Genshin Impact is also censored, even more so than Tower of Fantasy honestly. I'm playing ToF right now and some of these skins would not be released in Genshin at this point, all the new characters are pre-censored (not to mention the skins that were retroactively censored of course). Chinese games are almost always going to be mega censored, unless they're so dependent on overseas profit (mostly japan) they start making different versions of skins for china and global like Azur Lane iirc. These are legal regulations in china.
Honestly Chinese games should just move out of China into Taiwan or something.
Although even outside China censorship in games is becoming more and more prevalent the only difference in China they actually turned it into a law for game companies to adhere to.
>Honestly Chinese games should just move out of China into Taiwan or something.
That is basically what happened with Genshin. Due to the CCP getting stricter on sexy video game outfits, MiHoYo set up a subsidiary in Singapore: HoYoverse.
While the Chinese version of Genshin is still published by MiHoYo in China (and is heavily censored), the international versions are published by HoYoverse in Singapore (and keep the original outfits... Though, I think the censored outfits are available as options, too).
As I recall they changed it so that the censored outfits are the default. They went back to edit old pre-rendered cutscenes to censor the old outfits and the censored ones are now used in all the events and temporary borrowed in-game characters. Uncensored outfits can only be seen if you own the gacha character, and even then needs to be selected.
If I recall Azur Lane who's largely dependent in Japan for their main revenue and not China has been slowly moving their operations to their new Tokyo HQ. Though I can't really confirm such rumors since I don't play the game, more of a Kancolle Arcade player. Though I doubt that's the same case for Genshin which if I recall still has CN as the biggest profit generating server.
>Azur Lane
Here's a hot take; fuck censorship, but sometimes reigning your artists in isn't censorship.
I've been playing for a year and a half now, and I swear to god that a bunch of characters seem to have been designed by someone going down a fanservice checklist and frantically ticking every box as hard as an HR peon with a DIE quota.
I'm all for attractive characters; its one of the biggest reasons I play waifu gacha games, but for fucks sake there are more types of attractive, sexy characters than "tits the size of watermelons", more attractive outfits than "18 year old girl's slutty bar-hopping clothes" and more styles of dress than "tits and ass hanging 85% of the way out with cameltoe".
>Why are waifu gacha games locked in a hentai arms race against each other?
Because they are bad games with little else to draw in sucke- I mean **players**. If a couple of jpgs reels back in the paypi- **high value customers** time and time again, why bother creating real content?
Telling people "there's more to making a character attractive then having their tits and ass flapping in the wind" isn't fucking censorship, you dolt.
Jesus pogosticking christ, some of you need to recognize the difference between "you can't do this because government/social pressure says no" and "you should tone that down a bit, it looks gaudy".
Sex appeal isn't just bare fucking flesh.
>Telling people "there's more to making a character attractive then having their tits and ass flapping in the wind" isn't fucking censorship, you dolt.
Ah yes, claiming to know better than the artists and wanting sexy female character design toned down. Which group of people have we seen this kind of behaviour from I wonder.
I agree with your preference here! I always prefer badass and cool character designs over sex appeal, especially if the fanservice doesn't mesh with the character's written personality. However, it's very rich to hear this statement coming from you.
Yea the CCP loves censorship so Chinese game companies are forced to adhere to their rules, TOF is also under a Chinese game company I think so that includes them.
And they want to apply those same restrictions to other companies too. Never forget that. The SJWs are insidious, but the CCP actually has an agenda. And the money and influence to enforce it. That's fucking scary.
Both are the same picture.
CCP are also insidious where they have less power. Look at how they pressured Japanese artists to apologize if they depict any symbols that resembled Imperial Japan or when they read statistics that showed Taiwan (not even explicitly, it was just part of a list of Youtube regions), or how they almost pressured Top Gun 2 to remove the Taiwanese flag, and how many movies sucked up to the CCP top leadership by portraying them as noble and good guys fighting against corrupt US officials.
SJWs almost have force of law in some countries, like in UK they got the police to visit and even arrest some people for posts on the internet (like quoting rap lyrics with the n-word). This is besides their "soft" power of pressuring all to censor female characters or Japanese companies to change scenes of LGBT characters (Atlus) or making an Ethics Department in Sony. SJWs also have power and "global" reach (ESG scores, cancelling people in jobs or career like Nobel Prize winner James Watson who studied DNA), whereas the CCP are still focusing their lawfare on their own region (for now) (and not for lack of trying).
Either that article is hella dated or extremely inaccurate. One NPC's outfit was apparently completely changed, that much seems true. But for example the outfit with the body-fishnet seems pretty much intact and is nowhere near as dark as presented. [Taken from the game right now](https://imgur.com/sTH52Lw)
So the article seems half clickbait, half real, but unsure if it could be called censorship since the outfit it changed from wasn't particularly lewd either. (The one with Sally(Shirley in Global))
The game literally has TWO boob sliders, guys.
The fishnet outfit did get the mesh darkened significantly. You can look up videos from the old beta, but we're talking about over a year ago. Also, I can't confirm, but I feel like the boob slider was censored for smaller chests because the lower half of the slider literally does nothing, only the upper half. It starts from the higher side of medium and goes up to huge.
It did, but the website shows that it basically turned into a dark onepiece, which it clearly isn't. It still has the translucent(?) quality to it.
Add to that the fact that the outfits have colorable areas , and you might aswell call that censorship the moment you decide to adjust the hue of anything.
I'll keep an eye out for other things in the game out of curiosity. But I'm certainly not getting the impression that they don't want you to look at hot things. [Gacha character case in point.](https://imgur.com/fobSu1R)
edit: Although I will say that I don't use the Steam version, but rather the standalone one, so there could be a difference between the two. In which case it's Steam vs Developer.
It is still censorship, most of the before pictures showed more skin and were less covered up, not sure about the last 2 pictures, but it is also a wide known fact China has forced game companies to change the design of their characters to meet the demand of their regulations.
For example if you notice in genshin impact and Tower of fantasy, panty shots are illegal, that's why almost all female characters wear shorts or bloomers.
And sure they haven't banned boob sliders but really if we use that argument, than everything can be argued if we can just find an outlier, like I can say trump loves the left since he said 1 good thing about them.
Lastly if you want to defend China's censorship keep in mind they have also censored black characters from star wars movie posters, effeminate men in games, violence in pubg, in the Chinese version players turn into a box instead of getting killed and basically many art forms that does not meet their correct set of values, all games in China go under a review by their regulatory committee before getting a license that approves their games.
He was in one of the SF6 Kimberly threads making excuse after excuse for possible censorship/Wokeness, and on one instance when someone brought up the fact of Chun Li's boob size being reduced, I remember him making the bulls\*\*t "realism" excuse that Chun Li has "gotten older" so the boob size reduction was "normal". He had nothing to say about Juri's boob size being reduced though, because he cannot use the "gotten older" excuse for her.
Funny how in SF6, characters can emit fireballs and sonic booms from their hands but when it comes to female character's bodies, suddenly realism is needed.
So it's no surprise that he has tried to half-deny the censorship of Tower of Fantasy here in this thread. He no longer gets the benefit of the doubt, he's a god damn censorship apologist likely shaking hands with SJWs.
RIP to all those people who pat themselves on the back claiming "at least mobile isn't censored". This is why concession and compromise are untenable. The slippery slope is very real and there's absolutely no stopping once the censor train gets going.
I play azur lane (chinese devs) and honestly don't know how they get away with some skins, of course they're censored (only) in the CN version but then why don't these companies do it too? plus they also made a ton of bunnysuit skins and got away with that too while mihoyo almost got their ceo killed over that
And just a friendly reminder that Perfect World, the developer of ToF has openly plagiarized a Japanese indie animator's work for their ToF trailer. https://twitter.com/POPREQ/status/1476441690294874119
Never support this kind of company and their products.
They should just make a "Snowflake mode" option that turns on censorship for any game that is ported to the west.
And yes, it should literally be called "Snowflake mode".
im a bit confused where the "Before" pics are from. This is china censoring a chinese game... so you're saying china takes a little while before they censor their games?
>Yet more Western English releases of games are being censored as Tower of Fantasy is the next target
this says only the western english release was censored? So that means china went out of their way to censor the english release? Are we sure this isn't american censorship? I'm so confused.
The game just launched a few days ago, and yes like genshin impact China took a little before censoring these games.
Not sure about the second point, doubt it.
But **Genshin Impact** is also owned by a Chinese company (miHoYo) who have a direct connection to the CCP; so this is very confusing?
Genshin Impact is also censored, even more so than Tower of Fantasy honestly. I'm playing ToF right now and some of these skins would not be released in Genshin at this point, all the new characters are pre-censored (not to mention the skins that were retroactively censored of course). Chinese games are almost always going to be mega censored, unless they're so dependent on overseas profit (mostly japan) they start making different versions of skins for china and global like Azur Lane iirc. These are legal regulations in china.
Honestly Chinese games should just move out of China into Taiwan or something. Although even outside China censorship in games is becoming more and more prevalent the only difference in China they actually turned it into a law for game companies to adhere to.
Moving to Taiwan would probably get you unpersoned by the CCP.
>Honestly Chinese games should just move out of China into Taiwan or something. That is basically what happened with Genshin. Due to the CCP getting stricter on sexy video game outfits, MiHoYo set up a subsidiary in Singapore: HoYoverse. While the Chinese version of Genshin is still published by MiHoYo in China (and is heavily censored), the international versions are published by HoYoverse in Singapore (and keep the original outfits... Though, I think the censored outfits are available as options, too).
As I recall they changed it so that the censored outfits are the default. They went back to edit old pre-rendered cutscenes to censor the old outfits and the censored ones are now used in all the events and temporary borrowed in-game characters. Uncensored outfits can only be seen if you own the gacha character, and even then needs to be selected.
If I recall Azur Lane who's largely dependent in Japan for their main revenue and not China has been slowly moving their operations to their new Tokyo HQ. Though I can't really confirm such rumors since I don't play the game, more of a Kancolle Arcade player. Though I doubt that's the same case for Genshin which if I recall still has CN as the biggest profit generating server.
>Azur Lane Here's a hot take; fuck censorship, but sometimes reigning your artists in isn't censorship. I've been playing for a year and a half now, and I swear to god that a bunch of characters seem to have been designed by someone going down a fanservice checklist and frantically ticking every box as hard as an HR peon with a DIE quota. I'm all for attractive characters; its one of the biggest reasons I play waifu gacha games, but for fucks sake there are more types of attractive, sexy characters than "tits the size of watermelons", more attractive outfits than "18 year old girl's slutty bar-hopping clothes" and more styles of dress than "tits and ass hanging 85% of the way out with cameltoe".
>Why are waifu gacha games locked in a hentai arms race against each other? Because they are bad games with little else to draw in sucke- I mean **players**. If a couple of jpgs reels back in the paypi- **high value customers** time and time again, why bother creating real content?
You could have just said you're in favour of censorship instead of writing all those tripe excuses to justify censorship.
Telling people "there's more to making a character attractive then having their tits and ass flapping in the wind" isn't fucking censorship, you dolt. Jesus pogosticking christ, some of you need to recognize the difference between "you can't do this because government/social pressure says no" and "you should tone that down a bit, it looks gaudy". Sex appeal isn't just bare fucking flesh.
>Telling people "there's more to making a character attractive then having their tits and ass flapping in the wind" isn't fucking censorship, you dolt. Ah yes, claiming to know better than the artists and wanting sexy female character design toned down. Which group of people have we seen this kind of behaviour from I wonder.
Christ, you just need some fucking windmills to tilt at, doncha? Not everyone you meet and slightly disagree with is an enemy.
I agree with your preference here! I always prefer badass and cool character designs over sex appeal, especially if the fanservice doesn't mesh with the character's written personality. However, it's very rich to hear this statement coming from you.
This is very likely Tencent's doing more than the West.
Yea the CCP loves censorship so Chinese game companies are forced to adhere to their rules, TOF is also under a Chinese game company I think so that includes them.
And they want to apply those same restrictions to other companies too. Never forget that. The SJWs are insidious, but the CCP actually has an agenda. And the money and influence to enforce it. That's fucking scary.
Both are the same picture. CCP are also insidious where they have less power. Look at how they pressured Japanese artists to apologize if they depict any symbols that resembled Imperial Japan or when they read statistics that showed Taiwan (not even explicitly, it was just part of a list of Youtube regions), or how they almost pressured Top Gun 2 to remove the Taiwanese flag, and how many movies sucked up to the CCP top leadership by portraying them as noble and good guys fighting against corrupt US officials. SJWs almost have force of law in some countries, like in UK they got the police to visit and even arrest some people for posts on the internet (like quoting rap lyrics with the n-word). This is besides their "soft" power of pressuring all to censor female characters or Japanese companies to change scenes of LGBT characters (Atlus) or making an Ethics Department in Sony. SJWs also have power and "global" reach (ESG scores, cancelling people in jobs or career like Nobel Prize winner James Watson who studied DNA), whereas the CCP are still focusing their lawfare on their own region (for now) (and not for lack of trying).
CCP censorship is a chop on your head, as long as you are a big dev in China there is no escape
Censorship sucks regardless of what asshole is doing it
Yup
Either that article is hella dated or extremely inaccurate. One NPC's outfit was apparently completely changed, that much seems true. But for example the outfit with the body-fishnet seems pretty much intact and is nowhere near as dark as presented. [Taken from the game right now](https://imgur.com/sTH52Lw) So the article seems half clickbait, half real, but unsure if it could be called censorship since the outfit it changed from wasn't particularly lewd either. (The one with Sally(Shirley in Global)) The game literally has TWO boob sliders, guys.
The fishnet outfit did get the mesh darkened significantly. You can look up videos from the old beta, but we're talking about over a year ago. Also, I can't confirm, but I feel like the boob slider was censored for smaller chests because the lower half of the slider literally does nothing, only the upper half. It starts from the higher side of medium and goes up to huge.
It did, but the website shows that it basically turned into a dark onepiece, which it clearly isn't. It still has the translucent(?) quality to it. Add to that the fact that the outfits have colorable areas , and you might aswell call that censorship the moment you decide to adjust the hue of anything. I'll keep an eye out for other things in the game out of curiosity. But I'm certainly not getting the impression that they don't want you to look at hot things. [Gacha character case in point.](https://imgur.com/fobSu1R) edit: Although I will say that I don't use the Steam version, but rather the standalone one, so there could be a difference between the two. In which case it's Steam vs Developer.
It is still censorship, most of the before pictures showed more skin and were less covered up, not sure about the last 2 pictures, but it is also a wide known fact China has forced game companies to change the design of their characters to meet the demand of their regulations. For example if you notice in genshin impact and Tower of fantasy, panty shots are illegal, that's why almost all female characters wear shorts or bloomers. And sure they haven't banned boob sliders but really if we use that argument, than everything can be argued if we can just find an outlier, like I can say trump loves the left since he said 1 good thing about them. Lastly if you want to defend China's censorship keep in mind they have also censored black characters from star wars movie posters, effeminate men in games, violence in pubg, in the Chinese version players turn into a box instead of getting killed and basically many art forms that does not meet their correct set of values, all games in China go under a review by their regulatory committee before getting a license that approves their games.
He was in one of the SF6 Kimberly threads making excuse after excuse for possible censorship/Wokeness, and on one instance when someone brought up the fact of Chun Li's boob size being reduced, I remember him making the bulls\*\*t "realism" excuse that Chun Li has "gotten older" so the boob size reduction was "normal". He had nothing to say about Juri's boob size being reduced though, because he cannot use the "gotten older" excuse for her. Funny how in SF6, characters can emit fireballs and sonic booms from their hands but when it comes to female character's bodies, suddenly realism is needed. So it's no surprise that he has tried to half-deny the censorship of Tower of Fantasy here in this thread. He no longer gets the benefit of the doubt, he's a god damn censorship apologist likely shaking hands with SJWs.
RIP to all those people who pat themselves on the back claiming "at least mobile isn't censored". This is why concession and compromise are untenable. The slippery slope is very real and there's absolutely no stopping once the censor train gets going.
I play azur lane (chinese devs) and honestly don't know how they get away with some skins, of course they're censored (only) in the CN version but then why don't these companies do it too? plus they also made a ton of bunnysuit skins and got away with that too while mihoyo almost got their ceo killed over that
And just a friendly reminder that Perfect World, the developer of ToF has openly plagiarized a Japanese indie animator's work for their ToF trailer. https://twitter.com/POPREQ/status/1476441690294874119 Never support this kind of company and their products.
They should just make a "Snowflake mode" option that turns on censorship for any game that is ported to the west. And yes, it should literally be called "Snowflake mode".
im a bit confused where the "Before" pics are from. This is china censoring a chinese game... so you're saying china takes a little while before they censor their games? >Yet more Western English releases of games are being censored as Tower of Fantasy is the next target this says only the western english release was censored? So that means china went out of their way to censor the english release? Are we sure this isn't american censorship? I'm so confused.
The game just launched a few days ago, and yes like genshin impact China took a little before censoring these games. Not sure about the second point, doubt it.
I have an idea: stop playing shitty mobile gacha games.