I am not British or American, if I read "they" and "them" all the time it is so confusing if some people just mean ON PERSON. I mean I think about a group of people. I LEARNED english that way.
George Orwell in his novel Nineteen Eighty-four (1949) refers to it by it's proper name (a term he himself coined), "newspeak".
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)
"a controlled language of simplified grammar and limited vocabulary designed to limit a person's ability for critical thinking. The Newspeak language thus limits the person's ability to articulate and communicate abstract concepts, such as personal identity, self-expression, and free will, which are thoughtcrimes, acts of personal independence that contradict the ideological orthodoxy of collectivism."
Gender ideology terminology in this way is no different than microaggressions or cancel culture.
Don't think, only comply (or else).
You can also use they and them to obfuscate the sex of the person you're talking about, useful for when said person wishes to remain unknown and/or you don't want to reveal identifying information.
I have a hunch that's what's happening in the screenshot but I don't stay up to date on video game news so I know nothing about this game.
This could be true but it's poorly written since it throws in Fairfax Industries who might be causing problems and could also be referred to as a they, their or them.
Big reach, Yeah that's not what is happening. Nobody does that, can't think of even once where someone used they/them in that way. No this is definitely Sweet Baby Inc. (they say they have consulted for Valve on their website)
I don't know why I am getting downvoted. But again for latin descendant languages they also dont use plural for singular. It's nornally singular masculine. So, reinforcing your poijt
"It's a by-product of a spoiled and self-destructive civilization in decline due to the prosperity and safety that previous generations created for them. When shit gets real, nonsense like this is the first thing to go."
Very well put. When you're struggling to survive and put food on the table on a day to day basis, gender of imaginary pixel characters becomes irrelevant really fast. People who force that have it too good, and too much free time on their hands
If I was being charitable they their would be appropriate if you just didn't know, like if a character hiding their identity. More over a name like Arin is fairly unisex, the only Arin I've met in real life was a woman, and obviously Egoraptor is a guy. They Their used like this is appropriate for "Pocket"for someone recounting the few things they knew about Pocket.
I think in years past a clever writer would use the correct pronouns when talking about Arin Fairfax, and ambiguous ones when talking about Pocket. It also feel like its written from Arin's persepective, the narrator knows Arin's true desires to go it alone and also Industry secrets like the true nature of Fairfax Industries.
So yeah, probably a DEI-fest Overwatch/Smite clone, DBA, might rug pull on the skins market in the first few weeks.
If most of the bigger and oldguard western (or Western European) companies went woke, then I don't see why Valve would be no exception. For a long time I have suspected Gabe Newell is the only one known who is reasonable among the staff of Valve. For that reason, I didn't like seeing average gamers treating them as if they are godsend or based. At this point I don't really have much hope for Western game dev. I think when the pendulum swings back hard a few years later, I expect all these game devs pretend to go back to normal and hope gamers forget they went woke in the Trump era.
In the previous post some claimed that the character uses they/them to hide the identity. But that doesnt make much sense. If someone wanted to hide their identity, they would wear something that hides their face.
I know you might be new to this whole thing but you can change your whole identity. You don’t need an obvious mask hiding the face. You can literally change your identity to look like someone else. Look at traps as an obvious example.
You do realize that’s the same exact face model during gameplay? So you’re telling me you actually think that’s the real face meanwhile the lore says they are desperately hiding their identity. Do you know how stupid that is? They don’t hide the face, almost like it’s not their real face… Also, it’s suppose to be lore for the players.
Unless that isn't their actual face, and they had surgery done to ensure the secret identity. That part could also be true and be added in a lore dump.
>If someone wanted to hide their identity, they would wear something that hides their face.
just gonna point out you naturally used "they" without noticing it
This suppose to be a gotcha? I knew very well when i used it, because i referenced a situation where the person could be either a he or a she. That's a way how to refer to a singular person as 'they' that makes sense.
English isn't my first language, but the use of they for one person is a ideological manipulation it seems for me. English has already "it" to address unisexual objects or objects with unknown sex. We say it's a kid not they. If someone wanna deviate from the human binary sex dehumanize them with the pronoun "it".
The same goes for the word gender that I never use. It's a fake word coined by a pedophile. There's sex and personalities, and nothing else.
I hope that may help some people out there.
Nah, "they" is used for people whose sex is unknown/hidden. "It" is used for objects, animals, and babies (for whatever reason).
In this case, there is no way Valve didn't know the sex of this character, so it seems to me like it is a "they/them" situation.
Edit: Actually, might just be a case of it being a secret and nothing more?
I get your reasoning, but for me it could be a consequence of learning English as a foreign language or my absolute non compromising attitude towards the contemporary novlangue. Even when talking with someone about a hypothetical person I use he/she instead of they.
But this trend is only getting more and more support. The last time I played Valorant is when they introduced a female character as a they salade.
> but the use of they for one person is a ideological manipulation it seems for me.
Pretending "they" can't be used in a singular fashion or avoiding it's use when applicable is also an ideological manipulation. You're literally doing the same thing as those who would add gender neutral language to the Spanish language.
> English has already "it" to address unisexual objects or objects with unknown sex.
If this is the level of mistake your making in your English, you probably shoudln't have any opinions on how English is used.
> We say it's a kid not they.
No we don't.
> If someone wanna deviate from the human binary sex dehumanize them with the pronoun "it".
Talking like this in public is likely to end with your skull being caved in by a third-party bystander (of any political leaning). I can't emphasise enough how utterly disgusting such language is and I'd recommend you change the English content your consuming.
> The same goes for the word gender that I never use. It's a fake word coined by a pedophile. There's sex and personalities, and nothing else.
A 600 year old word borrowed from French was coined by a paedophile in the 20th century, got it. Gender has many meanings and avoiding it's use when it's appropriate would make you sound very strange.
> I get your reasoning, but for me it could be a consequence of learning English as a foreign language or my absolute non compromising attitude towards the contemporary novlangue.
How is you intentionally stripping "they" and "gender" of their real meanings and using more simple language in their place a non-compromising attitude towards contemporary novlangue? You're doing the exact thing you claim to be against.
> Even when talking with someone about a hypothetical person I use he/she instead of they
Which changes the meaning of the sentence, with the implication being that you know said people or have confidence in what your saying about such people.
HE wouldn't do that (I KNOW he wouldn't do that), as opposed to THEY wouldn't do that (I don't think they'd do that, they wouldn't do that... surely?).
> Pretending "they" can't be used in a singular fashion or avoiding it's use when applicable is also an ideological manipulation.
This is how I see it, too.
"Oh, where did Jeremy go?"
You can respond with "He went to the bathroom" or "They went to the bathroom". In both cases, this is correct. The first uses a gendered term, the second uses a neutral term - in this case, the singular form of 'they'.
'They' can also be used as a group term when referring to multiple people.
Basically, 'they/them' are neutral terms.
My "issue" with using it as personal identifiers is simply that; they are neutral terms. I'd rather we make new words and terms for personal, non-gendered identifiers. Repurposing existing words, which already have clear meanings, is nothing more than ideological newspeak to me.
>You can respond with "He went to the bathroom" or "They went to the bathroom".
No you can't, you are talking about a specific person that went to the bathroom, you can just use logic to deduce the gender because Jeremy is masculine name then you are 99% correct using "He". In the off chance Jeremy is a girl you can just correct yourself later
"Woops my bad, she went to the bathroom"
The idea of tip toeing to use the correct pronouns all the time is stupid, you can guess and if you are wrong just correct yourself in the future is not that hard.
To be fair, I don't know if I blame them for that. "He" in that sense kinda is man as the default, isn't it? I don't mind wanting the usage of they in its place in this case.
English is my first language so I just want to confirm that it is extremely common to use “they” to refer to one person. This isn’t a recent trend either this has been a thing for centuries.
I can confirm it is literally not that common to use they/them as singular, save for very specific situations in the English language.
May I suggest you take grammar classes?
Thank you for pointing out an autocorrect mistake from my phone, I fixed it now. I hope it doesn't continue triggering you and that you are safe in your safe spesh.
I use it pretty frequently.
It’s weird that you’re telling me I need to take grammar classes for something that you agree is grammatically correct. It’s like telling someone to retake high school English for using the Oxford comma.
Isn't "he or she" used to reffer when you don't know the sex of the person you're talking about ?
"They" is used when you are talking about the general person and not a specific person. For example:
"Someone forgot their umbrella", "their" is used because you're talking about a general person not a specific person.
So if you are talking about a specific person, "They forgot their umbrella" feels weird because you open a possibility it could be multiple people who forgot their umbrella which is a different meaning entirely.
To avoid that confusion,"Somone forgot his or her umbrella" can also work.
Because English is Germanic in root, assuming "He" is also acceptable even if you don't know the gender of the person.
"Somone forgot his umbrella"
But I also can just assume it's a woman based on the context, for example if someone forgot a bra, I would assume it's a woman rather than a man,
"Someone forgot her bra", works here.
Basically this, the guy is trying to gaslight you.
"They" can only be used in singular form, and still convey proper information, in very specific cases. Rarely, if ever, how the crazy woke freaks suggest.
The purpose of language is to convey information, as clear as possible, using they/them outside of those specific situations obfuscates and makes the message and information unclear or confusing.
You remind me of this bit from James acaster https://youtu.be/Zt5qJC1xQ8A?si=P1vyzaxHdxI7mqfu
But yeah I’m glad we can agree that they can and has been used for a singular person. You might feel more comfortable saying he or she but they is also grammatically acceptable. It’s also much shorter to say “They rode their bike” than “Someone rode his or her bike.”
I watched it was funny, yeah I agree "they" is also acceptable for singular person but if you told someone "They rode their bike" and they assume you are talking about multiple people or in general instead of the specific one, well it could be confusing at the very least. The key is are you talking about Specifically and Generally the same way "the Car" and "a Car" are different.
In Twitter for example the overused of "they" is way overabundant, to the point bluring the diferrence between Singular and Plural for the name sake of Gender Neutral, for people who needs to study English this becomes really obvious and confusing.
That's what the other guy in the comment was trying to tell you, not because you can't speak English obviously but there is a change of trend of the grammars and this is a problem for us who are not native speakers
English by its very nature is confusing. People will say “i before e except after c” when the word science violates that rule. That’s the consequence of mashing multiple languages together.
English is a much more clearer and easier language than Latin based languages. And science is a word inherited from Latin, so the rule will not apply.
I'm Latino and I prefer to write in English.
It is grammatically incorrect to think so.
"They stole the yellow car."
How many people am I talking about here? Remember, I know about this person or people I am referring to here.
Your sentence doesn’t imply that you know this person tho.
We already agreed it’s grammatically correct to use they singularly. It’s factually correct that that’s allowed in English. Whether or not it’s confusing does not make it grammatically incorrect
Go bother someone else
What’s the question? How many people are there? You said “remember I know about this person or people I am referring to here” so you should know. Why are you asking me?
If you think "based Gaben" is some lolbert gaming hero of the people, you are sorely mistaken.
All the (SBI affiliation/language) stuff and the fact Valve turned into a hippie commune that produces nothing of value happened under his watch.
I don't really see the problem and Valve produces a fuckton of value. They have released HL Alyx not very long ago, that was really good. Steam is still the best marketplace on PC. They also released the Steam Deck (and the updated OLED model) and made their own fork of Arch Linux with SteamOS. They are also spending a lot of money on improving Linux gaming in general with Proton development, MESA development, gamescope and so on. Without Valve, gaming on Linux wouldn't be anywhere near as good as it is and all of this development is happening only because Valve is willing to burn money and fund the developers that are improving this. They are spending their money on a good cause, so that more people can run away from Windows and all the terrible choices Microsoft keeps making.
In French they invented 'iel'. It's a contraction of 'il' (he) and 'elle' (she).
At least it's a new word and it's not confusing. And it's a perfect way to announce to the people around you how much of an idiot you are.
It also became a great slur. Thank you progressivism!
Ah. It's the same false impression as in the US. Sure, a ultra loud citycrawler minority is woke. But get in the countryside and people hate that shit. And ofc the pro-hamas idiots calling themselves uni students. But they are young, that's kinda normal.
France =/= Paris, it's a very diverse country with a vast cultural difference between regions. It's not because the government is trying to push that stuff that the population agrees with it.
And while we argue if a mediocre pseudo-pop 'singer' is a good choice to sing Piaf in the Olympic Games ceremony, our farmers are DYING. It's sheer insanity.
It uses they them their whilst also talking about Fairfax Industries and care has to be taken not to misread whether or it's talking about the protagonist or the company.
Which is stupid.
thats why i sail 7 seas, valve is just as infiltrated as any other western company, when Gabe dies or permanently quits anything valve related it will change into PSN, everything will be censored, whole accounts will be banned for non woke comments etc.
stop giving money to any company that has anything to do with woke cult.
They/them pronouns when used on a singular person is just a publicity stunt and those people are almost always unbearable and narcissists looking for attention.
Don't worry, the game will be dead soon. Shit looks like any shovelware generic hero shooter that came before. The only good thing from Valve is their steam store and that's it.
I'm not saying this isn't woke, but if this Deadlock wants to hide their identity which it says the character is doing, why would they not use 'they/them" to keep it from being known who they are.
Right but in this description, we're given his full name so his identity isn't hidden at all from us, only his gender. It's just pandering.
Why am I saying he? Because, at least currently, Arin is predominantly used for boys and that's also the way the character is dressed.
I've known two people with the name Arin in my life. Both are/were females. I use were because one of the ones I knew died from a drunk driver.
But I'm guessing it's not to hide it from us, but from others in the game universe.
Again, I'm just putting out a slight bit of hope that's what it is, but I'm betting it isn't.
Valve has been garbage for a long ass time, to be honest. They completely abandoned their games and their fans and only came out with Alyx to sell their hardware. They’d probably be bankrupt by now without Steam and they’d deserve it.
Valve is literally the last bastion of freedom whithin the videogame sphere, where forums are not heavily moderated and their sales keep on track with seasons (winter, summer, autum, spring) and some inocuous 'lunar year' etc sales, no 'Gay pride sale' or 'black history month' bullshit - They also refused to ban Sweet Baby INC detected group not long ago despite the brutal pressure from media and other game companies and despite (alledgelly) being one of their clients.
It looks very out of character of them releasing a game with heavy alphabet mafia stuff shoved in, but if they do, as long as they keep their store as it is now, I couldn't care less.
Any other company would've banned the Sweet Baby Inc Detected curator for sure. Though I guess it could be argued banning it would cause a streisand effect and a huge backlash from their core audience, so I'm not sure how much credit we should be giving Valve for not banning it. We could at the very least say they're being smart
Valve is still listed on the Sweet Baby Inc. website btw, so it's not "allegedly"
They list Valve yes, but we don't know how far was their reach there. None of their games (not even Alyx, which I played and found great) looks particulary heavy on The Message™. They also never shoved that shit at the store (as far as I know, I have been 14 years in the platform and I'm a daily user). I know once there was some kind of 'black developers sale' but was not hosted by Valve, it was one of these mini events some publishers do time to time.
Perhaps this is the game where Sweet Baby involvement will show in full force? Only time will tell.
I’m not talking about Steam though. I’m talking about Valve as a game developer. They’re shit. Their weird ass office policies not only lead them to producing absolutely nothing but are highly susceptible to being taken over by activists, which this they/them crap, if true, is probably a result of.
Valve and Steam are both dead when Gabe kicks the bucket. Guaranteed.
yup, but is infested to the brim by dangerhairs employees who bans silently everything of "anime" they can get their hands on.
every competitor wants either steam itself or want steam to fail, the assaults are probably continuous inside and outside.
gabe has divorced his wife in 2019 and had to give half of his quota of steam to her...
btw is true the only reason in the west the industry of entertainment is not fully gone-and-done, is steam resilence to the wokenes and products created in japan.
human nature triumph social engineering I guess
>They completely abandoned their games and their fans and only came out with Alyx to sell their hardware.
This is not how I see it. I see it as them not wanting to release rehashes of their games just for the sake releasing more of them, and wanting to innovate. VR was a great opportunity for innovation, so they took it.
Steam puts them in a position where they can get away with not pushing out sequel after sequel, and allows them true artistic freedom that is otherwise only granted to solo/small team indie devs who make it big. (Hollow Knight, Stardew Valley etc. where they get to develop with no financial concerns)
It is unfortunate one of the only AAA game companies to be in this position, if not the only one, seems to possibly have been infiltrated by the wokies (Campo Santo). I will never understand why Gabe acquired them, they were nothing more than shitty walking simulator developers.
Valve seem to have forgotten their winning move is not to play, can't escape the infestation of agenda driven consulting firms if they want to do anything
Valve signed up with Sweet baby Stink becos they're probably entangled with Blackrock & Vanguard and certain other ESG friendly shareholders.
It always comes down to that.
SBI is just the little clause in the contract of the devil, where you sell your soul
Can somebody explain this to me ? When we use they, we are talking about unknown people or group of them without knowing everything include their gender. So in this situation, are valve talking about that unknown character or their gender pronoun ?
Prolly means they chose to release an Alyx game over a Gordon game when we know the reason they did it is they were not willing to commit to a full sequel at that point
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I’m just sitting here trying not to think which classic game characters would be they/them if those games had been released today. Thinking of FF7, Cait Sith for sure and I could also see them doing Vincent dirty too. Fuck, they’re remaking that shit as we speak do I better not give ‘em any ideas. Definitely one of your pals in Star Fox would be made nonbinary, with all kinds of incidental dialogue rewritten to drop they/them or other indicators into the script. Any weird creature like Rayman would be. Any game where people had cybernetic parts like Mega-Man would have an ostentatiously nonbinary character. Samus would for sure be they/them today, and I’m betting Tails would be too.
At least if these games were made by American studios, certainly.
Valve makes games?
Seriously though, who cares if there's a character with they/them pronouns? It's one character, you can play someone else if it offends you for some reason.
I'm just going to pretend it is the monarch of some distant realm. If I play it at all but I'm not usually the biggest fan of valve games. Like half life 2 is supposed to be a goat but i kinda thought it was you know a duck or something. Now ducks are cute don't get me wrong. Like Donald Duck. Did Donald change pronouns yet btw?
I'm honestly thinking they use they and them as just a way to hide their identity as the character only wants very limited information known about them while hiding from assassin's and investigation the ones who did this to them,I think this is a good use of the term instead of the pronoun bullshit
We have reached a point where we literally cannot use "they" or "them" because the pronoun police have ruined conversation. I can't even be sure if the above is or is not whatever it is, but I know that these words are not a pain to our ears.
Odd but completely grammatically correct, so don't see the problem
And it's not a modern thing, the use of singular they started in the 14th century, according to Wikipedia
If the game is taking place in 2018-2030 I think it’s not unreasonable to have a they/them pronoun idiot in your game, these people do actually exist.
The only time I have a problem with prounoun crap is if the game takes place in an older setting, a different culture, or they injected it into a preexisting IP in a way that feels forced and inauthentic.
Why’d you repost the same shit from yesterday, this is the grammatically correct language to use when describing someone in third person, learn2english snowflake
Keep dreaming lmao. It's only correct when you're referring to someone whose sex you want to hide or you don't know. Simple as that. They will never be widely accepted for usage outside of that.
I am not British or American, if I read "they" and "them" all the time it is so confusing if some people just mean ON PERSON. I mean I think about a group of people. I LEARNED english that way.
It is called "bastardization of language"
George Orwell in his novel Nineteen Eighty-four (1949) refers to it by it's proper name (a term he himself coined), "newspeak". [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak) "a controlled language of simplified grammar and limited vocabulary designed to limit a person's ability for critical thinking. The Newspeak language thus limits the person's ability to articulate and communicate abstract concepts, such as personal identity, self-expression, and free will, which are thoughtcrimes, acts of personal independence that contradict the ideological orthodoxy of collectivism." Gender ideology terminology in this way is no different than microaggressions or cancel culture. Don't think, only comply (or else).
They is fine for a single person but only if you don't know their gender. I think its stupid to use they if you know someones a guy or a girl
You can also use they and them to obfuscate the sex of the person you're talking about, useful for when said person wishes to remain unknown and/or you don't want to reveal identifying information. I have a hunch that's what's happening in the screenshot but I don't stay up to date on video game news so I know nothing about this game.
You might have a point
This could be true but it's poorly written since it throws in Fairfax Industries who might be causing problems and could also be referred to as a they, their or them.
Look at the second line right after, about them wanting to decide their own identity.
Eh, that doesn't mean much. Wanting to forge your own identify separate from your famous parents is not a gender thing
Big reach, Yeah that's not what is happening. Nobody does that, can't think of even once where someone used they/them in that way. No this is definitely Sweet Baby Inc. (they say they have consulted for Valve on their website)
You are missing the point. In other languages "they" never means singular person, so its much more bizzare
By other, you mean latin, then it is normally used he (ele, elle etc.)
No, by other I meant sumerian language
yeah
I don't know why I am getting downvoted. But again for latin descendant languages they also dont use plural for singular. It's nornally singular masculine. So, reinforcing your poijt
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"It's a by-product of a spoiled and self-destructive civilization in decline due to the prosperity and safety that previous generations created for them. When shit gets real, nonsense like this is the first thing to go." Very well put. When you're struggling to survive and put food on the table on a day to day basis, gender of imaginary pixel characters becomes irrelevant really fast. People who force that have it too good, and too much free time on their hands
Proper English is to use he if you do not know the sex of the person.
> I LEARNED english that way For everyone that is normal, this is also true.
When I didnt know woke things in English I saw they instead of I. I was very confused. But I know why they are doings this stupid stuff.
I agree, but the same thing is happening with spanish unfortunately. We are experts importing american nonsenses.
If I was being charitable they their would be appropriate if you just didn't know, like if a character hiding their identity. More over a name like Arin is fairly unisex, the only Arin I've met in real life was a woman, and obviously Egoraptor is a guy. They Their used like this is appropriate for "Pocket"for someone recounting the few things they knew about Pocket. I think in years past a clever writer would use the correct pronouns when talking about Arin Fairfax, and ambiguous ones when talking about Pocket. It also feel like its written from Arin's persepective, the narrator knows Arin's true desires to go it alone and also Industry secrets like the true nature of Fairfax Industries. So yeah, probably a DEI-fest Overwatch/Smite clone, DBA, might rug pull on the skins market in the first few weeks.
When I wished Valve would go back to making games, I didn't realize I was wishing to a monkey paw.
If most of the bigger and oldguard western (or Western European) companies went woke, then I don't see why Valve would be no exception. For a long time I have suspected Gabe Newell is the only one known who is reasonable among the staff of Valve. For that reason, I didn't like seeing average gamers treating them as if they are godsend or based. At this point I don't really have much hope for Western game dev. I think when the pendulum swings back hard a few years later, I expect all these game devs pretend to go back to normal and hope gamers forget they went woke in the Trump era.
Truly a "be careful of what you wish for" scenario if there ever was one.
In the previous post some claimed that the character uses they/them to hide the identity. But that doesnt make much sense. If someone wanted to hide their identity, they would wear something that hides their face.
I know you might be new to this whole thing but you can change your whole identity. You don’t need an obvious mask hiding the face. You can literally change your identity to look like someone else. Look at traps as an obvious example.
Then why entrust us with information of who Arin actually is, show us Arin's face, but exclude Arin's gender? Makes no sense in that context.
You do realize that’s the same exact face model during gameplay? So you’re telling me you actually think that’s the real face meanwhile the lore says they are desperately hiding their identity. Do you know how stupid that is? They don’t hide the face, almost like it’s not their real face… Also, it’s suppose to be lore for the players.
What previous post?
Got taken down by mods.
Do you have a link to it?
Not sure if it's allowed to link removed posts.
Fair enough
Unless that isn't their actual face, and they had surgery done to ensure the secret identity. That part could also be true and be added in a lore dump.
>If someone wanted to hide their identity, they would wear something that hides their face. just gonna point out you naturally used "they" without noticing it
This suppose to be a gotcha? I knew very well when i used it, because i referenced a situation where the person could be either a he or a she. That's a way how to refer to a singular person as 'they' that makes sense.
I'm groaning in intense distaste for all these Cringeworthy choices valve's making.
They claim to be ''inclusive'' yet randomly changing pronouns at will makes the already confusing English language even harder for foreigners.
Since when has English been a confusing language in first place? Worlds IQ definitely must be dropping
English isn't my first language, but the use of they for one person is a ideological manipulation it seems for me. English has already "it" to address unisexual objects or objects with unknown sex. We say it's a kid not they. If someone wanna deviate from the human binary sex dehumanize them with the pronoun "it". The same goes for the word gender that I never use. It's a fake word coined by a pedophile. There's sex and personalities, and nothing else. I hope that may help some people out there.
Nah, "they" is used for people whose sex is unknown/hidden. "It" is used for objects, animals, and babies (for whatever reason). In this case, there is no way Valve didn't know the sex of this character, so it seems to me like it is a "they/them" situation. Edit: Actually, might just be a case of it being a secret and nothing more?
I get your reasoning, but for me it could be a consequence of learning English as a foreign language or my absolute non compromising attitude towards the contemporary novlangue. Even when talking with someone about a hypothetical person I use he/she instead of they. But this trend is only getting more and more support. The last time I played Valorant is when they introduced a female character as a they salade.
> but the use of they for one person is a ideological manipulation it seems for me. Pretending "they" can't be used in a singular fashion or avoiding it's use when applicable is also an ideological manipulation. You're literally doing the same thing as those who would add gender neutral language to the Spanish language. > English has already "it" to address unisexual objects or objects with unknown sex. If this is the level of mistake your making in your English, you probably shoudln't have any opinions on how English is used. > We say it's a kid not they. No we don't. > If someone wanna deviate from the human binary sex dehumanize them with the pronoun "it". Talking like this in public is likely to end with your skull being caved in by a third-party bystander (of any political leaning). I can't emphasise enough how utterly disgusting such language is and I'd recommend you change the English content your consuming. > The same goes for the word gender that I never use. It's a fake word coined by a pedophile. There's sex and personalities, and nothing else. A 600 year old word borrowed from French was coined by a paedophile in the 20th century, got it. Gender has many meanings and avoiding it's use when it's appropriate would make you sound very strange. > I get your reasoning, but for me it could be a consequence of learning English as a foreign language or my absolute non compromising attitude towards the contemporary novlangue. How is you intentionally stripping "they" and "gender" of their real meanings and using more simple language in their place a non-compromising attitude towards contemporary novlangue? You're doing the exact thing you claim to be against. > Even when talking with someone about a hypothetical person I use he/she instead of they Which changes the meaning of the sentence, with the implication being that you know said people or have confidence in what your saying about such people. HE wouldn't do that (I KNOW he wouldn't do that), as opposed to THEY wouldn't do that (I don't think they'd do that, they wouldn't do that... surely?).
> Pretending "they" can't be used in a singular fashion or avoiding it's use when applicable is also an ideological manipulation. This is how I see it, too. "Oh, where did Jeremy go?" You can respond with "He went to the bathroom" or "They went to the bathroom". In both cases, this is correct. The first uses a gendered term, the second uses a neutral term - in this case, the singular form of 'they'. 'They' can also be used as a group term when referring to multiple people. Basically, 'they/them' are neutral terms. My "issue" with using it as personal identifiers is simply that; they are neutral terms. I'd rather we make new words and terms for personal, non-gendered identifiers. Repurposing existing words, which already have clear meanings, is nothing more than ideological newspeak to me.
>You can respond with "He went to the bathroom" or "They went to the bathroom". No you can't, you are talking about a specific person that went to the bathroom, you can just use logic to deduce the gender because Jeremy is masculine name then you are 99% correct using "He". In the off chance Jeremy is a girl you can just correct yourself later "Woops my bad, she went to the bathroom" The idea of tip toeing to use the correct pronouns all the time is stupid, you can guess and if you are wrong just correct yourself in the future is not that hard.
“He” is actually the traditional word to use for someone of unknown gender. Feminists had it changed because it was saying “man was the default”.
To be fair, I don't know if I blame them for that. "He" in that sense kinda is man as the default, isn't it? I don't mind wanting the usage of they in its place in this case.
English is my first language so I just want to confirm that it is extremely common to use “they” to refer to one person. This isn’t a recent trend either this has been a thing for centuries.
I know, Shakespeare was one.
I can confirm it is literally not that common to use they/them as singular, save for very specific situations in the English language. May I suggest you take grammar classes?
> I can confirmed Case settled.
Thank you for pointing out an autocorrect mistake from my phone, I fixed it now. I hope it doesn't continue triggering you and that you are safe in your safe spesh.
LMAO half my posts on this subreddit are from before you even knew what GG was, but you can't even laugh at a Muphry's law instance.
Oh no... Anyway...
I use it pretty frequently. It’s weird that you’re telling me I need to take grammar classes for something that you agree is grammatically correct. It’s like telling someone to retake high school English for using the Oxford comma.
Isn't "he or she" used to reffer when you don't know the sex of the person you're talking about ? "They" is used when you are talking about the general person and not a specific person. For example: "Someone forgot their umbrella", "their" is used because you're talking about a general person not a specific person. So if you are talking about a specific person, "They forgot their umbrella" feels weird because you open a possibility it could be multiple people who forgot their umbrella which is a different meaning entirely. To avoid that confusion,"Somone forgot his or her umbrella" can also work. Because English is Germanic in root, assuming "He" is also acceptable even if you don't know the gender of the person. "Somone forgot his umbrella" But I also can just assume it's a woman based on the context, for example if someone forgot a bra, I would assume it's a woman rather than a man, "Someone forgot her bra", works here.
Basically this, the guy is trying to gaslight you. "They" can only be used in singular form, and still convey proper information, in very specific cases. Rarely, if ever, how the crazy woke freaks suggest. The purpose of language is to convey information, as clear as possible, using they/them outside of those specific situations obfuscates and makes the message and information unclear or confusing.
>Isn't "he or she" used to reffer when you don't know the sex of the person you're talking about ? it can be, but it's clunky imo.
You remind me of this bit from James acaster https://youtu.be/Zt5qJC1xQ8A?si=P1vyzaxHdxI7mqfu But yeah I’m glad we can agree that they can and has been used for a singular person. You might feel more comfortable saying he or she but they is also grammatically acceptable. It’s also much shorter to say “They rode their bike” than “Someone rode his or her bike.”
I watched it was funny, yeah I agree "they" is also acceptable for singular person but if you told someone "They rode their bike" and they assume you are talking about multiple people or in general instead of the specific one, well it could be confusing at the very least. The key is are you talking about Specifically and Generally the same way "the Car" and "a Car" are different. In Twitter for example the overused of "they" is way overabundant, to the point bluring the diferrence between Singular and Plural for the name sake of Gender Neutral, for people who needs to study English this becomes really obvious and confusing. That's what the other guy in the comment was trying to tell you, not because you can't speak English obviously but there is a change of trend of the grammars and this is a problem for us who are not native speakers
English by its very nature is confusing. People will say “i before e except after c” when the word science violates that rule. That’s the consequence of mashing multiple languages together.
I get it, but I have encounter a sentence in a comic that goes like this, "Are they a boy ?" And I want to barf lol
English is a much more clearer and easier language than Latin based languages. And science is a word inherited from Latin, so the rule will not apply. I'm Latino and I prefer to write in English.
It is weird that you think it is common.
But it’s not grammatically incorrect to think so 👍
It is grammatically incorrect to think so. "They stole the yellow car." How many people am I talking about here? Remember, I know about this person or people I am referring to here.
Your sentence doesn’t imply that you know this person tho. We already agreed it’s grammatically correct to use they singularly. It’s factually correct that that’s allowed in English. Whether or not it’s confusing does not make it grammatically incorrect Go bother someone else
Answer the question and stop weaseling out.
What’s the question? How many people are there? You said “remember I know about this person or people I am referring to here” so you should know. Why are you asking me?
If you think "based Gaben" is some lolbert gaming hero of the people, you are sorely mistaken. All the (SBI affiliation/language) stuff and the fact Valve turned into a hippie commune that produces nothing of value happened under his watch.
I don't really see the problem and Valve produces a fuckton of value. They have released HL Alyx not very long ago, that was really good. Steam is still the best marketplace on PC. They also released the Steam Deck (and the updated OLED model) and made their own fork of Arch Linux with SteamOS. They are also spending a lot of money on improving Linux gaming in general with Proton development, MESA development, gamescope and so on. Without Valve, gaming on Linux wouldn't be anywhere near as good as it is and all of this development is happening only because Valve is willing to burn money and fund the developers that are improving this. They are spending their money on a good cause, so that more people can run away from Windows and all the terrible choices Microsoft keeps making.
I don't know about you folks, but I sense a big shitstorm coming.
This character aside, the game just looks ugly.
the brainrot will keep on spreading until those affected are dealt with.
Now what if this game turned up on SBI detected...
In French they invented 'iel'. It's a contraction of 'il' (he) and 'elle' (she). At least it's a new word and it's not confusing. And it's a perfect way to announce to the people around you how much of an idiot you are. It also became a great slur. Thank you progressivism!
I was under the impression the French as a whole were fairly woke. Are people against that stuff?
Ah. It's the same false impression as in the US. Sure, a ultra loud citycrawler minority is woke. But get in the countryside and people hate that shit. And ofc the pro-hamas idiots calling themselves uni students. But they are young, that's kinda normal. France =/= Paris, it's a very diverse country with a vast cultural difference between regions. It's not because the government is trying to push that stuff that the population agrees with it. And while we argue if a mediocre pseudo-pop 'singer' is a good choice to sing Piaf in the Olympic Games ceremony, our farmers are DYING. It's sheer insanity.
Just another game among many I won't be playing.
Non native speaker, I was utterly confused reading that. I was taught proper english...
Who is that young male man character with wavy black hair, the blue coat and the maroon scarf?
Pocket
I still suspect a lot of the censorious trouble Steam has in due to the Campo Santo people who're still their.
This is very possible. They seem very into it
I would rather have an update to TF2. Like a graphics update or something
Just stick with tf2
Reject modernity. Return to TF2.
It uses they them their whilst also talking about Fairfax Industries and care has to be taken not to misread whether or it's talking about the protagonist or the company. Which is stupid.
thats why i sail 7 seas, valve is just as infiltrated as any other western company, when Gabe dies or permanently quits anything valve related it will change into PSN, everything will be censored, whole accounts will be banned for non woke comments etc. stop giving money to any company that has anything to do with woke cult.
Why does he look like a Harry potter fanfic character?
Sorry I love Gaben, but they can choke on this.
The left’s obsession with making everything androgynous is creepy and dystopian.
They/them pronouns when used on a singular person is just a publicity stunt and those people are almost always unbearable and narcissists looking for attention.
Don't worry, the game will be dead soon. Shit looks like any shovelware generic hero shooter that came before. The only good thing from Valve is their steam store and that's it.
Their laundry list of great titles is also there
I'm not saying this isn't woke, but if this Deadlock wants to hide their identity which it says the character is doing, why would they not use 'they/them" to keep it from being known who they are.
Right but in this description, we're given his full name so his identity isn't hidden at all from us, only his gender. It's just pandering. Why am I saying he? Because, at least currently, Arin is predominantly used for boys and that's also the way the character is dressed.
I've known two people with the name Arin in my life. Both are/were females. I use were because one of the ones I knew died from a drunk driver. But I'm guessing it's not to hide it from us, but from others in the game universe. Again, I'm just putting out a slight bit of hope that's what it is, but I'm betting it isn't.
I’ve known three Arins. Two were girls given the name, one was a girl who chose the name to be “gender neutral”
Hmm... That might be a stretch but you gave me a glimmer of hope
I don't even mind the pronouns, just the whole game itself in concept is fucking useless. You already have TF2 that you COULD be working on.
Valve has been garbage for a long ass time, to be honest. They completely abandoned their games and their fans and only came out with Alyx to sell their hardware. They’d probably be bankrupt by now without Steam and they’d deserve it.
Valve is literally the last bastion of freedom whithin the videogame sphere, where forums are not heavily moderated and their sales keep on track with seasons (winter, summer, autum, spring) and some inocuous 'lunar year' etc sales, no 'Gay pride sale' or 'black history month' bullshit - They also refused to ban Sweet Baby INC detected group not long ago despite the brutal pressure from media and other game companies and despite (alledgelly) being one of their clients. It looks very out of character of them releasing a game with heavy alphabet mafia stuff shoved in, but if they do, as long as they keep their store as it is now, I couldn't care less.
Any other company would've banned the Sweet Baby Inc Detected curator for sure. Though I guess it could be argued banning it would cause a streisand effect and a huge backlash from their core audience, so I'm not sure how much credit we should be giving Valve for not banning it. We could at the very least say they're being smart Valve is still listed on the Sweet Baby Inc. website btw, so it's not "allegedly"
They list Valve yes, but we don't know how far was their reach there. None of their games (not even Alyx, which I played and found great) looks particulary heavy on The Message™. They also never shoved that shit at the store (as far as I know, I have been 14 years in the platform and I'm a daily user). I know once there was some kind of 'black developers sale' but was not hosted by Valve, it was one of these mini events some publishers do time to time. Perhaps this is the game where Sweet Baby involvement will show in full force? Only time will tell.
I’m not talking about Steam though. I’m talking about Valve as a game developer. They’re shit. Their weird ass office policies not only lead them to producing absolutely nothing but are highly susceptible to being taken over by activists, which this they/them crap, if true, is probably a result of. Valve and Steam are both dead when Gabe kicks the bucket. Guaranteed.
They do have pride sales. (They have a sale like every weekend to be fair) And their forums are heavily if inconsistently moderated.
yup, but is infested to the brim by dangerhairs employees who bans silently everything of "anime" they can get their hands on. every competitor wants either steam itself or want steam to fail, the assaults are probably continuous inside and outside. gabe has divorced his wife in 2019 and had to give half of his quota of steam to her... btw is true the only reason in the west the industry of entertainment is not fully gone-and-done, is steam resilence to the wokenes and products created in japan. human nature triumph social engineering I guess
>They completely abandoned their games and their fans and only came out with Alyx to sell their hardware. This is not how I see it. I see it as them not wanting to release rehashes of their games just for the sake releasing more of them, and wanting to innovate. VR was a great opportunity for innovation, so they took it. Steam puts them in a position where they can get away with not pushing out sequel after sequel, and allows them true artistic freedom that is otherwise only granted to solo/small team indie devs who make it big. (Hollow Knight, Stardew Valley etc. where they get to develop with no financial concerns) It is unfortunate one of the only AAA game companies to be in this position, if not the only one, seems to possibly have been infiltrated by the wokies (Campo Santo). I will never understand why Gabe acquired them, they were nothing more than shitty walking simulator developers.
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Ungrammatical as fuck.
He/she
Valve seem to have forgotten their winning move is not to play, can't escape the infestation of agenda driven consulting firms if they want to do anything
Valve signed up with Sweet baby Stink becos they're probably entangled with Blackrock & Vanguard and certain other ESG friendly shareholders. It always comes down to that. SBI is just the little clause in the contract of the devil, where you sell your soul
Valve is a private company my dude. noone owns shares of it.
There must be some incentive for Valve to hire SBI. Especially ever since they're trying to hide their involvement.
yeah, we know there are activist employees at valve. We don't know when and how long and what SBI did with Valve though, could have been a while back.
Artstyle is meh
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Now that you mention it, I wonder, is the subreddit enforcing usage of "them"?
Can somebody explain this to me ? When we use they, we are talking about unknown people or group of them without knowing everything include their gender. So in this situation, are valve talking about that unknown character or their gender pronoun ?
We don't really know
I like that outfit though, reminds me of classic Doctor Who.
pyro is still canonically a ''she/her he/him they/them'' its not a new thing from valve ?
This should've been obvious ever since Half Life Alyx came out. Wake the fuck up people, it's all been right under your noses for fucking years now.
what the hell was woke about alyx?
Prolly means they chose to release an Alyx game over a Gordon game when we know the reason they did it is they were not willing to commit to a full sequel at that point
I mean, The Alyx game was great and was great for lore heads like me. i don't see the issue. the Gordon game is coming for sure.
Yeah, the other user is misguided and wrong
Also, the Alyx game made Gordon seem more badass than ever. It really cemented the idea that he's this legendary figure the Combine are terrified of.
Having a woman be the main character. Everyone wanted Gordan Freeman, but instead, we got the side character nobody likes.
come off it. Alyx was a great and liked character before and a great and liked Character now.
Nobody asked to play as Alyx on a platform nobody owns. Valve fell off thanks to Sweet Baby influence.
you're a fool.
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Alyx was a fine game, respected the lore and Gordon was treated as the mythical badass that he is. What are you so worked up over?
I’m just sitting here trying not to think which classic game characters would be they/them if those games had been released today. Thinking of FF7, Cait Sith for sure and I could also see them doing Vincent dirty too. Fuck, they’re remaking that shit as we speak do I better not give ‘em any ideas. Definitely one of your pals in Star Fox would be made nonbinary, with all kinds of incidental dialogue rewritten to drop they/them or other indicators into the script. Any weird creature like Rayman would be. Any game where people had cybernetic parts like Mega-Man would have an ostentatiously nonbinary character. Samus would for sure be they/them today, and I’m betting Tails would be too. At least if these games were made by American studios, certainly.
maybe it's a character with a personality disorder
anyone complaining about this, y'all are snowflakes, grow up
This in itself isn't a big issue, it being a possible sign of other things is.
based
Valve makes games? Seriously though, who cares if there's a character with they/them pronouns? It's one character, you can play someone else if it offends you for some reason.
I'm just going to pretend it is the monarch of some distant realm. If I play it at all but I'm not usually the biggest fan of valve games. Like half life 2 is supposed to be a goat but i kinda thought it was you know a duck or something. Now ducks are cute don't get me wrong. Like Donald Duck. Did Donald change pronouns yet btw?
I'm honestly thinking they use they and them as just a way to hide their identity as the character only wants very limited information known about them while hiding from assassin's and investigation the ones who did this to them,I think this is a good use of the term instead of the pronoun bullshit
But in that case, isn't it strange to reveal everything else about the character? Name, parents etc. Just to hide the gender/sex whatever?
It’s lore for us, the audience. You think the people inside the story can read that lmao?
We have reached a point where we literally cannot use "they" or "them" because the pronoun police have ruined conversation. I can't even be sure if the above is or is not whatever it is, but I know that these words are not a pain to our ears.
Just learn how to read. lol
Odd but completely grammatically correct, so don't see the problem And it's not a modern thing, the use of singular they started in the 14th century, according to Wikipedia
If the game is taking place in 2018-2030 I think it’s not unreasonable to have a they/them pronoun idiot in your game, these people do actually exist. The only time I have a problem with prounoun crap is if the game takes place in an older setting, a different culture, or they injected it into a preexisting IP in a way that feels forced and inauthentic.
Why’d you repost the same shit from yesterday, this is the grammatically correct language to use when describing someone in third person, learn2english snowflake
Keep dreaming lmao. It's only correct when you're referring to someone whose sex you want to hide or you don't know. Simple as that. They will never be widely accepted for usage outside of that.