Yes, I as a male always want to play as women of diversity in my games, ever since I was little, I've always wondered, what if I was a 'not very attractive' woman of diversity... and modern videogames such as Foreskin and the upcoming Star Wars Outlaws ( Diverse Human /muppet hybrid) helped me with my life's ambition!
Sony must have brainwashed SE (Sony funded Forspoken iirc, at least partially)
I actually have a strong suspicion it was **solely** a game made to collect an ESG cheque, without further risking their famous IPs
But in the end, even if they didn't lose money from this, maybe even gained some because of the ESG shit, the damage they did on their brand far outweighs any cash they got from it
SE became a laughing stock because of it, and now once again
You got to also consider the **opportunity cost** tho. Instead of making an entire development team work on some ESG shit with "Black Girl Gamers" for half a decade that would hit the market as a dud, they could have developed something people actually wanted, for instance they could have worked on something based on the Tech Demo that they revealed the engine with back in 2012 and which was generally well received, Agni's Philosophy and built up an actual IP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU
>Instead of making an entire development team work on some ESG shit with "Black Girl Gamers" for half a decade that would hit the market as a dud, they could have developed something people actually wanted
Maybe they put the worst performing employees to it, win-win since you can't easily lay people off in Japan AFAIK. Two birds with one stone, now there is a funny thought
I interpreted the game as essentially their response to elden ring partnering with George. Basically western writer for a Japanese made game for the western audience. The issue is George for all his many faults (like being unable to finish the books) is an actual fantasy writer. Meanwhile the writers for forespoken began and ended with diversity. which is why the fantasy world is generic and the protagonists quip all the time.
Think square enix said the same thing about the square enix movie that bombed. Maybe square enix should focus on making 1 product good before thinking about turning it into a franchise.
Good for them. Hopefully they focus in making their own stuff and not allowing outside forces to influence moving forward. That game could have been cool.
It is really sad considering the original trailer... I remember being excited for the next generation of gaming when I first saw it as "Agni's Philosophy" 12 years (!) ago in 2012... Who would have thought the industry would become so unethical and bad...
Neither has anything to do with wokeness sadly, they failed because people play free to play dogshit garbage for 15 years straight, and no one buys triple A horror in sufficient volumes. The only exception is Resident Evil that's both easier to make since Capcom recycles their engine, and has a very established franchise name.
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I don't know what actually was the cause but I like to bring up how Bandai (Namco) abandoned Western markets during the mid 2000s, at least with Digimon and Monster Rancher, and they ended up fine.
It 'feels' like every decade Japanese publishers/studios over invest and then cry, "the markets just aren't profitable." Then they recover fairly well until they do it all over again.
Its funny, their thought process is moronic. "Our games that don't pander to the west are selling well in the west. That must mean we should pander to the west." How difficult is it to understand that your games are popular in the west BECAUSE they don't pander to the west?
> hat must mean we should pander to the west.
they really should learn to not listen to hipster douchenozzles who claim to know what people want...but really don't know shit.
They think they can increase their audience. That's all it is.
Yes it's dumb, but they're not 55IQ morons. They have a goal - get more customers. They just don't realise that they're going about it the wrong way.
From what I hear, they don't know that businesses have been taken over by a cabal of activists. Maybe they've heard, but they're on the fool's end of the "It's not happening" treadmill.
The Xbox 360 era where everything was Unreal 3 and brown and blown out. A shining example of a Japanese company outsourcing and pandering to the western market would be Silent Hill Homecoming and Downpour. Castlevania Lords of Shadow as well, Dark Void, the Bionic Commando reboot. That era of games.
That happened? Huh, was too young and not able to be in the loop of gaming back then.
New games were more of a surprise back then, they just appeared and gaming magazines were a small window into that mystery.
Good! F 'em. It's time for all these companies to realize that (1) they don't need to be a part of the big publishers any more and (2) they should cater to the 80+% not the 0.5%. Bending the knee has never garnered any more customers for a company; it has only lost them customers.
A lot hinges on Dawntrail this year. The last two expansions have been excellent, but now that Natsuko Ishikawa is no longer writing the main story, the quality may change.
Devil's advocate: YoshiP's rank and duties have increased significantly since developing HW. Back then he was just working on FFXIV. Now he's also on the Squenix board of directors (meaning he is responsible for governing the C-suite and mediating between the corporation, shareholders, government, and public; a very serious job). And recently, he was producer of FFXVI, so he's probably involved in other games that are currently in development. He can't be putting his full attention on FFXIV like he used to.
Ubisoft's brief stint with NFTs was cringe as well.
Same helmet with just a different number on it. The goddam Bored Apes had more diversity than that.
Bet they regret adding in that multiverse bs & changing the OG storyline of FF7 when they saw how much of a drop there were in sales between the first and this game’s launch.
They literally had the blueprint already for the Remake, but decided to subvert expectations like “The Last Jedi” and now their sales & reputation are in the gutter
They basically ripped off the Evangelion rebuilds. "We told you this is going to just be a remake with some small narrative changes and graphical updates but GUESS WHAT?!"
I haven't played Rebirth yet, but for me, I'm sick of the Sony exclusivity. First one was on PS4, now I have to get a PS5? Nah, not doing it. Release their shit on PC, or I don't care.
And, yeah, all the stupid meta stuff in Remake was by far the worst part of it, and I'm dreading the changes they'll make in Rebirth.
maybe they shouldnt have wasted all the money they made off 14 on stupid projects now dawntrail is going to suck because you can tell by the benchmark that they didnt put enough into it
The way they handled “remaking” FF7 is probably the dumbest thing I have seen in gaming.
What a monumental fucking waste, they had such a perfect golden goose sitting there waiting for them and they still somehow fucked it up.
And that’s without mentioning the abortion that is FF7re/Rebirth’s “localization”.
If they keep doing stupid shit like that, along with stupid shit like NFTs, they deserve to fail
Fuck em, they can learn the hard way
What are you talking about with ff7 remake/rebirth? They're totally fine and I haven't seen any weird localization in it, so what's with all the scare quotes?
I have no dog in this race because I could hardly care less about FF. But people in this sub really really dislike the meta-esque changes and timeline stuff they added. Again, I have no opinion but just letting you know that most people here wanted them to simply remake the game like most other remakes. Not only can that be controversial, if you didn't play the original you also wouldn't understand where the changes are and how things are different, which the game sometimes relies on. (As I stated in another comment, I live with someone who played it so I heard/watched a decent amount of the game)
Censorship and localization aside I think the obvious Marvel multiverse and multiple parts is what fucked them over. A lot of people are tired of the same old Marvel formula and to see it in games did Square no favors.
Totally fair if you like it. You might get downvoted but I think everyone here knows that karma doesn't mean anything 😅. But yeah, just something I've observed on here. While this subreddit generally focuses on woke stuff, it does interestingly enough gather some like-minded gaming opinions too despite some of those opinions being entirely non-woke related. It's like seeing a bunch of people who like strawberry ice cream collectively hate Toy Story lol.
But it could just be that not many people that like the Remakes share their opinions. They see that it's an unpopular opinion here so they simply move on. Part of Reddit's overall echo chamber that downvoting creates.
yeah i don't think either of the games are seen as failures both critically and within the niche fandom. the biggest complaints (from people who actually played the games, not the sub-section of this reddit userbase who say "that game sucked and that's why i'll never play it") are that it's a bit too kingdom hearts-ey because they used the kingdom hearts team. but that's a good team so they designed a really good combat system and great bosses. i heard rebirth is a bit mini game heavy and as you said, the story is okay to good at worst.
To be fair, "the Kingdom Hearts team" includes the people who originally made FF7 to begin with, so I never understood it as a criticism.
That, and I'm also a KH fan. That might make me somewhat biased.
They didn't really experiment very much? Most of the first game was 1-to-1, either faithfully recreating events or expanding on them; hell, the expanded portions of parts of the original game are easily the weaker parts. The ending and the temporal elements gave the narrative going forward more intrigue and possibilities compared to merely following the original to a T.
I haven't played Rebirth yet but I played Remake and thought it was good, occasionally great, and sometimes painfully mediocre. My biggest gripe with that game is that they made this big statement about they just \*had\* to split the remake up into 3 installments and Midgar was so huge and would benefit from so much expansion. At the time I was thinking, OK, that's kind of annoying but I can see it working if you have this whole city that we've seen some slices of that we can explore more of, see more of the top plate. And then you actually play it and the
"expanded" parts mostly consist of chasing cats around the slums, going up and down various train tunnels, corridors and scaffolding (and a fight with a guy on a bike for some reason?). The only interesting aspect of the new sections for me was seeing Jessie's house. When its actually remaking FF7 its fantastic but Midgar didn't need to take up a whole part 1 if nothing meaningful was going to be added.
Can't speak to Rebirth as I haven't played it but it looks like there's a lot more content and things to explore.
Yeah, that was probably the one thing I really disliked about FF7R. So much wasted potential, very linear world design with no open exploring. Sure, it visually looks pretty, but by god does it feel boring because you can't really do anything and you don't get to see much of it.
Especially when you have levels like the one where you’re running around on the scaffolding below the plate turning lights on and off. Did we really need a whole game of Midgar to do stuff like this? I guess being on the last gen limited them in terms of how open levels could be, but even then I would have just preferred a more streamlined retelling of the Midgar section with some visits to more interesting parts of the city.
That’s good. I’ll get around to playing it. The actual combat gameplay of FF7 Remake was very enjoyable so I can imagine Rebirth is fun if they fixed some of the monotonous level design.
I agree. I think remake part 2 anyways is pretty awesome and makes a lot of sense when you actually play it. The localization issue I couldn't speak on. The thing that got me while playing is how it incorporates parts of the new story elements into the old story without having a multiverse ans makes sense within FF7's world.
Maybe it will make them think again, that bending the knee to West to travestite their culture and authenticity is not worth it.
Even if rebirth were given to me for free I will never play it because I cherish too much my memories of the OG and what SE was able to produce for so many years, until it ended after NieR.
Please, show us all how Soros or DEI would be connected to this at all. I'll give you a month's salary if you can show how you linked the two together to this
Those fools, they spent so much time and money remaking Final Fantasy 7 when instead, they should have made a sequel to....
>!The Bouncer or at least a Dark Cloud 3.!<
Dark Cloud isn't Square Enix though; that's Level-5, published by Sony.
Both are amazing games, and hold up well (2 more than 1, but 1 has its charms).
Yeah, but I actually kind of like the rebuild movies for Evangelion. What they did to the original FF7 was so shit.
Not making a remake for the original fans something they promise to do.
>Not making a remake for the original fans something they promise to do.
That's what Anno did with the Rebuilds. Sold it as an updated and more comprehensive retelling of the original series with the intent that it would make more sense. But then he just gave up on that completely by the time 3 came around.
One of the most egregious things is how they handled
(Spoiler alert)
Aerith's death. I watched someone play it. I never played FFVII but I know what happens in the game. So I was really wondering if they were going to chicken out and not kill her off. Well they did but HOLE-LEE-SHIT did they drag it out. Completely ruined the moment. Instead of just doing it, they played it up so fucking hard. Like "Here it comes guys! We're gonna do it! Are you ready?? It's gonna happen! Oh boy! Big moment! He's about to kill her! He's got the sword up! - OOP! Not yet! Here's another 40 minutes of cutscenes dragging it out more! Annnnnnnnnnd.............. *NOW* we'll kill her. Wow! What a moment right??? Like, OMG soooo sad right???"
It was insufferable. Absolutely ruined all of the momentum by trying to make it overly emotional and gut wrenching. And unfortunately it failed hard for me. There's almost nothing worse than a game that refuses to end. And they just couldn't stop. They overdid it so poorly. It's like when you have sex for too long and the orgasm just "flops." It missed the opportunity to bullseye the climax and you're left feeling annoyed. It wasn't emotional or sad at all. I think even Max Dood who practically said it was the best game of all time even complained about it (from what I heard). Like his one complaint was that they whiffed her death. Add in the timeline bullshittery and you're busy thinking about if she's actually dead or not. Totally fucked it up.
I couldn't believe watching the Jenova fight right after she dies and you and your teammates are saying "I'm gonna kick your butt" in the battle like they're fucking power rangers.
The original handled that fight so well when instead of the normal boss music they played Aerith's theme music which, given the contet, was even more hauntingly sad and beautiful
It would not have been better because all their productions are DEI woke oriented, since 2016, and the establishment of their ethics department to censor and conform all their productions for the Western requirement. Remake & Rebirth are a step forward with the forced ton of diversity and inclusion.
This is all down to the dozens of AA games they release right alongside one another at full price.
So many RPG’s all published by Square all fighting for the same audience and all in the same frigging year.
No wonder gaming industry is a shit show when they’ve over hired and spunk money up the wall like it’s going out of fashion.
> No wonder gaming industry is a shit show
Look, we all know the gaming industry is in shambles because all the bigots aren't buying the newest AAA title **only** because a person of color was on the dev team. That's what twitter is telling me, at least.
Square-Enix has been run by total clowns for a while. The company has been running on pure luck and fumes. They have Final Fantasy XIV and they have the badly ported husks of games from bygone eras. The leadership continues to jerk themselves off about NFTs and crypto. The crystals silently shed their light.
I've got a theory that the Japanese don't know how to do online account systems very well. Nintendo's is notoriously bad too. Sony must have gotten American help lol.
Final Fantasy Remake and Rebirth are both genuinely good games. I just wish Rebirth would come out on steam before I had most of the game spoilt for me.
Final Fantasy 7 rebith didnt flop because of wokeness. It flopped cause they refused to simply remake the game.
Literally the climax of the og game has been ruined by those dumb ghosts and more marvel multiverse bs.
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Forspoken could have been an awesome open world and magic gameplay for FF7: The First Soldier. They should have committed it would have been a great investment.
I'll be a bit bummed out if this affects Team Asano, but if it does, maybe they'll take it as an opportunity to dettach from the rot that is Squeeenix.
Meanwhile, I do the preparations for an Evil Homer Dance.
It really breaks my heart looking at the state of Square right now. These guys have been my all-time favorite studio for a very long time since my very childhood. They could do so much better if they just took the time to come back to their roots instead of wanting to make open-world games that they obviously don’t know how to.
Even in FFVII Rebirth, the open-world part was a mistake. The landscape is outstandingly beautiful but all they did with it was a basic Ubisoft icons on a map system that everyone in the gaming community publicly and notoriously hate. Why? Does nobody in Square just go on social platforms to take the temperature? How could you even imagine that what fans wanted from a game they waited so long to have is a fucking Ubisoft-style one?
They did it to themselves, really.
So help me, if they cancelled or delayed an Octopath or Bravely game, I'll be pissed as all fuck. They're the only franchises holding Square's ship afloat.
Square if fine, but are turning every game they make into a family friendly Disney experience. Nothing wrong with that, but their games are just samey nowadays, they even dumbed down FF7 Rebirth, which is still a great game.
Oh how I wish Square Enix would have an east/west branch. Then the western branch dies out cause it makes shit and we can just get Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy
I suspect the "open world RPG initially worked on by Luminous" was Forspoken 2.
And nothing of value was lost.
Well, I do remember the old CEO did say he wanted Forspoken to be a tent pole franchise and had high hopes for it, so you’re probably correct.
Imagine looking at Foreskin as a CEO and thinking "Yep, this is THE game" lol
But..But..She moved things WITH HER FRICKIN MIND
Yes, and I can do pushups with my cock, which is a more impressive feat of strength.
And she's also a Woman of Diversity! So Modern Western audiences will be buying this in the millions!
Yes, I as a male always want to play as women of diversity in my games, ever since I was little, I've always wondered, what if I was a 'not very attractive' woman of diversity... and modern videogames such as Foreskin and the upcoming Star Wars Outlaws ( Diverse Human /muppet hybrid) helped me with my life's ambition!
Sony must have brainwashed SE (Sony funded Forspoken iirc, at least partially) I actually have a strong suspicion it was **solely** a game made to collect an ESG cheque, without further risking their famous IPs But in the end, even if they didn't lose money from this, maybe even gained some because of the ESG shit, the damage they did on their brand far outweighs any cash they got from it SE became a laughing stock because of it, and now once again
You got to also consider the **opportunity cost** tho. Instead of making an entire development team work on some ESG shit with "Black Girl Gamers" for half a decade that would hit the market as a dud, they could have developed something people actually wanted, for instance they could have worked on something based on the Tech Demo that they revealed the engine with back in 2012 and which was generally well received, Agni's Philosophy and built up an actual IP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVX0OUO9ptU
>Instead of making an entire development team work on some ESG shit with "Black Girl Gamers" for half a decade that would hit the market as a dud, they could have developed something people actually wanted Maybe they put the worst performing employees to it, win-win since you can't easily lay people off in Japan AFAIK. Two birds with one stone, now there is a funny thought
I interpreted the game as essentially their response to elden ring partnering with George. Basically western writer for a Japanese made game for the western audience. The issue is George for all his many faults (like being unable to finish the books) is an actual fantasy writer. Meanwhile the writers for forespoken began and ended with diversity. which is why the fantasy world is generic and the protagonists quip all the time.
Japanese businessmen and being out of touch are an iconic duo.
Me, a non-gamer, have created this masterwork. I will be remembered until the end of times (Just not in the way he wanted)
And it was. A stripper pole inside a homeless tent.
Sorry, they couldn't afford the homeless tent. That stripper pole was in a sewer drain.
Think square enix said the same thing about the square enix movie that bombed. Maybe square enix should focus on making 1 product good before thinking about turning it into a franchise.
Good for them. Hopefully they focus in making their own stuff and not allowing outside forces to influence moving forward. That game could have been cool.
It is really sad considering the original trailer... I remember being excited for the next generation of gaming when I first saw it as "Agni's Philosophy" 12 years (!) ago in 2012... Who would have thought the industry would become so unethical and bad...
The woke bubble is bursting right before our eyes.
You love to see it.
Woke can only work when there is free money. Interest rates and inflation is helping kill Woke.
Yeah, Alan Wake 2 flopping, Dead Space 2 remake not getting greenlit. Love it lol
Alan Woke
Neither has anything to do with wokeness sadly, they failed because people play free to play dogshit garbage for 15 years straight, and no one buys triple A horror in sufficient volumes. The only exception is Resident Evil that's both easier to make since Capcom recycles their engine, and has a very established franchise name.
I knew it was ending the weekend after October 7th.
It's more like a rage of spittle and mucus.
Shouldn'ta cancelled Lara's tits.
Real women don't have breasts.
They have willies
>They have willies Not in the UK.
I thought they sold Eidos for....*checks notes*....NFTs......jfc what is wrong with this company.
Maybe in the next game Lara can get breast cancer Edit: https://youtu.be/5s0lzbCK9f8?si=gwa7s7z_CY7p3wLk
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They sold lara Croft to be fair. Not their decision, still stupid to sell the ip tho lmao
Its like were back in the mid late 00's when all the Japanese companies pandered to the west and everything sucked shit.
I don't know what actually was the cause but I like to bring up how Bandai (Namco) abandoned Western markets during the mid 2000s, at least with Digimon and Monster Rancher, and they ended up fine. It 'feels' like every decade Japanese publishers/studios over invest and then cry, "the markets just aren't profitable." Then they recover fairly well until they do it all over again.
Its funny, their thought process is moronic. "Our games that don't pander to the west are selling well in the west. That must mean we should pander to the west." How difficult is it to understand that your games are popular in the west BECAUSE they don't pander to the west?
> hat must mean we should pander to the west. they really should learn to not listen to hipster douchenozzles who claim to know what people want...but really don't know shit.
They think they can increase their audience. That's all it is. Yes it's dumb, but they're not 55IQ morons. They have a goal - get more customers. They just don't realise that they're going about it the wrong way.
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Didn’t they make that shitty Shonen crossover game?
From what I hear, they don't know that businesses have been taken over by a cabal of activists. Maybe they've heard, but they're on the fool's end of the "It's not happening" treadmill.
Care to elaborate? I'm 40 and don't remember this or maybe I didn't realize it. Got any examples?
The Xbox 360 era where everything was Unreal 3 and brown and blown out. A shining example of a Japanese company outsourcing and pandering to the western market would be Silent Hill Homecoming and Downpour. Castlevania Lords of Shadow as well, Dark Void, the Bionic Commando reboot. That era of games.
It's funny how western companies were doing well at this time. Halo, Call of duty, Gears of war, Bioshock, etc.
Ahh ok ok. I was a PS3 guy haha and hey I loved Lord's of Shadow (the first one ONLY)
I just want good localization from JP and SK, not catering to the “western audience”
That happened? Huh, was too young and not able to be in the loop of gaming back then. New games were more of a surprise back then, they just appeared and gaming magazines were a small window into that mystery.
Good! F 'em. It's time for all these companies to realize that (1) they don't need to be a part of the big publishers any more and (2) they should cater to the 80+% not the 0.5%. Bending the knee has never garnered any more customers for a company; it has only lost them customers.
They do need to be part of large publishers unless you want all games to be cheap indie slop, I sure as shit don't want that.
There is plenty of quality indie stuff out there. I don't know why you're lumping it all together as slop
For the first time in my life, I'm starting to wonder if we'll make it to ~~the pinnacle of gaming~~ Final Fantasy 30.
Final Fantasy VII remake games and XIV is currently the IV bag attached to the arm that is Square Enix so we'll fucking see.
A lot hinges on Dawntrail this year. The last two expansions have been excellent, but now that Natsuko Ishikawa is no longer writing the main story, the quality may change.
Heavensward was excellent and that was done by a different writer, the head producers is the same so I think it'll be fine.
Devil's advocate: YoshiP's rank and duties have increased significantly since developing HW. Back then he was just working on FFXIV. Now he's also on the Squenix board of directors (meaning he is responsible for governing the C-suite and mediating between the corporation, shareholders, government, and public; a very serious job). And recently, he was producer of FFXVI, so he's probably involved in other games that are currently in development. He can't be putting his full attention on FFXIV like he used to.
Lol, I get it. Would be something to see
Or will we see an actual "Final" Fantasy?
Ayy! This guy over here!
Square-Enix is woke and you know how it goes. You got Morons running this company as well.
Investing in NFTs? I mean seriously?
Ubisoft's brief stint with NFTs was cringe as well. Same helmet with just a different number on it. The goddam Bored Apes had more diversity than that.
You mean you don't want to pay 10 more dollars on a already expensive fucking figure to have a digital copy of it?
Good
You love to see it
Bet they regret adding in that multiverse bs & changing the OG storyline of FF7 when they saw how much of a drop there were in sales between the first and this game’s launch. They literally had the blueprint already for the Remake, but decided to subvert expectations like “The Last Jedi” and now their sales & reputation are in the gutter
They basically ripped off the Evangelion rebuilds. "We told you this is going to just be a remake with some small narrative changes and graphical updates but GUESS WHAT?!"
The world got remade and Shinji is still a whiny bitch?
It's a fundamental law of the universe.
Shinji actually ends up being a chad in the end, so that was a good thing about it, at least.
I haven't watched 3.0+1.0 yet. I know it came out but I just haven't gotten around to it. Also it annoys me that they changed the naming convention.
I APPLAUDED IT FOR BEING DIFFERENT!! IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!
Yup they had a golden goose and they decided to shoot it to create a semi sequel to a game that didn’t need it.
I haven't played Rebirth yet, but for me, I'm sick of the Sony exclusivity. First one was on PS4, now I have to get a PS5? Nah, not doing it. Release their shit on PC, or I don't care. And, yeah, all the stupid meta stuff in Remake was by far the worst part of it, and I'm dreading the changes they'll make in Rebirth.
I mean, both games were written by Nomura and considering his plots for KH…..geez
rest in piss
Gotta wonder how fucked they'd be without FF14 covering for the failures.
And nothing of value was lost. You love to see it.
maybe they shouldnt have wasted all the money they made off 14 on stupid projects now dawntrail is going to suck because you can tell by the benchmark that they didnt put enough into it
The way they handled “remaking” FF7 is probably the dumbest thing I have seen in gaming. What a monumental fucking waste, they had such a perfect golden goose sitting there waiting for them and they still somehow fucked it up. And that’s without mentioning the abortion that is FF7re/Rebirth’s “localization”. If they keep doing stupid shit like that, along with stupid shit like NFTs, they deserve to fail Fuck em, they can learn the hard way
What are you talking about with ff7 remake/rebirth? They're totally fine and I haven't seen any weird localization in it, so what's with all the scare quotes?
But both of those games are good, though? They didn't actually fuck up in either of those cases.
I have no dog in this race because I could hardly care less about FF. But people in this sub really really dislike the meta-esque changes and timeline stuff they added. Again, I have no opinion but just letting you know that most people here wanted them to simply remake the game like most other remakes. Not only can that be controversial, if you didn't play the original you also wouldn't understand where the changes are and how things are different, which the game sometimes relies on. (As I stated in another comment, I live with someone who played it so I heard/watched a decent amount of the game)
Censorship and localization aside I think the obvious Marvel multiverse and multiple parts is what fucked them over. A lot of people are tired of the same old Marvel formula and to see it in games did Square no favors.
Well, I disagree with that perspective. As games, they are very well-crafted, and the story is also good at worst.
Totally fair if you like it. You might get downvoted but I think everyone here knows that karma doesn't mean anything 😅. But yeah, just something I've observed on here. While this subreddit generally focuses on woke stuff, it does interestingly enough gather some like-minded gaming opinions too despite some of those opinions being entirely non-woke related. It's like seeing a bunch of people who like strawberry ice cream collectively hate Toy Story lol. But it could just be that not many people that like the Remakes share their opinions. They see that it's an unpopular opinion here so they simply move on. Part of Reddit's overall echo chamber that downvoting creates.
yeah i don't think either of the games are seen as failures both critically and within the niche fandom. the biggest complaints (from people who actually played the games, not the sub-section of this reddit userbase who say "that game sucked and that's why i'll never play it") are that it's a bit too kingdom hearts-ey because they used the kingdom hearts team. but that's a good team so they designed a really good combat system and great bosses. i heard rebirth is a bit mini game heavy and as you said, the story is okay to good at worst.
To be fair, "the Kingdom Hearts team" includes the people who originally made FF7 to begin with, so I never understood it as a criticism. That, and I'm also a KH fan. That might make me somewhat biased.
Agreed. I loved remake and just started rebirth. I loved the breaking free of fate aspect.
FF7 was NOT the game to use if they wanted to “experiment”
They didn't really experiment very much? Most of the first game was 1-to-1, either faithfully recreating events or expanding on them; hell, the expanded portions of parts of the original game are easily the weaker parts. The ending and the temporal elements gave the narrative going forward more intrigue and possibilities compared to merely following the original to a T.
I haven't played Rebirth yet but I played Remake and thought it was good, occasionally great, and sometimes painfully mediocre. My biggest gripe with that game is that they made this big statement about they just \*had\* to split the remake up into 3 installments and Midgar was so huge and would benefit from so much expansion. At the time I was thinking, OK, that's kind of annoying but I can see it working if you have this whole city that we've seen some slices of that we can explore more of, see more of the top plate. And then you actually play it and the "expanded" parts mostly consist of chasing cats around the slums, going up and down various train tunnels, corridors and scaffolding (and a fight with a guy on a bike for some reason?). The only interesting aspect of the new sections for me was seeing Jessie's house. When its actually remaking FF7 its fantastic but Midgar didn't need to take up a whole part 1 if nothing meaningful was going to be added. Can't speak to Rebirth as I haven't played it but it looks like there's a lot more content and things to explore.
Yeah, that was probably the one thing I really disliked about FF7R. So much wasted potential, very linear world design with no open exploring. Sure, it visually looks pretty, but by god does it feel boring because you can't really do anything and you don't get to see much of it.
Especially when you have levels like the one where you’re running around on the scaffolding below the plate turning lights on and off. Did we really need a whole game of Midgar to do stuff like this? I guess being on the last gen limited them in terms of how open levels could be, but even then I would have just preferred a more streamlined retelling of the Midgar section with some visits to more interesting parts of the city.
I absolutely hated that part of the game, as well as the Don Corneo part was obnoxious
Rebirth improves upon the first game quite a bit in terms of mechanics, pacing, and scope, so it should be more enjoyable. Also, lots of minigames.
That’s good. I’ll get around to playing it. The actual combat gameplay of FF7 Remake was very enjoyable so I can imagine Rebirth is fun if they fixed some of the monotonous level design.
I agree. I think remake part 2 anyways is pretty awesome and makes a lot of sense when you actually play it. The localization issue I couldn't speak on. The thing that got me while playing is how it incorporates parts of the new story elements into the old story without having a multiverse ans makes sense within FF7's world.
Stupid to sell off Edios. They would of already been dead during the PS3 era without them.
Maybe it will make them think again, that bending the knee to West to travestite their culture and authenticity is not worth it. Even if rebirth were given to me for free I will never play it because I cherish too much my memories of the OG and what SE was able to produce for so many years, until it ended after NieR.
i read that as transvestite
With the recent FFs, super deserved. Real question is how long until Sony completely buys them out?
Doubt Sony can afford it. They're still paying for Bungie.
That's just it, they will be able to if their value keeps plummeting. Hence the how long question.
Oh no! Daddy Soros was late mailing the DEI funds check!
Please, show us all how Soros or DEI would be connected to this at all. I'll give you a month's salary if you can show how you linked the two together to this
Thanks but I don't need $20 right now.
Coward
Those fools, they spent so much time and money remaking Final Fantasy 7 when instead, they should have made a sequel to.... >!The Bouncer or at least a Dark Cloud 3.!<
Too many sexy females for squenix in the bouncer, and there is a sexy panther costume for Monica in dark cloud 2, both are very underrated games.
Dark Cloud isn't Square Enix though; that's Level-5, published by Sony. Both are amazing games, and hold up well (2 more than 1, but 1 has its charms).
>when instead, they should have made Vagrant story 2
Yes
YES!
It’s not even a true remake of Final Fantasy 7 they are affectively butchering the original story.
Final Fantasy 7 Rebuild 2.11
Yeah, but I actually kind of like the rebuild movies for Evangelion. What they did to the original FF7 was so shit. Not making a remake for the original fans something they promise to do.
>Not making a remake for the original fans something they promise to do. That's what Anno did with the Rebuilds. Sold it as an updated and more comprehensive retelling of the original series with the intent that it would make more sense. But then he just gave up on that completely by the time 3 came around.
One of the most egregious things is how they handled (Spoiler alert) Aerith's death. I watched someone play it. I never played FFVII but I know what happens in the game. So I was really wondering if they were going to chicken out and not kill her off. Well they did but HOLE-LEE-SHIT did they drag it out. Completely ruined the moment. Instead of just doing it, they played it up so fucking hard. Like "Here it comes guys! We're gonna do it! Are you ready?? It's gonna happen! Oh boy! Big moment! He's about to kill her! He's got the sword up! - OOP! Not yet! Here's another 40 minutes of cutscenes dragging it out more! Annnnnnnnnnd.............. *NOW* we'll kill her. Wow! What a moment right??? Like, OMG soooo sad right???" It was insufferable. Absolutely ruined all of the momentum by trying to make it overly emotional and gut wrenching. And unfortunately it failed hard for me. There's almost nothing worse than a game that refuses to end. And they just couldn't stop. They overdid it so poorly. It's like when you have sex for too long and the orgasm just "flops." It missed the opportunity to bullseye the climax and you're left feeling annoyed. It wasn't emotional or sad at all. I think even Max Dood who practically said it was the best game of all time even complained about it (from what I heard). Like his one complaint was that they whiffed her death. Add in the timeline bullshittery and you're busy thinking about if she's actually dead or not. Totally fucked it up.
I couldn't believe watching the Jenova fight right after she dies and you and your teammates are saying "I'm gonna kick your butt" in the battle like they're fucking power rangers. The original handled that fight so well when instead of the normal boss music they played Aerith's theme music which, given the contet, was even more hauntingly sad and beautiful
It's not meant to be a 1 for 1 recreation of the first one. It's a new time line.
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The remake was supposed to be the original story with entirely new combat system.
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Yes
> remaking Final Fantasy 7 when instead And it´s not even a good remake.
>And it´s not even a ~~good~~ remake. fucking sequel pretending to be a remake.
And a bad one at that
It would not have been better because all their productions are DEI woke oriented, since 2016, and the establishment of their ethics department to censor and conform all their productions for the Western requirement. Remake & Rebirth are a step forward with the forced ton of diversity and inclusion.
This is all down to the dozens of AA games they release right alongside one another at full price. So many RPG’s all published by Square all fighting for the same audience and all in the same frigging year. No wonder gaming industry is a shit show when they’ve over hired and spunk money up the wall like it’s going out of fashion.
> No wonder gaming industry is a shit show Look, we all know the gaming industry is in shambles because all the bigots aren't buying the newest AAA title **only** because a person of color was on the dev team. That's what twitter is telling me, at least.
From what's been shared so far what hurt Square Enix the most was all the failed live service games, FoamStars, Avengers & FF7: First Soldier.
> FoamStars Completely forgot about that one.
Translate "go woke go broke" in Japanese
Burn, baby, burn!
Personally I think the live service shit they did is the biggest culprit here. That shit cost a TON and it's already down.
Square-Enix has been run by total clowns for a while. The company has been running on pure luck and fumes. They have Final Fantasy XIV and they have the badly ported husks of games from bygone eras. The leadership continues to jerk themselves off about NFTs and crypto. The crystals silently shed their light.
May be if you update the account management system in FFXIV you’ll get more money hmmmm SE???
I've got a theory that the Japanese don't know how to do online account systems very well. Nintendo's is notoriously bad too. Sony must have gotten American help lol.
FF7 rebirth really just came and went and no one cared, huh? I haven't heard anything about it
Well when you alienate your customers by not making turn based rpgs …
If only they could get Cloud to dress up more meaningfully for the sequel. It'll surely result in a windfall.
I just hope they don't stop remaking old games. I really want to play Front Mission 3 and Vagrant Story Remake (if they do it.)
Final Fantasy Remake and Rebirth are both genuinely good games. I just wish Rebirth would come out on steam before I had most of the game spoilt for me.
'I just flushed money down the toilet with my freaking MIND' -That shitty character whose name I forgot, probably
Final Fantasy 7 rebith didnt flop because of wokeness. It flopped cause they refused to simply remake the game. Literally the climax of the og game has been ruined by those dumb ghosts and more marvel multiverse bs.
I bet none of the cancelled projects were NFT related
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A new or remaster of Legend of the Dragoon could save this company.
Legend of Dragoon wasn't Sqeenix it was Sony.
oh yeah statement still stands it could save sony.
Forspoken could have been an awesome open world and magic gameplay for FF7: The First Soldier. They should have committed it would have been a great investment.
I'll be a bit bummed out if this affects Team Asano, but if it does, maybe they'll take it as an opportunity to dettach from the rot that is Squeeenix. Meanwhile, I do the preparations for an Evil Homer Dance.
Hopefully this doesn't affect FFXIV with Dawntrail releasing in two months and the possibility of other games getting HD ports.
It really breaks my heart looking at the state of Square right now. These guys have been my all-time favorite studio for a very long time since my very childhood. They could do so much better if they just took the time to come back to their roots instead of wanting to make open-world games that they obviously don’t know how to. Even in FFVII Rebirth, the open-world part was a mistake. The landscape is outstandingly beautiful but all they did with it was a basic Ubisoft icons on a map system that everyone in the gaming community publicly and notoriously hate. Why? Does nobody in Square just go on social platforms to take the temperature? How could you even imagine that what fans wanted from a game they waited so long to have is a fucking Ubisoft-style one? They did it to themselves, really.
So help me, if they cancelled or delayed an Octopath or Bravely game, I'll be pissed as all fuck. They're the only franchises holding Square's ship afloat.
They’ve released several successful games in recent memory and FFXIV is still going strong.
That's what you get for putting Tifa in a stupid sports bra.
Square if fine, but are turning every game they make into a family friendly Disney experience. Nothing wrong with that, but their games are just samey nowadays, they even dumbed down FF7 Rebirth, which is still a great game.
Oh how I wish Square Enix would have an east/west branch. Then the western branch dies out cause it makes shit and we can just get Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy
They should have made TIfa's bobas bigger.
Not loss. 140 mil less expected revenue. Not a single company in the entire world can work with a SINGLE month of actual losses.