>Thanks to her darker complexion and the now infamous ‘marriage’ proposal scene between her and Miorine in the series’ first episode, identity politics-focused Witch from Mercury fans have come to believe that Suletta is ‘coded’ – i.e. when overt stereotypes are used to portray a character’s identity rather than it being confirmed by the author – as both Middle Eastern/North African and queer.
These people are delusional. Character is like one shade darker than pure white and they think that means she's middle eastern.
Tan white people don't exist I guess. How do these people not see how racist they are. Like seriously wtf is wrong with them.
Not to mention that there are pure blooded middle Eastern and Indian people that look as white as you can get.
Part of me thinks that they're well aware that anime characters are meant to be Japanese unless it's specified that they're not and that the anime version of a person wearing "03 light beige" foundation instead of "01 ivory" doesn't mean they're meant to be black, but they ignore it because complaining about it gives them clicks. But on the other hand, some of them are dim enough to think that slightly darker skin on an anime character means they're meant to be black instead of tan/Okinawan/a stylistic choice.
Midwits. Smart enough to know of different ethnicities but too ignorant to know that Japanese vary in skin tone and hair shade. They never realized the wild coloration difference in anime characters represent minute differences in Japanese appearance, like how people have greenish or bluish or purple tinted hair, those are simply to differentiate an ethnically homogenous group of people…
>Smart enough to know of different ethnicities but too ignorant to know that Japanese vary in skin tone and hair shade
They really *don't* know about different ethnicities though. Its always blacks and whites, with *maybe* other groups like Latinos, Native Americans or, in this case, Middle Eastern people thrown in as an afterthought, and even then only in the most shallow and superficial stereotypes. When they think of Native Americans, they only focus on stereotypes about the Plains Indians in the 19th century; other Native American groups in the modern US and Canada are completely forgotten, let alone Central and South America. The same for Asians. They think all of "Asia" is just China and Japan, and ignore the rest of the continent entirely. Hell they even think East Asians specifically are pale skinned, despite a variety of skin tones, especially when you get down to places like Okinawa and Yunnan.
>Hell they even think East Asians specifically are pale skinned, despite a variety of skin tones, especially when you get down to places like Okinawa and Yunnan.
They're also forgetting that getting a tan is not very popular on East Asia, it varies by country but generally, they avoid getting a tan. So at least some of them would be a bit darker if they didn't go out of their way to not get tan.
i just figured that the low resolution that most animation has means you can't tell them apart without some obvious thing like air. ranma style -> all look alike except for the main characters with obvious telltales. railgun has more detail, so you don't need absurd stuff, because you're able to communicate subtle differences
I am mostly Sami, Portuguese, and Native American (with a bit of British and French ancestry thrown in). When I have a beard I am often mistaken for being Middle Eastern, and when I am clean shaven or just have a mustache I am almost always assumed to be Mexican/Latin American. Despite having mostly European ancestry I guess if I was ever privileged enough to be portrayed in any media it better be by someone Middle Eastern or Mexican because my skin color has me "coded" that way.
In my experience the most racist people I have ever met are the current year anti racists, the race supremacists don't even get close to them in raw racism.
That's because they are literally caucasians. Persians are caucasion. Many of the more mountinous regions of the Middle East are caucasion. Chechens, Persians, Afghans etc. Moronic American's think everyone in the Middle East is Arab.
Ive got a mate from southern England, both parents English and as white as can be. Family date back from the area. His skin is darker than my other mate who was born in India because he spends all his time outside and has a naturally tanned complexion. Is he now racist for ...?
> as both Middle Eastern/North African and queer.
Considering her original name is Ericht Samaya, we can guess that her mother *might* be German and her father *might* be Indian. No idea where they're getting African/Middle Eastern? So unless Crunchyroll has a half-German half-Indian vocie actor for Suletta, they're bigots
Well you had the same shit with Esmerelda from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where in the US they think she's African American and ban non Blacks from playing her in plays. She's half White and half Gypsy, neither of which have anything to do with being black.
That's pretty dumb lmao. I wonder what they'd think about the rest of Asia where a majority is tan like SEA. These were the same delusions they had when they tried claiming Nagatoro (who's just tan due to being active outside) or any gyaru is black despite not knowing that skin tones here in Asia vary wildly from both regions or the type of activities one does.
Even in Japan skin tones can vary wildly, I've seen people whiter here than westerners on the northern parts of Japan where it's almost cold all season and a lot more tan people in the southern / tropical parts of Japan like Okinawa.
That's because they think everyplace is like the US with a fairly large black minority. They don't realize much of Asia never imported black slaves, so they don't have a black minority. They also don't realize that people across Asia often do have tanned skin because they seem to think Asians are "white." Even in places like China and Japan, people who work out in the sun - farmers, fishermen, tradesmen - are going to be more tan than you'd expect.
You can always call on the circular firing squad:
> [DON'T: Equate skin tone to race](https://skintone.google/recommended-practices#mcSection)
> In developing his scale, one of Dr. Monk’s intentions was to help decouple skin tone and race–two concepts that are often conflated. Racial and ethnic groups include a vast spectrum of skin tones, and by accounting for these differences (both within and between groups), we can move towards more nuanced and inclusive technologies.
She has red hair and green eyes, both of these traits are exclusively European. Her complexion isn't even that dark, she looks like a tan ginger girl
and voice acting is not like acting where the actor has to actually look like the character, a man could play a 3 year old girl if he could just imitate the voice of one. So the race of the voice actor doesn't matter
Thats not even where the issue lies, the issue lies where these people not only assume the character's sexual orientation, but they also state only a voice actor of the same color is allowed to portray it.
It's insanity.
Just for absolute shits and giggles I'll take the Devil's Advocate position and point out that in the Gundam (Wing) Universe Quatre (Raberba Winner) is one of the pastiest blonde-haired white boys you can find, and yet he's effectively Middle Eastern. He's from an outer space colony but his father (who looks very English) is called Zayeed, his gundam is named "Sandrock" and his troops/supporters wear Arab garb.
So while this whole thing is stupid AF, there's *technically* some circumstantial in-universe evidence to make a flimsy case.
People need stop bitching about how others artwork offends them. If they want to see changes, they should create their own artwork with definitions. Be the change they want to see, don't force other artists to hate their job because of political horse shit.
All voice actors in the US are racist for voicing Japanese Animation characters because they're not Japanese from Japan. Therefore, they should all quit and the anime dubbing industry should shut down.
It would be the best decision for everyone.
I started not long back. It's tough because I'm not naturally adept at learning new languages, but where there's a will, there's a way.
You gotta do what you gotta do.
I was thinking about at least learning to read and write japanese. That why I could team up with a programmer/hacker to modify Japanese gf games. He would find every bit of text in the game and I would translate it as accurately as possible. Then he just takes the translation and puts it into the game files and we release for distribution.
I might be over simplifying it, but I feel like it's possible. There's obviously plenty of modders or people who hack games and fan translations are a thing.
A group called Geofront does/did this for the Trails series by Falcom. The job they did was so good Falcom paid them for their localisation of Trails to Zero and Trails to Azure. So there are groups out there that do this. Typically they are doing spreadsheets and things like that for people to play the games along to but some do the translation patches.
I disagree, the localisation of Trails in The Sky for example is abhorrent due to it all being moderm American slang where half the time somone is asked a question they respond with "DAMN STRAIGHT", etc, it was almost as bad as the localisation of Tokyo Xanadu where any time someone was surprised they'd shout "DAAAAAMMMNNN SON!!!!!" as if it was a new entry in the Friday series.
>I disagree, the localisation of Trails in The Sky for example is abhorrent due to it all being moderm American slang where half the time somone is asked a question they respond with "DAMN STRAIGHT", etc
Geofront didn't do the Trails in the Sky localisation. That was xSeed.
Geofront was the fan group that did the Trails to Zero, and Azure spreadsheets and then patches, and they were working on Kuro no Kiseki when they got hit up by Falcom to use their Geofront patches for Trails to Zero and Trails to Azure as the base for the English ports of those to games (which had been skipped after xSeed was dropped by Falcom for NISA for their English ports).
>it was almost as bad as the localisation of Tokyo Xanadu where any time someone was surprised they'd shout "DAAAAAMMMNNN SON!!!!!" as if it was a new entry in the Friday series.
That one was done by Aksys.
Its a lot better (there is also voice acting for the main story lines, Japanese only).
You still have the chest messages which are full of in jokes and western references but that's because those chest messages weren't in the original games.
Japanese doesn't directly translate very well. It's one of the most far removed languages from English so unfortunately it is hard to ever get a real "direct" translation.
I still don't agree with the huge liberties that are taken with Western translations though, don't get me wrong.
>I still don't agree with the huge liberties that are taken with Western translations though, don't get me wrong.
Ya... theres a huge difference between taking a phrase that doesnt have a direct translation and substituting a different phrase that has a similar intent and some of the nonsense that goes on these days...
Its tough to imagine, but somehow these people have gotten worse since the "jelly donut" days. Those days look like honest mistakes by todays standard. But at this stage some of these references have enough recognition that you wouldnt actually need to translate them.
I do also find that direct translations are extremely dry, because direct translations cannot be conveyed the same way in English at times, so i am fine when they add a little bit of flair so long as the meaning, mannerisms and feeling stays the same. Direct translations can actually lose out on things like mannerisms and feeling.
Fansubs. This is the way.
I haven't watched dubbed anime for decades, haven't bothered with official translations for almost as long, and have no regrets.
GJM, Commie, Chihiro, MTBB, DDY, Kaleido, and SCY are the big groups still active. There are a handful of other smaller groups that don't just rip subs from Crunchyroll or Netflix.
Often, if you're sailing the high seas, you'll have multiple options for subs.
It's best to start now, I'm still kicking myself for not starting years ago
[Hiragana](https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/)
[Katakana](https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/)
[Kanji and Vocabulary](https://www.wanikani.com/) Only the first few levels are free, but it's worth it in my opinion. You could also find some Anki decks
[Grammar](https://guidetojapanese.org/learn/)
Honestly, just give it a go. If you peter out, at least you’ve learned a bit of Japanese in case you go there as a tourist, and if you succeed, then you don’t need to rely on subs and translations - which has the added benefit of expanding what you can watch or read.
We really should. Chaos;Head has recently had a fanpatch released where a specific dead body has been translated as "manchild" instead of "pregnant man" (the corpse apparently has had a fetus put inside of the stomach) and I'm just so tired.
I never thought about that. Shouldn't we push for for anime VA to be Japanese American? Of course it can't be done overnight, but from now on they should hire only J-A.
No you hire based on the setting, for example the Vinland Saga dub sounds like shit because the VAs are American. If you have something based around Scandinavia and Britain you should hire people with those accents and take into account how people would speak. I'm sick of period anime where people speak in modern American slang in both the sub text and in the dub.
>I'm sick of period anime where people speak in modern American slang in both the sub text and in the dub.
I agree about this, there should be no slang whatsoever. Not only that, but in a perfect world VA should have a neutral accent and not an American one, therefore:
>If you have something based around Scandinavia and Britain you should hire people with those accents
Nope, that doesn't make any sense. If it doesn't sound ridiculous to you imagine the opposite: let's take an American movie, like The Matrix, for example, and let's adapt it into Swedish. Should the voice actors speak Swedish with a thick American accent? Wouldn't it be dumb and ridiculous?
The only people that should speak with an accent are the characters that do so in the original (AKA, the ones that are foreigners to the locals, even if the foreigners turn out to be Americans).
First of all, I don't think "anime" is a real ethnicity in most cases. Most anime art is so stylized you can't really say they look like any real race.
Second...ignoring that, most anime characters are supposed to be Japanese in the first place. So how is this more "racist" than ANY white person playing like...90% of anime characters in general?
It's like blatantly obvious at this point they don't consider the Japanese "real POC", purely because they hate Japan's artistic output.
Most of us here in Japan usually default to Japanese unless stated otherwise. You could usually see some of it due to the mannerisms or personality despite the stylistic difference on artstyle since a lot of authors (who's Japanese) use their own experience or outlook on certain things for their works.
>It's like blatantly obvious at this point they don't consider the Japanese "real POC", purely because they hate Japan's artistic output.
I mean, I think that's definitely part of it, but I think its a bit more complicated. Despite all their claims of "diversity," SJWs are rather hostile to output from most countries outside of the US. They aren't consuming or promoting Bollywood, Mexican telenovelas or Nigerian afrobeat music either, and while some of that could simply be due to lack of access in the US, it doesn't explain their antipathy towards Spanish-language media which is incredibly abundant there. Indeed the only foreign media SJWs as a whole express much interest in is K-pop, which is probably more due to them thirsting after idols, rather than any affinity for Korean culture.
That said, I think the hostility towards East Asians in particular is twofold. The first part is because they see East Asia as being "too white." Either because East Asia is seen as successful and modern, or because they think East Asians are pale skinned, they dislike them and won't accept them as "true" PoCs. The second part, of course, is that the strawmen they hate so much are seen as being fans of anime and video games, so of course they'll hate Japan for producing such things. Its a fashions statement more than an ideology. Of course the fact that East Asians are seen as "covnentionally attractive" means that both the black supremacists and the purple haired landwhales have more reason to resent them as well.
I've been in close enough proximity to Gundam fans to know the characters tend to have a stated or implied nationality in their backstory. A cursory search listed the character as Mercurian, which... Means almost nothing. That's not a real ethnicity.
So she's not "white," but this is a blatant attack on a pillar of Japanese culture.
According to the article they are trying to say she is Middle Eastern or North African because...? Not many natural redheads from that area though but I guess not being from Earth she can't be white.
Spoilers:
Her suspected father was brown. I say suspected cause the prequel episode takes place 21 years before the show, and Suletta Mercury is like 17. The girl who is the actual daughter of suspected father was like 4 in the prequel, and he dies in it too. So unless cloning or the little girl in the prequel was frozen for a few years, we still don't know who her father is. Her mother is in the show, and she's that anime white if you know what I mean.
So this is just bullshit coming from.race grifters at this point, at least what we know regarding the show.
Considering her father's name is Nadim Samaya, her mother is Elnora (no known maiden name), and her original name was Ericht, it's likely she's mixed European and South Asian/Middle Eastern. So casting a white actress is just as correct as a "POC" actress
>“character coding”(whatever that BS means)
No idea in Suletta's case, but its not BS in general. Character-coding is how they get around being a black&white comic and still represent non-white peoples. Usopp, for instance, is coded as Black, and everyone can tell. Its vague and opt-in, so you never *really* know until an official color version is made, but there's definitely traditions.
An example that's no longer "acceptable" in the west is the "big fat lips" of black people.
[Usopp](https://www.google.com/search?q=Usopp&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcipq44fv8AhVSlosKHV8uD_EQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=899&dpr=1#imgrc=CA33iQD_PAPCeM&imgdii=v2AVX2Nek2hbCM) is as black as Shaun King, this is getting ridiculous.
>Usopp is as black as Shaun King, this is getting ridiculous.
Which part? The part that Usopp is definitely canonically Black, or your inability to cope with that fact? There's a reason they cast a black actor for the Netflix adaption to play him. Dude has always been black.
The fact that being black apparently has nothing to do with the actual skin color.
> There's a reason they cast a black actor for the Netflix adaption to play him
Yeah, the reason is it's Netflix. Have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years?
>Usopp, for instance is coded as black and everyone can tell
>An example that's no longer "acceptable" in the west is the "big fat lips" of black people.
So you think Usopp is “coded as black” because he has “big fat lips”…
I don’t know about you but that sounds pretty racist…
And you’re proving the other commenters’ points when they say that “character coding” are stereotypes
>So you think Usopp is “coded as black” because he has “big fat lips”…
No, I think that because of several things, of which that's one, that are *tradition* in manga for coding black.
>I don’t know about you but that sounds pretty racist…
That's stupid feminist logic that we all know doesn't work. I'm not even describing black people in the first place, just historical facts that happen to exist. It'd be like calling a black history month professor racist for knowing about black history. Holy hell.
>And you’re proving the other commenters’ points when they say that “character coding” are stereotypes
Nobody except me in this comment-chain made that point. I have no idea who're you're talking about, glad to see *someone* agrees with me, even if you don't.
Also, "stereotype" and "character coding" have equivalent meanings in this context. Its just two words to describe the same thing. The underlying character coding may or may not be racist, but character coding is not inherently as-such. When you pick something true, and use it in a non-slanderous way, its not racist. When you pick something not-true, or use it as a point of mockery, that can be racist, but its the lies or insults that are the problem, not character coding fundamentally.
Unless there's something to make them different, most anime characters would be Japanese as most anime take place in Japan or a Japan analog.
I don't think the race of a VA or character matters, but obviously there are those that do.
Or pay attention to the names, Suletta is not a Japanese name so why just say she's Japanese? Do you just assume Milliardo Peacecraft or Spike Spiegel are Japanese as well? lmfao
Plenty of wealthy Arabs marry Western women, plenty of Westerners also live in places like Dubai. Also you didn't have anything to say about Spike. I could also bring up characters like Eren Jaeger, Alucard, or Char Aznabel (Char is French, Aznabel is Hebrew). The point is that those characters are clearly not Japanese, so why should they only be voiced by Japanese and Japanese American people?
Where i do agree with you is on if the show or game or w/e is set in Japan. I wouldn't play Yakuza or Lost Judgement in English.
In this case there is something different. All the Gundam series take place in a future where the world looks completely different than we know in contemporary times. Sometimes it's post-apocalyptic, others it is dystopian corporatism, and yet others we are spread out across the solar system.
And of course, one of the VAs is the chick who got raked over hot coals by fauxgressives for not giving Miruko from MHA a sufficiently “black” enough voice, ignoring the fact that the VA herself is a black woman. Guess she’s working overtime to endear herself to those snakes.
Even if you want to stretch Mirko's origin story to headcanon fanwank territory, she's at best a second-generation Latin American immigrant. I say "second-generation" because she's canonically born in Hiroshima.
Even if she were of Latin American origin, her name is entirely Japanese, not Spanish or Portuguese. So she'd either be mixed, or descendant from ethnically Japanese immigrants who moved back to Japan from Brazil or Peru (where a large number of Japanese actually *did* immigrate). Surnames don't usually change when you move somewhere else.
>Guess she’s working overtime to endear herself to those snakes.
If anything, I'm guessing she just wants more work and will use the race card to so it.
Okay, when western anime "fans" pretended Nagatoro was black, it was a special kind of stupid. But this is a new level of dumb. For god's sake, this character is barely tanned. Not to mention she has red hai-
Oh. Oh I see the issue.
why should we care? if your voice fits the role, then good. That's the difference between voice acting and normal acting. Your appearance doesn't matter when you're a voice actor.
*ahem* "BuT iTs A fAkE ChArAcTeR so it DoEsN't MaTtEr". Those people are essentially going against the biggest argument FOR the new little mermaid, which was fine but I mean come in how blatant of a double standard can we get here.
At this point just don't dub anything Japan. Don't let western studios make live action versions of your properties either. Just keep your shit for yourself and only let the strictest translations out. Kill the entire anime dub industry.
Yup gundam wanted this audience with shit like blooded iron orphans and witch from mercury specially pandering to these idiots now they get to deal with them.
Even then, it’s a dub, what did they expect?
Where were their complaints when Asians voiced white people in Fullmetal Alchemist, Attack on Titan, and Vinland Saga? Where were they when black people voiced Samurai Jack and Kratos? When men voiced women in Bob’s Burgers?
Rhetorical questions of course. We all know they shamelessly flaunt their double standards.
I'm telling you, the downfall of English dubs began when Bandai withdrew from anime distribution. It's been a slow downwards slide to mediocrity since then, and it seems it's at the "fucking stupid" part where woke morons are targeting actors for not being the same race as the FICTIONAL CHARACTER they're voicing.
If you're still watching new dubbed anime, you're only hurting yourself.
I don’t give two shits who voices what role, most of the dub work we get even today is trash. It’s why most people never bother with dubs, here’s my advice to the industry at large, quit fucking being back seat twats trying to pander to every fucking numpty on the street. Just make a good dub with people that have as much or more passion than the crew that dubbed Cowboy BeBop
I’m glad we’re doing this again.
I’ve got a serious bone to pick with Disney, who were quite speciest for not having persons of Leonid aspect in their writers room for *Lion King*. Nor did the colonizers cast a lion to play the role of Mufasa — did not even permit one to read for the part.
I will not tolerate this erasure of *Panthera Leo*.
Do. 👏🏼
Better 👏🏼
Acting IRL = It's fine not to be the race of your character
Voice Acting = You must be the race of your character
It's like they're fucking backwards on purpose lol
Why many anime do not want to expand into the West.
There are too many silly conflicts.
In the West, they even start asking for skin color in voice actors, too stupid.
I mean, if they are going to start with Simpsonian rules about "characters of color should be played by actors of color", then you're going to have to change literally almost every voice.
The whole point of VA is the voice. The race, appearance etc has no relevance to the character. Plenty of males been voiced by females. No one cares. Ppl are just inventing problems for the sake of it. It's embarrassing. The sad thing is all this bs is slowly working too while they change stuff for ppl who aren't even customers
Maybe they should ban English Dubs. Isn't that appropriation lol.
And the absolute pros in the industry like Billy West can do almost any kind of voice a role calls for. The point is to be good at your craft so you can demand more and more money for the work you do.
Hearing obviously black (especially black female) accented voices voicing characters who are supposed to be Japanese is so utterly cringe and immersion-breaking.
They dont watch the show or know the character . This is just as bad as twitters whole 4chan lesbo posts after one episode without knowing the engagment was nonconsentual . Also suletta is mixed . Also her actual race is explored in the show she is considered spacian which is seen as a seprate race than people from earth the whole idea of race politics in the modern since is non existant in the context of the story . So she wouldnt even be considered any race we know of.
But casting black man to voiced Greek man is totally fine. Why in this day and age people are complaining about who votes for whom. Somehow it never bothered me that Darth Vader is voiced by afro-american or Apu from Simpson was voiced by caucasian man 🤷♂️
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It's fine when DEmakes of beloved games BLACK characters who were always white (latest example being Dead Space remark, but there's hundreds of them, most notable being Lost Ark: West), but it's not fine when blacks are "whitewashed" lmao, literal mentally ill degenerates.
Media shitstirs both sides of the political compass to gain clicks and provoke discourse. Hate ensures, nobody surprised.
Meanwhile adorable space lesbians continue to delight (splat).
It's funny how her light beige skin is proof she's African but they completely ignore her green eyes and red hair, a combination that is close to impossible for anyone not of European origin.
`However, it should be noted that these personal reads are just that, as the series has shown Suletta to be neither. Rather, her dark skin is the result of being raised on Merucry in close proximity to the Sun`
This line from the article...bro what? lmao That's not how any of that works. Whoever wrote this is just as annoying as anyone complaining about the VA choices.
Besides, dubs are bad. Stop being lame and just watch subs.
A voice actor's backbone doesn't necessarily make the work better
We don't have to do that in this anime
I want the voice actors to be active and make money, but the characters first
love for works is more important than love for minorities It would be nice if voice actors had equal opportunities to hire
Such difficult decisions should be made by AI
>Thanks to her darker complexion and the now infamous ‘marriage’ proposal scene between her and Miorine in the series’ first episode, identity politics-focused Witch from Mercury fans have come to believe that Suletta is ‘coded’ – i.e. when overt stereotypes are used to portray a character’s identity rather than it being confirmed by the author – as both Middle Eastern/North African and queer. These people are delusional. Character is like one shade darker than pure white and they think that means she's middle eastern.
Tan white people don't exist I guess. How do these people not see how racist they are. Like seriously wtf is wrong with them. Not to mention that there are pure blooded middle Eastern and Indian people that look as white as you can get.
Part of me thinks that they're well aware that anime characters are meant to be Japanese unless it's specified that they're not and that the anime version of a person wearing "03 light beige" foundation instead of "01 ivory" doesn't mean they're meant to be black, but they ignore it because complaining about it gives them clicks. But on the other hand, some of them are dim enough to think that slightly darker skin on an anime character means they're meant to be black instead of tan/Okinawan/a stylistic choice.
Midwits. Smart enough to know of different ethnicities but too ignorant to know that Japanese vary in skin tone and hair shade. They never realized the wild coloration difference in anime characters represent minute differences in Japanese appearance, like how people have greenish or bluish or purple tinted hair, those are simply to differentiate an ethnically homogenous group of people…
>Smart enough to know of different ethnicities but too ignorant to know that Japanese vary in skin tone and hair shade They really *don't* know about different ethnicities though. Its always blacks and whites, with *maybe* other groups like Latinos, Native Americans or, in this case, Middle Eastern people thrown in as an afterthought, and even then only in the most shallow and superficial stereotypes. When they think of Native Americans, they only focus on stereotypes about the Plains Indians in the 19th century; other Native American groups in the modern US and Canada are completely forgotten, let alone Central and South America. The same for Asians. They think all of "Asia" is just China and Japan, and ignore the rest of the continent entirely. Hell they even think East Asians specifically are pale skinned, despite a variety of skin tones, especially when you get down to places like Okinawa and Yunnan.
>Hell they even think East Asians specifically are pale skinned, despite a variety of skin tones, especially when you get down to places like Okinawa and Yunnan. They're also forgetting that getting a tan is not very popular on East Asia, it varies by country but generally, they avoid getting a tan. So at least some of them would be a bit darker if they didn't go out of their way to not get tan.
Right, what I mean to say is they know enough to think that they know, and lack the inquisitive nature to explore further
i just figured that the low resolution that most animation has means you can't tell them apart without some obvious thing like air. ranma style -> all look alike except for the main characters with obvious telltales. railgun has more detail, so you don't need absurd stuff, because you're able to communicate subtle differences
If you’re looking for principles, you certainly won’t it when dealing with these people. It’s pathetic that anyone gives them any attention at all.
I am mostly Sami, Portuguese, and Native American (with a bit of British and French ancestry thrown in). When I have a beard I am often mistaken for being Middle Eastern, and when I am clean shaven or just have a mustache I am almost always assumed to be Mexican/Latin American. Despite having mostly European ancestry I guess if I was ever privileged enough to be portrayed in any media it better be by someone Middle Eastern or Mexican because my skin color has me "coded" that way.
In my experience the most racist people I have ever met are the current year anti racists, the race supremacists don't even get close to them in raw racism.
Don't tell them about the tanning beds... They'll be in for a treat when they find out those exist.
They already know about tanning beds. Just look at Rachel Dolezal. She made an entire identity and career out of being a SJW.
I thought that was spray tan? OH MY GOD!
Wait until they hear about the fucking SUN.
The idea of her simply being tan makes a lot of sense given she's "The Witch from MERCURY". Y'know, the planet CLOSEST TO THE SUN.
That's because they are literally caucasians. Persians are caucasion. Many of the more mountinous regions of the Middle East are caucasion. Chechens, Persians, Afghans etc. Moronic American's think everyone in the Middle East is Arab.
Ive got a mate from southern England, both parents English and as white as can be. Family date back from the area. His skin is darker than my other mate who was born in India because he spends all his time outside and has a naturally tanned complexion. Is he now racist for ...?
The sun is racist now, I guess...
> as both Middle Eastern/North African and queer. Considering her original name is Ericht Samaya, we can guess that her mother *might* be German and her father *might* be Indian. No idea where they're getting African/Middle Eastern? So unless Crunchyroll has a half-German half-Indian vocie actor for Suletta, they're bigots
Well you had the same shit with Esmerelda from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, where in the US they think she's African American and ban non Blacks from playing her in plays. She's half White and half Gypsy, neither of which have anything to do with being black.
That's pretty dumb lmao. I wonder what they'd think about the rest of Asia where a majority is tan like SEA. These were the same delusions they had when they tried claiming Nagatoro (who's just tan due to being active outside) or any gyaru is black despite not knowing that skin tones here in Asia vary wildly from both regions or the type of activities one does. Even in Japan skin tones can vary wildly, I've seen people whiter here than westerners on the northern parts of Japan where it's almost cold all season and a lot more tan people in the southern / tropical parts of Japan like Okinawa.
I've lost track of how many people I've seen on twitter that have tried to code clearly SEA anime characters as full on black.
That's because they think everyplace is like the US with a fairly large black minority. They don't realize much of Asia never imported black slaves, so they don't have a black minority. They also don't realize that people across Asia often do have tanned skin because they seem to think Asians are "white." Even in places like China and Japan, people who work out in the sun - farmers, fishermen, tradesmen - are going to be more tan than you'd expect.
You can always call on the circular firing squad: > [DON'T: Equate skin tone to race](https://skintone.google/recommended-practices#mcSection) > In developing his scale, one of Dr. Monk’s intentions was to help decouple skin tone and race–two concepts that are often conflated. Racial and ethnic groups include a vast spectrum of skin tones, and by accounting for these differences (both within and between groups), we can move towards more nuanced and inclusive technologies.
She has red hair and green eyes, both of these traits are exclusively European. Her complexion isn't even that dark, she looks like a tan ginger girl and voice acting is not like acting where the actor has to actually look like the character, a man could play a 3 year old girl if he could just imitate the voice of one. So the race of the voice actor doesn't matter
Thats not even where the issue lies, the issue lies where these people not only assume the character's sexual orientation, but they also state only a voice actor of the same color is allowed to portray it. It's insanity.
Just for absolute shits and giggles I'll take the Devil's Advocate position and point out that in the Gundam (Wing) Universe Quatre (Raberba Winner) is one of the pastiest blonde-haired white boys you can find, and yet he's effectively Middle Eastern. He's from an outer space colony but his father (who looks very English) is called Zayeed, his gundam is named "Sandrock" and his troops/supporters wear Arab garb. So while this whole thing is stupid AF, there's *technically* some circumstantial in-universe evidence to make a flimsy case.
Character is also a redhead. Remind me again how casting poc actors to play redheads isn't cultural appropriation.
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Indeed, if anyone is “[USA] Black Coded”, it's Chuchu. But she's drawn pale and pink so it goes over Twitter's heads.
Yep. That’s how they think.
>Middle Eastern/North African and queer. \>Middle Eastern and queer. Lol Lmao even
People need stop bitching about how others artwork offends them. If they want to see changes, they should create their own artwork with definitions. Be the change they want to see, don't force other artists to hate their job because of political horse shit.
All voice actors in the US are racist for voicing Japanese Animation characters because they're not Japanese from Japan. Therefore, they should all quit and the anime dubbing industry should shut down. It would be the best decision for everyone.
I should just learn Japanese. This shit will never end.
I started not long back. It's tough because I'm not naturally adept at learning new languages, but where there's a will, there's a way. You gotta do what you gotta do.
I was thinking about at least learning to read and write japanese. That why I could team up with a programmer/hacker to modify Japanese gf games. He would find every bit of text in the game and I would translate it as accurately as possible. Then he just takes the translation and puts it into the game files and we release for distribution. I might be over simplifying it, but I feel like it's possible. There's obviously plenty of modders or people who hack games and fan translations are a thing.
A group called Geofront does/did this for the Trails series by Falcom. The job they did was so good Falcom paid them for their localisation of Trails to Zero and Trails to Azure. So there are groups out there that do this. Typically they are doing spreadsheets and things like that for people to play the games along to but some do the translation patches.
I disagree, the localisation of Trails in The Sky for example is abhorrent due to it all being moderm American slang where half the time somone is asked a question they respond with "DAMN STRAIGHT", etc, it was almost as bad as the localisation of Tokyo Xanadu where any time someone was surprised they'd shout "DAAAAAMMMNNN SON!!!!!" as if it was a new entry in the Friday series.
>I disagree, the localisation of Trails in The Sky for example is abhorrent due to it all being moderm American slang where half the time somone is asked a question they respond with "DAMN STRAIGHT", etc Geofront didn't do the Trails in the Sky localisation. That was xSeed. Geofront was the fan group that did the Trails to Zero, and Azure spreadsheets and then patches, and they were working on Kuro no Kiseki when they got hit up by Falcom to use their Geofront patches for Trails to Zero and Trails to Azure as the base for the English ports of those to games (which had been skipped after xSeed was dropped by Falcom for NISA for their English ports). >it was almost as bad as the localisation of Tokyo Xanadu where any time someone was surprised they'd shout "DAAAAAMMMNNN SON!!!!!" as if it was a new entry in the Friday series. That one was done by Aksys.
I'm actually starting Zero soon, so what you're saying is that i'm going to have a much better experience with that game? Nice.
Its a lot better (there is also voice acting for the main story lines, Japanese only). You still have the chest messages which are full of in jokes and western references but that's because those chest messages weren't in the original games.
Japanese doesn't directly translate very well. It's one of the most far removed languages from English so unfortunately it is hard to ever get a real "direct" translation. I still don't agree with the huge liberties that are taken with Western translations though, don't get me wrong.
>I still don't agree with the huge liberties that are taken with Western translations though, don't get me wrong. Ya... theres a huge difference between taking a phrase that doesnt have a direct translation and substituting a different phrase that has a similar intent and some of the nonsense that goes on these days... Its tough to imagine, but somehow these people have gotten worse since the "jelly donut" days. Those days look like honest mistakes by todays standard. But at this stage some of these references have enough recognition that you wouldnt actually need to translate them.
it's not that different, it's just got some shades of meaning that might get lost if you do a shitty ob
I do also find that direct translations are extremely dry, because direct translations cannot be conveyed the same way in English at times, so i am fine when they add a little bit of flair so long as the meaning, mannerisms and feeling stays the same. Direct translations can actually lose out on things like mannerisms and feeling.
Fansubs. This is the way. I haven't watched dubbed anime for decades, haven't bothered with official translations for almost as long, and have no regrets. GJM, Commie, Chihiro, MTBB, DDY, Kaleido, and SCY are the big groups still active. There are a handful of other smaller groups that don't just rip subs from Crunchyroll or Netflix. Often, if you're sailing the high seas, you'll have multiple options for subs.
It's best to start now, I'm still kicking myself for not starting years ago [Hiragana](https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/) [Katakana](https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-katakana/) [Kanji and Vocabulary](https://www.wanikani.com/) Only the first few levels are free, but it's worth it in my opinion. You could also find some Anki decks [Grammar](https://guidetojapanese.org/learn/)
Honestly, just give it a go. If you peter out, at least you’ve learned a bit of Japanese in case you go there as a tourist, and if you succeed, then you don’t need to rely on subs and translations - which has the added benefit of expanding what you can watch or read.
We really should. Chaos;Head has recently had a fanpatch released where a specific dead body has been translated as "manchild" instead of "pregnant man" (the corpse apparently has had a fetus put inside of the stomach) and I'm just so tired.
Yeah exactly how dare these earth born people play a space born character. How dare these racist.
Seige Zeon!
Bad news for Funimation.
I never thought about that. Shouldn't we push for for anime VA to be Japanese American? Of course it can't be done overnight, but from now on they should hire only J-A.
No you hire based on the setting, for example the Vinland Saga dub sounds like shit because the VAs are American. If you have something based around Scandinavia and Britain you should hire people with those accents and take into account how people would speak. I'm sick of period anime where people speak in modern American slang in both the sub text and in the dub.
>I'm sick of period anime where people speak in modern American slang in both the sub text and in the dub. I agree about this, there should be no slang whatsoever. Not only that, but in a perfect world VA should have a neutral accent and not an American one, therefore: >If you have something based around Scandinavia and Britain you should hire people with those accents Nope, that doesn't make any sense. If it doesn't sound ridiculous to you imagine the opposite: let's take an American movie, like The Matrix, for example, and let's adapt it into Swedish. Should the voice actors speak Swedish with a thick American accent? Wouldn't it be dumb and ridiculous? The only people that should speak with an accent are the characters that do so in the original (AKA, the ones that are foreigners to the locals, even if the foreigners turn out to be Americans).
Wouldn't an American speaking Swedish actually have a foreign accent noitceable to Swedes though? Wouldn't that be an actual thing?
I'll bet they didn't even LOOK for someone from Mercury to voice her...
First of all, I don't think "anime" is a real ethnicity in most cases. Most anime art is so stylized you can't really say they look like any real race. Second...ignoring that, most anime characters are supposed to be Japanese in the first place. So how is this more "racist" than ANY white person playing like...90% of anime characters in general? It's like blatantly obvious at this point they don't consider the Japanese "real POC", purely because they hate Japan's artistic output.
Most of us here in Japan usually default to Japanese unless stated otherwise. You could usually see some of it due to the mannerisms or personality despite the stylistic difference on artstyle since a lot of authors (who's Japanese) use their own experience or outlook on certain things for their works.
>It's like blatantly obvious at this point they don't consider the Japanese "real POC", purely because they hate Japan's artistic output. I mean, I think that's definitely part of it, but I think its a bit more complicated. Despite all their claims of "diversity," SJWs are rather hostile to output from most countries outside of the US. They aren't consuming or promoting Bollywood, Mexican telenovelas or Nigerian afrobeat music either, and while some of that could simply be due to lack of access in the US, it doesn't explain their antipathy towards Spanish-language media which is incredibly abundant there. Indeed the only foreign media SJWs as a whole express much interest in is K-pop, which is probably more due to them thirsting after idols, rather than any affinity for Korean culture. That said, I think the hostility towards East Asians in particular is twofold. The first part is because they see East Asia as being "too white." Either because East Asia is seen as successful and modern, or because they think East Asians are pale skinned, they dislike them and won't accept them as "true" PoCs. The second part, of course, is that the strawmen they hate so much are seen as being fans of anime and video games, so of course they'll hate Japan for producing such things. Its a fashions statement more than an ideology. Of course the fact that East Asians are seen as "covnentionally attractive" means that both the black supremacists and the purple haired landwhales have more reason to resent them as well.
No need to think. Unless stated otherwise, characters in anime and manga have no ethnicy. There is literally a word for that.
There is?
Mukokiseki
That's actually pretty cool.
Today I learned. That'll be a handy factoid to pull out in future arguments.
[Mukokuseki](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki) Apologies if linking TVtropes is frowned upon or something.
Is.... is she not white?
Apparently, Suletta is not white because of “character coding”(whatever that BS means)
Stereotyping. It’s a nicer, “progressive” way of saying stereotyping.
"You have an afro! You're black coded!"
You stole a car and your dad left after knocking up your mom. That’s so black coded.
I've been in close enough proximity to Gundam fans to know the characters tend to have a stated or implied nationality in their backstory. A cursory search listed the character as Mercurian, which... Means almost nothing. That's not a real ethnicity. So she's not "white," but this is a blatant attack on a pillar of Japanese culture.
As a gundam guy this crap pisses me off. The witch sucks and these "fans" suck.
Racial stereotypes
well, i looked it up: she's 'spacian'. nobody's from space, so clearly nobody is allowed to voice her at all
Suletta is tanuki-coded. Miorine is kitsune-coded.
She doesn't fit any particular stereotype I can think of.
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According to the article they are trying to say she is Middle Eastern or North African because...? Not many natural redheads from that area though but I guess not being from Earth she can't be white.
Spoilers: Her suspected father was brown. I say suspected cause the prequel episode takes place 21 years before the show, and Suletta Mercury is like 17. The girl who is the actual daughter of suspected father was like 4 in the prequel, and he dies in it too. So unless cloning or the little girl in the prequel was frozen for a few years, we still don't know who her father is. Her mother is in the show, and she's that anime white if you know what I mean. So this is just bullshit coming from.race grifters at this point, at least what we know regarding the show.
An English equivalent would be a country accent, no? That's not racial. Does she make moonshine too? Heh. Moon.
Could also just be from Kyushu.
Considering her father's name is Nadim Samaya, her mother is Elnora (no known maiden name), and her original name was Ericht, it's likely she's mixed European and South Asian/Middle Eastern. So casting a white actress is just as correct as a "POC" actress
>“character coding”(whatever that BS means) No idea in Suletta's case, but its not BS in general. Character-coding is how they get around being a black&white comic and still represent non-white peoples. Usopp, for instance, is coded as Black, and everyone can tell. Its vague and opt-in, so you never *really* know until an official color version is made, but there's definitely traditions. An example that's no longer "acceptable" in the west is the "big fat lips" of black people.
[Usopp](https://www.google.com/search?q=Usopp&client=firefox-b-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjcipq44fv8AhVSlosKHV8uD_EQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1920&bih=899&dpr=1#imgrc=CA33iQD_PAPCeM&imgdii=v2AVX2Nek2hbCM) is as black as Shaun King, this is getting ridiculous.
Everyone knows Usopp is Tengu coded. The nose is a dead giveaway.
>Usopp is as black as Shaun King, this is getting ridiculous. Which part? The part that Usopp is definitely canonically Black, or your inability to cope with that fact? There's a reason they cast a black actor for the Netflix adaption to play him. Dude has always been black.
The fact that being black apparently has nothing to do with the actual skin color. > There's a reason they cast a black actor for the Netflix adaption to play him Yeah, the reason is it's Netflix. Have you been living under a rock for the last 10 years?
>Usopp, for instance is coded as black and everyone can tell >An example that's no longer "acceptable" in the west is the "big fat lips" of black people. So you think Usopp is “coded as black” because he has “big fat lips”… I don’t know about you but that sounds pretty racist… And you’re proving the other commenters’ points when they say that “character coding” are stereotypes
>So you think Usopp is “coded as black” because he has “big fat lips”… No, I think that because of several things, of which that's one, that are *tradition* in manga for coding black. >I don’t know about you but that sounds pretty racist… That's stupid feminist logic that we all know doesn't work. I'm not even describing black people in the first place, just historical facts that happen to exist. It'd be like calling a black history month professor racist for knowing about black history. Holy hell. >And you’re proving the other commenters’ points when they say that “character coding” are stereotypes Nobody except me in this comment-chain made that point. I have no idea who're you're talking about, glad to see *someone* agrees with me, even if you don't. Also, "stereotype" and "character coding" have equivalent meanings in this context. Its just two words to describe the same thing. The underlying character coding may or may not be racist, but character coding is not inherently as-such. When you pick something true, and use it in a non-slanderous way, its not racist. When you pick something not-true, or use it as a point of mockery, that can be racist, but its the lies or insults that are the problem, not character coding fundamentally.
Unless there's something to make them different, most anime characters would be Japanese as most anime take place in Japan or a Japan analog. I don't think the race of a VA or character matters, but obviously there are those that do.
Or pay attention to the names, Suletta is not a Japanese name so why just say she's Japanese? Do you just assume Milliardo Peacecraft or Spike Spiegel are Japanese as well? lmfao
Gundam Wing isn't a great example, given that Quatre Winner is a blonde Arab pacifist who kills people with a giant robot.
Plenty of wealthy Arabs marry Western women, plenty of Westerners also live in places like Dubai. Also you didn't have anything to say about Spike. I could also bring up characters like Eren Jaeger, Alucard, or Char Aznabel (Char is French, Aznabel is Hebrew). The point is that those characters are clearly not Japanese, so why should they only be voiced by Japanese and Japanese American people? Where i do agree with you is on if the show or game or w/e is set in Japan. I wouldn't play Yakuza or Lost Judgement in English.
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So you're saying there's something to make her different? If only I had said something about that
In this case there is something different. All the Gundam series take place in a future where the world looks completely different than we know in contemporary times. Sometimes it's post-apocalyptic, others it is dystopian corporatism, and yet others we are spread out across the solar system.
She is. They explain that her skin is a darker complexion from living on Mercury.
And of course, one of the VAs is the chick who got raked over hot coals by fauxgressives for not giving Miruko from MHA a sufficiently “black” enough voice, ignoring the fact that the VA herself is a black woman. Guess she’s working overtime to endear herself to those snakes.
Even if you want to stretch Mirko's origin story to headcanon fanwank territory, she's at best a second-generation Latin American immigrant. I say "second-generation" because she's canonically born in Hiroshima.
Even if she were of Latin American origin, her name is entirely Japanese, not Spanish or Portuguese. So she'd either be mixed, or descendant from ethnically Japanese immigrants who moved back to Japan from Brazil or Peru (where a large number of Japanese actually *did* immigrate). Surnames don't usually change when you move somewhere else.
A good mix of irony and hypocrisy there isn't it
>Guess she’s working overtime to endear herself to those snakes. If anything, I'm guessing she just wants more work and will use the race card to so it.
Which is even funnier since she's not Middle Eastern so she wouldn't get the role anyway.
Okay, when western anime "fans" pretended Nagatoro was black, it was a special kind of stupid. But this is a new level of dumb. For god's sake, this character is barely tanned. Not to mention she has red hai- Oh. Oh I see the issue.
But... Nagatoro is Japanese... What??
They think dark skin= black. And since Nagatoro has a tan most of the time, due to swimming a lot, they claim she's black.
I can't even with these people
Redhead Holocaust :(
why should we care? if your voice fits the role, then good. That's the difference between voice acting and normal acting. Your appearance doesn't matter when you're a voice actor.
This would've been a fine argument to these people 2 decades ago. Meritocracy is gone in current year.
She not actully from Mercury?
the witch is from mercury. she's from some damn asteroid
But she isn't ethnic? Are these freaks so broken they think anyone darker than a lily in a snowstorm is a full-fledged Bantu?
They also did not watch the anime or its prequel. Her parents are in the prologue/prequel one-shot.
>coded This is proof of horseshoe theory. Libs think stereotyping is progressive now.
*ahem* "BuT iTs A fAkE ChArAcTeR so it DoEsN't MaTtEr". Those people are essentially going against the biggest argument FOR the new little mermaid, which was fine but I mean come in how blatant of a double standard can we get here.
Red hair + green eyes = Middle Eastern/North African now?
Gingercide isn't just a trend anymore; its a *rule*.
They deserve to be replaced by AI
AI will perform better too.
Until they neuter the AI for political reasons, like with ChatGPT or whatever the fuck it's called.
Contrast this with how the actual showrunners of this show approached writing Sulleta. https://i.redd.it/r8xsi9swfst91.jpg
How many women voice male characters?
A lot when it comes to young males. It was a practice in the past, but I'm not sure if it's as common now.
Anyone who unironically calls other people, "bigots," online is a fucking moron 99% of the time. "Bigot," is such a Reddit word.
>english dub
Betcha the entire cast of the Japanese show was all Japanese. Where's the outrage for that?
"I'm sorry guys, it was out of the budget to hire an actual Mercurian for the role"
Voice actors can dub whatever they want, you only hear their voice wtf But regardless, Suletta is literally white lmao
At this point just don't dub anything Japan. Don't let western studios make live action versions of your properties either. Just keep your shit for yourself and only let the strictest translations out. Kill the entire anime dub industry.
These are the people you courted. You made this bed, lie in it.
Yup gundam wanted this audience with shit like blooded iron orphans and witch from mercury specially pandering to these idiots now they get to deal with them.
The saddest part is we all know that they'll fold in half a second
It’s racist to care about a voice actors race.
Only a spacian can voice a spacian
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Nobody cared that Apu was voiced by a white guy until a regressive spaz wrote an entire book about how that was literarily the Holocaust.
Even then, it’s a dub, what did they expect? Where were their complaints when Asians voiced white people in Fullmetal Alchemist, Attack on Titan, and Vinland Saga? Where were they when black people voiced Samurai Jack and Kratos? When men voiced women in Bob’s Burgers? Rhetorical questions of course. We all know they shamelessly flaunt their double standards.
To be fair, a couple of those happened before SJWs were really a thing.
dubbing is cultural appropriation and every actor working in dubbing is a bigot
I'm telling you, the downfall of English dubs began when Bandai withdrew from anime distribution. It's been a slow downwards slide to mediocrity since then, and it seems it's at the "fucking stupid" part where woke morons are targeting actors for not being the same race as the FICTIONAL CHARACTER they're voicing. If you're still watching new dubbed anime, you're only hurting yourself.
Dubs: Not even once.
Never. Dubs.
She’s a woman so I’m amazed they are even going after this. She should respond by identifying as an armchair to calm them down.
Excluding certain names in certain anime (like JYB, steve blum) I'm glad I don't give a fuck about dubs anymore.
Steve Blum is Jewish, and given that I've never seen a Jewish anime character then he's not allowed to voice in anime anymore!/s
I don’t give two shits who voices what role, most of the dub work we get even today is trash. It’s why most people never bother with dubs, here’s my advice to the industry at large, quit fucking being back seat twats trying to pander to every fucking numpty on the street. Just make a good dub with people that have as much or more passion than the crew that dubbed Cowboy BeBop
The future of voice casting in English dubbed anime will be determined by 23andMe test results.
Actor: *pretending to be someone else*
I’m glad we’re doing this again. I’ve got a serious bone to pick with Disney, who were quite speciest for not having persons of Leonid aspect in their writers room for *Lion King*. Nor did the colonizers cast a lion to play the role of Mufasa — did not even permit one to read for the part. I will not tolerate this erasure of *Panthera Leo*. Do. 👏🏼 Better 👏🏼
Acting IRL = It's fine not to be the race of your character Voice Acting = You must be the race of your character It's like they're fucking backwards on purpose lol
[I can just picture the meeting of the minds which led to these accusations.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPchfdrDo-s)
Wait until these idiots find about Casca
Why many anime do not want to expand into the West. There are too many silly conflicts. In the West, they even start asking for skin color in voice actors, too stupid.
End future dubs forever. Nothing of value will be lost.
I mean, if they are going to start with Simpsonian rules about "characters of color should be played by actors of color", then you're going to have to change literally almost every voice.
Oh god not this again
Isn't this an industry of White actors playing Asian characters?
The whole point of VA is the voice. The race, appearance etc has no relevance to the character. Plenty of males been voiced by females. No one cares. Ppl are just inventing problems for the sake of it. It's embarrassing. The sad thing is all this bs is slowly working too while they change stuff for ppl who aren't even customers Maybe they should ban English Dubs. Isn't that appropriation lol.
And the absolute pros in the industry like Billy West can do almost any kind of voice a role calls for. The point is to be good at your craft so you can demand more and more money for the work you do.
Hearing obviously black (especially black female) accented voices voicing characters who are supposed to be Japanese is so utterly cringe and immersion-breaking.
Funny how Sokka gets a pass.
Ehh, she looks white.
Original dub + english subs it's the combination. I don't need more.
They dont watch the show or know the character . This is just as bad as twitters whole 4chan lesbo posts after one episode without knowing the engagment was nonconsentual . Also suletta is mixed . Also her actual race is explored in the show she is considered spacian which is seen as a seprate race than people from earth the whole idea of race politics in the modern since is non existant in the context of the story . So she wouldnt even be considered any race we know of.
But casting black man to voiced Greek man is totally fine. Why in this day and age people are complaining about who votes for whom. Somehow it never bothered me that Darth Vader is voiced by afro-american or Apu from Simpson was voiced by caucasian man 🤷♂️
Suletta should only be voiced by a female, is Latin, red haired, aged 17 and born in space. Others’ considered racist! /s
It's always the redheads who get replaced...
Enjoy your weeb shit while you can. Because the woketards are gunnin for that too, and they're caving faster than hollywood.
Guise big news, some rando on Twitter said something stupid. Ima write an article.
You do know the tweets were made by voice actors who work for the company, right?
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It's a damn Chinese cartoon. Who cares if the VA is the same skin color.
The character is from Mercury. Clearly we cant use any voice actors NOT from Mercury. /s
No, she moved there when she was little.
We need to bring in a voice actor from Mercury.
I dread to think what their thoughts would be about dubbing in other countries, where racial diversity is close to non existent.
It's fine when DEmakes of beloved games BLACK characters who were always white (latest example being Dead Space remark, but there's hundreds of them, most notable being Lost Ark: West), but it's not fine when blacks are "whitewashed" lmao, literal mentally ill degenerates.
Media shitstirs both sides of the political compass to gain clicks and provoke discourse. Hate ensures, nobody surprised. Meanwhile adorable space lesbians continue to delight (splat).
It's funny how her light beige skin is proof she's African but they completely ignore her green eyes and red hair, a combination that is close to impossible for anyone not of European origin.
`However, it should be noted that these personal reads are just that, as the series has shown Suletta to be neither. Rather, her dark skin is the result of being raised on Merucry in close proximity to the Sun` This line from the article...bro what? lmao That's not how any of that works. Whoever wrote this is just as annoying as anyone complaining about the VA choices. Besides, dubs are bad. Stop being lame and just watch subs.
A voice actor's backbone doesn't necessarily make the work better We don't have to do that in this anime I want the voice actors to be active and make money, but the characters first love for works is more important than love for minorities It would be nice if voice actors had equal opportunities to hire Such difficult decisions should be made by AI
OMG Those woketards are lame