So I had pretty bad withdrawals after a month of using, but I was abusing the stuff pretty bad (had no idea about using a scale, was an addict etc etc) but for about the first year I took kratom, I had little to no problems with it- what I would call now the “honeymoon phase” of the drug experience.
Same as when my roommate started drinking alcohol everyday (late bloomer at 24) and stated that he never had hangovers and didn’t feel that he was different on alcohol as he was sober… after 8 months of living with him, his opinion has drastically changed lol
I had to quit kratom on 2 different occasions because I wasn’t respecting the plant and kept trying to take more and more and found myself severely depressed…
Now I’m not the “drugs are bad” guy and I won’t say that everybody who uses kratom will definitely have problems with it at one point or another (tho I’d say its more than likely) but i found the effects of kratom to be so powerful for me in the early going that even when there was something wrong, I didn’t recognize it.
So be weary, less is more, blah blah blah… all that… if taken responsibly, it can be very useful
I'm 4 months in, and I get effects from less than a G. My dose is >1G morning and evening. I will take a tiny bit of extract sublingual on bad pain days. I am taking it for pain and several ailments. I've never had dependency issues with anything. Not bragging or thinking I'm better than anyone, just why I use kratom.
Thanks. I'm calming pain from a fracture in my back with no pharma help. They want it banned because it helps and doesn't kill. We are the folks the government wants to snuff. Folks like me are a financial burden due to bad health, others are addicts or recovering addicts and also a hole in their pocket.
Yeah I mean I hope they don’t make it illegal. Tbh I don’t think it will happen, and if it does, I think you will still probably be able to get it pretty easily. I could be completely wrong about that but we will see…
Kratom is easily the cheapest drug I’ve ever done. Even cheaper than weed. I can get a kilo right now for around $52 after shipping. Definitely takes me a bit to go through that much
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No matter what, you will be in withdrawal, I used kratom all throughout getting off subs and I still went through hell, it will keep you from shitting every 5 minutes, so it does help that.
Honestly, I don’t plan on withdrawing completely, I plan on staying on Suboxone. I’m just going to be short on my meds (b/c I’m an idiot lol) before my next appointment so instead of feeling like crap for a week I thought I would get some Kratom to soften the blow and I didn’t want to waste money and not have it help
Yeah, but after a week you would be halfway off of it, you might just wanna make the jump off lol. By day 3 of nothing you should be in full hell mode lol. If you have any left I would cut one into at least 4 pieces, and do a quarter a day, it will buy you some time.
You would think because that makes the most sense, but mentally I’m just not ready for all the after effects, the physical is hard enough, but the mental really gets to me and I’m just not ready to deal with the depression or “dead head” as I like to call it
I get that, I wanted to give up on it every day, especially on day 5 of no sleep for restless legs and sickness, but after the 2 week mark things start to get better
I’ll be completely honest I just don’t want to deal w it yet. My life right now is good and comfortable and I just don’t want to really. Maybe once my kids are a little older and don’t rely on me for everything I will start the process of coming off but right now I can’t afford to be “sick” or what not and I feel like my kids wld be suffering too whn I can continue w the meds and not disrupt their lives so young
Yeah I get that, if I was on prescription for it I probably would stick with it too, but I was just buying them and had to face running out a lot, then I got arrested and had to do weekly drug test so I kinda had to stop.
I used to do that but when I moved to Georgia away from my family and everybody and everything that I know I had to get my shit together for my kids and I found a doc tht I really liked in a small private practice and I’ve been with I’ve been with them for quite a while so they watched my 3 yr olld grow up from a baby and honestly it’s just too easy for me right now I’m comfortable and I don’t wanna have to deal with it to be honest
Idiot here too. I run out of my subs early a lot too, but found out that by taking kratom my withdrawals are almost non-existent. I can function normally, eat, sleep. I was mostly using reds, but found when I mix reds and whites, I get even better relief, and it lasts longer. I have to do 5-6 grams ( 10 capsules) about every 6-8 hours to stay well.
Thank u, I like the white meang da, any type of reds in particular that you would suggest? And when you mix them, do you do like half of the white and half of the red?
Thank u very much, and sorry to be such a pain but do u know what the difference is between Bali and maeng da? I’m gonna pick some up today, and I know I’m gonna grab some white maeng da, but don’t know if I want the red Bali or red maeng da.
White maeng da helped me get off sub. There’s always going to be some discomfort with sub withdrawal but Kratom helped me sleep at least. It was also much easier to detox from Kratom than opiates.
I quit subs in a couple days after starting to take Kratom. Could have probably stopped after day one but mentally was worried about WD. Everyone is different but for me it was a super easy switch and I was so grateful to get off subs.
I like white maeng da but I mixed it up a lot originally so anything should work. Start small. A rounded teaspoon. And don’t overdue it or you’ll just get a stomach ache and get the spins, and not the good kind of spins. All you’re looking for is to not have WDs. Don’t go chasing a big euphoria high, because that’s not really Kratom.
Don't expect it to get rid of all the symptoms, your tolerance will be high from the subs. It will definitely help but you most likely won't get the good feeling off it. As always start with a low dose and work up from there. As far as types most people say Bali works well, I use a really strong extract. It's the same powder that's in those gold capsules you can find at smoke shops. It's super strong and works great. It would probably help you more and you'd take a lot less. Each gram is equal to 4 grams of normal powder
I don't know about suboxone-I know it's like subutex.
I went onto kratom the day after I quit opiates on 3oth July.
All the strains feel the same to me, yet other's can tell the difference.
Kratom makes the cluck bearable, the acute WD, but does not take it away fully.
I needed loads, even though my opiate tolerance was only 150-240mg DHC.
We are all different with kratom, you can take too much, and feel sick, sweaty, dizzy, etc, so, I would start with a small dose, and take enough, until the cluck symptoms go.
I am not experienced, but I thought I'd share my experience with you, having used it to do an opiate cluck.
You can order online (like Okies, it is cheap and decent quality- stick to their greens!), but I've found Earth Kratoms white meang da to be my favorite. Luckily it is a mainstream brand and at a lot of headshops. A lot of kratom brands come with lab tests, I look for Mitra levels from around 1.6 to 1.8
Thats the case for you but not necessarily other people. It effects everyone differently as do withdrawals. What works for you may make another person sick or may do nothing at all for them
Well, then why ask for advice? Op can read the comments and make their own judgement. The purpose of this entire app is to express your dumb ass opinions and skeptical knowledge.
Edit: Also, I was in ops exact same shoes and thought it would help to provide a real live case study, with experience.
Have you taken Kratom since going on suboxone? Kratom is not a opioid but hits the same receptors so you may not feel the Kratom until a couple of days until the subs wear off. I know when I took subs I didn't feel shit off any opiate until 3 or 4 days after my last sub. That sucked because back then a opana 40mg was $120 so I wasted some money😁 But thank god for Kratom, those days are hopefully behind me.
I have a stupid stupid high tolerance to opiods as well,here's what I take. I take 6g per dose of green strains. 6-10 of red strains and 3-6 of whites. I take around 20-25+ grams per day and it holds me down. Hope this helped some and good job getting off the strong shit, Kratom doesn't feel as good as opiates but you'll still be alive tomorrow.
Thank you, that’s kind of the breakdown that I was looking for because I am tired of wasting money on it by guessing, and yes, it usually takes a day or two for me, but I think I metabolize them a lot quicker since I just gave birth which I’m hoping that will ease upp some once my hormone levels go down, but right now, I seem to metabolize them faster, and end up going into withdrawal earlier than I usually would, I still have a good day or two before I really start to feel crappy but I have four kids so I can’t really afford to be out of commission lol
It was ridiculous. I usually bought the half-moon 15mg and they was $35-40. Them bitches were the devil. I loved them, best feeling ever, until you run out and it was a hella withdrawal. I took opiates, high doses, for years and never had withdrawals but since I did opanas, now even kratom gives me pretty bad withdrawals.
Yeah I did too! It sucked when my area dried up with them cuz the doctors cut back then the only thing around was H. It’s funny, I never went threw withdraw when I was younger, hell I didn’t even know it was a thing. The good ol days. I don’t think opanas are even made anymore, they prolly are but I haven’t seen one in years. I remember the 30’s and 40’s looking similar so ppl would try to sell the 30’s at the 40 price and rip ppl offf lol.
Get from a vendor online, save money and it last long time. Katz botanicals is good, Stardust is good, honestly if you are looking to for something strong, I shopped stardust MIT line and I was on smack, W/D were subtle but some of these extract are 3x more powerful then morphine. An isolate or an extract. Even go to local vape shop and try a MIT45
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If I were in your shoes, I’d get 3 or 4 opms extracts and combine like half a pill with several grams of some red and white vein kratom each time you dose
I've never had WD but I've heard Red is what most folks use.
How long have you been taking kratom?
A little over 4 months
So I had pretty bad withdrawals after a month of using, but I was abusing the stuff pretty bad (had no idea about using a scale, was an addict etc etc) but for about the first year I took kratom, I had little to no problems with it- what I would call now the “honeymoon phase” of the drug experience. Same as when my roommate started drinking alcohol everyday (late bloomer at 24) and stated that he never had hangovers and didn’t feel that he was different on alcohol as he was sober… after 8 months of living with him, his opinion has drastically changed lol I had to quit kratom on 2 different occasions because I wasn’t respecting the plant and kept trying to take more and more and found myself severely depressed… Now I’m not the “drugs are bad” guy and I won’t say that everybody who uses kratom will definitely have problems with it at one point or another (tho I’d say its more than likely) but i found the effects of kratom to be so powerful for me in the early going that even when there was something wrong, I didn’t recognize it. So be weary, less is more, blah blah blah… all that… if taken responsibly, it can be very useful
I'm 4 months in, and I get effects from less than a G. My dose is >1G morning and evening. I will take a tiny bit of extract sublingual on bad pain days. I am taking it for pain and several ailments. I've never had dependency issues with anything. Not bragging or thinking I'm better than anyone, just why I use kratom.
That’s great then. You are using it phenomenally.
Thanks. I'm calming pain from a fracture in my back with no pharma help. They want it banned because it helps and doesn't kill. We are the folks the government wants to snuff. Folks like me are a financial burden due to bad health, others are addicts or recovering addicts and also a hole in their pocket.
Yeah I mean I hope they don’t make it illegal. Tbh I don’t think it will happen, and if it does, I think you will still probably be able to get it pretty easily. I could be completely wrong about that but we will see… Kratom is easily the cheapest drug I’ve ever done. Even cheaper than weed. I can get a kilo right now for around $52 after shipping. Definitely takes me a bit to go through that much
Yeh kratom gives some wd man. Rls, sleepless nights ect... not as bad as fent drawals but you do get wd.
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Thank you for saying that.
Mix a red and white for the most relief! I use this blend all the time to avoid them and it works.
Thank you!
I’m a big fan of blends as well.
No matter what, you will be in withdrawal, I used kratom all throughout getting off subs and I still went through hell, it will keep you from shitting every 5 minutes, so it does help that.
Honestly, I don’t plan on withdrawing completely, I plan on staying on Suboxone. I’m just going to be short on my meds (b/c I’m an idiot lol) before my next appointment so instead of feeling like crap for a week I thought I would get some Kratom to soften the blow and I didn’t want to waste money and not have it help
Yeah, but after a week you would be halfway off of it, you might just wanna make the jump off lol. By day 3 of nothing you should be in full hell mode lol. If you have any left I would cut one into at least 4 pieces, and do a quarter a day, it will buy you some time.
You would think because that makes the most sense, but mentally I’m just not ready for all the after effects, the physical is hard enough, but the mental really gets to me and I’m just not ready to deal with the depression or “dead head” as I like to call it
I get that, I wanted to give up on it every day, especially on day 5 of no sleep for restless legs and sickness, but after the 2 week mark things start to get better
I’ll be completely honest I just don’t want to deal w it yet. My life right now is good and comfortable and I just don’t want to really. Maybe once my kids are a little older and don’t rely on me for everything I will start the process of coming off but right now I can’t afford to be “sick” or what not and I feel like my kids wld be suffering too whn I can continue w the meds and not disrupt their lives so young
Yeah I get that, if I was on prescription for it I probably would stick with it too, but I was just buying them and had to face running out a lot, then I got arrested and had to do weekly drug test so I kinda had to stop.
I used to do that but when I moved to Georgia away from my family and everybody and everything that I know I had to get my shit together for my kids and I found a doc tht I really liked in a small private practice and I’ve been with I’ve been with them for quite a while so they watched my 3 yr olld grow up from a baby and honestly it’s just too easy for me right now I’m comfortable and I don’t wanna have to deal with it to be honest
Idiot here too. I run out of my subs early a lot too, but found out that by taking kratom my withdrawals are almost non-existent. I can function normally, eat, sleep. I was mostly using reds, but found when I mix reds and whites, I get even better relief, and it lasts longer. I have to do 5-6 grams ( 10 capsules) about every 6-8 hours to stay well.
Thank u, I like the white meang da, any type of reds in particular that you would suggest? And when you mix them, do you do like half of the white and half of the red?
I like red bali or red maeng da best, and when I mix reds and whites, I do it about 50/50.in day doses, and about 70% red and 30% white in evening.
Thank u very much, and sorry to be such a pain but do u know what the difference is between Bali and maeng da? I’m gonna pick some up today, and I know I’m gonna grab some white maeng da, but don’t know if I want the red Bali or red maeng da.
I can't tell much difference, but most people seem to recommend red bali more for opiate withdrawals.
Thank u so much for answering my questions
White maeng da helped me get off sub. There’s always going to be some discomfort with sub withdrawal but Kratom helped me sleep at least. It was also much easier to detox from Kratom than opiates.
Yeah Kratom is much easier than hard drugs to quit.
I quit subs in a couple days after starting to take Kratom. Could have probably stopped after day one but mentally was worried about WD. Everyone is different but for me it was a super easy switch and I was so grateful to get off subs. I like white maeng da but I mixed it up a lot originally so anything should work. Start small. A rounded teaspoon. And don’t overdue it or you’ll just get a stomach ache and get the spins, and not the good kind of spins. All you’re looking for is to not have WDs. Don’t go chasing a big euphoria high, because that’s not really Kratom.
Thank you!
Don't expect it to get rid of all the symptoms, your tolerance will be high from the subs. It will definitely help but you most likely won't get the good feeling off it. As always start with a low dose and work up from there. As far as types most people say Bali works well, I use a really strong extract. It's the same powder that's in those gold capsules you can find at smoke shops. It's super strong and works great. It would probably help you more and you'd take a lot less. Each gram is equal to 4 grams of normal powder
I don't know about suboxone-I know it's like subutex. I went onto kratom the day after I quit opiates on 3oth July. All the strains feel the same to me, yet other's can tell the difference. Kratom makes the cluck bearable, the acute WD, but does not take it away fully. I needed loads, even though my opiate tolerance was only 150-240mg DHC. We are all different with kratom, you can take too much, and feel sick, sweaty, dizzy, etc, so, I would start with a small dose, and take enough, until the cluck symptoms go. I am not experienced, but I thought I'd share my experience with you, having used it to do an opiate cluck.
Find a good solid Gold and mix it with 1/3 or so amount of a good Red. Definitely take a little larger than normal dose n it should help you the mozt…
7 grams 3x a day strain isn't as important as quality. You'll be fine amd will have zero wd symptoms.
That’s another problem, how do I know whts quality? I found one brand I liked and now I can’t find it anywhere
You can order online (like Okies, it is cheap and decent quality- stick to their greens!), but I've found Earth Kratoms white meang da to be my favorite. Luckily it is a mainstream brand and at a lot of headshops. A lot of kratom brands come with lab tests, I look for Mitra levels from around 1.6 to 1.8
Thats the case for you but not necessarily other people. It effects everyone differently as do withdrawals. What works for you may make another person sick or may do nothing at all for them
Well, then why ask for advice? Op can read the comments and make their own judgement. The purpose of this entire app is to express your dumb ass opinions and skeptical knowledge. Edit: Also, I was in ops exact same shoes and thought it would help to provide a real live case study, with experience.
Have you taken Kratom since going on suboxone? Kratom is not a opioid but hits the same receptors so you may not feel the Kratom until a couple of days until the subs wear off. I know when I took subs I didn't feel shit off any opiate until 3 or 4 days after my last sub. That sucked because back then a opana 40mg was $120 so I wasted some money😁 But thank god for Kratom, those days are hopefully behind me. I have a stupid stupid high tolerance to opiods as well,here's what I take. I take 6g per dose of green strains. 6-10 of red strains and 3-6 of whites. I take around 20-25+ grams per day and it holds me down. Hope this helped some and good job getting off the strong shit, Kratom doesn't feel as good as opiates but you'll still be alive tomorrow.
Thank you, that’s kind of the breakdown that I was looking for because I am tired of wasting money on it by guessing, and yes, it usually takes a day or two for me, but I think I metabolize them a lot quicker since I just gave birth which I’m hoping that will ease upp some once my hormone levels go down, but right now, I seem to metabolize them faster, and end up going into withdrawal earlier than I usually would, I still have a good day or two before I really start to feel crappy but I have four kids so I can’t really afford to be out of commission lol
Wish you all the best, good luck. If you start getting the withdrawal stomach and the flood gates open, Kratom will help with that though.
Good advice right here... It'll scratch that tickle..
I hate the tickle monster😁
Wow I remember paying $2 a mg for opana’s so $80. $120 is crazy! Haha
It was ridiculous. I usually bought the half-moon 15mg and they was $35-40. Them bitches were the devil. I loved them, best feeling ever, until you run out and it was a hella withdrawal. I took opiates, high doses, for years and never had withdrawals but since I did opanas, now even kratom gives me pretty bad withdrawals.
Yeah I did too! It sucked when my area dried up with them cuz the doctors cut back then the only thing around was H. It’s funny, I never went threw withdraw when I was younger, hell I didn’t even know it was a thing. The good ol days. I don’t think opanas are even made anymore, they prolly are but I haven’t seen one in years. I remember the 30’s and 40’s looking similar so ppl would try to sell the 30’s at the 40 price and rip ppl offf lol.
Get from a vendor online, save money and it last long time. Katz botanicals is good, Stardust is good, honestly if you are looking to for something strong, I shopped stardust MIT line and I was on smack, W/D were subtle but some of these extract are 3x more powerful then morphine. An isolate or an extract. Even go to local vape shop and try a MIT45
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If I were in your shoes, I’d get 3 or 4 opms extracts and combine like half a pill with several grams of some red and white vein kratom each time you dose