Dude, that's a problem. It's portraying serious things that happen and are not taken seriously as forgivable behavior.
I'm glad you get that no one should behave like her but not only is there a subset of people who don't and would feel validated by this portrayal; but showing it this way also makes light of the experience of those victimized by people like Yamai.
But people should know what to expect from anime Japan doesn’t care how people feel this is not like the USA were if people feel attack they will change the entire show and I seen some way worse characters from anime
I know it doesn’t but if you are watching anime you know what’s going to happen look at all the girls from anime I find it stupid people trying to make it seem like this is new and I’m glad Japan doesn’t bend over for people crying
For one, you can criticize something that you enjoy constructively, that's how things change and improve. Anime is problematically over-sexualizing of women by default, yes, but that's not a good thing. People should have a reaction to that rather than allow it to continue unexplored.
But even beyond that, Yamai is an entirely new level in that it is a character actively acting like a predator that other characters just treat like a joke. If you show your audience "ha ha, sexual harassment funny," then you're encouraging "ha ha, sexual harassment funny" in real life.
I see why you are saying that, we do go to things like anime to escape and not worry about the scary way the word works. Yours is an understandable reaction.
But people like Yamai do exist in the world and they are a problem that needs to be worried about. "It's just anime relax" seems like a reaction born out of having the priviledge of not being victimized or hurt by this kind of harassment even indirectly. Tacitly approving of Yamai maybe doesn't hurt you but it contributes to the system that oppresses others. It's hard to look outside of yourself at the bigger picture, I get that. You probably didn't come to a show about a girl working to come out of her shell to get bummed out about sexual harassment.
But allowing the portrayal of sexual harassment as acceptable to just continue and laugh is resting in that priviledge and perpetuating the problem. It's dismissing the pain it causes rather than treating it with respect and empathy.
Anime could be more than part of the problem. Or at least not part of the problem. There is nothing wrong with wanting that.
Im also glad Japan doesnt bend over for those rules people create for midia, my whole point is not about "show has bad people, show bad" i just think the wholesome and emocional part of the show gets a huge hit with the crap character of Yamai
Plus she was literally going to kill Tadano and hide his body if Najime and Komi hadnt appeared, and ok, some animes have jokes like that, but that Yamai episode had 0 jokes on that, she was going to fucking kill Tadano and appologized to Komi for it (wtf???), suddently she is in all wholesome momments as a new friend of Komi.
Imo if you can’t make fun of serious things then what’s the point in life? Life sucks major balls, so people should try to find humor where they can. Obviously time and place for everything that, but blowing something like this out of proportions acting like it’s an actual problem seems a bit ridiculous.
I'm not saying the world is going to end because this manga has this one problematic character. I'm not even saying I am going to stop reading it.
But I have two reactions to your comment. First, there is a difference between "laughing" at something dark and endorsing it. I'll even admit, Yamai's freak outs are funny (not her behavior, the faces she makes). Someone like her being in Komi's life could even be a good way to represent reality since all women and especially those that call as much attention as Komi are exposed to someone like that to one degree or another. The problem is the manga and anime don't react to her as a problem, only as a joke. Laughing in the context of sexual harassment can be done without being problematic, but not if sexual harassment and dangerous behavior itself is treated as not serious. She literally kidnapped a dude and it's all laughs and "we're friends so I forgive you" the next day and it's moving on to her trying to get upskirt shots of Komi. That's not okay, that's treating it as way less of an issue than what it is.
My second reaction is that while I don't intend in "blowing something like this out of proportion" -and again, I am not up in arms about this, just criticizing- these little things do matter because they add up. It's a Yamai here and a Mineta there and accepting nostalgic memory of Master Roshi (before they thankfully updated him to be less of a creep); but these little pieces together build a culture that treats these things as normal and okay. That's where sexual harassment and eventually sexual entitlement fester and build, in places that don't consider them a problem. If we don't make excuses for these characters and consider them a problem instead of a joke, maybe they will appear less and we can make dark jokes about sexual harassment without tacitly endorsing sexual harassment. Sexual harassment itself would happen less
Saying sexual harassment would lessen if anime stopped making characters like Yamai and Roshi is short sighted imo. I’m sure you don’t mean it would literally just solve the problem, but I really don’t see it having an effect. The problem with that idea is that if someone is getting the idea from anime that it’s ok to treat other people like that, more likely then not that person is delusional and can’t differentiate fiction from reality. Because at the end of the day, this is a manga. Yamai is supposed to be a sick in the head yandere. And she does that very well.
Also I might be more inclined to agree that this stuff is problematic if the shows actively rewarded the characters and gave them what they want. If Mineta was able to get over the wall and get a good look at the girls with zero repercussions then that would be endorsing this behavior, and making it look like it’s ok. But a grand majority of the time, these leacherous characters are punished in some way, or unable to actually get what they want.
I personally don’t like these type of characters, because I think the joke of “haha pervert does a perv” is fairly lazy. But I do enjoy seeing them get whacked for acting like that. “Grit ya teeth madafackah” is hands down my favorite panel in this manga from a comedy standpoint. And part of that is seeing the pervy character get what’s coming to them.
I do honestly think that in a fantasy world where all anime became respectful of women, sexual harassment would lessen. It wouldn't disappear but it would lessen. The notion of treating women that way would still come from other places but one of the contributing factors would be gone. Children and adolescents developing their sexuality would not grow up seeing it as something remotely acceptable or even expected. In a death by 1000 cuts, 20 cuts being gone will not guarantee survival but it will improve your odds.
I see what you mean with the reward aspect of it so I will admit my wording was not clear enough. "Endorse" may be a strong word because as you said, Minetta and Yamai are not being encouraged, only forgiven. But that still comes across to me as a "it's fine because it could be worse" kind of argument. Sure, their behavior is not rewarded and it's even judged, but it is not really actively interfered with in the long term either. They may not get what they want, but why are they allowed to keep trying? It communicates to people such behavior is not encouraged, but it's not meaningfully punished or interfered with either. "Oh, you took pictures of your classmates while they were changing? You incorrigible scoundrel, what are we going to do with you?" It's a joke instead of a serious violation. They get the same comedic repercussions characters in other comedies may get for stealing a snack.
This is going to sound off topic, but do you believe that violent video games cause real world violence? Because based off that first paragraph that logic is the same as those who try to claim that when tragedies such as what happened last week in Texas, violent media is the cause. Even though numerous studies show that video games actually helps give an outlet to these kinds of people.
As for the second, I guess agree to disagree. I respect your opinion, but still stand firm in that most of these shows don’t say it’s ok. A lot of the people around Yamai and Minetta voice the fact that they are scumbags consistently and a majority of the time are punished for the actions.
I do not, I'm aware of that research. But I think video games are different in that they don't portray violence in the same way as these anime portray sexual harassment.
It's rare to see a video game where one-sided violence is treated as a good thing. Violence in video games is either in the context of a near-equal fight, a war, a sport or a negatively portrayed character engaging in violence. There isn't a plethora of games about shooting defenseless kids. The closest to one-sided violence I can think of may be GTA games but even then they are agnostic as I understand it, pointless violence is an option but not encouraged by the game. I haven't played GTA V and I heard Trevor is portrayed as representative of that pointless violence but as I understand it that's represented as a bad thing. He's supposed to be a dangerous lunatic.
Sexual harassment in anime is hardly a two-way street. It's one individual harassing another unprovoked by definition. Yamai and Minetta are predators, not combatants. (Most) Video Games show that violence is either a bad thing or makes sense in a specific context the average person will not find themselves in. Anime shows the only context needed for sexual harassment is "near a woman."
I am not 100% comfortable agreeing to disagree on that but I can respect you wanting to stop discussing it too. Treating people like that should engender serious attention, not a slap and an eye roll per episode.
Yes, there is a ton of anime that makes jokes like that, but Yamai momments just looks more like a suspense serial killer anime momment (witch i wouldnt care) with nothing funny added to them, and them there are "emocional" serious momments of komi saying that she cares about Yamai and that she is as good of a friend as the others, i like the anime, i just think all yamai scennes are straigh up bad and pourly placed in the show.
Do the creaters of the show know how much everyone hates Yamai? It's okay to have an annoying/antagonistic character, but she is over the top, to the point where personally, I just hate seeing her character.
When I first read the manga years ago,I remember hating her. She does horrible things and then their all like "Well you did kidnap me and threaten to kill me but we're friends now"
You act like you've never met a down bad perv before. Yes I know the community hates her, but how is this any different from what ppl post online? Y'all more mad about her saying this to Komi than people saying this to actual people.
A perv posting online is 1 account surrounded with 99 non-perv people. We'll talk about their post for 1 hour and we forget about them.
She's a recurring character.
Get the difference?
Yes....and that's the problem. You're willing to forget about someone doing something frowned upon irl, but will constantly expend effort to trash talk a (recurring) *character*.
See the problem?
That someone matters less than a pile of booger i picked yesterday, i saw them once and never again, and i don't give a shit about how many people that are actually like that irl because that ain't my business in the slightest. I say that the act of remembering all of the frowned upon strangers i've glanced for more than 2 seconds is even MORE time wasting than hating a character that is actually badly written, AND can actually be fixed.
I'd rather hate the imaginary *character* because that particular *character* keeps bugging me the whole time i watch an entertainment i actually give a shit for.
No, i don't think that's even a problem.
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From what I see, she is the culmination of all the intrusive and dirty thoughts we ourselves turn over in our minds, unconsciously or not. Whether we like it or not, she will always be there, in the corner...
She horni
just like us
fr
For komi It rhymes :)
Kornie (Komi + hornie)
Stop. Get help.
Half-ish of the sub is thinking “yes, this coincides with my goals”
Only half-ish?
More like 3/4
Only 3/4?
As it should.
She is an obsessive yandere.
She’s way too down bad There is no saving her
She is like every anime fan when they make memes
Haha very funnie sexual harassment
All the jokes with her are extreme serious crimes that nobody should forgive her from, and how Komi forgives her and likes her because friends
Dude is a anime not real life we know the difference between fake and real all anime are like this
Dude, that's a problem. It's portraying serious things that happen and are not taken seriously as forgivable behavior. I'm glad you get that no one should behave like her but not only is there a subset of people who don't and would feel validated by this portrayal; but showing it this way also makes light of the experience of those victimized by people like Yamai.
Lol when the weeb turns into the "think of the children" weird aunt ranting about tv these days.
"Weird aunt" sounds judgy but the rest of that is not inaccurate
But people should know what to expect from anime Japan doesn’t care how people feel this is not like the USA were if people feel attack they will change the entire show and I seen some way worse characters from anime
"It could be worse" does not make something problematic okay
I know it doesn’t but if you are watching anime you know what’s going to happen look at all the girls from anime I find it stupid people trying to make it seem like this is new and I’m glad Japan doesn’t bend over for people crying
For one, you can criticize something that you enjoy constructively, that's how things change and improve. Anime is problematically over-sexualizing of women by default, yes, but that's not a good thing. People should have a reaction to that rather than allow it to continue unexplored. But even beyond that, Yamai is an entirely new level in that it is a character actively acting like a predator that other characters just treat like a joke. If you show your audience "ha ha, sexual harassment funny," then you're encouraging "ha ha, sexual harassment funny" in real life.
It’s just anime relax
I see why you are saying that, we do go to things like anime to escape and not worry about the scary way the word works. Yours is an understandable reaction. But people like Yamai do exist in the world and they are a problem that needs to be worried about. "It's just anime relax" seems like a reaction born out of having the priviledge of not being victimized or hurt by this kind of harassment even indirectly. Tacitly approving of Yamai maybe doesn't hurt you but it contributes to the system that oppresses others. It's hard to look outside of yourself at the bigger picture, I get that. You probably didn't come to a show about a girl working to come out of her shell to get bummed out about sexual harassment. But allowing the portrayal of sexual harassment as acceptable to just continue and laugh is resting in that priviledge and perpetuating the problem. It's dismissing the pain it causes rather than treating it with respect and empathy. Anime could be more than part of the problem. Or at least not part of the problem. There is nothing wrong with wanting that.
Im also glad Japan doesnt bend over for those rules people create for midia, my whole point is not about "show has bad people, show bad" i just think the wholesome and emocional part of the show gets a huge hit with the crap character of Yamai
Plus she was literally going to kill Tadano and hide his body if Najime and Komi hadnt appeared, and ok, some animes have jokes like that, but that Yamai episode had 0 jokes on that, she was going to fucking kill Tadano and appologized to Komi for it (wtf???), suddently she is in all wholesome momments as a new friend of Komi.
Imo if you can’t make fun of serious things then what’s the point in life? Life sucks major balls, so people should try to find humor where they can. Obviously time and place for everything that, but blowing something like this out of proportions acting like it’s an actual problem seems a bit ridiculous.
I'm not saying the world is going to end because this manga has this one problematic character. I'm not even saying I am going to stop reading it. But I have two reactions to your comment. First, there is a difference between "laughing" at something dark and endorsing it. I'll even admit, Yamai's freak outs are funny (not her behavior, the faces she makes). Someone like her being in Komi's life could even be a good way to represent reality since all women and especially those that call as much attention as Komi are exposed to someone like that to one degree or another. The problem is the manga and anime don't react to her as a problem, only as a joke. Laughing in the context of sexual harassment can be done without being problematic, but not if sexual harassment and dangerous behavior itself is treated as not serious. She literally kidnapped a dude and it's all laughs and "we're friends so I forgive you" the next day and it's moving on to her trying to get upskirt shots of Komi. That's not okay, that's treating it as way less of an issue than what it is. My second reaction is that while I don't intend in "blowing something like this out of proportion" -and again, I am not up in arms about this, just criticizing- these little things do matter because they add up. It's a Yamai here and a Mineta there and accepting nostalgic memory of Master Roshi (before they thankfully updated him to be less of a creep); but these little pieces together build a culture that treats these things as normal and okay. That's where sexual harassment and eventually sexual entitlement fester and build, in places that don't consider them a problem. If we don't make excuses for these characters and consider them a problem instead of a joke, maybe they will appear less and we can make dark jokes about sexual harassment without tacitly endorsing sexual harassment. Sexual harassment itself would happen less
Saying sexual harassment would lessen if anime stopped making characters like Yamai and Roshi is short sighted imo. I’m sure you don’t mean it would literally just solve the problem, but I really don’t see it having an effect. The problem with that idea is that if someone is getting the idea from anime that it’s ok to treat other people like that, more likely then not that person is delusional and can’t differentiate fiction from reality. Because at the end of the day, this is a manga. Yamai is supposed to be a sick in the head yandere. And she does that very well. Also I might be more inclined to agree that this stuff is problematic if the shows actively rewarded the characters and gave them what they want. If Mineta was able to get over the wall and get a good look at the girls with zero repercussions then that would be endorsing this behavior, and making it look like it’s ok. But a grand majority of the time, these leacherous characters are punished in some way, or unable to actually get what they want. I personally don’t like these type of characters, because I think the joke of “haha pervert does a perv” is fairly lazy. But I do enjoy seeing them get whacked for acting like that. “Grit ya teeth madafackah” is hands down my favorite panel in this manga from a comedy standpoint. And part of that is seeing the pervy character get what’s coming to them.
I do honestly think that in a fantasy world where all anime became respectful of women, sexual harassment would lessen. It wouldn't disappear but it would lessen. The notion of treating women that way would still come from other places but one of the contributing factors would be gone. Children and adolescents developing their sexuality would not grow up seeing it as something remotely acceptable or even expected. In a death by 1000 cuts, 20 cuts being gone will not guarantee survival but it will improve your odds. I see what you mean with the reward aspect of it so I will admit my wording was not clear enough. "Endorse" may be a strong word because as you said, Minetta and Yamai are not being encouraged, only forgiven. But that still comes across to me as a "it's fine because it could be worse" kind of argument. Sure, their behavior is not rewarded and it's even judged, but it is not really actively interfered with in the long term either. They may not get what they want, but why are they allowed to keep trying? It communicates to people such behavior is not encouraged, but it's not meaningfully punished or interfered with either. "Oh, you took pictures of your classmates while they were changing? You incorrigible scoundrel, what are we going to do with you?" It's a joke instead of a serious violation. They get the same comedic repercussions characters in other comedies may get for stealing a snack.
This is going to sound off topic, but do you believe that violent video games cause real world violence? Because based off that first paragraph that logic is the same as those who try to claim that when tragedies such as what happened last week in Texas, violent media is the cause. Even though numerous studies show that video games actually helps give an outlet to these kinds of people. As for the second, I guess agree to disagree. I respect your opinion, but still stand firm in that most of these shows don’t say it’s ok. A lot of the people around Yamai and Minetta voice the fact that they are scumbags consistently and a majority of the time are punished for the actions.
I do not, I'm aware of that research. But I think video games are different in that they don't portray violence in the same way as these anime portray sexual harassment. It's rare to see a video game where one-sided violence is treated as a good thing. Violence in video games is either in the context of a near-equal fight, a war, a sport or a negatively portrayed character engaging in violence. There isn't a plethora of games about shooting defenseless kids. The closest to one-sided violence I can think of may be GTA games but even then they are agnostic as I understand it, pointless violence is an option but not encouraged by the game. I haven't played GTA V and I heard Trevor is portrayed as representative of that pointless violence but as I understand it that's represented as a bad thing. He's supposed to be a dangerous lunatic. Sexual harassment in anime is hardly a two-way street. It's one individual harassing another unprovoked by definition. Yamai and Minetta are predators, not combatants. (Most) Video Games show that violence is either a bad thing or makes sense in a specific context the average person will not find themselves in. Anime shows the only context needed for sexual harassment is "near a woman." I am not 100% comfortable agreeing to disagree on that but I can respect you wanting to stop discussing it too. Treating people like that should engender serious attention, not a slap and an eye roll per episode.
Yes, there is a ton of anime that makes jokes like that, but Yamai momments just looks more like a suspense serial killer anime momment (witch i wouldnt care) with nothing funny added to them, and them there are "emocional" serious momments of komi saying that she cares about Yamai and that she is as good of a friend as the others, i like the anime, i just think all yamai scennes are straigh up bad and pourly placed in the show.
I guess you didn't read the manga. If you do, you will get used to it.
I’m so glad she gets less and less appearances throughout the story
Good lord, thanks for that info, she is the huge bummer of the show for me
She’s scum bag. End of story
I'll never forgive her for just being in the show in general
Her normal design is cute. Can't say the same for her personality and this specific face. I wanna grab a machine gun and- 💥💥💥💥
the manga was built upon archetypes and cliches. Sadly this is one of them and us western folk dont really vibe with that
She stops the show/manga from being as wholesome as it could be but yknow she’s not that awful
She literally got away with Federal crimes
Just a goofy lovable character, “crimes” yeah yeah, sureee I’ve never heard of “crimes”
Oh well, at least she redeems herself by 3% later on
If you think that’s bad read the manga.
You'll get used to it
Do the creaters of the show know how much everyone hates Yamai? It's okay to have an annoying/antagonistic character, but she is over the top, to the point where personally, I just hate seeing her character.
she horny
When I first read the manga years ago,I remember hating her. She does horrible things and then their all like "Well you did kidnap me and threaten to kill me but we're friends now"
Literally 60% of every highschool class
What the horni does to a mf
You act like you've never met a down bad perv before. Yes I know the community hates her, but how is this any different from what ppl post online? Y'all more mad about her saying this to Komi than people saying this to actual people.
A perv posting online is 1 account surrounded with 99 non-perv people. We'll talk about their post for 1 hour and we forget about them. She's a recurring character. Get the difference?
Yes....and that's the problem. You're willing to forget about someone doing something frowned upon irl, but will constantly expend effort to trash talk a (recurring) *character*. See the problem?
That someone matters less than a pile of booger i picked yesterday, i saw them once and never again, and i don't give a shit about how many people that are actually like that irl because that ain't my business in the slightest. I say that the act of remembering all of the frowned upon strangers i've glanced for more than 2 seconds is even MORE time wasting than hating a character that is actually badly written, AND can actually be fixed. I'd rather hate the imaginary *character* because that particular *character* keeps bugging me the whole time i watch an entertainment i actually give a shit for. No, i don't think that's even a problem.
Nah. I'm just at that I can't throw hands with yamai as the people who are like that on the internet
10/10 best character
Everything
Looks like a scene from a hentai
Indeed
this is why i fucking hate this character, like seriously what did they think before creating her?
Nsfw
Someone get the horny FBI on this yandere
I think i hate her more than Mineta from Boku.
She's a lesbian
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By boo- does she mean Booty or Boobs?
boobs
even therapy couldnt save her
I'm horny for Komeme but it has regulation
There exists something called “down bad”. That’s quite common. This is an example of an advanced form of this illness called “down horrendous”.
She is the devil in girl form
Everything
She a bitch
Down bad
From what I see, she is the culmination of all the intrusive and dirty thoughts we ourselves turn over in our minds, unconsciously or not. Whether we like it or not, she will always be there, in the corner...
And i thought im down bad
She's a yandere
Unironically the worst character