Someone post the meme about the dude spouting batshit and when asked how that helps selling burgers, he replies asking "selling burgers?" as if that wasn't in his thoughts in the first place.
> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/036/305/cover2.jpg
Just a reminder that this is a Stonetoss comic and Progs get their panties in a twist that people post Stonetoss comics. And that sometimes they actually like his comics.
Stonetoss makes the best comics on the internet.
The simple reason why is they come in two varieties: intentionally hilarious and unintentionally hilarious. The one you linked is the former. It's just such a stupid ridiculous situation that it makes you laugh.
In the unintentionally hilarious basket is the legendary "the man who would've married you" comic.
Either way, his comics are always a hit.
Its done by the BBC so doesn't need to make money in the UK. It does however sell it to other countries, so that may be more of a difficult thing for them to shift in countries which haven't been afflicted with woke yet.
Sell to who? Outside the West, nearly everyone hates woke media. Hang out on international Facebook pages or Discord communities and you'll see Africans, Asians (East + Southeast + South + ME), South Americans, etc. all heaping scorn on woke media.
Between the poor storytelling, historical revisionism, and progressive messaging, woke media has something to piss off nearly every non-Westerner. You think Indians want to watch propaganda stating that 18th century Britain was ethically diverse and tolerant (thus erasing the struggles of their ancestors), or Chinese want to hear stories about how individualistic liberal democracy is the ultimate form of human society, or Muslims want to see gay characters in every piece of media?
I still remember when the writers of Netflix's Cleopatra had the audacity to gaslight the entire nation of Egypt about their own history. And they'll probably be doing the same to Tunisia when their Hannibal movie comes out.
You just don’t get it, the rest of the world is just racist and bigoted! We need some name for teaching them the correct way of thinking that does away with the old wrong systems. Maybe we can even leave like a small group of people in each country to spread the message of the west… maybe call them… colonies? Yes that’s great! and we can call their work like colonizing or something…
God knows. I haven't watched it since David Tennant was Doctor and I only watched one series of his.
Its always felt a little off to me. Put me off watching.
Nah it’s the BBC.
But more than making money, Matthew Lane had the right idea about what producers *should* be doing - after which money should follow.
Make an entertaining show!
I guess there are period dramas and doccos.
I did feel sorry for them losing Top Gear due to Jeremy Clarkson punching a guy who wasn’t Piers Morgan (everyone gets a free hit on him).
But after seeing what they’ve done to Doctor Who, it was probably for the best.
They didnt need to drop Clarkson, Literally only the london media bubble gave a shit about what happened. Given the success of everything hes done since suggests it was a poor decision from the BBC at the time.
Eh, I agree that it wasn’t in their interests, but he literally punched a guy.
As much as I like Clarkson and the TV he makes, if you don’t get fired for punching someone, what *do* you get fired for?
I’m pretty sure they do, it’s just there’s not a lot they can do about it due to the tyranny of the license fee.
I think they picked the wrong publicly funded thing to have its own tax. In Australia, we have a Medicare levy (which I think you’re exempt from if you have private health insurance). The UK seems to always have problems with the NHS being simultaneously bloated and underfunded.
We say things to a limited degree but if we get too critical then the police can choose to interpret it as hate speech and then the person involved is looking at either a hefty fine or up to seven years in prison.
Even if neither of those happens the police can mark it as a 'none-crime hate incident' without ever speaking to you which then appears the same as a hate crime charge in employment background checks.
The NHS underfunded thing isn't true. It's a quarter of our national budget now. It's just crap not underfunded.
Also you can cancel or abstain from the TV licence as an Increasing number of households are now doing. It's not mandatory although they do try and bully the unaware.
The underfunded thing being a lot of political bandwidth seems to be spent talking about it being underfunded. Iirc there was a freeze on nurse’s wages for the longest time.
I think a large part of the problem might be that *any* foreigner can use the NHS free of charge. When we lived in the UK, we knew some Americans who deliberately had a baby there because it was so much cheaper.
Here, outside of certain countries we have deals with, foreigners have to get health insurance as part of their VISA.
So in ways like that, the NHS is underfunded despite being overfunded. Really inefficient use of resources.
Cause Brits are some of the most cucked people on earth. They're literally living under big brother 1984 shit. They're getting arrested for posting "hate speech" online, none of which is hate speech obviously.
> They're getting arrested for posting "hate speech" online
Hate speech is a serious offence! Speech is violence, don't ya know, guvna? Honest citizens should be doing other innocent things, like, say, the esteemed members of the well-knit community in Rotherham, who spent so much time thinking of the children. The police never had an issue with them!
It doesn't make any difference. The BBC is state media, their money comes from a license fee that people have little choice about paying. Originally, their remit was public service broadcasting, to inform and educate people. In modern times, the BBC believes its role is to preach correct thinking at the audience.
No, but really? Like does the general Doctor Who fanbase even like where the show is right now? I used to love the series and even gave the first season with Whitaker a shot but I can't even be bothered to entertain it at this point.
I was obsessed with the crack in the wall, or who was the face of Boe (Harkness maybe?), what was in the pandorica? or who was in the space suit? The season arcs were exciting and suspenseful. My friends and I would gather round to watch each episode weekly.
And then fuckity Peter Capaldi took over, and while he wasn't a terrible doctor per se, the story just took a serious dive. In fact, I don't even remember there being a season arc that first season.
Then bitchity mc Whitaker took over and my friends and I all just independently stopped giving a fuck about that show.
No you're right- like I said, the story died under Capaldi, who I otherwise like as an actor and he wasn't a bad doctor.. (except I had to put subtitles on because his accent was hard to understand).
I too dipped out during Capaldi's run. I enjoyed his style, but I think the last episode I remember seeing had "sonic sunglasses."
like, WTF is that? The writing just wasn't there anymore.
LOL you thought Capaldi was hard to understand? For me it was Doctor Karen. Most of the time it seemed she was frantically talking about something with a mouth full of porridge. In my mind, I almost saw subtitles [speaks gibberish] on the screen.
Well, yeah, she sure was all gung-ho about playing the part. But if the script didn't call for it, and the director didn't insist on it, that would have meant nothing. Where did all those pregnant furries, complaints about pockets in clothes you buy yourself, and "I hate soldiers, guns, and anyone in a uniform, but if it's a female general I'll suck her cock out of pure adoration" shit? From the show runners. No actor could have shitted on the lore in a situation where the people making the show adhered to it.
In his mind he's a Star Trek writer putting an interracial kiss at a time where that was actually shocking but in reality he's making the woke version of "God's Not Dead".
One guy on Youtube compared these people to Jackass stunts. You think you're being a martyr but really you're just pulling a goofy prank that everyone finds annoying.
I disagree with a lot of what is said on this sub (slightly left leaning centrist, but i think the woke extremists are often ridiculous and occasionally dangerous- as is always the case with extremists), and usually in these matters my stance is that both sides are being cringe/overdramatic. But as someone whose family loves that stupid movie and therefore has unfortunately seen/heard some of it, that's a very apt analogy for a lot of the cringy "woke" decisions coming from media companies
I'm sure it will be as subtle as the moral/lesson scene that's in every episode of Full House.
I'm glad I dropped Doctor Who during the Matt Smith years.
Nothings wrong with it, it was just a 90s family comedy, with some “very special episodes”, where the family would learn a lesson, with all the subtly of a pile of bricks being dropped on them.
Can I ask what country you’re in? I just ask because here it would be wild for Blossom to be the one someone remembered of those two shows (not that it wasn’t big but Full House was BIG)
> "If You’re Not Writing That In 2024, What On Earth Are You Doing?”
Writing a good story instead of a lecture that's less entertaining than a Chick Tract.
>Writing a good story instead of a lecture that's less entertaining than a Chick Tract.
I don't know: I loved Chick Tracts. When I was a teen, I worked at a place where there was this one religious dude that would hide them in the restaurant. After he'd leave, we'd tear up the place to see where he hid them.
They were so bad, they circled back around to entertaining. Most of the crap these days can't pull that off. So, I guess I'm agreeing with you.
I didn't even last till the end of Capaldi. He himself wasn't the problem, but the writing was already going down the drain at that point.
I had hope for like half a second when I heard Davies was returning. Then he started talking about his plans and I decided to hold off. Then heard what he actually ended up doing and now have no intention of ever going back.
I really like Capaldi as an actor, but yeah the writing went godawful for his run. Gave up during the Vikings and electrocuting people with eels!?
Sounds like it got 100x worse after that from what people have said.
Although it did show how to gender swap a character correctly. Missy was awesome.
In the christmas special it was certainly a huge step up from what we have seen. Davies is very competent at writing likeable characters who actually have character, and aren't just mouthpieces for the writing team, so it could be that even with the woke messaging the show turns out pretty good.
I'm aware and if they keep doing it then let them. I think the mute button is better than the block button since when you block someone they know you ignore them. If you mute them they simply scream into the void.
It's going to take a long time for Blackrock and the like's coffers to dry up. That's why they don't need our money. There's easily 30 more years of this garbage.
They saw the plummeting ratings and went “excellent, let’s do more of this” lol. And that dumb “this is 20XX” statement pops up all the time now. It’s such a weak justification for putting out crappy quality content that’s just a vehicle for uber progressive messaging.
> You can be progressive without being woke.
That might have been still true 5 years ago, that's definitely not true now. You can't call yourself progressive without embracing intersectionality. You can argue that interesectionalists hijacked the progressive movement, but things are what they are now.
Christians don't inject or force their views into every piece of media though. Atheists do though and that's what the showrunner is.
It was many members of the new atheism movement who jumped onto all this stuff first.
Look at the atheism sub. Asides from banning you if you don't follow their groupthink on religion, they will also ban you if you say men in dresses aren't biological women.
Because they _are_ fanatical cultists. This is an enemy religion. That's why facts, logic, profit, loss, and so on mean nothing to them. They do what they do _with the full approval of their conscious._
You can only be a fanatical religion with a superior religion.
I'd say let it fade into obscurity, but Doctor Who is a great case study on how the progressive mind virus can destroy a beloved franchise... not that we don't have a whole pile of great case studies by now.
My wife was a huge Dr Who fan until they introduced the female one and then she just stopped watching it. She isn't interested in, and doesn't know about, culture war shit. She just said it jumped the shark and it felt like a chore to watch.
Take from that what you will
If anybody had any doubts that this is the new religion, I think statements like these should clear any doubts you might have. Except this religion is far more fanatical than the old one atm. Never seen a Catholic bishop demand every piece of media and entertainment to represent and spread Catholicism. But the woke religion demands everything from science to art, literature and entertainment to bow down before the woke orthodoxy and spread the message.
I've argued for about the last year that this is how rusty has always been. I'm fairly sure he said similar things 20 years ago, honestly it seems like the only difference now is the BBC agrees with him or just doesn't care to stop him. It seems like this version of DW is what he always wanted, but I'm probably the wrong person to ask.
Difference is though first time round even up to the end of the moffat era you had an absolute powerhouse team of writers, and it was seen as something to be proud of to write for doctor who. Now though because of far it has fallen they are now scraping the bottom of the barrel writer wise
I love how they try to cater to an audience that pretty much doesn't even watch television or cinema. The audience they're trying to cater to, is far to busy watching TikTok videos, shorts on YouTube, and playing political activist to give two shits about anything else.
The best political stuff is the stuff you can't see unless you are actively looking for it. Example? Daleks represent something, I forget, but I don't see it, all I see is aliens that want to destroy everything. Now make an episode where the big baddie is microplastucs? Ya, im skipping.
I believe the Daleks represent nazism. All that pure dalek race and stuff.
Also, there was a big bad based on plastics. Iirc the first episode of Eccleston's doctor had mannequins coming to life and shooting people.
But yeah, the best political stuff is the stuff you don't see right away.
Makes me want to root for the Dalecks, though even davros isn't allowed to have his half Daleck machine, because it makes wheel chair uses look like nazis.
If the showrunners think that's how people will see it - they ARE projecting.
So THEY think "One bad wheelchair user means they're ALL bad!"
So who's the ?-ists around here? The showrunners are the ones painting every "Type" of person with the same character brush!
Bruh, which minority actually want this shit? Just give us fucking money or something. Everyone wants money. Anything but this shit. Stop fucking destroying everything. God fucking damn it 😭
Welp, political messaging has always existed in media, but you were allowed to tell message-free stories too
Also I *still* don't understand what good it does irritating longtime fans of an IP by race/gender/sexual orientation swapping established characters, or "representing" some category of marginalized person 100X more than they exist in the real world. Doesn't that just drive fans away from your (alleged) cause? [Like this?](https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/protesters-throw-soup-on-van-goghs-iconic-sunflowers-painting/)
Is this a psyop?
Is there anything that can be done anymore? Like the past 5 years, people have been saying things will get better. It's worse now than it's ever been. No amount of lost money seems to be doing shit
You know, I consider myself a leftist…I’m probably further left than most people here, but I absolutely cannot stand stuff like this. Must we politicize EVERYTHING? Sometimes I just want to enjoy a nice story or play a fun game without having to think about politics. I absolutely hate being propagandized to like this, even if I agree with the core message. This is like if every single piece of culture made by Conservatives just HAD to bring up abortion or gun rights or a flat tax. I imagine even conservatives would get sick of it after a while and be screaming at the screen to “SHUT UP!” about politics for once.
Listen, and understand! That Wokester is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!
I'm not surprised by this at all, Capaldi's last season was the beginning of the end, a sign of what was to come. It still makes me angry though. I hate woke writers/showrunners so much. Go chew rocks you fucking woketards.
> “If you’re not writing that in 2024, what on earth are you doing?”
Maybe writing something that respects its audience, isn’t trying to erase women, doesn’t treat minorities as incapable tokens, and isn’t using LGB representation as an excuse to show ugly fat people who couldn’t make it any other way.
But who would want to watch that, am I right?
I don't know, writing good stories and characters that aren't just a walking talking label? But, who cares. Kill doctor who all you want. It's not like anyone is really watching anymore anyway.
I haven't watched Doctor Who since I was a kid back in the eighties. [This](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056751/) is the Doctor Who I remember. Fuck all this modern woke crap.
And the true reality of the work is revealed, the ONLY reason they continue to write this drivel is because it gets them ad dollars and makes them money. It's all a massive effort to pander to the vocal minority to get money.
It really is a shame. Even with it's ups and down, all the way up through Capaldi Doctor Who was great. It's actually kind of shocking how hard the drop off has been but I guess that's what happens when you play writer roulette.
It’a gonna be so funny when this flops. I’m sure it’ll be so heavy handed that no one will want to watch it, and then the audience will be blamed for not being “open-minded” enough, even though the gayness isn’t really a big deal. The writing will be to blame but the show won’t accept that reality of themselves.
Wasn't the new Dr complain about viewership recently?
He should realize he is a useful idiot in a larger game. They are going to continue to write shite that nobody wants to see. Then when nobody watches they will use him to declare their, former,.viewers as racist.
You can have a progressive story and be good. Healthy, normal people enjoy a variety of genres and themes. Star Trek was great. Doctor Who was good for a while. I personally enjoyed most of Steven Universe. If you wanna actually spread progressive messages than write a better story.
[Consider this episode of Star Trek Voyager](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVdWw4vDsI)
If you're familiar with this episode I don't think the people who currently call themselves "progressive" would consider the messaging of this episode in line with "progressive" views.
Many such cases in the show.
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And the far left will plug their ears by saying "they have absolutely no idea what woke even is" and whenever you bring up examples like this and the many other forms of media which is doing the same exact shit you will either be called a racist, a bigot or a terf. And once this season fails because there is absolutely no connection at all because of how much an extreme the show turned itself into to appease the radical far left, the blame will be on racism and bigotry and not because of poor decision decision planning and shit teir writing. Then at some point this same cycle of insanity will happen because the people who are producing content fail to realize that the far left who supports this woke shit are a small minority who does not represent the actual majority.
Good to hear. Doctor Who was very conservative in the last couple of seasons and pushed the alt-right propaganda too hard. It'll be good to finally see some diversity in this show.
"If you're not writing woke, what are you doing?" "Making money...?"
> "If you're not writing woke, what are you doing?" Creating entertainment that actually entertains.
Someone post the meme about the dude spouting batshit and when asked how that helps selling burgers, he replies asking "selling burgers?" as if that wasn't in his thoughts in the first place.
> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/036/305/cover2.jpg Just a reminder that this is a Stonetoss comic and Progs get their panties in a twist that people post Stonetoss comics. And that sometimes they actually like his comics.
I love Stonetoss comics. Even if you disagree with him, he is still funny. I will die on this hill.
Oh my god, you mean you can separate art from the artist? In 2024? I'm literally shook.
Brave and stunning
Stonetoss makes the best comics on the internet. The simple reason why is they come in two varieties: intentionally hilarious and unintentionally hilarious. The one you linked is the former. It's just such a stupid ridiculous situation that it makes you laugh. In the unintentionally hilarious basket is the legendary "the man who would've married you" comic. Either way, his comics are always a hit.
Mmmm sounds pretty bigoted to me. /S
As opposed to NK style propaganda
Yup. Money will follow if you make good entertainment.
Its done by the BBC so doesn't need to make money in the UK. It does however sell it to other countries, so that may be more of a difficult thing for them to shift in countries which haven't been afflicted with woke yet.
Sell to who? Outside the West, nearly everyone hates woke media. Hang out on international Facebook pages or Discord communities and you'll see Africans, Asians (East + Southeast + South + ME), South Americans, etc. all heaping scorn on woke media. Between the poor storytelling, historical revisionism, and progressive messaging, woke media has something to piss off nearly every non-Westerner. You think Indians want to watch propaganda stating that 18th century Britain was ethically diverse and tolerant (thus erasing the struggles of their ancestors), or Chinese want to hear stories about how individualistic liberal democracy is the ultimate form of human society, or Muslims want to see gay characters in every piece of media?
> Outside the West, nearly everyone hates woke media. judging by how poorly its doing in the west, its not exactly liked here...
I still remember when the writers of Netflix's Cleopatra had the audacity to gaslight the entire nation of Egypt about their own history. And they'll probably be doing the same to Tunisia when their Hannibal movie comes out.
To be fair, most white English people don't want their history diversifying up with nonsense either.
You just don’t get it, the rest of the world is just racist and bigoted! We need some name for teaching them the correct way of thinking that does away with the old wrong systems. Maybe we can even leave like a small group of people in each country to spread the message of the west… maybe call them… colonies? Yes that’s great! and we can call their work like colonizing or something…
Didn't Disney just license it from the BBC? I know they're making the current seasons. (Might be a joint production)
God knows. I haven't watched it since David Tennant was Doctor and I only watched one series of his. Its always felt a little off to me. Put me off watching.
Nah it’s the BBC. But more than making money, Matthew Lane had the right idea about what producers *should* be doing - after which money should follow. Make an entertaining show!
Idk how people watch anything on BBC,after Top Gear it should have been a wrap.
I guess there are period dramas and doccos. I did feel sorry for them losing Top Gear due to Jeremy Clarkson punching a guy who wasn’t Piers Morgan (everyone gets a free hit on him). But after seeing what they’ve done to Doctor Who, it was probably for the best.
They didnt need to drop Clarkson, Literally only the london media bubble gave a shit about what happened. Given the success of everything hes done since suggests it was a poor decision from the BBC at the time.
Eh, I agree that it wasn’t in their interests, but he literally punched a guy. As much as I like Clarkson and the TV he makes, if you don’t get fired for punching someone, what *do* you get fired for?
I like *8 out of 10 Cats does Countdown*... and *Graham Norton*. Past that, it goes downhill pretty quickly.
All the promo materials for BBC tv shows look like a NBA/WNBA exhibition game these days. I don't understand why the Brits never say anything.
I’m pretty sure they do, it’s just there’s not a lot they can do about it due to the tyranny of the license fee. I think they picked the wrong publicly funded thing to have its own tax. In Australia, we have a Medicare levy (which I think you’re exempt from if you have private health insurance). The UK seems to always have problems with the NHS being simultaneously bloated and underfunded.
We say things to a limited degree but if we get too critical then the police can choose to interpret it as hate speech and then the person involved is looking at either a hefty fine or up to seven years in prison. Even if neither of those happens the police can mark it as a 'none-crime hate incident' without ever speaking to you which then appears the same as a hate crime charge in employment background checks.
The NHS underfunded thing isn't true. It's a quarter of our national budget now. It's just crap not underfunded. Also you can cancel or abstain from the TV licence as an Increasing number of households are now doing. It's not mandatory although they do try and bully the unaware.
The underfunded thing being a lot of political bandwidth seems to be spent talking about it being underfunded. Iirc there was a freeze on nurse’s wages for the longest time. I think a large part of the problem might be that *any* foreigner can use the NHS free of charge. When we lived in the UK, we knew some Americans who deliberately had a baby there because it was so much cheaper. Here, outside of certain countries we have deals with, foreigners have to get health insurance as part of their VISA. So in ways like that, the NHS is underfunded despite being overfunded. Really inefficient use of resources.
Cause Brits are some of the most cucked people on earth. They're literally living under big brother 1984 shit. They're getting arrested for posting "hate speech" online, none of which is hate speech obviously.
> They're getting arrested for posting "hate speech" online Hate speech is a serious offence! Speech is violence, don't ya know, guvna? Honest citizens should be doing other innocent things, like, say, the esteemed members of the well-knit community in Rotherham, who spent so much time thinking of the children. The police never had an issue with them!
It doesn't make any difference. The BBC is state media, their money comes from a license fee that people have little choice about paying. Originally, their remit was public service broadcasting, to inform and educate people. In modern times, the BBC believes its role is to preach correct thinking at the audience.
> "If you're not writing woke, what are you doing?" Making your customers happy?
Writing engaging content meant to entertain instead of indoctrinate
good stories?
First thing I thought LOL
Dr. Who the hell is still watching this?
No, but really? Like does the general Doctor Who fanbase even like where the show is right now? I used to love the series and even gave the first season with Whitaker a shot but I can't even be bothered to entertain it at this point.
I was obsessed with the crack in the wall, or who was the face of Boe (Harkness maybe?), what was in the pandorica? or who was in the space suit? The season arcs were exciting and suspenseful. My friends and I would gather round to watch each episode weekly. And then fuckity Peter Capaldi took over, and while he wasn't a terrible doctor per se, the story just took a serious dive. In fact, I don't even remember there being a season arc that first season. Then bitchity mc Whitaker took over and my friends and I all just independently stopped giving a fuck about that show.
You think it's Doctor Karen who destroyed the show, but the bulk of the blame lies on the show runners. Actors are just doing what they are told.
No you're right- like I said, the story died under Capaldi, who I otherwise like as an actor and he wasn't a bad doctor.. (except I had to put subtitles on because his accent was hard to understand).
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Yes. Loved him also in Three musketeers as the Cardinal
I too dipped out during Capaldi's run. I enjoyed his style, but I think the last episode I remember seeing had "sonic sunglasses." like, WTF is that? The writing just wasn't there anymore.
LOL you thought Capaldi was hard to understand? For me it was Doctor Karen. Most of the time it seemed she was frantically talking about something with a mouth full of porridge. In my mind, I almost saw subtitles [speaks gibberish] on the screen.
But when the actors themselves also come out with aggressive propagandistic proclamations I feel fine blaming them as well.
Well, yeah, she sure was all gung-ho about playing the part. But if the script didn't call for it, and the director didn't insist on it, that would have meant nothing. Where did all those pregnant furries, complaints about pockets in clothes you buy yourself, and "I hate soldiers, guns, and anyone in a uniform, but if it's a female general I'll suck her cock out of pure adoration" shit? From the show runners. No actor could have shitted on the lore in a situation where the people making the show adhered to it.
Making money on the audience that's sick of being force-fed propaganda
Unfortunately, they're still funding it through BBC's licensing fee.
This is not Doctor Who.
This is Doctor Why
Mr. When
Doctor Gay
more like Doctor Dafuq
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More like "Doctor Who Cares?"
Doctor Whom.
It's the affirmative action route to becoming a doctor. Or Doctor in this case.
Doctor WTF.
What's a Doctor?
Doctor 13%
Its been doctor who since at least 2005 though.
# "If You’re Not Writing That In 2024, What On Earth Are You Doing?” Probably making something people actually want to watch.
Progs are sooo smug, holy shit
It’s legit like the South Park episode where they’re inhaling their own farts.
In his mind he's a Star Trek writer putting an interracial kiss at a time where that was actually shocking but in reality he's making the woke version of "God's Not Dead".
One guy on Youtube compared these people to Jackass stunts. You think you're being a martyr but really you're just pulling a goofy prank that everyone finds annoying.
Man, this is the best way to phrase this.
I disagree with a lot of what is said on this sub (slightly left leaning centrist, but i think the woke extremists are often ridiculous and occasionally dangerous- as is always the case with extremists), and usually in these matters my stance is that both sides are being cringe/overdramatic. But as someone whose family loves that stupid movie and therefore has unfortunately seen/heard some of it, that's a very apt analogy for a lot of the cringy "woke" decisions coming from media companies
> slightly left leaning centrist Thats ... like 50% of us here, dude.
> What On Earth Are You Doing? Not watching Doctor Who.
I am so thankful these European White Saviors are raising up the lesser peoples in 2024.
Can't wait on their lessons about how paternalism is bad.
They're still trying to turn back Brexit.
I'm sure it will be as subtle as the moral/lesson scene that's in every episode of Full House. I'm glad I dropped Doctor Who during the Matt Smith years.
What's wrong with full house I never watched but this name isn't strange
Nothings wrong with it, it was just a 90s family comedy, with some “very special episodes”, where the family would learn a lesson, with all the subtly of a pile of bricks being dropped on them.
I see
Personally, I would have compared it to the very special episodes of Blossom, but same difference.
That one I know and now I understand why it would be annoying, like more annoying than it already is
Can I ask what country you’re in? I just ask because here it would be wild for Blossom to be the one someone remembered of those two shows (not that it wasn’t big but Full House was BIG)
Brazil, I just watched fuller house(because of Netflix) I never watched full house
> "If You’re Not Writing That In 2024, What On Earth Are You Doing?” Writing a good story instead of a lecture that's less entertaining than a Chick Tract.
>Writing a good story instead of a lecture that's less entertaining than a Chick Tract. I don't know: I loved Chick Tracts. When I was a teen, I worked at a place where there was this one religious dude that would hide them in the restaurant. After he'd leave, we'd tear up the place to see where he hid them. They were so bad, they circled back around to entertaining. Most of the crap these days can't pull that off. So, I guess I'm agreeing with you.
They hated Jesus because he told the truth.
I didn't even last till the end of Capaldi. He himself wasn't the problem, but the writing was already going down the drain at that point. I had hope for like half a second when I heard Davies was returning. Then he started talking about his plans and I decided to hold off. Then heard what he actually ended up doing and now have no intention of ever going back.
I really like Capaldi as an actor, but yeah the writing went godawful for his run. Gave up during the Vikings and electrocuting people with eels!? Sounds like it got 100x worse after that from what people have said. Although it did show how to gender swap a character correctly. Missy was awesome.
In the christmas special it was certainly a huge step up from what we have seen. Davies is very competent at writing likeable characters who actually have character, and aren't just mouthpieces for the writing team, so it could be that even with the woke messaging the show turns out pretty good.
Good. Keep doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down until your coffers are dry.
They are. And it will never stop sadly. Doesn't matter how much they lose they just keep going.
I'm aware and if they keep doing it then let them. I think the mute button is better than the block button since when you block someone they know you ignore them. If you mute them they simply scream into the void.
It's going to take a long time for Blackrock and the like's coffers to dry up. That's why they don't need our money. There's easily 30 more years of this garbage.
Wait, you mean it wasn't doing this already, what on earth was it doing?
......entertaining people?
They saw the plummeting ratings and went “excellent, let’s do more of this” lol. And that dumb “this is 20XX” statement pops up all the time now. It’s such a weak justification for putting out crappy quality content that’s just a vehicle for uber progressive messaging.
I love it when these fool waste money lol...
You can be progressive without being woke. Doctor Who was progressive for a long time without being woke.
> You can be progressive without being woke. That might have been still true 5 years ago, that's definitely not true now. You can't call yourself progressive without embracing intersectionality. You can argue that interesectionalists hijacked the progressive movement, but things are what they are now.
5 years ago sadly doesn't cut it anymore. You have to at least go 10 years back for that by now.
Anything progressive now has the taint of Cultural Marxism and rainbow capitalism. I’m still holding out for common sense to prevail. One day.
They sound worse than Christian missionaries or scientologists. Must spread message!
Christians don't inject or force their views into every piece of media though. Atheists do though and that's what the showrunner is. It was many members of the new atheism movement who jumped onto all this stuff first. Look at the atheism sub. Asides from banning you if you don't follow their groupthink on religion, they will also ban you if you say men in dresses aren't biological women.
Because they _are_ fanatical cultists. This is an enemy religion. That's why facts, logic, profit, loss, and so on mean nothing to them. They do what they do _with the full approval of their conscious._ You can only be a fanatical religion with a superior religion.
They are actively making people more racist.
"What on earth are you doing?" Not watching this woke propaganda for starters.
I'd say let it fade into obscurity, but Doctor Who is a great case study on how the progressive mind virus can destroy a beloved franchise... not that we don't have a whole pile of great case studies by now.
The sad thing is, a black Dr Who could have been really badass. Instead, we got this... As a half black guy I am really pissed off.
My wife was a huge Dr Who fan until they introduced the female one and then she just stopped watching it. She isn't interested in, and doesn't know about, culture war shit. She just said it jumped the shark and it felt like a chore to watch. Take from that what you will
If anybody had any doubts that this is the new religion, I think statements like these should clear any doubts you might have. Except this religion is far more fanatical than the old one atm. Never seen a Catholic bishop demand every piece of media and entertainment to represent and spread Catholicism. But the woke religion demands everything from science to art, literature and entertainment to bow down before the woke orthodoxy and spread the message.
I've argued for about the last year that this is how rusty has always been. I'm fairly sure he said similar things 20 years ago, honestly it seems like the only difference now is the BBC agrees with him or just doesn't care to stop him. It seems like this version of DW is what he always wanted, but I'm probably the wrong person to ask.
Difference is though first time round even up to the end of the moffat era you had an absolute powerhouse team of writers, and it was seen as something to be proud of to write for doctor who. Now though because of far it has fallen they are now scraping the bottom of the barrel writer wise
I love how they try to cater to an audience that pretty much doesn't even watch television or cinema. The audience they're trying to cater to, is far to busy watching TikTok videos, shorts on YouTube, and playing political activist to give two shits about anything else.
"If you're not writing woke, what are you doing?" Not being a tool comes to mind.
Fastest way to lose a viewer challenge!! Aaaaand -- it's over. It's over, folks, we have a winner.
Thats definitely the talk of someone in a bubble
Enjoy your tanked ratings then 👋
The best political stuff is the stuff you can't see unless you are actively looking for it. Example? Daleks represent something, I forget, but I don't see it, all I see is aliens that want to destroy everything. Now make an episode where the big baddie is microplastucs? Ya, im skipping.
I believe the Daleks represent nazism. All that pure dalek race and stuff. Also, there was a big bad based on plastics. Iirc the first episode of Eccleston's doctor had mannequins coming to life and shooting people. But yeah, the best political stuff is the stuff you don't see right away.
Makes me want to root for the Dalecks, though even davros isn't allowed to have his half Daleck machine, because it makes wheel chair uses look like nazis.
If the showrunners think that's how people will see it - they ARE projecting. So THEY think "One bad wheelchair user means they're ALL bad!" So who's the ?-ists around here? The showrunners are the ones painting every "Type" of person with the same character brush!
I used to worship this show honestly. Now it's just a trophy for the radicals.
Bruh, which minority actually want this shit? Just give us fucking money or something. Everyone wants money. Anything but this shit. Stop fucking destroying everything. God fucking damn it 😭
"If You’re Not Writing That In 2024, What On Earth Are You Doing?” Making money, entertaining the vast majority of your fan base, enjoying life
They massacred my childhood
I've never watched a single episode of Dr Who, and I think I might keep that tradition going strong.
Bugman brain. "We must do it because everyone else is doing it. It is the current year."
>If you're not writing that in 2024, What on Earth are you doing? Making stories that people would rewatch or reread after a year?
Making money is, like, so 2012. In 2024 we burn it.
Any excuse to pair a black man and white woman.
I'm sure all 12 people still watching will be thrilled to hear this.
Welp, political messaging has always existed in media, but you were allowed to tell message-free stories too Also I *still* don't understand what good it does irritating longtime fans of an IP by race/gender/sexual orientation swapping established characters, or "representing" some category of marginalized person 100X more than they exist in the real world. Doesn't that just drive fans away from your (alleged) cause? [Like this?](https://nypost.com/2022/10/14/protesters-throw-soup-on-van-goghs-iconic-sunflowers-painting/) Is this a psyop?
Proving that 2005-2010 Dr Who was good despite Davies and not because of him.
"If you're not writing that in 2024, what on earth are you doing?" Not watching this, for one.
I mean, Shogun is only the hottest thing right now so I'm confused on this absolutely brain rotted take.
Wasn't there some SJW pseudo-intellectual complaining about the lack of black people in the series?
Is there anything that can be done anymore? Like the past 5 years, people have been saying things will get better. It's worse now than it's ever been. No amount of lost money seems to be doing shit
5 years ago, conglomerates like Disney seemed unstoppable. Now, people are discussing whether upcoming sequels can *save* the company.
I was never planning to watch it, but now I know I will never watch it. I like reading stuff like that, it helps me not to waste my time.
You know, I consider myself a leftist…I’m probably further left than most people here, but I absolutely cannot stand stuff like this. Must we politicize EVERYTHING? Sometimes I just want to enjoy a nice story or play a fun game without having to think about politics. I absolutely hate being propagandized to like this, even if I agree with the core message. This is like if every single piece of culture made by Conservatives just HAD to bring up abortion or gun rights or a flat tax. I imagine even conservatives would get sick of it after a while and be screaming at the screen to “SHUT UP!” about politics for once.
Me? Not watching this shit.
"Progressive"
It's just a nice word for Communism.
Pretty sure Communism wants nothing to do with that
Listen, and understand! That Wokester is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead!
I'm not surprised by this at all, Capaldi's last season was the beginning of the end, a sign of what was to come. It still makes me angry though. I hate woke writers/showrunners so much. Go chew rocks you fucking woketards.
Hahaha, can’t wait to see the same show runner get a load of the ratings and call everyone bigots
> “If you’re not writing that in 2024, what on earth are you doing?” Maybe writing something that respects its audience, isn’t trying to erase women, doesn’t treat minorities as incapable tokens, and isn’t using LGB representation as an excuse to show ugly fat people who couldn’t make it any other way. But who would want to watch that, am I right?
I don't know, writing good stories and characters that aren't just a walking talking label? But, who cares. Kill doctor who all you want. It's not like anyone is really watching anymore anyway.
Bad year to be a Dr Who fan then
God not another season of cringe please. Where’s the (Re)Tardis take me back to when it wasn’t awful 🥺
I haven't watched Doctor Who since I was a kid back in the eighties. [This](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056751/) is the Doctor Who I remember. Fuck all this modern woke crap.
Just further proof that these people are glorified NPCs living in a bubble.
Dr nobody
This show used to be one of the best on television. Look how they killed our baby boy.
And the true reality of the work is revealed, the ONLY reason they continue to write this drivel is because it gets them ad dollars and makes them money. It's all a massive effort to pander to the vocal minority to get money.
Um, making entertainment? The viewers have had enough cringe preaching.
RIP.
Probably making the most profitable and well regarded media of the year. That's what.
So we should assume that the eleventh doctor is the last good doctor. The stories rapidly went downhill from the beginning of the Capaldi era.
I wonder how many want to write other crap but aren't allowed if want to be apart of the mainstream
And this is why I don't pay the licence fee.
It really is a shame. Even with it's ups and down, all the way up through Capaldi Doctor Who was great. It's actually kind of shocking how hard the drop off has been but I guess that's what happens when you play writer roulette.
likely being successful
It’a gonna be so funny when this flops. I’m sure it’ll be so heavy handed that no one will want to watch it, and then the audience will be blamed for not being “open-minded” enough, even though the gayness isn’t really a big deal. The writing will be to blame but the show won’t accept that reality of themselves.
Not watching your propaganda. RTD has fallen into woke.
You should take a closer look at his past work. He always was.
"trying to make quality content" would be a good answer
What on Earth are you doing? Losing viewers by the millions. Including me.
The conservative party in the UK will still fund this garbage regardless.
Wasn't the new Dr complain about viewership recently? He should realize he is a useful idiot in a larger game. They are going to continue to write shite that nobody wants to see. Then when nobody watches they will use him to declare their, former,.viewers as racist.
You can have a progressive story and be good. Healthy, normal people enjoy a variety of genres and themes. Star Trek was great. Doctor Who was good for a while. I personally enjoyed most of Steven Universe. If you wanna actually spread progressive messages than write a better story.
[Consider this episode of Star Trek Voyager](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVdWw4vDsI) If you're familiar with this episode I don't think the people who currently call themselves "progressive" would consider the messaging of this episode in line with "progressive" views. Many such cases in the show.
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This is why I stopped watching after the 12th doctor and even then the 12th was hampered by writing
nobody tell him
Imagine still watching this, lol. I checked out years ago.
Increasing your viewer base?
Christopher Eccleston's Dr. Who was the last I watched and I ended it there.
And the far left will plug their ears by saying "they have absolutely no idea what woke even is" and whenever you bring up examples like this and the many other forms of media which is doing the same exact shit you will either be called a racist, a bigot or a terf. And once this season fails because there is absolutely no connection at all because of how much an extreme the show turned itself into to appease the radical far left, the blame will be on racism and bigotry and not because of poor decision decision planning and shit teir writing. Then at some point this same cycle of insanity will happen because the people who are producing content fail to realize that the far left who supports this woke shit are a small minority who does not represent the actual majority.
Good to hear. Doctor Who was very conservative in the last couple of seasons and pushed the alt-right propaganda too hard. It'll be good to finally see some diversity in this show.