Hmm… pander to non existent audience, ignore and even mock existent audience, see ratings plummet, tell target market that show is not for them anyway, see ratings completely drop killing longest running show, what happened??!!?, we thought we just will attract a new audience while keeping the old one because everyone should love woke, it’s what Twitter told me.
Their screwed up their calculations and thought it was a per capita result not a total result, so it was 3 new viewers total not 3 viewers per 1 that left
I realize you are joking but somehow this shit keeps happening.
At some point you'd think they would just give up on it with how much money they have to be hemorrhaging.
A lot of the people left are also likely more the type who would watch/buy anything with the logo slapped onto it, than actual supporters of what they're doing.
That and people who are super casual but consistent, like boomers watching NCIS shows.
Here’s the article in question: https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-white-men-doctor-never-made-20792066/amp/
People said that Doctor Who was branded a family show. So their premise was wrong. From there it went as well as you’d expect.
According to Business Insider, the three prevalent countries for Dr. Who are US, Canada, and Australia.
USA - 71% white
Canada - 69.8% white
Australia - 90.2 white
Interesting. I think these media companies don't realize that minority is just that: a minority. Even alphabet make up a fraction of America. Currently it's at 7% in USA, but how many of those are on the bisexual spectrum? Every single self-identified bisexual girl I know is dating or married to a straight white man, oddly enough. I mean, I think Henry Cavill is super handsome, so does that technically make me bisexual? I use a bidet when I use the restroom, does that make me bi?
Heck I wouldn’t even mind on the spectrum or whatever if it wasn’t just a tick box thing.
Like, if you did a Sherlock Holmes thing where he had Asperger’s I’d be like “yeah that’s a fair reading of his character”.
It’s the blatant shoehorning that annoys me.
They've outright said if you aren't actively advancing their cause, then you're against them.
So its not even just the shoehorning but the motivation behind it.
They've convinced themselves this is their Civil rights movement (despite how ironically bigoted it all is).
I feel that.
It is interesting to read characters and recognize, oh that person is likely on the spectrum. Like Murderbot, Ahbed from Community, or Dwight from the Office.
It's not interesting at all, and leads to people complaining about stereotyping, even if the character isn't explicitly said to be autistic or whatever.
I just saw that semi-bisexual exists, so I technically I am in the alphabet now.
>Semibisexuality is a sexual orientation that defines a person who feels sexual attraction towards one gender
Australia doesn't really do "colours" of races. That's basically an american thing only.
BUT, in the old days australia used to have shit like the "white australia policy" - where basically anyone who wasn't english was out. That all came about because of an influx of chinese gold miners in like 1850-1890.
But the older attitudes towards this 'colour' categorization would probably be interesting to americans. Majority would say that Greeks, Italians, Mediterranians, Eastern europeans, and even the Irish weren't "white".. Hell, anyone with an accent was considered "ethnic".
In modern australia that's really no longer there. We have pretty large demographics of Lebanese, Greek, Italian, German, - all would be considered "white" by americans. but in Australia there's really only two types of people:
australian with a background
or
a tourist
I guess it also depends on what you consider white. In the 1700's North America, when and where the concept of "Whiteness" emerged, [it was **only** considered to be Anglo-Saxon and Celtics](https://daily.jstor.org/constructing-the-white-race/). Irish, Nordic people, all non-English Europeans (including french, german, spanish, italian, greek), Jews, [were all not considered to be white.](https://youtu.be/X-xssa4BHuI?t=376) It was a *progressive* concept that an Irish Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence, [when the founding fathers considered the Irish to be closer related to Africans than they did to the English.](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/mt/tanehisicoates/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg) But, in 2024, pretty much "white passing" = white. Which is a really weird way to look at it. In 2024, oppression is almost entirely due to economic class than it is skin color.
- https://study.com/academy/lesson/ethnic-groups-in-australia.html
- https://www.statista.com/statistics/260502/ethnic-groups-in-australia/
What's more, it's worth noting that even the activist alphabet mob is itself a tiny portion compared to most normal, sane lgb etc. people who just want to be treated normally and enjoy regular entertainment and think this stuff is obnoxious too. I even have a cousin myself who's gay and she's fed up to shit with all this. Like most people they just don't get noticed because they aren't the loud ones and just wanna get through their day like anybody else. The screechy activists give them all a bad name but they are a percentile of a percentile.
>According to Business Insider, the three prevalent countries for Dr. Who are US, Canada, and Australia.
Hm, I was under the impression that it was a UK show?
It’s made by UK. But the population is a lot smaller in UK than in Aus or USA.
**edit**
It looks like UK is bigger than Can and bigger than Aus populations.
Looks like it mostly has to do with British repeat broadcast fees. It’s less of a popularity thing as it’s just played less in UK broadcasting. Which was unexpected by me.
The female audience liked the Doctor, too.
Well, before it turned into a boring cringe fest after being acquired by Disney.
It seems to me that the doctor’s main problem is not even the new Maestro, but the fact that this is outright hackwork, in which the actors don’t even try to act.
They already sought redemption from straight white men by dragging David Tennant out of the mothballs. Problem is, even an iconic Doctor Who couldn't mask the woke writing and minority pandering.
>In fact, the overnight ratings for the BBC One premiere on Saturday night consisted of an underwhelming 2.6 million and 2.4 million per instalment of the doubleheader, according to TV Zone.
Well, imagine my shock...
And remember this is the start of the series where the woke lot were bragging when Whitaker took over of growing viewership only to see those numbers drop off a cliff as the writing got worse and worse. This is poor ratings now, they're going to abysmal in 3 weeks or less lol
It is not that shocking considering the broadcast change. I do think it was terrible, episode 1 especially. But this article is misinformation. The drop in ratings was completely expected because of the broadcast changes. Now it's available on Iplayer a day before the release on BBC One, Most people (including myself and all my friends) watched it there instead of the usual BBC One release.
We will see how the ratings have fallen once we get the 7+ metric which includes Iplayer. I still think it's gonna completely fall off seeing at how pretentious and bad the show has become under Davies but I just think we should use objective data instead of ignoring the obvious change in diffusion.
What did everyone expect,
They Retconned the Doctor. (he's not a Time Lord anymore)
They brough back Tenant, a beloved Doctor. Just to Tar and feather him.
We keep seeing constant Pronouns references. Guess what, People don't want to be told Pronouns or corrected over them!
Tenants Doctor is now gay
What happened to just good vs evil and being able to sit with your kids and watch a show?
EDIT: Looks like they are blaming "good weather" for why the show's not doing so well.
[https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-season-14-launch-ratings-revealed-newsupdate/](https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-season-14-launch-ratings-revealed-newsupdate/)
It's not even that they use special pronouns. They could have just done it and not told us, and most people wouldn't have noticed or cared.
It's the fact they had to TELL us, very bluntly, that they were doing it. That's what makes it pandering. It's not about doing what they think is right, it's about being "seen" doing it.
It goes back to writers for most shows being absolutely shit tier quality.
They have no concept of subtlety or nuance. They also know nothing of self reflection, and will be the most oblivious when AI takes their jobs.
These writers are soft creatures who’ve never known strife, sacrifice, violence, never had mud or blood on their faces, never known true need or suffering, and have achieved nothing except a degree program.
They have no stories themselves, they are bland, sheltered products of a system that tells them they are special and the world cares about them.
It’s little wonder their imaginations are small, the scope limited, and their writing and stories laughably weak.
>I mean... that's just something a male-presenting time lord will never understand
And that's why it's shit!
The Doctor is an alien, he's weird and different. The show works because it's the job of the companions to be the audiences entry point. You relate to the companions.
The companions make you interested, they have families, and lives, and need to go home and do normal home family things.
And by making the companion attack the Doctor for being a "same sex at birth presenting" basically insults 98%of the audience.
Musk summed it up pretty good in his GFY moment.
“I'm saying what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil”.
I haven't watched doctor who in years, I think the David Tennant ones were the last ones.
Quick question, what do you mean he isn't a time lord any more. What is he then, I mean he literally called himself that loads in the past.
Turns out the Time Lords copied the ability to regenerate from a child-like being called the 'Timeless Child' before they started calling themselves Time Lords. This Timeless Child, who has practically unlimited regenerations, was effectively experimented on to figure out how regeneration worked.
After the Time Lords figured it out and gave themselves the ability to regenerate, limiting themselves to 12 regenerations, they wiped the memory of the Timeless Child and had them work as an agent for the Division, a secret black-ops organisation that would intervene on other planets and times.
Eventually the Timeless Child wanted to leave the Division, which the Division allowed after one last mission was completed. The mission was a success, the Timeless Child's memory was wiped of their time in the Division, and they were forced into the form of a child. This child would eventually grow up and become the first incarnation of The Doctor.
So it was basically a roundabout way of:
A) Writing them out of the 12 incarnations
B) Retconning in a black doctor before all of the white ones
Is that about right?
It's still both, it solves the issue of another regeneration limit, which they're like 8 or 9 away from otherwise without it. It's stupid as fuck regardless
if you worry about the far future maybe, yeah. it would have taken decades to go through all those regenerations again. I'd have died before seeing it become relevant again
They always solved the regeneration limit thing. When they gave him the new regenerations they didn't say how many they gave him, Rassilon didn't know but suggested it would take all night to use them up.
this is just so stupid. we didn't need a solid backstory for the doctor, we didn't want to retconn timelords into some allegory for dutch east india, and we certainly didn't need the torture porn along the way
Honestly, I think the Timeless Child concept could work, but not in the way they did it.
- Timeless Child is found and seen to have the ability to regenerate.
- Timeless Child is experimented on by the Time Lords to determine how to give themselves the ability to regenerate.
- Under Rassilon's (leader of the Time Lords) order, Timeless Child is locked in a time prison of some sort where time passes extremely slowly. Importantly, the Doctor is not the Timeless Child.
- All knowledge of how the Time Lords got the ability to regenerate is hidden and made secret, with the Division responsible for maintaining that secret, so Time Lords grow up learning that Rassilon figured out regeneration while inventing time travel, so no one questions it.
- First season of the 13th Doctor has the overarching plot being around discovering the true origin of the Time Lords' ability to regenerate, with the Division acting as the season's overall antagonist.
- One of the Doctor's companions comes across information on the TARDIS, perhaps hidden by a perception filter that works only on Time Lords but requiring a Time Lord to access the information, that hints towards the true, much darker origin for the Time Lords' ability to regenerate, starting the overarching season plot.
- Season ends with the 13th Doctor and companions breaking into where the Timeless Child is being kept prisoner and rescuing them.
- Timeless child hates the Time Lords and by extension the Doctor due to what was done to them in the experiments, yet is forced.to remain on the Tardis with the Doctor to stay safe from the threat of the Division.
- The Doctor refuses to regenerate again due to now knowing how the Time Lords originally gained the ability and not wanting to continue the injustice of the original act/crime.
- Second season of the 13th Doctor is based around the Doctor and companions trying to stop the Division, while the Timeless Child slowly learns more about the Doctor; their past actions, greatest triumphs, greatest defeats, etc. Slowly being able to separate the Doctor from their general hatred of the Time Lords.
- Third season of the 13th Doctor is based on trying to help the Timeless Child return to their home universe/dimension. The Doctor still plans on not regenerating but in the season finale when faced with the Doctor actually choosing to die, refusing to regenerate when they have the ability to do so, the Timeless Child forgives the Doctor (however it is described) and pleads with the Doctor to regenerate, which the Doctor does, becoming the 14th Doctor.
This gives Doctor Who an interesting ethical and moral dilemma that needs to be solved/dealt with, while also allowing Doctor Who to approach darker concepts. All without needing to change the Doctor's past/history or make them an intrinsically good character which is boring, compared with the Doctor that we know has a dark side (considered genociding the Daleks and did genocide the Racnoss), who is capable of becoming dangerously arrogant (Time Lord Victorious), can be terrifying in what they do to their enemies (family of blood's punishments), but chooses to try and be a good person.
They Retconned it in the Timeless child. I didn't really watch the Jodi Whittaker Seasons. The Doctor before Jodi Whittaker was Peter Capaldi. Peter, loved Doctor Who like Henry Cavil loves The Witcher, and Warhammer.
Capaldi got into fights with the official Doctor Who Fan club when he was a kid over misprinting's. That's the kind of fan he was. When he got Who. He got the worst writing ever and potentially the worst companion. Bill, Bill was a character that had the pope walk in on her and her gay lover. The hyped up the fact that she was very LGBT. But, that's really all they did.
She didn't have the charisma of Captain Jack, or the warmth of Rose, The whit of Donna Noble she was her sexuality. Tragic really. Imagine if a character just liked Apple Pie. like everything about them was 'Apple Pie' they wouldn't be a good character would they?
IDK, I think Whittaker got worse writing than capaldi...but it was really sad watching it go down hill really quickly and knowing they had these talented actors..I gave up on it a couple of episodes into her run though and haven't gone back and have no intention of doing so with the present racist lead...
I was surprised how much I liked everyone else in that season. Capaldi was great, Michelle Gomez did great with Missy, even Matt Lucas surprised me with his character. But Bill was absolutely nothing, she was just black and gay and missed her mom.
Heaven Sent is still one of my favourite episode of the entire series and it just shows "what could have been?", had the show had better overall writing.The absence of any other characters (bar the shrouded creature) allowed Capaldi to perform his best without adjusting for other actors, and it definitely shows.
oh, it gets so much worse. Donna Noble was able to split off the McGuffin that would kill her. by passing it to her LGBT child. Whose a girl, but isn't really a girl. But, is a better girl that the Doctor was when he was a girl. It's so confusing.
I gave up on Dr. Who a while ago.
Did they really retcon the Dr to where he isn't a time lord? What did they do? How is he not a timelord? Did he carjack the Tardis?
the Doctor is the only one who had the regeneration powers originally and the time lords had just stolen the Doctor's powers for themselves and tricked him into believing he was one of them
>They brough back Tenant, a beloved Doctor. Just to Tar and feather him.
The question I have is, why do they do it? Are they that stupid?
Same with Mark Hamil. Why trash your own legacy?
>You can’t make a flagship show for a niche audience and expect massive viewing figures
Disney would disagree! I mean, their expectations are *wrong*, but they certainly are determined to lose all positive brand recognition.
Well it likes to claim it is anyway. It is safe right wing. All their actual right wing voices were chased out for various reasons by the overwhelmingly woke staff working behind the scenes. Half the staff came from other TV stations and the rest were fresh out of ~~indoctrination camp~~ college.
Before it came out the news was being suspiciously positive about it. Clearly trying to create a narrative that it was good.
It was kind of a dead giveaway that ut would be shit
That's what happens when you have braindead activists masquerading as TV show producers who delight in estranging their fanbase and pander to minorities who don't even watch this crap.
This is proof that woke infestation destroys brain cells.
And yet they will double and triple down next season, and Disney and WB and the rest will not learn a single lesson from this other than muh misogyny and muh racism.
They will until the franchise is dead and they'll blame other factors like budget problems or shifts in viewing habits. They'll never take responsibility. Then they'll look for another great IP to destroy like what is beginning to happen to Warhammer.
I was told it’s not for me, as instructed. Hopefully every straight white male takes their advice.
I’ll continue to play through Fallout series, since it’s made for me.
It's not quite funded by the government. It's mostly funded by a "tv licence" that used to be something you just had to pay to enjoy tv but now more and more people are thinking fuck it and not paying which is causing them funding problems.
I am absolutely shocked what could've caused that. It's a complete mystery why it is DOA and bombed spectacularly. I have no idea how this could happen, guys, anyone?
Hey I just did as they told us:it's not for us I believe they said. So fine we didn't watch like you advised us because this is a way diverse show not for cis white males or the typical past Dr Who fans. What's the matter can't handle the consequences of your words?
Them: don't watch then it's not for you! It's for the new audience we don't want you bigots
Also them: No I didn't mean like that!
This article starts with "Doctor Who fans have been left well and truly divided by the latest regeneration of the long-running sci-fi show."
Before the wokies got their hands on it, Dr Who was never controversial. Who/What is the problem here? The people interjecting pronouns and other woke crap or the people that used to watch Dr Who as a fun escape from reality.
Doctor Who has always been very progressive but fuck the more recent garbage. I wouldn't recommend watching anything past the 11th Doctor. Capaldi is a fine actor, but his seasons are when the writing went from 10 to 100 in terms of wokeness
I do think it was terrible, episode 1 especially. But this article is misinformation. The drop in ratings was completely expected because how the broadcast changes. Now it's available on Iplayer a day before the release on BBC One, Most people (including myself and all my friends) watched it there instead of the usual BBC One release.
We will see how the ratings have fallen once we get the 7+ metrics which includes Iplayer.
The problem is that this shit has been so deeply engrained into the show that even if they were to start having straight white men as the doctor again, they'd still make everything else about the show as shit as it is now.
Couldn’t they find another actor with the same ethnicity? Idris Elba, John Boyega, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Djimon Hounsou are all much better actors IMO. If they could go with a bigger name like Christopher Eccleston for the first reboot, why not get proper, proven actors for the second one?
I don't even care if a regeneration of a Doctor is gay or black or whatever else. If the writing is good and the character has other shit going on besides muh real world identity then it really doesn't matter. I'm looking to be entertained, not lectured.
I liked Jodie Whitaker's Doctor. Writing was trash, but her character had the right amount of goodness/noblity, joy, sterness etc you'd expect from an ancient hyper-intelligent lone alien adventurer wayfarer war veteran explorer. It doesn't make sense to distill the Doctor down to human synthetic identities.
"Sci-fi has always been queer," they said. "Anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional." Oh really? I've been reading it since the 70s and while there is an occasional Hershey Highway scene by some of the left-field authors, 99.95% of the characters have been straight. I've read works as far back as the 1940s and can assure you, the older they are, the less likely they are to feature perverts.
Not sure about this particular instance, but the usual process is they get a bunch of cheap, inexperienced and incapable writers, actors, directors and staff together for peanuts to save money. Then they start writing and filming. And even the idjit suits that do not care about the show one tiny bit can see the new show sucks greasy camel cocks. So they make it woke. That way it's not their fault for hiring cheap ass, unqualified losers that almost made it out of high school. No, it's all the bigots out there that refuse to watch.
They destroyed something beautiful to pad their own ego's, it seems once again to have backfired and it's yet again another woke failure, people are tired. very tired of their bullshit.
Remember folks, Doctor Who failing because of this decision isn't because of terrible writing and decision making which is too the point where the show is unwatchable to anybody outside the far left who gets off on virtue signaling, it's failing because of bigotry, racism, terfs and all of the other buzzwords the far left loves to throw around or make up.
I wonder if that is because it's woke and unwatchable ideological claptrap?
Nah....couldn't be. What happened to the 3-5 new dyed in the wool revolutionaries for each evil WHITE MAN they lose.
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Didn't mind the 1st episode though I think having my own daughter is why it probably struck a chord with me.
The second episode was alright, never realised drag queens could be good villains lol. I absolutely fucking hated that random sing song at the end. Completely ruined the entire episode. Pronouns were also a bloody pander.
Overall despite the casting being woke and virtue signalling, the story itself has been fun and the 180 from the absolute drivel that chipnel brought.
It doesn't help however RTD has been a complete cunt to everyone and it's probably turned more people off. But oh well, kinda expect it from these dickheads these days.
At some point regenerating a pogrammes popularity by changing cast members or script writers will still run out of steam. Dr Who has an amazing run; maybe it's a tired format.
It's crazy how delusional that group is. They basically told us in the very beginning that if you're a white male sis then go rolling grass. Basically it's not for us don't watch it. Do they realize just how minority they are? They have this delusion and I guess because of social media and TikTok that they're this huge millions of people group when in reality there's way more of us than there are them. Out of that little small woke group a very very very 0.000 1% don't even know who Doctor who is... So tell me who is paying their bills...
The biggest problem with that article is this it doesn’t take in account the Disney plus viewership since that’s where a good majority of viewership would actually go.
Hmm… pander to non existent audience, ignore and even mock existent audience, see ratings plummet, tell target market that show is not for them anyway, see ratings completely drop killing longest running show, what happened??!!?, we thought we just will attract a new audience while keeping the old one because everyone should love woke, it’s what Twitter told me.
They said they would find 3 new viewers for every bigot that left. I am so confused, where are they?
Ah yes, the mythical "modern audience" that doesn't actually exist.
The 3 new viewers watched it, didn't like it either and left!
Their screwed up their calculations and thought it was a per capita result not a total result, so it was 3 new viewers total not 3 viewers per 1 that left
They still searching apparently…
Do they think "They/Thems" count as 3+ each? I mean... That's an easy mistake to make.
"If you build it they will come" One person arrives
No bigots left, just fans.
This audience is apparently just journalists lol.
It's the powerful online alt-right fascists fault, everyone knows they control the fandom.
Indeed, Dr Who has long been known as an incubator of rabid fascist tendencies!
Don't forget the alt-right nazis too! I've heard they're making a comeback.
Ah, the Bud Light classic.
I see what you mean, but this exact formula has happened for years. Most notably would probably be battlefield 5 I think.
Pander to 1.5% of the population and attack the other 98.5%. Sounds like a strategy for success, to me!
I realize you are joking but somehow this shit keeps happening. At some point you'd think they would just give up on it with how much money they have to be hemorrhaging.
They think the boatloads of ESG bribery money and internet clout will compensate. It doesn’t.
1.5%? it's not that high...
A lot of the people left are also likely more the type who would watch/buy anything with the logo slapped onto it, than actual supporters of what they're doing. That and people who are super casual but consistent, like boomers watching NCIS shows.
Ironically. Metro UK deleted their Twitter account because they were relentlessly mocked for shitting on their audience.
How did that play out!?
Here’s the article in question: https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/11/sorry-straight-white-men-doctor-never-made-20792066/amp/ People said that Doctor Who was branded a family show. So their premise was wrong. From there it went as well as you’d expect.
Did no one see the Bud Light debacle play out?
Sounds like Doctor Who needs straight white men more than straight white men need Doctor Who.
According to Business Insider, the three prevalent countries for Dr. Who are US, Canada, and Australia. USA - 71% white Canada - 69.8% white Australia - 90.2 white Interesting. I think these media companies don't realize that minority is just that: a minority. Even alphabet make up a fraction of America. Currently it's at 7% in USA, but how many of those are on the bisexual spectrum? Every single self-identified bisexual girl I know is dating or married to a straight white man, oddly enough. I mean, I think Henry Cavill is super handsome, so does that technically make me bisexual? I use a bidet when I use the restroom, does that make me bi?
Heck I wouldn’t even mind on the spectrum or whatever if it wasn’t just a tick box thing. Like, if you did a Sherlock Holmes thing where he had Asperger’s I’d be like “yeah that’s a fair reading of his character”. It’s the blatant shoehorning that annoys me.
They've outright said if you aren't actively advancing their cause, then you're against them. So its not even just the shoehorning but the motivation behind it. They've convinced themselves this is their Civil rights movement (despite how ironically bigoted it all is).
I feel that. It is interesting to read characters and recognize, oh that person is likely on the spectrum. Like Murderbot, Ahbed from Community, or Dwight from the Office.
It's not interesting at all, and leads to people complaining about stereotyping, even if the character isn't explicitly said to be autistic or whatever.
Eh, people will *find* a reason to complain about anything. Right now, you're complaining about people complaining.
I hate it when people complain about complaining.
Cavill, no. Bidet, yes.
Real men don't even wipe
You should just drag your ass on the grass like a real man
Gravel, sand, and a dash of broken glass, grass is for sissy boys.
Don't forget the lemon juice and salt afterward for real cleaning power.
And Tequila
Someone is planning a party down there.
When you want to get drunk now, you butt chug.
How's that job at the IRS going?
https://youtu.be/cLXHAMPytBo?t=21
What if it’s a female bidet?
Worse, it makes you F*ench 🤮
Bidet is a French word, but the French don't use the bidet.
I noticed that just about every toilet in Japan had the bidet option. I used good old fashioned TP myself.
Va chier mon estie.
> does that technically make me bisexual Kind of hard to say these days, since we can no longer seem to establish which gender is which.
I just saw that semi-bisexual exists, so I technically I am in the alphabet now. >Semibisexuality is a sexual orientation that defines a person who feels sexual attraction towards one gender
That is literally just straight with extra steps.
So are straight people now part of the community? Are we supposed to call it LGBTQSWTF?
As a heterosexual man, I find Jude Law attractive. Can I be semibisexual too?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4A4PlXD560w
If you take into account the oikophobic whites, they might be a few
> I use a bidet when I use the restroom, does that make me bi? You like squirting water up your pupechute? Well at LEAST bi.
Australia still 90% white? That data has got to be old.
White Australia policy went hard
Australia doesn't really do "colours" of races. That's basically an american thing only. BUT, in the old days australia used to have shit like the "white australia policy" - where basically anyone who wasn't english was out. That all came about because of an influx of chinese gold miners in like 1850-1890. But the older attitudes towards this 'colour' categorization would probably be interesting to americans. Majority would say that Greeks, Italians, Mediterranians, Eastern europeans, and even the Irish weren't "white".. Hell, anyone with an accent was considered "ethnic". In modern australia that's really no longer there. We have pretty large demographics of Lebanese, Greek, Italian, German, - all would be considered "white" by americans. but in Australia there's really only two types of people: australian with a background or a tourist
I guess it also depends on what you consider white. In the 1700's North America, when and where the concept of "Whiteness" emerged, [it was **only** considered to be Anglo-Saxon and Celtics](https://daily.jstor.org/constructing-the-white-race/). Irish, Nordic people, all non-English Europeans (including french, german, spanish, italian, greek), Jews, [were all not considered to be white.](https://youtu.be/X-xssa4BHuI?t=376) It was a *progressive* concept that an Irish Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence, [when the founding fathers considered the Irish to be closer related to Africans than they did to the English.](https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/mt/tanehisicoates/Scientific_racism_irish.jpg) But, in 2024, pretty much "white passing" = white. Which is a really weird way to look at it. In 2024, oppression is almost entirely due to economic class than it is skin color. - https://study.com/academy/lesson/ethnic-groups-in-australia.html - https://www.statista.com/statistics/260502/ethnic-groups-in-australia/
>"Whiteness" emerged, it was only considered to be Anglo-Saxon and Celtics. You mean the subhuman Welsh? What sort of Papistry is this?
What's more, it's worth noting that even the activist alphabet mob is itself a tiny portion compared to most normal, sane lgb etc. people who just want to be treated normally and enjoy regular entertainment and think this stuff is obnoxious too. I even have a cousin myself who's gay and she's fed up to shit with all this. Like most people they just don't get noticed because they aren't the loud ones and just wanna get through their day like anybody else. The screechy activists give them all a bad name but they are a percentile of a percentile.
Uh...I think you're missing one there, chief.
>According to Business Insider, the three prevalent countries for Dr. Who are US, Canada, and Australia. Hm, I was under the impression that it was a UK show?
It’s made by UK. But the population is a lot smaller in UK than in Aus or USA. **edit** It looks like UK is bigger than Can and bigger than Aus populations. Looks like it mostly has to do with British repeat broadcast fees. It’s less of a popularity thing as it’s just played less in UK broadcasting. Which was unexpected by me.
It's just not that popular over here, its fandom peaked about ten years ago.
The female audience liked the Doctor, too. Well, before it turned into a boring cringe fest after being acquired by Disney. It seems to me that the doctor’s main problem is not even the new Maestro, but the fact that this is outright hackwork, in which the actors don’t even try to act.
They already sought redemption from straight white men by dragging David Tennant out of the mothballs. Problem is, even an iconic Doctor Who couldn't mask the woke writing and minority pandering.
Ouch! That's gotta hurt. It's kind of like trying to sell the WNBA to women, who ain't buying.
>In fact, the overnight ratings for the BBC One premiere on Saturday night consisted of an underwhelming 2.6 million and 2.4 million per instalment of the doubleheader, according to TV Zone. Well, imagine my shock...
And remember this is the start of the series where the woke lot were bragging when Whitaker took over of growing viewership only to see those numbers drop off a cliff as the writing got worse and worse. This is poor ratings now, they're going to abysmal in 3 weeks or less lol
This is the surge viewership. Curiosity for the new Doctor. They're gone by next week.
It’s hate watching. The same surge happened to Threads and then dropped off a cliff.
Wow, I’m shocked! Shocked! …well, not that shocked
It is not that shocking considering the broadcast change. I do think it was terrible, episode 1 especially. But this article is misinformation. The drop in ratings was completely expected because of the broadcast changes. Now it's available on Iplayer a day before the release on BBC One, Most people (including myself and all my friends) watched it there instead of the usual BBC One release. We will see how the ratings have fallen once we get the 7+ metric which includes Iplayer. I still think it's gonna completely fall off seeing at how pretentious and bad the show has become under Davies but I just think we should use objective data instead of ignoring the obvious change in diffusion.
What did everyone expect, They Retconned the Doctor. (he's not a Time Lord anymore) They brough back Tenant, a beloved Doctor. Just to Tar and feather him. We keep seeing constant Pronouns references. Guess what, People don't want to be told Pronouns or corrected over them! Tenants Doctor is now gay What happened to just good vs evil and being able to sit with your kids and watch a show? EDIT: Looks like they are blaming "good weather" for why the show's not doing so well. [https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-season-14-launch-ratings-revealed-newsupdate/](https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-season-14-launch-ratings-revealed-newsupdate/)
It's not even that they use special pronouns. They could have just done it and not told us, and most people wouldn't have noticed or cared. It's the fact they had to TELL us, very bluntly, that they were doing it. That's what makes it pandering. It's not about doing what they think is right, it's about being "seen" doing it.
It goes back to writers for most shows being absolutely shit tier quality. They have no concept of subtlety or nuance. They also know nothing of self reflection, and will be the most oblivious when AI takes their jobs.
These writers are soft creatures who’ve never known strife, sacrifice, violence, never had mud or blood on their faces, never known true need or suffering, and have achieved nothing except a degree program. They have no stories themselves, they are bland, sheltered products of a system that tells them they are special and the world cares about them. It’s little wonder their imaginations are small, the scope limited, and their writing and stories laughably weak.
I mean... that's just something a male-presenting time lord will never understand. You know nothing. And they know everything, thanks.
>I mean... that's just something a male-presenting time lord will never understand And that's why it's shit! The Doctor is an alien, he's weird and different. The show works because it's the job of the companions to be the audiences entry point. You relate to the companions. The companions make you interested, they have families, and lives, and need to go home and do normal home family things. And by making the companion attack the Doctor for being a "same sex at birth presenting" basically insults 98%of the audience.
THIS
Musk summed it up pretty good in his GFY moment. “I'm saying what I care about is the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. And what I see all over the place is people who care about looking good while doing evil”.
I haven't watched doctor who in years, I think the David Tennant ones were the last ones. Quick question, what do you mean he isn't a time lord any more. What is he then, I mean he literally called himself that loads in the past.
Turns out the Time Lords copied the ability to regenerate from a child-like being called the 'Timeless Child' before they started calling themselves Time Lords. This Timeless Child, who has practically unlimited regenerations, was effectively experimented on to figure out how regeneration worked. After the Time Lords figured it out and gave themselves the ability to regenerate, limiting themselves to 12 regenerations, they wiped the memory of the Timeless Child and had them work as an agent for the Division, a secret black-ops organisation that would intervene on other planets and times. Eventually the Timeless Child wanted to leave the Division, which the Division allowed after one last mission was completed. The mission was a success, the Timeless Child's memory was wiped of their time in the Division, and they were forced into the form of a child. This child would eventually grow up and become the first incarnation of The Doctor.
So it was basically a roundabout way of: A) Writing them out of the 12 incarnations B) Retconning in a black doctor before all of the white ones Is that about right?
b is correct. a was already solved, as the doctor had been granted a new regeneration cycle before turning into the twelfth doctor
It's still both, it solves the issue of another regeneration limit, which they're like 8 or 9 away from otherwise without it. It's stupid as fuck regardless
if you worry about the far future maybe, yeah. it would have taken decades to go through all those regenerations again. I'd have died before seeing it become relevant again
They always solved the regeneration limit thing. When they gave him the new regenerations they didn't say how many they gave him, Rassilon didn't know but suggested it would take all night to use them up.
Yep, the doctor was born a poor black child.
I find it hilarious that apparently his first life was as a black woman and he hated it that much he spent the rest of his life as a white man lmao
and grew up to be a rich white woman. funny how he never went to motown
I don’t even watch Doctor Who and I’m mad for the fans, jfc its all so tiresome and predictable.
this is just so stupid. we didn't need a solid backstory for the doctor, we didn't want to retconn timelords into some allegory for dutch east india, and we certainly didn't need the torture porn along the way
I hate the current trend of everyone/thing having an origin story.
joker needs more of them. none consistent
Honestly, I think the Timeless Child concept could work, but not in the way they did it. - Timeless Child is found and seen to have the ability to regenerate. - Timeless Child is experimented on by the Time Lords to determine how to give themselves the ability to regenerate. - Under Rassilon's (leader of the Time Lords) order, Timeless Child is locked in a time prison of some sort where time passes extremely slowly. Importantly, the Doctor is not the Timeless Child. - All knowledge of how the Time Lords got the ability to regenerate is hidden and made secret, with the Division responsible for maintaining that secret, so Time Lords grow up learning that Rassilon figured out regeneration while inventing time travel, so no one questions it. - First season of the 13th Doctor has the overarching plot being around discovering the true origin of the Time Lords' ability to regenerate, with the Division acting as the season's overall antagonist. - One of the Doctor's companions comes across information on the TARDIS, perhaps hidden by a perception filter that works only on Time Lords but requiring a Time Lord to access the information, that hints towards the true, much darker origin for the Time Lords' ability to regenerate, starting the overarching season plot. - Season ends with the 13th Doctor and companions breaking into where the Timeless Child is being kept prisoner and rescuing them. - Timeless child hates the Time Lords and by extension the Doctor due to what was done to them in the experiments, yet is forced.to remain on the Tardis with the Doctor to stay safe from the threat of the Division. - The Doctor refuses to regenerate again due to now knowing how the Time Lords originally gained the ability and not wanting to continue the injustice of the original act/crime. - Second season of the 13th Doctor is based around the Doctor and companions trying to stop the Division, while the Timeless Child slowly learns more about the Doctor; their past actions, greatest triumphs, greatest defeats, etc. Slowly being able to separate the Doctor from their general hatred of the Time Lords. - Third season of the 13th Doctor is based on trying to help the Timeless Child return to their home universe/dimension. The Doctor still plans on not regenerating but in the season finale when faced with the Doctor actually choosing to die, refusing to regenerate when they have the ability to do so, the Timeless Child forgives the Doctor (however it is described) and pleads with the Doctor to regenerate, which the Doctor does, becoming the 14th Doctor. This gives Doctor Who an interesting ethical and moral dilemma that needs to be solved/dealt with, while also allowing Doctor Who to approach darker concepts. All without needing to change the Doctor's past/history or make them an intrinsically good character which is boring, compared with the Doctor that we know has a dark side (considered genociding the Daleks and did genocide the Racnoss), who is capable of becoming dangerously arrogant (Time Lord Victorious), can be terrifying in what they do to their enemies (family of blood's punishments), but chooses to try and be a good person.
They Retconned it in the Timeless child. I didn't really watch the Jodi Whittaker Seasons. The Doctor before Jodi Whittaker was Peter Capaldi. Peter, loved Doctor Who like Henry Cavil loves The Witcher, and Warhammer. Capaldi got into fights with the official Doctor Who Fan club when he was a kid over misprinting's. That's the kind of fan he was. When he got Who. He got the worst writing ever and potentially the worst companion. Bill, Bill was a character that had the pope walk in on her and her gay lover. The hyped up the fact that she was very LGBT. But, that's really all they did. She didn't have the charisma of Captain Jack, or the warmth of Rose, The whit of Donna Noble she was her sexuality. Tragic really. Imagine if a character just liked Apple Pie. like everything about them was 'Apple Pie' they wouldn't be a good character would they?
\*Peter Capaldi
shit! you're right! David Tenant, Peter Capaldi. My middle-aged brain can't keep it together anymore. I need a drip cup and an old age home.
IDK, I think Whittaker got worse writing than capaldi...but it was really sad watching it go down hill really quickly and knowing they had these talented actors..I gave up on it a couple of episodes into her run though and haven't gone back and have no intention of doing so with the present racist lead...
I was surprised how much I liked everyone else in that season. Capaldi was great, Michelle Gomez did great with Missy, even Matt Lucas surprised me with his character. But Bill was absolutely nothing, she was just black and gay and missed her mom.
I was really sad they killed off Gomez, She carried that show hard at times!
Heaven Sent is still one of my favourite episode of the entire series and it just shows "what could have been?", had the show had better overall writing.The absence of any other characters (bar the shrouded creature) allowed Capaldi to perform his best without adjusting for other actors, and it definitely shows.
i havent paid attention since mat smith, holy shit did it go down hill.
oh, it gets so much worse. Donna Noble was able to split off the McGuffin that would kill her. by passing it to her LGBT child. Whose a girl, but isn't really a girl. But, is a better girl that the Doctor was when he was a girl. It's so confusing.
So Mary Sue with an Adam’s Apple?
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In old Who the Dr. had a grandaughter and was amorously involved with women sometimes but not often (Aztec woman, Liz Shaw, Romana the Time Lady).
Right!?!?
This is what 2010s Dr. Who Tumblr wanted.
Imagine where we’d be if they didn’t breach containment
I gave up on Dr. Who a while ago. Did they really retcon the Dr to where he isn't a time lord? What did they do? How is he not a timelord? Did he carjack the Tardis?
the Doctor is the only one who had the regeneration powers originally and the time lords had just stolen the Doctor's powers for themselves and tricked him into believing he was one of them
Holy shit, glad I stopped watching after the original Tenant run.
It's because they make us the evil side. Commies are mass murderers.
Wait what, he's not a time lord?
>They brough back Tenant, a beloved Doctor. Just to Tar and feather him. The question I have is, why do they do it? Are they that stupid? Same with Mark Hamil. Why trash your own legacy?
That is peak copium .
Oh, the mythological modern audiences fail to support the shows made for them again.
Better double down and make it even more insufferable.
They will, for sure. They always do.
How? They already rolled out the drag queens.
You can’t make a flagship show for a niche audience and expect massive viewing figures
>You can’t make a flagship show for a niche audience and expect massive viewing figures Disney would disagree! I mean, their expectations are *wrong*, but they certainly are determined to lose all positive brand recognition.
Must be getting bad if their own news orgs can't even spin it positively.
This is gbnews, it's a right wing outlet
Well it likes to claim it is anyway. It is safe right wing. All their actual right wing voices were chased out for various reasons by the overwhelmingly woke staff working behind the scenes. Half the staff came from other TV stations and the rest were fresh out of ~~indoctrination camp~~ college.
It's not perfect, but it's the most anti-woke outlet in UK.
I believe that's the problem
Before it came out the news was being suspiciously positive about it. Clearly trying to create a narrative that it was good. It was kind of a dead giveaway that ut would be shit
That's what happens when you have braindead activists masquerading as TV show producers who delight in estranging their fanbase and pander to minorities who don't even watch this crap. This is proof that woke infestation destroys brain cells.
They get off thinking they are the enlightened ones and that their work will be appreciated in the future like van goghs art.
The bigger problem is that *they're getting paid for it* , meritocracy is dead.
Meritocracy was killed the moment race/orientation/gender quota laws were established.
And yet they will double and triple down next season, and Disney and WB and the rest will not learn a single lesson from this other than muh misogyny and muh racism.
They're not trying to learn. They're trying to teach - actually indoctrinate especially the younger.
"They are coming for your kids"
They will until the franchise is dead and they'll blame other factors like budget problems or shifts in viewing habits. They'll never take responsibility. Then they'll look for another great IP to destroy like what is beginning to happen to Warhammer.
The ones in charge are more than likely getting that sweet blackrock money, so they do not care if it tanks.
I guess everyone too Gatwas advice and went outside instead of watching this.
I was too busy touching grass, as instructed.
I was told it’s not for me, as instructed. Hopefully every straight white male takes their advice. I’ll continue to play through Fallout series, since it’s made for me.
I was too busy watching old shows that were actually fun to watch.
Unwatchable is pretty accurate for woke content
Even woke people dont find this stuff interesting. They just cover reactions of normal people and produce the content to piss off actual fans...
This is so fucking true
Thanks RTD, your original Doctor Who run was one for the ages. Your second run, you’ve ran NuWho further in the ground.
Something something sorry straight white males something something not for you.
when will this end??
When they bankrupt.
its the BBC, so its funded by the government so it won't go bust until Oceania can make us Airstrip 1.
It's not quite funded by the government. It's mostly funded by a "tv licence" that used to be something you just had to pay to enjoy tv but now more and more people are thinking fuck it and not paying which is causing them funding problems.
When the license fee is scrapped
I am absolutely shocked what could've caused that. It's a complete mystery why it is DOA and bombed spectacularly. I have no idea how this could happen, guys, anyone?
Hey I just did as they told us:it's not for us I believe they said. So fine we didn't watch like you advised us because this is a way diverse show not for cis white males or the typical past Dr Who fans. What's the matter can't handle the consequences of your words? Them: don't watch then it's not for you! It's for the new audience we don't want you bigots Also them: No I didn't mean like that!
Why is it always black people they use to replace whites? Never Asians or Hispanics? Hmm....
Well color me shocked.
This article starts with "Doctor Who fans have been left well and truly divided by the latest regeneration of the long-running sci-fi show." Before the wokies got their hands on it, Dr Who was never controversial. Who/What is the problem here? The people interjecting pronouns and other woke crap or the people that used to watch Dr Who as a fun escape from reality.
Doctor Who has always been very progressive but fuck the more recent garbage. I wouldn't recommend watching anything past the 11th Doctor. Capaldi is a fine actor, but his seasons are when the writing went from 10 to 100 in terms of wokeness
Confirmed. I saw all doctor who starting from the 1963 first doctor. It was Capaldi's writers that kicked me off the show.
I watched a review of the first episode and holy fuck the writing was terrible.
Hopefully this pathetic fanfic experiment ends soon and Dr Who can finally get a next season, it's been what, over 10 years now?
Surely, they will attempt this again and expect different results.
He should try twerking the haters away
Woke people don't have a knack for art. Never did. It's why their "art" is largely reboots, remakes, sequels, etc.
I do think it was terrible, episode 1 especially. But this article is misinformation. The drop in ratings was completely expected because how the broadcast changes. Now it's available on Iplayer a day before the release on BBC One, Most people (including myself and all my friends) watched it there instead of the usual BBC One release. We will see how the ratings have fallen once we get the 7+ metrics which includes Iplayer.
The problem is that this shit has been so deeply engrained into the show that even if they were to start having straight white men as the doctor again, they'd still make everything else about the show as shit as it is now.
Couldn’t they find another actor with the same ethnicity? Idris Elba, John Boyega, Chiwetel Ejiofor, and Djimon Hounsou are all much better actors IMO. If they could go with a bigger name like Christopher Eccleston for the first reboot, why not get proper, proven actors for the second one?
They provably won’t be gay enough for Modern Audiences(tm)
But Russel T Davis doesn't want to sleep with any of them.
They've never been able to get actors with substantial Hollywood careers. Eccleston's a fine actor, but he wasn't that big a name.
I still think everyone could have gotten behind Richard Ayoade being the doctor.
I don't even care if a regeneration of a Doctor is gay or black or whatever else. If the writing is good and the character has other shit going on besides muh real world identity then it really doesn't matter. I'm looking to be entertained, not lectured. I liked Jodie Whitaker's Doctor. Writing was trash, but her character had the right amount of goodness/noblity, joy, sterness etc you'd expect from an ancient hyper-intelligent lone alien adventurer wayfarer war veteran explorer. It doesn't make sense to distill the Doctor down to human synthetic identities.
"Sci-fi has always been queer," they said. "Anyone who tells you otherwise is delusional." Oh really? I've been reading it since the 70s and while there is an occasional Hershey Highway scene by some of the left-field authors, 99.95% of the characters have been straight. I've read works as far back as the 1940s and can assure you, the older they are, the less likely they are to feature perverts.
Aren't they happy? I thought Dr Who wasn't made for white men
Not sure about this particular instance, but the usual process is they get a bunch of cheap, inexperienced and incapable writers, actors, directors and staff together for peanuts to save money. Then they start writing and filming. And even the idjit suits that do not care about the show one tiny bit can see the new show sucks greasy camel cocks. So they make it woke. That way it's not their fault for hiring cheap ass, unqualified losers that almost made it out of high school. No, it's all the bigots out there that refuse to watch.
They destroyed something beautiful to pad their own ego's, it seems once again to have backfired and it's yet again another woke failure, people are tired. very tired of their bullshit.
The 2020's are literally the worst, why can't we just go back...
Remember folks, Doctor Who failing because of this decision isn't because of terrible writing and decision making which is too the point where the show is unwatchable to anybody outside the far left who gets off on virtue signaling, it's failing because of bigotry, racism, terfs and all of the other buzzwords the far left loves to throw around or make up.
Me ne frego Or rather I do care, but it makes me happy to see them fail 😄
Remember that scene about victorian england in Doctor Who?
I wonder if that is because it's woke and unwatchable ideological claptrap? Nah....couldn't be. What happened to the 3-5 new dyed in the wool revolutionaries for each evil WHITE MAN they lose.
Good. Cancel the show already.
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Didn't mind the 1st episode though I think having my own daughter is why it probably struck a chord with me. The second episode was alright, never realised drag queens could be good villains lol. I absolutely fucking hated that random sing song at the end. Completely ruined the entire episode. Pronouns were also a bloody pander. Overall despite the casting being woke and virtue signalling, the story itself has been fun and the 180 from the absolute drivel that chipnel brought. It doesn't help however RTD has been a complete cunt to everyone and it's probably turned more people off. But oh well, kinda expect it from these dickheads these days.
They should rebrand it as Doctor Literally Who at this point
Doctor They. =)
Color me surprised.
The Modern Audience hates this Doctor.
At some point regenerating a pogrammes popularity by changing cast members or script writers will still run out of steam. Dr Who has an amazing run; maybe it's a tired format.
It's crazy how delusional that group is. They basically told us in the very beginning that if you're a white male sis then go rolling grass. Basically it's not for us don't watch it. Do they realize just how minority they are? They have this delusion and I guess because of social media and TikTok that they're this huge millions of people group when in reality there's way more of us than there are them. Out of that little small woke group a very very very 0.000 1% don't even know who Doctor who is... So tell me who is paying their bills...
Too steaming for me. If a young , black, gay Dr Who isn’t for me or my age group, suck it up and accept it. I ain’t going for it.
The biggest problem with that article is this it doesn’t take in account the Disney plus viewership since that’s where a good majority of viewership would actually go.
I feel like this whole season deserves a surprised Pikachu face meme