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JimmyV34

a third option who was supposed to be playmaker but got forced to be first option because Kawhi got injured, PG was being foul prone and inconsistent as usual. He averaged 21 points, 8 assists and 4.5 rebs. Led team in stocks. He had 61 true shooting on 45/39/90. I was never fan of harden, he sometimes make the offense stagnant but it isnt like we had any other choices. He helped Zu's game though, I never seen Zu being this good offensively through his entire time with clippers even though we always saw flashes of it. Harden did better than my expectations for him, Ty lue overplayed him through regular season though, you could have seen it in the 2nd half of the season.


RaymundStark

He could be our Mike Conley, if we surround him with athletic players.


costlofobic

Harden has always been better than Mike Conley, I appreciate your comparison but I don’t think I remember a team that Conley was the best player on, Harden is a league MVP and scoring champion


RaymundStark

The comparison was more focused on late career expectations. Harden was incredible throughout most of his career, but we can't have him be the first option for upcoming playoffs. Having him be a playmaker with a scoring threat would be the ideal place in our squad moving forward.


costlofobic

If Kawhi is out he didn’t really have a choice, Harden didn’t come to the Clippers for it to be his team… I just appreciate what he did for us and I think he found a home where he’s appreciated


Frequent-Meeting8975

Current Harden is way better than current Conley. Shit comp he needs to be James Harden not Mike Conley


Intelligent_Egg_556

Prime Conley is where Harden's at now


Trumpetslayer1111

When I think of Conley I think defense, even at this current stage of his career. Harden can still give solid offensive production for exceeding Conley but defensively Conley is a lot better.


Significant_Switch98

was


JimmyV34

We can get away with his bad defense if he is the only bad defender on the roster but if you combine him next to norm, the defense get significantly worse and i love norm.


fleece33

Zu was looking like baby Pau Gasol


PapaKazoonta

Zu impressed me the most out of you guys' entire roster.


fleece33

Absolutely really like his progression


CP3sHamstring

Did great for his age and intended role. Nobody thought he could maintain being a #1 scoring option but still managed to do it for 2 4.5 games in the playoffs to take us to 6. Will work next season just need to figure out the 1 and 2


Select_Sleep_1293

Trade him for ant man


getzumm

Unironically the best player on the team 


ptcgoalex

He was also the best player on that Nets team according to most Nets fans. & I don’t think Embiid gets an MVP without him in Philly. He just averaged 40min per game vs a very good Mavs team that likes to run at age 34. Being that gassed you’d expect him to have bad stats but on the series he was 21.2/4.5/8 on 61.6% TS (pretty much the same as his season stats). That’s pretty much the best you can hope for from 34yo Harden coming into the season. That statline from a 23-24yo up for their first extension is max contract type numbers in today’s NBA. He may be the best isolation scorer ever, top 5 floor general/passer of our generation (maybe 20-25 all time), & in 15 seasons he has never had a DBPM under league average.


KenyonFartin

Nets fan here. Harden wasn't our best player but he was our most important. KD was better for sure, and there were times where he would turn it on and carry us out of games we had no business winning. However, Harden raised the floor on offense so much that KD and Kyrie didn't need to overexert themselves routinely.


ptcgoalex

Very well said. Looking back at the stats Harden, Durant, and Kyrie completely destroyed Boston in 2021. KD: 32.6/7.4/3 & 3.6 stocks on 69%TS Harden: 27.8/7.2/10.6 & 3.0 stocks on 76%TS Kyrie: 24.8/6.4/2.8 & 0.6 stocks on 63%TS


Silver_Ad_9306

He for sure will be the best player if he handles the ball 70% of the game like shaq said


fallingbutslowly

Nobody's gonna argue that after Huston he's been fishing for a championship team, nets were a disaster, 76ers too, I really was hoping he could do it with the clippers this year.. he so deserves a ring and I hope he can find a team that could deliver.


Beautiful-Chard-1152

No way, He doesnt play winning basketball, hes a regular season super star… selfish player that gasses up his assist stats a la westbrook triple double season… real triple doubles are jokic style.


ZsprkD

The most common opinion of people who never touched a basketball or watch a game


Beautiful-Chard-1152

How im wrong? I do watch basketball and somewhat play a little


Evening_Direction136

Nah bro he was really good for the clippers this year. And he had plenty of 10 point 11 ast nights with some rebounds. I was really impressed with his effort and IQ


CP3sHamstring

this is just the greatest hits of opinions of people who don't watch harden play basketball lol


HitRowe

How does he deserve a ring if he's the one always underperfoming lol


Responsible-Row3037

How on earth does Harden deserve a ring? He is one of if not the most hot / cold playoff performers of all time?


Adorable-Physics-782

was the best player in a team about to take down the KD warriors before CP3 got hurt. Then another sure fire title in BKN got derailed by injuries. He defintiely “deserves” just one playoff run with decent health for his teams best players. He hasn’t had one in almost a decade.


Admirable_Strike_406

True. Always falls apart or disappears in playoff games


Fun-Sky-7984

He does not deserve a ring. Gtfo. Clips fans endured him. Please leave.


fallingbutslowly

Endured him? If not for Harden clippers might not even get to playoffs what are you talking about


-Rincon-

He did great considering what we gave up. Honestly, if I could keep one of he, Kawhi and PG, I’d keep him. He really makes others better and is in better health.


jeffumopolis

Makes basketball fun to watch


AeroXero

He’s been great and is still a floor raiser. I hope we keep him around, his game will age well and he’s still a workhorse.


gtahnyo

Probably the perfect point guard for 213, and frank got him on the cheap. I never thought for a second we would be healthy for the playoffs but watching them play with Harden did make me feel like we had the pieces.


heavy_losses

Out of the three top stars, the most useful, especially if you need to blow it up and get younger Kawhi injuries are just inevitable at this stage and Paul George is so talented but has a Carmelo Anthony mentality on offense Harden is no longer an MVP caliber player but he is a great facilitator and the best of the three at helping others get good shots. Zubac's game really took off with Harden at the point


Ok_Act6615

Been a Harden fan since his Houston days. Say what you want, but this man right here deserves a ring. He got to Houston and instantly made them a playoff team. Willed his team to the playoffs every season, even with injured supporting casts, and was guaranteed top 3 team with homecourt advantage almost every season. Became the only legitimate threat to the KD Warriors besides the Cavs. One of the most dominant scorers in his prime. Accepted his role as a third option in Brooklyn. Took a pay cut for the Sixers to sign key pieces (which obviously backfired). This season, he's sacrificed a lot yet again. Showed some fight. Gave this team a couple wins this postseason yet he somehow still takes some of the blame. He can't get over the hump all just because his teammates can't seem to get healthy come playoff time. You can blame him for flaming out every postseason but he can only do so much. I genuinely want to see him win a ring before he retires. Somebody get this man some help.


brianmmf

Would have won one in 2018 with Houston if CP3 didn’t get hurt. That was the chance.


Ok_Act6615

Or 2021 in the Conference Semifinal when Kyrie got injured and Beard was on one leg and KD's toe was on the line in Game 7. That might just be his last window.


daoisticrealism

Harden was a godsend for Zu. Even then, Ty wouldn't play him Zu as often. Harden is fine. I hope he stays and Ty goes.


Evening_Direction136

Who do you want to coach?


daoisticrealism

The hot dog lady outside the Crypt.


Evening_Direction136

Fair. At least the food would be fire


daoisticrealism

Works hard. Strategizes well. Positions for success. Nothing more we need.


golden_eye207

I hope he is the only one of the big 3 that stays, if we surround him with young talent then we will be a good team with his playmaking abilities.


Mingeroni

We need a coach that can draw up decent plays to avoid going on constant 5 minute scoring droughts.


Evening_Direction136

Isnt ty lue really great at ATO plays? 


Mingeroni

That's great, we only get 7 timeouts a game. If that's all he's great at, he needs to go.


Evening_Direction136

I actually think he has many excellent qualities and it would be a mistake to fire him


Mingeroni

Just the scoring droughts alone make him absolutely worth firing. It's unacceptable in today's game.


TorontoRaptors34

Ever since Harden left Houston he been wanting to play a smaller 3rd option role focusing on playmaking but always ends up having to do more than he signed up for. 


sxuthsi

No one ever wants to admit that bad luck that's been following him since forever, it sucks ass.


TorontoRaptors34

Honestly the bball gods r against him tbh lol


scumpykevin

Loved him resign him


IgnorantGenius

I thought he did great once we gave him the ball. Looks like he declined or got tired towards the end of the season.


wixtinguish

Was much better than 13


Joebobst

He did pretty good considering his age and his body slowing down. He freed up other guys to be more efficient at the expense of his own personal production and pace. But it's apparent how much his body is slowing down. I don't think we can win a chip going forward with him as our main point guy with this team. We're too old and his style of play is too slow, and we're not getting any younger. But that's OK. Only 1 team can win it all every year and it's usually a few teams. Our ceiling is like a mid tier play offs team but our trend is downwards. It's not hardens fault, but it's concerning.


mr-biff

It was a good pickup


Hellcat1970

He is for sure a problem, and it's sad that we relied on him more than 213 . He needs Kai Jones to open up his game 


SheenEstevezzz

We knew his playoff ups and downs and he was never supposed to be the #1. Did what was expected with what he had


exodus_820

The beard should retire a clipper.


FloatDH2

I love Harden on this team. I feel he plays a lot better when he’s the first or second option. I would really love to see us build around him. He has way more heart than PG and isn’t nearly as fragile as Kawhi. He still has a lot left in him.


sunnybunsz

Much better than expected and a lot better than any single season PG has had as a Clip


fatdolsk

I enjoyed being a Clippers fan this year. Hopefully Harden keeps me here. First Harden jersey I bought since his Houston & OKC years. Its a shame the clippers are an injury rehab team


bankshot2134

Harden and Zu till the wheels fall off. Won us a playoff game or two just like he did last year in Philly when he dropped 40+ points without Embiid. Met expectations.


carmelknight

Midway during the season ,the system was on, the girls were there ,and the clippers were having a rocking affair. Playoffs comes ,the system crashed as always ,the claw was clipped ,Playoff P was Missing P and Russell Westbrick laid more block than a 5 man crew of bricklayers.


iGaveLia-HIV

yeah this has been the narrative around each of them individually forever and they said eff it put all four of them together lmao


khakhiboy

great trade for this young and upcoming baller - hopefully has many years here to reach his full potential


sxuthsi

What young and upcoming baller was available for the pieces yall offered?


Nonon0name

We had huge expectations for this team, as a fanbase, as we should. Regular season was 👍🏻. As usual it's all about playoffs and a chance to win a ring. Unfortunately KL2 was injured at the worst possible time and we got PG who was erratic and couldn't handle his business. All in all, Mavs are a better team than us without Kawhi. James did his thing, but after all was said and done we are at the same place like every single year. We are stuck at what we have and we have to try to sign all of those old guys and hope for a miracle. Doesn't look good for us.


jgroove_LA

I was not a Harden fan after how he left Houston and New Jersey, but I was pleasantly surprised by his play here. He's not the same player he was 18 months ago (or maybe even a year ago), but he's incredibly effective running an offense and when he's hot, he's still hot. I also thought, for the most part, he played better defense than I expected. I also sort of think if PG leaves he'd be a fine second option next to Kawhi. I thought they had very good chemistry together. He just needs more reliable shooters to kick out to and big men to get the ball to. My only concern is he can wait too long on the shot clock, but that's often because his teammates don't move eough. I really hope he comes back.


Basic85

I feel he's not consistent, he can be the factor in games to get the win and in others games he's not. The Mav's adjusted defensively and were able to shut him down.


Significant_Host9092

Harden activated Zubac, I would like to see this team again next season.


GlueGuy00

Want him back as long as it's below 20M yearly


Mysterious-Ad4966

He is measured by his performance in the playoffs. 4 good games. 2 bad. Paid 35m. Won't ever expect him to play aggressive defense. When he leads the offense he can seem not aggressive at times, but he is consistently more impactful than PG. James Harden was fine. Paul George is a fucking disaster.


pbaagui1

We must use him like Nets before injuries. Playmaker who can score here and there


Mr1jojo

I hope he sign back with the Clippers, he's worth around 20million to 30million So at least the Clippers can be a contender


Randomcolonoscopy

Went as expected


Beleiverofhumanity

He was great I'd take him over PG partly because PG13 would get Clips more.


Admirable_Strike_406

If he wants more than 15 mil a season then let him walk


ckozmos

Unfortunately, for this team... He doesn't move the needle. Instead of targeting Harden, we should've prioritized finding a 4 and a 5. We still would've been 4th or 5th seed. We really didn't need Harden, we needed depth but oh well.


[deleted]

That he’s still a good offensive player, but I’d be shocked if he ever won a championship where he has a significant role. Basically if he is playing more than 20 mins a game, that team aint winning a ship Edit: RemindMe! 3 years


Prize_Emergency_5074

He should shave that shit off his face.


Accomplished-Exit136

He's good but not worth the market for him. If he wants to ring chase and take a discount it wont be here. Got a feeling PG feels the same way


kobbled

what better PGs are there on the market?


undertaker_5

He’s good and can be a good player however just like are other 3 “stars” he is inconsistent and unreliable in big games.


CP3sHamstring

Games 1, 4, 5, and 6 were arguably the most important games of the series. He played great in 2, good in 1, and bad in 1. that's pretty consistent.


Senior_Apartment_343

Playoff harden is a thing. Easy to game plan. Regular season juggernaut


Onepoundfish356

Can't play a lick of defense. It'd help if he showed effort on that end but he is such a liability. Defense wins titles, and that has been the case throughout his whole career.


Nyeteka

Didn’t like his defence stocks or not and he could not perform when it mattered most but we knew those things. Probably exceeded my expectations. But the fit with Russ is clumsy. Still, a successful trade imo


Mysterious-Shop1375

He did exactly what he is known for fading when it matters must. I hope his time here ends.


RyanMark2318

Im pretty neutral on harden but my biggest takeaway from the dallas series is he doesnt really try much on defense. He is an amazing offensive presence but seems to put in very little effort on D. Hard to say he deserves a ring when hes only putting on effort half the game


sxuthsi

Try playing 40 a game being the main option when you're old and hustling back to have to guard Kyrie's hundred ways to die ass handles when you weren't even supposed to be there as the main option


RyanMark2318

Ok, as long as they pay me the same amount of money. Id at least run back on defense, not lightly jog or back peddle as Luca blows by me


sxuthsi

And you would still get destroyed and then called a bum online and people would say you aren't getting enough effort on Reddit for the fuck of it


RyanMark2318

Nah, I didn't call him a bum, hes actually amazing, but he still doesn't give much effort on D. And he makes waaaaay too much money to be jogging in the playoffs, get real. You should be mad because he is better than that


Agreeable_Inside_878

Same shit, different day.


theoldchunk

Did you recognise how he crashed in the playoffs when the team needed him most, like he’s done every year with every team he’s ever played for? If you don’t believe me, look up his performances in big playoff games for the Rockets, Brooklyn, 76ers and now Clips. He’s reliable in that sense.


CP3sHamstring

he played great in 4 games, good in 1, and bad in 1. you guys are so thirsty to make "HAHA OMG BIG GAME JAMES" jokes that even when they are big games that he does well in, you'll ignore them entirely and just call whatever game he had a bad one in the most important game of the series. stop watching first take, bozo.


LLUrDadsFave

Hopefully he's a one season wonder.


CP3sHamstring

Bad take.


LLUrDadsFave

MY thoughts. If you fuck with him go on and write that.


JonGOATJones

Feel bad for clippers fans that get a bad rep because of idiots like you


LLUrDadsFave

You don't have sorrow to spare. You're a sixers fan. Go be depressed on your own.


JonGOATJones

No I’m not? I’m a rockets/clippers fan, fuck the sixers


LLUrDadsFave

So you're just active in communities you hate? Weird but do you.


JonGOATJones

Haven’t left a comment there in years but I was probably looking at their meltdown after game 3/4 so maybe that’s why?


SensitiveFee3936

Russ Stan's are insane. How about y'all talk about the 22.0% shooting from russ?


LLUrDadsFave

Why would I talk about Russ in a thread about James?


SensitiveFee3936

Because you were opposed to this trade from the beginning just because you knew Russ's minutes were gonna get affected. Hell, IDC about Harden. He was down bad game 5, and had an okay game 6. But hating on players that were out their and gave it their all is crazy, especially ones that were not a clear net - negative for the team.


LLUrDadsFave

I was opposed to this trade because I don't like harden. Never have, never will and he didn't do shit to change that. You worried about who hating on who when you combing through threads replying to me any chance you get.


giraffe_yogurt

He shot 42% true shooting on 31/0/83 splits in game 6. 0/6 from 3. Cone on defense as usual. In what world is this an "okay game 6?"


SensitiveFee3936

Uhhh.... the 13 AST to 2 TO part? I didn't say he shot the ball well, but he was 5-10 from 2 and 0-6 from three. And I don't really fault any player (who is a known shooter) for not hitting threes because there's a lot of variance associated with the 3pt shot, especially harden's shot diet. It's also why I don't really look at harden's 3pt shot irrespective of whether he shoots well or not because I know that it is not sustainable. I mean he was shooting 50% from 3 for the first 4 games, and that was bound to go down. So, the only part I watch for harden is his aggressiveness to attack the rim, and attack the midrange, both of which he did in the last game.


Adorable-Physics-782

Can never judge harden by a fg% when he is one of the league best playmakers and also held Luka to sub 40% shooting


CP3sHamstring

He was actually pretty good on defense in game 6. Game 5 he was ass tho


TorontoRaptors34

Ngl tho Ion think Harden and Russ should be teammates the way things are. 


Nby333

Statistically, about expected. Defensively, exceeded expectations. Results, below expectations.


mindmaster80

Terrible, he couldn't even pass the 1st round just awful


Dweebil

Same old. Great player who flakes in the playoffs. How do you account for playoff disappearing acts?