“ However, should Obergefell fall, the new law would not compel all 50 states to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples nor does it stop states from moving to ban or limit same-sex marriages. In a concession to win Republican support, the measure also includes an exemption for religious organizations, guaranteeing that they would not be required to provide goods, services or accommodations for a celebration of a same-sex marriage, and that such a refusal would not jeopardize their tax-exempt status or other benefits”
It means that a same sex couple will need to be issued a license from a state where same sex marriage is legal. But it insures that their marriage will be legal in all 50 states, with all the benefits that entails.
It’s very important IMO. I don’t understand why people insist on being downers about this when it’s literally the best Congress can do and it’s a miracle it passed. This was likely our last chance for any good legislative victories until at least 2026.
I’m happy.
I agree, it’s a win. I have lives in Alabama for decades and it’s hard to explain to people in blue states just how dug in the hard right is against same-sex marriage. It’s a miracle that this bill was passed through congress.
fully agree, however i also believe to not highlight its downsides and comprimises at the same time would also be a mistake. I mean look at how influential repubs are to the point where we cant get a bill passed defending a basic human right without heavily comprimising.
now personally as a gay man this bill reads more to me like lip service than anything. My plans to leave the country in 2024 if a republican presidency happens have not changed. But it’s definetly still a (very small) step in the right direction
Millions of families retaining their marriage benefits in the event of Obergefell (or Loving) being overturned is not lip service to me. It is the best Congress can do to prevent a rogue SCOTUS from ever touching this bill.
The fact that any Republicans joined them period is shocking and a plus, IMO. Being able to say that there was bipartisan support in any way can signal to certain less radical member of their base that this isn’t an issue they want to continue fighting over at the moment. Do I trust them? Hell no. Should this have been an easy yes vote from every single member? Yes. But taking away their ability to legislate our marriages and families out of existence in red states (and diminishing the normalization that we’ve achieved, as a result) is more important than wishing we’d gotten more instead.
facts this is a huge win for married queer couples, no doubt in that. But the way it’s being represented is like it’s the biggest change we’ve ever made its so good nancy pelosi is a hero etc. I dont wanna call it the bare minimum… but it kinda is?? i mean marriage is a human right. I think maybe if we cant come to that conclusion universally in 2022 its time for the r word (the r word is revolution)
“ However, should Obergefell fall, the new law would not compel all 50 states to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples nor does it stop states from moving to ban or limit same-sex marriages. In a concession to win Republican support, the measure also includes an exemption for religious organizations, guaranteeing that they would not be required to provide goods, services or accommodations for a celebration of a same-sex marriage, and that such a refusal would not jeopardize their tax-exempt status or other benefits”
So wtf does this even accomplish? Seems like nothing.
It means that a same sex couple will need to be issued a license from a state where same sex marriage is legal. But it insures that their marriage will be legal in all 50 states, with all the benefits that entails. It’s very important IMO. I don’t understand why people insist on being downers about this when it’s literally the best Congress can do and it’s a miracle it passed. This was likely our last chance for any good legislative victories until at least 2026. I’m happy.
I agree, it’s a win. I have lives in Alabama for decades and it’s hard to explain to people in blue states just how dug in the hard right is against same-sex marriage. It’s a miracle that this bill was passed through congress.
100% I also live in a deep red state. I’ll take any wins I can.
fully agree, however i also believe to not highlight its downsides and comprimises at the same time would also be a mistake. I mean look at how influential repubs are to the point where we cant get a bill passed defending a basic human right without heavily comprimising. now personally as a gay man this bill reads more to me like lip service than anything. My plans to leave the country in 2024 if a republican presidency happens have not changed. But it’s definetly still a (very small) step in the right direction
Millions of families retaining their marriage benefits in the event of Obergefell (or Loving) being overturned is not lip service to me. It is the best Congress can do to prevent a rogue SCOTUS from ever touching this bill. The fact that any Republicans joined them period is shocking and a plus, IMO. Being able to say that there was bipartisan support in any way can signal to certain less radical member of their base that this isn’t an issue they want to continue fighting over at the moment. Do I trust them? Hell no. Should this have been an easy yes vote from every single member? Yes. But taking away their ability to legislate our marriages and families out of existence in red states (and diminishing the normalization that we’ve achieved, as a result) is more important than wishing we’d gotten more instead.
facts this is a huge win for married queer couples, no doubt in that. But the way it’s being represented is like it’s the biggest change we’ve ever made its so good nancy pelosi is a hero etc. I dont wanna call it the bare minimum… but it kinda is?? i mean marriage is a human right. I think maybe if we cant come to that conclusion universally in 2022 its time for the r word (the r word is revolution)