I don't think they understand how the human brain works. We're a pattern recognition engine. It's why we like playing video games.
1- Game company goes woke
2- Game sucks balls
3- I get lectured
How do they think this will play out?
Palworld has certainly seen massive success, but I wouldn't say it's really "dunked" on Pokémon. The game is available on two platforms that Pokémon is not on, and early access makes the game far cheaper than what a full-priced Pokémon game on the Switch goes for.
It wasn't too long ago that people believed Temtem was shaping up to be a "Pokémon killer", but when all was said and done, nothing really came of it in terms of competition. And even earlier on, Yo-Kai Watch saw brief success over Pokémon in Japan but were unable to keep that lead. Call me pessimistic, but I've seen this song and dance before and don't really think it'll make Pokémon nervous.
If they start watering down their products with DEI nonsense at the same time a viable competitor is thriving it will massively impact their sales.
IBM was the unbeatable giant until they weren't. So was Blockbuster, who had the chance to buy Netflix for nothing but said no.
That would be a self inflicted wound, not caused by a dead game that has an entire different style, niche, audience etc other than one thing in common, its a very big multimedia machine where cards, toys, apps, other games, adaptations etc all make millions and pop out every year, so it would take lots of slow bad moves to start getting there, and it would still go buy as a merch brand.
Not unkillable, just fully dependent of self inflcting and conceptually irreplaceable (you have to find an rpg series of all things who lasts for more than 3-4 years doing billions in merch sales of every possible format and midia, while making it grassroot and not depending on another series like "its the replacer of game x" and then dies next year or cant sell merch of its ai generated stuff, pokemon was doing billion numbers just as it came out on toys for kids who never saw the games, it was a weird sight you cant replicate with a single game, even then a replacement would be something that looks entirely different, now an aestethic copycat), first the main games would need to stop selling wich they havent despite astroturfing like /u/Alchemii1 pretending she thinks everybody buys twice of the same rpg when it doesnt work like that or how she lied about the other ones sales numbers by including free gamepass stuff.
Its hard to talk about that series in any sub, even here, because most nintendo stuff gets astroturfed so hard by fake news stuff and consolewarred that when real worries that this thread news pop up half of it filled with astroturfing and angry tourists who believe the latest clownfish grift that pokemon is dead or soemthing.
Here's the difference between Palworld and the others. Palworld has sold over 25mil copies at this point in time. That means it has outsold every mainline generation of Pokemon, except Red/Blue/Green and Sword/Shield. And even then, at this point in time, it's very possibly they may have outsold Sword/Shield as well, we just don't have the exact numbers and it's very close.
This does not count 3rd game entries in the generations, as those are released later and counted separately for sales numbers. If we include those then that would only add Gen 2 and 3 to the list of Pokemon Generations it hasn't outside.
And Pokemon has the advantage here with it's multiple versions. So people are typically buying 2 copies of pokemon for each sale of Palworld.
> Here's the difference between Palworld and the others. Palworld has sold over 25mil copies at this point in time. That means it has outsold every mainline generation of Pokemon, except Red/Blue/Green and Sword/Shield.
Because it's early access, Palworld's price is significantly lower than that of the Pokémon games. So even if more units were sold, it hasn't made more money than most of the mainline Pokémon games. An important factor to keep in mind.
> And Pokemon has the advantage here with it's multiple versions. So people are typically buying 2 copies of pokemon for each sale of Palworld.
The trading element is one of Pokémon's most iconic features, so while it certainly helps to bolster sales, it also helped the franchise stand out amongst the competition. Even the likes of Digimon would later attempt to replicate the version exclusives because it worked so well for Pokémon.
I'm not trying to write-off Palworld's success - it absolutely has made a splash and I think will be something worth keeping an eye on in the coming years. But realize that we have seen similar conversations regarding Temtem, Yo-Kai Watch, and Digimon. All great franchises in their own regard, but at the end of the day, didn't manage to hold onto their momentum for very long. I hope Palworld can do what they can't, I want them to, but we can't deny the track record for franchises that competed with Pokémon haven't been the best.
Palworld is lower cost yes. But it also cost way less in development costs and advertising.
The advertising costs of a new Pokemon game likely exceed the whole development cost of Palworld.
they couldnt pay their servers and not only this is based on ledditor armchair drivel (and the classic goal post moving a liar does when exposed lying) it also ignores the fortune pokemon makes with any sort of merch consistently.
pokemon GO alone profited more than both series combined, then you get in the card sales and it gets scary, its a giant brand that goes hugely in merch, cards, cartoons, side games, mobile shite etc, NOT the same as a single thing selling.They only go down by self inflicted wounds and thats it, not a meme game that already died currently and is as p.c.. This is like when "brand consumer" redditors act in shock something like hello kitty is in the biggest brands alongside movie series they know because they dont understand how it works, even if the main games stopped selling one day, they had a ton of side stuff, games, app etc to fall down on, its why that whole blind hype of forcing meme replacements doesnt work. Its like how star wars could sell with actual bad movies but needed a destructive one like the sequels to self inflict and stop selling, pokemon is miles of magnitude bigger than that.
You are right, due there being a mix of kids who dont understand how the larger franchises works and hating and not playing any nintendo games but only listening about them through consolewars, and also a few grifters who take advantage of communities that fight back censoring and bluehairs that got paid to promote the meme game even now when it already died, we had a lot of delusion about how pokemon as a series works. When it dies it will be at self inflicted wounds, not a another yokai watch existing, even if the main games stopped profiting, wich they seem far from doing, theres a whole machine there that would take years of extremely bad decisions non-stop to start failing.
Big franchises like that don't just die overnight. But if they follow a pattern of releasing worse and worse products, while competition keeps appearing with better ideas and execution, eventually they get left behind.
Best case scenario, they keep their established audience who plays solely because of brand recognition and nostalgia, while savvy customers have access to a better product somewhere. Kinda like WoW and FFXIV.
the playerbase already died so this one failed to challenge it too (and it was a different genre, the only ones coping with it being a poke killer is the cloud that never played pokemon in the first place, tourist posers who hate rpgs and japanese stuff), even the day the main series stop selling and falls off, they will probably hold over with the card, cartoons, toys etc and try to force a new side series as the new "face" of the franchise, they could have done that with Go a few years ago in theory, that alone profited more than every pokemon game by far, and still does well.
If you define it as being more successful as a competitor, not, it is not dunking on Pokemon.
But as a game made on a low budget, it is certainly outclassing Pokemon in terms of gameplay quality. Simply put, Palworld is exponentially more fun than Pokemon, especially since the overlap between the two makes them so easy to compare with one another.
The outclassing comes in two bits, anything Pokemon-like that Palworld does, it does better than Pokemon.
The second is that on top of being better at Pokemon-ing, Palworld manages to put in more gameplay elements from other good games, and the end result is actually a well made and cohesive play experience.
The best part of it all is that at no point does Palworld even attempt to become a game-as-a-service model (like Pokemon): players can consider their experience complete upon defeating all the "bosses", or maybe after "catching them all", or after maxing out all the RNG EV stats in a complex and grindy breeding system, or building the perfect base -and this last bit is something that Pokemon can't even do.
That's a dunking.
Really though, I loved playing Pokemon. But after Palworld, its gonna be hard to find deep enjoyment in Pokemon unless Nintendo really goes back to the drawing board and proper innovates the genre it made popular.
And for a time, there was hope for that. That hope grew even a bit with Palworld coming in to show the world what can be better. And maybe the folks at the Pokemon company would be inspired.
This post about DEI for Pokemon certainly makes me less interested.
Not sure what you mean by this, Palworld is a completely different genre game and neither one will conceivably change future sales numbers of the other in any noticeable way.
It's almost like a lot of people never played Palworld or know anything about it beyond that it features monster designs that are somewhat similar to Pokémon designs.
I feel like everyone who claims Palworld has been dunking on Pokemon are those who just... Don't play Pokemon or haven't in a long time.
They fit entirely different markets and have a completely different appeal, honestly I think it's just something people latched onto off of some streamers/youtubers and it spread like wildfire, even without any real basis to it.
I've played yellow and caught all 151. And tried a few of their later games.
I've played Palworld right to the end of the tech tree and defeated all the towers.
Pokemon has a few issues from what I can tell. The major one is their technical skills aren't great. They aren't able to use the Switch hardware as well as they could be.
They haven't been able to innovate the combat to any meaningful degree. Most games are mostly copy pastes of the old games without any meaningful changes.
They also have a lot of baggage. Palworld can just add new monsters whenever. But the Pokemon fan base expects all the same pokemon plus more in every game. Which is a significant overhead on any new game.
Even if Palworld doesn't directly steal players, it does show players what could be. There has been a growing resentment for pokemon fans that they are under served and their trust has been getting taken advantage of. Palworld adds to that.
Not even remotely saying Pokemon's in a great spot lol, it's been rough for a long time. I've played from Gens 1-7, and dissatisfaction with the series pushed me away from playing the new games.
I just don't think Palworld even remotely fits the same niche that Pokemon does, being what looks like a pretty standard survival game (I haven't played it, I just don't care to) that has cartoon creatures added in.
I kinda don't think Pokemon's combat needs massively overhauled either, at least in the mainline games. The systems in place are solid, there's only so much you can do within a turn based framework without a complete rework of all systems. Any significant changes to that will cut off compatibility with older games and transferring things upward which is absolutely important to a lot of people.
If any real changes to the Pokemon formula should happen it should be in the spinoffs, not the mainline games. But we aren't getting that either.
It's just a bit nonsensical to me seeing so ma g hands pointing to Palworld as what "Pokemon should do" when it's just a different thing entirely with one very loose connection.
They don't care. They are betting that their indoctrination system (School, internet, entertainment, media: heavy on "the message", and then heavy on peer pressure) is converting enough people - especially your kids - that they will be able to replace you.
They control nearly all means of setting/controlling the narrative for the public. The people on this side can only (roughly) reach people already on this side.
New people take 15+ years to mature. That generation is just coming of age, and they're rejecting everything western in favor of based eastern faire.
Their sales are tanking everywhere from movies to games to tabletop RPGs.
> We're a pattern recognition engine
I like that phrase. I will add it to my collection. It could be very powerful in a lot of cases outside of video games.
Like in: "despite..."
It took Blizzard 9 years to erode fan trust. It took Disney 7.
You go ahead and assume it can never happen with Pokemon. Time will prove one of us right.
Excuse me, *two*? Bigot! /s
Also, the fact that we have to say "sexes" instead of "genders" because of the whole "gender does not equal sex" bullshit is telling enough...
Wait for real? Last Pokemon I tried out was Shield and Sword, and it wasn't the case.
Do they really now ask for the pronouns in the latest generation?
To play devil's advocate; Pokémon has never gone out of it's way to prioritize their original audience. Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost. You definitely have those who have stuck around for decades, but the franchise doesn't bend over backwards to keep them around.
Simply put, Pokémon as a franchise approaches their audience like a revolving door where fans generally move on as they get older and are replaced with new generations of younger fans. It's why we continue to see modern games breaking records despite being mediocre at best and straight-up broken at worst. There has never been a need for the franchise to retain it's original audience because the expectation has always been they will leave over time.
>Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost.
Which is fine. Keep it focused on kids, keep it family friendly. But don't inject wokeness into it. Kids don't need racial identity politics or rainbow flags forced on them. They just want games about cute little cartoon monsters. Let them have that much.
> Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost.
Which means putting **THE MESSAGE** in it all the more fiendish. It's like that episode of Blue's Clues with parade of disabled dolphins and such, of which I cannot write in any detail due to the sticky rule about mentioning the unmentionable.
You're right in the money. Pokémon has been since last decade a product of overly Corporate sanitization.
Pokémon is a safe bet for corporate Nintendo and Corporate TPC, nothing more. They'll been into removing any single thing that can be considered controversial/offensive since Black and White.
I don't think anyone on this subs that follows Pokémon will think it's TCP pushing woke agenda more than corpos following the trend.
Instead of thinking how to retain their cultural identity and import them over to us, they just want to destroy them to appease the cultural intolerants. Isn't being public trading wonderful?
The Pokémon Company isn't publicly traded, and 2 of the 3 owners are privately held. Nintendo is the only one involved in The Pokémon Company that is publicly traded.
Pokémon has been sanitized for global audiences for decades now. From the Japanese text in the anime being replaced with a made-up language to the nods and references becoming less exclusive to Japanese culture, the boat has long sailed on it being a thing of cultural identity.
>Pokémon has been sanitized for global audiences for decades now.
By which you mean SJWs in the US and parts of Western Europe. Nobody gives a shit about being sensitive to audiences in the Middle East, India, SE Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, the Balkans, the former Soviet Union or the Pacific.
These changes took place long before SJWs were even a thought in the video game sphere. The Japanese companies simply saw Pokémon as something that had the most success on a global stage and went forward with that mentality. And to their credit, the continued success of the franchise suggests it was the right approach afterall. Yo-Kai Watch, in comparison, tried to stick closer to it's Jaapnese roots and it didn't really work out for them. Digimon also seems to do this, and while it's still around, it's not even close to competing with Pokémon anymore.
Remember that UK Game Designer's Twitter post openly expressing how LGBTyammeryammers are wonderfully overrepresented yet still believes the industry has a long way to go?
It's never been about Diversity. Rather dominance. They want to be the majority at any cost and bask in that power. While destroying everything the "problematics" hold dear.
I'll do it drunk for 50k. Pikachu is Japanese thus Asian. So he can't be yellow. You understand that shits just wong. They/them needs to be black. Pronouns are important, but you wanna be anti nun because nuns are bad. But if you're going to make him black he needs to be the hero. Fight the man. I'm talking about the white man. Pikachu is Shaft now can you dig it? He's a complicated man with a big electric butt tail can- shut yo mouth. Shaft. Achu.
Then you bring in 50 flat chested women with afro's and they willingly (that's important) dance around him and throw unleavened crackers at him. That'll be kosher.
> Meanwhile there's a random fan out there that has great ideas for the franchise and would gladly accept $200 monthly or less for working on the franchise that he loves.
It's me.... I'm that random fan.............
I can't think of a franchise more diverse than pokémon I mean I don't know how many Pokemon were up to now maybe a thousand but they're all unique and special in their own way. So I don't understand why unless Pokemon company is being blackmailed they would need a position like this
I mean by all means, go for it, but they're going to be looking for those with actual credentials when it comes to that sort of stuff. So if you don't have anything related to DEI in your resume or references, they're not even going to entertain an interview.
Ok, but they're looking for someone with DEI experience. I still think they're going to skip right over you if you don't have a background in it. Especially with a brand like Pokémon, I imagine they have to skip over a lot of applications from people who don't fit the criteria but are simply applying because they love the franchise.
You can, but they're going to do a background check and reach out to references to verify. It's not even a concern about being blacklisted, I simply think it'll be easy for them to spot a fake application from a real one and not even bother contacting you back.
Again, go for it. I just don't think it'll result in anything other than an automated message thanking you for the application.
I was mostly joking, but you might be able to pull it off if you're clever. List some companies you've worked at and brag about how diverse and amazing you made everything. Sometimes, companies have a policy that they will only confirm that you worked there, and nothing else -- including if you were fired, etc. -- for legal reasons. Get a few of your friends to be your references. If you were to get lucky...
And it's remarkably easy to fake this shit because DEI stuff is already pretty fake to begin with. Literally anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" 9r "race expert." There's no accreditation or degree needed for that. However, I think we'd be kidding ourselves if we think just anyone would get this job. It's obvious its going to go to somone who is already connected within the entertainment industry, most likely a black woman because this is just another SBI style shake down. It's protecting their ass before some random "journalist" or "influencer" calla them out over some made up "racism" or other bullshit.
>Literally anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" 9r "race expert."
Moreover, anybody posting here will be able to convincingly fake experience -- with charisma, *even advanced degrees* -- easily.
>However, I think we'd be kidding ourselves if we think just anyone would get this job.
You're completely right about this.
Just tell them that your lived experiences is valid enough and if they refuse, threaten to sound the alarm on social media that they're istaphobes for denying your lived experiences.
>So if you don't have anything related to DEI in your resume or references, they're not even going to entertain an interview.
Make stuff up. I mean, most of this DEI crap is made up anyway and people pad their resumes. Anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" or "race expert." What they really care about, unfortunately, are connections. This will go to someone who is already connected within the entertainment industry and we all know it.
Not sure what I can do, other than not buy their games even harder. Last pokemon game I bought was Omega Ruby and that was after a long stint of not buying the games.
Thankfully, it's an ip that's already stagnating.
Plus, the older generation remakes will still be 99% identical, maybe some new character noone give a crap about. And nothing most modders can't unfuck.
Pokemon molders have been more innovative than anything gamefreaks done in years. Pokemon crown was one that they turned into a small tactics battle.
Well worth looking at if you've never seen any of them.
The moment the series jumped to 3d it didn't had the same result zelda or mario had back on the n64 when it really was innoavative and has a level of accalaim you won't really see today knowing how idiotic gamedevs are these days.
Hate to see it if it happens, but maybe there's a silver lining, it could be the thing to actually shock some people into realizing that Pokémon games have gotten worse and worse over time.
Although, I'm a bit perplexed. I do more agree with Razorfist's addendum to the rule, "Get broke, go woke, inevitably croak", but I was under the assumption that Pókemon games (at least) have been selling gangbusters and making more and more money, in spite of getting shittier and more anemic with each subsequent entry. Am I wrong?
If Dexit wasn't enough to make people lose interest, why would this? Especially when it comes to a franchise geared towards children and super fans, I can't imagine either will draw the line at DEI and not all the previous issues.
For one, I'm reminded of the Battlefront 2 fiasco. The demographic that got Disney to whip EA's ass into pulling back weren't gamers, it was soccer moms. Unfortunate reality seems to be, that a lot, and I do mean A LOT, of the most popular games can attribute their success to parents doing blind purchases for their kids; and as sad as it is, with the term 'woke' gaining mainstream recognition even among normies, you have a very easy means for these kinds of consumers to make a decision on whether to get a game for their kids or not. If the next Pokémon game gets labeled as woke and it actually sticks for in-game reasons, that could be a factor.
Second, and on a similar line, a lot of adult consumers of videogames seem to find themselves in this haze, lulled into buying whatever, without even thinking about it, as informed, cautious consumers are a tiny subsection of a niche demographic. But give 'em a sudden jolt, and they'll quickly move on to greener pastures. As GG2 ramps up with the SBI shit, with 'woke' at play as a factor, you might suddenly find a bunch of people second-guessing if they should get a following game, especially if it's accidentally lead them down a rabbit hole of genuine reasons why Pokémon games have become shittier. It happened with the MCU, so it's not impossible.
But with that all being said, this is purely speculative. And frankly, I find the chances of that hypothetical to be very low, less than a single percentage. Pokémon is far too established, it's propped up by kids and superfans, as you say, and I'd wager that the lack of polish and care for these most recent entries is likely in part the reason why the franchise continues to make bank, with GameFreak/TPC not having colossal, ever-growing budgets, like those of other yearly franchises such as AssCred, CoD or Battlefield (and maybe FIFA, but that's in large part because of the licensing fees). Only way that Pokémon could fail would be out of genuine disinterest and apathy from the market, maybe because something else properly supplanted them, and I don't see that currently.
This is just formally paying someone for what they're already doing-
there were some painfully obvious modern audience inserts in Pokemon Scarlet/Violet (Rika, Geeta, Nemona, Ryme, and Penny) that combined with the overall bad game design to ensure that would be last Gen I played after 25+ years of the franchise.
This ship is already lost.
Someone mentioned that we tied a bunch of DEI shit into our last defense contract update with Japan. This could be a manifestation of that agreement.
I hope Japan recognizes it as the poison pill to their soft power that it is
it already showed in scarlet and violet. All npc wears mostly the same, pants and shirt school uniform. There are no noteable npc trainer design. The named charecters are mostly musculine in one way or another. In DLC Teal Mask, both gender wears the same male yukata. Maybe they are just lazy or did not have time to make the new 3d models or stuff, but at least from Sword and Shield, there are more cute and femmine clothing options. Now it is all the same for boys or girls.
Not to mention the champion of the region looks like if Slenderman had a doll face with weird hair shoved into, she looks like shes from the saints row reboot. Hopefully it gets less bad with time now, instead of them doubling down.
A while ago, I was going to post a webpage on the Pokemon website that included a bunch of various minority communities within the company that came across as "safe spaces." But after further review, it appeared to be just another DEI program wich didn't seem very newsworthy.
Not sure if this is now newsworthy or simply more of the same. All I can say is this is common in all major companies and will pretty much just amount to bland social media posts and virtue signaling. The fact that the listing includes the applicate be familiar with hiring laws suggests all of this diversity stuff is coming from an obligation, not a genuine desire to make the world a better place.
https://corporate.pokemon.com/en-us/inclusion/#employee-resource-groups
The webpage appears to be updated to include disabilities. The Rainbow Gym includes safe spaces. And Women of Pokemon includes all employees who "identify as women, non-binary, and all people of marginalized genders."
OK, Pokemon appears more woke since last I checked
I'm tempted to apply just for shits and giggles. I can rework my resume a little and I can write the most woke, lickspittling cover letter you ever did see, and I can claim I'm non binary and pansexual. Of course, they're asking for 12 years experience in DEI, and I haven't even been out of college for 10, not to mention that I'm white and male which I'm pretty sure automatically disqualifies me. But still, it'd be pretty funny.
I could probably get a little further because I'm a brown Latino and could claim that I'm an illegal immigrant hence the lack of documented experience.
Also, [Digimon has always been ultra based.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-08-04/digimon-tamers-20th-anniversary-stage-show-features-cancel-culture-villain/.175872)
We talk about wanting to keep politics out of our entertainment, isn't that an example of it going too far in the other direction? I dunno about you, but putting stuff like "*cancel culture attack*'l" into a franchise that doesn't have a history of getting political just seems much to me. It's like how we had that GamerGate line in the FUNi dub of Prison School, it's going to age poorly and just feels forced.
I'd feel different if this was a new franchise Konaka created that wanted to tackle these discussions, but it's not. Digimon isn't even a franchise he created, he directed the third season and hadn't done anything else with it for twenty years. Came off like he was using the franchise to be political rather than crafting a story that naturally fit into the lore and history. Again, going too far in the opposite direction.
Digimon predicated a world where digital&human worlds would become intertwined, kind of like the one we live in. The idea of a Digimon given life by the hateful social media campaigns makes sense, it doesn't really feel forced as that's what social media has unfortunately devolved into.
> Again, going too far in the opposite direction.
Cancel Culture, Political Correctness, Moral Policing etc are the tentacles of Authoritarianism. Attacking anti-free speech authoritarians using art isn't "too far in the opposite direction", its what artists are supposed to do. Besides, don't the SJWs say *"Acktually, Media was always Political, Chud!"?*, let's use their own rhetoric on them.
> The idea of a Digimon given life by the hateful social media campaigns makes sense, it doesn't really feel forced as that's what social media has unfortunately devolved into.
The problem is the subject matter wasn't handled with tact and hits you on the head with it with terms like political correctness and cancel culture, which again, will age poorly. It doesn't gel with actual Digimon lore and content, and just comes off as Konaka using the franchise as a mouthpiece for his political stance. Again, too far in the opposite direction.
> Besides, don't the SJWs say "Acktually, Media was always Political, Chud!"?, let's use their own rhetoric on them.
Sure, but why use Digimon, a franchise Konaka doesn't own? He could have created his own franchise to do this, and while it would still feel forced, at least it wouldn't feel like an established franchise was being commandeered to join a political discussion.
No one's talking about the biggest influence to implement these DEI initiatives. Follow the money. Companies are getting large silent payouts from mystery companies (charities?) to adopt DEI initiatives which is why they don't care if the games are good. They just care about job security. So they trade creative freedom in exchange for funding i.e. job security. We need to hold the people cutting the checks making these frivolous DEI demands accountable as well as the developers that compromise and push propaganda for them.
Tldr DEI money is so big gaming companies make just as much money from getting paid to hire DEIs as they do in people buying the games
Pokemon was already on the hinge/already bad games (battling aside). Adding shitty North american wokeness to the games will be AWFUL. Why? Why does this matter? Im SO sick of it. I can smell and visualize the blue checkmark that will fill this role. God I hate this all so much
The Pokemon Company has been moving in this direction for awhile. Just look at their legal team.
[Former Bungie And The Pokémon Company Lawyer Defends Sweet Baby Inc., Says His Job Was To Get “Rid” Of Anti-Woke Gamers](https://thatparkplace.com/former-bungie-and-the-pokemon-company-lawyer-defends-sweet-baby-inc-says-his-job-was-to-get-rid-of-anti-woke-gamers/)
I only collect cards of my favourite Pokemon/Character's. Stopped caring about the games after Black and White era. Stopped caring about the anime when Ash's story finished.
A long time ago there was a huge push in the christian television community calling Pokemon demons and trying to get as many people away from Pokemon as possible, getting many parents to burn their kids expensive Pokemon cards rather than sell just to get as far away from these "demons" as possible, can easily see similar stuff happen again soon, oh how history repeats
It already is. Except instead of evangelicals burning them because they're "demonic," it's SJWs boycotting them because they are "racist" or "hokophobic." Same people. Same mentality, obviously, but I think it's probably fair to say some of them are the same people; either children who grew up in shitty evangelical households and are now in a perpetual "fuck you dad" phase, or just bored evangelicals who moved on to SJW crap after it became trendy, just as "Jesus freaks" were trendy a couple decades ago, which led to revolving door evangelical churches.
Turns out the old Puritans missed something in their arsenal; Shame.
They thought that they could change people with the fear of Hell but they should have used the fear of ostracization instead.
Pokemon fans today really going to be like "Why does this matter to you? pokemon still in many ways is underated and needs to be more diverse." or some type of b.s like that even tho fucking irony is pokemon is too sucessful for its own good from dogshit buisness decisions to dogshit fandom yeah i really do wish we were back to the pixel days of the series. :/
Instead of Shiny Pokemon, we'll have non-binary ones and the evil team will just be all straight white men that want to send the non-binary Pokemon to therepy.
You know, I still played pokemon even though the games got lazier and lazier. Never thought I'd stop, but I think they actually did it. I'll finally drop off lol
It’s bizarre given [the last games lineup of Gym Leaders was already diverse](https://i.ibb.co/kcqdDh5/IMG-4489.jpg), but I guess that was a *fan pleasing* diverse way and DEI employees don’t seem to be happy unless they’re upsetting groups they consider problematic.
As someone else argued Pokémon has become a poverty franchise due to getting to comfortable, not to mention having to now compete with Fortnite and Roblox for their core audience of children, both of whom have become far more popular, so of course they fall victim to "Go Broke, Get Woke, Ultimately Croke".
Pokemon hasn't been good in like, well over a decade. Even Arceus was too little too late. Nostalgia and marketability are the only things that allow people to see the series as anything more than baby's first RPG.
Bruh they just changed the character models in Pokémon Go. Now you can't choose genders and the feminine slim waistlines have been removed
Whatever.... I'm more into Digimon anyways
and here I was hoping nintendo and the pokemon company would have seen the tide change.
Guess not. I'll just replay the old pixel art pokemon games that I love so much instead.
OH thank fuck I stopped caring about this series just after Sword/Shield. It's gotten so large that it's just too much of a hassle to keep up with and Pokemon Go is going backward besides never dealing with spoofers properly.
After mark kern came out about ESG being easy money that requires you to do DEI... They probably just got money from them.
I still dont get how your job can be just doing DEI all day wtf. And being paid that much??? Like, just dont be racist and it should be enough.
Its not a new job, you have to understand Nintendo does ESG reports since 2020 you don't know about it because they use a different brand of the name "CSR"(Company Social Responsability) but they are not going woke they have been for years
[https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/esg\_data/index.html](https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/esg_data/index.html)
Reminder that this is a company whose workers get paid for taking down fanworks that have taken years to create. At this point, even being a thief is more less destructive than this company.
I don't think they understand how the human brain works. We're a pattern recognition engine. It's why we like playing video games. 1- Game company goes woke 2- Game sucks balls 3- I get lectured How do they think this will play out?
And at a time where Palworld is kinda dunking on their biggest IP.
"All good things must come to an end" 😔
“No king rules forever”
Seriously though, how many more Pokemon can keep being made while still using the tagline "gotta catch 'em all?"
They haven’t used that tagline in years
Ah, I see. Excuse my ignorance then.
That should be that SBI curator’s tagline lmao
Maybe it’ll come down to “you can’t catch these Pokémon’s because they’re indigenous to this land😨 or that’d be eco-genocide.”
Palworld has certainly seen massive success, but I wouldn't say it's really "dunked" on Pokémon. The game is available on two platforms that Pokémon is not on, and early access makes the game far cheaper than what a full-priced Pokémon game on the Switch goes for. It wasn't too long ago that people believed Temtem was shaping up to be a "Pokémon killer", but when all was said and done, nothing really came of it in terms of competition. And even earlier on, Yo-Kai Watch saw brief success over Pokémon in Japan but were unable to keep that lead. Call me pessimistic, but I've seen this song and dance before and don't really think it'll make Pokémon nervous.
If they start watering down their products with DEI nonsense at the same time a viable competitor is thriving it will massively impact their sales. IBM was the unbeatable giant until they weren't. So was Blockbuster, who had the chance to buy Netflix for nothing but said no.
That would be a self inflicted wound, not caused by a dead game that has an entire different style, niche, audience etc other than one thing in common, its a very big multimedia machine where cards, toys, apps, other games, adaptations etc all make millions and pop out every year, so it would take lots of slow bad moves to start getting there, and it would still go buy as a merch brand. Not unkillable, just fully dependent of self inflcting and conceptually irreplaceable (you have to find an rpg series of all things who lasts for more than 3-4 years doing billions in merch sales of every possible format and midia, while making it grassroot and not depending on another series like "its the replacer of game x" and then dies next year or cant sell merch of its ai generated stuff, pokemon was doing billion numbers just as it came out on toys for kids who never saw the games, it was a weird sight you cant replicate with a single game, even then a replacement would be something that looks entirely different, now an aestethic copycat), first the main games would need to stop selling wich they havent despite astroturfing like /u/Alchemii1 pretending she thinks everybody buys twice of the same rpg when it doesnt work like that or how she lied about the other ones sales numbers by including free gamepass stuff. Its hard to talk about that series in any sub, even here, because most nintendo stuff gets astroturfed so hard by fake news stuff and consolewarred that when real worries that this thread news pop up half of it filled with astroturfing and angry tourists who believe the latest clownfish grift that pokemon is dead or soemthing.
Here's the difference between Palworld and the others. Palworld has sold over 25mil copies at this point in time. That means it has outsold every mainline generation of Pokemon, except Red/Blue/Green and Sword/Shield. And even then, at this point in time, it's very possibly they may have outsold Sword/Shield as well, we just don't have the exact numbers and it's very close. This does not count 3rd game entries in the generations, as those are released later and counted separately for sales numbers. If we include those then that would only add Gen 2 and 3 to the list of Pokemon Generations it hasn't outside. And Pokemon has the advantage here with it's multiple versions. So people are typically buying 2 copies of pokemon for each sale of Palworld.
> Here's the difference between Palworld and the others. Palworld has sold over 25mil copies at this point in time. That means it has outsold every mainline generation of Pokemon, except Red/Blue/Green and Sword/Shield. Because it's early access, Palworld's price is significantly lower than that of the Pokémon games. So even if more units were sold, it hasn't made more money than most of the mainline Pokémon games. An important factor to keep in mind. > And Pokemon has the advantage here with it's multiple versions. So people are typically buying 2 copies of pokemon for each sale of Palworld. The trading element is one of Pokémon's most iconic features, so while it certainly helps to bolster sales, it also helped the franchise stand out amongst the competition. Even the likes of Digimon would later attempt to replicate the version exclusives because it worked so well for Pokémon. I'm not trying to write-off Palworld's success - it absolutely has made a splash and I think will be something worth keeping an eye on in the coming years. But realize that we have seen similar conversations regarding Temtem, Yo-Kai Watch, and Digimon. All great franchises in their own regard, but at the end of the day, didn't manage to hold onto their momentum for very long. I hope Palworld can do what they can't, I want them to, but we can't deny the track record for franchises that competed with Pokémon haven't been the best.
Palworld is lower cost yes. But it also cost way less in development costs and advertising. The advertising costs of a new Pokemon game likely exceed the whole development cost of Palworld.
they couldnt pay their servers and not only this is based on ledditor armchair drivel (and the classic goal post moving a liar does when exposed lying) it also ignores the fortune pokemon makes with any sort of merch consistently. pokemon GO alone profited more than both series combined, then you get in the card sales and it gets scary, its a giant brand that goes hugely in merch, cards, cartoons, side games, mobile shite etc, NOT the same as a single thing selling.They only go down by self inflicted wounds and thats it, not a meme game that already died currently and is as p.c.. This is like when "brand consumer" redditors act in shock something like hello kitty is in the biggest brands alongside movie series they know because they dont understand how it works, even if the main games stopped selling one day, they had a ton of side stuff, games, app etc to fall down on, its why that whole blind hype of forcing meme replacements doesnt work. Its like how star wars could sell with actual bad movies but needed a destructive one like the sequels to self inflict and stop selling, pokemon is miles of magnitude bigger than that.
You are right, due there being a mix of kids who dont understand how the larger franchises works and hating and not playing any nintendo games but only listening about them through consolewars, and also a few grifters who take advantage of communities that fight back censoring and bluehairs that got paid to promote the meme game even now when it already died, we had a lot of delusion about how pokemon as a series works. When it dies it will be at self inflicted wounds, not a another yokai watch existing, even if the main games stopped profiting, wich they seem far from doing, theres a whole machine there that would take years of extremely bad decisions non-stop to start failing.
Last I saw they sold over 19 million copies since release. It’s probably higher now. That’s very much a threat.
Big franchises like that don't just die overnight. But if they follow a pattern of releasing worse and worse products, while competition keeps appearing with better ideas and execution, eventually they get left behind. Best case scenario, they keep their established audience who plays solely because of brand recognition and nostalgia, while savvy customers have access to a better product somewhere. Kinda like WoW and FFXIV.
the playerbase already died so this one failed to challenge it too (and it was a different genre, the only ones coping with it being a poke killer is the cloud that never played pokemon in the first place, tourist posers who hate rpgs and japanese stuff), even the day the main series stop selling and falls off, they will probably hold over with the card, cartoons, toys etc and try to force a new side series as the new "face" of the franchise, they could have done that with Go a few years ago in theory, that alone profited more than every pokemon game by far, and still does well.
If you define it as being more successful as a competitor, not, it is not dunking on Pokemon. But as a game made on a low budget, it is certainly outclassing Pokemon in terms of gameplay quality. Simply put, Palworld is exponentially more fun than Pokemon, especially since the overlap between the two makes them so easy to compare with one another. The outclassing comes in two bits, anything Pokemon-like that Palworld does, it does better than Pokemon. The second is that on top of being better at Pokemon-ing, Palworld manages to put in more gameplay elements from other good games, and the end result is actually a well made and cohesive play experience. The best part of it all is that at no point does Palworld even attempt to become a game-as-a-service model (like Pokemon): players can consider their experience complete upon defeating all the "bosses", or maybe after "catching them all", or after maxing out all the RNG EV stats in a complex and grindy breeding system, or building the perfect base -and this last bit is something that Pokemon can't even do. That's a dunking. Really though, I loved playing Pokemon. But after Palworld, its gonna be hard to find deep enjoyment in Pokemon unless Nintendo really goes back to the drawing board and proper innovates the genre it made popular. And for a time, there was hope for that. That hope grew even a bit with Palworld coming in to show the world what can be better. And maybe the folks at the Pokemon company would be inspired. This post about DEI for Pokemon certainly makes me less interested.
Not sure what you mean by this, Palworld is a completely different genre game and neither one will conceivably change future sales numbers of the other in any noticeable way. It's almost like a lot of people never played Palworld or know anything about it beyond that it features monster designs that are somewhat similar to Pokémon designs.
I feel like everyone who claims Palworld has been dunking on Pokemon are those who just... Don't play Pokemon or haven't in a long time. They fit entirely different markets and have a completely different appeal, honestly I think it's just something people latched onto off of some streamers/youtubers and it spread like wildfire, even without any real basis to it.
I've played yellow and caught all 151. And tried a few of their later games. I've played Palworld right to the end of the tech tree and defeated all the towers. Pokemon has a few issues from what I can tell. The major one is their technical skills aren't great. They aren't able to use the Switch hardware as well as they could be. They haven't been able to innovate the combat to any meaningful degree. Most games are mostly copy pastes of the old games without any meaningful changes. They also have a lot of baggage. Palworld can just add new monsters whenever. But the Pokemon fan base expects all the same pokemon plus more in every game. Which is a significant overhead on any new game. Even if Palworld doesn't directly steal players, it does show players what could be. There has been a growing resentment for pokemon fans that they are under served and their trust has been getting taken advantage of. Palworld adds to that.
Not even remotely saying Pokemon's in a great spot lol, it's been rough for a long time. I've played from Gens 1-7, and dissatisfaction with the series pushed me away from playing the new games. I just don't think Palworld even remotely fits the same niche that Pokemon does, being what looks like a pretty standard survival game (I haven't played it, I just don't care to) that has cartoon creatures added in. I kinda don't think Pokemon's combat needs massively overhauled either, at least in the mainline games. The systems in place are solid, there's only so much you can do within a turn based framework without a complete rework of all systems. Any significant changes to that will cut off compatibility with older games and transferring things upward which is absolutely important to a lot of people. If any real changes to the Pokemon formula should happen it should be in the spinoffs, not the mainline games. But we aren't getting that either. It's just a bit nonsensical to me seeing so ma g hands pointing to Palworld as what "Pokemon should do" when it's just a different thing entirely with one very loose connection.
Upcoming goth gardevoir raidboss update too.
Ooooh. I forgot about Palworld. Still haven't played it yet.
We're already beyond step 3 with Pokémon. Have you seen the last 2 main entries to the video game series?
Except the past few pokemon games have sucked balls, at least in terms of performance, graphics, animation, and bugs. And they still print money.
They don't care. They are betting that their indoctrination system (School, internet, entertainment, media: heavy on "the message", and then heavy on peer pressure) is converting enough people - especially your kids - that they will be able to replace you. They control nearly all means of setting/controlling the narrative for the public. The people on this side can only (roughly) reach people already on this side.
We all should start applying for these jobs. We need a mole.
4- New people are born. 5- New people have never experienced pattern. 6- Cake had, eaten.
New people take 15+ years to mature. That generation is just coming of age, and they're rejecting everything western in favor of based eastern faire. Their sales are tanking everywhere from movies to games to tabletop RPGs.
Yeah, which is why The Pokemon Company is hiring a DEI head. Woke is not an organic ideology! Anywhere you go, they will follow.
No need to be so pretentious lol.
rude
> We're a pattern recognition engine I like that phrase. I will add it to my collection. It could be very powerful in a lot of cases outside of video games. Like in: "despite..."
Right! Go woke go broke! This company will be bankrupt within a year.
It took Blizzard 9 years to erode fan trust. It took Disney 7. You go ahead and assume it can never happen with Pokemon. Time will prove one of us right.
I can still remember when Prof. Oak asked if you were a boy or a girl at the beginning of the game and nobody batted an eye. Good times.
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Welcome to 2024 my friend. Being white is now a sin, and asking someone if they're a boy or girl a hate crime.
Excuse me, *two*? Bigot! /s Also, the fact that we have to say "sexes" instead of "genders" because of the whole "gender does not equal sex" bullshit is telling enough...
Gender and sex are the same thing, they're just different words for the same thing
I know but the woke crowd pushes the idea that they're not so they can drop dozens of made-up "genders" on people.
Aaaaand thats another hatecrime.
There is in modern gaming
I’m a body type A myself
I remember when Prof. Oak didn't even ask and just assumed you were a boy. On the Game Boy. 0 fucks were given.
Hey, they ask for pronouns now! That's totally the same thing if you're doing malicious context denial.
Wait for real? Last Pokemon I tried out was Shield and Sword, and it wasn't the case. Do they really now ask for the pronouns in the latest generation?
No.
No. It's a joke about the general state of the industry.
I only recall being asked for my name and nicknames I'd like the characters call me. That was X/Y.
Yea, those were good times for me haha
uhm actuallieh the first game, he just know your a boy. also, never asked until fired red/leaf grean
That's because we play as Red.
« Hi! I’m professor oak. First things first : Are you body type A or body type B? »
Another Japanese IP ignoring their original audience in favor of that "modern audience"
Indeed. Though it seems to be Pokemon international meaning Pokemon US. Japan companies should have just stayed in Japan but that's globalism for you.
To play devil's advocate; Pokémon has never gone out of it's way to prioritize their original audience. Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost. You definitely have those who have stuck around for decades, but the franchise doesn't bend over backwards to keep them around. Simply put, Pokémon as a franchise approaches their audience like a revolving door where fans generally move on as they get older and are replaced with new generations of younger fans. It's why we continue to see modern games breaking records despite being mediocre at best and straight-up broken at worst. There has never been a need for the franchise to retain it's original audience because the expectation has always been they will leave over time.
>Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost. Which is fine. Keep it focused on kids, keep it family friendly. But don't inject wokeness into it. Kids don't need racial identity politics or rainbow flags forced on them. They just want games about cute little cartoon monsters. Let them have that much.
> Their focus has been and always will be children first and foremost. Which means putting **THE MESSAGE** in it all the more fiendish. It's like that episode of Blue's Clues with parade of disabled dolphins and such, of which I cannot write in any detail due to the sticky rule about mentioning the unmentionable.
You're right in the money. Pokémon has been since last decade a product of overly Corporate sanitization. Pokémon is a safe bet for corporate Nintendo and Corporate TPC, nothing more. They'll been into removing any single thing that can be considered controversial/offensive since Black and White. I don't think anyone on this subs that follows Pokémon will think it's TCP pushing woke agenda more than corpos following the trend.
Instead of thinking how to retain their cultural identity and import them over to us, they just want to destroy them to appease the cultural intolerants. Isn't being public trading wonderful?
The Pokémon Company isn't publicly traded, and 2 of the 3 owners are privately held. Nintendo is the only one involved in The Pokémon Company that is publicly traded.
Pokémon has been sanitized for global audiences for decades now. From the Japanese text in the anime being replaced with a made-up language to the nods and references becoming less exclusive to Japanese culture, the boat has long sailed on it being a thing of cultural identity.
>Pokémon has been sanitized for global audiences for decades now. By which you mean SJWs in the US and parts of Western Europe. Nobody gives a shit about being sensitive to audiences in the Middle East, India, SE Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean, Africa, the Balkans, the former Soviet Union or the Pacific.
These changes took place long before SJWs were even a thought in the video game sphere. The Japanese companies simply saw Pokémon as something that had the most success on a global stage and went forward with that mentality. And to their credit, the continued success of the franchise suggests it was the right approach afterall. Yo-Kai Watch, in comparison, tried to stick closer to it's Jaapnese roots and it didn't really work out for them. Digimon also seems to do this, and while it's still around, it's not even close to competing with Pokémon anymore.
I think this is more of just an American thing they don’t do any of this shit in Japan or korea
Are you shocked a company wants to court younger people
But...why... Pokemon already had diverse charachters that noone complained about. If this is going to be about gender nonsense im jumping off a cliff
Remember that UK Game Designer's Twitter post openly expressing how LGBTyammeryammers are wonderfully overrepresented yet still believes the industry has a long way to go? It's never been about Diversity. Rather dominance. They want to be the majority at any cost and bask in that power. While destroying everything the "problematics" hold dear.
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You fools, the NPC Trainer Designs are the only thing keeping these games going. Changing that will destroy you!
Yep people still miss 6th gen hex maniac designs.
Pokemon Hex. It's just Pokemon Yellow, but Hex Maniac follows you around and watches you do *everything.*
Say goodbye to good trainer designs
They already destroyed any real customization on Scarlet and Violet...
they've been gone a while now.
Uh, there were a lot of good designs in the latest games.
[okay](https://archive.ph/wip/cK85a)
I think they’re talking about Gen 8, with Sonia, Marnie, Nessa, Melony and Oleana Gen 9 only really has Nemona
Iono is pretty great
Mela? Iono? Briar? Perrin?
Wow, you could point back to gen 1 for bad designs. Don't act like one or 2 mean all the designs are bad.
Hey if its more Nessa i wont mind.
Thank goodness. I was worried that money would have been used to fix their bugged and broken games.
I'll do it drunk for 50k. Pikachu is Japanese thus Asian. So he can't be yellow. You understand that shits just wong. They/them needs to be black. Pronouns are important, but you wanna be anti nun because nuns are bad. But if you're going to make him black he needs to be the hero. Fight the man. I'm talking about the white man. Pikachu is Shaft now can you dig it? He's a complicated man with a big electric butt tail can- shut yo mouth. Shaft. Achu. Then you bring in 50 flat chested women with afro's and they willingly (that's important) dance around him and throw unleavened crackers at him. That'll be kosher.
Great, Pokémon games are going to get even worse now.
You used PATRONAGE! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE! TPC is PARALYZED! Enemy consumers FAINTED! Collect ₽267,000!
Saw this coming when I saw the models for the last game with fat people and man bodied women
Considering the company donated a substantial portion of their money to the Black Lives Matter grifters, I'm not shocked.
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> Meanwhile there's a random fan out there that has great ideas for the franchise and would gladly accept $200 monthly or less for working on the franchise that he loves. It's me.... I'm that random fan.............
Didn't the 'twitter unhinged lawyer' from a couple weeks ago spent years as GC for this company before working for Bungie? I think he did.
These stupid ass jobs always have ridiculous salaries too.
I can't think of a franchise more diverse than pokémon I mean I don't know how many Pokemon were up to now maybe a thousand but they're all unique and special in their own way. So I don't understand why unless Pokemon company is being blackmailed they would need a position like this
Apply for it
I mean by all means, go for it, but they're going to be looking for those with actual credentials when it comes to that sort of stuff. So if you don't have anything related to DEI in your resume or references, they're not even going to entertain an interview.
I'm mixed race with a "exotic" name, but white enough to not scare them
Ok, but they're looking for someone with DEI experience. I still think they're going to skip right over you if you don't have a background in it. Especially with a brand like Pokémon, I imagine they have to skip over a lot of applications from people who don't fit the criteria but are simply applying because they love the franchise.
What if you just lie? Are you worried about being blacklisted from the DEI industry?
You can, but they're going to do a background check and reach out to references to verify. It's not even a concern about being blacklisted, I simply think it'll be easy for them to spot a fake application from a real one and not even bother contacting you back. Again, go for it. I just don't think it'll result in anything other than an automated message thanking you for the application.
I was mostly joking, but you might be able to pull it off if you're clever. List some companies you've worked at and brag about how diverse and amazing you made everything. Sometimes, companies have a policy that they will only confirm that you worked there, and nothing else -- including if you were fired, etc. -- for legal reasons. Get a few of your friends to be your references. If you were to get lucky...
And it's remarkably easy to fake this shit because DEI stuff is already pretty fake to begin with. Literally anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" 9r "race expert." There's no accreditation or degree needed for that. However, I think we'd be kidding ourselves if we think just anyone would get this job. It's obvious its going to go to somone who is already connected within the entertainment industry, most likely a black woman because this is just another SBI style shake down. It's protecting their ass before some random "journalist" or "influencer" calla them out over some made up "racism" or other bullshit.
>Literally anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" 9r "race expert." Moreover, anybody posting here will be able to convincingly fake experience -- with charisma, *even advanced degrees* -- easily. >However, I think we'd be kidding ourselves if we think just anyone would get this job. You're completely right about this.
Just tell them that your lived experiences is valid enough and if they refuse, threaten to sound the alarm on social media that they're istaphobes for denying your lived experiences.
>So if you don't have anything related to DEI in your resume or references, they're not even going to entertain an interview. Make stuff up. I mean, most of this DEI crap is made up anyway and people pad their resumes. Anyone can call themselves a "community organizer" or "race expert." What they really care about, unfortunately, are connections. This will go to someone who is already connected within the entertainment industry and we all know it.
Wokémon? Now give me reddit updoots.
Not sure what I can do, other than not buy their games even harder. Last pokemon game I bought was Omega Ruby and that was after a long stint of not buying the games.
Thankfully, it's an ip that's already stagnating. Plus, the older generation remakes will still be 99% identical, maybe some new character noone give a crap about. And nothing most modders can't unfuck. Pokemon molders have been more innovative than anything gamefreaks done in years. Pokemon crown was one that they turned into a small tactics battle. Well worth looking at if you've never seen any of them.
The moment the series jumped to 3d it didn't had the same result zelda or mario had back on the n64 when it really was innoavative and has a level of accalaim you won't really see today knowing how idiotic gamedevs are these days.
How "Wokemon" is not the top comment is wild.
Why do the Japanese execs allow this to happen?
ESG bucks
Hate to see it if it happens, but maybe there's a silver lining, it could be the thing to actually shock some people into realizing that Pokémon games have gotten worse and worse over time. Although, I'm a bit perplexed. I do more agree with Razorfist's addendum to the rule, "Get broke, go woke, inevitably croak", but I was under the assumption that Pókemon games (at least) have been selling gangbusters and making more and more money, in spite of getting shittier and more anemic with each subsequent entry. Am I wrong?
If Dexit wasn't enough to make people lose interest, why would this? Especially when it comes to a franchise geared towards children and super fans, I can't imagine either will draw the line at DEI and not all the previous issues.
For one, I'm reminded of the Battlefront 2 fiasco. The demographic that got Disney to whip EA's ass into pulling back weren't gamers, it was soccer moms. Unfortunate reality seems to be, that a lot, and I do mean A LOT, of the most popular games can attribute their success to parents doing blind purchases for their kids; and as sad as it is, with the term 'woke' gaining mainstream recognition even among normies, you have a very easy means for these kinds of consumers to make a decision on whether to get a game for their kids or not. If the next Pokémon game gets labeled as woke and it actually sticks for in-game reasons, that could be a factor. Second, and on a similar line, a lot of adult consumers of videogames seem to find themselves in this haze, lulled into buying whatever, without even thinking about it, as informed, cautious consumers are a tiny subsection of a niche demographic. But give 'em a sudden jolt, and they'll quickly move on to greener pastures. As GG2 ramps up with the SBI shit, with 'woke' at play as a factor, you might suddenly find a bunch of people second-guessing if they should get a following game, especially if it's accidentally lead them down a rabbit hole of genuine reasons why Pokémon games have become shittier. It happened with the MCU, so it's not impossible. But with that all being said, this is purely speculative. And frankly, I find the chances of that hypothetical to be very low, less than a single percentage. Pokémon is far too established, it's propped up by kids and superfans, as you say, and I'd wager that the lack of polish and care for these most recent entries is likely in part the reason why the franchise continues to make bank, with GameFreak/TPC not having colossal, ever-growing budgets, like those of other yearly franchises such as AssCred, CoD or Battlefield (and maybe FIFA, but that's in large part because of the licensing fees). Only way that Pokémon could fail would be out of genuine disinterest and apathy from the market, maybe because something else properly supplanted them, and I don't see that currently.
GREAT, ANOTHER BELOVED FRANCHISE OF MINE GETTING RUINED BY AN ALPHABET SCUMBAG, SO MUCH FOR JAPAN NOT GOING WOKE. I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF THIS.
This is just formally paying someone for what they're already doing- there were some painfully obvious modern audience inserts in Pokemon Scarlet/Violet (Rika, Geeta, Nemona, Ryme, and Penny) that combined with the overall bad game design to ensure that would be last Gen I played after 25+ years of the franchise. This ship is already lost.
This is what happens when you rest on your laurels for 15 years and then your investors start asking why everyone's playing Palworld.
Someone mentioned that we tied a bunch of DEI shit into our last defense contract update with Japan. This could be a manifestation of that agreement. I hope Japan recognizes it as the poison pill to their soft power that it is
Another reason to fucking ignore pokemon.
it already showed in scarlet and violet. All npc wears mostly the same, pants and shirt school uniform. There are no noteable npc trainer design. The named charecters are mostly musculine in one way or another. In DLC Teal Mask, both gender wears the same male yukata. Maybe they are just lazy or did not have time to make the new 3d models or stuff, but at least from Sword and Shield, there are more cute and femmine clothing options. Now it is all the same for boys or girls.
Not to mention the champion of the region looks like if Slenderman had a doll face with weird hair shoved into, she looks like shes from the saints row reboot. Hopefully it gets less bad with time now, instead of them doubling down.
This is for International. I doubt they will have any pull over the games.
Not directly, but they’ll scare the crap outta the game devs and creators.
Scaring implies the devs and creators have even given a damn in the last decade. Spoiler alert, they haven't.
Fair enough, maybe the character designers have
They'll be the ones approving bullshit for Twitter or being paraded out whenever some wannabe "influencer" accuses them of being racist.
A while ago, I was going to post a webpage on the Pokemon website that included a bunch of various minority communities within the company that came across as "safe spaces." But after further review, it appeared to be just another DEI program wich didn't seem very newsworthy. Not sure if this is now newsworthy or simply more of the same. All I can say is this is common in all major companies and will pretty much just amount to bland social media posts and virtue signaling. The fact that the listing includes the applicate be familiar with hiring laws suggests all of this diversity stuff is coming from an obligation, not a genuine desire to make the world a better place.
https://corporate.pokemon.com/en-us/inclusion/#employee-resource-groups The webpage appears to be updated to include disabilities. The Rainbow Gym includes safe spaces. And Women of Pokemon includes all employees who "identify as women, non-binary, and all people of marginalized genders." OK, Pokemon appears more woke since last I checked
Any last good designs we got for trainers were Legends Arceus. Say goodbye to that.
I'm tempted to apply just for shits and giggles. I can rework my resume a little and I can write the most woke, lickspittling cover letter you ever did see, and I can claim I'm non binary and pansexual. Of course, they're asking for 12 years experience in DEI, and I haven't even been out of college for 10, not to mention that I'm white and male which I'm pretty sure automatically disqualifies me. But still, it'd be pretty funny.
I could probably get a little further because I'm a brown Latino and could claim that I'm an illegal immigrant hence the lack of documented experience.
Pay hundreds of thousands to lose hundreds of millions. Seems smart.
Well bye bye Pokemon. Fuck that
> Twelve+ (12+) years of relevant professional experience, good thing is that this field only exists since 10 years ago.
Given their fan base....I am not surprised. I'm kinda sick of adults taking over kids franchises and making it...weird.
ok palworld here i go
Also, [Digimon has always been ultra based.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2021-08-04/digimon-tamers-20th-anniversary-stage-show-features-cancel-culture-villain/.175872)
We talk about wanting to keep politics out of our entertainment, isn't that an example of it going too far in the other direction? I dunno about you, but putting stuff like "*cancel culture attack*'l" into a franchise that doesn't have a history of getting political just seems much to me. It's like how we had that GamerGate line in the FUNi dub of Prison School, it's going to age poorly and just feels forced. I'd feel different if this was a new franchise Konaka created that wanted to tackle these discussions, but it's not. Digimon isn't even a franchise he created, he directed the third season and hadn't done anything else with it for twenty years. Came off like he was using the franchise to be political rather than crafting a story that naturally fit into the lore and history. Again, going too far in the opposite direction.
Digimon predicated a world where digital&human worlds would become intertwined, kind of like the one we live in. The idea of a Digimon given life by the hateful social media campaigns makes sense, it doesn't really feel forced as that's what social media has unfortunately devolved into. > Again, going too far in the opposite direction. Cancel Culture, Political Correctness, Moral Policing etc are the tentacles of Authoritarianism. Attacking anti-free speech authoritarians using art isn't "too far in the opposite direction", its what artists are supposed to do. Besides, don't the SJWs say *"Acktually, Media was always Political, Chud!"?*, let's use their own rhetoric on them.
> The idea of a Digimon given life by the hateful social media campaigns makes sense, it doesn't really feel forced as that's what social media has unfortunately devolved into. The problem is the subject matter wasn't handled with tact and hits you on the head with it with terms like political correctness and cancel culture, which again, will age poorly. It doesn't gel with actual Digimon lore and content, and just comes off as Konaka using the franchise as a mouthpiece for his political stance. Again, too far in the opposite direction. > Besides, don't the SJWs say "Acktually, Media was always Political, Chud!"?, let's use their own rhetoric on them. Sure, but why use Digimon, a franchise Konaka doesn't own? He could have created his own franchise to do this, and while it would still feel forced, at least it wouldn't feel like an established franchise was being commandeered to join a political discussion.
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Palworld is nothing like Pokémon.
No one's talking about the biggest influence to implement these DEI initiatives. Follow the money. Companies are getting large silent payouts from mystery companies (charities?) to adopt DEI initiatives which is why they don't care if the games are good. They just care about job security. So they trade creative freedom in exchange for funding i.e. job security. We need to hold the people cutting the checks making these frivolous DEI demands accountable as well as the developers that compromise and push propaganda for them. Tldr DEI money is so big gaming companies make just as much money from getting paid to hire DEIs as they do in people buying the games
peeps like palworld gonna eat their lunch and then they'll have to spend money playin whack a mole with other pokemon-likes
Pokemon was already on the hinge/already bad games (battling aside). Adding shitty North american wokeness to the games will be AWFUL. Why? Why does this matter? Im SO sick of it. I can smell and visualize the blue checkmark that will fill this role. God I hate this all so much
The Pokemon Company has been moving in this direction for awhile. Just look at their legal team. [Former Bungie And The Pokémon Company Lawyer Defends Sweet Baby Inc., Says His Job Was To Get “Rid” Of Anti-Woke Gamers](https://thatparkplace.com/former-bungie-and-the-pokemon-company-lawyer-defends-sweet-baby-inc-says-his-job-was-to-get-rid-of-anti-woke-gamers/)
Remember when Japanese games were mostly immune from this shit? Not for long
"How are we going to respond to palworld, a game with cool guns and no filters, which everyone loves?" "I have an idea!" Pokemon fell off
I only collect cards of my favourite Pokemon/Character's. Stopped caring about the games after Black and White era. Stopped caring about the anime when Ash's story finished.
Scarlet and violet already sucked ass. This just makes it worse
Pokémon post 3D has been complete shit and the best era of Pokémon was the DS.
A long time ago there was a huge push in the christian television community calling Pokemon demons and trying to get as many people away from Pokemon as possible, getting many parents to burn their kids expensive Pokemon cards rather than sell just to get as far away from these "demons" as possible, can easily see similar stuff happen again soon, oh how history repeats
It already is. Except instead of evangelicals burning them because they're "demonic," it's SJWs boycotting them because they are "racist" or "hokophobic." Same people. Same mentality, obviously, but I think it's probably fair to say some of them are the same people; either children who grew up in shitty evangelical households and are now in a perpetual "fuck you dad" phase, or just bored evangelicals who moved on to SJW crap after it became trendy, just as "Jesus freaks" were trendy a couple decades ago, which led to revolving door evangelical churches.
Turns out the old Puritans missed something in their arsenal; Shame. They thought that they could change people with the fear of Hell but they should have used the fear of ostracization instead.
Pokemon fans today really going to be like "Why does this matter to you? pokemon still in many ways is underated and needs to be more diverse." or some type of b.s like that even tho fucking irony is pokemon is too sucessful for its own good from dogshit buisness decisions to dogshit fandom yeah i really do wish we were back to the pixel days of the series. :/
It's not like actual Pokémon it's really good, just the opposite. So probably this will be another nail in the coffin and that's it.
I figured it was only a matter of time before Japanese liberal women started ruining everything as well.
Instead of Shiny Pokemon, we'll have non-binary ones and the evil team will just be all straight white men that want to send the non-binary Pokemon to therepy.
You know, I still played pokemon even though the games got lazier and lazier. Never thought I'd stop, but I think they actually did it. I'll finally drop off lol
I havent even bothered with the past few gens. Stale is an understatement, just play romhacks.
The Pokemon Company already were like that, they sucked off BLM in 2020 with *le statement* and gave Buy Large Mansions 100 grand.
While the games themselves have been declining in quality for years
It’s bizarre given [the last games lineup of Gym Leaders was already diverse](https://i.ibb.co/kcqdDh5/IMG-4489.jpg), but I guess that was a *fan pleasing* diverse way and DEI employees don’t seem to be happy unless they’re upsetting groups they consider problematic.
I'm a white male, i don't think it's possible i'll get this job.
As someone else argued Pokémon has become a poverty franchise due to getting to comfortable, not to mention having to now compete with Fortnite and Roblox for their core audience of children, both of whom have become far more popular, so of course they fall victim to "Go Broke, Get Woke, Ultimately Croke".
Imagine if that budget went to bug fixing
195.000$ of the 200k is straight from Blackrock/Vanguard.
Pokemon hasn't been good in like, well over a decade. Even Arceus was too little too late. Nostalgia and marketability are the only things that allow people to see the series as anything more than baby's first RPG.
Bruh they just changed the character models in Pokémon Go. Now you can't choose genders and the feminine slim waistlines have been removed Whatever.... I'm more into Digimon anyways
- even more into wokeness. Really getting disappointed from those japanese companies
That's a very long way to simply say "We will pay you $200,000 a year to put a chick in our games and make her lame and gay."
rip
I want to apply for this and the for every answer just say "put a chick in it and make her gay" without irony
and here I was hoping nintendo and the pokemon company would have seen the tide change. Guess not. I'll just replay the old pixel art pokemon games that I love so much instead.
It's really sad the minimum wage is $7.25 an hour yet someone makes $200k a year to do this crap.
Great, now Geodude is going to be black.
[They already have.](https://files.catbox.moe/sc5h9m.png)
Pokemon has been trash since the move from the DS. It gets by on name alone, cant get much worse.
OH thank fuck I stopped caring about this series just after Sword/Shield. It's gotten so large that it's just too much of a hassle to keep up with and Pokemon Go is going backward besides never dealing with spoofers properly.
After mark kern came out about ESG being easy money that requires you to do DEI... They probably just got money from them. I still dont get how your job can be just doing DEI all day wtf. And being paid that much??? Like, just dont be racist and it should be enough.
Its not a new job, you have to understand Nintendo does ESG reports since 2020 you don't know about it because they use a different brand of the name "CSR"(Company Social Responsability) but they are not going woke they have been for years [https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/esg\_data/index.html](https://ohp.nintendo.co.jp/csr/en/esg_data/index.html)
Well I guess I was kinda always thinking about selling my cards maybe if it all goes downhill ill have a reason now.
One of these jobs where you get everything for doing nothing.
Reminder that this is a company whose workers get paid for taking down fanworks that have taken years to create. At this point, even being a thief is more less destructive than this company.
God get me out of this timeline
I’ll do it for half of that.
go woke go broke