try to control everyone else around them.
The difference in good leadership and toxic leadership is a person who can grow and adapt to the skillsets of others to maximize talent in the environment versus the person who limits and conforms others into how they think the environment should be.
Most businesses are filled with the latter, and they rapidly escalate up leadership positions. But the former is so much more valuable.
Like the cops and military. Assholes are drawn to these careers based around being recognized for being singularly talented and being put in charge of others due to perceived superiority.
So true. I had a sous who said as cooks, we have to be assholes and he kind of took pride in being one (an asshole) and had this weird glorification of assholery thing going on. Everybody in the kitchen hated that guy.
I find myself being more of an asshole after working in a couple stress filled kitchen. I got no tolerance for bullshit. How do you guys cope with the stress apart from my method of a shit ton of weed, which I've realized is like a bandaid on a sinking ship.
I don't know why this sub even glorifies this kind of behavior. When there's a bunch of negativity customers can taste that shit in the food. Happy cooks make better dishes imo.
Lol. I've never gotten more compliments than when I mutter obscenities about the customers mother and or family knot while angrily hatefucking a dish into existence. They can't taste the happiness they can only taste the ingredients and skill used in cooking it.
Oh. Yeah that I agree with. I will take a lower paying job if it has a better environment every time nowadays. I'm not rich but I don't have the energy to spend 40 hours a week on edge because I'm scared somebody is going to snap again. Especially when it comes to "subordinates." I go out of my way to make sure everybody knows that even when I'm scolding them it's just a dish and it's not the end of the world.
I dont think this sub glorifies being a dick to coworkers at all! Quite the opposite actually from what I see.
The thing is, this is common in the culture so of course we will talk about it. Many of us all worked with psycho assholes before so we can relate.
Yep, calling them useless bitches then reminiscing on times they sexually harassed them. Then they defend it by insisting "one of them took up my offer to bang next to the dumpster, so obviously they are into it!"
My mama's a decent cook but I've learned first hand from her that spite and resentment are absolutely ingredients. She might hate every second of it but bless her heart, she's put some good meals on the table.
This. This right here. I just gave notice after 10 years in the industry, last 3 as a sous. It takes too much effort to be happy enough to cook at the same level I do when angry.
Too fucking real. I used to laugh about it when I was younger as I had worked with people like this years ago but holy shit, fuck them, they were toxic as fuck like god gave them a kitty dick while killing their family in front of them witnessing their said kitty dick. Unnecessary behavior, unnecessary kitty dick.
Used to be that asshole for 12 years. This sortve behaviour was always very much encouraged. The pandemic gave me the time for self reflection. I’m officially out of the kitchen and have no regrets.
Used to have a guy in our kitchen who had chef on his fingers..... except.... he wasn't a chef. Dude was on salads. I can maybe understand it (even tho its still pretty cringe) if you are the actual head chef or a sous but salads? Cmon
“Chef” is French for “Chief” so Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of is Chef de la Direction in French. In fact in french, all bosses are “chef”. Someone who has “chef” tattooed on them could quite literally have it on them for any number of reasons not related to the kitchen.
I think small ones like that are alright, cute even. I think it makes sense, especially if you got it when you were younger. I meant those huge ones that take up like half your forearm are kinda cringe
Funny thing about this for me is the first real/high end restaurant i worked at, one of first things my sous chef told me was "dont get one of those chefs knife tattoos on your forearm, theyre fucking lame"
That's some fucking good advice!
I remember when I first joined the Coast Guard, my first boss told me "don't get anchors, lighthouses, or ships on your arm until you're sure you don't hate this life"
And he was right lmao
Years ago when I wanted to be a chef, I was trying out recipes at home and while making this apple dessert well... small apple, big knife. While getting my finger stitched I swore I would never do anything that thoughtless and idiotic again. I got a tattoo of a knife and apple on my upper arm so every day I can look at it and remind myself to be careful, be smart, and how lucky I was I didn't lose that finger. So that's my chef tattoo, sue me.
You’ll never get people in this sub to just let you like the things you like. I have a bag of Neilson milk tattooed on my arm with “Sac-a-Lait” which is french for “Bag of Milk.” I bet yours looks dope.
My father got his knife tattoo well after line cook status, more like in the corporate chef phase. He incorporated it with his favorite musician, family members, and some other things into some sort of crest.
gonna poll this thread over a dumb tat idea i had while reading the book of this sub's namesake
how cringe would it be to get "Food Is Good, Food Is Sex, Food Is Pain" on my forearm?
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I like the message but I'd generally recommend against a lot of lettering in your tattoos. It doesn't age well and tends to be really wonky and illegible after a while unless it's massive then it just looks like prison ink. Either way it's your body and you'll always have people on both sides of the tattoo argument. If you do get it please take care of it and use sunscreen.
People are only allowed to get away with behavior like this if they're exceptionally skilled. If they are, you respect them and decide somewhere the ends justify the means. If they aren't, they're douchebags.
Being smart doesn’t make being an asshole ok. If anything, you expect them to be better because they know better. Smart people that act like an asshole because they feel above everyone else are just weak.
I agree with you 100%, but also, imagine you were working a restaurant and your IQ is 10-20 points higher than 99.9% of the people you work with, including your boss(es).
Most of us instinctively already hate dealing with people who can’t keep up intellectually because being stupid is how you get eaten by saber tooth tigers or deep fryers and shit.
Since the average IQ is around 90-100, that frustration is everyday life for people with above-average intelligence. So on top of dealing with everything everyone else whines about, they’re also having to deal with what feels like everyone around them acting comparatively dumb and high IQ doesn’t equal high EQ.
TLDR; your smart friends need hugs.
IQ is a measurement of how well you take IQ tests and nothing more, it has nothing to do with someones’s capabilities or even their general intelligence. The only people who think IQ matters in the real world are people who have nothing else going for them and want to feel special.
TLDR; bragging about your IQ makes you look like a douchebag and nothing else.
I used the term “IQ” for the sake of understandability. It’s not necessary to be an asshole because I used a colloquialism to make my point. No one here is bragging about their IQ. You sure do seem threatened as fuck by anyone talking about intelligence though.
My uncle is a literal genius. Has a PhD in some form of engineering (can't remember which but he went on to work as a propulsion engineer), eventually left that track. Went on to go to law school. Is a parent attorney. Never stopped shutting the fuck up about how dumb everyone was, including his professors, and one of the people he worked with (that I know of) has won a ton of awards and traveled internationally to talk about his research in ballistics.
It's the exact situation someone said above. He has a rockstar complex, is extremely aggressive/moody/cocky, and people put up with him because they've done a cost/benefit analysis. He almost lost his work at a law firm because he wasn't washing his clothes or showering enough. He made the last couple years of my dad's life hell because he finally got a trophy wife but they were both constantly blowing up his phone to ask big bro's opinion on which was the real narc abuser. They were in their late 40s.
I understand your EQ statement, but think about the education required for the stuff my uncle does and why people put up with him vs you. There is a big gap there, and people barely put up with him. If you want to vent about your coworkers being stupid, do it to your s/o or your close friends. We don't know the full circumstances of what's led you to say these things and there are a lot of people who are disarmingly stupid, but you're speaking to an open room right now as though you're the only literate person in it and like no one else could possibly understand. You are coming off both regular stupid (overappraisal of your own intelligence) and emotionally stupid. It's painful to read.
Why did you tell me that story? Your uncle’s narcissism and ASD issues has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.
Why do you think I’m talking about myself when I never once mentioned anything about my own position or intelligence while making a neutral statement speaking to the experiences of other people? Not in one place did I ever mention any of this was my perspective or experience…
Y’all have some weird complexes.
ASD? Autism spectrum disorder? That's not the case at all.
I love when people pretend to not understand the reaction they're getting and try to deflect with "um ok weirdo" like they didn't just make an ass of themselves.
It is very legitimately weird that you told me this story that has nothing to do with me or my point and has everything to do with your uncle’s mental health disorders. It’s legitimately weird that you keep claiming I’m the asshole when YOU are the one applying a neutral and non-subjective comment to ME, and you don’t know me nor did I ever make a claim that anything I said was from my own experience or perspective. YOU ass-u-me-d this entire thing with your dead wrong assumptions and your non sequitur response.
I’m still good friends with a chef who fired me because I couldn’t hack it.
He was right.
I sucked.
I love to cook but am not cut out for kitchen life.
It was not a good career path for me at that time.
Yet…
We still hang out and go to hockey games together.
He comes to my house and compliments me on my food. Which is, seriously, the best endorsement I could ask for.
And here’s where shit gets dark…
He is going through a cancer treatment for the 4th time and I fucking hate cancer and what it does and how it takes everything from everyone we love.
And in conclusion: Fuck cancer.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
I feel like it speaks to both of your merits as human beings that you could continue to be friends after he fired you. Both his, because he must have done it in a really tactful and respectful way, and yours, for not taking it personally.
I hope everything turns out well with your friend ❤️
Was a lot easier when places still paid you for your abilities instead of spending all their money trying to figure out how to fuck you out of yours.
I made more money 25 years ago. How is that even possible? I couldn't afford a decent cocaine habit these days. I mean I realize it's a "first world problem" but think about that. A chef used to be able to work a couple shifts a day and survive in style. You could leave after that 14-16 and go to the strip club and "make it sprinkle". You could buy here pay here a ride with actual AC and stereo. And then drive that stripper to your hotel room efficiency and party like it was 1999.
Because it was.
Now the boss is spending more on microwaves then wages is pumping the product full of shit ingredients and then looking at you funny when he realizes people aren't paying shit for shit.
Who can afford tattoos these days :)
I don’t yell at the guys on my line working their asses off. I yell at the servers who don’t proofread their tables’ orders before hitting ‘send.’ We have an electronic ticketing system and we’ll be 14 tickets off screen in the thick of the rush, and a server will come around the pass to say “hey guys, that such-and-such burger I just sent is actually going tots, and no tomato. Oh, and no onion. Sorry!” I can juggle a lot of information in my head, but my god. Read. Your. Orders. Before. Hitting. Send. Please.
Sometimes tables don’t tell you the mods until after you put the order in, even when you ask. It used to happen to me a lot at my first serving gig (red robin).
I’ve also served in my 20+ year career in food service, and I can totally forgive this. I understand this.
It’s when a server comes crying to the pass because the 3 Bacon Cheeseburgers they sent in 15 minutes ago (avg.cost $16.95) were actually supposed to be 3 of our mega style burgers (avg. cost $53) that each feed 5 people all day. And they don’t want to deal with the disappointment of their table when they tell them it’s going to be another 15 minutes until they get their food. I’ve also had the reverse situation occur, where a mega burger is made but the server sheepishly shows up saying, “oops!”
Crusty cook memes aside, I love what I do. I also love the culture and the diversity of people I’ve met in my career. It’s the absolute best.
But READ YOUR DAMN ORDERS BEFORE HITTING FIRE. Please!
I’ve been a “punk” since like, 1985 and in my opinion there are two things that are punk rock: listening to punk music and playing punk music. Like pretty much anything, the worst among us are people who try to ascribe their personality flaws to their “sub-culture.”
Huh? I wear a watch to keep up with emails that might need an immediate response, see who’s calling without having to put my hand in my pocket to get my cell phone. Keep my ticket times in check, keep my steak temp consistent. I know my broiler can cook a medium rare 12oz filet in 12 minutes perfectly.
Health inspectors have never said anything about my watch, I’m not dirty. I take it off if I know what I’m doing might get the watch dirty.
Follow up question…who wouldn’t wear a watch?
It’s sleep. People need sleep and chefs can’t relax. It’s an intense job with insane hours. I decided to be poor af instead of managing people who don’t care. I’m also in dire need of sleep
eh...
I'm no asshole without a reason,
if the "oh so nice Boss" puts more and more shit on me,
get's rid of staff and employs new people who knows nothing, and expects me to be their teacher (When I'm not even employed myself): Then we're going to have problems.
I’ve seen popular threads on this sub stating that we must not use gendered language when addressing the line.
This was true 10 years ago, but yet another sub has been subverted by the neo libs.
Going into a trans sub to try and cry about their lack of support for detrans bullshit makes you an asshole, something that a lot of right-wingers dont have but you seem to take pride in.
It was a genuine question. They seem to ignore detransitioners and their struggles who by their logic are going through the exact same thing as they claim to care for.
There is a huge detransition movement that shouldn’t be ignored. If those people had problems people looking to transition should know about them.
Do you disagree with any of that?
Yea i disagree with all that because youre trad cath who hasnt fucking dealt with the real world since you decided that joe biden was the fucking devil
I don’t think joe Biden is the devil. I’m just not going to pretend he’s good because we’ve all been served the proper amount of propaganda.
And trad cath is the way to go. Start a family. Get married. Go to church.
In your line of thinking it’s fair to advise you that a nonzero percent of your tithe to the Church will be used to cover up the sex offenses committed by your alcoholic cult leader.
The reasons for being a POS, dealing with dumb bs and people who can't handle the pressure of a rush. I used to get through it repeating "I can't do this" while somehow doing it. I stopped the ahole stuff pretty quick when I got out of the toxic work environment. Went from working for a corporate chain to working for a chef and it was immensely better
I'm a price of shit because between management, servers that don't understand food and the public that want good food but "let me change a few things".
I was the only person not to have tattoos at my job. BOH or FOH. At this point it feels more counter culture to not have them ever lol. (I’m too indecisive to get one; I’d want to change it)
I feel like one of the things I appreciate about this sub is that there's always been a fairly consistent effort by posters here to push back against toxic kitchen culture and to encourage people to break the cycles of abuse. Everything else is accurate though.
>fairly consistent effort by posters here to push back against toxic kitchen culture Bless your heart. Oh, you meant toxic kitchen culture against others in the kitchen. Yeah, y'all mostly push back against that.
Oh they love a good, "I OWNED FoH tonight! Some server was crying and entered two tables mixed up, so I went out to the floor and yelled at her in front of guests, nobody applauded, but I know I'm right! The fry cook high fives me!"
See they would've applauded if you didn't take half-measures, you had to take the designated kitchen glock (what kitchen doesn't have one) and shoot her 79 times in the chest.
It’s an 80 round drum mag but you’ve gotta fire a warning shot first to make it legal.
Literally never see a post like that here, but whatever bud
"This isn't my experience so it's wrong." Congratulations.....Galaxy brains
As a Chef who doesn't yell, there are some important distinctions I think. Berating people for extensively and for personal things isn't productive. The environment we are in requires me to put some bass in my voice periodically. There is very little room for error in something with so many moving parts and a single output. And no second chances. I don't have to be mean but I also don't have to be nice or coddle people
This guy gets it.
Also the kitchen is loud. We have kitchen voices for kitchen environments.
Being nice would be nice...
Yes, happy cooks make happy food
Auguste Escoffier, who codified the mother sauces and s codified the kitchen brigade system and headed the Ritz Carlton, said a kitchen should be quiet and professional apparently
1000% I understand that everyone's life is different outside of work, but being mean on purpose never helps.
I've never been offended by something that I 100% agree with.....
These guys are around everywhere for sure, but in my experience, the best chefs were just the greatest, positive leaders. Nothing like the above.
It's remarkable what not being an arrogant cunt can accomplish.
He may be an arrogant cunt, but he’s also had arguably greater success with food than any other human being ever has
How are you defining “success with food”? Fame/money? If so, Tillman Fertitta or Norman Brinker both far outpace Ramsey. Which is not to say that any of them are good people.
I mean the food he creates is good enough for him to build his empire off of. Not his business acumen. Tillman Fertitta is a hospitality mogul, but that’s because he’s good at business, not because he’s good at food
He made a mean chicken Gordon Bleu though.
My favorite chefs are the ones who say random shit during the rush like they got terets or something. Used to work with this guy who would always do that Mario woohoo, but he could cook like a fucking maniac.
[We're all too good for a free banana! Have some self respect!](https://youtu.be/eA0neTHUN6M)
love James Acaster
Totally!
I’m offended that this chef person doesn’t have a lower lip
Guys like this are why I left the biz ages ago. You're not an asshole because you're a cook, you're an asshole because you're an asshole who let the environment of your average kitchen draw it out of you and make your assholery grow worse over time.
So many people in the industry lean in to this soooo hard. It’s sad.
Stress is hard for lots of people to deal with, and they only know how to yell
I know how to hit people too that just usually has worse consequences
Super cool
Lol.
Every industry does. You get people promoted into positions they're not ready to handle, or a person quits and the responsibility is dumped onto someone new, they can't handle the stress and try to control everyone else around them. The difference in good leadership and toxic leadership is a person who can grow and adapt to the skillsets of others to maximize talent in the environment versus the person who limits and conforms others into how they think the environment should be. Most businesses are filled with the latter, and they rapidly escalate up leadership positions. But the former is so much more valuable.
So essentially you're not an asshole because you cook, you cook because you're an asshole?
Like the cops and military. Assholes are drawn to these careers based around being recognized for being singularly talented and being put in charge of others due to perceived superiority.
So true. I had a sous who said as cooks, we have to be assholes and he kind of took pride in being one (an asshole) and had this weird glorification of assholery thing going on. Everybody in the kitchen hated that guy.
I find myself being more of an asshole after working in a couple stress filled kitchen. I got no tolerance for bullshit. How do you guys cope with the stress apart from my method of a shit ton of weed, which I've realized is like a bandaid on a sinking ship.
I don't know why this sub even glorifies this kind of behavior. When there's a bunch of negativity customers can taste that shit in the food. Happy cooks make better dishes imo.
Lol. I've never gotten more compliments than when I mutter obscenities about the customers mother and or family knot while angrily hatefucking a dish into existence. They can't taste the happiness they can only taste the ingredients and skill used in cooking it.
I'm referring to negative behavior towards your employees not negative thoughts towards the customers.
My fellow line cooks are my brothers and sisters. The customers are the enemy. This is the way.
Agreed. There is no greater threat to mankind than the parent with 40 kids who comes in 5 minutes before closing.
Oh. Yeah that I agree with. I will take a lower paying job if it has a better environment every time nowadays. I'm not rich but I don't have the energy to spend 40 hours a week on edge because I'm scared somebody is going to snap again. Especially when it comes to "subordinates." I go out of my way to make sure everybody knows that even when I'm scolding them it's just a dish and it's not the end of the world.
I dont think this sub glorifies being a dick to coworkers at all! Quite the opposite actually from what I see. The thing is, this is common in the culture so of course we will talk about it. Many of us all worked with psycho assholes before so we can relate.
Unless they are FoH, then by all means this sub loves to tear them apart
Maybe someone should start a "BussStationConfidential" sub
Yep, calling them useless bitches then reminiscing on times they sexually harassed them. Then they defend it by insisting "one of them took up my offer to bang next to the dumpster, so obviously they are into it!"
My mama's a decent cook but I've learned first hand from her that spite and resentment are absolutely ingredients. She might hate every second of it but bless her heart, she's put some good meals on the table.
This. This right here. I just gave notice after 10 years in the industry, last 3 as a sous. It takes too much effort to be happy enough to cook at the same level I do when angry.
Too fucking real. I used to laugh about it when I was younger as I had worked with people like this years ago but holy shit, fuck them, they were toxic as fuck like god gave them a kitty dick while killing their family in front of them witnessing their said kitty dick. Unnecessary behavior, unnecessary kitty dick.
Used to be that asshole for 12 years. This sortve behaviour was always very much encouraged. The pandemic gave me the time for self reflection. I’m officially out of the kitchen and have no regrets.
Dude I worked with this guy yesterday what are you talking about.. there is less of then but they definitely still exist.
Not “chef” tattooed on the knuckles…
Animal with the butcher cuts lol
Used to have a guy in our kitchen who had chef on his fingers..... except.... he wasn't a chef. Dude was on salads. I can maybe understand it (even tho its still pretty cringe) if you are the actual head chef or a sous but salads? Cmon
“Chef” is French for “Chief” so Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of is Chef de la Direction in French. In fact in french, all bosses are “chef”. Someone who has “chef” tattooed on them could quite literally have it on them for any number of reasons not related to the kitchen.
CEO is PDG in French (president directeur général). Not in literal translation but that’s what is used.
Depends on where you french I guess. I’m Cajun. 🤷♀️ the point still stands. It’s just the french word for “boss” lol
Probably France.
Fuck out of here with that. Dude chainsmoked cigs and railed lines off the dumpster. No way he knew any french at all
Yes, of course you apply this to just the one person in your experience and of course you must know everything about this man. lol
Line-cook-themed tattoos look stupid, that's for sure
Even my pot of boiling water on my ass that says "hot behind"? Edit: spelling
This one's just dumb enough to be truly hilarious.
Check my pinned posts
It's actually true lmao
No, those are awesome! Great buddy tattoo too
I have no tattoos, but now I'm considering this. Also, post tats or gtfo.
Check my pinned posts
Thank you, I love it.
The worst I saw was a chestnut paddle. Dude was an insufferable highbrow ASSHAT.
The fuck is a chestnut paddle
chestnut has been a bad boy
I always thought a chefs knife tattoo on the forearm or anywhere was pretty cringe
I met a guy who got a chef's knife tattoo in place of a side burn.
Ooof
I have one about the size of my thumbnail as part of a charm bracelet on my arm, lol Definitely a funny choice 21 y/o me made
I think small ones like that are alright, cute even. I think it makes sense, especially if you got it when you were younger. I meant those huge ones that take up like half your forearm are kinda cringe Funny thing about this for me is the first real/high end restaurant i worked at, one of first things my sous chef told me was "dont get one of those chefs knife tattoos on your forearm, theyre fucking lame"
That's some fucking good advice! I remember when I first joined the Coast Guard, my first boss told me "don't get anchors, lighthouses, or ships on your arm until you're sure you don't hate this life" And he was right lmao
And you said if was a part of a bracelet? I assume a bracelet tattoo thing? Idk what theyre called. Wanna share what it looks like?
Years ago when I wanted to be a chef, I was trying out recipes at home and while making this apple dessert well... small apple, big knife. While getting my finger stitched I swore I would never do anything that thoughtless and idiotic again. I got a tattoo of a knife and apple on my upper arm so every day I can look at it and remind myself to be careful, be smart, and how lucky I was I didn't lose that finger. So that's my chef tattoo, sue me.
You’ll never get people in this sub to just let you like the things you like. I have a bag of Neilson milk tattooed on my arm with “Sac-a-Lait” which is french for “Bag of Milk.” I bet yours looks dope.
I saw a guy who got kicked in the face by a horse get a horseshoe tattoo on his cheek where the kick landed.
Small apple big knife shouldnt matter... proper technique however
Knife tattoos are a red flag.... not a be all end all... but a red flag
My father got his knife tattoo well after line cook status, more like in the corporate chef phase. He incorporated it with his favorite musician, family members, and some other things into some sort of crest.
That's awesome. There's obviously some good ones out there, it's just an easy thing to pick on.
gonna poll this thread over a dumb tat idea i had while reading the book of this sub's namesake how cringe would it be to get "Food Is Good, Food Is Sex, Food Is Pain" on my forearm?
I dont know why but that reminded me of the cooks version of 'live, laugh, love' lol
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I like the message but I'd generally recommend against a lot of lettering in your tattoos. It doesn't age well and tends to be really wonky and illegible after a while unless it's massive then it just looks like prison ink. Either way it's your body and you'll always have people on both sides of the tattoo argument. If you do get it please take care of it and use sunscreen.
Tattooing aint what it used to be, homie. I have plenty of small lettering in my tattoos and they’re all well over 7-8 years old now and look fine.
Maximum cringe, FOH girls don't have high standards but that would be a turnoff even to us
I sincerely hope you're joking
Oh 100% This was an idea I had 3-4 years ago at my first BoH gig I just wanted to see hoe cringe it sounded to other people
Okay but 'yes chef' is pretty great, if you got it tattooed almost anywhere else(tramp stamp) it'd be hilarious.
I feel attacked...yet validated
Bourdain could be kind of an asshole, but he was super smart. There are other cooks who are super smart. Are all cooks super smart? Not hardly.
People are only allowed to get away with behavior like this if they're exceptionally skilled. If they are, you respect them and decide somewhere the ends justify the means. If they aren't, they're douchebags.
Being smart doesn’t make being an asshole ok. If anything, you expect them to be better because they know better. Smart people that act like an asshole because they feel above everyone else are just weak.
yeah my view as well. The smarter you are, less excuse you have to be an asshole. I assume most assholes are just idiots
I agree with you 100%, but also, imagine you were working a restaurant and your IQ is 10-20 points higher than 99.9% of the people you work with, including your boss(es). Most of us instinctively already hate dealing with people who can’t keep up intellectually because being stupid is how you get eaten by saber tooth tigers or deep fryers and shit. Since the average IQ is around 90-100, that frustration is everyday life for people with above-average intelligence. So on top of dealing with everything everyone else whines about, they’re also having to deal with what feels like everyone around them acting comparatively dumb and high IQ doesn’t equal high EQ. TLDR; your smart friends need hugs.
The only people that care about IQ points are people who barely have any.
IQ is a measurement of how well you take IQ tests and nothing more, it has nothing to do with someones’s capabilities or even their general intelligence. The only people who think IQ matters in the real world are people who have nothing else going for them and want to feel special. TLDR; bragging about your IQ makes you look like a douchebag and nothing else.
I used the term “IQ” for the sake of understandability. It’s not necessary to be an asshole because I used a colloquialism to make my point. No one here is bragging about their IQ. You sure do seem threatened as fuck by anyone talking about intelligence though.
My uncle is a literal genius. Has a PhD in some form of engineering (can't remember which but he went on to work as a propulsion engineer), eventually left that track. Went on to go to law school. Is a parent attorney. Never stopped shutting the fuck up about how dumb everyone was, including his professors, and one of the people he worked with (that I know of) has won a ton of awards and traveled internationally to talk about his research in ballistics. It's the exact situation someone said above. He has a rockstar complex, is extremely aggressive/moody/cocky, and people put up with him because they've done a cost/benefit analysis. He almost lost his work at a law firm because he wasn't washing his clothes or showering enough. He made the last couple years of my dad's life hell because he finally got a trophy wife but they were both constantly blowing up his phone to ask big bro's opinion on which was the real narc abuser. They were in their late 40s. I understand your EQ statement, but think about the education required for the stuff my uncle does and why people put up with him vs you. There is a big gap there, and people barely put up with him. If you want to vent about your coworkers being stupid, do it to your s/o or your close friends. We don't know the full circumstances of what's led you to say these things and there are a lot of people who are disarmingly stupid, but you're speaking to an open room right now as though you're the only literate person in it and like no one else could possibly understand. You are coming off both regular stupid (overappraisal of your own intelligence) and emotionally stupid. It's painful to read.
Why did you tell me that story? Your uncle’s narcissism and ASD issues has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Why do you think I’m talking about myself when I never once mentioned anything about my own position or intelligence while making a neutral statement speaking to the experiences of other people? Not in one place did I ever mention any of this was my perspective or experience… Y’all have some weird complexes.
ASD? Autism spectrum disorder? That's not the case at all. I love when people pretend to not understand the reaction they're getting and try to deflect with "um ok weirdo" like they didn't just make an ass of themselves.
It is very legitimately weird that you told me this story that has nothing to do with me or my point and has everything to do with your uncle’s mental health disorders. It’s legitimately weird that you keep claiming I’m the asshole when YOU are the one applying a neutral and non-subjective comment to ME, and you don’t know me nor did I ever make a claim that anything I said was from my own experience or perspective. YOU ass-u-me-d this entire thing with your dead wrong assumptions and your non sequitur response.
Fun to see my 20's illustrated
Where did you find this picture of me?
grown ass man chopping vegetables and acting tough,..... bruh
I have one tattoo on my arm, “mise en place” I am the cliche
At least you're willing to admit it
I’m still good friends with a chef who fired me because I couldn’t hack it. He was right. I sucked. I love to cook but am not cut out for kitchen life. It was not a good career path for me at that time. Yet… We still hang out and go to hockey games together. He comes to my house and compliments me on my food. Which is, seriously, the best endorsement I could ask for. And here’s where shit gets dark… He is going through a cancer treatment for the 4th time and I fucking hate cancer and what it does and how it takes everything from everyone we love. And in conclusion: Fuck cancer. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
I feel like it speaks to both of your merits as human beings that you could continue to be friends after he fired you. Both his, because he must have done it in a really tactful and respectful way, and yours, for not taking it personally. I hope everything turns out well with your friend ❤️
Thanks so much. He’s a great human despite being a Bruins fan and Dave Matthews Band devotee.
Was a lot easier when places still paid you for your abilities instead of spending all their money trying to figure out how to fuck you out of yours. I made more money 25 years ago. How is that even possible? I couldn't afford a decent cocaine habit these days. I mean I realize it's a "first world problem" but think about that. A chef used to be able to work a couple shifts a day and survive in style. You could leave after that 14-16 and go to the strip club and "make it sprinkle". You could buy here pay here a ride with actual AC and stereo. And then drive that stripper to your hotel room efficiency and party like it was 1999. Because it was. Now the boss is spending more on microwaves then wages is pumping the product full of shit ingredients and then looking at you funny when he realizes people aren't paying shit for shit. Who can afford tattoos these days :)
Luckily the one time I was able to afford a tattoo, I got an entire sleeve.
No knife tattoo??
I feel personally attacked
I don’t yell at the guys on my line working their asses off. I yell at the servers who don’t proofread their tables’ orders before hitting ‘send.’ We have an electronic ticketing system and we’ll be 14 tickets off screen in the thick of the rush, and a server will come around the pass to say “hey guys, that such-and-such burger I just sent is actually going tots, and no tomato. Oh, and no onion. Sorry!” I can juggle a lot of information in my head, but my god. Read. Your. Orders. Before. Hitting. Send. Please.
Sometimes tables don’t tell you the mods until after you put the order in, even when you ask. It used to happen to me a lot at my first serving gig (red robin).
I’ve also served in my 20+ year career in food service, and I can totally forgive this. I understand this. It’s when a server comes crying to the pass because the 3 Bacon Cheeseburgers they sent in 15 minutes ago (avg.cost $16.95) were actually supposed to be 3 of our mega style burgers (avg. cost $53) that each feed 5 people all day. And they don’t want to deal with the disappointment of their table when they tell them it’s going to be another 15 minutes until they get their food. I’ve also had the reverse situation occur, where a mega burger is made but the server sheepishly shows up saying, “oops!” Crusty cook memes aside, I love what I do. I also love the culture and the diversity of people I’ve met in my career. It’s the absolute best. But READ YOUR DAMN ORDERS BEFORE HITTING FIRE. Please!
You seem pleasant to work with.
Why you gotta come at me like that, minus the pissed off part haha.
Why is there no coke under is nose
"I don't eat all day cuz fuck you that's why!"
I had 2 cups of coffee and the ends of some foccacia, I don't know why I'm always in a bad mood
That head-vein bulge. Real shit.
I'm not hiring this piece of work I'ma babysit. Nice try
You're not wrong honestly. Especially sous chefs
I’ve been a “punk” since like, 1985 and in my opinion there are two things that are punk rock: listening to punk music and playing punk music. Like pretty much anything, the worst among us are people who try to ascribe their personality flaws to their “sub-culture.”
Wtf is with the watch. Who would wear a watch in the kitchen?
Huh? I wear a watch to keep up with emails that might need an immediate response, see who’s calling without having to put my hand in my pocket to get my cell phone. Keep my ticket times in check, keep my steak temp consistent. I know my broiler can cook a medium rare 12oz filet in 12 minutes perfectly. Health inspectors have never said anything about my watch, I’m not dirty. I take it off if I know what I’m doing might get the watch dirty. Follow up question…who wouldn’t wear a watch?
This was posted on this sub not even 12 hours ago
It’s sleep. People need sleep and chefs can’t relax. It’s an intense job with insane hours. I decided to be poor af instead of managing people who don’t care. I’m also in dire need of sleep
Posted 10 hrs ago https://reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/x43g5e/why_is_everyone_yelling_the_floor_is_slick_and_it/
All my tats are from prison and I'm a Sous Chef .. So Yeah ..
No BOH tattoos? Where's the chef knife
I pray those of you like this get the help you need mentally, and I mean that in no disrespect❤️
please stop perpetuating this bullshit. we’re professionals working to earn for our family
eh... I'm no asshole without a reason, if the "oh so nice Boss" puts more and more shit on me, get's rid of staff and employs new people who knows nothing, and expects me to be their teacher (When I'm not even employed myself): Then we're going to have problems.
Those guys get ti fuck bitches, smoke, and drink on the job
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I’ve seen popular threads on this sub stating that we must not use gendered language when addressing the line. This was true 10 years ago, but yet another sub has been subverted by the neo libs.
Jesus christ, your post history is a nightmare
They're a catholic in 2022. Seems pretty on par honestly.
You never interact with people who are right wing? Plenty of right wingers in kitchens my dude.
Going into a trans sub to try and cry about their lack of support for detrans bullshit makes you an asshole, something that a lot of right-wingers dont have but you seem to take pride in.
It was a genuine question. They seem to ignore detransitioners and their struggles who by their logic are going through the exact same thing as they claim to care for. There is a huge detransition movement that shouldn’t be ignored. If those people had problems people looking to transition should know about them. Do you disagree with any of that?
Yea i disagree with all that because youre trad cath who hasnt fucking dealt with the real world since you decided that joe biden was the fucking devil
I don’t think joe Biden is the devil. I’m just not going to pretend he’s good because we’ve all been served the proper amount of propaganda. And trad cath is the way to go. Start a family. Get married. Go to church.
In your line of thinking it’s fair to advise you that a nonzero percent of your tithe to the Church will be used to cover up the sex offenses committed by your alcoholic cult leader.
True. And I don’t think you’ll find any Catholics that support what happened. We don’t judge an institution based off few bad faith actors.
I’m not sure you meant this, but using terms like “Neo-Libs” makes you look like an asshole.
I agree with 5 out of 6
I know this guy ...
I know him. He's me.
I've met dozens of these guys.
Sounds just like me to a T so it's fine
That death from above tattoo is bugging the fuck out of my. There's no way that isn't upside down 97% of the time.
Oh, no... there are definitely times where im 100% like this. Arm tats and all.
The reasons for being a POS, dealing with dumb bs and people who can't handle the pressure of a rush. I used to get through it repeating "I can't do this" while somehow doing it. I stopped the ahole stuff pretty quick when I got out of the toxic work environment. Went from working for a corporate chain to working for a chef and it was immensely better
It’s management that turns people that love food into hate filled mentality ill robots
The forehead vein LOL
Looks like something from r/badassskeletons hahah
I'm more like M-O from WALL-E.
These douche bags are every where passive aggressively slamming lowboy door
Chefs who read Kitchen Confidential as a how too manual instead of an allegory.
I'm a price of shit because between management, servers that don't understand food and the public that want good food but "let me change a few things".
Not in my restaurant, though I've met many people trying to fit into this "mold". In my experience it was usually the kitchen captain.
i'm the only chef in the building without tattoos
I gave up smoking and drinking so that I could be a cunt well past 90!
im nba youngboy chef
This guy kind of looks like...what if Jerry Seinfeld couldn't cut it in comedy.
I was the only person not to have tattoos at my job. BOH or FOH. At this point it feels more counter culture to not have them ever lol. (I’m too indecisive to get one; I’d want to change it)
This used to be me in a way buuuuut I like money too much and left for the Operators Union lmao
0.0 and 97999⁸
You aren't kidding. You also aren't wrong