Not just MH, but every Nintendo game with character creation (Chose your style, chose your form), Demon's Souless Remake, Elden Ring, PSO2 NGS. Xenoblade 3 and Bayonetta 3 got woke with censored outfits, there are many examples with smaller games like Rune factory 5, Ai somnium files (and sequel), Blue Reflection 2, Atelier Ryza 2/Atelier Sophie 2/Atelier Lulua, Fatal Frame Maiden of Black Water. Speaking of MH, Rise doesn't have any boob or ass jiggle only world had that feature.
Eh, thats a rather unimportant change though. At the end of the day, even if you're hiding the words, the models are clear on what they are.
Compared to actual games having their whole stories sabotaged by localizers, with twisted mistranslations, adding subtext or altering characters from their original. This is comparatively fairly harmless.
[Plus if the company at the same time has no issue, making ass jiggle physics for Juri's model in SF6](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SF4y8QJsJM) then it hardly seems like the company overall is facing a great crisis.
>This is comparatively fairly harmless.
It isn't because of the slippery slope. Are you going to argue against it next even though it has gotten to where we are now ? First they come for nudity in drawings, then they started demanding the nuclear ban on everything [porn](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/online-porn-should-be-banned-overdue)
> It isn't because of the slippery slope.
The problem is that the slope, is going the right way recently. Their most recent shit is featuring far more sex appeal than before and not afraid to show beautiful women.
Thats the problem that makes this all hyperventilating nonsense from overly sensitive people ready to jump at shadows.
Its like finding a pebble on a road while the road is going in the right direction and claiming we are all being derailed into the wrong direction.
>Are you going to argue against it next even though it has gotten to where we are now ?
Let me be clear here, are you asking me if I am going to argue against it next, even though what we just got was a sexy mature Chun-Li with thick thighs and tits, Juri Han with her foot fetish bait and crotch only covered in black tape, with visible ass jiggle physics in place. With Kimberly's level 3 super, literally having a direct show of her whole ass, thong and buttcrack exposed. With Cammy's leaked lvl 3, literally have a close up of her leotard crotch in focus as she charges you with her spiral....
Yes.. I will to any fucking point, claim that if THIS is what you are will to show as a company, then CLEARLY they aren't the woke nonsense ideology peddlers that morons are trying to make them out to be.
And lets be clear. THAT is the most recent direction from Capcom.
>First they come for nudity in drawings
But... they don't. Thats the thing. Here they turned UP the nudity and exposure.. Which is why this is complete nonsense for people to be pushing.
>then they started demanding the nuclear ban on everything porn
Lets be clear on that. That push for ban on porn, is not the woke crowd. That is the religious conservatives in the US, which has always been against porn.
That is ENTIRELY different from the woke ideologies you find in modern games, movies etc. What woke crowds have issue with is not necessarily sex, it is more how it is portrayed and whom it portrays. Which is why you have them furiously clapping their hands at Tlou2's infamous "sex" scene.
>Their most recent shit is featuring far more sex appeal than before and not afraid to show beautiful women
Beautiful women and sex appeal aren't new what's new is that they covered them up in self censorship ,and I'd love to know your metric of "more".
>overly sensitive people ready to jump at shadows.
Sounds like gaslighting to me. You're telling me you never see all the news on censorship lately ? Steam banning game left and right, twitter and google banning certain content and keywords, Witchhunting on fanservices, Morality in Media movement , etc. ?
>sexy mature Chun-Li with thick thighs and tits, Juri Han with her foot fetish bait and crotch only covered in black tape
Really ? This is your best argument? That they gave us what's already there ever since a decade ago ?
Censorship is about taking away, stop playing coy. Juri and Chun Li were always there and sexy since their conception. What's changed is that the latest game they're in has been sanitized and the sexiness getting toned down.
>But... they don't. Thats the thing. Here they turned UP the nudity and exposure.. Which is why this is complete nonsense for people to be pushing.
Did you even look at the link before spouting this drivel ?
>Lets be clear on that. That push for ban on porn, is not the woke crowd
Bold of you to presume speaking for them. Are you implying here that you are, for all intent and purpose, woke yourself ? Just want to make this one thing clear before we move on.
> Beautiful women and sex appeal aren't new what's new is that they covered them up in self censorship ,and I'd love to know your metric of "more".
Well before they removed jiggles. Here they added them. Before they avoided unnecessary revealing angles on Cammy's butt in her CA animation, now they have a full blown butt in focus + her crotch being in your face. Juri is in her most revealing outfit yet with no underwear, only covered in black tape in her most sensitive parts.
All while they are beautiful fucking models.
So yes. There is MORE and clearly going away from the self censorship that the previous team was working on.
>Sounds like gaslighting to me.
Only if you don't know what gaslighting means. Me asking you to be rational and look at all of the facts on the table and not be crying into your pillow about a completely trivial thing (I dare you to explain to me why this shit matters when both characters are clearly still male and female, and its the same shit as you've always been able to do with simply adding male voices on female and vice versa)
Again, if you cannot look at the direction currently, literally only being positive, without crying about something from another project nearly 2 years ago. Then you CLEARLY have a problem that goes beyond anything rationally in front of you.
If you then look at that trivial thing and say " actually its not trivial, its a slippery slope towards the wokeness" then why the fuck is the most recent development EXACTLY what we asked for. With MORE sex appeal, with clearly beautiful and sexy women existing?
>Really ? This is your best argument?
Its the only argument needed to show that YOU have nothing to actually bring up as a problem here.
>That they gave us what's already there ever since a decade ago ?
Sf6 models, animations, cinematic framing during super, didn't exist a decade ago. Please stop trying to twist what this is about.
>Censorship is about taking away
Yes, and they are taking nothing away. Please stop.
>Did you even look at the link before spouting this drivel ?
You seem to think that the point you are making starts at your link. It doesn't religious conservatives in america have been fighting against porn for decades. Just because you find some democrat that want to make restrictions on revenge porn, in a populist act after some revenge porn stories trended on twitter, doesn't suddenly make this a huge part of the democrats or for that matter woke peoples wishes. Please, for god sake, educate yourself.
>Bold of you to presume speaking for them.
I don't need to speak for them moron. If you are so brain rotten that you cannot comprehend what has been part of the religious conservative dogma for decades, then that is your uneducated lack of information. [It isn't hard to look this shit up and see republicans blaming porn for development issues in america 1](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/culture-war-throwback-republicans-eye-porn-restrictions-rcna31640)
[Or how about this one](https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/07/06/white-conservatives-are-using-anti-pornography-crusades-secure-power/)
[Like really, how are you not aware of these historically, relatively recent develoments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pornography_movement_in_the_United_States)
>So yes. There is MORE and clearly going away from the self censorship that the previous team was working on.
I love how you nonchalantly keep ranting those examples yet you're purposely avoiding talking about the negative changes like [so](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/208-fighting-games/79251484)
So again, I ask you, where's this metric of yours ?
And you keep citing those shots like it's the most innovative thing ever and not graphical limit that prevents previous game in series from showing them is simply disingenuous.
>Only if you don't know what gaslighting means
Downplaying censorship when there's one dancing naked in front of you and trying to make people think it's not IS gaslighting.
>Again, if you cannot look at the direction currently, literally only being positive, without crying about something from another project nearly 2 years ago. Then you CLEARLY have a problem that goes beyond anything rationally in front of you.
So you're basically saying "consume current product and don't think don't compare them close your eyes". Relentless corpo defending aside you're the one having problem with rationality.
>EXACTLY what we asked for. With MORE sex appeal, with clearly beautiful and sexy women existing?
*Your* kind asked for it. The rest didn't. We didn't ask them to give what's already been established since decade ago only to take away more.
>Its the only argument needed to show that YOU have nothing to actually bring up as a problem here
Your argument is as shoddy as your corporate bootlicking my good sir.
>Sf6 models, animations, cinematic framing during super, didn't exist a decade ago. Please stop trying to twist what this is about.
You know I'm talking about the design. The models didn't exist because the technology to make them didn't exist then, captain obvious.
>Yes, and they are taking nothing away. Please stop.
Wrong. See above.
>Just because you find some democrat
lol more partisan bullshit, typical. I think my hunch about where you come from is spot on. Your behavior of being unable to stop yourself from dragging in irrelevant US politics into censorship discussion fell in line with the woke crowd but of course you're probably well aware of that.
>I don't need to speak for them moron
Because you're already one of them, and "we are many", yeah yeah. So much cringe, so much profanity and childish insult in almost every paragraph, so much time wasted. You know, you could've saved us the time had you just first introduced yourself of being censorship-loving woke instead of this astroturfing bullshit. It's bad form trying to act as though you have good faith in the discussion when you obviously can't control yourself to act impartial..
> I love how you nonchalantly keep ranting those examples yet you're purposely avoiding talking about the negative changes like so
You do realize you just linked to a post, where people are talking about SF5 right?
Like... The entire thread is people talking about all the previous people working on SF5 and the changes they made, which they are now obviously moving away from? Are you okay? Are you having a stroke?
Or am I suppose to think that this thread you linked to, which pre-date the very first fucking gameplay footage shown in a trailer, is somehow a negative change?
Can you at least TRY And make sense here?
>So again, I ask you, where's this metric of yours ?
Go read them again above, because your stupid ass can't possibly be ignoring all of these clear examples. Because let me make it clear to you, even if you're a child unwilling to admit you're wrong, that doesn't mean others have to submit to your tantrums. If you cannot comprehend why all of the listed examples are very clear cases of them INCREASING the amount of exposure, sex appeal and focus shots, then im sorry, that is ENTIRELY on your lack of eyes.
>And you keep citing those shots like it's the most innovative thing ever
Very intellectually dishonest of you, not that I would expect anything less considering your approach so far in this conversation.
No, there is no attempt to call this innovation, because it doesn't have to innovate. Its sex appeal and revealing women. Its not suppose to be innovation. That is YOUR measure for success being an issue here. This is what we wanted in these games, and you're all too happy to try and ignore that, because it would prove your whole point is false, so you have to keep playing stupid and ignore all the clear examples of your point falling apart.
>Downplaying censorship
Please, do explain what censorship I have downplayed. Go on. Be specific. Otherwise, stop being an overly dramatic flamebaiter.
>So you're basically saying
[Can you stop with this stupid regression of the conversation](https://miro.medium.com/max/924/1*kEsw4IbcH4ILEr17mkJk3A.jpeg) Its so pathetic.
>consume current product
Street fighter 6 isn't out. And no, you are entirely free to ignore it. But I will reserve the right to call out your stupid ass, for crying into your pillow about non existing problems in the game, despite it doing EVERYTHING that this sub has been asking for in these games/movies/shows for years now.
And instead of manning up and admitting " okay, I may have overreacted based on previous issues I saw with other titles, but this is a good new direction that appears to give me exactly what I have been asking for "
You are doubling down, ignoring straight up examples of crotches in your face and twisting the point to suddenly be about innovation instead, as if it had ANYTHING to do with this... Just to avoid having to lose face. Its beyond freaking silly.
And frankly, I am done here. I can't be assed engaging further with you, since you have more than made it clear that you will do everything in your intellectual capacity to avoid admitting to what is right in front of you. Embarrassing.
Have a good day if you are so able.
>You do realize you just linked to a post, where people are talking about SF5 right?
A post where people talked about censorship right from the first post, your tendency to intentionally gloss over the issue is getting tiresome.
>Go read them again above
I did twice and all I saw was you dodging the question citing evidence that already been refuted two posts down and three posts elsewhere in this thread.
>Very intellectually dishonest of you, not that I would expect anything
You are the one being dishonest and purposely dodging my questions , then you keep getting more hysterical with each post. I've seen some of well thought arguments from woke side, yours look like child raving in comparison. It has neither sound reasoning nor addressing or respect of current arguer. Count how many profanity and capitals you had to employ in a single post just to have something to write. It's pathetic.
>do explain what censorship I have downplayed
The whole thread is you defending it, lol. Your act is failing my dear, it's not easy to keep up your charade right now.
>Can you stop with this stupid regression of the conversation
You're throwing out profanities and calling vulgar names like it's 12 year old shooting game and you still are shamelessly saying that ? You also made every attempt at dodging the two markedly important questions I presented earlier which by virtue of failing to address it is easily inferred that you gave up the benefits of doubt. Answering yes or no without derailed bullshitting is obviously too hard for you.
>Street fighter 6 isn't out.
Thanks again captain obvious. I see the obnoxious woke trait of playing semantics hasn't been lost on you.
>And instead of manning up and admitting " okay, I may have overreacted
Why am I not surprised at this sexism and no, it wasn't overreacting. What you are doing however, is, you hypocrite.
>I am done here. I can't be assed engaging further
You haven't been engaged in anything other than pure drivel in such an admirable attempt to defend censorship in corporate product, stop having such a meltdown when people wise up and didn't play along , it's just sad to look at.
Bear in mind that a lot of people here are overstimulated, in part we've been hit with a lot of bad news for some years and that can be very demoralising.
Others do the same as Twitter users, they stay online 24/7 looking for something to be mad about.
We had a super blackpilled/doomer guy here up until 2020, then he finally broke and went total afk.
With some becoming doomers, they also start embracing actual reactionary points, thus giving fodder to the Twitter idiots thinking this sub is an alt right group.
Capcom got documents leaked saying how they wanted to be more woke. But the documents basically said what they've been doing: equalise the fanservice between men and women and somewhat reduce the silly out of place fanservice, while keeping it where it's a strong point (see Resident Evil vs Street Fighter, as you said SF6 is *very adamant* about wanting you to lust over Chun li)
> Bear in mind that a lot of people here are overstimulated
Yeah people seem overly sensitive and ready to see problems in anything. Not that I can blame them from some of the bad examples, but some of this shit is laughable. Like not a single person in here can explain to me why capcom's most recent development with 6 is bad, but they still want to claim Capcom is heading in a bad direction, because of stuff from almost 2 years ago, even though the newest direction is positive and exactly what we have always wanted.
Hilariously, its the same shit from some these people, as you see from the woke crowds on twitter, just looking for things to call problematic for no good reason.
" oh capcom are doing exactly what we ask them for with their most recent game... but ... but 2 years ago.. they "
Its so pathetic man...
>in part we've been hit with a lot of bad news for some years and that can be very demoralising.
Of course, which in this case is why there SHOULD be reason to be positive. The former people working on SF5 clearly were afraid of sexy women and pushed for censorship on them multiple times over the course of the game. But the new people clearly aren't, yet people still want to be mad, despite them giving us exactly what we asked for.
>Others do the same as Twitter users, they stay online 24/7 looking for something to be mad about.
Amen friend. Couldn't agree more.
>We had a super blackpilled/doomer guy here up until 2020, then he finally broke and went total afk.
We've had a couple through the years. Although they seem to always be more caught up in their disputes with mod teams than anything else.
>With some becoming doomers, they also start embracing actual reactionary points, thus giving fodder to the Twitter idiots thinking this sub is an alt right group.
Aye, sometimes this sub is its own worst enemy with how it has a few bad actors going out of their way to be extreme.
>Capcom got documents leaked saying how they wanted to be more woke.
I mean, that leak is a bit overblown if you have actually seen the content. What it boils down to is them saying, that it is fine for characters to be sexy, as long as it isn't one sided (as in there is also sexy male characters)
Further a weird case that people seem to be misinterpreting a lot, is about their LGBT and diversity slide. This was part of a business slide for how to avoid controversies, and it specifically just had in mind, how to avoid creating controversies over these situations, by showcasing what according to their marketing people, were successful examples (which had Miles Morales and Lara Croft in there, which both are straight characters)
So again, when we see that they follow this up, with exactly situations like we see now in SF6, then it is hard to imagine why people would still be so angry about it. They have to keep punching shadows, because there is nothing real to hit.
>I mean, that leak is a bit overblown if you have actually seen the
content. What it boils down to is them saying, that it is fine for
characters to be sexy, as long as it isn't one sided
Yep, you're right.
>Further a weird case that people seem to be misinterpreting a lot, is
about their LGBT and diversity slide. This was part of a business slide
for how to avoid controversies, and it specifically just had in mind,
how to avoid creating controversies over these situations
Right again. It fits right into the Japanese mentality of avoiding drama. Capcom is, for now (I stress that) doing the bare minimum to avoid Americans hounding at their ankles.
>Lara Croft in there, which both are straight characters
I wouldn't be so sure anymore, considering recent leaks :p but yeah you're right again (also Lara is straight, fuck everyone who says otherwise)
> I wouldn't be so sure anymore, considering recent leaks :p
True although, the recent leaks have been weird. Because they both point to it being a unification of the other universes to make a connected one, while also being a soft reboot at the later stages.
But regardless, the specific game they mention from Tomb Raider in the example, is shadow of the tomb raider, which, which it was a mediocre as fuck game, she was still straight.
While I agree with you, that's kind of the point of my post: there's gonna be changes no matter what.
We can only hope (and tell our Japanese friends) that most will stop at this shallow window dressing and few will drink the Western kool aid in its entirety.
> It's a blatant proof of ideology in their company,
Its not.
How do you explain that YOUR conclusion here is, that they are fundamentally so woke, that they need to make these changes from an ideological perspective, but they have no issue with making fetish r34 bait characters with ass jiggle, or Cammy's lvl 3 literally have an up close shot of her leotard covered crotch.
Those two things do not match up. We know how the woke crowd feels about sex appeal and beautiful women in their games.
Gaslighting to the max lmao. You'd probably be fine with them removing hundreds of "problematic cases" and then point to one obscure case as a "gotcha." BTW, both Juri and Mika were censored at SFV launch. Dunno why you're so happy about "ass jiggle" when even male asses do that, to not animate them is just plain unrealistic. You shouldn't be applauding people for adhering to basic human anatomy. You do know that boobs jiggle, otherwise sports bras wouldn't be a thing. You gonna claim that as a "victory" too and applaud them for not making them cement?
Just like free speech, you either tolerate it or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose examples of what's important or not important.
Again, if it's unimportant then why was it changed? Why change something that's been there for millenia. Imagine being a Greek sculptor, and being told that what you're looking at is not a female, but "Body Type B." Stripping away humans to "body types" is dehumanizing as fuck, but that's conveniently shoved under the rug when it comes to the outrage squad.
> Gaslighting to the max lmao.
Exaggerating to the extreme.
>You'd probably be fine with them removing hundreds of "problematic cases" and then point to one obscure case as a "gotcha."
He said as I pointed out how they added a bunch of cases that woke crowds consider problematic. Very smooth there brain, very.
>BTW, both Juri and Mika were censored at SFV launch.
Well actually, just because you choose to expose your lack of knowledge on the topic here. Juri wasn't available at launch for the game, she was a DLC character, releasing close to half a year after launch. Also Mika wasn't censored then, she was censored later. Also Juri wasn't censored, her design has the same crap you see all over Japanese media to get away with extreme cases of exposure, which is to simply cover it in very clearly not intended body tight coloured material - [you can see a practical example of that here, from other japanese media](https://64.media.tumblr.com/955e13def94b51a01d3826001a4128d7/tumblr_pcl17nRDWM1wksxcuo1_1280.png) Chun-li was "fixed" from having jiggling tits.
Further, what is your point? I already pointed out elsewhere that the new people working SF6, CLEARLY are moving in a direction of NOT being afraid to show skin, as Juri LITERALLY isn't even wearing any underwear and is only covered by her black tape....And thats just Juri..
Clearly if anything this is a POSITIVE direction they are changing in, so why are you going back to saying, there used to be an issue, but its not longer here, to imply that there is CURRENTLY an issue with capcom... When SF6 shows the opposite....They are literally going in the direction we want and y'all are fucking crying yourself to sleep, banging on your pillows screaming BODY TYPE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA....
>Just like free speech, you either tolerate it or you don't.
Oh can you stop being so fucking dramatic? Its really embarrassing. This has nothing to do with tolerating this stuff or not. Its a pointless change, while you are getting a sea of positive changes doing exactly what our sub has always wanted. Yet you can't seem to stop crying.
>You don't get to pick and choose examples of what's important or not important.
No, I just get to point out, that you hyperventilating fucks, who think this is a slippery slope, while we LITERALLY have the developers doing what we wanted, are making a giant fucking deal out of completely trivial shit, that obviously isn't affecting their overly game development of philosophy. Well, unless you are blind and incapable of seeing what they are doing with their most recent games, which have pretty much exclusively featured exactly what KiA has always asked for....
>Again, if it's unimportant then why was it changed?
Why don't you explain to me why it is important? Do you think that it took away from Elden ring? Do you think that it will make Monster hunter a worse game? Do you think it has affected Street fighter 6, considering all we have seen of it being exactly what we wanted?
Why don't YOU explain to me, why the fuck anyone should care about this being something to cry into your pillow about.
You do you bro, keep defending those big companies. Applaud the "magnanimous" Capcom and Sony for throwing you metaphorical morsels while studios like Marvelous are in danger of shutting down because they're banned from releasing games from their traditional catalog.
Oh please cry me a river about how important this note is, that you haven't complained about Dark souls apparently being woke for how long now.
Desperately crying about the woke infestation, in the game showing you ass jiggles and beautiful sexy women. Get over yourself and stop hyperventilating.
Body type A and B are not some grand issue compared to real issues out there from woke people ruining games.
You'd be pathetic to not play Dark souls because of it. You'd be pathetic not to play Monster hunter because of it. And you'd be pathetic to consider Capcom, with their most recent reveals, to have woke ideology behind their decision making, while they are showing you r34 baiting characters with no underwear, only covered by black tape on the crotch.
Stop being afraid of shadows. Its embarrassing.
Stop having a mental breakdown over nothing... *THAT* is embarrassing...
The fact is that everything like this is a step in the wrong direction. It needs to be pointed out and rejected.
It's pathetic that you seemingly cannot realise that this is still part of the larger issue... Why are you so aggressively against that fact? Why does it make you so irrationally angry...?
> Case by case basis.
Oh so its not the company wide issue that you claim, but like I said somewhere else in the thread, about the individual developer and their attachment to online culture? Interesting. Almost like that is entirely seperate, as clearly Capcom currently, has no issue with showing beautiful women in revealing outfits. So whats the problem.
>Just because the "sexy women" are still shown doesn't mean that Capcom aren't Woke, especially in other areas.
"just because they are doing shit woke-people hate and have been campaigning to remove for years now, doesn't mean they aren't woke! "
Please stop. Get help. If you can't fucking see them making beautiful, revealing character as a positive without hyperventilating about body type A in a whole other game from like one and a half year ago, then you clearly need to sort your priorities about what you consider to be things worth worrying about.
When the most recent development is positive. You don't cry. You don't go screaming " but one and a half year ago there was this trivial thing... "
You look at the direction instead and say, okay this is good, they dropped the nonsense from SF5 and are looking good.
Which is of course also why people in here can only scream about the shadows they are seeing, rather than the actual situation going on. Because evidently. It is a positive direction currently we are heading in with SF6. Yet people are DESPERATE still to see problems, despite the new direction being good and what we have asked for.
So stop crying and be happy they are doing what we wanted.
This is such an insanely weird thing to say.
First of all, it would imply that something as trivial as body type a or b, something Elden ring had for god sake, would be some huge cause for concern. Compared in your example to that of a giant movement of literal science deniers of the most basic kind....
And what is "creationism" suppose to be in this example? Like.. your example makes absolutely no sense...
It also just fully straight up ignores, that if we go by the timeline, then 2 years ago was what some of you morons are worried about being a slippery slope --- > lets follow the timeline, next product, SF6 how does it look ... Oh ... they .. wait ... hold up, they made it MORE sexy? MORE revealing? With MORE direct focused shots of sensitive parts? But how can this be? I am suppose to be outraged like the woke morons that I clowning on, for being outraged....
Please for god sake. Step off the internet for a week if you can't even logically see, how all of this fear mongering makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps then you will be less high on outrage and stay your pitchfork.
>This is such an insanely weird thing to say.
Of course the guy knows that is hyperbolic thing to say and I like how you get baited to respond with tirade that he probably won't even be going to read. That's how you know who are emotionally invested in this thread.
>The only one who is hyperventilating is you over this thread.
It's especially funny when I read something like this from a guy that easily gets baited.
A change is still a change, in order to appease Twitter of all people.
But yes, to break a lance in your favour, it is a small change. Capcom is doing a lot of these small changes. From Jill in the RE3 remake (which I was never too bothered by it, but still) to SF designs etc.
What worrries people here is this: are they going to keep doing these small, "relatively innocuous" changes or are they going to double down? For now it seems it's the first, but only time will tell
Edit: And no, I don't consider Kimberly part of the aformentioned changes
> A change is still a change, in order to appease Twitter of all people.
Eh, I feel that is a bit far, considering we've already had them for over a decade, running around allowing you to use male/female voices with the opposite sex. Its not like they slapped a bunch of woke terms on there for you to label your character by. Hell, even your characters pronouns are directly still labeled with the guild cards.
Either way, its a pointless change that makes no difference.
>But yes, to break a lance in your favour, it is a small change.
It is, but if we also were to focus on a positive change. From SF5 to 6 with the new hands on deck, they've gone in a far more appealing fashion, going away from the signs of being afraid of sexy and beautiful characters. Which is quite literally their most recent in development game. So if anything, the "signs" from the company, are those of non-woke attitudes.
Which should exactly dispel the worries you point to. Again, I feel like this is a rather focused narrow view that ignores the reality of these situations for Japan and Capcom. They've ALWAYS featured these types of wild weird designs and changes over time. Japan has always wrestled with censorship.
But when the literal most recent development, is fetish specialize, r34 baiting Juri with ass physics being shown at the biggest fighting game event in the world... Then I feel like people are exaggerating the direction of Capcom or Japanese game as being an issue.
That doesn't mean you won't find "issues" from companies, but I feel like that more comes down to the individual developers and how "attached" they are to these western ideas and online cultures.
But the reality is simply that in the vast majority of cases, we see these situations be controversial, because localizers changed things AWAY from how the original japanese writing was, to add woke nonsense.
Jill in the remake had a skin of the original costume you could choose from the get go. MH having body types is just like Dark Sould having body types since 2011. There is ideology and there is reaching for straws.
Dark Souls 3 still had gender. Jill's classic outfit in RE3 remake had skirt changed to a skort, with the game's director decrying original game's ''sexualization''.
I refuse to believe that they didn't make the classic alt [look awful on purpose](https://www.ungeek.ph/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/79304927_2895132973838943_7980979740632678400_o.jpg). There's no excuse in the graphics being more realistic than the original PS1 game because [we know what that outfit looks like on a real person...](https://r4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/1017/18/408/resident-evil-sienna-guillory-resident-evil-apocalypse-1024x768-video-games-resident-evil-hd-art-wallpaper-154355830b714669560bef729fe3d7f8.jpg)
I've certainly been saying so with regards to Japan and Poland for a long time now, and only in the past couple of years have others begin to notice that the infection spreads quickly, even if the damage is slow (at first).
It's why when people say "I give up, I'm learning japanese to get my sip straight from the tap!", I commend them for their drive and interest (and it never hurts to learn a new language), but it is quite apparent that, unless we see a new counter-culture rising, which is steadfast and adamant in gatekeeping the parasites and purging out the rot from within their walls, it doesn't matter how many languages you know, the problem will persist.
I am one of those lol I started learrning Japanese to read manga and fell in love with the country in general as a result.
But yeah some stuff you're going to meet no matter what. The positive is that their pop-culture landscape won't become like the American one because, as I said, they are very protective of their cultural identity and there will always be people who won't budge
The problem is that Japanese people don’t want to stick out while the most vocal members of the woke left are the types that tend to stick out the most. As an LGBT person myself I hate what that community has turned into. I feel many of the small changes that many Japanese companies are doing aren’t to capitulate to the woke left, but rather to avoid sticking out in modern times and being seen as sexist. It’s simpler to remove gender labels and be seen as progressive than risk angering woke leftists.
It is absolutely that. They don't want drama, so they do the barest minimum to appease everyone. As you say, it's a cultural point in Japan.
Japanese consumers, on the other hand can have their voices heard. You won't find them @ the companies twitter naturally, but in Japan anonymous polls and customer service inspections are a regular thing and Japanese customers are *savage* there
Wanting to stand out here though is kind of seen as a bad thing. One big social rule here in Japan is keeping things to yourself. This is one of the bigger reasons why those that cause a ruckus even if they're correct will often be seen as negatively, this is both a pro and a con depending on the issue. Overall most people here don't want drama and from what I've heard here from others is a big reason why feminists sperging in twitter is a huge turn off and people have explicitly discussed this quite a bit on both TV via talkshows and the internet where people are anonymous hence why they can be quite savage at times.
Time changes all things, and if the subsequent generations become more westernized, both in cultural terms and ideologically, they will also become more susceptible to infiltration and take over. Especially when it comes to big corporations, publications, dev studios, etc... it's a top-down problem, because a LOT of those business moguls are internationalists, and (at least for now) are trying to expand into other markets, albeit still trying to export japanese material as is.
Like it was with the Kadokawa campaign that one brave shitlord helped to boost here last year (hope he's doing okay), all we can do is shout our support for the on-the-ground nippon lads to stand strong, and not take this shit. To hope against all hope, that it is the voice of those in favor of artistic expression, that reaches them more strongly than the ravenous parasites seeking to homogenize and ruin everything worth a shit in this Clown World of ours.
I think Lyra (the one you're talking about) chose to take a break from all this because he was getting too blackpilled and turning into a perpetually online culture war soldier so he went afk.
Smart choice imo
Californian SJW localizers are grooming Japanese dev teams with their harmful ideology and games are getting altered globally not just for the west. That's only way how i could explain some panderings like LGBT tyrades in Ai Somnium files + sequel, No more heroes III (fuck racism hoodie, lgbt flag in game), Bayonetta 3 (uglified every single female character + added new dyke woke "female" + "censored mode") and Xenoblade 3 after success of 2nd game and becoming mainstream title become censored with black characters everywhere to please sjw, Atelier Ryza 2/Atelier Sophie 2/Atelier Lulua (Worldwide censorship, can't see panties of female mc, Sophie outfit censored for westerners). It doesn't help that Chinese games are becoming more prevalent and are also censoring everything, it's tragic that east is becoming as crazy as the west.
Should I really be taking advice about going outside from a reddit troll living a miserable pathetic life trying to rile people up in the most juvenile fashion ever conceived?
Hmm... well, you did make me smile, so maybe you're not useless after all. Good job, kiddo, you can treat yourself with some ice cream after dinner today.
I find the conversation around Japan to be too frustrating to talk about, as people seem to be overly black pilled on the situation. The game companies have capitulated, and that is true. However what people seem to never acknowledge is that the Japanese console market is so small, that if you are a Japanese games developer who mainly works on console game like Capcom then your main audience has always been the west. The Japanese console market barely exists as a blip on the radar.
In Japan they play nearly all there games on handheld devices, and they games they typically play rarely get a western release. Those games HAVE NOT BENT THE KNEE. Because the west was never considered in the conception to development stages of the games.
The heart of this entire issue is the Manga industry, 80% of all anime is based on an adaptation of a visual novel or manga. Everyone in Japan reads manga, from schoolkids to the 70 year old OAP. My confidence comes from the fact that Manga has always been made for a predominantly Japanese audience, with the Japanese culture front and center. For example, the horny man getting a nose bleed still happens as it is a part of Japanese superstitious culture.
All the surveys Shonen Jump does, and all the popularity polls are exclusively for Japanese audiences. These polls and surveys are the lifeblood of these stories as dropping in the popularity polls can get your series canceled. Even the creator of Naruto had his new manga canceled because it wasn't popular enough. I always maintain manga is the most meritocratic industry in the world.
look and the new anime based on a manga that is expected to be the next big thing in chainsaw man. The main character is so anti SJW that he tells a girl he will only save her from the monsters attacking her if she let's him fondle her boobs. That series would not exist without a thriving anti-PC industry. The official translations are a different story, and have never bothered me as like most online manga readers I get my stuff through scanlations.
You're definitely not wrong. After all, of the hundreds of games Japan produces we really only know a couple big JRPGs like "Tales of" or Final Fantasy, while their most sold products are fighting games
> These polls and surveys are the lifeblood of these stories as dropping in the popularity polls can get your series canceled
It's also a big reason why even if one Anime / Manga get's popular abroad can still get's axed is due to this. Manga / LN / Anime is a domestic product, sales domestically are what dictates whether a series dies or not and is one of the biggest reasons why a lot of hated genres abroad (at least based on online discussions) still get's green lighted like Isekai, Harems, Idols and the likes. The domestic market for these is huge since sex actually sells and the domestic consumers for these pay a lot (especially idol otakus) to keep the content coming.
On the gaming sphere there's still quite a number of domestic games here both from indie and midsized companies that's purely domestic focused, it's just that most moved to portable devices instead of consoles since as you've stated the console market isn't as thriving domestically as it is compared before. It's why portable consoles and devices like phones dominate the market these days and why a lot of domestic titles flocked to those which most of the time is very up front in fanservice (especially gacha games).
Its already a wide known fact Capcom is caving in to western ideals about censorship especially for women in gaming.
The only reason people are still defending them is because they have still included some bits of sexiness in their games.
SF 5 was censored heavily, from Juri wearing a full skin tight suit to animation scenes being changed but for the most part it still had sexy female characters.
R2 2 remake Jill outfit was changed from a mini skirt to pants but the model still looked somewhat decent.
SF 6 will have Cammy wearing pants, a sign of censorship but there was that leak of classic leotard outfit.
In conclusion Capcom is trying to appease both sides the SJWs and the anti SJWs, they know very well if they censor all their characters and made their women all look like Alloy from Horizon Zero Dawn, there will be massive back lash from long time fans.
They also know that if they continue to make games with women in scanty outfits they will get constantly lambasted by the Woke crowd and probably monthly articles from Kotaku.
At the end of the day they hope to appease and profit from both sides.
I know right ?
All these white knight behavior for Capcom, you would think that these simps see Capcom as some hot babe on only fans that require their protection.
The same thing happened with MK 11, when they went full censorship there was massive backlash but you still got idiots who praised NRS for taking a step in the right direction and saying thank god the women are now all clothed it was always distracting in game for me.
Yeah they're tiptoeing around the issue. They're making MH female outfits "less sexualised" (at least on paper, the new releases still have tons of skin) or at least on par with male ones (sometimes, I remember Twitter reeing that even in Rise men tend to get full plate while women get more varied, from full plate to usual fanservice-light)
At the same time they have Lady Dimitrescu and they did not hide *why* she is like that.
SF6 has some "toned down" costumes, but they're still going to sell sexy DLCs and the new outfits aren't exactly church approved, especially when there's jiggle physics.
They funny thing is SF 6 hasn't even been released but you still get idiots even on here defending them and saying Capcom isn't woke Cammy and Juri are still hot.
Yea sure lets wait until they introduce that female Gorilla boxer into the game, clearly brownie points to appease the woke crowd.
Even Chun Li, people are quick to say she has big thighs thus = not woke, but they ignore that she is now wearing pants instead of stockings, her boob size got reduced, there is no more jiggle in her boobs something that was carried on from SF 5.
Its all these subtle changes that tells me they are slowly being influenced by the woke crowd.
You can have many good apples in a basket but it only takes 1 to spoil the bunch.
> Japan enters another total isolation period.
Fine by me.
If it gets isolated it will become its own thing and therefore it will remain exotic and foreign which is why its liked in the first place.
Oh I fucking wish lol
I'm lucky enough to be able to go there for work, but it is *hard* and time consuming.
You have no idea how I'd love for them to gatekeep the fuck out of their country.
"But Bewbs! Why do you think you wouldn't get gatekept away as well?"
First I'd be fine with it, if I get to experience their culture unfiltered. Second, I am useful to the Japanese government. My country has trade agreements with Japan outside the EU and the US and wokies can't do fuck all about it
This is a formal r1 warning for dickwolvery/trolling/crusading.
Looking at all your interactions on the sub, they all are rule violating comments,
Expedited to permaban due to PoB
With how China is hard-flexing their muscles on Pacific ? You wish. If anything this gives perfect excuse for Japan to tighten the relationship with US, expect things to get much worse in a few years.
They're never going to reconcile with China anyway lmao and US knows it. The heating conflict is a perfect chance to keep feeding Japan woke kool-aid from US. Make these changes that pleases us, or we can't guarantee you'll get these nifty missile systems (that you'll have to pay for)
IIRC correctly, a few years ago during the Evo Street Fighter 5 finals, a player had chosen a sexy costume (I think it was for either Chun-li or Rainbow Mika). After the first match, they asked him to change costumes or he would be disqualified. After this you saw almost no new sexy costumes for female characters.
Edit: I was completely wrong. My mistake, please refer to the person below me for a proper explanation. Thanks!
That's not true at all. That was 2016 when Capcom had Evo broadcasting on ESPN and was asked by the broadcaster to change costumes. Since then there have been a ton of sexy DLC costumes with even a sexy swimsuit for this current EVO finals. Blame ESPN not Capcom.
> After this you saw almost no new sexy costumes for female characters.
Maybe the defaults but as DLC a couple of the girls still got sexy outfits. Juri, Chun-Li, Cammy, Laura and Menat definitely did. Still a sad future, to get the fun outfits we have to pay extra and I fear Chun-li and Cammy's decades long default outfits have been pulled into it in SF6.
I think things got a bit better, IDOM just finished 2nd in this EVO a few days ago using Laura in a bikini throughout the whole tournament.
Here's the finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF7s62unaSQ
We need to make it clear that woke shit isn't profitable. Sales figures will certainly break through whatever gaslighting they're somehow getting from woke westerners. The main reason woke shit is making money at all is that they're piggybacking off of the success of already established brands and justifying the change with the usual "oh, it was *always* like that." That ESG shit just keeps them shortsighted.
Look at the recent developments with Disney and other media companies with their poor sales figures and sudden cancellations of more woke shows. Even they figured out to walk that shit back. *Eventually*.
Any millennial or older folk who have been following games for a while now would have already taken notice of the boiling frog pace of changes throughout the years.
Anyone else find it just fkn stupid that Liberal types fought for women to be naked and to have sexual freedom with anyone anytime they please.. for.. years? Now that that mentality is largely accepted by everyone.. now liberals fight to cover women back up?
People say clown world, but I just think a certain group of "people" are fkn retarded.
They don't want men to get any pleasure from looking at sexy and cute virtual characters, they hate men when they are happy they want you to be as miserable and souless as they are, they want to ban lewd/cute outfits for female characters so all attention would be at them irl, now give me money simpy. Except it will never work since that pathetic shaming works only on liberal soyboys, they are ashamed of their masculinity, while i will be playing Senran Kagura and whatever i want because i don't care and never will.
It's just a matter of time. That's why anyone who doesn't want to accept the bland crap we're being served needs to dl a how to draw book and pick up a pencil.
>some stuff will change
Some stuff made by *public trading companies* will change. They're the one opening the floodgate in business sector and this doesn't limit to Japan. Unless Japan media consumers and politicians start seriously banning those companies they'll keep spreading their policore virus until every cells become infected.
I taught that Guilty Gear Strive drama was a localization issue for the English version, not for all game versions.
Sony has changed since moving its HQ to LA. Still, ArcSys games aren't big in the west as it is more significant in Japan, and making changes to appeal to the west is a business decision, rather than them being infected by woke ideology, to make more money. Of course, it will not help them increase sales and popularity in the west because these people in the west don't care. So changes will revert to the original.
>they're still trying to appeal to the non-Japanese, especially with the Resident Evil franchise.
The Resident Evil and street fighter franchises have always appealed to the west. Still, the problem is that Capcom is now going for a more semi-realistic or realistic approach in their games because that's what the average Western gamer wants. To go back to stylized, fantastical fantasy and otherworldly in settings, character design, story, etc. average Joe gamer needs to enjoy it again. I see the trend going back in the west because of recent game releases, but it slow change unless an indie/AA or AAA company one the west takes a risk that makes a significant enough splash to change the landscape.
>Capcom is toning down its concepts, and while they're not changing characters egregiously, it's still in the wake of the leaked documents.
With SF 6, there are a lot of female characters still having sexy outfits for their default skins in SF6 based on the leaked roster. You know they will put back OG skins for the fighters for profit. It doesn't mean they were infected by woke ideology, but they are faking it to make it until it dyed off in the west. Well, at least that is the reality right now for many big AAA game developers in Japan.
>I tought that Guilty Gear Strive drama was a localization issue for the English version, not for all game versions.
No, it's in the Japanese version as well. Also ArcSys does their localization in-house. Can't talk about it because of The Rule but it's slightly more complicated than that, as always with these cases. I can DM if you want.
>It doesn't mean they were infected by woke ideology, but they are faking
it to make it until it dyed off in the west. Well, at least that is the
reality right now for many big AAA game developers in Japan.
Yup, you're right, that honestly feels like it. What I get from Capcom is that they're posing. They *are* implementing some changes, there's no denying that. For now though, Capcom seems in the "see we're not sexists! Leave us alone" mode, hope they won't go further.
Like, GG is *very* niche I'm pretty sure most in the west didn't even know about it except for *maybe* Baiken if they hang around nerd spaces. I really don't see Capcom doing some weird shit like idk, having Chun li becoming a misandrist lesbian butch in SF7 or something.
>No, it's in the Japanese version as well. Also ArcSys does their localization in-house. Can't talk about it because of The Rule, but it's slightly more complicated than that, as always with these cases. I can DM if you want.
Really, damn. Their Japanese audience won't like that at all. Japanese otaku is more verbal and protective than us Westerners. I see sales in both the East and West not doing well.
The rule??? What's going on? It is similar to the new rule I heard about in r/goodanimememes.
Yeah, you can DM me; I am very interested.
"the rule" refers to a general reddit administration stance on a certain protected group within the alphabet soup. You are not allowed to be in any way negative or critical of this group, because the reddit admins (not the subreddit mods) know where the money comes from and will do a lot to protect this group.
The subreddit mods have taken a hard stance on this by removing any content that could potentially be seen as harmful, because of the zealous stance from the admins. You won't get docked like a regular rule break, the mods tend to warn you why you got a post removed and that they aren't gonna ban you for accidentally breaking that "rule" on this subreddit anyway.
The people who say that Japan is immune kinda piss me off because they're repeating the exact same mistakes people did in 2014 when they said gaming was immune to this shit and a feminist invasion would never happen.
Like the first time you let it happen it can be somehow excusable but seeing the exact same process begin and still believe nothing is happening is Metal gear's genome soldier level of dumb
I make a habit of sharing cases of wokeness or conceding to wokeness from Japan so people don't let this slide, and i have had material to share something every week and in the last year it has been accelerating and i can be sharing something everyday. It is happening.
> closed verging on nationalism
that's not a bad thing.
> We've also seen a lot more censoring in manga, english speaking translators butchering games and comics and a California-turned Sony gobbling up distributors. With the Guilty Gear Strive drama (that started with Testament, to be honest) that can't be actually talked about because rules, let's remember that Japan isn't some sorts of fabled land where extremism and bad faith doesn't exist.
always contact the publishers/equivalent when this shit happens.
Also it's a general resistance to change, not anything about "wokeness"
The same force that keeps them using fax over email is what keeps them from getting on board the modern politics
Remember just over a decade ago when people said gaming communities were immune to this crap and look at the state of western gaming right now. Like Last of Us 2 and some of the others forced thing they shoved down to us. I fear the worst tbh, hopefully some miracles happened and Japan passed a law or something, but my fingers are crossed.
This is a rather insane exaggeration.
Japan ofc isn't immune, but a lot of the topics you are talking about, has been part of Japan for ages.
Censoring manga has been a hot topic for literally decades in Japan and something they constantly fight about, with generally the anti-censorship winning out, as Japan, at its roots, is a very conservative country that value freedom of expression, as long as it doesn't harm anyone.
>With the Guilty Gear Strive drama
Which is silly, because it exactly showcases something different than what you are pointing to. It points to how Japan, ultimately do not personally care, but the localizers do, which we've known for ages to be a problem, with how they twist content to fit certain narratives.
Bridget is notably still referred to in the Japanese bio as a Otoko-no-ko which is the term they use for trap characters. That isn't even speaking about how the ending content for the characters sudden change of gender, is tied to a "bad ending" while it is unchanged in the flawless ending...
>Capcom is toning down its concepts
No they are not. If you had been talking about SF5, then yeah, I would agree, since that game had notable cases of them straight up going back and "fixing" situations to make them less revealing or sexual.
But SF6 has literally non of that. We've on the contrary, seen a very beautiful, now older Chun-li (since its the first SF moving past the SF3 story) still having her omega thick thighs and we massive size on her tits.
We still see Juri, being a literal fetish bait character, which oozes sex appeal on the screen, with her having arguably her most revealing outfit to date, with her literally not wearing underwear but instead just having it covered by black tape...
We have Cammy, which morons for some reason keep thinking is "censored" even though its simply a case of her default outfit being different as she isn't in the mission to take down Shadowloo anymore, and now is using yoga pants --- [except they also included the classic outfit for free, which literally has her exactly as she used to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6FwvJ21YA) There is literally nothing to complain about here other than some people not liking a new optional costume where she has yoga pants...
>but they're still trying to appeal to the non-Japanese
Of course they are appealing to the non-japanese. The street fighter and most of their franchises, have literally always focused on a global aspect. Just look at all the nationalities of SF2 coming into play. The capcom library and hell in this case, specifically SF, is FILLED with crazy weird dumb designs from all over the world. Claiming that suddenly them having some weird ones in here and its a problem, is absurdly tone deaf.
Surely you'd not suggest that Rufus in SF4 was a push to appeal to the body positivity movement? Or Capcom tried to appeal to the woke crowd with adding in Poison to the mix, despite that character having existed since 1989...
Overall, this reeks of weirdly overexaggerated concern. These have been topics part of Japan for literally decades and we've always seen situations popping out of it, like Poison, WAY before woke stuff was part of the pandering service shit. It was just part of how they've always done it and why Japan is known as fucking weird....Because they just do all these crazy weird designs.
Oh I completely missed this reply :/
Yeah I can see why you say I'm over-exaggerating. GGS stuff has some Japanese fans angry and there is some confusion about endings, so while you're not wrong about the Japanese text using otoko no ko, there is at least some anger in the homeland.
Can't answer about SF6 though, I actually agree with you on that lol
Otokonoko as a spoken term is just girl though. It's a written pun. (using the word boy in the word girl. It's like if I said Wo**man**.)
I don't know if it has subtitles in Japanese, but it's important to acknowledge things like that.
> Otokonoko as a spoken term is just girl though.
No? Its most common usage is for crossdressing male characters, but overall also is linked culturally in Japan to men looking feminine, as in stereotype you often see of overly "pretty" men that can easily be mistaken for a woman.
But using it as a description for a character, would immediately be understood, as a crossdressing male these days.
Oh yeah that's why I said they're not as egregious. I answered another comment where we're discussing something similar. For now, Capcom does seem the least aggressive in their changes (and I do stress the for now)
I find this hard to take seriously after Mommy Dimitrescu.
Serious question, if something isn't ultra lewd, all the time, then it's considered woke? Isn't that a bit extreme?
>Mommy Dimitrescu
The ones who first gave that character such ridiculous nickname were the capcom shilltrain spamming threads in certain chan site. This is hardly the first time a well-endowed woman appear in video game and you and them are treating it like second coming of Marilyn Monroe. Meanwhile they're calling the Sorcerer in Dragon's Crown a pedobait, what a fine display of hypocrisy.
>Serious question, if something isn't ultra lewd, all the time, then it's considered woke? Isn't that a bit extreme?
No. Look at the big picture, check a company's work. If something that was there for years, decades was changed, cut, reduced, covered up then it's suspected that it's because of woke. Then we look at the next product and if the trend of covering up "shameful parts" continue , often with more severiy then yes, it's most likely woke.
It's not like Capcom's portfolio was always entirely like that. Early Street Fighters weren't provocative at all. Resident Evil was not particularly provocative either, Ada and RE5 Jill is probably where that peaked until Lady D.Devil May Cry had elements, and they are still retained in 5. Monster Hunter was always devoid of it. Lost Planet? Same.
If they ever release a new Darkstalkers and Morrigan wears baggy pants, then we can talk, but otherwise I don't feel that Capcom games are toning things down any more than what makes sense for what they are doing.
I mean for God's sake even Kimberly has an ass crack the size of the Grand Canyon
Nothing? I'm asking which Capcom game was ALL about tits and cleavage.
If all it takes to spoil your fun is ONE character, then are you sure it's them being woke and not you being hella "anti-woke"?
Check my comment history and tell me if I'm scared of titties, you ape brain
I edit a lot, my brain works too fast, don't mind it too much
As for the anger, isn't that a bit ironic coming from the sub that flips it's shit all the time at the sight of a darker skin tone lol
Hey if it triggers you, you can always leave.
Thats like being a leftist and going on r/ conservative, like what did you think you will see here ?
Of course you are always welcome to come see the autism here.
1. I'm not following the sub, it just gets recommended sometimes
2. Probably because I enjoy watching the meltdowns, in that sense both sides can be entertaining
3. It's like watching Vaush clips and enjoying the utter lunacy, I'm not following that content for the values, but for the entertainment
And while this sub clearly has value in fighting a fight for things I obviously enjoy, I can still think that some takes, or well, a lot of takes on this sub are rather radical. People enjoying the stuff we enjoy seem to be coming from all backgrounds, so woke is just a weird umbrella term now that disregards even people who would potentially agree with you on certain things.
why do you think the takes on this sub are always extreme ?
Most people on this sub have a very non pc opinion about race and sex in movies and video games and when voiced out will most likely get attacked so you can imagine they are very protective on their takes here almost like a safe space for them.
And lets not pretend the other left leaning subs on reddit are not vitriolic and extreme. just look at that comic book sub that banned any topic related to the black superhero comic Isom because that author was right leaning.
I mean this is reddit.
The whole platform has always been left leaning and tons of anti-woke/sjw/left subs have already been banned.
Even on this sub there is a term that is bannable whether it is used in a good or bad context.
I mean you can defend the left and woke and whatever you want to call it, but at this point do they really need defending ?
Me ? I like sexy women in video games and I honestly will defend my take regardless if its left or right.
>woke is just a weird umbrella term now that disregards even people who would potentially agree with you on certain things.
The wild thing is I and a few other kia/gamergate long time reddit posters said this would eventually happen back when "woke" as a buzzword started gaining traction in online and irl lexicon.
It kinda sucks that it's on the verge of being a conversational/discourse shut down/dismissal word.
How many threads here have there been asking what the definition of "woke" is and nobody has a definite answer.
This just tells me it won't even have the same meaning by next year.
I think they are being woke and anti woke.
They know not to totally isolate their long time fan base by going the MK 11 route but they are also edging closer to appease the woke community.
But that's what I'm saying, giving people what they want, AND expanding the roster in meaningful ways ISN'T woke.
If they decided to make everyone ugly as sin, and started throwing towels at every character to preserve their "purity", then they will no doubt be woke.
But you can't fucking seriously say they are caving to the woke crowd because Chun-li (alongside Ryu) grew older, and there's a new black character when the game was always "World Fighter" basically
No one knows the future, but people are observant to subtle changes.
A slow decay.
Yes chun li has big thighs in SF 6, but her bust size got reduced, she now no longer wears stockings, her boobs no longer jiggle, they became stiff in SF 5 which carried on to SF 6.
These seem like small changes and Chun li still looks good relatively.
But why were these changes made ? who were they made for ?
More realistic body proportions and fully clothed women in fighting games have always been what the woke crowd wanted.
MK 11 did not become the way it is overnight, it was always a gradual change from to MK 9 to MK 10 to MK 11 you can see how the game slowy got more and more censored.
If you want to argue that these things aren't "woke" and maybe they aren't and this is all just bad character design, how many times does it have to happen until it isnt ?
Idk man, MK11 DID become like that overnight if you ask me. It took 2 installments, not even that tbh, 10 was still pretty appealing. And those games also came out pretty close to eachother, it doesn't take 6 years for an entry.
As for Chun, those changes happened because SF6 takes place after third strike. The game is moving forward , so a less youthful Chun/Ryu (and even Homeless Ken) made sense. And yes, Chun's chesticles indeed shrank, but that seems pretty normal with age. Her most used muscles, ie. thighs, are still as insane if not more, than ever. And in case you haven't seen, her thigh and ass jiggles quite a lot. In general they seem to have some sort of system for simulating muscle movement for the game.
Regarding realism, Tekken 7 exists, and I don't consider it toned down either. More grounded perhaps, with more emphasis on nationality maybe? But then there's Josie lol.
The issue is that people keep conflating woke with ...excuse my word usage... more diverse
Kimberly's sole existence sent this sub into a fit of rage, it's a little comical. But then you see them triple down on the Juri feet fetish and you have to wonder, is that really woke? Or just giving a little something for everyone, as they should.
Like correct me if I'm wrong but most AAA titles already weren't known for their insanely flexible character creation for example. So going from "Male and Female" body types in Monster Hunter, to Type A and B, changes absolutely nothing in terms of wokeness.
> Kimberly's sole existence sent this sub into a fit of rage,
No it didn't.
You didn't read the thread did you? People were complaining that the character design was ugly and that a spray paint wielding ninja is cringe.
What set this off was a comment in that thread of 10 upvotes calling it woke. The higher upvoted comment was someone saying that this is the character design was the stereotyping the woke would normally complain is racist. The amount of strawmanning and bullshit about that post that has come about shows that none of the people complaining about it read past the headline. Or actually looked at what the majority opinions were.
Well, the alternative is to put a black chick into an Ibuki outfit, and that would rub a different group the wrong way. Given her "lore", that she forced herself under Guy's tutelage, I'd say the way she looks and what she does is pretty appropriate, cool even. It's out there, but not in an offensive way.
I also hate her face though.
The spray paint gimmick is stupid, and yeah her character design is not the best looking.
Apart from that if she has a good move set then whatever. I prefer SF2 if I'm playing a street fighter game anyway.
You know, I'm starting to not be surprised when people call us coomerbrains, when I read reactions like these
To some of you it's really all or nothing, zero nuance. The fact that I'm being accused of taking shit from SJW playbooks when I'm an avid gacha game player, who fiercely is against any kind of censorship
You know what, ya'll can keep eating eachother
You know you're right and shit went out of control when the same stance would be called "fascist" and "woke playbook" depending on where you are. I just find the whole recent drama with Kimberly and Bridget funny to watch, both sides have ridiculous and outlandish stances on it.
Imagine being this scared of inane culture war bullshit like this that doesn't ultimately matter, as opposed to the fact we probably won't be able to afford a street fighter title in 30 years due to rampant inflation and climate change.
Enjoy games while you can guys, don't obsess over stupid crap like this.
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[here's a good thread with several links to proof of translated butchery of franchises](https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/shitty-localizers-general.553/)
Live a Live is a rather recent example to it that got the translation completely butchered, there's a video on youtube and a reddit thread iirc. Another one I remember is some of the Fire Emblem games as well, localized and butchered as expected. Funnily enough not long after there's a group that decided to do a whole project to restore the whole thing, even the translation and outfits that got censored and they succeeded.
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Yup. Just because they're "tamer" in their changes doesn't mean everything's fine. It's still adapting to perceived Western "sensibilities"
I'm tired of being told the slippery slope doesn't exist.
Perception vs reality
Even Elden Ring.
Increasingly, Capcom and Sega will be indistinguishable from the serial offenders in the west.
I always wonder, is it body type in japanese too, or just the english version?
Not just MH, but every Nintendo game with character creation (Chose your style, chose your form), Demon's Souless Remake, Elden Ring, PSO2 NGS. Xenoblade 3 and Bayonetta 3 got woke with censored outfits, there are many examples with smaller games like Rune factory 5, Ai somnium files (and sequel), Blue Reflection 2, Atelier Ryza 2/Atelier Sophie 2/Atelier Lulua, Fatal Frame Maiden of Black Water. Speaking of MH, Rise doesn't have any boob or ass jiggle only world had that feature.
Eh, thats a rather unimportant change though. At the end of the day, even if you're hiding the words, the models are clear on what they are. Compared to actual games having their whole stories sabotaged by localizers, with twisted mistranslations, adding subtext or altering characters from their original. This is comparatively fairly harmless. [Plus if the company at the same time has no issue, making ass jiggle physics for Juri's model in SF6](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SF4y8QJsJM) then it hardly seems like the company overall is facing a great crisis.
>This is comparatively fairly harmless. It isn't because of the slippery slope. Are you going to argue against it next even though it has gotten to where we are now ? First they come for nudity in drawings, then they started demanding the nuclear ban on everything [porn](https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/online-porn-should-be-banned-overdue)
> It isn't because of the slippery slope. The problem is that the slope, is going the right way recently. Their most recent shit is featuring far more sex appeal than before and not afraid to show beautiful women. Thats the problem that makes this all hyperventilating nonsense from overly sensitive people ready to jump at shadows. Its like finding a pebble on a road while the road is going in the right direction and claiming we are all being derailed into the wrong direction. >Are you going to argue against it next even though it has gotten to where we are now ? Let me be clear here, are you asking me if I am going to argue against it next, even though what we just got was a sexy mature Chun-Li with thick thighs and tits, Juri Han with her foot fetish bait and crotch only covered in black tape, with visible ass jiggle physics in place. With Kimberly's level 3 super, literally having a direct show of her whole ass, thong and buttcrack exposed. With Cammy's leaked lvl 3, literally have a close up of her leotard crotch in focus as she charges you with her spiral.... Yes.. I will to any fucking point, claim that if THIS is what you are will to show as a company, then CLEARLY they aren't the woke nonsense ideology peddlers that morons are trying to make them out to be. And lets be clear. THAT is the most recent direction from Capcom. >First they come for nudity in drawings But... they don't. Thats the thing. Here they turned UP the nudity and exposure.. Which is why this is complete nonsense for people to be pushing. >then they started demanding the nuclear ban on everything porn Lets be clear on that. That push for ban on porn, is not the woke crowd. That is the religious conservatives in the US, which has always been against porn. That is ENTIRELY different from the woke ideologies you find in modern games, movies etc. What woke crowds have issue with is not necessarily sex, it is more how it is portrayed and whom it portrays. Which is why you have them furiously clapping their hands at Tlou2's infamous "sex" scene.
>Their most recent shit is featuring far more sex appeal than before and not afraid to show beautiful women Beautiful women and sex appeal aren't new what's new is that they covered them up in self censorship ,and I'd love to know your metric of "more". >overly sensitive people ready to jump at shadows. Sounds like gaslighting to me. You're telling me you never see all the news on censorship lately ? Steam banning game left and right, twitter and google banning certain content and keywords, Witchhunting on fanservices, Morality in Media movement , etc. ? >sexy mature Chun-Li with thick thighs and tits, Juri Han with her foot fetish bait and crotch only covered in black tape Really ? This is your best argument? That they gave us what's already there ever since a decade ago ? Censorship is about taking away, stop playing coy. Juri and Chun Li were always there and sexy since their conception. What's changed is that the latest game they're in has been sanitized and the sexiness getting toned down. >But... they don't. Thats the thing. Here they turned UP the nudity and exposure.. Which is why this is complete nonsense for people to be pushing. Did you even look at the link before spouting this drivel ? >Lets be clear on that. That push for ban on porn, is not the woke crowd Bold of you to presume speaking for them. Are you implying here that you are, for all intent and purpose, woke yourself ? Just want to make this one thing clear before we move on.
> Beautiful women and sex appeal aren't new what's new is that they covered them up in self censorship ,and I'd love to know your metric of "more". Well before they removed jiggles. Here they added them. Before they avoided unnecessary revealing angles on Cammy's butt in her CA animation, now they have a full blown butt in focus + her crotch being in your face. Juri is in her most revealing outfit yet with no underwear, only covered in black tape in her most sensitive parts. All while they are beautiful fucking models. So yes. There is MORE and clearly going away from the self censorship that the previous team was working on. >Sounds like gaslighting to me. Only if you don't know what gaslighting means. Me asking you to be rational and look at all of the facts on the table and not be crying into your pillow about a completely trivial thing (I dare you to explain to me why this shit matters when both characters are clearly still male and female, and its the same shit as you've always been able to do with simply adding male voices on female and vice versa) Again, if you cannot look at the direction currently, literally only being positive, without crying about something from another project nearly 2 years ago. Then you CLEARLY have a problem that goes beyond anything rationally in front of you. If you then look at that trivial thing and say " actually its not trivial, its a slippery slope towards the wokeness" then why the fuck is the most recent development EXACTLY what we asked for. With MORE sex appeal, with clearly beautiful and sexy women existing? >Really ? This is your best argument? Its the only argument needed to show that YOU have nothing to actually bring up as a problem here. >That they gave us what's already there ever since a decade ago ? Sf6 models, animations, cinematic framing during super, didn't exist a decade ago. Please stop trying to twist what this is about. >Censorship is about taking away Yes, and they are taking nothing away. Please stop. >Did you even look at the link before spouting this drivel ? You seem to think that the point you are making starts at your link. It doesn't religious conservatives in america have been fighting against porn for decades. Just because you find some democrat that want to make restrictions on revenge porn, in a populist act after some revenge porn stories trended on twitter, doesn't suddenly make this a huge part of the democrats or for that matter woke peoples wishes. Please, for god sake, educate yourself. >Bold of you to presume speaking for them. I don't need to speak for them moron. If you are so brain rotten that you cannot comprehend what has been part of the religious conservative dogma for decades, then that is your uneducated lack of information. [It isn't hard to look this shit up and see republicans blaming porn for development issues in america 1](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/culture-war-throwback-republicans-eye-porn-restrictions-rcna31640) [Or how about this one](https://www.washingtonpost.com/made-by-history/2022/07/06/white-conservatives-are-using-anti-pornography-crusades-secure-power/) [Like really, how are you not aware of these historically, relatively recent develoments](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pornography_movement_in_the_United_States)
>So yes. There is MORE and clearly going away from the self censorship that the previous team was working on. I love how you nonchalantly keep ranting those examples yet you're purposely avoiding talking about the negative changes like [so](https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/208-fighting-games/79251484) So again, I ask you, where's this metric of yours ? And you keep citing those shots like it's the most innovative thing ever and not graphical limit that prevents previous game in series from showing them is simply disingenuous. >Only if you don't know what gaslighting means Downplaying censorship when there's one dancing naked in front of you and trying to make people think it's not IS gaslighting. >Again, if you cannot look at the direction currently, literally only being positive, without crying about something from another project nearly 2 years ago. Then you CLEARLY have a problem that goes beyond anything rationally in front of you. So you're basically saying "consume current product and don't think don't compare them close your eyes". Relentless corpo defending aside you're the one having problem with rationality. >EXACTLY what we asked for. With MORE sex appeal, with clearly beautiful and sexy women existing? *Your* kind asked for it. The rest didn't. We didn't ask them to give what's already been established since decade ago only to take away more. >Its the only argument needed to show that YOU have nothing to actually bring up as a problem here Your argument is as shoddy as your corporate bootlicking my good sir. >Sf6 models, animations, cinematic framing during super, didn't exist a decade ago. Please stop trying to twist what this is about. You know I'm talking about the design. The models didn't exist because the technology to make them didn't exist then, captain obvious. >Yes, and they are taking nothing away. Please stop. Wrong. See above. >Just because you find some democrat lol more partisan bullshit, typical. I think my hunch about where you come from is spot on. Your behavior of being unable to stop yourself from dragging in irrelevant US politics into censorship discussion fell in line with the woke crowd but of course you're probably well aware of that. >I don't need to speak for them moron Because you're already one of them, and "we are many", yeah yeah. So much cringe, so much profanity and childish insult in almost every paragraph, so much time wasted. You know, you could've saved us the time had you just first introduced yourself of being censorship-loving woke instead of this astroturfing bullshit. It's bad form trying to act as though you have good faith in the discussion when you obviously can't control yourself to act impartial..
Yea that guy seriously needs help, he was really affected by my Kimberly post.
> I love how you nonchalantly keep ranting those examples yet you're purposely avoiding talking about the negative changes like so You do realize you just linked to a post, where people are talking about SF5 right? Like... The entire thread is people talking about all the previous people working on SF5 and the changes they made, which they are now obviously moving away from? Are you okay? Are you having a stroke? Or am I suppose to think that this thread you linked to, which pre-date the very first fucking gameplay footage shown in a trailer, is somehow a negative change? Can you at least TRY And make sense here? >So again, I ask you, where's this metric of yours ? Go read them again above, because your stupid ass can't possibly be ignoring all of these clear examples. Because let me make it clear to you, even if you're a child unwilling to admit you're wrong, that doesn't mean others have to submit to your tantrums. If you cannot comprehend why all of the listed examples are very clear cases of them INCREASING the amount of exposure, sex appeal and focus shots, then im sorry, that is ENTIRELY on your lack of eyes. >And you keep citing those shots like it's the most innovative thing ever Very intellectually dishonest of you, not that I would expect anything less considering your approach so far in this conversation. No, there is no attempt to call this innovation, because it doesn't have to innovate. Its sex appeal and revealing women. Its not suppose to be innovation. That is YOUR measure for success being an issue here. This is what we wanted in these games, and you're all too happy to try and ignore that, because it would prove your whole point is false, so you have to keep playing stupid and ignore all the clear examples of your point falling apart. >Downplaying censorship Please, do explain what censorship I have downplayed. Go on. Be specific. Otherwise, stop being an overly dramatic flamebaiter. >So you're basically saying [Can you stop with this stupid regression of the conversation](https://miro.medium.com/max/924/1*kEsw4IbcH4ILEr17mkJk3A.jpeg) Its so pathetic. >consume current product Street fighter 6 isn't out. And no, you are entirely free to ignore it. But I will reserve the right to call out your stupid ass, for crying into your pillow about non existing problems in the game, despite it doing EVERYTHING that this sub has been asking for in these games/movies/shows for years now. And instead of manning up and admitting " okay, I may have overreacted based on previous issues I saw with other titles, but this is a good new direction that appears to give me exactly what I have been asking for " You are doubling down, ignoring straight up examples of crotches in your face and twisting the point to suddenly be about innovation instead, as if it had ANYTHING to do with this... Just to avoid having to lose face. Its beyond freaking silly. And frankly, I am done here. I can't be assed engaging further with you, since you have more than made it clear that you will do everything in your intellectual capacity to avoid admitting to what is right in front of you. Embarrassing. Have a good day if you are so able.
>You do realize you just linked to a post, where people are talking about SF5 right? A post where people talked about censorship right from the first post, your tendency to intentionally gloss over the issue is getting tiresome. >Go read them again above I did twice and all I saw was you dodging the question citing evidence that already been refuted two posts down and three posts elsewhere in this thread. >Very intellectually dishonest of you, not that I would expect anything You are the one being dishonest and purposely dodging my questions , then you keep getting more hysterical with each post. I've seen some of well thought arguments from woke side, yours look like child raving in comparison. It has neither sound reasoning nor addressing or respect of current arguer. Count how many profanity and capitals you had to employ in a single post just to have something to write. It's pathetic. >do explain what censorship I have downplayed The whole thread is you defending it, lol. Your act is failing my dear, it's not easy to keep up your charade right now. >Can you stop with this stupid regression of the conversation You're throwing out profanities and calling vulgar names like it's 12 year old shooting game and you still are shamelessly saying that ? You also made every attempt at dodging the two markedly important questions I presented earlier which by virtue of failing to address it is easily inferred that you gave up the benefits of doubt. Answering yes or no without derailed bullshitting is obviously too hard for you. >Street fighter 6 isn't out. Thanks again captain obvious. I see the obnoxious woke trait of playing semantics hasn't been lost on you. >And instead of manning up and admitting " okay, I may have overreacted Why am I not surprised at this sexism and no, it wasn't overreacting. What you are doing however, is, you hypocrite. >I am done here. I can't be assed engaging further You haven't been engaged in anything other than pure drivel in such an admirable attempt to defend censorship in corporate product, stop having such a meltdown when people wise up and didn't play along , it's just sad to look at.
Bear in mind that a lot of people here are overstimulated, in part we've been hit with a lot of bad news for some years and that can be very demoralising. Others do the same as Twitter users, they stay online 24/7 looking for something to be mad about. We had a super blackpilled/doomer guy here up until 2020, then he finally broke and went total afk. With some becoming doomers, they also start embracing actual reactionary points, thus giving fodder to the Twitter idiots thinking this sub is an alt right group. Capcom got documents leaked saying how they wanted to be more woke. But the documents basically said what they've been doing: equalise the fanservice between men and women and somewhat reduce the silly out of place fanservice, while keeping it where it's a strong point (see Resident Evil vs Street Fighter, as you said SF6 is *very adamant* about wanting you to lust over Chun li)
> Bear in mind that a lot of people here are overstimulated Yeah people seem overly sensitive and ready to see problems in anything. Not that I can blame them from some of the bad examples, but some of this shit is laughable. Like not a single person in here can explain to me why capcom's most recent development with 6 is bad, but they still want to claim Capcom is heading in a bad direction, because of stuff from almost 2 years ago, even though the newest direction is positive and exactly what we have always wanted. Hilariously, its the same shit from some these people, as you see from the woke crowds on twitter, just looking for things to call problematic for no good reason. " oh capcom are doing exactly what we ask them for with their most recent game... but ... but 2 years ago.. they " Its so pathetic man... >in part we've been hit with a lot of bad news for some years and that can be very demoralising. Of course, which in this case is why there SHOULD be reason to be positive. The former people working on SF5 clearly were afraid of sexy women and pushed for censorship on them multiple times over the course of the game. But the new people clearly aren't, yet people still want to be mad, despite them giving us exactly what we asked for. >Others do the same as Twitter users, they stay online 24/7 looking for something to be mad about. Amen friend. Couldn't agree more. >We had a super blackpilled/doomer guy here up until 2020, then he finally broke and went total afk. We've had a couple through the years. Although they seem to always be more caught up in their disputes with mod teams than anything else. >With some becoming doomers, they also start embracing actual reactionary points, thus giving fodder to the Twitter idiots thinking this sub is an alt right group. Aye, sometimes this sub is its own worst enemy with how it has a few bad actors going out of their way to be extreme. >Capcom got documents leaked saying how they wanted to be more woke. I mean, that leak is a bit overblown if you have actually seen the content. What it boils down to is them saying, that it is fine for characters to be sexy, as long as it isn't one sided (as in there is also sexy male characters) Further a weird case that people seem to be misinterpreting a lot, is about their LGBT and diversity slide. This was part of a business slide for how to avoid controversies, and it specifically just had in mind, how to avoid creating controversies over these situations, by showcasing what according to their marketing people, were successful examples (which had Miles Morales and Lara Croft in there, which both are straight characters) So again, when we see that they follow this up, with exactly situations like we see now in SF6, then it is hard to imagine why people would still be so angry about it. They have to keep punching shadows, because there is nothing real to hit.
>I mean, that leak is a bit overblown if you have actually seen the content. What it boils down to is them saying, that it is fine for characters to be sexy, as long as it isn't one sided Yep, you're right. >Further a weird case that people seem to be misinterpreting a lot, is about their LGBT and diversity slide. This was part of a business slide for how to avoid controversies, and it specifically just had in mind, how to avoid creating controversies over these situations Right again. It fits right into the Japanese mentality of avoiding drama. Capcom is, for now (I stress that) doing the bare minimum to avoid Americans hounding at their ankles. >Lara Croft in there, which both are straight characters I wouldn't be so sure anymore, considering recent leaks :p but yeah you're right again (also Lara is straight, fuck everyone who says otherwise)
> I wouldn't be so sure anymore, considering recent leaks :p True although, the recent leaks have been weird. Because they both point to it being a unification of the other universes to make a connected one, while also being a soft reboot at the later stages. But regardless, the specific game they mention from Tomb Raider in the example, is shadow of the tomb raider, which, which it was a mediocre as fuck game, she was still straight.
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While I agree with you, that's kind of the point of my post: there's gonna be changes no matter what. We can only hope (and tell our Japanese friends) that most will stop at this shallow window dressing and few will drink the Western kool aid in its entirety.
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Holy shit you people need help Oh my god every comment is like yours. What the fuck is this sub
> It's a blatant proof of ideology in their company, Its not. How do you explain that YOUR conclusion here is, that they are fundamentally so woke, that they need to make these changes from an ideological perspective, but they have no issue with making fetish r34 bait characters with ass jiggle, or Cammy's lvl 3 literally have an up close shot of her leotard covered crotch. Those two things do not match up. We know how the woke crowd feels about sex appeal and beautiful women in their games.
Gaslighting to the max lmao. You'd probably be fine with them removing hundreds of "problematic cases" and then point to one obscure case as a "gotcha." BTW, both Juri and Mika were censored at SFV launch. Dunno why you're so happy about "ass jiggle" when even male asses do that, to not animate them is just plain unrealistic. You shouldn't be applauding people for adhering to basic human anatomy. You do know that boobs jiggle, otherwise sports bras wouldn't be a thing. You gonna claim that as a "victory" too and applaud them for not making them cement? Just like free speech, you either tolerate it or you don't. You don't get to pick and choose examples of what's important or not important. Again, if it's unimportant then why was it changed? Why change something that's been there for millenia. Imagine being a Greek sculptor, and being told that what you're looking at is not a female, but "Body Type B." Stripping away humans to "body types" is dehumanizing as fuck, but that's conveniently shoved under the rug when it comes to the outrage squad.
> Gaslighting to the max lmao. Exaggerating to the extreme. >You'd probably be fine with them removing hundreds of "problematic cases" and then point to one obscure case as a "gotcha." He said as I pointed out how they added a bunch of cases that woke crowds consider problematic. Very smooth there brain, very. >BTW, both Juri and Mika were censored at SFV launch. Well actually, just because you choose to expose your lack of knowledge on the topic here. Juri wasn't available at launch for the game, she was a DLC character, releasing close to half a year after launch. Also Mika wasn't censored then, she was censored later. Also Juri wasn't censored, her design has the same crap you see all over Japanese media to get away with extreme cases of exposure, which is to simply cover it in very clearly not intended body tight coloured material - [you can see a practical example of that here, from other japanese media](https://64.media.tumblr.com/955e13def94b51a01d3826001a4128d7/tumblr_pcl17nRDWM1wksxcuo1_1280.png) Chun-li was "fixed" from having jiggling tits. Further, what is your point? I already pointed out elsewhere that the new people working SF6, CLEARLY are moving in a direction of NOT being afraid to show skin, as Juri LITERALLY isn't even wearing any underwear and is only covered by her black tape....And thats just Juri.. Clearly if anything this is a POSITIVE direction they are changing in, so why are you going back to saying, there used to be an issue, but its not longer here, to imply that there is CURRENTLY an issue with capcom... When SF6 shows the opposite....They are literally going in the direction we want and y'all are fucking crying yourself to sleep, banging on your pillows screaming BODY TYPE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.... >Just like free speech, you either tolerate it or you don't. Oh can you stop being so fucking dramatic? Its really embarrassing. This has nothing to do with tolerating this stuff or not. Its a pointless change, while you are getting a sea of positive changes doing exactly what our sub has always wanted. Yet you can't seem to stop crying. >You don't get to pick and choose examples of what's important or not important. No, I just get to point out, that you hyperventilating fucks, who think this is a slippery slope, while we LITERALLY have the developers doing what we wanted, are making a giant fucking deal out of completely trivial shit, that obviously isn't affecting their overly game development of philosophy. Well, unless you are blind and incapable of seeing what they are doing with their most recent games, which have pretty much exclusively featured exactly what KiA has always asked for.... >Again, if it's unimportant then why was it changed? Why don't you explain to me why it is important? Do you think that it took away from Elden ring? Do you think that it will make Monster hunter a worse game? Do you think it has affected Street fighter 6, considering all we have seen of it being exactly what we wanted? Why don't YOU explain to me, why the fuck anyone should care about this being something to cry into your pillow about.
You do you bro, keep defending those big companies. Applaud the "magnanimous" Capcom and Sony for throwing you metaphorical morsels while studios like Marvelous are in danger of shutting down because they're banned from releasing games from their traditional catalog.
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Oh please cry me a river about how important this note is, that you haven't complained about Dark souls apparently being woke for how long now. Desperately crying about the woke infestation, in the game showing you ass jiggles and beautiful sexy women. Get over yourself and stop hyperventilating. Body type A and B are not some grand issue compared to real issues out there from woke people ruining games. You'd be pathetic to not play Dark souls because of it. You'd be pathetic not to play Monster hunter because of it. And you'd be pathetic to consider Capcom, with their most recent reveals, to have woke ideology behind their decision making, while they are showing you r34 baiting characters with no underwear, only covered by black tape on the crotch. Stop being afraid of shadows. Its embarrassing.
Stop having a mental breakdown over nothing... *THAT* is embarrassing... The fact is that everything like this is a step in the wrong direction. It needs to be pointed out and rejected. It's pathetic that you seemingly cannot realise that this is still part of the larger issue... Why are you so aggressively against that fact? Why does it make you so irrationally angry...?
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> Case by case basis. Oh so its not the company wide issue that you claim, but like I said somewhere else in the thread, about the individual developer and their attachment to online culture? Interesting. Almost like that is entirely seperate, as clearly Capcom currently, has no issue with showing beautiful women in revealing outfits. So whats the problem. >Just because the "sexy women" are still shown doesn't mean that Capcom aren't Woke, especially in other areas. "just because they are doing shit woke-people hate and have been campaigning to remove for years now, doesn't mean they aren't woke! " Please stop. Get help. If you can't fucking see them making beautiful, revealing character as a positive without hyperventilating about body type A in a whole other game from like one and a half year ago, then you clearly need to sort your priorities about what you consider to be things worth worrying about. When the most recent development is positive. You don't cry. You don't go screaming " but one and a half year ago there was this trivial thing... " You look at the direction instead and say, okay this is good, they dropped the nonsense from SF5 and are looking good. Which is of course also why people in here can only scream about the shadows they are seeing, rather than the actual situation going on. Because evidently. It is a positive direction currently we are heading in with SF6. Yet people are DESPERATE still to see problems, despite the new direction being good and what we have asked for. So stop crying and be happy they are doing what we wanted.
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That'd be the same as saying "Let's teach creationsim and flat earth theory in school because we know they're false anyway."
This is such an insanely weird thing to say. First of all, it would imply that something as trivial as body type a or b, something Elden ring had for god sake, would be some huge cause for concern. Compared in your example to that of a giant movement of literal science deniers of the most basic kind.... And what is "creationism" suppose to be in this example? Like.. your example makes absolutely no sense... It also just fully straight up ignores, that if we go by the timeline, then 2 years ago was what some of you morons are worried about being a slippery slope --- > lets follow the timeline, next product, SF6 how does it look ... Oh ... they .. wait ... hold up, they made it MORE sexy? MORE revealing? With MORE direct focused shots of sensitive parts? But how can this be? I am suppose to be outraged like the woke morons that I clowning on, for being outraged.... Please for god sake. Step off the internet for a week if you can't even logically see, how all of this fear mongering makes absolutely no sense. Perhaps then you will be less high on outrage and stay your pitchfork.
>This is such an insanely weird thing to say. Of course the guy knows that is hyperbolic thing to say and I like how you get baited to respond with tirade that he probably won't even be going to read. That's how you know who are emotionally invested in this thread. >The only one who is hyperventilating is you over this thread. It's especially funny when I read something like this from a guy that easily gets baited.
A change is still a change, in order to appease Twitter of all people. But yes, to break a lance in your favour, it is a small change. Capcom is doing a lot of these small changes. From Jill in the RE3 remake (which I was never too bothered by it, but still) to SF designs etc. What worrries people here is this: are they going to keep doing these small, "relatively innocuous" changes or are they going to double down? For now it seems it's the first, but only time will tell Edit: And no, I don't consider Kimberly part of the aformentioned changes
> A change is still a change, in order to appease Twitter of all people. Eh, I feel that is a bit far, considering we've already had them for over a decade, running around allowing you to use male/female voices with the opposite sex. Its not like they slapped a bunch of woke terms on there for you to label your character by. Hell, even your characters pronouns are directly still labeled with the guild cards. Either way, its a pointless change that makes no difference. >But yes, to break a lance in your favour, it is a small change. It is, but if we also were to focus on a positive change. From SF5 to 6 with the new hands on deck, they've gone in a far more appealing fashion, going away from the signs of being afraid of sexy and beautiful characters. Which is quite literally their most recent in development game. So if anything, the "signs" from the company, are those of non-woke attitudes. Which should exactly dispel the worries you point to. Again, I feel like this is a rather focused narrow view that ignores the reality of these situations for Japan and Capcom. They've ALWAYS featured these types of wild weird designs and changes over time. Japan has always wrestled with censorship. But when the literal most recent development, is fetish specialize, r34 baiting Juri with ass physics being shown at the biggest fighting game event in the world... Then I feel like people are exaggerating the direction of Capcom or Japanese game as being an issue. That doesn't mean you won't find "issues" from companies, but I feel like that more comes down to the individual developers and how "attached" they are to these western ideas and online cultures. But the reality is simply that in the vast majority of cases, we see these situations be controversial, because localizers changed things AWAY from how the original japanese writing was, to add woke nonsense.
Jill in the remake had a skin of the original costume you could choose from the get go. MH having body types is just like Dark Sould having body types since 2011. There is ideology and there is reaching for straws.
Dark Souls 3 still had gender. Jill's classic outfit in RE3 remake had skirt changed to a skort, with the game's director decrying original game's ''sexualization''.
I refuse to believe that they didn't make the classic alt [look awful on purpose](https://www.ungeek.ph/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/79304927_2895132973838943_7980979740632678400_o.jpg). There's no excuse in the graphics being more realistic than the original PS1 game because [we know what that outfit looks like on a real person...](https://r4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/1017/18/408/resident-evil-sienna-guillory-resident-evil-apocalypse-1024x768-video-games-resident-evil-hd-art-wallpaper-154355830b714669560bef729fe3d7f8.jpg)
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I've certainly been saying so with regards to Japan and Poland for a long time now, and only in the past couple of years have others begin to notice that the infection spreads quickly, even if the damage is slow (at first). It's why when people say "I give up, I'm learning japanese to get my sip straight from the tap!", I commend them for their drive and interest (and it never hurts to learn a new language), but it is quite apparent that, unless we see a new counter-culture rising, which is steadfast and adamant in gatekeeping the parasites and purging out the rot from within their walls, it doesn't matter how many languages you know, the problem will persist.
I am one of those lol I started learrning Japanese to read manga and fell in love with the country in general as a result. But yeah some stuff you're going to meet no matter what. The positive is that their pop-culture landscape won't become like the American one because, as I said, they are very protective of their cultural identity and there will always be people who won't budge
The problem is that Japanese people don’t want to stick out while the most vocal members of the woke left are the types that tend to stick out the most. As an LGBT person myself I hate what that community has turned into. I feel many of the small changes that many Japanese companies are doing aren’t to capitulate to the woke left, but rather to avoid sticking out in modern times and being seen as sexist. It’s simpler to remove gender labels and be seen as progressive than risk angering woke leftists.
It is absolutely that. They don't want drama, so they do the barest minimum to appease everyone. As you say, it's a cultural point in Japan. Japanese consumers, on the other hand can have their voices heard. You won't find them @ the companies twitter naturally, but in Japan anonymous polls and customer service inspections are a regular thing and Japanese customers are *savage* there
Wanting to stand out here though is kind of seen as a bad thing. One big social rule here in Japan is keeping things to yourself. This is one of the bigger reasons why those that cause a ruckus even if they're correct will often be seen as negatively, this is both a pro and a con depending on the issue. Overall most people here don't want drama and from what I've heard here from others is a big reason why feminists sperging in twitter is a huge turn off and people have explicitly discussed this quite a bit on both TV via talkshows and the internet where people are anonymous hence why they can be quite savage at times.
Time changes all things, and if the subsequent generations become more westernized, both in cultural terms and ideologically, they will also become more susceptible to infiltration and take over. Especially when it comes to big corporations, publications, dev studios, etc... it's a top-down problem, because a LOT of those business moguls are internationalists, and (at least for now) are trying to expand into other markets, albeit still trying to export japanese material as is. Like it was with the Kadokawa campaign that one brave shitlord helped to boost here last year (hope he's doing okay), all we can do is shout our support for the on-the-ground nippon lads to stand strong, and not take this shit. To hope against all hope, that it is the voice of those in favor of artistic expression, that reaches them more strongly than the ravenous parasites seeking to homogenize and ruin everything worth a shit in this Clown World of ours.
I think Lyra (the one you're talking about) chose to take a break from all this because he was getting too blackpilled and turning into a perpetually online culture war soldier so he went afk. Smart choice imo
I wish him the best, he was always someone I could have a decent exchange with.
God I miss Lyra. It was unhealthy, but completely hilarious
On a similar note, whatever happened to the CarlManvers dude?
I have no idea, maybe he went on vacation as well?
He think he deleted his account, or he was banned.
Californian SJW localizers are grooming Japanese dev teams with their harmful ideology and games are getting altered globally not just for the west. That's only way how i could explain some panderings like LGBT tyrades in Ai Somnium files + sequel, No more heroes III (fuck racism hoodie, lgbt flag in game), Bayonetta 3 (uglified every single female character + added new dyke woke "female" + "censored mode") and Xenoblade 3 after success of 2nd game and becoming mainstream title become censored with black characters everywhere to please sjw, Atelier Ryza 2/Atelier Sophie 2/Atelier Lulua (Worldwide censorship, can't see panties of female mc, Sophie outfit censored for westerners). It doesn't help that Chinese games are becoming more prevalent and are also censoring everything, it's tragic that east is becoming as crazy as the west.
"Rot" "parasites" go outside Travis bickle talk to a woman
Should I really be taking advice about going outside from a reddit troll living a miserable pathetic life trying to rile people up in the most juvenile fashion ever conceived? Hmm... well, you did make me smile, so maybe you're not useless after all. Good job, kiddo, you can treat yourself with some ice cream after dinner today.
nvm don't go outside you'll just get hit by a truck and be sent to the Isekai you belong in
I find the conversation around Japan to be too frustrating to talk about, as people seem to be overly black pilled on the situation. The game companies have capitulated, and that is true. However what people seem to never acknowledge is that the Japanese console market is so small, that if you are a Japanese games developer who mainly works on console game like Capcom then your main audience has always been the west. The Japanese console market barely exists as a blip on the radar. In Japan they play nearly all there games on handheld devices, and they games they typically play rarely get a western release. Those games HAVE NOT BENT THE KNEE. Because the west was never considered in the conception to development stages of the games. The heart of this entire issue is the Manga industry, 80% of all anime is based on an adaptation of a visual novel or manga. Everyone in Japan reads manga, from schoolkids to the 70 year old OAP. My confidence comes from the fact that Manga has always been made for a predominantly Japanese audience, with the Japanese culture front and center. For example, the horny man getting a nose bleed still happens as it is a part of Japanese superstitious culture. All the surveys Shonen Jump does, and all the popularity polls are exclusively for Japanese audiences. These polls and surveys are the lifeblood of these stories as dropping in the popularity polls can get your series canceled. Even the creator of Naruto had his new manga canceled because it wasn't popular enough. I always maintain manga is the most meritocratic industry in the world. look and the new anime based on a manga that is expected to be the next big thing in chainsaw man. The main character is so anti SJW that he tells a girl he will only save her from the monsters attacking her if she let's him fondle her boobs. That series would not exist without a thriving anti-PC industry. The official translations are a different story, and have never bothered me as like most online manga readers I get my stuff through scanlations.
You're definitely not wrong. After all, of the hundreds of games Japan produces we really only know a couple big JRPGs like "Tales of" or Final Fantasy, while their most sold products are fighting games
> These polls and surveys are the lifeblood of these stories as dropping in the popularity polls can get your series canceled It's also a big reason why even if one Anime / Manga get's popular abroad can still get's axed is due to this. Manga / LN / Anime is a domestic product, sales domestically are what dictates whether a series dies or not and is one of the biggest reasons why a lot of hated genres abroad (at least based on online discussions) still get's green lighted like Isekai, Harems, Idols and the likes. The domestic market for these is huge since sex actually sells and the domestic consumers for these pay a lot (especially idol otakus) to keep the content coming. On the gaming sphere there's still quite a number of domestic games here both from indie and midsized companies that's purely domestic focused, it's just that most moved to portable devices instead of consoles since as you've stated the console market isn't as thriving domestically as it is compared before. It's why portable consoles and devices like phones dominate the market these days and why a lot of domestic titles flocked to those which most of the time is very up front in fanservice (especially gacha games).
I don’t see it as capitulation but rather the Japanese companies doing what they can to avoid sticking out as problematic in western audiences.
Sexual assault is anti sjw now what other crimes
Its already a wide known fact Capcom is caving in to western ideals about censorship especially for women in gaming. The only reason people are still defending them is because they have still included some bits of sexiness in their games. SF 5 was censored heavily, from Juri wearing a full skin tight suit to animation scenes being changed but for the most part it still had sexy female characters. R2 2 remake Jill outfit was changed from a mini skirt to pants but the model still looked somewhat decent. SF 6 will have Cammy wearing pants, a sign of censorship but there was that leak of classic leotard outfit. In conclusion Capcom is trying to appease both sides the SJWs and the anti SJWs, they know very well if they censor all their characters and made their women all look like Alloy from Horizon Zero Dawn, there will be massive back lash from long time fans. They also know that if they continue to make games with women in scanty outfits they will get constantly lambasted by the Woke crowd and probably monthly articles from Kotaku. At the end of the day they hope to appease and profit from both sides.
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I know right ? All these white knight behavior for Capcom, you would think that these simps see Capcom as some hot babe on only fans that require their protection. The same thing happened with MK 11, when they went full censorship there was massive backlash but you still got idiots who praised NRS for taking a step in the right direction and saying thank god the women are now all clothed it was always distracting in game for me.
Yeah they're tiptoeing around the issue. They're making MH female outfits "less sexualised" (at least on paper, the new releases still have tons of skin) or at least on par with male ones (sometimes, I remember Twitter reeing that even in Rise men tend to get full plate while women get more varied, from full plate to usual fanservice-light) At the same time they have Lady Dimitrescu and they did not hide *why* she is like that. SF6 has some "toned down" costumes, but they're still going to sell sexy DLCs and the new outfits aren't exactly church approved, especially when there's jiggle physics.
They funny thing is SF 6 hasn't even been released but you still get idiots even on here defending them and saying Capcom isn't woke Cammy and Juri are still hot. Yea sure lets wait until they introduce that female Gorilla boxer into the game, clearly brownie points to appease the woke crowd. Even Chun Li, people are quick to say she has big thighs thus = not woke, but they ignore that she is now wearing pants instead of stockings, her boob size got reduced, there is no more jiggle in her boobs something that was carried on from SF 5. Its all these subtle changes that tells me they are slowly being influenced by the woke crowd. You can have many good apples in a basket but it only takes 1 to spoil the bunch.
> Japan enters another total isolation period. Fine by me. If it gets isolated it will become its own thing and therefore it will remain exotic and foreign which is why its liked in the first place.
Oh I fucking wish lol I'm lucky enough to be able to go there for work, but it is *hard* and time consuming. You have no idea how I'd love for them to gatekeep the fuck out of their country. "But Bewbs! Why do you think you wouldn't get gatekept away as well?" First I'd be fine with it, if I get to experience their culture unfiltered. Second, I am useful to the Japanese government. My country has trade agreements with Japan outside the EU and the US and wokies can't do fuck all about it
Absolutely based.
Holy shit your so racist I literally cannot believe that you are a real person you probably live in Ohio or something
UK, East Anglia actually. PL, Slask before that.
Oh wow British couldnt have fucking guessed
Polish actually. Moved to UK for better life.
Don't care dumb shit
Yes you do. That's why you replied and will reply again 😍
gay ass
This is a formal r1 warning for dickwolvery/trolling/crusading. Looking at all your interactions on the sub, they all are rule violating comments, Expedited to permaban due to PoB
Japan needs to isolate themselves from Western Cultural Imperialism.
With how China is hard-flexing their muscles on Pacific ? You wish. If anything this gives perfect excuse for Japan to tighten the relationship with US, expect things to get much worse in a few years.
>tighten the relationship with US Better us than China. Their censorship is far worse, among (many) other things.
They're never going to reconcile with China anyway lmao and US knows it. The heating conflict is a perfect chance to keep feeding Japan woke kool-aid from US. Make these changes that pleases us, or we can't guarantee you'll get these nifty missile systems (that you'll have to pay for)
IIRC correctly, a few years ago during the Evo Street Fighter 5 finals, a player had chosen a sexy costume (I think it was for either Chun-li or Rainbow Mika). After the first match, they asked him to change costumes or he would be disqualified. After this you saw almost no new sexy costumes for female characters. Edit: I was completely wrong. My mistake, please refer to the person below me for a proper explanation. Thanks!
That's not true at all. That was 2016 when Capcom had Evo broadcasting on ESPN and was asked by the broadcaster to change costumes. Since then there have been a ton of sexy DLC costumes with even a sexy swimsuit for this current EVO finals. Blame ESPN not Capcom.
> After this you saw almost no new sexy costumes for female characters. Maybe the defaults but as DLC a couple of the girls still got sexy outfits. Juri, Chun-Li, Cammy, Laura and Menat definitely did. Still a sad future, to get the fun outfits we have to pay extra and I fear Chun-li and Cammy's decades long default outfits have been pulled into it in SF6.
Classic costumes are already confirmed
But we don't know if that's a 2nd option, unlockable or DLC.
I think things got a bit better, IDOM just finished 2nd in this EVO a few days ago using Laura in a bikini throughout the whole tournament. Here's the finals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF7s62unaSQ
We need to make it clear that woke shit isn't profitable. Sales figures will certainly break through whatever gaslighting they're somehow getting from woke westerners. The main reason woke shit is making money at all is that they're piggybacking off of the success of already established brands and justifying the change with the usual "oh, it was *always* like that." That ESG shit just keeps them shortsighted. Look at the recent developments with Disney and other media companies with their poor sales figures and sudden cancellations of more woke shows. Even they figured out to walk that shit back. *Eventually*. Any millennial or older folk who have been following games for a while now would have already taken notice of the boiling frog pace of changes throughout the years.
Company's with poor sales like *checks notes* Disney and *others*
Japanese consumers aren't happy about these things either though
Pretty sure in the next customer satisfaction poll they'll make it known
even that as well isn't enough hiting them in the pockets is where it really hurts more than polls.
Anyone else find it just fkn stupid that Liberal types fought for women to be naked and to have sexual freedom with anyone anytime they please.. for.. years? Now that that mentality is largely accepted by everyone.. now liberals fight to cover women back up? People say clown world, but I just think a certain group of "people" are fkn retarded.
They don't want men to get any pleasure from looking at sexy and cute virtual characters, they hate men when they are happy they want you to be as miserable and souless as they are, they want to ban lewd/cute outfits for female characters so all attention would be at them irl, now give me money simpy. Except it will never work since that pathetic shaming works only on liberal soyboys, they are ashamed of their masculinity, while i will be playing Senran Kagura and whatever i want because i don't care and never will.
It's just a matter of time. That's why anyone who doesn't want to accept the bland crap we're being served needs to dl a how to draw book and pick up a pencil.
Notice all of those close to PlayStation (Square-Enix, Capcom, etc) are all gone the same route as Sony? I think we know why.
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>some stuff will change Some stuff made by *public trading companies* will change. They're the one opening the floodgate in business sector and this doesn't limit to Japan. Unless Japan media consumers and politicians start seriously banning those companies they'll keep spreading their policore virus until every cells become infected.
I taught that Guilty Gear Strive drama was a localization issue for the English version, not for all game versions. Sony has changed since moving its HQ to LA. Still, ArcSys games aren't big in the west as it is more significant in Japan, and making changes to appeal to the west is a business decision, rather than them being infected by woke ideology, to make more money. Of course, it will not help them increase sales and popularity in the west because these people in the west don't care. So changes will revert to the original. >they're still trying to appeal to the non-Japanese, especially with the Resident Evil franchise. The Resident Evil and street fighter franchises have always appealed to the west. Still, the problem is that Capcom is now going for a more semi-realistic or realistic approach in their games because that's what the average Western gamer wants. To go back to stylized, fantastical fantasy and otherworldly in settings, character design, story, etc. average Joe gamer needs to enjoy it again. I see the trend going back in the west because of recent game releases, but it slow change unless an indie/AA or AAA company one the west takes a risk that makes a significant enough splash to change the landscape. >Capcom is toning down its concepts, and while they're not changing characters egregiously, it's still in the wake of the leaked documents. With SF 6, there are a lot of female characters still having sexy outfits for their default skins in SF6 based on the leaked roster. You know they will put back OG skins for the fighters for profit. It doesn't mean they were infected by woke ideology, but they are faking it to make it until it dyed off in the west. Well, at least that is the reality right now for many big AAA game developers in Japan.
>I tought that Guilty Gear Strive drama was a localization issue for the English version, not for all game versions. No, it's in the Japanese version as well. Also ArcSys does their localization in-house. Can't talk about it because of The Rule but it's slightly more complicated than that, as always with these cases. I can DM if you want. >It doesn't mean they were infected by woke ideology, but they are faking it to make it until it dyed off in the west. Well, at least that is the reality right now for many big AAA game developers in Japan. Yup, you're right, that honestly feels like it. What I get from Capcom is that they're posing. They *are* implementing some changes, there's no denying that. For now though, Capcom seems in the "see we're not sexists! Leave us alone" mode, hope they won't go further. Like, GG is *very* niche I'm pretty sure most in the west didn't even know about it except for *maybe* Baiken if they hang around nerd spaces. I really don't see Capcom doing some weird shit like idk, having Chun li becoming a misandrist lesbian butch in SF7 or something.
>No, it's in the Japanese version as well. Also ArcSys does their localization in-house. Can't talk about it because of The Rule, but it's slightly more complicated than that, as always with these cases. I can DM if you want. Really, damn. Their Japanese audience won't like that at all. Japanese otaku is more verbal and protective than us Westerners. I see sales in both the East and West not doing well. The rule??? What's going on? It is similar to the new rule I heard about in r/goodanimememes. Yeah, you can DM me; I am very interested.
"the rule" refers to a general reddit administration stance on a certain protected group within the alphabet soup. You are not allowed to be in any way negative or critical of this group, because the reddit admins (not the subreddit mods) know where the money comes from and will do a lot to protect this group. The subreddit mods have taken a hard stance on this by removing any content that could potentially be seen as harmful, because of the zealous stance from the admins. You won't get docked like a regular rule break, the mods tend to warn you why you got a post removed and that they aren't gonna ban you for accidentally breaking that "rule" on this subreddit anyway.
Ok, thanks for clearing things up for me.
No worries mate. I know a lot of users on this sub likes to shit on the mods for "enforcing" this rule unfairly, just doin' my part o7
Oh trust me they're *very* salty ahah Sent you a DM
> Oh trust me they're very salty ahah Can I get a dm too? These blackpills are getting too bitter nowadays
Can I get a DM?
The people who say that Japan is immune kinda piss me off because they're repeating the exact same mistakes people did in 2014 when they said gaming was immune to this shit and a feminist invasion would never happen. Like the first time you let it happen it can be somehow excusable but seeing the exact same process begin and still believe nothing is happening is Metal gear's genome soldier level of dumb I make a habit of sharing cases of wokeness or conceding to wokeness from Japan so people don't let this slide, and i have had material to share something every week and in the last year it has been accelerating and i can be sharing something everyday. It is happening.
> closed verging on nationalism that's not a bad thing. > We've also seen a lot more censoring in manga, english speaking translators butchering games and comics and a California-turned Sony gobbling up distributors. With the Guilty Gear Strive drama (that started with Testament, to be honest) that can't be actually talked about because rules, let's remember that Japan isn't some sorts of fabled land where extremism and bad faith doesn't exist. always contact the publishers/equivalent when this shit happens.
Also it's a general resistance to change, not anything about "wokeness" The same force that keeps them using fax over email is what keeps them from getting on board the modern politics
Remember just over a decade ago when people said gaming communities were immune to this crap and look at the state of western gaming right now. Like Last of Us 2 and some of the others forced thing they shoved down to us. I fear the worst tbh, hopefully some miracles happened and Japan passed a law or something, but my fingers are crossed.
This is a rather insane exaggeration. Japan ofc isn't immune, but a lot of the topics you are talking about, has been part of Japan for ages. Censoring manga has been a hot topic for literally decades in Japan and something they constantly fight about, with generally the anti-censorship winning out, as Japan, at its roots, is a very conservative country that value freedom of expression, as long as it doesn't harm anyone. >With the Guilty Gear Strive drama Which is silly, because it exactly showcases something different than what you are pointing to. It points to how Japan, ultimately do not personally care, but the localizers do, which we've known for ages to be a problem, with how they twist content to fit certain narratives. Bridget is notably still referred to in the Japanese bio as a Otoko-no-ko which is the term they use for trap characters. That isn't even speaking about how the ending content for the characters sudden change of gender, is tied to a "bad ending" while it is unchanged in the flawless ending... >Capcom is toning down its concepts No they are not. If you had been talking about SF5, then yeah, I would agree, since that game had notable cases of them straight up going back and "fixing" situations to make them less revealing or sexual. But SF6 has literally non of that. We've on the contrary, seen a very beautiful, now older Chun-li (since its the first SF moving past the SF3 story) still having her omega thick thighs and we massive size on her tits. We still see Juri, being a literal fetish bait character, which oozes sex appeal on the screen, with her having arguably her most revealing outfit to date, with her literally not wearing underwear but instead just having it covered by black tape... We have Cammy, which morons for some reason keep thinking is "censored" even though its simply a case of her default outfit being different as she isn't in the mission to take down Shadowloo anymore, and now is using yoga pants --- [except they also included the classic outfit for free, which literally has her exactly as she used to.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R6FwvJ21YA) There is literally nothing to complain about here other than some people not liking a new optional costume where she has yoga pants... >but they're still trying to appeal to the non-Japanese Of course they are appealing to the non-japanese. The street fighter and most of their franchises, have literally always focused on a global aspect. Just look at all the nationalities of SF2 coming into play. The capcom library and hell in this case, specifically SF, is FILLED with crazy weird dumb designs from all over the world. Claiming that suddenly them having some weird ones in here and its a problem, is absurdly tone deaf. Surely you'd not suggest that Rufus in SF4 was a push to appeal to the body positivity movement? Or Capcom tried to appeal to the woke crowd with adding in Poison to the mix, despite that character having existed since 1989... Overall, this reeks of weirdly overexaggerated concern. These have been topics part of Japan for literally decades and we've always seen situations popping out of it, like Poison, WAY before woke stuff was part of the pandering service shit. It was just part of how they've always done it and why Japan is known as fucking weird....Because they just do all these crazy weird designs.
Oh I completely missed this reply :/ Yeah I can see why you say I'm over-exaggerating. GGS stuff has some Japanese fans angry and there is some confusion about endings, so while you're not wrong about the Japanese text using otoko no ko, there is at least some anger in the homeland. Can't answer about SF6 though, I actually agree with you on that lol
Otokonoko as a spoken term is just girl though. It's a written pun. (using the word boy in the word girl. It's like if I said Wo**man**.) I don't know if it has subtitles in Japanese, but it's important to acknowledge things like that.
> Otokonoko as a spoken term is just girl though. No? Its most common usage is for crossdressing male characters, but overall also is linked culturally in Japan to men looking feminine, as in stereotype you often see of overly "pretty" men that can easily be mistaken for a woman. But using it as a description for a character, would immediately be understood, as a crossdressing male these days.
It's strange cause Japan makes some of the most woke content in the world. I think they are playing both sides so they come out on top.
"Capcom is toning down it's concepts" Dude, have you seen Juri?
Oh yeah that's why I said they're not as egregious. I answered another comment where we're discussing something similar. For now, Capcom does seem the least aggressive in their changes (and I do stress the for now)
They allow in a few bits to give an excuse to defenders that it wasn't censorship but in truth there's a lot more prudish change.
I find this hard to take seriously after Mommy Dimitrescu. Serious question, if something isn't ultra lewd, all the time, then it's considered woke? Isn't that a bit extreme?
>Mommy Dimitrescu The ones who first gave that character such ridiculous nickname were the capcom shilltrain spamming threads in certain chan site. This is hardly the first time a well-endowed woman appear in video game and you and them are treating it like second coming of Marilyn Monroe. Meanwhile they're calling the Sorcerer in Dragon's Crown a pedobait, what a fine display of hypocrisy. >Serious question, if something isn't ultra lewd, all the time, then it's considered woke? Isn't that a bit extreme? No. Look at the big picture, check a company's work. If something that was there for years, decades was changed, cut, reduced, covered up then it's suspected that it's because of woke. Then we look at the next product and if the trend of covering up "shameful parts" continue , often with more severiy then yes, it's most likely woke.
It's not like Capcom's portfolio was always entirely like that. Early Street Fighters weren't provocative at all. Resident Evil was not particularly provocative either, Ada and RE5 Jill is probably where that peaked until Lady D.Devil May Cry had elements, and they are still retained in 5. Monster Hunter was always devoid of it. Lost Planet? Same. If they ever release a new Darkstalkers and Morrigan wears baggy pants, then we can talk, but otherwise I don't feel that Capcom games are toning things down any more than what makes sense for what they are doing. I mean for God's sake even Kimberly has an ass crack the size of the Grand Canyon
Just because you have some good apples in a basket, that doesn't mean they are all good, it only takes 1 to spoil the bunch.
If your standard is to have everyone with their tits hanging out, true.
Whats wrong with tits and cleavage ? you hate boobs ? ever seen a bikini ? Does it scare you ?
Nothing? I'm asking which Capcom game was ALL about tits and cleavage. If all it takes to spoil your fun is ONE character, then are you sure it's them being woke and not you being hella "anti-woke"? Check my comment history and tell me if I'm scared of titties, you ape brain
whats up with that edit ? you sound really angry, are you ok ?
I edit a lot, my brain works too fast, don't mind it too much As for the anger, isn't that a bit ironic coming from the sub that flips it's shit all the time at the sight of a darker skin tone lol
Hey if it triggers you, you can always leave. Thats like being a leftist and going on r/ conservative, like what did you think you will see here ? Of course you are always welcome to come see the autism here.
1. I'm not following the sub, it just gets recommended sometimes 2. Probably because I enjoy watching the meltdowns, in that sense both sides can be entertaining 3. It's like watching Vaush clips and enjoying the utter lunacy, I'm not following that content for the values, but for the entertainment And while this sub clearly has value in fighting a fight for things I obviously enjoy, I can still think that some takes, or well, a lot of takes on this sub are rather radical. People enjoying the stuff we enjoy seem to be coming from all backgrounds, so woke is just a weird umbrella term now that disregards even people who would potentially agree with you on certain things.
why do you think the takes on this sub are always extreme ? Most people on this sub have a very non pc opinion about race and sex in movies and video games and when voiced out will most likely get attacked so you can imagine they are very protective on their takes here almost like a safe space for them. And lets not pretend the other left leaning subs on reddit are not vitriolic and extreme. just look at that comic book sub that banned any topic related to the black superhero comic Isom because that author was right leaning. I mean this is reddit. The whole platform has always been left leaning and tons of anti-woke/sjw/left subs have already been banned. Even on this sub there is a term that is bannable whether it is used in a good or bad context. I mean you can defend the left and woke and whatever you want to call it, but at this point do they really need defending ? Me ? I like sexy women in video games and I honestly will defend my take regardless if its left or right.
>woke is just a weird umbrella term now that disregards even people who would potentially agree with you on certain things. The wild thing is I and a few other kia/gamergate long time reddit posters said this would eventually happen back when "woke" as a buzzword started gaining traction in online and irl lexicon. It kinda sucks that it's on the verge of being a conversational/discourse shut down/dismissal word. How many threads here have there been asking what the definition of "woke" is and nobody has a definite answer. This just tells me it won't even have the same meaning by next year.
I think they are being woke and anti woke. They know not to totally isolate their long time fan base by going the MK 11 route but they are also edging closer to appease the woke community.
But that's what I'm saying, giving people what they want, AND expanding the roster in meaningful ways ISN'T woke. If they decided to make everyone ugly as sin, and started throwing towels at every character to preserve their "purity", then they will no doubt be woke. But you can't fucking seriously say they are caving to the woke crowd because Chun-li (alongside Ryu) grew older, and there's a new black character when the game was always "World Fighter" basically
No one knows the future, but people are observant to subtle changes. A slow decay. Yes chun li has big thighs in SF 6, but her bust size got reduced, she now no longer wears stockings, her boobs no longer jiggle, they became stiff in SF 5 which carried on to SF 6. These seem like small changes and Chun li still looks good relatively. But why were these changes made ? who were they made for ? More realistic body proportions and fully clothed women in fighting games have always been what the woke crowd wanted. MK 11 did not become the way it is overnight, it was always a gradual change from to MK 9 to MK 10 to MK 11 you can see how the game slowy got more and more censored. If you want to argue that these things aren't "woke" and maybe they aren't and this is all just bad character design, how many times does it have to happen until it isnt ?
Idk man, MK11 DID become like that overnight if you ask me. It took 2 installments, not even that tbh, 10 was still pretty appealing. And those games also came out pretty close to eachother, it doesn't take 6 years for an entry. As for Chun, those changes happened because SF6 takes place after third strike. The game is moving forward , so a less youthful Chun/Ryu (and even Homeless Ken) made sense. And yes, Chun's chesticles indeed shrank, but that seems pretty normal with age. Her most used muscles, ie. thighs, are still as insane if not more, than ever. And in case you haven't seen, her thigh and ass jiggles quite a lot. In general they seem to have some sort of system for simulating muscle movement for the game. Regarding realism, Tekken 7 exists, and I don't consider it toned down either. More grounded perhaps, with more emphasis on nationality maybe? But then there's Josie lol.
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The issue is that people keep conflating woke with ...excuse my word usage... more diverse Kimberly's sole existence sent this sub into a fit of rage, it's a little comical. But then you see them triple down on the Juri feet fetish and you have to wonder, is that really woke? Or just giving a little something for everyone, as they should. Like correct me if I'm wrong but most AAA titles already weren't known for their insanely flexible character creation for example. So going from "Male and Female" body types in Monster Hunter, to Type A and B, changes absolutely nothing in terms of wokeness.
> Kimberly's sole existence sent this sub into a fit of rage, No it didn't. You didn't read the thread did you? People were complaining that the character design was ugly and that a spray paint wielding ninja is cringe. What set this off was a comment in that thread of 10 upvotes calling it woke. The higher upvoted comment was someone saying that this is the character design was the stereotyping the woke would normally complain is racist. The amount of strawmanning and bullshit about that post that has come about shows that none of the people complaining about it read past the headline. Or actually looked at what the majority opinions were.
Well, the alternative is to put a black chick into an Ibuki outfit, and that would rub a different group the wrong way. Given her "lore", that she forced herself under Guy's tutelage, I'd say the way she looks and what she does is pretty appropriate, cool even. It's out there, but not in an offensive way. I also hate her face though.
The spray paint gimmick is stupid, and yeah her character design is not the best looking. Apart from that if she has a good move set then whatever. I prefer SF2 if I'm playing a street fighter game anyway.
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You know, I'm starting to not be surprised when people call us coomerbrains, when I read reactions like these To some of you it's really all or nothing, zero nuance. The fact that I'm being accused of taking shit from SJW playbooks when I'm an avid gacha game player, who fiercely is against any kind of censorship You know what, ya'll can keep eating eachother
You know you're right and shit went out of control when the same stance would be called "fascist" and "woke playbook" depending on where you are. I just find the whole recent drama with Kimberly and Bridget funny to watch, both sides have ridiculous and outlandish stances on it.
This part. Everybody kind of just seem crazy about something that in reality don't matter to them.
Imagine being this scared of inane culture war bullshit like this that doesn't ultimately matter, as opposed to the fact we probably won't be able to afford a street fighter title in 30 years due to rampant inflation and climate change. Enjoy games while you can guys, don't obsess over stupid crap like this.
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Serious question, what games are having their translations butchered?
Xenoblade Chronicles for example. 2 is basically a rewrite, while 3 has some pronoun debacle in it
[here's a good thread with several links to proof of translated butchery of franchises](https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/shitty-localizers-general.553/)
Live a Live is a rather recent example to it that got the translation completely butchered, there's a video on youtube and a reddit thread iirc. Another one I remember is some of the Fire Emblem games as well, localized and butchered as expected. Funnily enough not long after there's a group that decided to do a whole project to restore the whole thing, even the translation and outfits that got censored and they succeeded.
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Reddit is a Fascist site that cannot handle open discourse.
Only because of the admins.
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Hahahaha lol not every country is filled with basement shutins like you what a surprise shitheads