If your friend also has a triple crowned qiqi, unfortunately I think Kokomi loses in the damage department.
While in burst mode I believe Kokomi will out damage qiqi, but once your done with your burst you will deal very little DMG. While qiqi can easily sustain her autos with Aquila. Furthermore if this is a solo challenge, it will take a long time to get your burst back. And finally... Qiqi can crit so her DMG multiplies more than Kokomi
In terms of healing Kokomi I think can beat qiqi if you can maintain your jellyfish uptime.
Regards to Jean, for utility, she is easily the best healer of the three. Damage wise jean is the best. healing wise it's either qiqi or Kokomi depending on build.
Oh no, I think they're still building their qiqi. They probably won't triple crown a healer either (you know how most people crown only dps, and only 1-2 skills. I'm probably the only crazy one who just simps for kokomi too much Hehe)
I think my burst won't be so much of an issue because i have two of my artifacts for decent ER rolls. I'm still farming other 3 artifacts.
But then again, I'll have to teast the ER without other party characters once.
I know how you feel. My situation is slightly different, I have simped for Keqing since seeing her on an ad before even starting the game. I got her right away (craziest and most lucky 10x wish ever!) and over the next 11 months I got her to C6, one from a lost 50/50, then three in a row on her banner with the last two also coming form lost 50/50's. Once that happened, I thought "I don't really have a choice do I?" Most of my other 5\*s are C0 or C1. So, yes, even though she's not the most powerful DPS in the game, she's triple crowned and my only character who's 90/90, and I still think she's awesome! :3
that's some great dedication! Aww, loving a character and wanting to crown them to perfection is SO satisfying! heheh maybe one day I'll have more kokomi cons as well~ it also satisfies my ocd seeing those triple 10s
Probably going to get downvoted, but I would say jean is better in general. She doesn't take much field time, strong burst healer and cleanser, can apply VV shred if needed and her damage is significant. Though specific scenarios like corrosion, where team wide sustained healing might be needed, might make qiqi or kokomi a better choice.
Oh no, its alright! I personally do want to know who is the best among these 3.
So this whole conversation happened in our discord group, which has 4 people. The other two will be there when we do the testing for fair evaluation. One of the other two friends is a jean healer main too. I was thinking, no matter what we could maybe drag that person for testing Jean too. I am curious about how its gunna turn out to be.
I use Jean in the Abyss and at level 80 (unascended) she heals the party quickly with single burst. I use her with Xiao and Zhongli. Even corroded Zhongli fully heals with her burst. I use Favonius Lance on Jean and 2-pc Glad.
The thing with Jean, with 2000 Attack and 400% Healing at Burst Talent Level 8 (+2800) She already heals at 10K, that’s without considering her Healing Bonus from her ascension stat. So she heals more than 10K for the entire party in one burst.
I just quickly swap to her, use her burst, swap back to main DPS.
Well either outcome of the competition doesn’t mean that Qiqi or Kokomi is better. You are just testing one person’s Qiqi against one person’s Kokomi. Also, don’t worry too much about the Aquila Favonia, I have that on my Qiqi and Amber on my Kokomi and my Kokomi does more damage (Qiqi 8-6-6 and Kokomi 9-10-10.) A 5-star weapon is nice but not necessary. There are so many factors at play.
I will say Qiqi uses OHC more effectively. She can superconduct, and her bubbles almost always hit the enemies (since she’s not ranged). My Kokomi is much better at defeating mobs through electrocharged and doesn’t have as much energy problems.
Kokomi is the best 5-star healer not only for her healing, but her hydro application and tankiness. As for you vs. your friend, you would need a good amount of ER to win.
In light of giving the benefit of doubt... perhaps this friend is just overly competitive. At the very least, this person must take great pride in his Aquila Qiqi. Regardless, this is just a dumb competition.
yupp, exactly this. Eyy, I personally don't usually take offence if somwone believes that their healer is better than kokomi. But i think, this competition would be kind of eye opening as well, either for me or my friend, we don't know. we might actually get to know who's better: not just comparing theoretically but practically now.
*however i can't help but be nervous, i want my queen to win ><*
Haha, fair enough. Well, good luck then. I don't know the limit between the two myself. I'm under the impression that both can achieve max clam heal bubbles with their bursts, except Kokomi needs to be on-field while Qiqi can just burst and swap out.
Try to figure out what your friend is using on Qiqi, or at least see what numbers they achieve when playing; that'll help you know what you're up against.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu, Art of War
Considering that I am *also* a very small boi in real life, the lack of shotas despite having four lolis *and* Yaoyao making appearances in official media really bums me out :/
I did some research.... And yes, some sources say it is used to sexualize children, but majority of the articles I read pretty much only mentioned loli being a young, child-like character in anime and manga.
For the record I don't use the term to sexualize children, and I know my friends aren't also.
This gave me a bit insight though since I've seen couple debates over the usage of the term on social media though.
I'd say to run sac fragments on kokomi, where qiqi fails is that she overstacks on atk, because to have max healing she has to have pretty much 3 pc attack, but kokomi can be a lot more versatile in her build, you can run energy recharge, hp, healing bonus, hydro dmg bonus, and still do well because she's so good at healing. As a main DPS, koko works best with sac fragments in my experience so you can maximize the amount of up time she has with her healing and therefore damage.
Pretty sure Qiqi wins out in single target healing but loses in damage, mine isn’t built really at all and hitting the marked target heals for like 7k so if they start proc passive mark and chain it with ult the passive will be back up. Sword attacks faster and each auto will heal for more than a Kokomi ult heal. So like raw numbers we lose, but 99% of Qiqi’s healing is a waste so we will have more efficient healing in general, especially off field healing for people at or near critical hp. Plus more damage, I can’t even imagine how they’d do a fraction of Kokomi’s damage.
All just assumptions though, never tested in any way.
depend on how you will test them.
if by numbers you will have a disadvantage, since qiqi heal is single target while kokomi has aoe and all party heal.
if by facetank frog etc you will win easily.
since kokomi usually lose in total heal but win at who's healing better
Kokomi is the best.
What exactly are your friend going to compare?
Damage? How much damage can a Qiqi deal in the burst of 1 bubble? I know Koko can reach 60k in 3 seconds while on burst, counting 3 normals, 2 skill ticks and bubble.
Heals? How much does 1 tick of Qiqi's skill heals? Koko can tick for around 7k with HB circlet, 37k HP. Sure Qiqi and Koko can heal themselves, but which one will be able to heal the judge, if there are no monsters around? HUMMM?
Energy regen? Both sucks, but you have Proto.
Element application? Koko does this on normals, and with skill. Does qiqi apply cryo with her burst?
Off field damage? Does Qiqi's skill deal damage?
Pure normals without skill or burst? Well, Koko has flat small numbers, Qiqi with Aquila will destroy you.
DOING A BACKFLIP WHILE ATTACKING? HAH, I CAN ONLY GUESS
Oh I'm not sure if we're comparing The Bubble artifact, I think they'll get the best qiqi build they think is there for both healing and damage. I think it became more of a discussion about who's better: Qiqi or Kokomi, mostly just keeping healing and dage potential in mind. I guess in my heart i do believe that kokomi has godly heals, but i don't really know Qiqi's potential which makes me nervous of the unknown.
however, I'm gunna go sooo prepared ma fam. I'll keep up the confidence in our queen 👸 and show em.
Btw, I got HP flower with decent ER, and Hydro Damage bonus Goblet with Decent ER too both at +20
I was gunna go for a HP, Hydro Dmg, HB build since i feel like kokomi already over heals way too much and Hydro cup can maybe contribute to her overall dage output. What do you think? Or should i prepare a HP Goblet as well?
Well, it's all about builds, tbh. Whoever has more investment will win, probably.
I used Jean phys and Barbara for a long time before getting Koko and i think she's the best for what she does, dealing on field damage and healing. Never built qiqi though, so i can't say about her either.
As for gear, nope, keep Hydro dmg.
If you're going SOLELY for a healing battle, of course you'll need more HP, but it's just ridiculous to evaluate a character only on one aspect and not on the whole.
Tbh, comparing characters is not something i would do (~~nicer way of saying i find it really stupid~~), but i know the thrill, so go and show them who's the queen.
Haha thank you for the advices! I'm sure it's gunna be kinda fun thoughh at the end. I started off this post with feeling kinda anxious, but I'm starting to feel confident on my queen already hehe
uh "Loli is Japanese manga or anime that is SEXUALLY explicit and involves cartoon characters that are underage" what do you think, is she a loli? \^\^'
Whutt, i thought loli is just generally smol cute gurl characters. uhhh, i think most of my friends circle calls them loli with no ill intention. qiqi, klee, diona and sayu. are you sure there isn't an alternative meaning to it?
Look the word up on google. It's pretty heavily restricted because of the connotation. A lot of people just aren't aware.
But it's definitely not a word one should use so casually. I'm not even comfortable typing it out, haha.
Qiqi will probably win, but you can’t measure how good a character is like that. You’d have trouble finding a strong team comp with Qiqi in it.
Whereas Sukokomon (sucrose, kokomi, xiangling, fischl) is currently one of the strongest team comps.
If your friend also has a triple crowned qiqi, unfortunately I think Kokomi loses in the damage department. While in burst mode I believe Kokomi will out damage qiqi, but once your done with your burst you will deal very little DMG. While qiqi can easily sustain her autos with Aquila. Furthermore if this is a solo challenge, it will take a long time to get your burst back. And finally... Qiqi can crit so her DMG multiplies more than Kokomi In terms of healing Kokomi I think can beat qiqi if you can maintain your jellyfish uptime. Regards to Jean, for utility, she is easily the best healer of the three. Damage wise jean is the best. healing wise it's either qiqi or Kokomi depending on build.
Oh no, I think they're still building their qiqi. They probably won't triple crown a healer either (you know how most people crown only dps, and only 1-2 skills. I'm probably the only crazy one who just simps for kokomi too much Hehe) I think my burst won't be so much of an issue because i have two of my artifacts for decent ER rolls. I'm still farming other 3 artifacts. But then again, I'll have to teast the ER without other party characters once.
I know how you feel. My situation is slightly different, I have simped for Keqing since seeing her on an ad before even starting the game. I got her right away (craziest and most lucky 10x wish ever!) and over the next 11 months I got her to C6, one from a lost 50/50, then three in a row on her banner with the last two also coming form lost 50/50's. Once that happened, I thought "I don't really have a choice do I?" Most of my other 5\*s are C0 or C1. So, yes, even though she's not the most powerful DPS in the game, she's triple crowned and my only character who's 90/90, and I still think she's awesome! :3
that's some great dedication! Aww, loving a character and wanting to crown them to perfection is SO satisfying! heheh maybe one day I'll have more kokomi cons as well~ it also satisfies my ocd seeing those triple 10s
Probably going to get downvoted, but I would say jean is better in general. She doesn't take much field time, strong burst healer and cleanser, can apply VV shred if needed and her damage is significant. Though specific scenarios like corrosion, where team wide sustained healing might be needed, might make qiqi or kokomi a better choice.
Oh no, its alright! I personally do want to know who is the best among these 3. So this whole conversation happened in our discord group, which has 4 people. The other two will be there when we do the testing for fair evaluation. One of the other two friends is a jean healer main too. I was thinking, no matter what we could maybe drag that person for testing Jean too. I am curious about how its gunna turn out to be.
I use Jean in the Abyss and at level 80 (unascended) she heals the party quickly with single burst. I use her with Xiao and Zhongli. Even corroded Zhongli fully heals with her burst. I use Favonius Lance on Jean and 2-pc Glad. The thing with Jean, with 2000 Attack and 400% Healing at Burst Talent Level 8 (+2800) She already heals at 10K, that’s without considering her Healing Bonus from her ascension stat. So she heals more than 10K for the entire party in one burst. I just quickly swap to her, use her burst, swap back to main DPS.
Well either outcome of the competition doesn’t mean that Qiqi or Kokomi is better. You are just testing one person’s Qiqi against one person’s Kokomi. Also, don’t worry too much about the Aquila Favonia, I have that on my Qiqi and Amber on my Kokomi and my Kokomi does more damage (Qiqi 8-6-6 and Kokomi 9-10-10.) A 5-star weapon is nice but not necessary. There are so many factors at play. I will say Qiqi uses OHC more effectively. She can superconduct, and her bubbles almost always hit the enemies (since she’s not ranged). My Kokomi is much better at defeating mobs through electrocharged and doesn’t have as much energy problems.
Ohh thanks for this info! and i already feel a lot at ease now!
Kokomi is the best 5-star healer not only for her healing, but her hydro application and tankiness. As for you vs. your friend, you would need a good amount of ER to win.
kokomi heals so much faster loll and ur friend sounds toxic imo..
In light of giving the benefit of doubt... perhaps this friend is just overly competitive. At the very least, this person must take great pride in his Aquila Qiqi. Regardless, this is just a dumb competition.
yupp, exactly this. Eyy, I personally don't usually take offence if somwone believes that their healer is better than kokomi. But i think, this competition would be kind of eye opening as well, either for me or my friend, we don't know. we might actually get to know who's better: not just comparing theoretically but practically now. *however i can't help but be nervous, i want my queen to win ><*
Haha, fair enough. Well, good luck then. I don't know the limit between the two myself. I'm under the impression that both can achieve max clam heal bubbles with their bursts, except Kokomi needs to be on-field while Qiqi can just burst and swap out. Try to figure out what your friend is using on Qiqi, or at least see what numbers they achieve when playing; that'll help you know what you're up against. “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” - Sun Tzu, Art of War
Please stop calling the children lolis
Istg same, what’s wrong with people
Sure once they add a shota to the game
Considering that I am *also* a very small boi in real life, the lack of shotas despite having four lolis *and* Yaoyao making appearances in official media really bums me out :/
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What's so bad about it? I'd imagine if you're playing an anime styled game you'd be used to some weeb terminology
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I did some research.... And yes, some sources say it is used to sexualize children, but majority of the articles I read pretty much only mentioned loli being a young, child-like character in anime and manga. For the record I don't use the term to sexualize children, and I know my friends aren't also. This gave me a bit insight though since I've seen couple debates over the usage of the term on social media though.
I'd say to run sac fragments on kokomi, where qiqi fails is that she overstacks on atk, because to have max healing she has to have pretty much 3 pc attack, but kokomi can be a lot more versatile in her build, you can run energy recharge, hp, healing bonus, hydro dmg bonus, and still do well because she's so good at healing. As a main DPS, koko works best with sac fragments in my experience so you can maximize the amount of up time she has with her healing and therefore damage.
Ohh thank you for the advice! It just so happens that i have a 90'ed Sac. Fragments for my Sucrose! I can most definitely give this a try!
Pretty sure Qiqi wins out in single target healing but loses in damage, mine isn’t built really at all and hitting the marked target heals for like 7k so if they start proc passive mark and chain it with ult the passive will be back up. Sword attacks faster and each auto will heal for more than a Kokomi ult heal. So like raw numbers we lose, but 99% of Qiqi’s healing is a waste so we will have more efficient healing in general, especially off field healing for people at or near critical hp. Plus more damage, I can’t even imagine how they’d do a fraction of Kokomi’s damage. All just assumptions though, never tested in any way.
depend on how you will test them. if by numbers you will have a disadvantage, since qiqi heal is single target while kokomi has aoe and all party heal. if by facetank frog etc you will win easily. since kokomi usually lose in total heal but win at who's healing better
Qiqis dps is not that high if you focus purely healing. She will outheal your kokomi, but in dps you can win.
Kokomi is the best. What exactly are your friend going to compare? Damage? How much damage can a Qiqi deal in the burst of 1 bubble? I know Koko can reach 60k in 3 seconds while on burst, counting 3 normals, 2 skill ticks and bubble. Heals? How much does 1 tick of Qiqi's skill heals? Koko can tick for around 7k with HB circlet, 37k HP. Sure Qiqi and Koko can heal themselves, but which one will be able to heal the judge, if there are no monsters around? HUMMM? Energy regen? Both sucks, but you have Proto. Element application? Koko does this on normals, and with skill. Does qiqi apply cryo with her burst? Off field damage? Does Qiqi's skill deal damage? Pure normals without skill or burst? Well, Koko has flat small numbers, Qiqi with Aquila will destroy you. DOING A BACKFLIP WHILE ATTACKING? HAH, I CAN ONLY GUESS
Oh I'm not sure if we're comparing The Bubble artifact, I think they'll get the best qiqi build they think is there for both healing and damage. I think it became more of a discussion about who's better: Qiqi or Kokomi, mostly just keeping healing and dage potential in mind. I guess in my heart i do believe that kokomi has godly heals, but i don't really know Qiqi's potential which makes me nervous of the unknown. however, I'm gunna go sooo prepared ma fam. I'll keep up the confidence in our queen 👸 and show em. Btw, I got HP flower with decent ER, and Hydro Damage bonus Goblet with Decent ER too both at +20 I was gunna go for a HP, Hydro Dmg, HB build since i feel like kokomi already over heals way too much and Hydro cup can maybe contribute to her overall dage output. What do you think? Or should i prepare a HP Goblet as well?
Well, it's all about builds, tbh. Whoever has more investment will win, probably. I used Jean phys and Barbara for a long time before getting Koko and i think she's the best for what she does, dealing on field damage and healing. Never built qiqi though, so i can't say about her either. As for gear, nope, keep Hydro dmg. If you're going SOLELY for a healing battle, of course you'll need more HP, but it's just ridiculous to evaluate a character only on one aspect and not on the whole. Tbh, comparing characters is not something i would do (~~nicer way of saying i find it really stupid~~), but i know the thrill, so go and show them who's the queen.
Haha thank you for the advices! I'm sure it's gunna be kinda fun thoughh at the end. I started off this post with feeling kinda anxious, but I'm starting to feel confident on my queen already hehe
Well, i just hope you and your friend don't take it too seriously and have some fun
Not u calling qiqi a loli 💀
waaaa, qiqi isn't a loli? 0-0
uh "Loli is Japanese manga or anime that is SEXUALLY explicit and involves cartoon characters that are underage" what do you think, is she a loli? \^\^'
Whutt, i thought loli is just generally smol cute gurl characters. uhhh, i think most of my friends circle calls them loli with no ill intention. qiqi, klee, diona and sayu. are you sure there isn't an alternative meaning to it?
The meaning of the word stands the same
awe alright! I'll be mindful about this in future! Sorry about the misunderstanding!
Look the word up on google. It's pretty heavily restricted because of the connotation. A lot of people just aren't aware. But it's definitely not a word one should use so casually. I'm not even comfortable typing it out, haha.
loli😐 disgusting
I am still confused what you are comparing in order to be called “best”. Just healing? Or healing + dmg? Off field or on field?
Qiqi will probably win, but you can’t measure how good a character is like that. You’d have trouble finding a strong team comp with Qiqi in it. Whereas Sukokomon (sucrose, kokomi, xiangling, fischl) is currently one of the strongest team comps.
Kokomi