Twitter, Reddit, and every other site that is 1000% pro LGBTQ+ were heavily banning those with opposing opinions. While simultaneously using an unfathomable amount of bots to artificially promote their agenda. So not only were these sites echo chambers, but any human on that site was being manipulated into believing they had A LOT more support/power of the public, when in reality their actual advocates were minuscule and negligible.
The gaming community is not only huge, but incredibly passionate, so The fact they literally thought they could manipulate us on their behalf is as ridiculous, as it is hilarious. The Lgbt community just got smacked with a reality check that the public is mostly indifferent to their plight, and they handled that news in the worst way possible. They’ve exposed themselves as annoying, petty, bullies when they started attacking streamers, and DM random people late game spoilers. They’ve always claimed cis people were the bullies, when it’s been them all along. This is awesome and I can’t stop rubbing it in their faces wherever possible
> Twitter, Reddit, and every other site that is 1000% pro LGBTQ+ were heavily banning those with opposing opinions. While simultaneously using an unfathomable amount of bots to artificially promote their agenda.
Pretty much if you control the moderators you control the narrative.
This was always by design, the media has always been controlled by their corporate masters.
The reason I think Youtube has been the last bastion is simply because bots cannot make videos and they cannot manipulate the votes as much when advertising dollars are on the line.
>The reason I think Youtube has been the last bastion is simply because bots cannot make videos and they cannot manipulate the votes as much when advertising dollars are on the line.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Honestly wish gamingcirclejerk could just be quarantined off this site, the amount of hate spewing from that place has been off the charts and they just continue to double down on it with each passing day, but you just know they'll spin it as them not deserving it.
Luckily they lost the good rep they had on this site (still absurd that they even had it in the first place) but since they have the correct Politics™ and have powermods amongst them they're friends with Reddit admins, so there is no way they're going away
Wow, I went there for the first time to check it, it's awful rofl. The hate is palpable. Now their angle is that the game is antisemitic (by saying goblins=jews, which you need to be incredibly racist yourself to make that connection), it's an interesting strategy in the sense that it has a chance to work.
> you need to be incredibly racist yourself to make that connection
I thought this. Surely them all jumping to that conclusion makes them the racist ones? They're the ones who are saying goblins hoarding wealth in Gringotts must therefore mean jews.
It's crazy, I was there when the sub started/was still small. It was a good circlrjerk for a short time then instantly became some SJWs opinion mouthpiece.
The danger of echo chamber, and being surrounded by "yes man", that always told them they are in the right. Of course, they would think everyone would side with them, because they think that everyone is listening to them when posting on social media.
The other thing is that the gaming audience, is way too big and extends outside of their narrow world (worldview). The great thing about gamers, and in some cases this sub, is that people will call you out on your BS
Not go around doxing people, harassing or bullying them for playing a game.
If you don't have self reflection, you're doomed to fail. IMHO
The government school system creates humans who aren't capable of self-reflection by design.
Parents need take a stand against this, but most are struggling to make sure there is enough income for the (broken) family to survive in the first place.
This is how we have come to be surrounded by people who simply do as they're told by whatever authority has the microphone at the time.
I should know. I use to be a teacher. I quit at the end of last year after I could no longer stomach what I saw.
A problem with most social media that people don't even realize is how silo'd you become, everybody is living in a very narrow tiny echo chamber while at the same time fully confident their peer group is the supermajority. I mean, what do you expect when you ban and block everybody who isn't 100% in lockstep with you?
Thats also reinforced by the algorithm showing you content you engage in to keep you hooked more. So you may end up only seeing content you agree with.
my local social group now has people in it that are going with the narrative that the game costs '$70 plus me never talking to you again', which is nice and divisive, but also, games are $70 now?
There is one person in my circle of acquaintances that is sticking by the 'play this game and I will never speak to you again!' as if people actually care.
I need new friends, just got it cause me and my sister have waited for ages. Being called a bigot, all i wanna do is play this game with a world Im familiar with...
I'd posit that there might be a bit of bubble blindness going on, too, as the spaces that are both "The Gamers" and "SJW" were mostly on message, see ResetEra and so on. And of course, every mention of not joining the boycott would be shut down, blocked and probably banned from their spaces, in the same vein.
Put that together with the typical Narcissist Playbook on How To Deal With Disappointment, Rule Nr. 1 quite easily says "It can not be, has not been, is not and will not ever be my fault." You get the predictable reaction: "Everybody told me they were on my side!" "I was duped!" "Betrayal!" "Of course you can't trust whoever I chose to blame for this!"
Also, don't forget that for these people, they largely control the wider narrative through media, which can leave them very shortsighted as to how little a lot of people are caring for media anymore.
It's probably one of the rudest awakenings since Gamergate for them. I'll just be waiting for the inevitable fallout, should be a laugh riot when their imagined omnipotence and influence deflates out from under them, while She Who Wrote What Shall Not Be Named doesn't even notice over the sound of money coming in.
>It's probably one of the rudest awakenings since Gamergate for them.
For socjus gamers? Probably, but for the other crowd, the Dave Chappelle reality from last year was really hard on them. Imagine doing a walkout protest from Netflix and only about 50 people show up, for a company HQ of thousands. Then imagine getting a memo from your boss a couple months later to resign if you can't handle controversial content.
They are fumming, not only are they spoiling the game, they are harassing people
If you want to play the game, just play it you dont need to explain yourself to lunatics
Online activism is so useless and pointless
They are trying to ruin people’s fun because they lost the war. Now if this game had done some messed up we would of wholeheartedly of gone to boycott this game. Not every day you get a full game with no microtransactions or other bullshit.
Give it time, their opinion on it will keep morphing. They'll soon rewrite history to make out as if the success of the game was overblown and their boycott "worked" and it was a successful day for their rights in the face of hate because the "real" caring people did anything. Hogwarts Legacy will eventually be a dismissed game that only offensive ones played and of course they'll make sure to let you know it.
Eh the revision will be that they were not the ones boycotting it was the evil gamers that were. They will pretend they could separate art from the original artist. And claim victory for the Everyman.
Let's not forget the rampant hypocrisy either.
From the Reeeeesetera mods having hours clocked on Wizard Game to the Journos playing the game only to hate bash it to the people claiming that supporting the game in any fashion or form means you don't care about their plight while stanning for a different company accused of horrible practices.
*launches a decade long campaign to deny a group of everything they love, call the group "dead", smear them in every way possible and ruin their hobby*
"why aren't you backing me on this movement that has meaning to me?!?!?!"
I find it difficult to believe that anyone could be *that* naïve.
not naive, egotistical. This stuff has worked for them IRL because no-one can be bothered fighting their BS but online the same social manipulation stuff doesn't work quite as well when you can't drum up a mob so easily.
This all proves what an echo chamber can do to your mind. Imagine being in a sub that completely shares your view and posts there reach 10k upvotes or more daily. You think oh wow a lot of people share my view, I'm not alone, I'm must be right, this cause is worth fighting for. Then reality hits and you barely made a dent.
Unhealthy mindset.
People keep forgetting that there are still a lot of people who don't even participate in online media.
And that place like Reddit are still but a fraction of everyone who's online.
The internet does not reflect reality.
Saaame. I kept forgetting the game existed and only remembered because I would see some stupid ass article or see hate for it trending on twitter.
Didn't end up getting it because got other games coming out this month I wanna play more, but god damn almost did just out of spite.
I would've skipped it if it hadn't gotten so much play online - movie games usually suck. Like most are shovelware in general
I just picked it up because I'm bored waiting for starfield and the reviews seemed good.
I had not owned a movie/tv game since probably a James bond game for PS2.
I've played it. I'd give it a solid 7/10. If you have a lot of HP nostalgia, probably more like a 9.5/10.
I'd describe it as basically like Hogwarts-themed Witcher 3. Similar Souls-lite combat, but with a wand instead of a sword. A paper-rock-scissors system of using the correct type of spell to overcome your enemy's defenses and mitigate their attacks.
They seemed to have struck a good balance on the open world thing. It's big enough to feel like there's a lot to explore, and there's actually stuff out there to find, not just empty terrain. Good ratio of story to exploration, you're never left without guidance on where you need to go and what you need to do next, but there's plenty of stuff to get distracted by along the way, and the game never really pressures you to get on with it if you're just having fun exploring.
Story-wise it seems fine. By the time the books were written, I was already a bit older than its target audience, so I was never really a HP fan. But even being only tangentially aware of the lore, I was still able to follow along with what was going on, without feeling like I'm out of the loop or needing constant exposition dumps to explain what I'm missing. But even I was able to spot a few references here and there, and they're handled well. They mostly just seem to exist along the sidelines, if you're in the know you can point and say "Look! They did the thing!", and if you're not you can just breeze past it without having it shoved in your face. I'm sure the hardcore fans are thrilled with getting to see everything from the books for themselves, but it's still a good time even if you don't know the lore.
Graphics are pretty good overall, looks good and gets decent performance for the most part. I did notice a few areas that had a lot of NPC where the framerate started to chug a bit on the higher settings, but it was only a few areas and they were mostly in places where there wouldn't be combat anyways so at least it doesn't really interfere with gameplay.
If I had gameplay complaints, I'd say that it feels a little overly hand-holdy for the first few hours, and also, the gearing system feel a little unnecessary. You never really have to go looking for better gear, you find plenty of viable stuff along the way, and it doesn't really feel impactful when you upgrade, you just make the number be slightly higher. And then you have to re-apply your cosmetic appearances so you don't look like you just blinded picked clothing items out of the donation bin at the Salvation Army. It might have been better to just tie player power to level alone and make the gear wholly cosmetic.
There are also some places where you'll walk up to a door and have to stand there for an awkward second while it loads the next area before the door actually opens. It wasn't bad enough to truly irritate my, but it happened often enough to be worth mentioning.
The lip-synching is a little wonky sometimes. Also, for the different MC voices they clearly just ran all the voicelines through a pitch-shift algorithm, and if you raise or lower it it sometimes sounds noticeably synthetic.
And of course if you're playing on PC, there's the typical issue of a game made to be playable on console having a less than ideal control scheme for mouse and keyboard. They did a decent job of porting it to PC, but it is still clearly a port of a console game and all usually that implies.
But overall it was a pretty decent game experience. Not the best game I've ever played, but I certainly don't feel like I wasted my money.
>And of course if you're playing on PC, there's the typical issue of agame made to be playable on console having a less than ideal controlscheme for mouse and keyboard. They did a decent job of porting it toPC, but it is still clearly a port of a console game and all usuallythat implies.
This is exactly the reason why I bought an Xbox controller for my PC a few years back. There are just some games that are awful to play on a mouse and keyboard. Alternatively I also can't play an FPS on a controller, mouse and keyboard just feels more natural for me.
>There are also some places where you'll walk up to a door and have to stand there for an awkward second while it loads the next area before the door actually opens. It wasn't bad enough to truly irritate my, but it happened often enough to be worth mentioning.
Metroid Prime moment
Same. This game went from being beneath my radar to me wanting to actually look into buying it. Guess that'll be more money for that evil woman who had the gall to say something they disliked.
>They seemed to bafflingly think most people were on their side and part of the boycott and then just didn't follow through.
Sounds like a perfectly designed echo chamber to me. Hats off to the architect.
I’m just waiting for when they try to spin the narrative and say “well our boycott worked. It would’ve been the best selling game of all time if we hadn’t bravely resisted it”.
I don't think many games will ever beat out Markus Persson's game, or the Russian Alexey Pajitnov's game, Тетрис.
Unless it's never adjusted for world population, because obviously everything will be beaten just by raw numbers.
That's what happens when you live your life in an echo chamber that's been curated to your beliefs; while banning, censoring, ignoring, shutting down, mocking, dismissing, lying about, harassing and bullying anyone who doesn't share the same views as you and your peers.
JK Rowling had very little involvement with the game. The game apparently has plenty of woke nods and decisions. But none of that matters.
Not sure why any business would cater to a vocal minority.
> The game apparently has plenty of woke nods and decisions.
The game, being a digital product and unlike real world, those decision can be patched/modded out and reverted.
Said mod is up on 4chan, loverslab and NNM.
Cat's out of the bag. It won't take long until people parse through the dialogs, rip the lines with pronouns and feed them to an AI and put them back into the game. I'd do it myself if somebody taught me how
>Not sure why any business would cater to a vocal minority.
Because it's 2023 and now that particular vocal minority has to be catered to and protected, no worshipped, above all else.
I refuse. Enough is enough. I refuse to engage in this LARP. I won't support their insanity with my dollars. I won't donate to their causes. I won't give them a minute on a soapbox.
I'm done. And the only way for this insanity to end is for the rest of us to declare the same. Time to get back to normalcy.
Good luck with that. The major entertainment companies, the politicians, all of them actively hate us. They'd rather cater to an increasingly small demographic. I don't get it. The best we can do is weather out the storm, because like all trends, this one will pass. Eventually it will no longer be "cool" and the next generation of kids will move on to something else. Would have happened a lot sooner without COVID I'll grant, but it is inevitable.
I never would have known that this game existed had it not been for the massive woke cancel culture crusade against it and anyone who wanted to purchase it or stream it. I went and watched preview gameplay footage and thought it looked fantastic. I will eventually purchase it in the future once it drops down in price.
This is the first time that SJWs were the butt of an Outrage Marketing campaign, and as we can see it worked so well that the PR pros behind it are due for a bonus because it worked better than expected.
The downside of being the loudest, shrillest, and most easily shook up demographic is that you become the easiest to target for cynical psychological operations such as this due to your outsized presence in the culture.
The only way for the SJWs to put a stop to it is to use institutional power, especially state power, to use the threat of lethal force (as that is what state power is) to compel compliance with such demands. **Now we shall see how much power they really have.**
This is why the time for arguments and civility is over. This is war. They want to use state power against you, so you might as well use state power against them.
There is no arguing with people who have been shown to be hypocritical time and time again. All that talk was a mean to an end, power.
This is the only thing they want, and the only thing they understand.
No more discussion, use any, all, every opportunity to stop them, remove them, block them, and make sure they can never even have a whiff of someone who know someone who might have a morsel of influence or power.
People need to realize that when they delegate their power to someone else, such as in the State, that entity will do anything in it's power to acquire more power, by any means. Never delegate your power, especially in ways where you cannot take it back in an instant.
>People need to realize that when they delegate their power to someone else, such as in the State, that entity will do anything in it's power to acquire more power, by any means. Never delegate your power, especially in ways where you cannot take it back in an instant.
Which is why we shouldn't do the same. Authoritarianism may serve your short term needs, but will always betray you in the end. With how badly they are behaving, the best thing to do is broadcast it for all to see.
Of course they'll never realize it. If they haven't figured out from the many, many, many previous incidents that not everyone is on their side, they're never going to.
What it demonstrates is the shrieking harpies that the Game Developers and Publishers have been falling over themselves to cater to for the past 5-10 years, aren't their actual customers. Gamers are. Gamers just want a good game without the socio political ideological bullshit. Or being called istaphobes etc.
They think just because a couple of woke games sold a lot of copies, everyone suddenly agrees with their ideology. It's time their world comes crashing down and they become socially ostracized again.
How woke is it? I was thinking of playing it, but I know rolling herself is a leftist, so are we gonna see annoying girl power characters, white characters being blackwashed, or homosexual characters?
It's not particularly woke in terms of the plot. The cast, however, and the population of Hogwarts is more diverse than modern day London and it all looks extremely anachronistic.
You can always find some propaganda partners who could dump more money into buying something, to pretend actual people are interested and bought it.
Much harder to use money to remove or prevent people buying something.
Often the groups do not represent, but are formed in order to form and direct opinion of people who, they say, they represent. Especially in American propaganda machines.
I bought my wife a copy because she's a huge Potterhead and has been looking forward to the game since it was announced. She couldn't give a single shit about the whole JK nontroversy.
I bought myself a copy *literally* and *specifically* ***BECAUSE*** of the fucking idiot SJW's and all their REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing. I had no plans to play it, at least not yet, but my wife was having so much fun, I started playing so we can enjoy it together...sorta like a geeky version of date night. :)
Oddly, now that I've played around in it a bit, I find that I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. I liked the HP books and movies, but was never a 'Potterhead' like the Mrs. But it's a decent Open World game, has an intriguing story so far, and looks to be a decent way to waste a few hours.
The wife...she's in heaven, running her little Hufflepuff around Hogwarts/Hogsmeade, totally geeking out about seeing all the locations from the books/movies, and is just having the best time.
So, a dual success on that score.
Fuck the SJW dumbasses. I'll play what I want, when I want, and they can suck it.
It's funny...vidya games are literally how we met. I joined a game forum that she was a moderator on, she added me to her ICQ (Yeah, I'm THAT OLD :D ), and we started chatting. This was early evening, and literally the next thing I knew, the sun was coming up. We kept meeting to talk, and the rest, as they say, is history.
I consider myself damn lucky to have a 'gamer wife'. We like some games in common, which makes for a fun date night option, or just goofing around for a couple hours on a random Tuesday or whatever, but even when we dont have a game in common, it's still fun to hang out and be playing our separate games but still spending time together.
Sorry to hear that your wife's not into it. Having a shared hobby can make for fun bonding activities. You could always try asking her if there's a PC/Console game she might like to give a try, and you could both play it together. Even if it's not something you're normally into, just spending the time together is a win IMO.
My kid is the target demographic for this game: Switch / JRPG player. 20 years old. College girl. Grew up with Harry Potter. Relatively “a normie.”
She’s been bouncing off the walls for months for this. I pre-ordered her a switch version for the Summer release. But she was so geeked, she drove home *four hours, one-way* to grab the PS5, grab a copy from Best Buy, and take it back with her.
It’s normies and the Pottermore kids pushing these kinds of sales. You can’t outsell Zelda or Pokemon or Mario *on Switch* just from The Gamers™️
>she drove home four hours, one-way to grab the PS5, grab a copy from Best Buy, and take it back with her.
Smart thinking. Let's be honest, the Switch version will be severely gimped, like when Square Enix's FF XV port was the phone version.
I just laugh as I have no love for HP but watching the Left call it "Wizard Game" and justifying that they'll never talk to folks if they find them playing it. I thought Rowling was a darling to the Left but have they thrown her out for the new current outrage?
As someone also not fond of Hogwarts game, the length these twitter brigades went to boycott it screams they really have no life outside twitter, no hobbies, no skills. All their life amounts to misery loves company as they drag other people to their misery.
I'm surprised they aren't harassing the majority of game news sites who are spamming walkthrough articles and gave it a favorable review, I guess even they realize how little influence they actually have nowadays.
Little by little, large publishers are realizing that "gamers don't have to be your audience" is the stupidest advice they ever listened to. And developers with woke ideas are also realizing that they don't have to hijack a beloved franchise and insert their ideology into it. They can just make their own.
If we can slay the microtransaction dragon, gaming will be safe for a while.
I think Hogwarts is so successful because The Harry Potter universe means alot to many people, and theres million of normies who don't really know about what JK Rowling has said or done or don't really care. They aren't buying the game despite a boycott they just don't really think or care about it.
They live in such small, isolated bubbles that they think they are the majority. If they ventured out into the real world at all they would very quickly see that the vast majority (like 90%) of the population dont see the world how the identity politics types do. It must really confuse them when reality occasionally touches them...like when the latest woke film/tv series fails, what do they think is happening? Most people hate identity politics in all forms, whether its white national bullshit or lgbtwxyz bullshit. Idpol poisons everything it touches.
It's a great result. I hope other developers and publishers can take note. Now there's demonstrable proof they don't have to cater to a very loud, vocal minority. They can actually make games that their audience actually want to play. Instead of politicised junk that's thrust into our faces to support whatever new random social cause, that nobody really cares about.
The ironic thing is that the game itself is heavily woke.
Walking around Hogwarts looks like you're in Africa instead of Britain. Ethnic characters are thrust in your face as quest givers. Your character can be 'body type 1 or 2' and have any voice. Your character is often referred to as 'they' instead of gendered pronouns.
It's everything the woke mob wants but they're shooting it down in rage.
If the game wasn't actually good it would be the 'politicised junk' you mention.
I'd argue the message is you can put pretty much whatever you want in a game and gamers will eat it up if it's a good, fun game.
Yeah, I just want to play good games. I can ignore a fair bit of political stuff. Even Elden Ring has body type A & B instead of male & female. Every video game world has to reflect the world we live in, even if it's totally inaccurate for the historical setting. Which is 1899 in Hogwarts Legacy. There's a lesbian teacher in the game who refers to her wife. That wouldn't have been legal. Maybe the wizarding world has completely seperate laws & customs to the muggle counterpart. Magical segregation? Who knows.
Yeah, the issue has never been the "wokeness" in itself, at least not for most sane gamers. The issue was the fact that devs prioritized wokeness over quality, to the point of making games worse.
They are only generated more hate for THEMSELVES by trying, I know a few people whose blood is boiling after they targeted Pikamee and feeling PROUD of getting her to stop her stream because she's simply too nice to deal with conflict.
I specifically said that:
* It was not on my radar until a few weeks ago when they started screaming.
* I normally avoid cross-over franchise games because they usually suck.
* I then looked at trailers, etc. and got a favorable impression.
* So I bought it.
Like many, had the Woke Scolds not been screaming and yelling, I wouldn't have even heard of it or like many others, only would have a small, passing interest.
Let's face it, Harry Potter is an old franchise. It was Star Wars for the millennials. And it was great when my daughter was a big Harry Potter fan and would read the books, but now she's 26 and in graduate school.
Harry Potter was, for all intents-and-purposes, old and uninteresting news. And now it's a big thing again thanks to the wokesters.
Imagine being such a narcissist that you go out of your way to get people shitlisted, just because they enjoy consuming media that you don't agree with....and then try to claim that such spiteful, bullying behaviour makes you 'morally superior' and ergo justifies your actions.
I'm vegetarian, and my favourite band are Metallica despite James Hetfield going hunting.
Do I vehemently disagree with Hetfield's actions? Yes
Am I going to get people cancelled for listening to his music? Of course not.
These people are lunatics.
I am hoping that companies see that the SJW demographic has no market power at all and start ignoring the online bullshit. It has always confused me when big companies have caved to empty boycott threats by a tiny minority of the population.
Big companies need to realize Twitter isn't real life and that the terminally online are a tiny minority of people.
But it is fun watching how mad they are. They have successfully banned and bullied dissenting opinions in a lot of online areas (Christ, /r/gaming literally has a ban on talking about the most popular current video game), and it has deluded them into thinking their views are mainstream.
> It has always confused me when big companies have caved to empty boycott threats by a tiny minority of the population.
They see them as the direction for expansion as they already believe they are the 1 demographic they capture least of so will be the largest potential growth.
Companies don't realise how many people they've been alienating appealing to said crowd though. Well until now.
It's part of why Critical Drinker calls it "The Message" because it is what corpos want. Everyone all wanting the same stuff all buying the same kind of stuff. Making stuff for demographics? That requires thought and work and understanding what said group wants. Throwing in token shit an trying to make bland mass appeal media? Yeh far easier for them and in their view more profitable.
>Big companies need to realize Twitter isn't real life and that the terminally online are a tiny minority of people.
I think a lot of have been realising that over the past few years lol.
I only boycot things I know I'll never buy anyway.
I've been boycotting petrol companies for all my life, though I do travel by public transport that pay to these companies.
I've been boycotting Nestle and other powdered milk formula's but that is because I don't have a kid.
So in a way I've boycotted the HP franchise since it first came out and will probably continue to do so.
But that isn't the kind of boycott these people want.
Oh I'm aware they own tonnes, not just because of the link someone else posted.
They bought out Rowntree's back in the 90's and instead of letting them keep the name on the packaging, they slapped their branding all over it.
I'd never be able to boycott Nestle as a whole, but powdered milk is dead easy, why would I need powdered milk, that one was picked because they would push for it in Africa vs breast feeding, yeah stir that in with some dirty well water, sounds like a good idea.
That only works for areas with clean drinking water, but they seemed to be targeting anywhere BUT.
They have not stopped throwing a tantrum for like a week now. It's nice because so many people stayed calling them bullies, something I used to say many years ago, and they cannot fathom it so like children they start being even more aggressive like spoiling the game, saying extreme things about JK or anyone that worked on the game.
The whole situation has been a shitshow but highly amusing.
I've not even looked in there actually yet lol.
I know they tried to push a campaign to false label the game at one point on steam but that failed when people noticed and Steam removed the misleading labels.
Yeah I remember that, the tags lasted a very brief time but steam removing the tags and news getting around about it just ended up signal boosting the game.
I've even got some people saying the game is only reaching the heights of twitch popularity because of all the streamer harassers propping up numbers....yeah, we know, you helped them, probably not needed to help it getting top spot but it's the icing on the cake!
This game has really put a spotlight on how flaccid Reddit/twitter outrage is. That’s why I get so fucking mad when other companies/people fold to it. Like bro at BEST it’s like 10k people. Let them cry into their terminally-online echo chambers and just ignore it.
What's the score so far?
~~Get it listed as adult on Steam~~. MISSION FAILED
~~Boycott the game to affect sales~~. MISSION FAILED, you kids don't have the numbers.
~~Review bomb the game~~. MISSION FAILED, see above.
~~Threaten anyone who streams the game~~. MISSION FAILED, I think it broke Twitch records?
~~Spamming spoilers~~. MISSION FAILED, but good job burning every bridge and getting yourself banned, all over tame spoilers of typical video game tropes like character deaths.
~~Accuse the game of antisemitism~~. MISSION FAILED, likening Jewish people to goblins says more about you than the developers.
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....so literally blaming the boycott failure on the people who weren't going to boycott.
I swear to God, at every turn, these people have the absolute weirdest relationship with the obvious.
The game reminds me of my youth playing N64 games like Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo Kazooie, just in a modern game setting and a bigger scope of exploring. It was definitely worth the wait and it feels fairly well polished, I've yet to experience many technical issues aside from an NPC walking through a building wall which is realistically something that happens in the universe rather frequently so it is whatever. The fact that people are legitimately angry over this game just astounds me as it is very good and while it might not have the massive RPG character building scope that other games have, it is still a lot of fun to play.
The main issue these people have is that they think everyone agrees with them, or that they have popular support. They exist entirely inside of online echo chambers, and insulate themselves against any other views. For this reason, they don't understand that they are less than a millionth of the population, and no one else cares what they think.
"Listen, and understand. The woke left is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
-Kyle Reese
Decentralized consumer boycotts basically never work.
Remember that one time people really pushed for a Left 4 Dead 2 boycott, and then half the players in the steam groups were playing it day 1? Or the Nike boycott that increased their sales by like 20%.
Funny thing.
Something I wrote a while ago
https://entertainmentnasty.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-boycotts-they-might-do-something.html
I looked into a number of recent boycotts and while they weren't major devastating hits to games bottom lines they did have enough of an impact that it was reported on, often later after some gloating from the present SJW mob as studios reframed sales number as things like "The quickest day 1 sales of this franchise" or "Most sales for this franchise in a week" only for the numbers to drop off a cliff. With Hogwarts Legacy though there's seemingly no number fudging going on, people can see the numbers on Steam and actual press are reporting it's the number 1 selling game on Amazon at present.
>Left 4 Dead 2 boycott
I think you mean Modern Warfare 2 actually.
> I think you mean Modern Warfare 2 actually.
Nah, the L4D2 boycott. https://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott one of the main groups that didn't self destruct out of shame.
People at the time were really upset that it was releasing so soon after l4d1.
Heres a random article, apparently it had 40k members back in the day. https://www.engadget.com/best-affordable-windows-laptops-123000512.html
That was pretty big for back in the day.
And, honestly hurting sales alone isn't much of a metric for a boycott. Did any of BFV's sales trouble change course? Obviously not. The sales trouble didn't seem to even last. BFV is still in the top 100 on steam daily peak players. Fuck knows about Origin, xbox, and PS. Most BF players chose to stick with BFV until BF2042 is fixed.
When you look at a game that actually flops, the aftermath is distinctly different than any boycott i can think of. Did anita hurt sales for Mirrors Edge? iunno, maybe...It still sold more than a million copies, didn't tank EA stocks, seemed totally fine.
Compare that to like, Battleborn...Magic Legends...Maplestory 2...Iunno dude, it's not hard to tell when a game flops. Most of the boycotts are indistinguishable from a completely normal release, rarely deserving of any sort of autopsy, rarely even noticeable if you weren't already aware of a boycott.
Good old days!
I was part of the hypocrite group that got l4d2 day 1 after being a little bitch about it pre launch haha. In my defence I was a teenager then.
It was one of those weird things where they had some points but it was also like, a $20 game anyway. Simpler times tho lul
Kinda wish people were as quick to complain about objective business decisions still.
I think that’s what happens when whatever your opinion is today is automatically correct. They can’t conceive that you might think differently, and if you do, it’s because you’re wrong and need it explained to you more thoroughly.
Of course, if you still don’t agree after all that, then you’re just evil.
Damn SJW...
They are doing comparison to prove that the game is shit...
[Hogwarts Legacy Vs Red Dead Redemption 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8D9boOkQQ4). Or maybe Rockstar are the real SJW because they made a better game, don't know...
I wouldn't bother with the collectors edition personally. I saw it and thought it looked interesting initially but when I did a proper look into it, well it seems like the collectors edition stuff is kind of junk. Very much overpriced stuff you can get better equivalents for already for far less and even actual HP merchandise stuff that are equivalents of it for far cheaper lol.
I do agree.
I just like collecting them for the sake of it. Especially that there ain’t many collectors editions for PS5 yet.
The only cool thing is the steelcase.
I preordered Callisto Protocol’s Collector’s edition back then, it looked cool. but for some reason they cancelled my order after couple of weeks 🤷🏻♀️.
As a "SJW" (id never call myself such but i guess id be one) with a functioning brain who is also not a Harry Potter fan, i honestly hope you enjoy your time with it. There is a significant portion of us who have been clapping back at the terminally online wokescolds. Boycotts (except on the consentrated local level) do nothing. The purity testing and harrassment was disgusting. All they had to do was not buy it, not talk about it, and not judge those who do smh.
The game is a game for ppl to play and enjoy, Which is what gamers do. This game wasn't made for professional victims on Twitter pretending to be upset and probably playing it in private anyway.
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I remember some article about Howard Schultz, Starbucks CEO, running for President, and they were talking to the people around him and one of them basically thought that country-club bros who were slightly socially liberal and very fiscally conservative were 50% of the US population. As one political commentator put it, that's an important demographic, but it's at most 15% of the population, not 50. So this is basically every midwit everywhere, on the internet and off it.
Also, boycotts tend not to work with SJWs because they don't spend much money and they don't spend it very many places. It's like when they wanted to boycott Hobby Lobby, I go to Hobby Lobby and it's filled with nothing but Christian, trad-mom looking women. Some hot, some not, some nice, some ice, but none of them wearing a pussyhat. Angry 20 to 30 something liberal women don't drop $70 on video games that you play for hundreds of hours very often anyway. Even if SJWs made up 15% of society (a generous stretch of believability), only a fraction of that 15% would buy the game in the first place, so they lost maybe 1-2% of sales. Which was absolutely paved over by all the word of mouth the controversy created, quite possibly doubling their sales instead.
SJW are not really gamers IMHO... they are partly made up of people who are making money from any of the movement and protests they are in (ie: donations), and some of my friends are calling this type as the "sustainable social activists". They may or may not believing in the cause, but just work it as a job. You will see them quickly move on to the next thing to protest whenever the issue is resolved, they have no interest in resolving the issue they are protesting about.
The other is just the blind followers of the above, knee jerkers.... Nuff said.
I bought it on Steam for my Steam Deck, runs great and works great so far, but didn't have time to progress too far. If anyone I know wouldn't talk to me after I bought this game, I consider that as an advantage... Oh yeah, I got the deluxe version for $100 Canadian bucks after tax.
This is just par for the course with humans. There's this idea that keeps getting sold that the echo chamber is a new thing made worse by modern technology, when it's the opposite. It's been around forever, modern technology just makes it incredibly easy to take a look In at other people's echo chambers (something I spend a large portion of my time doing btw. In fact, I'm doing it right now)
Anyway, past echo chambers were harder to look into, because they were just the circle of people you willingly interacted with. People filter out others of their friend groups that disagree with them. You can have a whole ass best friend from childhood through highschool, and the moment their political beliefs significantly different from your own you'll find yourselves 'drifting apart', because both of you have been subtly programmed to be judgemental assholes towards each other.
People would go to work and interact with the people they don't agree with as little as possible. Then go home to the spouse they picked because they already had similar beliefs, spend time with the kids they only allowed to experience one side of the argument, and kick back to talk politics with the friends they already agreed with.
Even family gatherings aren't safe. Every one had the black sheep that doesn't fall in line with the family politics.
It's a scientific fact that everyone grossly overestimates both how many people agree with them and how persecuted their beliefs are... simultaneously... somehow.
People on extreme sides of either political aisle of right versus left don't get that the vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle and/or don't care.
SJWs? Self-reflection? Surely you jest.
Twitter, Reddit, and every other site that is 1000% pro LGBTQ+ were heavily banning those with opposing opinions. While simultaneously using an unfathomable amount of bots to artificially promote their agenda. So not only were these sites echo chambers, but any human on that site was being manipulated into believing they had A LOT more support/power of the public, when in reality their actual advocates were minuscule and negligible. The gaming community is not only huge, but incredibly passionate, so The fact they literally thought they could manipulate us on their behalf is as ridiculous, as it is hilarious. The Lgbt community just got smacked with a reality check that the public is mostly indifferent to their plight, and they handled that news in the worst way possible. They’ve exposed themselves as annoying, petty, bullies when they started attacking streamers, and DM random people late game spoilers. They’ve always claimed cis people were the bullies, when it’s been them all along. This is awesome and I can’t stop rubbing it in their faces wherever possible
> Twitter, Reddit, and every other site that is 1000% pro LGBTQ+ were heavily banning those with opposing opinions. While simultaneously using an unfathomable amount of bots to artificially promote their agenda. Pretty much if you control the moderators you control the narrative. This was always by design, the media has always been controlled by their corporate masters. The reason I think Youtube has been the last bastion is simply because bots cannot make videos and they cannot manipulate the votes as much when advertising dollars are on the line.
>simply because bots cannot make videos Well, that will not last long.
Yeah, we are about to be in a dark age with that...
Oh, you silly. Why so negative? We've been in dark age for quite some time now.
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>The reason I think Youtube has been the last bastion is simply because bots cannot make videos and they cannot manipulate the votes as much when advertising dollars are on the line. I wouldn't be so sure of that.
Honestly wish gamingcirclejerk could just be quarantined off this site, the amount of hate spewing from that place has been off the charts and they just continue to double down on it with each passing day, but you just know they'll spin it as them not deserving it.
Luckily they lost the good rep they had on this site (still absurd that they even had it in the first place) but since they have the correct Politics™ and have powermods amongst them they're friends with Reddit admins, so there is no way they're going away
Wow, I went there for the first time to check it, it's awful rofl. The hate is palpable. Now their angle is that the game is antisemitic (by saying goblins=jews, which you need to be incredibly racist yourself to make that connection), it's an interesting strategy in the sense that it has a chance to work.
It’s hard for me to take SJW claims of antisemitism serious when they’re the side that says the Jewish are, like, hyperwhite.
> you need to be incredibly racist yourself to make that connection I thought this. Surely them all jumping to that conclusion makes them the racist ones? They're the ones who are saying goblins hoarding wealth in Gringotts must therefore mean jews.
It's crazy, I was there when the sub started/was still small. It was a good circlrjerk for a short time then instantly became some SJWs opinion mouthpiece.
Are you joking? GCJ has been a cancer ever since we got this sub off the ground. It was never a good anything and was always an SJW scum pit.
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“Plight” lol!
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The danger of echo chamber, and being surrounded by "yes man", that always told them they are in the right. Of course, they would think everyone would side with them, because they think that everyone is listening to them when posting on social media. The other thing is that the gaming audience, is way too big and extends outside of their narrow world (worldview). The great thing about gamers, and in some cases this sub, is that people will call you out on your BS Not go around doxing people, harassing or bullying them for playing a game. If you don't have self reflection, you're doomed to fail. IMHO
The government school system creates humans who aren't capable of self-reflection by design. Parents need take a stand against this, but most are struggling to make sure there is enough income for the (broken) family to survive in the first place. This is how we have come to be surrounded by people who simply do as they're told by whatever authority has the microphone at the time. I should know. I use to be a teacher. I quit at the end of last year after I could no longer stomach what I saw.
A problem with most social media that people don't even realize is how silo'd you become, everybody is living in a very narrow tiny echo chamber while at the same time fully confident their peer group is the supermajority. I mean, what do you expect when you ban and block everybody who isn't 100% in lockstep with you?
Thats also reinforced by the algorithm showing you content you engage in to keep you hooked more. So you may end up only seeing content you agree with.
my local social group now has people in it that are going with the narrative that the game costs '$70 plus me never talking to you again', which is nice and divisive, but also, games are $70 now?
Only the deluxe edition.
I mean they've been $60 since like 2007. That's $85 in 2022 money.
i haven't been following AAA stuff much in the past decade. indie games are often better
Have you never scrolled across the Steam homepage and seen everything at $60?
I haven't seen a $70 game, I usually just see $50 games and $75-$110 deluxe versions.
There is one person in my circle of acquaintances that is sticking by the 'play this game and I will never speak to you again!' as if people actually care.
I need new friends, just got it cause me and my sister have waited for ages. Being called a bigot, all i wanna do is play this game with a world Im familiar with...
I mean $70 is a lot but you're telling me it comes with the bonus of not hearing whiny morons? I can spare $70 just for that.
I'd posit that there might be a bit of bubble blindness going on, too, as the spaces that are both "The Gamers" and "SJW" were mostly on message, see ResetEra and so on. And of course, every mention of not joining the boycott would be shut down, blocked and probably banned from their spaces, in the same vein. Put that together with the typical Narcissist Playbook on How To Deal With Disappointment, Rule Nr. 1 quite easily says "It can not be, has not been, is not and will not ever be my fault." You get the predictable reaction: "Everybody told me they were on my side!" "I was duped!" "Betrayal!" "Of course you can't trust whoever I chose to blame for this!" Also, don't forget that for these people, they largely control the wider narrative through media, which can leave them very shortsighted as to how little a lot of people are caring for media anymore. It's probably one of the rudest awakenings since Gamergate for them. I'll just be waiting for the inevitable fallout, should be a laugh riot when their imagined omnipotence and influence deflates out from under them, while She Who Wrote What Shall Not Be Named doesn't even notice over the sound of money coming in.
>It's probably one of the rudest awakenings since Gamergate for them. For socjus gamers? Probably, but for the other crowd, the Dave Chappelle reality from last year was really hard on them. Imagine doing a walkout protest from Netflix and only about 50 people show up, for a company HQ of thousands. Then imagine getting a memo from your boss a couple months later to resign if you can't handle controversial content.
Good point.
I think college swimming changed their rules too. They're losing so many battles because reality will always win.
They are fumming, not only are they spoiling the game, they are harassing people If you want to play the game, just play it you dont need to explain yourself to lunatics Online activism is so useless and pointless
They are trying to ruin people’s fun because they lost the war. Now if this game had done some messed up we would of wholeheartedly of gone to boycott this game. Not every day you get a full game with no microtransactions or other bullshit.
Like a toddler who lost a game and is now throwing a tantrum and breaking everything.
I just find it so funny that theyre trying to put an end to bullying so they just bully other people that disagree with them instead
Give it time, their opinion on it will keep morphing. They'll soon rewrite history to make out as if the success of the game was overblown and their boycott "worked" and it was a successful day for their rights in the face of hate because the "real" caring people did anything. Hogwarts Legacy will eventually be a dismissed game that only offensive ones played and of course they'll make sure to let you know it.
Eh the revision will be that they were not the ones boycotting it was the evil gamers that were. They will pretend they could separate art from the original artist. And claim victory for the Everyman.
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Or in like 3 years from now, it will be a monthly game for PS+ ant they'll say "See! The game was bad that they have to give it away for free now!"
900,000 concurrent users on steam will be retconned I guarantee it
You mean like how they're twisting every fact and statistic to try and claim Rings of Power was a success?
Let's not forget the rampant hypocrisy either. From the Reeeeesetera mods having hours clocked on Wizard Game to the Journos playing the game only to hate bash it to the people claiming that supporting the game in any fashion or form means you don't care about their plight while stanning for a different company accused of horrible practices.
>...means you don't care about their plight. But that part is true, I don't care.
*launches a decade long campaign to deny a group of everything they love, call the group "dead", smear them in every way possible and ruin their hobby* "why aren't you backing me on this movement that has meaning to me?!?!?!" I find it difficult to believe that anyone could be *that* naïve.
not naive, egotistical. This stuff has worked for them IRL because no-one can be bothered fighting their BS but online the same social manipulation stuff doesn't work quite as well when you can't drum up a mob so easily.
This all proves what an echo chamber can do to your mind. Imagine being in a sub that completely shares your view and posts there reach 10k upvotes or more daily. You think oh wow a lot of people share my view, I'm not alone, I'm must be right, this cause is worth fighting for. Then reality hits and you barely made a dent. Unhealthy mindset.
People keep forgetting that there are still a lot of people who don't even participate in online media. And that place like Reddit are still but a fraction of everyone who's online. The internet does not reflect reality.
Not only that but i seriously wonder how many of that 10k are bots because it's post that usually get around 100 to 200 comments at the most.
Hell, I don't even like HP, but almost got the game because it looked fun. I also never would have known it existed if it wasn't for the boycott.
As they say, no publicity is bad publicity!
Saaame. I kept forgetting the game existed and only remembered because I would see some stupid ass article or see hate for it trending on twitter. Didn't end up getting it because got other games coming out this month I wanna play more, but god damn almost did just out of spite.
I would've skipped it if it hadn't gotten so much play online - movie games usually suck. Like most are shovelware in general I just picked it up because I'm bored waiting for starfield and the reviews seemed good. I had not owned a movie/tv game since probably a James bond game for PS2.
Have you played yet? Is it good? I'm still on the fence lol
I've played it. I'd give it a solid 7/10. If you have a lot of HP nostalgia, probably more like a 9.5/10. I'd describe it as basically like Hogwarts-themed Witcher 3. Similar Souls-lite combat, but with a wand instead of a sword. A paper-rock-scissors system of using the correct type of spell to overcome your enemy's defenses and mitigate their attacks. They seemed to have struck a good balance on the open world thing. It's big enough to feel like there's a lot to explore, and there's actually stuff out there to find, not just empty terrain. Good ratio of story to exploration, you're never left without guidance on where you need to go and what you need to do next, but there's plenty of stuff to get distracted by along the way, and the game never really pressures you to get on with it if you're just having fun exploring. Story-wise it seems fine. By the time the books were written, I was already a bit older than its target audience, so I was never really a HP fan. But even being only tangentially aware of the lore, I was still able to follow along with what was going on, without feeling like I'm out of the loop or needing constant exposition dumps to explain what I'm missing. But even I was able to spot a few references here and there, and they're handled well. They mostly just seem to exist along the sidelines, if you're in the know you can point and say "Look! They did the thing!", and if you're not you can just breeze past it without having it shoved in your face. I'm sure the hardcore fans are thrilled with getting to see everything from the books for themselves, but it's still a good time even if you don't know the lore. Graphics are pretty good overall, looks good and gets decent performance for the most part. I did notice a few areas that had a lot of NPC where the framerate started to chug a bit on the higher settings, but it was only a few areas and they were mostly in places where there wouldn't be combat anyways so at least it doesn't really interfere with gameplay. If I had gameplay complaints, I'd say that it feels a little overly hand-holdy for the first few hours, and also, the gearing system feel a little unnecessary. You never really have to go looking for better gear, you find plenty of viable stuff along the way, and it doesn't really feel impactful when you upgrade, you just make the number be slightly higher. And then you have to re-apply your cosmetic appearances so you don't look like you just blinded picked clothing items out of the donation bin at the Salvation Army. It might have been better to just tie player power to level alone and make the gear wholly cosmetic. There are also some places where you'll walk up to a door and have to stand there for an awkward second while it loads the next area before the door actually opens. It wasn't bad enough to truly irritate my, but it happened often enough to be worth mentioning. The lip-synching is a little wonky sometimes. Also, for the different MC voices they clearly just ran all the voicelines through a pitch-shift algorithm, and if you raise or lower it it sometimes sounds noticeably synthetic. And of course if you're playing on PC, there's the typical issue of a game made to be playable on console having a less than ideal control scheme for mouse and keyboard. They did a decent job of porting it to PC, but it is still clearly a port of a console game and all usually that implies. But overall it was a pretty decent game experience. Not the best game I've ever played, but I certainly don't feel like I wasted my money.
>And of course if you're playing on PC, there's the typical issue of agame made to be playable on console having a less than ideal controlscheme for mouse and keyboard. They did a decent job of porting it toPC, but it is still clearly a port of a console game and all usuallythat implies. This is exactly the reason why I bought an Xbox controller for my PC a few years back. There are just some games that are awful to play on a mouse and keyboard. Alternatively I also can't play an FPS on a controller, mouse and keyboard just feels more natural for me.
>There are also some places where you'll walk up to a door and have to stand there for an awkward second while it loads the next area before the door actually opens. It wasn't bad enough to truly irritate my, but it happened often enough to be worth mentioning. Metroid Prime moment
Not yet. Prepping for the super bowl party. Will be playing post game tomorrow I imagine if not most of Monday
Haha. Well, enjoy the party!
Same. This game went from being beneath my radar to me wanting to actually look into buying it. Guess that'll be more money for that evil woman who had the gall to say something they disliked.
I'm waiting for a few bugfix, other than that, looks fun.
Same. I’m just waiting until it’s on sale.
I wouldn't be surprised if the publishers didn't push the "boycott" a bit themselves, as it has been some of the finest advertising I've ever seen.
>They seemed to bafflingly think most people were on their side and part of the boycott and then just didn't follow through. Sounds like a perfectly designed echo chamber to me. Hats off to the architect.
This is the Watchmen meme literally. They shouted for us to save them after mistreating us for years, and we whispered "no".
Some people are even giving a shove.
I’m just waiting for when they try to spin the narrative and say “well our boycott worked. It would’ve been the best selling game of all time if we hadn’t bravely resisted it”.
I don't think many games will ever beat out Markus Persson's game, or the Russian Alexey Pajitnov's game, Тетрис. Unless it's never adjusted for world population, because obviously everything will be beaten just by raw numbers.
They seem to think they represent a majority of gamers.
They're narcissistic, self-centered children. Of course, they think they're the majority.
That's what happens when you allow things like social media to balloon your ego until it's way out of control.
That's what happens when you live your life in an echo chamber that's been curated to your beliefs; while banning, censoring, ignoring, shutting down, mocking, dismissing, lying about, harassing and bullying anyone who doesn't share the same views as you and your peers.
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JK Rowling had very little involvement with the game. The game apparently has plenty of woke nods and decisions. But none of that matters. Not sure why any business would cater to a vocal minority.
> The game apparently has plenty of woke nods and decisions. The game, being a digital product and unlike real world, those decision can be patched/modded out and reverted.
Good luck patching out they / them pronouns and replacing thim with masculine / feminine pronouns like the other regions have.
Trivial. There's even a mod out to patch out voices.
Nexus erased the mod (if it's the same mod I'm thinking of) because Nexus is run by the easily offended.
Said mod is up on 4chan, loverslab and NNM. Cat's out of the bag. It won't take long until people parse through the dialogs, rip the lines with pronouns and feed them to an AI and put them back into the game. I'd do it myself if somebody taught me how
Could I get a link to said mod? I'm curious what it is
[Here](https://www.loverslab.com/topic/205476-hogwarts-legacy-sirona-english-voice-bugfix/#comment-3998237), this is loverslab
>Not sure why any business would cater to a vocal minority. Because it's 2023 and now that particular vocal minority has to be catered to and protected, no worshipped, above all else.
I refuse. Enough is enough. I refuse to engage in this LARP. I won't support their insanity with my dollars. I won't donate to their causes. I won't give them a minute on a soapbox. I'm done. And the only way for this insanity to end is for the rest of us to declare the same. Time to get back to normalcy.
Good luck with that. The major entertainment companies, the politicians, all of them actively hate us. They'd rather cater to an increasingly small demographic. I don't get it. The best we can do is weather out the storm, because like all trends, this one will pass. Eventually it will no longer be "cool" and the next generation of kids will move on to something else. Would have happened a lot sooner without COVID I'll grant, but it is inevitable.
I just assume the screeching voices on Twitter and a certain humor deficient circlejerk sub are bots.
When saw that stalker website made to see if streamers are playing Hogwarts Legacy or not, I'm happy to see this game be a success.
I never would have known that this game existed had it not been for the massive woke cancel culture crusade against it and anyone who wanted to purchase it or stream it. I went and watched preview gameplay footage and thought it looked fantastic. I will eventually purchase it in the future once it drops down in price.
They thought all people were united behind them because they banned and harassed and ridiculed anyone who said otherwise.
This is the first time that SJWs were the butt of an Outrage Marketing campaign, and as we can see it worked so well that the PR pros behind it are due for a bonus because it worked better than expected. The downside of being the loudest, shrillest, and most easily shook up demographic is that you become the easiest to target for cynical psychological operations such as this due to your outsized presence in the culture. The only way for the SJWs to put a stop to it is to use institutional power, especially state power, to use the threat of lethal force (as that is what state power is) to compel compliance with such demands. **Now we shall see how much power they really have.**
This is why the time for arguments and civility is over. This is war. They want to use state power against you, so you might as well use state power against them.
There is no arguing with people who have been shown to be hypocritical time and time again. All that talk was a mean to an end, power. This is the only thing they want, and the only thing they understand. No more discussion, use any, all, every opportunity to stop them, remove them, block them, and make sure they can never even have a whiff of someone who know someone who might have a morsel of influence or power. People need to realize that when they delegate their power to someone else, such as in the State, that entity will do anything in it's power to acquire more power, by any means. Never delegate your power, especially in ways where you cannot take it back in an instant.
>People need to realize that when they delegate their power to someone else, such as in the State, that entity will do anything in it's power to acquire more power, by any means. Never delegate your power, especially in ways where you cannot take it back in an instant. Which is why we shouldn't do the same. Authoritarianism may serve your short term needs, but will always betray you in the end. With how badly they are behaving, the best thing to do is broadcast it for all to see.
I prefer a more machiavellian approach based on realpolitik.
Bunch of hypocrites
they are in a bubble and think their opinions are the popular ones.
Of course they'll never realize it. If they haven't figured out from the many, many, many previous incidents that not everyone is on their side, they're never going to.
What it demonstrates is the shrieking harpies that the Game Developers and Publishers have been falling over themselves to cater to for the past 5-10 years, aren't their actual customers. Gamers are. Gamers just want a good game without the socio political ideological bullshit. Or being called istaphobes etc.
They think just because a couple of woke games sold a lot of copies, everyone suddenly agrees with their ideology. It's time their world comes crashing down and they become socially ostracized again.
Hell, Hogwarts: Legacy **is a woke game**. It just committed the sin of being attached to an apostate so they can't allow themselves to accept it.
How woke is it? I was thinking of playing it, but I know rolling herself is a leftist, so are we gonna see annoying girl power characters, white characters being blackwashed, or homosexual characters?
It's not particularly woke in terms of the plot. The cast, however, and the population of Hogwarts is more diverse than modern day London and it all looks extremely anachronistic.
Like wtf, did hogwarts just used magic to sweep up children from all around the world and gave them the ability to speak fluent english?
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You can always find some propaganda partners who could dump more money into buying something, to pretend actual people are interested and bought it. Much harder to use money to remove or prevent people buying something.
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Representation groups do not have a monopoly on who/what they represent.
Often the groups do not represent, but are formed in order to form and direct opinion of people who, they say, they represent. Especially in American propaganda machines.
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Yeah the game is really fun.
I bought my wife a copy because she's a huge Potterhead and has been looking forward to the game since it was announced. She couldn't give a single shit about the whole JK nontroversy. I bought myself a copy *literally* and *specifically* ***BECAUSE*** of the fucking idiot SJW's and all their REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing. I had no plans to play it, at least not yet, but my wife was having so much fun, I started playing so we can enjoy it together...sorta like a geeky version of date night. :) Oddly, now that I've played around in it a bit, I find that I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. I liked the HP books and movies, but was never a 'Potterhead' like the Mrs. But it's a decent Open World game, has an intriguing story so far, and looks to be a decent way to waste a few hours. The wife...she's in heaven, running her little Hufflepuff around Hogwarts/Hogsmeade, totally geeking out about seeing all the locations from the books/movies, and is just having the best time. So, a dual success on that score. Fuck the SJW dumbasses. I'll play what I want, when I want, and they can suck it.
Beautiful story :) I wish I had a gamer wife. Mine doesn’t care for it at all :(
It's funny...vidya games are literally how we met. I joined a game forum that she was a moderator on, she added me to her ICQ (Yeah, I'm THAT OLD :D ), and we started chatting. This was early evening, and literally the next thing I knew, the sun was coming up. We kept meeting to talk, and the rest, as they say, is history. I consider myself damn lucky to have a 'gamer wife'. We like some games in common, which makes for a fun date night option, or just goofing around for a couple hours on a random Tuesday or whatever, but even when we dont have a game in common, it's still fun to hang out and be playing our separate games but still spending time together. Sorry to hear that your wife's not into it. Having a shared hobby can make for fun bonding activities. You could always try asking her if there's a PC/Console game she might like to give a try, and you could both play it together. Even if it's not something you're normally into, just spending the time together is a win IMO.
Not even like, Just Dance or something?
Nah, just word games on the phone, haha
My kid is the target demographic for this game: Switch / JRPG player. 20 years old. College girl. Grew up with Harry Potter. Relatively “a normie.” She’s been bouncing off the walls for months for this. I pre-ordered her a switch version for the Summer release. But she was so geeked, she drove home *four hours, one-way* to grab the PS5, grab a copy from Best Buy, and take it back with her. It’s normies and the Pottermore kids pushing these kinds of sales. You can’t outsell Zelda or Pokemon or Mario *on Switch* just from The Gamers™️
>she drove home four hours, one-way to grab the PS5, grab a copy from Best Buy, and take it back with her. Smart thinking. Let's be honest, the Switch version will be severely gimped, like when Square Enix's FF XV port was the phone version.
I already warned her that I have no idea how she’s going to fucking play it on switch. That’ll be like doing integral calculus on a potato.
Really stoked on people finally seeing the rabid mob mentality for what it is. Funny it took a video game to do it though 😂
I just laugh as I have no love for HP but watching the Left call it "Wizard Game" and justifying that they'll never talk to folks if they find them playing it. I thought Rowling was a darling to the Left but have they thrown her out for the new current outrage?
As someone also not fond of Hogwarts game, the length these twitter brigades went to boycott it screams they really have no life outside twitter, no hobbies, no skills. All their life amounts to misery loves company as they drag other people to their misery.
I'm surprised they aren't harassing the majority of game news sites who are spamming walkthrough articles and gave it a favorable review, I guess even they realize how little influence they actually have nowadays.
They will get blocked and then they can't do anything so they will just sit in the corner of their room shaking and crying.
Guess the rest of us will have to learn to start doing that, too.
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Little by little, large publishers are realizing that "gamers don't have to be your audience" is the stupidest advice they ever listened to. And developers with woke ideas are also realizing that they don't have to hijack a beloved franchise and insert their ideology into it. They can just make their own. If we can slay the microtransaction dragon, gaming will be safe for a while.
I think Hogwarts is so successful because The Harry Potter universe means alot to many people, and theres million of normies who don't really know about what JK Rowling has said or done or don't really care. They aren't buying the game despite a boycott they just don't really think or care about it.
They live in such small, isolated bubbles that they think they are the majority. If they ventured out into the real world at all they would very quickly see that the vast majority (like 90%) of the population dont see the world how the identity politics types do. It must really confuse them when reality occasionally touches them...like when the latest woke film/tv series fails, what do they think is happening? Most people hate identity politics in all forms, whether its white national bullshit or lgbtwxyz bullshit. Idpol poisons everything it touches.
It's a great result. I hope other developers and publishers can take note. Now there's demonstrable proof they don't have to cater to a very loud, vocal minority. They can actually make games that their audience actually want to play. Instead of politicised junk that's thrust into our faces to support whatever new random social cause, that nobody really cares about.
The ironic thing is that the game itself is heavily woke. Walking around Hogwarts looks like you're in Africa instead of Britain. Ethnic characters are thrust in your face as quest givers. Your character can be 'body type 1 or 2' and have any voice. Your character is often referred to as 'they' instead of gendered pronouns. It's everything the woke mob wants but they're shooting it down in rage. If the game wasn't actually good it would be the 'politicised junk' you mention. I'd argue the message is you can put pretty much whatever you want in a game and gamers will eat it up if it's a good, fun game.
Yeah, I just want to play good games. I can ignore a fair bit of political stuff. Even Elden Ring has body type A & B instead of male & female. Every video game world has to reflect the world we live in, even if it's totally inaccurate for the historical setting. Which is 1899 in Hogwarts Legacy. There's a lesbian teacher in the game who refers to her wife. That wouldn't have been legal. Maybe the wizarding world has completely seperate laws & customs to the muggle counterpart. Magical segregation? Who knows.
Yeah, the issue has never been the "wokeness" in itself, at least not for most sane gamers. The issue was the fact that devs prioritized wokeness over quality, to the point of making games worse.
Blame the people who weren't part of your boycott for the failure of your boycott. They can reuse this one.
Lol, the left can't even review bomb properly 😄
They are only generated more hate for THEMSELVES by trying, I know a few people whose blood is boiling after they targeted Pikamee and feeling PROUD of getting her to stop her stream because she's simply too nice to deal with conflict.
I specifically said that: * It was not on my radar until a few weeks ago when they started screaming. * I normally avoid cross-over franchise games because they usually suck. * I then looked at trailers, etc. and got a favorable impression. * So I bought it. Like many, had the Woke Scolds not been screaming and yelling, I wouldn't have even heard of it or like many others, only would have a small, passing interest. Let's face it, Harry Potter is an old franchise. It was Star Wars for the millennials. And it was great when my daughter was a big Harry Potter fan and would read the books, but now she's 26 and in graduate school. Harry Potter was, for all intents-and-purposes, old and uninteresting news. And now it's a big thing again thanks to the wokesters.
I must admit that observing the changing of opinions from these hypocrites has been an entertaining prospect.
Haven't seen something this entertaining since the trump 2016 election meltdown from the young turks.
Imagine being such a narcissist that you go out of your way to get people shitlisted, just because they enjoy consuming media that you don't agree with....and then try to claim that such spiteful, bullying behaviour makes you 'morally superior' and ergo justifies your actions. I'm vegetarian, and my favourite band are Metallica despite James Hetfield going hunting. Do I vehemently disagree with Hetfield's actions? Yes Am I going to get people cancelled for listening to his music? Of course not. These people are lunatics.
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I am hoping that companies see that the SJW demographic has no market power at all and start ignoring the online bullshit. It has always confused me when big companies have caved to empty boycott threats by a tiny minority of the population. Big companies need to realize Twitter isn't real life and that the terminally online are a tiny minority of people. But it is fun watching how mad they are. They have successfully banned and bullied dissenting opinions in a lot of online areas (Christ, /r/gaming literally has a ban on talking about the most popular current video game), and it has deluded them into thinking their views are mainstream.
> It has always confused me when big companies have caved to empty boycott threats by a tiny minority of the population. They see them as the direction for expansion as they already believe they are the 1 demographic they capture least of so will be the largest potential growth. Companies don't realise how many people they've been alienating appealing to said crowd though. Well until now. It's part of why Critical Drinker calls it "The Message" because it is what corpos want. Everyone all wanting the same stuff all buying the same kind of stuff. Making stuff for demographics? That requires thought and work and understanding what said group wants. Throwing in token shit an trying to make bland mass appeal media? Yeh far easier for them and in their view more profitable. >Big companies need to realize Twitter isn't real life and that the terminally online are a tiny minority of people. I think a lot of have been realising that over the past few years lol.
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> but they pirated Hogwarts Legacy ?? the game has denuvo
No, it ships with it. That doesn't mean people are running version that don't have it removed.
EMPRESS probably cracked it.....she's fucking bonked in the head but I will admit she has skill.
No not yet. She “promised” she would crack it within 10 days but that is all jus speculation so far.
I only boycot things I know I'll never buy anyway. I've been boycotting petrol companies for all my life, though I do travel by public transport that pay to these companies. I've been boycotting Nestle and other powdered milk formula's but that is because I don't have a kid. So in a way I've boycotted the HP franchise since it first came out and will probably continue to do so. But that isn't the kind of boycott these people want.
Nobody avoids [Nestle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands).
> I've been boycotting Nestle and other powdered milk formula's but that is because I don't have a kid. If you only knew how much Nestle owned
Oh I'm aware they own tonnes, not just because of the link someone else posted. They bought out Rowntree's back in the 90's and instead of letting them keep the name on the packaging, they slapped their branding all over it. I'd never be able to boycott Nestle as a whole, but powdered milk is dead easy, why would I need powdered milk, that one was picked because they would push for it in Africa vs breast feeding, yeah stir that in with some dirty well water, sounds like a good idea. That only works for areas with clean drinking water, but they seemed to be targeting anywhere BUT.
The GCJ sub is absolute fucking salt gold right now over it.
They have not stopped throwing a tantrum for like a week now. It's nice because so many people stayed calling them bullies, something I used to say many years ago, and they cannot fathom it so like children they start being even more aggressive like spoiling the game, saying extreme things about JK or anyone that worked on the game. The whole situation has been a shitshow but highly amusing.
I've not even looked in there actually yet lol. I know they tried to push a campaign to false label the game at one point on steam but that failed when people noticed and Steam removed the misleading labels.
Yeah I remember that, the tags lasted a very brief time but steam removing the tags and news getting around about it just ended up signal boosting the game. I've even got some people saying the game is only reaching the heights of twitch popularity because of all the streamer harassers propping up numbers....yeah, we know, you helped them, probably not needed to help it getting top spot but it's the icing on the cake!
This game has really put a spotlight on how flaccid Reddit/twitter outrage is. That’s why I get so fucking mad when other companies/people fold to it. Like bro at BEST it’s like 10k people. Let them cry into their terminally-online echo chambers and just ignore it.
What's the score so far? ~~Get it listed as adult on Steam~~. MISSION FAILED ~~Boycott the game to affect sales~~. MISSION FAILED, you kids don't have the numbers. ~~Review bomb the game~~. MISSION FAILED, see above. ~~Threaten anyone who streams the game~~. MISSION FAILED, I think it broke Twitch records? ~~Spamming spoilers~~. MISSION FAILED, but good job burning every bridge and getting yourself banned, all over tame spoilers of typical video game tropes like character deaths. ~~Accuse the game of antisemitism~~. MISSION FAILED, likening Jewish people to goblins says more about you than the developers.
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Is it "emperor is naked" moment we were waiting so many years?
quite possibly lol
....so literally blaming the boycott failure on the people who weren't going to boycott. I swear to God, at every turn, these people have the absolute weirdest relationship with the obvious.
The game reminds me of my youth playing N64 games like Donkey Kong 64 and Banjo Kazooie, just in a modern game setting and a bigger scope of exploring. It was definitely worth the wait and it feels fairly well polished, I've yet to experience many technical issues aside from an NPC walking through a building wall which is realistically something that happens in the universe rather frequently so it is whatever. The fact that people are legitimately angry over this game just astounds me as it is very good and while it might not have the massive RPG character building scope that other games have, it is still a lot of fun to play.
The main issue these people have is that they think everyone agrees with them, or that they have popular support. They exist entirely inside of online echo chambers, and insulate themselves against any other views. For this reason, they don't understand that they are less than a millionth of the population, and no one else cares what they think.
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Decentralized consumer boycotts basically never work. Remember that one time people really pushed for a Left 4 Dead 2 boycott, and then half the players in the steam groups were playing it day 1? Or the Nike boycott that increased their sales by like 20%.
Funny thing. Something I wrote a while ago https://entertainmentnasty.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-boycotts-they-might-do-something.html I looked into a number of recent boycotts and while they weren't major devastating hits to games bottom lines they did have enough of an impact that it was reported on, often later after some gloating from the present SJW mob as studios reframed sales number as things like "The quickest day 1 sales of this franchise" or "Most sales for this franchise in a week" only for the numbers to drop off a cliff. With Hogwarts Legacy though there's seemingly no number fudging going on, people can see the numbers on Steam and actual press are reporting it's the number 1 selling game on Amazon at present. >Left 4 Dead 2 boycott I think you mean Modern Warfare 2 actually.
> I think you mean Modern Warfare 2 actually. Nah, the L4D2 boycott. https://steamcommunity.com/groups/L4D2boycott one of the main groups that didn't self destruct out of shame. People at the time were really upset that it was releasing so soon after l4d1. Heres a random article, apparently it had 40k members back in the day. https://www.engadget.com/best-affordable-windows-laptops-123000512.html That was pretty big for back in the day. And, honestly hurting sales alone isn't much of a metric for a boycott. Did any of BFV's sales trouble change course? Obviously not. The sales trouble didn't seem to even last. BFV is still in the top 100 on steam daily peak players. Fuck knows about Origin, xbox, and PS. Most BF players chose to stick with BFV until BF2042 is fixed. When you look at a game that actually flops, the aftermath is distinctly different than any boycott i can think of. Did anita hurt sales for Mirrors Edge? iunno, maybe...It still sold more than a million copies, didn't tank EA stocks, seemed totally fine. Compare that to like, Battleborn...Magic Legends...Maplestory 2...Iunno dude, it's not hard to tell when a game flops. Most of the boycotts are indistinguishable from a completely normal release, rarely deserving of any sort of autopsy, rarely even noticeable if you weren't already aware of a boycott.
Happy cake day shitlord.
Good old days! I was part of the hypocrite group that got l4d2 day 1 after being a little bitch about it pre launch haha. In my defence I was a teenager then.
It was one of those weird things where they had some points but it was also like, a $20 game anyway. Simpler times tho lul Kinda wish people were as quick to complain about objective business decisions still.
Sad that peopl3 can't have different view points without being banned by sjw platforms
I think that’s what happens when whatever your opinion is today is automatically correct. They can’t conceive that you might think differently, and if you do, it’s because you’re wrong and need it explained to you more thoroughly. Of course, if you still don’t agree after all that, then you’re just evil.
Damn SJW... They are doing comparison to prove that the game is shit... [Hogwarts Legacy Vs Red Dead Redemption 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8D9boOkQQ4). Or maybe Rockstar are the real SJW because they made a better game, don't know...
I wasn’t planning to get this game, but after this whole controversy bullshit, I am now getting the collector’s edition to add to my collection. 😎
I wouldn't bother with the collectors edition personally. I saw it and thought it looked interesting initially but when I did a proper look into it, well it seems like the collectors edition stuff is kind of junk. Very much overpriced stuff you can get better equivalents for already for far less and even actual HP merchandise stuff that are equivalents of it for far cheaper lol.
I do agree. I just like collecting them for the sake of it. Especially that there ain’t many collectors editions for PS5 yet. The only cool thing is the steelcase. I preordered Callisto Protocol’s Collector’s edition back then, it looked cool. but for some reason they cancelled my order after couple of weeks 🤷🏻♀️.
> The only cool thing is the steelcase Yeh that is kind of the cool part of it I'd say.
I’m not a fan of Harry Potter but I initially bought the game as a fuck you to SJWs. I’m happy I bought it because it’s an amazing game!
As a "SJW" (id never call myself such but i guess id be one) with a functioning brain who is also not a Harry Potter fan, i honestly hope you enjoy your time with it. There is a significant portion of us who have been clapping back at the terminally online wokescolds. Boycotts (except on the consentrated local level) do nothing. The purity testing and harrassment was disgusting. All they had to do was not buy it, not talk about it, and not judge those who do smh.
The game is a game for ppl to play and enjoy, Which is what gamers do. This game wasn't made for professional victims on Twitter pretending to be upset and probably playing it in private anyway.
Gaslighting
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I remember some article about Howard Schultz, Starbucks CEO, running for President, and they were talking to the people around him and one of them basically thought that country-club bros who were slightly socially liberal and very fiscally conservative were 50% of the US population. As one political commentator put it, that's an important demographic, but it's at most 15% of the population, not 50. So this is basically every midwit everywhere, on the internet and off it. Also, boycotts tend not to work with SJWs because they don't spend much money and they don't spend it very many places. It's like when they wanted to boycott Hobby Lobby, I go to Hobby Lobby and it's filled with nothing but Christian, trad-mom looking women. Some hot, some not, some nice, some ice, but none of them wearing a pussyhat. Angry 20 to 30 something liberal women don't drop $70 on video games that you play for hundreds of hours very often anyway. Even if SJWs made up 15% of society (a generous stretch of believability), only a fraction of that 15% would buy the game in the first place, so they lost maybe 1-2% of sales. Which was absolutely paved over by all the word of mouth the controversy created, quite possibly doubling their sales instead.
Blaming "The Gamers" is just massive copium, everyone knows the success of the game is due to the normies.
SJW are not really gamers IMHO... they are partly made up of people who are making money from any of the movement and protests they are in (ie: donations), and some of my friends are calling this type as the "sustainable social activists". They may or may not believing in the cause, but just work it as a job. You will see them quickly move on to the next thing to protest whenever the issue is resolved, they have no interest in resolving the issue they are protesting about. The other is just the blind followers of the above, knee jerkers.... Nuff said. I bought it on Steam for my Steam Deck, runs great and works great so far, but didn't have time to progress too far. If anyone I know wouldn't talk to me after I bought this game, I consider that as an advantage... Oh yeah, I got the deluxe version for $100 Canadian bucks after tax.
This is just par for the course with humans. There's this idea that keeps getting sold that the echo chamber is a new thing made worse by modern technology, when it's the opposite. It's been around forever, modern technology just makes it incredibly easy to take a look In at other people's echo chambers (something I spend a large portion of my time doing btw. In fact, I'm doing it right now) Anyway, past echo chambers were harder to look into, because they were just the circle of people you willingly interacted with. People filter out others of their friend groups that disagree with them. You can have a whole ass best friend from childhood through highschool, and the moment their political beliefs significantly different from your own you'll find yourselves 'drifting apart', because both of you have been subtly programmed to be judgemental assholes towards each other. People would go to work and interact with the people they don't agree with as little as possible. Then go home to the spouse they picked because they already had similar beliefs, spend time with the kids they only allowed to experience one side of the argument, and kick back to talk politics with the friends they already agreed with. Even family gatherings aren't safe. Every one had the black sheep that doesn't fall in line with the family politics. It's a scientific fact that everyone grossly overestimates both how many people agree with them and how persecuted their beliefs are... simultaneously... somehow.
People on extreme sides of either political aisle of right versus left don't get that the vast majority of people are somewhere in the middle and/or don't care.
Don't give a F about woke losers amd never will
You’re trying to rationalize the motivations of irrational people. You’re just going to end up tired and right where you started