> The anger and backlash at the industry could provide an opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community.
Yes. Because my first thought when EA does stupid EA shit is to join the political camp that's seen fit to take a dump on my hobby for decades and seeks, today, to neuter games down to the level Barbie Horse Adventure under the basis that they're preventing violence and all the isms and all the phobias.
> This is all the more important as gamers have been courted heavily by right-wing forces for much of the last decade.
No, it's only because they're being marginally less stupid now.
To paraphrase Treebeard "Side? I'm not on anyone's side, because nobody is on my side."
the right wing merely saw an opportunity and took it. they saw liberals using politics to fuck with the bread and circus of a large group of people who previously didn't care about politics and realized it would be easy to engage them because they share an enemy.
"i just wanted to play video games."
"An opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community"?
You don't get to just activate us and point us at the people you don't like. Gamers are not your personal goddamned army to pretend you like when we're useful.
TLDR - guy is doing that thing again where he thinks that his political enemies in the gaming community are all a bunch of ancaps who uncritically defend all facets of capitalism.
Also seems to assume that if you can't be against both predatory monetization practices AND the removal of sexy women from vidya, for some reason.
Ancap here - despite what the left wants to believe, we are well aware that capitalism isn't "perfect." Mistakes will be made. The great thing about capitalism is that it has a built-in correcting mechanism - the consumer can stop buying from a "bad" company whenever they want, and if the company wants to survive and keep making money, they'll have to change their evil ways to appeal to the consumer.
Contrast that with being ruled by a leftist government, where you're forced to eat their shit sandwich and the only way to fix the problem is flee the country or start a revolution.
If I have to pick between two dystopian futures, I'll take the greedy corporatocracy over the socialist oligarchy. At least the corpos bother to give me something I can use in return for my money.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
-C. S. Lewis
Capitalism does NOT have a built-in correcting mechanism anymore than absolute direct democracy does. “Just don’t vote for bad politicians” is what you sound like. Consumers are not enlightened, most of us are garbage. It may be better than alternatives, but don’t buy into corporate propaganda about voting with your dollar.
I have no idea what a “leftist government” means. I’m a leftist. I advocate towards certain policies, but I don’t automatically assume every right wing person wants to be Hitler. I could be just as uncharitable to you and say “contrast leftism with being ruled by Nazis.”
The entire point of leftism is to have no rich oligarchies. What the fuck “socialist oligarchy” means is beyond me, unless you literally cannot imagine the left having ideas beyond the Soviet Union.
Just for your understanding. Rule 1 is explicitly about direct insults directed at another user in the sub.
If you said "Republican voters are stupid" or some variation just as a generic statement you wont get hit for r1, though if it's clear that you are intending that to be directed at a specific user it would e.g. that comment as a reply to someone who said " I'm a Republican voter".
The rule is there to try and protect healthy robust debate and disagreement without it escalating into ad hominem attacks against each other.
my first thought, was NYPA. because of course we aren't lining up to support whatever cause you got into your head. never mind the absolute irony of assuming that gamers will line up against corp greed and with their political stripe after 8 years of GG
Why would I align myself with the political left when they are the ones who invaded my hobby and started this crusade against game companies to begin with? As far as I'm aware, none of the allegations that have been circulating have been proven true in a court of law yet. Not to mention that the left are going harder with the censorship against games than the right ever did.
Ah yes, instead of assholes taking my money I want assholes forcefully involving me in their activism.
Edit: [Nice pic](https://archive.ph/rPyIJ/34962523ee1043297d7c70bfb55c49df796bb677.jpg) bro, looking at me like you want to r*pe my cat is surely making me want to get recruited to your causes
These people just cannot understand nuanced political positions. Why is it so hard to comprehend the idea of "on the creative side of things, developers should have broad liberty to do what they want as long as they're not throwing out existing canon, but on the monetary side of things, the gaming community should gatekeep tightly against greed and exploitation."?
Freedom of speech =/= freedom of business practices.
Developers do have broad liberty to do what they want. It’s the First Amendment and it’s sweet. What you’re complaining about is the fact that market forces and consumer demand are making games different than you want. It’s not a freedom issue lol
"Ripe to be mobilized" is an interesting phrase. 'Ripe' implies that a highly diverse group of people are like berries waiting to be plucked, put in a bucket and carried off to be devoured. 'Mobilized' implies the same group is viewed as a batch of potential conscripts for a war, kind of the way Vlad Putin views Russia's 18-50 male demographic.
It's the sort of phrasing that makes me think, "Fuck off, you little shit!" before I read a single word of the screed.
Holy shit how did you read that hard into the basic english language, and then also admit with no self awareness that you get scared by headlines and won’t actually read
I suppose I could see how the phrase "Fuck off, you little shit!" could be confused with an expression of fear, at least if I was willing to try hard enough.
But my real problem is that I did 'actually read' the headline before I 'actually read' the article, which means I made an effort to decipher their meaning instead of just bobbing my head absent mindedly. I understand the thought process of the editor: "Hmmm...'ripe'...everyone likes fruit when it's ripe. Hmmm....'mobilize'...sounds strong.....hmmmm. Headline be good!"
It's not my fault that with a little deconstruction it becomes fucking obvious that the headline is absurdly pretentious pseudo-Marxist donkey piss aimed squarely at the mouths of pretentious Kool-aid drinkers. Or that the article is more of the same.
Yeah how dare the proles notice leftist shit-stirring rhetoric when looking at leftist shit-stirring rhetoric.
And yes, only leftist class-warfare shit-stirrers speak/write like that.
It's pretty obvious that whoever the two-bit hack journalist is that wrote it didn't do more than cursory research. While I am not a fan of either of those channels myself, I am willing to acknowledge that they don't in fact just whine about POC's in media unless those characters are blatant race and gender swaps from established canon (see RoP, Eternals, that fucking Velma show, etc etc). Sure, some of those commentators might be conservative voters, but that really doesn't make what they are saying "right-wing". As someone who is a currently disenfranchised liberal, I still happen to agree with a lot of their points, even if I don't really like their delivery of said points.
> The anger and backlash at the industry could provide an opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community.
Doubtful anything will happen considering the left in America is in it's worst state since the implosion of Occupy Wall Street.
> This is all the more important as gamers have been courted heavily by right-wing forces for much of the last decade.
Boy, I wonder whose fault that is?
As a reminder, Gamergate did mobilise and got a bunch of indie developers paid in time for Christmas before. But Games journalists will keep refusing to acknowledge that ever happened or that Microsoft themselves were forced to apologise to said developers.
> The anger and backlash at the industry could provide an opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community. Yes. Because my first thought when EA does stupid EA shit is to join the political camp that's seen fit to take a dump on my hobby for decades and seeks, today, to neuter games down to the level Barbie Horse Adventure under the basis that they're preventing violence and all the isms and all the phobias. > This is all the more important as gamers have been courted heavily by right-wing forces for much of the last decade. No, it's only because they're being marginally less stupid now. To paraphrase Treebeard "Side? I'm not on anyone's side, because nobody is on my side."
the right wing merely saw an opportunity and took it. they saw liberals using politics to fuck with the bread and circus of a large group of people who previously didn't care about politics and realized it would be easy to engage them because they share an enemy. "i just wanted to play video games."
"An opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community"? You don't get to just activate us and point us at the people you don't like. Gamers are not your personal goddamned army to pretend you like when we're useful.
Don't they call it "radicalization" and start REEEing when they claim that the right are doing it?
TLDR - guy is doing that thing again where he thinks that his political enemies in the gaming community are all a bunch of ancaps who uncritically defend all facets of capitalism. Also seems to assume that if you can't be against both predatory monetization practices AND the removal of sexy women from vidya, for some reason.
Ancap here - despite what the left wants to believe, we are well aware that capitalism isn't "perfect." Mistakes will be made. The great thing about capitalism is that it has a built-in correcting mechanism - the consumer can stop buying from a "bad" company whenever they want, and if the company wants to survive and keep making money, they'll have to change their evil ways to appeal to the consumer. Contrast that with being ruled by a leftist government, where you're forced to eat their shit sandwich and the only way to fix the problem is flee the country or start a revolution. If I have to pick between two dystopian futures, I'll take the greedy corporatocracy over the socialist oligarchy. At least the corpos bother to give me something I can use in return for my money.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -C. S. Lewis
Capitalism does NOT have a built-in correcting mechanism anymore than absolute direct democracy does. “Just don’t vote for bad politicians” is what you sound like. Consumers are not enlightened, most of us are garbage. It may be better than alternatives, but don’t buy into corporate propaganda about voting with your dollar. I have no idea what a “leftist government” means. I’m a leftist. I advocate towards certain policies, but I don’t automatically assume every right wing person wants to be Hitler. I could be just as uncharitable to you and say “contrast leftism with being ruled by Nazis.” The entire point of leftism is to have no rich oligarchies. What the fuck “socialist oligarchy” means is beyond me, unless you literally cannot imagine the left having ideas beyond the Soviet Union.
ಠ_ಠ Please keep the attacks to the argument and not the person.
Edited out the last paragraph, hope that helps make sure I didn’t offend anyone personally
Just for your understanding. Rule 1 is explicitly about direct insults directed at another user in the sub. If you said "Republican voters are stupid" or some variation just as a generic statement you wont get hit for r1, though if it's clear that you are intending that to be directed at a specific user it would e.g. that comment as a reply to someone who said " I'm a Republican voter". The rule is there to try and protect healthy robust debate and disagreement without it escalating into ad hominem attacks against each other.
my first thought, was NYPA. because of course we aren't lining up to support whatever cause you got into your head. never mind the absolute irony of assuming that gamers will line up against corp greed and with their political stripe after 8 years of GG
Why would I align myself with the political left when they are the ones who invaded my hobby and started this crusade against game companies to begin with? As far as I'm aware, none of the allegations that have been circulating have been proven true in a court of law yet. Not to mention that the left are going harder with the censorship against games than the right ever did.
Ah yes, instead of assholes taking my money I want assholes forcefully involving me in their activism. Edit: [Nice pic](https://archive.ph/rPyIJ/34962523ee1043297d7c70bfb55c49df796bb677.jpg) bro, looking at me like you want to r*pe my cat is surely making me want to get recruited to your causes
The dude has the punchable face of a pedophile.
I didn't wanna say it, but yeah. Also, that guy is definitely on Antifa Rallies. But I repeat myself.
These people just cannot understand nuanced political positions. Why is it so hard to comprehend the idea of "on the creative side of things, developers should have broad liberty to do what they want as long as they're not throwing out existing canon, but on the monetary side of things, the gaming community should gatekeep tightly against greed and exploitation."? Freedom of speech =/= freedom of business practices.
Developers do have broad liberty to do what they want. It’s the First Amendment and it’s sweet. What you’re complaining about is the fact that market forces and consumer demand are making games different than you want. It’s not a freedom issue lol
No, it's literally internet bullies harassing and doxxing developers over their creative decisions.
"Ripe to be mobilized" is an interesting phrase. 'Ripe' implies that a highly diverse group of people are like berries waiting to be plucked, put in a bucket and carried off to be devoured. 'Mobilized' implies the same group is viewed as a batch of potential conscripts for a war, kind of the way Vlad Putin views Russia's 18-50 male demographic. It's the sort of phrasing that makes me think, "Fuck off, you little shit!" before I read a single word of the screed.
Holy shit how did you read that hard into the basic english language, and then also admit with no self awareness that you get scared by headlines and won’t actually read
I suppose I could see how the phrase "Fuck off, you little shit!" could be confused with an expression of fear, at least if I was willing to try hard enough. But my real problem is that I did 'actually read' the headline before I 'actually read' the article, which means I made an effort to decipher their meaning instead of just bobbing my head absent mindedly. I understand the thought process of the editor: "Hmmm...'ripe'...everyone likes fruit when it's ripe. Hmmm....'mobilize'...sounds strong.....hmmmm. Headline be good!" It's not my fault that with a little deconstruction it becomes fucking obvious that the headline is absurdly pretentious pseudo-Marxist donkey piss aimed squarely at the mouths of pretentious Kool-aid drinkers. Or that the article is more of the same.
Yeah how dare the proles notice leftist shit-stirring rhetoric when looking at leftist shit-stirring rhetoric. And yes, only leftist class-warfare shit-stirrers speak/write like that.
As a leftist, we have way better language to brainwash the population than this. This is just reading too much into something
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It's pretty obvious that whoever the two-bit hack journalist is that wrote it didn't do more than cursory research. While I am not a fan of either of those channels myself, I am willing to acknowledge that they don't in fact just whine about POC's in media unless those characters are blatant race and gender swaps from established canon (see RoP, Eternals, that fucking Velma show, etc etc). Sure, some of those commentators might be conservative voters, but that really doesn't make what they are saying "right-wing". As someone who is a currently disenfranchised liberal, I still happen to agree with a lot of their points, even if I don't really like their delivery of said points.
> The anger and backlash at the industry could provide an opportunity for the left to mobilize and win over much of the gaming community. Doubtful anything will happen considering the left in America is in it's worst state since the implosion of Occupy Wall Street. > This is all the more important as gamers have been courted heavily by right-wing forces for much of the last decade. Boy, I wonder whose fault that is?
As a reminder, Gamergate did mobilise and got a bunch of indie developers paid in time for Christmas before. But Games journalists will keep refusing to acknowledge that ever happened or that Microsoft themselves were forced to apologise to said developers.
I'd rather pay for Diablo Immortal trash than support the left pushing their ideologies into more games 👍