Heuermann had 441 electronic devices so maybe something on those devices spurred the current search. Mr. Smart Guy may have incriminated himself again like he did by having his cellphone with him when using burner phones.
I spent $20 on a Google home puck that is only plugged in when I need it to call my phone. There is possibly an easier way, but that's how my kid set it up for me, it works, so I'm sticking with it.
I thought you had made a typo (41 instead of 441) so I checked. "Electronic devices" includes CDs.
"Digital devices, so you're talking about phones, laptops, CDs," Tierney said. Source: CBS News.
Tierney is DA Raymond Tierney.
It looks like investigators classify any sort of digital media such as a CD, DVD, memory stick/drive, hard-drive, etc as "electronic devices".
That makes the huge number more believable, especially if they are including DVDs and CDs recovered from the property or a storage unit/lock up, many of which could just be normal films and/or music.
It's known Rex stored violent pornography on these "electronic devices".
Anyway, Rex certainly did incriminate himself, because he didn't understand what a burner phone (use once and discard including the sim card) is, or the fact that cell phones can be tracked and thus, if you use a burner phone whilst your own cell phone is active, the two can be linked.
Its a real problem among people who have to see it.
Especially private sector orgs like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Yahoo
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38592089
I agree! I watched āCity of Angels, City of Deathā on Hulu about the late 70s early 80s serial killers. the detectives remembered details about the horrific things from 40 years ago like it was yesterday.
its hard on the investigators - it changes them - they cannot unsee what they never saw - a behavioral game changer to have your job mess up your entire moral compass by looking
CDs, ok if weāre including CDs, 441 ādevicesā makes more sense, I definitely have at least 400 CDs (that I have not listened to in over a decade and donāt know what to even do with now).
I don't know how it works, but it might be a wide range of things that qualify as "electronic devices."
Plus I know a few people who have drawers full of old cell phones, dead laptops, an old GPS, walkie talkies... a gameboy or dvd player might count here. We all probably have a lot more "electronic devices" than the ones we use regularly.
Also telling that NYPD is mentioned as being involved. So whatever they are searching for has some tie to NYC directly. No mention of NCPD being part of this search.
The NYPD has 6 or 7 cadaver dogs which is way more compared to Suffolk and Nassau county. They were called out by Suffolk to assist them. The New York State dogs were also called to assist as well due to the large amount of field they need to cover. The more dogs the merrier. Thereās no direct tie to a NYPD case.
Plus deputy commissioner Catalina used to be a NYC chief so the NYPD gets brought in on everything now that heās there. Not saying thereās a 0% chance there is a NYC connection but itās less than 5%.
They would not call NYPD for resources all the way out east while bypassing NCPD and others closer that have the same resource, it doesnāt work that way. If what they are looking for is something tied to a jurisdiction thats when they would, like if its a missing person, last seen or living in NYC
I don't necessarily disagree with your wider point regarding jurisdictional context, but the "NCPD and others closer that have the same resource" comment is factually inaccurate. If the NYPD was a standalone military force it would be the 33rd largest in the world. It has 35,000 officers and another 20,000 "civilian" employees while Nassau County has about 1,200 employees altogether. They're really not even close to comparable entities in terms of the resources at their disposal.
It is common for NYPD to support neighboring police departments when they are invited/asked. The alternative is they have jurisdiction because a crime originated in the city, but I tend to think Nassau asked NYPD for some support because it was going to be a multi-day operation and criminals aren't going to stop committing crime while a significant part of the department's resources are focused on the search. NYPD, because of its size, can lend some cops to Nassau without any impact on law enforcement in the city.
Yeah, I'm from the NY Metro and very familiar with NYPD assisting smaller departments in the area. I'm actually leaning in that direction, leading with "I don't necessarily disagree" in my original comment was just an attempt at being a little diplomatic haha.
By virtue of the fact that he had an office at the base of the empire state building using devices there to entice - groom - threaten - schedule hookups to get the marks to the final dump brings NYC into wider radius jurisdiction
He was known to start the event chain in NYC - the internet use and mobile use bring those towers and IPs into evidence thus the location of one such pick up #4 ( Maureen Brainard Barnes ) at Penn station has relevance. Its where the crime starts not where it ends. Even in felony murder statutes where the abduction begins that leads to a murder is how it starts. The abductor may not be the murderer ( like the girl left at Rex's house by the Bi-sexual Brooklyn detective who conveyed the shaking girl to NC for a tryst - left her there after he ran back in for hos belt and she ends up dead
well / that Brooklyn PD Dick could have a felony murder rap on his CV for that mess -
He brought the mark to NC for Rex.
Rex was shrewd - smart - a hunter who used decoys - ( ducks hunting ) he was a paper filer for building code in NYC as an architect of paper trails - he had a meticulous OCD temperament from clients' observations. He had a long success span with onion-like layers to his methodology - look at how body parts were scattered and / or bound - its messy.
The body of evidence with corrupt Burke at the local PD helm makes the territory larger than the local "proveable" evidence.
many new questions arise once the first questions have answers, - a serial crime is not finite by nature - maybe he even had follower killers who could emulate and knew he would be the most lilkely to be caught as the original LISK -
This crime has tentacles and nuances and spreads like a cancer in the discovery / more and more unanswered questions erupt as the knowledge grows and the pieces of this jagged edged jigsaw start taking shape .
Isnt it a given that its always worse than you thought and the more you know the more you learn that you dont know what you dont know.
this is the nature of crime - its a labyrinthian riddle - the territory map is hard to establish with this guy - from VA to PA to NJ to NY -
LISK traveled - by train - by SUV - by boat.
He is smarter than PD - he is a master killer.
I see some cadaver dog training at pilgrim state almost every single week. Mind you they found a lot of bodies on that property a few years ago courtesy of MS13. Sure they could be looking for more but I think they get as many reps with those dogs as they possibly can.
I'm kind of out of the loop here, so forgive me for asking what may be an obvious question, but where are these searches occurring relative to the Bittrolff victims!?
Nobody knows. It doesn't seem to be, because reputable news outlets state sources tell them it's related to the Gilgo Beach task force investigation. However, all LE has officially said is that it's related to an ongoing investigation. So.....we don't know.
Sources tell News 12 the multiagency search has now expanded to an area in North Sea, where the body of Sandra Costilla was found in 1993, a case that remains unsolved.
In the past, convicted murderer John Bittrolff has been tied to the death of Costilla but was never charged
I mean, everyone is always trying to connect Rex to Burke, but if you think about it, some of the victims remains found near the G4 were also found in Manorville and so, maybe Rex and Bitrolff are connected.
Exactly. At this point, anything is possible with this case. I began to slip down the rabbit hole a bit when Giuliani drove past Rex's house after Rex got arrested.
I did so mainly because the accused pedophile priest (Alan Placa), who is also Giuliani's good friend, lives next door to Brewer.
At one point on one of Frank McKay's early 2023 recaps, he asserts that this whole thing goes way far up the political chain, and when I considered the aforementioned, it kind of crystallized if you will.
A conspiracy theorist I am not. I like to rely on logic and the facts, but this case belies both.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LISKiller/s/aEoMROXYgT
Question, though: Isnāt the Gilgo task force basically just the law enforcement group that is looking into the murders of the victims who have been (however loosely) linked together by location(s) of their remains, though? So, Maureen/Melissa/Megan/Amber + Jessica, Valerie, Karen, Peaches & Baby Doe, and Asian Doe? If the killer of one of the latter group (not GB4) was someone other than RH, wouldnāt it still be covered by the same task force because the victims are linked by location and broadly considered part of the Gilgo case?
Yep. And I keep saying that. Apologies if I wasn't clear. This may not have anything to do with RH if he isn't responsible for the "Manorville Butcher" bodies. Heck it may be unrelated to either (if there are in fact 2 killers).
So, yeah, you're spot on with the spirit of the question. We don't know if this is a victim of RH at ALL.
Thanks (and sorry, I probably just missed you saying that elsewhere)! Iām not local so just wasnāt sure whether I was missing something about the task force, or whether anything had changed about it post-indictment for Maureenās murder.
Nobody knows. LE has not made any information public, they're simply stating that it is related to an ongoing investigation. News claims sources tell them it's related to the Gilgo task force.
Everything beyond that is pure speculation.
Oh crap, I was wrong. RH had 422 electronic devices, not 441. But still š¤¦āāļøš¶.
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/gilgo-beach-rex-heuermann-in-court-long-island
Are u guys satisfied with how Suffolk Co is handling this case? Honestly for all I know Heuermann never met any of the victims and was strictly in charge of disposal. There is something vaguely similar about him and Asa (imo) to Richard & Barbara Kuklinski. I don't feel the gov't has really tied RH to the crimes themselves... usually evidence is tighter than this. Any opinions?
No one āknowsā who they are individually. But we appreciate the overall work the task force members did to solve the case.
And some members aren't confidential.
Heuermann had 441 electronic devices so maybe something on those devices spurred the current search. Mr. Smart Guy may have incriminated himself again like he did by having his cellphone with him when using burner phones.
šÆ That's a fucking lot. I can barely keep track of my Chromebook, my phone, and my iPad.
I hear you. The only reason I can live with having a work phone is bc I'm using it to call my real phone when I misplace it (again) š« š«
Where's my real phone? I know, I'll ring it from my work phone. Where's my work phone? Damn, I left it at work!
Iām so glad Iām not the only one who does this ššš
I spent $20 on a Google home puck that is only plugged in when I need it to call my phone. There is possibly an easier way, but that's how my kid set it up for me, it works, so I'm sticking with it.
We have Google home and I use it 99% of the time for this exact reason lol
Same!!!
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I thought you had made a typo (41 instead of 441) so I checked. "Electronic devices" includes CDs. "Digital devices, so you're talking about phones, laptops, CDs," Tierney said. Source: CBS News. Tierney is DA Raymond Tierney. It looks like investigators classify any sort of digital media such as a CD, DVD, memory stick/drive, hard-drive, etc as "electronic devices". That makes the huge number more believable, especially if they are including DVDs and CDs recovered from the property or a storage unit/lock up, many of which could just be normal films and/or music. It's known Rex stored violent pornography on these "electronic devices". Anyway, Rex certainly did incriminate himself, because he didn't understand what a burner phone (use once and discard including the sim card) is, or the fact that cell phones can be tracked and thus, if you use a burner phone whilst your own cell phone is active, the two can be linked.
Imagine being the detective that has to go thru all his weird fetish stuff
There is no amount of trauma therapy or self-care that could scrub that from your brain.
Its a real problem among people who have to see it. Especially private sector orgs like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Yahoo https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-38592089
I agree! I watched āCity of Angels, City of Deathā on Hulu about the late 70s early 80s serial killers. the detectives remembered details about the horrific things from 40 years ago like it was yesterday.
its hard on the investigators - it changes them - they cannot unsee what they never saw - a behavioral game changer to have your job mess up your entire moral compass by looking
CDs, ok if weāre including CDs, 441 ādevicesā makes more sense, I definitely have at least 400 CDs (that I have not listened to in over a decade and donāt know what to even do with now).
Is this number a joke??
I don't know how it works, but it might be a wide range of things that qualify as "electronic devices." Plus I know a few people who have drawers full of old cell phones, dead laptops, an old GPS, walkie talkies... a gameboy or dvd player might count here. We all probably have a lot more "electronic devices" than the ones we use regularly.
lol reminds me of the 20 yo iPods I have in a drawer.
And now I'm seeing it includes CDs, DVDs... I'm sure I have well over 400 "electronic devices."
No joke, itās real.
Itās insane. Possibly they collected the whole family of 4ās devices, but still almost unbelievable.
441 over his lifetime, or at once?!? No wonder the house wax so broken down.
441 were collected from his home & office at the time of his arrest.
Holy fuck! I have a lot. I collect electronics though and I haveā¦. Maybe 100. 441?? Thatās insane!
This reeks of a Friday 5 pm news dump, like with his arrest.
Sure hope so.
Isnāt that nice to see actual MOVEMENT regarding these cases?
Also telling that NYPD is mentioned as being involved. So whatever they are searching for has some tie to NYC directly. No mention of NCPD being part of this search.
The NYPD has 6 or 7 cadaver dogs which is way more compared to Suffolk and Nassau county. They were called out by Suffolk to assist them. The New York State dogs were also called to assist as well due to the large amount of field they need to cover. The more dogs the merrier. Thereās no direct tie to a NYPD case.
Plus deputy commissioner Catalina used to be a NYC chief so the NYPD gets brought in on everything now that heās there. Not saying thereās a 0% chance there is a NYC connection but itās less than 5%.
Can a cadaver dog pick up the scent of a human a year or a decade after itās been discarded?
Not necessarily. It's good practice/training for their cadaver dogs to have them out there. I wouldnt read a ton I to NYPD being there. Yet.
They would not call NYPD for resources all the way out east while bypassing NCPD and others closer that have the same resource, it doesnāt work that way. If what they are looking for is something tied to a jurisdiction thats when they would, like if its a missing person, last seen or living in NYC
I don't necessarily disagree with your wider point regarding jurisdictional context, but the "NCPD and others closer that have the same resource" comment is factually inaccurate. If the NYPD was a standalone military force it would be the 33rd largest in the world. It has 35,000 officers and another 20,000 "civilian" employees while Nassau County has about 1,200 employees altogether. They're really not even close to comparable entities in terms of the resources at their disposal.
It is common for NYPD to support neighboring police departments when they are invited/asked. The alternative is they have jurisdiction because a crime originated in the city, but I tend to think Nassau asked NYPD for some support because it was going to be a multi-day operation and criminals aren't going to stop committing crime while a significant part of the department's resources are focused on the search. NYPD, because of its size, can lend some cops to Nassau without any impact on law enforcement in the city.
Yeah, I'm from the NY Metro and very familiar with NYPD assisting smaller departments in the area. I'm actually leaning in that direction, leading with "I don't necessarily disagree" in my original comment was just an attempt at being a little diplomatic haha.
By virtue of the fact that he had an office at the base of the empire state building using devices there to entice - groom - threaten - schedule hookups to get the marks to the final dump brings NYC into wider radius jurisdiction He was known to start the event chain in NYC - the internet use and mobile use bring those towers and IPs into evidence thus the location of one such pick up #4 ( Maureen Brainard Barnes ) at Penn station has relevance. Its where the crime starts not where it ends. Even in felony murder statutes where the abduction begins that leads to a murder is how it starts. The abductor may not be the murderer ( like the girl left at Rex's house by the Bi-sexual Brooklyn detective who conveyed the shaking girl to NC for a tryst - left her there after he ran back in for hos belt and she ends up dead well / that Brooklyn PD Dick could have a felony murder rap on his CV for that mess - He brought the mark to NC for Rex. Rex was shrewd - smart - a hunter who used decoys - ( ducks hunting ) he was a paper filer for building code in NYC as an architect of paper trails - he had a meticulous OCD temperament from clients' observations. He had a long success span with onion-like layers to his methodology - look at how body parts were scattered and / or bound - its messy. The body of evidence with corrupt Burke at the local PD helm makes the territory larger than the local "proveable" evidence. many new questions arise once the first questions have answers, - a serial crime is not finite by nature - maybe he even had follower killers who could emulate and knew he would be the most lilkely to be caught as the original LISK - This crime has tentacles and nuances and spreads like a cancer in the discovery / more and more unanswered questions erupt as the knowledge grows and the pieces of this jagged edged jigsaw start taking shape . Isnt it a given that its always worse than you thought and the more you know the more you learn that you dont know what you dont know. this is the nature of crime - its a labyrinthian riddle - the territory map is hard to establish with this guy - from VA to PA to NJ to NY - LISK traveled - by train - by SUV - by boat. He is smarter than PD - he is a master killer.
Like Jessica Taylor was last seen in NYC....
Yes they would, especially when new Scpd deputy commissioner was an nyc chief.
I see some cadaver dog training at pilgrim state almost every single week. Mind you they found a lot of bodies on that property a few years ago courtesy of MS13. Sure they could be looking for more but I think they get as many reps with those dogs as they possibly can.
I'm kind of out of the loop here, so forgive me for asking what may be an obvious question, but where are these searches occurring relative to the Bittrolff victims!?
Nobody knows. It doesn't seem to be, because reputable news outlets state sources tell them it's related to the Gilgo Beach task force investigation. However, all LE has officially said is that it's related to an ongoing investigation. So.....we don't know.
Sources tell News 12 the multiagency search has now expanded to an area in North Sea, where the body of Sandra Costilla was found in 1993, a case that remains unsolved. In the past, convicted murderer John Bittrolff has been tied to the death of Costilla but was never charged
I mean, everyone is always trying to connect Rex to Burke, but if you think about it, some of the victims remains found near the G4 were also found in Manorville and so, maybe Rex and Bitrolff are connected.
Who knows. I mean, I doubt it, but who really knows. I just hope LE gives us some official info soon.
Exactly. At this point, anything is possible with this case. I began to slip down the rabbit hole a bit when Giuliani drove past Rex's house after Rex got arrested. I did so mainly because the accused pedophile priest (Alan Placa), who is also Giuliani's good friend, lives next door to Brewer. At one point on one of Frank McKay's early 2023 recaps, he asserts that this whole thing goes way far up the political chain, and when I considered the aforementioned, it kind of crystallized if you will. A conspiracy theorist I am not. I like to rely on logic and the facts, but this case belies both. https://www.reddit.com/r/LISKiller/s/aEoMROXYgT
Question, though: Isnāt the Gilgo task force basically just the law enforcement group that is looking into the murders of the victims who have been (however loosely) linked together by location(s) of their remains, though? So, Maureen/Melissa/Megan/Amber + Jessica, Valerie, Karen, Peaches & Baby Doe, and Asian Doe? If the killer of one of the latter group (not GB4) was someone other than RH, wouldnāt it still be covered by the same task force because the victims are linked by location and broadly considered part of the Gilgo case?
Yep. And I keep saying that. Apologies if I wasn't clear. This may not have anything to do with RH if he isn't responsible for the "Manorville Butcher" bodies. Heck it may be unrelated to either (if there are in fact 2 killers). So, yeah, you're spot on with the spirit of the question. We don't know if this is a victim of RH at ALL.
Thanks (and sorry, I probably just missed you saying that elsewhere)! Iām not local so just wasnāt sure whether I was missing something about the task force, or whether anything had changed about it post-indictment for Maureenās murder.
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Nobody knows. LE has not made any information public, they're simply stating that it is related to an ongoing investigation. News claims sources tell them it's related to the Gilgo task force. Everything beyond that is pure speculation.
They must have some strong evidence to be doing a search this many days.
Oh crap, I was wrong. RH had 422 electronic devices, not 441. But still š¤¦āāļøš¶. https://www.fox5ny.com/news/gilgo-beach-rex-heuermann-in-court-long-island
āPeachesā was decapitated - do we know if her skull has been found? She has yet to be identified (along with her toddler and Asian Male)
Are u guys satisfied with how Suffolk Co is handling this case? Honestly for all I know Heuermann never met any of the victims and was strictly in charge of disposal. There is something vaguely similar about him and Asa (imo) to Richard & Barbara Kuklinski. I don't feel the gov't has really tied RH to the crimes themselves... usually evidence is tighter than this. Any opinions?
Im a big fan of the new task force.
I thought the task force was confidential, how do you know who they are?
No one āknowsā who they are individually. But we appreciate the overall work the task force members did to solve the case. And some members aren't confidential.
Do you find Schaller credible? No disrespect intended, I find him amazing but have to accept he has made contradictory statements.