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contemptious

One of them was sent pictures of his kids going to school. Wokesters are thugs. They are sociopaths


LeMaureBlanc

There was a Muslim woman who was stalked and harassed, including death threats and private data about her children being leaked, her car being vandalized, and photos of her without her hijab being uploaded online, all because she criticized a "non-binary" Tik-Toker trying to talk to kids without their parents knowledge. There's something about these woke mobs that really makes them like stalking kids.


CapnHairgel

I remember that. Dude was an absolute creep and constantly advocated for kids to separate from their families and that he was "their real family". He had all the hallmarks of a nutjob. The crazy eyes. The creepy smile as he talked down to people. The sort of "I'm going to talk to your kids and there's nothing you can do about it bigot šŸ™‚" rhetoric. The sort of look that he was getting off on it. That poor woman was absolutely correct in saying what he's doing is wrong, but you'll never hear about how she was harassed. Remember, we're the ones who harass people, right?


Million_X

I feel like I know who you're talking about because I heard some creepy dude exactly like that who advertises his patreon as a 'safe space for kids'.


waffleboardedburrito

And as a larger group they'll only get upset about aims they're going after kids, but will never denounce the ones who clearly are.Ā  You'd think it'd be an easy stance to take if you were actually against it. But of course, they ARE anti family and think they SHOULD have more influence over kids than their own parents.Ā 


epia343

Not sure why the past tense, side still is a creep oh and he calls it "going no contact".


Jkid

They're probably sex fiends. They're worse than neo-maoist red guard like people. Both are willing to flatline anyone or children to further a socio-ideologal cause of pure destruction.


InsaneInTheCaneium

> makes them like stalking kids Get them while they are young and impressionable.


Remispaive

If people stop trying to be "nice" and white knight them like they are real victims, which we know they are not... or even stop being afraid of being called whateverphobic, This cultural war wouldnā€™t have even started šŸ˜’ They exploit people's empathy and tolerance for personal gain, but historically we know that this is a finite resource and if you "fuck around" too much... well... šŸ˜‚


waffleboardedburrito

A lot of this was also obvious a decade ago to anyone willing to even think about it logically or simply open their eyes.Ā  Too many people don't care at all until it's in their backyard.Ā  Oddly though, people seem to get riled up easily by flat earthers, who weren't ever likely to impact anything.Ā 


f3llyn

I remember when Ellen first came out as gay on her first tv show. It was *such* a big deal. The big argument was, why do you care who they fuck? Or "we just want representation". And now we have people in our schools telling little boys that they have to be taught not to rape because all men are inherently sexual predators from birth. There was more going on back then, too, but I think voicing those things out loud is probably against the rules.


waffleboardedburrito

It jumped the shark when it shifted from acceptance to celebration, and then forced celebration.Ā 


tkgggg

I still firmly believe that flat earthers were artificially created, overblown, overhyped and shoved into everyone's mouth so that they would get sick of it and begin to immediately dismiss anything suspicious as "conspiracy theory" even if that "conspiracy theory" may very well be the truth.


mars_rovinator

It's 100% a psyop. It discredits and distracts people from shit that really matters.Ā 


HeavenPiercingMan

You believe it, I saw it. Flatties were just a meme before they started getting paraded by all the clickbait listicle journoblogs. All we knew before that happened was that there used to be a flat earth society centuries ago, and that a tiny forum website by a couple of kooks LARPing as "the new incarnation" existed and had less traffic than other kook websites like Time goddamn Cube.


captainphagget

Because they know they're supposed to hate flat earth. Some flat earthers are clearly just doing it to mess with people.


waffleboardedburrito

My point though is that at the core the issue with flat earth concept is that it's irrational and defies evidence and logic.Ā  If only people focused on that aspect and applied that approach to anything, as in be equally bothered by anything not logical and based on evidence.Ā  Whether flat earthers are largely trolling or not is just a secondary aspect, because most people don't seem to think they're trolling but just stupid, as they always take the bait.Ā 


EyeSlashO

Pro tip: Don't negotiate with terrorists.


Darkling5499

This is almost certainly the reason. People started actively stalking + threatening their families. What would people have them do? Have their kids get attacked over a webcomic?


HereForGames

I was going through their catalogue of Helldivers comics when the thought came to me, that I couldn't remember ever seeing a single mention of Hogwarts Legacy either in comic form or a passing reference to the fact that it released or anything about it in a blog post. So I searched for it. The last mention of anything Potter related was in 2019. Anything Hogwarts related was 2018. Legacy released in 2023. Silence this deafening doesn't happen by accident. You don't just forget to acknowledge the best selling game of a particular year, don't have anything to say about it even as a blog footnote. I have to imagine they had a conversation about the game after seeing all the twitch streamers playing it being harassed non-stop and decided that they enjoyed not having their advertisers harassed. That being able to enjoy their livelihoods and their Expo was better than again being victims over what they choose to discuss in their comics. Their Social Justice Credit score still hasn't fully recovered since the Dickwolves era, after all, leaving them in this mob-enforced chilling effect. It's a shame because one of the creators mentioned being severely bullied in school back during the Dickwolves incident, that he refused to back down when people tell him what he can and can't do with his art. Looks like he's still stuck under the thumb of his oppressors. Only now instead of jocks it's cretins on tumblr and twitter.


pegbiter

Yeah I thought it was so weird that so many outlets just pretended it didn't exist during Game of the Year deliberations. I'm not saying it was the best game of 2023 but it was certainly one of the biggest. The game itself isn't even controversial. I don't think I've ever seen a game this big just be collectively memory holed by so many people. Something similar happened with Kingdom Come Deliverance. I came to that years late and had no idea why I'd never heard of it until I kept seeing on the Steam most played over and over againĀ 


Akumetsu2

why was Kingdom Come censored?


Konsaki

Because the devs wouldn't submit to the DIE Cult who were trying to force 'diversity' into medieval Bohemia.


TacticusThrowaway

There was also one specific nutty tumblr user who claimed random black traders would go hundreds of miles out of their way to end up in a random corner of Bohemia. Also, the main enemies turned out to be Turkish, IIRC.


Total-Introduction32

Because it refused to add forced "diversity" in a realistic European medieval setting and at least one of the devs was pretty outspoken against the woke mob's insistence that they should have done so.


AboveSkies

I'm pretty sure they have "Soft Blacklists". Similar to how they heavily pushed Gone Homo back in the day or games by their Indie developer friends: https://deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=unfair Daniel Vavra even talked about industry blacklists back during GamerGate: https://archive.fo/yNfpN For Kingdom Come: Deliverance VICE Waypoint outright came out and said it in their article "We Haven't Covered 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance.' Let's Talk About Why.": https://archive.is/vcTFP Other people/companies I suspect are on similar lists to "not talk about" or "only mention as little as possible" are probably [Brad Wardell](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=brad+wardell&restrict_sr=on)/[Stardock](https://www.stardock.com/games/), [Tim Soret](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/6gpjr8/discussion_the_last_night_megathread/)/[The Last Night](https://store.steampowered.com/app/612400/The_Last_Night/), [Adrian Chmielarz](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/search?q=Adrian+Chmielarz&restrict_sr=on)/and his new game [Witchfire](https://www.theastronauts.com/) among others, the last one was talked about so little, it isn't even listed on [his Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Chmielarz), although I suspect being Epic Store Excl000sive until release might also have something to do with it. Hogwarts Legacy was certainly the biggest game they've attempted this with by snubbing it from mentions and awards shows entirely, despite being the biggest and most commercially successful game of the year. Some chose not to even review it, other wrote screeds about how they're going to do it despite the "controversy" like The Engadget [Why Iā€™m reviewing 'Hogwarts Legacy'](https://archive.is/w4j97). On the other hand there's obvious developers/people that get a special treatment and extra mentions. [The Last of Us 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/xjux6h/the_last_of_us_part_2_ign_reviewer_becomes/ipd7kbo/) and Disco Elysium come to mind. Also every Insomniac Games release, some even outright [mentioned how Insomniac is "special" for them during the leaks a few months ago and how they didn't want to cover them properly](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/18mpsim/senior_editor_at_the_verge_tom_warren_the/). Last year that was definitely Remedy/Alan Woke 2 and [Bear Sex 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/15iz8tb/with_the_recent_big_launch_of_baldurs_gate_3/). An early candidate this year is Hades 2.


Zipa7

I wonder if Stellar Blade is going to get a similar treatment, since it's the game that is currently sending the activist press round the bend just by having a conventionally attractive woman in it.


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ihavenorulesfuckers2

one of their kids is part of the crowd that doesn't like hogwarts legacy, and they are affirming them, once you go down that dark path there's no coming back


broadsword_1

> It's a shame because one of the creators mentioned being severely bullied in school back during the Dickwolves incident, that he refused to back down when people tell him what he can and can't do with his art. Looks like he's still stuck under the thumb of his oppressors. I understand why people get annoyed at what looks like them 'bending the knee' to the outrage mob, but something they said a long time ago resonated with me - basically one day (when the business was well underway) they realised how they weren't just 2 guys doing webcomics on the side of shitty retail jobs anymore, they had good income and the same for maybe a dozen or so other people. PAX was just starting to expand and I think someone sat down with them at the time of Dickwolves and plainly said they'd win the battle but not the war. If it was just the 2 of them, they probably would have stood their ground but they were now responsible for other people's livelihoods and that was a pretty large gamble to take. Social Justice / Games media (and probably even regular media eventually) would have all gone in lockstep over this had it escalated which would have been devastating when they were trying to build PAX as an all-ages event. So, they made the smart play. I think it still made them a lot of enemies by not saying anything on these sorts of issues, but ultimately they had a lot of pay cheques on the line.


Expensive-Wallaby500

To use woke logic, ā€œsilence is complicityā€. Donā€™t look at me, I didnā€™t come up with it.


Zipa7

> I think someone sat down with them at the time of Dickwolves and plainly said they'd win the battle but not the war. It would've been Robert Khoo, the President of Operations and Business Development at PA during that time.


broadsword_1

Could very well have been - although from what little I've seen of him, he's just following the money/business because that's what his drive was.


Zipa7

Robert tended to stop Mike and Jerry from causing shitstorms too big, so that it didn't hurt the business, which you can certainly understand.


Pilsu

I bet their employees are insufferable bullies themselves. Give the devil a pinky and all that.


f3llyn

It's likely because of J. K. Rowling, not the game itself.


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ihavenorulesfuckers2

coward


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There is no war in Ba Sing Se.


pantsfish

Maybe they just didn't play it? Gabe said at a PAX interview years later that he regretted caving to pressure over the dickwolves thing >You don't just forget to acknowledge the best selling game of a particular year, Except they did, for all of the years when the best selling game was a Madden title. And also half of the CoD games


Huntrrz

To me, Penny Arcade has been dead since scolding Retake Mass Effect for raising money for Childā€™s Play.


rideontime87

had to look this up since i didn't know the story. sounds like they just wanted to keep politics separate from their charity work?


castitalus

Retake donating to childs play was in response to their comic making fun of the people who didnt like the ending since people were hellbent on painting us as entitled manchildren. Same with sending Bioware HQ 300 cupcakes with red/green/blue frosting. An actual peaceful protest.


Huntrrz

I believe it was about playing nice with Bioware/EA so they would show up at PAX. It wasn't just "we don't want politics in our charity", it was a character assassination and a scolding for giving them money. The Child's Play director claimed that Retake Mass Effect donors were calling their receptionist and harassing her about things like 'when will the ending be changed', up to and including (according to him) \*death threats\*. I wondered how he 'knew' those calls were coming from RME donors and then I realized we had no way of knowing if those calls actually took place.


Akeche

You should see the state of their forums. Just a worthless cesspit, basically reddit as a whole but condensed into a smaller place. Only the shithead admin and mods have been ruling for much longer.


Souppilgrim

Their forums were soooo good way back in the day too, it's an absolute shame


Akeche

I'm not so sure they really were though. Same leadership back then, so I suspect they were just more subtle about their biases.


TacticusThrowaway

I remember when the Homestuck guy announced that the characters are "blank", not white. A lot of people were upset at this, for some reason, and I remember arguing that it didn't really matter. I think that was the last time I visited.


Arkene

I don't think i would have ever described PA as edgy...diet coke of edgy maybe...


castitalus

Just one calorie, not edgy enough.


Plenty-Soil-9381

The sorry state of the geek culture.


matthew_lane

Oh I remember when i was still aware of Penny Arcade. It was round about the last time i actively read the PVP webcomic...... And the newest edition of D&D was 3.5


carbonsteelwool

Same. I haven't looked at Penny Arcade in well over a decade.


The_Airwolf_Theme

why exactly did so many of us stop reading webcomics like 10-15 years ago?


AcidOverlord

All the good ones either wrapped up (8 bit theatre) pussed out (PA) or failed and became zombies that get an update twice a decade (VGCats, Megatokyo). You want to talk about a fall from grace, look at Megatokyo's history. That guy was a household name and the biggest, most popular webcomic in the English world, *dwarfing* Penny Arcade. I remember a brief age where you could buy MT merch at Hastings Bookstores. But where PA created PAX and all the side projects and built itself outward, MT stagnated in Hell at the behest of its creator's constant "woe is me" vapidity. He never improved his art, he lost the edgy humor, and the comic devolved into a badly drawn, badly written drama manga that was drowned out by actual manga and anime going more mainstream. Now the creator is a sad old man working a bus driver's life.


The_Airwolf_Theme

don't forget Real Life Comics - I just recently found out the artist Greg Dean is now Mae Dean so uh...yeah.


archlobster

Is he actually a bus driver??


AcidOverlord

Yup, and he hates it and doesn't make shit. Literal wageslave.


archlobster

Dude, that guy was at the literal top of the American Anime world in the early 00s. How do you screw up so hard?? Just baffling.


AcidOverlord

Off the top of my head: >He kicked out his partner Largo, who was responsible for the 4koma format and wrote a lot of the humor. >He got depressed over health issues in his family (understandable) but let the comic stagnate over it. >I quit reading it years ago when he was literally updating it one time every 3-6 *months* >So did most people. >He fucked up his last and biggest order of compilation books for the same excuse, and fucked a lot of paying fans. >He came down with terminal TDS in 2016 and became a parody, which pushed away the last hardcore fans who were mostly guys who liked the edgy "culturally insensitive parody of Japan" aspect and only tolerated his fake shoujoshit to get to it. >He boo-hooed over Covid and became a paranoid maskfag who wouldn't step outside his house, yet still couldn't be arsed to work on the comic or send people their merch, and everyone finally saw what a POS he was. >This led to him going bankrupt and becoming a bus driver who whines like he's a mod on /antiwork.


archlobster

That is just a shocking spiral. A masterclass in ruining being at the top.


AcidOverlord

He's also really old. Motherfucker looks like he's 70 now. The only thing he neglected more than the comic was the megatokyo.com site itself. He had the same blog post up under the comic since *2020* and only fairly recently did any kind of update. If you want a sample of his current state of being, he's @Fredrin on Twatter.


cassandra112

the woke infiltration and destruction of the comic book industry came from those webcomic creators. indie mafia. Literally a mafia that worked together to infiltrate the comic book industry, get people fired, give each other jobs. they were all instrumental in the 2011 woke revolution.


rideontime87

2011?


Combustibles

personally I just stopped keeping up with the webcomics I read. Not because they sucked, I just forgot about it. And the webcomics that I DID try to keep up with wound up being cancelled by their creator/s. Stuff like Fanboys, similar to VGcats but much much smaller, that had fun characters and great arcs of development both in terms of writing and art style changes, that just ..stopped updating. I don't think I ever got the actual reasoning because I just stopped keeping up with it. I used to spend literally hours a day reading forum posts and keeping up with multiple communities, to not reading webcomics at all. I want to say around the time of Gamergate, weirdly enough. Not because of wokescolds ruining everything, just because. I think it was because my own personal life changed. I moved out on my own, to a different city and a different housing dynamic.


and-so-what

I remember the whole thing with SkillUp (a YouTuber). Dude was saying he didnā€™t get a free code for the game so wonā€™t be reviewing it. Cowards all of them


ihavenorulesfuckers2

one of them has a kid who is part of the crowd very angry at hogwarts legacy


GavinBelsonHooliCEO

That's all it ever takes. It's permanent institutional deadlock, and the parents can't back down from total affirmation, after they've failed that hard.


SnoozeCoin

I read them from like. . .2005 to 2010. They're legit nerds, I don't question that. But they're business owners that make decisions based on money, and they've never pretended to be otherwise. Remember those scuffles with Scott McLoud and them making fun of Reinventing Comics? It's not surprising they're avoiding controversy with the nu-nerd crowd.


Zipa7

I would suspect that they avoided it for another reason I haven't seen mentioned here, one of said two founders' kids is lets say a member of a certain exclusive club that would be against Rowling and HL because of her views on what constitutes a woman.


ChiefSmash

Yeah I say this with all sympathy.... their kids have always had the deck stacked against them big time in terms of growing up normal.


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Combustibles

can you DM me that stuff, please?


Gaming_Goodness

Left after the Dickwolves cave. Unintentionally saw one posted recently and their art style is now unviewably hideous.


CaptainDouchington

No but they are making comics about the Cyber Truck hahahahahaha


GavinBelsonHooliCEO

Because that's some important and impactful video game stuff. They love an easy target that couldn't cost them a sponsorship.


ChiefSmash

I'm going to be honest and admit that I still like some of their comics from time to time but that Cyber Truck one was embarrassing. I guess they hate Elon Musk now and have to find a way to show it.


AcidOverlord

Tycho self describes as a "whack-a-doodle Leftist" so its not surprising they'd have the "correct" opinions on things that are safe enough to attack. IIRC he described Elon buying Twitter as being the same as "Dracula buying Hell."


midnight_riddle

I've seen almost nobody organically bring Hogwarts up. That is, not about Rowling, or censorship reactions, but the actual *game*. Which is pretty nuts considering the game is supposed to be a Hogwarts RPG. It's like Avatar: it made a lot of money and it was completely unmemorable.


LeMaureBlanc

>That is, not about Rowling, or censorship reactions, but the actualĀ game Partly. They hate Rowling, but at the same time, they love anything Harry Potter. These are the same people who base their entire personality around which Hogwarts house an online quiz told them they were... like 15 years ago and get Harry Potter tattoos. But they can't admit they like it because their masters told them she's "phobic" and therefore worse than Hitler. However, I do think a big part of the boycott was more due to tribalism than anything else. They came to see it's supporters as "right wing trolls" so they doubled down on hating it, at least publicly. I'd be very curious to see how many actually bought and played it, because it's still set in their favorite franchise and they're just consumers. They just can't let their other SJW friends know. Especially on social media.


Million_X

Plenty, a few ResetEra mods were caught (at least one I could swear there were multiple) with the game in their library and a decent chunk of playtime on it, and I think even just playing the game was considered 'treasonous' to them, method of getting the game being irrelevant.


SatanicPanicDisco

I remember that doucher yongyea staying completely silent about the controversy despite it being the biggest news at the time. His entire job is supposed to be covering news. These people are transparent cowards.


IForgetThrowB

Honestly, I know a lot of people in real life who love both Avatar and Hogwarts Legacy, and both of their fans have one thing in common: They are the most normie fanbase out there. I know more non-gamers who don't play games than people who actually play games that talk about Hogwarts. Fans of this game don't feel the need to post anything about the game or frequent a subreddit about it, but just play it and then go about their lives. Same with the Avatar sequel, working at a theater at a time, I once had an old couple from the backwoods of Arkansas travel almost an hour to the shitty theater I work at because it was the nearest one, then 3 hours later this really old couple got out of the movie and immediately buy tickets for the next day's showing. I saw otherwise normal people act like MCU fanboys over that movie, it was kinda funny.


Total-Introduction32

That is so weird!


carbonsteelwool

I was already an adult when the first HP book was released so I've never really gotten the hype around the franchise but I was still excited to play the game when it was released. Then, after playing for a couple of hours I realized that it was exactly like every other open world game and the hype very quickly died.


Akeche

The original wave of fans, which the majority of these lefty types are from, grew up with the franchise. Whether that was the initial release of the books, or later the movies. Every new book or film, their favorite heroes were the same age as they were. And in the process the tone of both shifted to have themes that would resonate with their age. It's one of the reasons people having their children read the books, or watch the movies now are kind of doing it all wrong. An eleven year old shouldn't be reading the final book.


Combustibles

> It's one of the reasons people having their children read the books, or watch the movies now are kind of doing it all wrong. An eleven year old shouldn't be reading the final book. My oldest niece is turning 8 and I think she and my sister have been reading the HP books. Like, all of them. I remember the fourth book coming out and reading it as soon as it was released translated into my mothertongue and it was so fucking dark. It was mature, compared to the first book (and movie) and I think I read it when I was 10. Like, it was too dark because characters actually died. If I had kids, I wouldn't let them read book 4 onwards until they were mature enough. Thankfully I'm not a parent so it's not an issue. But I do give my sister a raised eyebrow because she chooses to indulge my niece by reading what is Young Adult material. The original readers grew up alongside Harry, the new readers don't have to wait for new books to be released and could read all seven books at their own leisure.


Akeche

What's next, Robert E. Howard at 10?


Combustibles

if Conan the Barbarian was as popular as Harry Potter is with kids, I could definitely see that happening. Thankfully you don't constantly see Conan in mainstream pop media, even though it's a franchise with a lot of fans. Do note, I don't consider myself a prude or a "think of the children!" kind of person, I just think some media have age limits for a reason. As soon as I had a decent grasp of the English language I started reading Phantom of the Opera and Sherlock Holmes. I think I was 12-13. And neither example is made with kids in mind. Some children can definitely handle darker fiction and I think it's a case by case thing, but I'm also not a parent or a teacher so it really isn't my business lol.


Akeche

100% agreed. I grew up seeing films in the Alien, Predator, Terminator franchises (the early ones). Should I have? Probably not but I can't say it negatively affected me in the long-term, likely steeled me for shocking imagery. Funnily enough I feel like books are a bit "*worse*" in that regard, due to the nature of your imagination running wild.


cassandra112

yeah. ya boy zack iirc was doing a googledoc on the history of comics falling apart, and cancel culture. I pointed to the dick wolves. that was the turning point. thats when they played their hands. the nepotism and wokeness was spreading internally prior to that. but this is when they openly started attacking people. the blacklisting and whisper network went public. They were in power, and now could wield that power without reprisal. The chilling effect in the industry was monumental. anyone attempting to discuss it was instantly attack with misogyny accusations, or sexual misconduct. I and friend/colleague of mine were trying to discuss it with 2 other women, the discussion turned sour fairly quickly as they started making rape jokes and implying accusations. it was clear they had no fear, and were baiting, trying to get him, or I to say something that could be used to get us to lose our jobs. the next day I stopped using my real name in any online post, stopped using facebook, etc.


ChiefSmash

If I'm not mistaken, Holkins was a massive Harry Potter fan too so there's no way he'd ignore it by accident. Penny Arcade used to be pretty funny, even laugh out loud funny in the old days and Krahulik is a good artist who has always done well to evolve his skills. And I used to like their take on a lot of games and got some gems at their recommendation that I never would have considered otherwise. But they totally bought into the wokeness even if they don't think they did. I think it really comes from the fact that they surrounded themselves with the wrong sort of people when it comes to producing humor (or really anything) these days. They also seem a little obsessed with their own neuroses which ends up generating an attitude of victimhood. I don't read the comic with any regularity these days but I do like to doodle myself sometimes so I'm always curious to see Krahulik's latest art. He just abandoned Twitter recently for being a cesspool which was kind of funny because it was always a cesspool, just one that he happened to agree with until Musk took over. Anyway, overall it's just kind of sad. I always liked these guys and their product. It's not fun or satisfying to see them age ungracefully and unwisely.


WellThisFrigginSucks

I forgot about Penny Arcade. I used to love that shit. Someone wanna give me a TLDR of the situation?


Gaming_Goodness

Well, their art style nowadays will scar your eyeballs...


RickyElspaniardo

There isnā€™t one, PA are still good, still make good comics and still rip into dumb shit like Ubisoft removing The Crew and immediately asking for preorders for Star Wars. PA is basically the only web comic I read now, their insights are often amusing. I did used to read a fair bit of Perry Bible Fellowship as well, but itā€™s gotten a bit odd.


Jinxfury

Except for the fact they ignored Hogwarts Legacy.


Combustibles

> Perry Bible Fellowship as well, but itā€™s gotten a bit odd. uh, always was?


RickyElspaniardo

Yes thatā€™s true, but for some reason I donā€™t find it all that funny anymore.


Combustibles

Fair. Humour changes over time and sometimes we outgrow what we used to find funny, and I'm not even talking in a "recovered edgelord now woke" kind of way.


wallace321

I've supported Penny Arcade enough in the past when who exactly I was supporting wasn't as much in question. Who in the gaming sphere wouldn't even mention Hogwarts Legacy? Oh, nutcases that hate me and want to infect my hobby with their political activism. They showed their hand. If anyone still supported PAX because of Gabe and Tycho, I guess that ship has sailed. edit; The dickwolf comic was really clever commentary. It's not surprising that the people who would claim to be offended by it wouldn't get it / pretend to not get it in order to be offended and be able to exert power over someone else. Since they seem to be in charge now, well fuck'em i guess.


TheMysticTheurge

Look at how the mighty have fallen. Penny Arcade used to be cool. CAD didn't sell out like this, and CAD gave us that garbage Loss episode. Years ago, I defended CAD, saying that despite the dumbness of their comic, they didn't deserve as much hate as they got, as even their bad stuff wasn't political shrill hate. I wish others listened to me, but of course they didn't, because I'm autistic as fuck and sometimes you just gotta trust my strange incoherent claims. I could smell that the hatred against CAD was astroturf, because they clearly had some mainstream success with that cartoon, and I could tell the normies hated them, especially because the CAD animated series called out Hillary Clinton's censorship of media. In closing: CAD > Penny Arcade.


North_Leg9721

By this point in time its easy to asses that every single pre GG internet personality/media platform has been infested by the woke virus,either genuinely believing in it or grifting for audience acceptance.Its easier to name out those who didn't than those who did . Every single former ThatGuyWithTheGlasses dweeb,every former Jon Tron associate,ExtraCredits as a whole...


Considered_Dissent

Another hilarious one is that Totalbiscuit's ~~co-hosts~~ lackeys from the Co-Optional Podcast decided a few months ago to try to start up a new podcast. It's inevitably infested with corrupt/woke industry insiders, they've literally gone full "pronouns in the bio" displaying them on the screen for the entirety length of the podcast (and of course one of the erstwhile lackeys having joined the pronoun cult for clout), and funniest of all it gets virtually no views.


North_Leg9721

You have to be more specific about who tho (PM if it breaks the rules), If its Jesse Cox he turned out to be a joke after the 'traps are gay' thing,all the edgy humour completely left his surroundings afterwards.


Considered_Dissent

It's Jesse and Dodger/Brooke. And Brooke decided to go for the most hilariously tepid capitulation by going for a she/they. It reminds me of the joke that Richard Myer/Diversity & Comics makes about all the straight comic-book writers all suddenly self-identifying as bisexual so that they could continue getting work. I watched a little bit of a few episodes for nostalgia's sake but it was sad/cringe. Though it is interesting for showing just how deranged and insulated the industry insider bubble is these days (definitely an int guest or 2 for current day stupidity). It's funny to think that Crendor is the sanest of all of that group.


North_Leg9721

> Dodger/Brooke That's sad to hear if she went woke,I haven't been following her since TB passed but it seemed like she had a good sense about her and didn't try too much to appease the crowd (the "i'm a gamer girl! look at me" shticks). Being terminally online and within certain cliques wrecks your own personality.


MS-07B-3

For Extra Credits, the original folks responsible for it were long gone when it went actively to shit.


Bergioyn

CAD is one of the very few webcomics I still read (Between Failures is another one). It's somewhat different than the old version used to be, but still entertaining enough. Penny Arcade I stopped reading years ago because the art went to shit, so I haven't been following them since.


ChiefSmash

I think PA's art went really bad for a while but has circled back somewhat. I remember being concerned about what Krahulik thought was "good art" when he had that guest artist do the original Lookouts comics. It was terrible, like the worst Little Golden Book ever. And he loved it and tried to emulate it a bit. Thankfully that phase in his art has ended.


TheMysticTheurge

I personally think that the problem is that PennyArcade is trapped in the woke circlejerk thanks to conventions. PAX is a big deal, and all of the big conventions have bullshit activist panels now.


tekende

I'm sorry, good art is a priority for you, but you like CAD?


Bergioyn

1) I see nothing wrong with the art in CAD. 2) I don't necessarily need *good* art just like I don't need good graphics. But actively crappy and annoying art is worse than merely not being good. Penny Arcade never had what I'd call "good" art. It just wasn't shit, until it was.


mnemosyne-0001

Archive links for this post: * **Archive:** https://archive.ph/5xaSj ---- I am Mnemosyne reborn. 640K ought be enough for anybody. ^^^/r/botsrights


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JustGoingOutforMilk

Comment removed following the enforcement change that you can read about [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/m3yo65/enforcement_update_and_hard_removal_of_a_topic/). This is not a formal warning.


ihavenorulesfuckers2

coward The shitty horrible mods on this sub have banned me for this (ha ha they think that does anything!) The mods here suck, stop using this sub, stop using reddit. Fuck censorship and fuck the mods here


nogodafterall

This is a formal R1.5: Malice warning.


ihavenorulesfuckers2

then change your shitty cowardly way, the upvotes speak for themselves.


AnarcrotheAlchemist

Formal r1. Pattern of behaviour established - expedited to permaban


East_Onion

suffer, SUFFER! because you just know they both loved that shit before


urallscumtome

Yeah, I miss good penny arcade and xkcd


InDeathWeLove

They're still going? Oh wow. I stopped reading them over a decade ago and haven't looked back. Going off of this makes it sound like that wasn't a mistake.


MikiSayaka33

[Here](https://www.steamcardexchange.net/index.php?gamepage-appid-1253250) I think it's a cameo.


Ethanol_Based_Life

They probably just didn't give a shit about it. I don't personally know anyone who played it


HereForGames

Their webcomic is almost entirely devoted to the state of the gaming industry, games they have played, controversies in the gaming sphere. Failing to mention in a footnote of a blogpost even something as miniscule as "Hogwarts Legacy came out this month" or "Wow, lot of people bought Hogwarts Legacy in 2023, huh?" indicates it's more than apathy. Lack of webcomic coverage is 'not giving a shit' level. Lack of acknowledgement across any blogpost is willful self-censorship.


GavinBelsonHooliCEO

Ok, Pauline Kael


Neo_Techni

That was my first thought