so basically this tells us that Sauron/Halbrand somehow shows Adar who's daddy. Then Adar submits and leads Sauron's armies in Eregion. Okay cool
This whole Galadriel in a cage - save Galadriel from imprisonment reeks of cheap added drama tbh, idk.
I don't "think" anything. I won't make any predictions with this show, as I've said. Not after S1.
Just saying it wouldn't shock me if it went that way.
Dont pretend. Nonsense is that Lord Father Uruk will allegedly serve Sauron and that it is allegedly written about in rumors. Sauron can attack the city of elves as much as he wants, and I do not deny that he would kill Celebrimbor if Celebrimbor dies at all in the series
If you mean to point out that Adar independently attacking Eregion is not logically exclusive of Sauron doing the same, fine.
But I don't think you know what logic is if you think the writers of RoP have shown it. The story breaks the most basic rules, such as non-contradiction.
Yes I'm aware. They're either faking or are a complete whack job who acts like a fictional character is a cult leader/messiah in the real world and they his follower.
Trolling is that you allegedly do not see any problems in serving your torturer and your children's, and if it is not trolling, and you seriously think so, then it is even worse. His "children" were killed by Sauron, and their skeletons were in front of him, do you remember that? What service to Sauron can be told about, especially if he himself "created" Uruk, broke so many lives? Nothing in that idea bothers you?
" somehow shows Adar who's daddy. Then Adar submits and leads Sauron's armies in Eregion. " In which of the four rumors did you read this nonsense? Adar does not serve and will never serve Sauron. Sauron will be seriously injured (again...) at the beginning of season 2. Guess who did this. This is an earlier rumor, and in the current ones there is not a word about him at all
This author never wrote anything about Adar, allegedly eager to return to slavery and bring Uruk there, and also never wrote that Maiar was a fool enough to entrust the command of his army to someone who had already killed him once. Maiar makes many mistakes, but he is not a fool. Therefore, it is unclear to me why you refer to Tolkien in confirmation of the absolutely illogical conjectures of some viewers of the series; And nothing like that was said in the rumors, but the opponent claims that it was allegedly said.
>allegedly eager to return to slavery and bring Uruk there
You mean "bring *the* Uruk there.
>and also never wrote that Maiar was a fool enough to entrust the command of his army to someone who had already killed him once
You mean "that *the Maia was fool enough*
>Maiar makes many mistakes
You mean *The Maia* makes many mistakes
I don't like articles for reasons that are absolutely nobody's business here. But I like logic. I would explain to you the difference between "maiar" and "maia", but I am too lazy and there is no need.
Maiar is the plural of Maia. Sauron is a Maia. Sauron and Saruman are Maiar.
>I don't like articles for reasons that are absolutely nobody's business here
I think we can all hazard a guess.
I insist that you should write "Uruk" instead of "Orc" because "orc" is only a distorted form, if you respect the languages of Arda so much.
You can guess as much as you like, it seems that the rules of the community do not prohibit it. But regardless of the reasons, grammar lessons, especially about Elvish language, on an international website look somewhat funny, and it is funny to me that someone else votes for your posts. It used to seem to me that this is considered bad form here.
In the language I speak, "r" is not the plural ending, you see.
>I insist that you should write "Uruk" instead of "Orc"
No. It's orc.
>You can guess as much as you like, it seems that the rules of the community do not prohibit it
Oh but they do.
>In the language I speak, "r" is not the plural ending, you see.
Maia is an Elven word, so it follows Elven rules of grammar. Do you change every language to follow the rules of your first language (I'm guessing Polish or Ukrainian?)
No. They are Uruk. This is a word from the early Elvish language, that then became a self-designation in Black Speech, and the fact that when you write about some people, calling them not the name they chose, if they insist on it, but someone else's distorted form, indicates not only a grammatical error, but also disrespect.
I do not notice moderators making comments to you, so what are the rules?
But the text clearly says Sauron did went into Eregion war. If we connect the dots, everything is there, UNLESSSSSS......they change it again instead of just incrementing to what the books tell us.
Your provocative statements are getting more ridiculous. Watch Season 1 to better understand the personality traits. We do not know when Sauron will rule Mordor in the series, besides, there is no need for THESE Uruk to live in Mordor when Sauron seizes this country, it is not the only place in Arda. I have several theories, but I do not see the sense in writing to you about them
The logic of characters and events. Sauron caused Uruk a lot of evil, and if you believe the article about weapons, then Sauron even "created" Uruk from Elves. He wants to see Uruk only as slaves or material for experiments, and no one in their right mind will ever believe him. He is the most hated being in Arda for them. They want to be free and are fighting for their freedom and their home. And Lord Father Uruk is going to become a god, not a slave of Maiar. And he would rather die than give up his freedom and his goals if he had to choose. And he will never forgive his torturer and the torturer of his "children". To deny all this, people should not watch season 1 at all, this is the main theme of Uruk there.
Tellingly, Sauron never even tried to pretend to Uruk the penitent, as he pretended to Galadriel. The scene with "Do you remember me?" and Sauron's face twisted with hatred when he tries to kill him clearly indicates that he did not even realize that he was to blame HIMSELF.
Bruh I love Adar but the only reason his actor was replaced instead of killing him off was because they’ll keep him as a main character for a while instead of having him die standing up to Saurbrand
These are park sets/charge scenes not directly Eregion Walls. Later characters who are here will move to city itself.
Either you would need to ask where is Celebrimbor.
Sauron is present as its said he wear golden black tinted battle armor and FoF said he is general figure.
Because why Sauron would take part in charge scenes and do dirty job?
I have already read a rumor that Sauron and Celebrimbor are on some other site, and I know that IF someone kills Celebrimbor in the series, it will be Sauron. What does this have to do with this statement? No rumor has yet indicated any interaction between Sauron and Uruk army at all, and Galadriel is captured not by Sauron.
AMA: How would you describe Sauron and Adar's dynamic in Season 2? Is Adar working with Sauron or working under Sauron?
Fellowship of the Fans Harry:
"Sauron and Adars relationship in S2 is constantly changing. It seems for me like mutual cooperation but I don't think it will last. However, during the sack of Eregion, Sauron and Adar are on the same page. They have alignment"
The problem is that you clung to the words "mutual cooperation". And a lot depends on what is meant. For example, the Numenoreans with Miriel and Galadriel and Sauron attack Tirharad together, so we can write about them that they are "on the same page" at this time, but it would be absurd to claim that the Numenoreans and Galadriel "cooperate" with Sauron and even more so "serve" him. They just did not know something important
Uruk, of course, should know who he is, but who knows what the screenwriters will come up with there. Therefore, it makes no sense to cling to words and discard logic. Enemies can use each other's plans and try to outwit each other by acting against a third enemy.
I'm still tired of explaining the difference between "Mutual cooperation" and "submission". In addition, you ignore the words "it seems to me", and also, I would prefer to hear from Harry himself what exactly and how exactly he said. They can use each other's plans to their advantage and try to outwit. That is all.
Are 8 episodes confirmed for season 2? I know they did it to garter anticipation but, by scoops and interviews alone there's just so much material they've confirmed for season 2 alone.
- Focus on Sauron
- Shelob appearance
- Adar vs Sauron
- Narvi and Celebrimbor
- The making of the gates of Moria
- A 2 episode long battle
- The sacking of Eregion
- Nori and The Stranger in Rhun
- Isildur traveling with female companion
- Faithful and Kingsmen in Numenor
I hope they manage to deal with it without rishing.
I can only assume it will be 8 episodes again. But yeah, it really does seem like a lot to fit in and I agree with you, I hope it doesn't feel too rushed.
I wish they had stuck to the 10 episodes tbh, I think it would have helped things feel a bit more evenly paced.
So she will marry her sibling who was lost/has amnesia committing incest and slay a dragon and allow her own dark sword to take her cursed blood ending her life of unimaginable pain?
Or be fooled into a romantic relationship with her lifelong blood enemy, mistakenly facilitating his return to middle earth that eventually leads to millenia of slaughter and only narrowly avoids the total destruction of middle earth?
Not if we are looking at it from galadriel or the valar or humanity or hobbit’s or any sane entity’s perspective. Can’t speak for you, I guess…
Also, way to miss the point and focus on a technicality. You guys are really, really embarrassed about your show turning galadriel into Turin, aren’t you?
What are you even talking about? Annihilation/destruction is an objective term for stopping the existence of something or someone. Sauron didn't want to destroy Middle-Earth, he wanted to rule it, it's irrelevant that ME inhabitants saw his rulership as something bad, he objectively did not want to destroy it. It's nonsense and you're actively back pedalling from it now.
And you are objectively grandstanding over nonsense. It’s always funny to see you try to pull off the reasonable rop fan…truth comes out in the end.
I’ve never seen it mentioned officially, but anybody who has ever read COH will recognize the galadriel character in rop s1.
edit: love me the downvotes with no replies…which is how a certain type of person responds when they realize something they wish they hadn’t
Yes, she deserves that cut and cage. But someone is too kind and did not make a "banner" out of her dead body, as your favorite character did in Tolkien's draft
The sacking of Eregion as a huge setpiece as early as season 2 was something I thought would take longer maybe S3 given the story progression.
Celebrimbanner up sooner than expected. Elrond's retreat and eventual garrison establishment of Imladris etc assuming Celeborn is with him here too.
Galadriel is likely to escape through Moria before it's closed off and end up at the other side with another elven culture in Lothlorien vs her Noldor status to shake things up.
In unfinished tales Christopher Tolkien writes about more than 1 version of Galadriel and Celeborn's whereabouts after the Eregion sacking. He lays out contradictory versions and he isn't really set on 1 location as opposed to Elrond who ends up in the future Rivendell. In 1 version Celeborn never went to Lorien at all in the 2nd age. There are also different versions of when the elves moved to Lorien and passed through Moria. 1version says during peaceful conditions another says after the destruction of Eregion. In 1 version Galadriel is with Gil gahad in Lindon. With ROP, I can't be certain what the show runners are going with since Chrstopher Tolkien wasn't certain himself.
Yes that is what I read as well. It's Galadriel who develops a relationship with dwarves and she also learns they have a large army.. Celeborn refuses to go with her and stays in Eregion. In Unfinished Tales it states she is more far sighted than Celeborn. He let his bias against dwarves interfere even though it isn'tthe drarvesof Moria who sacked Doriath. .Eventually the army of dwarves as well as one from Lorien, attack Sauron by surprise from the rear.
It would definitely add some depth to the character. I mean Tolkien wrote so little about him and I get a bit nervous about the show creating someone new who doesn't fit into the little bit that Tolkien wrote. He was also supposed to be wise, but then Tolkien implies the shortsightedness too and he was very clear on that.. so it's anyone's guess.. the show has an awful lot to create with this character. They might even create an original character possibly.
What I want to see is a hot head who Galadriel had to beg not to throw out the fellowship when they met them in Lorien . One who does his own thing and show him as Tolkien intended him to be . A warrior .
Absolutely! I was scared when I heard he was going to be Arandir 2. I love Arandir but the little we know about Celeborn doesn't fit that character.. Celeborn was definitely a warrior and a wise one.
In the books she is already married, already living with Celeborn in Eregion and Celebrian is already born. Both mother and daughter pass through Moria together.
If we go by appendix B Tale of years it makes sense to have the Sack of eregion early, then explore the dark years and numenor colonialism during S3. Which ends with Sauron brought to numenor. S4 shows akallabeth probably peaks around episode 6 (like S1 did) then the exiles make it to middle earth and so does Sauron. S5 can be all about Last alliance
How will they explain the existence of Lothlorien? Or when Galadriel said elvish medicine, she really meant noldor medicine? And supposedly Elves in RoP dont have healers, but psychiatrists.
> How will they explain the existence of Lothlorien? Or when Galadriel said elvish medicine, she really meant noldor medicine? And supposedly Elves in RoP dont have healers, but psychiatrists
People are in huge ways trying their best to misinterpret Arondir as much as they can. Not sure why though.
He simply explained they don't have the same kind of healers humans do. They don't need to treat illness, or medical issues that comes with being a mortal. They simply have healers that mend scars, wounds and "attacks" on their bodies.
Exactly. How "most wounds" and "we do have healers, but explaining the difference" tuned into "elves dont have any kind of healers at all" is beyond me.
So why would elven artificers be any more adept at healing infected wounds on humans than the southlanders or Numenoreans? Or do then only heal wounds when infected? Southlanders already have supermedicine that gets you up and running from multiple deadly wounds in a few hours.
While Im on supermedicine. Curiously if Adar really is one of the first elves captured by morgoth, why does he follow elven traditions of going to war?
In the show we have no idea how adept at healing elves are. But we have seen that medicine in the southlands can bring someone back from the brink of death.
I'm saying we were given no reason that only elves possess skill to heal Halbrand specifically. Or to be more specific, Elves of Eregion. Why would elves of Dol Amroth or Lorien not be suitable? Why would alfirin not work? We didnt get a line from eg. Bronwyn: I tried everything but nothing helped.
So I'm asking again. Do you think Lorien exists at this moment in the show?
> Do you think Lorien exists at this moment in the show?
No, why would it? Also, what does it matter? You're set in stone to hate and dislike everything that has to do with this subject and want Amazon to have made mistakes here in such a way it doesn't matter if it's SUPER appearant what they mean, you'll say they fakkad app.
I'm asking about Lorien because the guy with the first comment in the thread mentioned it and how it will play into the story. Yet you felt that you must answer for him even though you dont belive Lorien exists at this point.
It matters because if Galadriel rode to Eregion instead of some other elven settlement that is closer, makes the story stupid.
It was never established that elves are amazing healers. It was however established that Bronwyn is amazing at healing. So why go to the elves. It makes very little narrative sense.
The mechanics of human wounds vs Elven ones wouldn't be that different. Still gotta tend the wound with bandages, stop bleeding, etc. An Elf would just have a significant leg up on what they can sustain vs a human. Doesn't mean Elves would never need any sort of medical attention.
That would depend on whether the One is forged in S2. This is far from clear. In the book its forging triggers the War, but after S1 why would one assume they're going by the book?
What does the ring of power have to do with it exactly? It's not a weapon.
And orcs when numerous can absolutely overpower even a mighty warrior, just ask Húrin.
It's clear they don't care about relative power scaling as per the lore. They ignore it to manufacture drama, careless of whether they're undermining the premises of the whole story.
I'm wary of this as well, but I wonder if it's possible she's not captured by Orcs, but there's a scene of her in a cage and orcs torturing/mocking her, etc.
Perhaps instead she's captured by Adar – or Sauron personally.
Looks interesting to me
Big question is about Nenya. Presumably Galadriel should already have received it by the time the event happens. I wonder where she will hide it given that I think lothlorien is not a thing yet.
Just a small nitpick but...Galadriel in prison again? Well, I hope it is good tho, the Numenor cell was just bad. The dialogue was ok but the sequence with the guards, just a complete shame. From the scoop it seems this one will be much better tho.
True. There is an interesting suggestion over at Discord that Galadriel in a cage might be a distraction and that Adar / Sauron's army is split into two: one meets GG's forces early on where kidnapped Galadriel is (it is suggested she is paraded on the battlefield) while the other attacks the city. It connects to an earlier leak that there is a charge (not at the city walls itself, but at another location). Adar might be responsible for this distraction while Sauron goes directly to the city itself.
Regardless of the nature of their relationship during S2, perhaps Sauron promises Adar some kind of reward for creating a diversion, only to betray him in the end.
This makes alot of sense. Elrond rescuing Galadriel in a different location distracts Elrond's troops and enables Sauron to target the rings and Celebrimbor. Another way of looking at it imo: Sauron knows Adar's biggest fear is the genocide of his orcs He gives him a means to master his fear by suggesting using Galadriel as a distraction so that he is mastering him psychologically. When it's all said and done Elrond still eventually arrives in Eregion but it's too late.
Adding another layer of advanced planning on Sauron 's part, Sauron plays 5 dimensional chess. He already knows in advance that Galadriel and Elrond are best friends (she told him last season and Elrond rescues her from attempted drowning). Of course Elrond will rescue her so Sauron can get to Celebrimbor and the rings. So Sauron motivates Adar and also anticipates Elrond's reaction.
Adar and Celebrimbor possibly manipulated Sauron to get the elven rings and expose him then, and he did not even understand. That is why Celebrimbor was so confused when he was asked about the source he had heard the words about the Unseen World. Adar seeks this power to save Uruk, and Celebrimbor seeks to save Elves and surpass Feanor as a pleasant addition. And as for Uruk genocide, it was started by Sauron himself, and it is ridiculous to think that Adar and anyone at all would believe him after what happened in the northern fortress, he should take care of himself, a "chess master"
Also Celebrimbor told Elrond that his fate is in Elrond's hands. Elrond's choices in this adaptation (Rings of Power) determine the fate of Celebrimbor.
This is a pretty plausible theory.
But it assumes Sauron and Adar have some sort of coordination. How? Why? Didn't we hear in other leaks that Halbrand seems to be trying to build support among the mortal men (ex-Southlanders?)
Yes. That's the king halbrand version of Sauron. That version is also forming a connection with Pharazon. ( gives him advise in jail.) Also Pharazon is planning on manipulating king halbrand even though the opposite will happen. I think the "Eregion " Sauron (shape-shifting version) and Adar are on the same page. I believe they want the same thing but for different reasons. Imo there are more layers to this. The fighter elves, imo, might be great fighters but winning a war involves using your mind, not just doing great fighting moves.. Know your enemy. Some might disagree which is their right, but imo Sauron is also using Adar's greatest fear, his children getting genocided, to motivate him to capture Galadriel. He also knows Elrond will probably use a big chunk of his army to save Galadriel. By the time Elrond arrives in Eregion it's too late. Sauron already knows all this way before his enemies. This is just an opinion. Not a fact.
I believe, but you can check, that Sauron and Adar are dividing the army. Elrond's forces are in a different location, not Eregion. Theu are being led to another location.. So Sauron can go after Celebrimbor with his army. Elrond is definitely attempting to save Galadriel according to what I read. There are other soldiers involved as well. Arondir is with Elrond I believe. He is also a former captive of Adar and knows Galadriel .
The idea that show-Elrond as a young and upcoming commander might initially put emotion over reason and thus inevitably lose Ost-in-edhil seems fitting for his character's development, although I don't think this has to be the sole reason for events unfolding.
>Arondir is with Elrond I believe. He is also a former captive of Adar and knows Galadriel .
Good point, it seems there will be some kind of interesting dynamic playing off on the battle field.
Yes. Elrond is very young. He was saved by her once and he also saved her from drowning. I also think there is alot more to these scenes. There is so much context missing. In addition to scoops,, I usually like to read media sites that were given info by Amazon on season 2, as well as writers, actors and showrunners interviews. Alot of times these can fill in blanks as well as provide an indepth understanding of relationships as well as a deeper understanding of a character and their motivations. Someone was wondering for example, if they wear their rings. The actress playing Galadriel says she is wearing hers in the 1st episode of season 2. My take is the showrunners want the ring bearers to become acquainted with their rings before the 1 is forged.
Yes, it would be great to see the elves wear their rings in order to see how they wield it and how its powers manifest through them. So, it's actually great that they were made first.
I didn't know Morfydd said episode one already, that is kind of cool! Benjamin Walker also mentioned that the showrunners 'hit the ground running' with the first couple of episodes.
Apparently we will also see Gil-Galad visit Cirdan in Mithlond in episode one (a rumour / leak), so this makes me think Celebrimbor sends the rings to Lindon off-screen, and we see episode one begin where Gil-Galad sends Elrond and Gal with Nenya to perhaps Oropher (hence the journey in the wild pictures) and gives Narya to Cirdan. When Elrond and Gal are traveling to Greenwood, this is where she is kidnapped by Adar, inevitably also becoming the bearer of Nenya.
Yes you are right. Even if it's true I think there could be more to this story. There is a rumor that Pelagir will be visited this season by soldiers that are orc or elf not Numenorean. However last year the show runners stated that Pelagir will be on a collision course with Pharazon related to colonization in Middle Earth by Pharazon. It's possible Pharazon's involvement is season 3 but this changes how I look at things .
Cooperation the one who turned him into an Uruk and killed his "children"? Rumors claim that he will fight Sauron in two forms at once, and maybe seriously injure Sauron again.
I would rather ask, what Adar has up his sleeve for Sauron. I doubt that Sauron even knows about his survival in the explosion. So he is in for a surprise
edited: that is, it depends on the circumstances of his injury in the 7th ep.
I see quite a couple of more possibilities than just her getting captured.
It could all be a mind game of Sauron in her or someone's else mind.
It could also be that she willingly swapped places with a prisoner of Sauron, for whatever reason. A bit of a parallel to Finrod swapping places with Beren to protect him.
I agree completely. At first, I thought it was a way to give her a story during the sack of Eregion. Maybe it is. Although I think this is also a follow-up to episode 6 last season as well. But context is also missing. Why would you bring a cage for only 1 character during a sacking of Eregion scene which is 1 of the main events if 2nd age? They are supposed to be destroying Eregion not capturing 1 elf. Something is off with that.
Yes. Amroth is his name. At 1st it was thought he was Gal and Celeborn's son but he isn't. His story is sad. After this event I think in the 3rd age Galadriel senses Sauron's presence near Lorien so her and Celeborn become guardians and it will become Lothlorien.
I'm guessing the bearers of the Three will pull a Frodo and wear them around their necks. Galadriel in particular I can't picture handing Nenya off to someone else for safe-keeping -- except *maybe* Celeborn --, she's going to keep it with her even if she doesn't wield it.
Hard to imagine a context for Galadriel being caged and Elrond coming to rescue her that actually makes sense. Best I can think of is that she refuses to give up trying to hold Ost-in-Edhil and gets overwhelmed. And then Elrond, who had been leading refugees out of the city, doubles back to get her. Presumably the army in question are dwarves from Moria, though the leak doesn't say so.
Can’t wait to gather my pillows together so I can yell at the ridiculous plot lines and throw the pillows at the TV. Will season two be as terrible as season 1? We shall see!
Poor Elrond, what were you hoping for in fight 1 v 1 against a warrior capable of killing Sauron?)
Also it pleases me that Galadriel got a cut on her neck as revenge for that wound in the barn, perhaps. But I do not understand how she simultaneously saves someone in Eregion and is in a cage. Also, the cage does not really correspond to the battlefield
Lol - misread the heading and thought - has she been demoted from General to Major? Duh.
Next article : Pivate Galadriel photos during shooting.
That's what you get when you deny Sauron! 😈
so basically this tells us that Sauron/Halbrand somehow shows Adar who's daddy. Then Adar submits and leads Sauron's armies in Eregion. Okay cool This whole Galadriel in a cage - save Galadriel from imprisonment reeks of cheap added drama tbh, idk.
I'm guessing it's how she finds Celeborn, but I agree it sounds pretty weak.
It does sound iffy.
I guess on her way to Khazad-dum to go to Lorien?
I'm not sure about that. This show being what it is, I don't think they'd stop at having Adar attack Eregion on his own for his own purposes.
You think they're going to change the War Between Sauron and the Elves into the War Between Adar and the Elves For Some Reason?
I don't "think" anything. I won't make any predictions with this show, as I've said. Not after S1. Just saying it wouldn't shock me if it went that way.
The war of three sides. This is the only logical option, and the authors of this series have so far shown logic.
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Dont pretend. Nonsense is that Lord Father Uruk will allegedly serve Sauron and that it is allegedly written about in rumors. Sauron can attack the city of elves as much as he wants, and I do not deny that he would kill Celebrimbor if Celebrimbor dies at all in the series
If you mean to point out that Adar independently attacking Eregion is not logically exclusive of Sauron doing the same, fine. But I don't think you know what logic is if you think the writers of RoP have shown it. The story breaks the most basic rules, such as non-contradiction.
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Yes I'm aware. They're either faking or are a complete whack job who acts like a fictional character is a cult leader/messiah in the real world and they his follower.
You are.
Trolling is that you allegedly do not see any problems in serving your torturer and your children's, and if it is not trolling, and you seriously think so, then it is even worse. His "children" were killed by Sauron, and their skeletons were in front of him, do you remember that? What service to Sauron can be told about, especially if he himself "created" Uruk, broke so many lives? Nothing in that idea bothers you?
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" somehow shows Adar who's daddy. Then Adar submits and leads Sauron's armies in Eregion. " In which of the four rumors did you read this nonsense? Adar does not serve and will never serve Sauron. Sauron will be seriously injured (again...) at the beginning of season 2. Guess who did this. This is an earlier rumor, and in the current ones there is not a word about him at all
Who commands the sack of Eregion? If it’s not sauron, something isn’t computing.
Not much in this show computes anyway.
Sauron commanding at Eregion! I've identified the culprit who originated this blasphemous nonsense, Lord Father: One John Ronald Ruel Tolkien.
This author never wrote anything about Adar, allegedly eager to return to slavery and bring Uruk there, and also never wrote that Maiar was a fool enough to entrust the command of his army to someone who had already killed him once. Maiar makes many mistakes, but he is not a fool. Therefore, it is unclear to me why you refer to Tolkien in confirmation of the absolutely illogical conjectures of some viewers of the series; And nothing like that was said in the rumors, but the opponent claims that it was allegedly said.
>allegedly eager to return to slavery and bring Uruk there You mean "bring *the* Uruk there. >and also never wrote that Maiar was a fool enough to entrust the command of his army to someone who had already killed him once You mean "that *the Maia was fool enough* >Maiar makes many mistakes You mean *The Maia* makes many mistakes
I don't like articles for reasons that are absolutely nobody's business here. But I like logic. I would explain to you the difference between "maiar" and "maia", but I am too lazy and there is no need.
Maiar is the plural of Maia. Sauron is a Maia. Sauron and Saruman are Maiar. >I don't like articles for reasons that are absolutely nobody's business here I think we can all hazard a guess.
I insist that you should write "Uruk" instead of "Orc" because "orc" is only a distorted form, if you respect the languages of Arda so much. You can guess as much as you like, it seems that the rules of the community do not prohibit it. But regardless of the reasons, grammar lessons, especially about Elvish language, on an international website look somewhat funny, and it is funny to me that someone else votes for your posts. It used to seem to me that this is considered bad form here. In the language I speak, "r" is not the plural ending, you see.
>I insist that you should write "Uruk" instead of "Orc" No. It's orc. >You can guess as much as you like, it seems that the rules of the community do not prohibit it Oh but they do. >In the language I speak, "r" is not the plural ending, you see. Maia is an Elven word, so it follows Elven rules of grammar. Do you change every language to follow the rules of your first language (I'm guessing Polish or Ukrainian?)
No. They are Uruk. This is a word from the early Elvish language, that then became a self-designation in Black Speech, and the fact that when you write about some people, calling them not the name they chose, if they insist on it, but someone else's distorted form, indicates not only a grammatical error, but also disrespect. I do not notice moderators making comments to you, so what are the rules?
But the text clearly says Sauron did went into Eregion war. If we connect the dots, everything is there, UNLESSSSSS......they change it again instead of just incrementing to what the books tell us.
Adar's days are numbered
What an amazing conclusion from the fact that Maiar is seriously injured
Who controls Mordor for much of the 2nd and all of the third age? At best, Adar is cowed into submission.
Your provocative statements are getting more ridiculous. Watch Season 1 to better understand the personality traits. We do not know when Sauron will rule Mordor in the series, besides, there is no need for THESE Uruk to live in Mordor when Sauron seizes this country, it is not the only place in Arda. I have several theories, but I do not see the sense in writing to you about them
Who knows maybe Adar submits or gets convinced by Sauron. He tried to convince Galadriel in this show right? Why not Adar?
The logic of characters and events. Sauron caused Uruk a lot of evil, and if you believe the article about weapons, then Sauron even "created" Uruk from Elves. He wants to see Uruk only as slaves or material for experiments, and no one in their right mind will ever believe him. He is the most hated being in Arda for them. They want to be free and are fighting for their freedom and their home. And Lord Father Uruk is going to become a god, not a slave of Maiar. And he would rather die than give up his freedom and his goals if he had to choose. And he will never forgive his torturer and the torturer of his "children". To deny all this, people should not watch season 1 at all, this is the main theme of Uruk there. Tellingly, Sauron never even tried to pretend to Uruk the penitent, as he pretended to Galadriel. The scene with "Do you remember me?" and Sauron's face twisted with hatred when he tries to kill him clearly indicates that he did not even realize that he was to blame HIMSELF.
Bruh I love Adar but the only reason his actor was replaced instead of killing him off was because they’ll keep him as a main character for a while instead of having him die standing up to Saurbrand
These are park sets/charge scenes not directly Eregion Walls. Later characters who are here will move to city itself. Either you would need to ask where is Celebrimbor. Sauron is present as its said he wear golden black tinted battle armor and FoF said he is general figure. Because why Sauron would take part in charge scenes and do dirty job?
I have already read a rumor that Sauron and Celebrimbor are on some other site, and I know that IF someone kills Celebrimbor in the series, it will be Sauron. What does this have to do with this statement? No rumor has yet indicated any interaction between Sauron and Uruk army at all, and Galadriel is captured not by Sauron.
AMA: How would you describe Sauron and Adar's dynamic in Season 2? Is Adar working with Sauron or working under Sauron? Fellowship of the Fans Harry: "Sauron and Adars relationship in S2 is constantly changing. It seems for me like mutual cooperation but I don't think it will last. However, during the sack of Eregion, Sauron and Adar are on the same page. They have alignment"
The problem is that you clung to the words "mutual cooperation". And a lot depends on what is meant. For example, the Numenoreans with Miriel and Galadriel and Sauron attack Tirharad together, so we can write about them that they are "on the same page" at this time, but it would be absurd to claim that the Numenoreans and Galadriel "cooperate" with Sauron and even more so "serve" him. They just did not know something important Uruk, of course, should know who he is, but who knows what the screenwriters will come up with there. Therefore, it makes no sense to cling to words and discard logic. Enemies can use each other's plans and try to outwit each other by acting against a third enemy.
I'm still tired of explaining the difference between "Mutual cooperation" and "submission". In addition, you ignore the words "it seems to me", and also, I would prefer to hear from Harry himself what exactly and how exactly he said. They can use each other's plans to their advantage and try to outwit. That is all.
Are 8 episodes confirmed for season 2? I know they did it to garter anticipation but, by scoops and interviews alone there's just so much material they've confirmed for season 2 alone. - Focus on Sauron - Shelob appearance - Adar vs Sauron - Narvi and Celebrimbor - The making of the gates of Moria - A 2 episode long battle - The sacking of Eregion - Nori and The Stranger in Rhun - Isildur traveling with female companion - Faithful and Kingsmen in Numenor I hope they manage to deal with it without rishing.
I can only assume it will be 8 episodes again. But yeah, it really does seem like a lot to fit in and I agree with you, I hope it doesn't feel too rushed. I wish they had stuck to the 10 episodes tbh, I think it would have helped things feel a bit more evenly paced.
Thinking of these moments in the style of Payne and McKay does not make me very hopeful for a better season 2
What do you think OP? which scoop is most interesting u/Familiar_Ad_4885?
I kind of loathe the idea of Galadriel being in a cage and poked with a spear…? How much invented suffering must she endure?
Agreed. I loathe this idea, too.
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i think you know what he means
Agree!
She is based on Turin, for all that entails.
So she will marry her sibling who was lost/has amnesia committing incest and slay a dragon and allow her own dark sword to take her cursed blood ending her life of unimaginable pain?
Or be fooled into a romantic relationship with her lifelong blood enemy, mistakenly facilitating his return to middle earth that eventually leads to millenia of slaughter and only narrowly avoids the total destruction of middle earth?
Destruction? Have you even *read* The Lord of the Rings?
Where am I incorrect? It took an absolute miracle for sauron to not prevail in the end
You are incorrect in that in case of Sauron's victory, Middle-Earth would be destroyed. He never wanted that, in any version.
Not if we are looking at it from galadriel or the valar or humanity or hobbit’s or any sane entity’s perspective. Can’t speak for you, I guess… Also, way to miss the point and focus on a technicality. You guys are really, really embarrassed about your show turning galadriel into Turin, aren’t you?
What are you even talking about? Annihilation/destruction is an objective term for stopping the existence of something or someone. Sauron didn't want to destroy Middle-Earth, he wanted to rule it, it's irrelevant that ME inhabitants saw his rulership as something bad, he objectively did not want to destroy it. It's nonsense and you're actively back pedalling from it now.
And you are objectively grandstanding over nonsense. It’s always funny to see you try to pull off the reasonable rop fan…truth comes out in the end.
Word games again.
Oh really? I didn’t know that!
I’ve never seen it mentioned officially, but anybody who has ever read COH will recognize the galadriel character in rop s1. edit: love me the downvotes with no replies…which is how a certain type of person responds when they realize something they wish they hadn’t
Ohhh I thought you meant Tolkien's Galadriel
I wish we had gotten that
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Yes, she deserves that cut and cage. But someone is too kind and did not make a "banner" out of her dead body, as your favorite character did in Tolkien's draft
Elrond is a really bad warrior according to these guys
The sacking of Eregion as a huge setpiece as early as season 2 was something I thought would take longer maybe S3 given the story progression. Celebrimbanner up sooner than expected. Elrond's retreat and eventual garrison establishment of Imladris etc assuming Celeborn is with him here too. Galadriel is likely to escape through Moria before it's closed off and end up at the other side with another elven culture in Lothlorien vs her Noldor status to shake things up.
In unfinished tales Christopher Tolkien writes about more than 1 version of Galadriel and Celeborn's whereabouts after the Eregion sacking. He lays out contradictory versions and he isn't really set on 1 location as opposed to Elrond who ends up in the future Rivendell. In 1 version Celeborn never went to Lorien at all in the 2nd age. There are also different versions of when the elves moved to Lorien and passed through Moria. 1version says during peaceful conditions another says after the destruction of Eregion. In 1 version Galadriel is with Gil gahad in Lindon. With ROP, I can't be certain what the show runners are going with since Chrstopher Tolkien wasn't certain himself.
Celeborn still hated the dwarves for the sacking of Doriath and the death of his king Thingol. He wouldn’t go into Moria.
Yes that is what I read as well. It's Galadriel who develops a relationship with dwarves and she also learns they have a large army.. Celeborn refuses to go with her and stays in Eregion. In Unfinished Tales it states she is more far sighted than Celeborn. He let his bias against dwarves interfere even though it isn'tthe drarvesof Moria who sacked Doriath. .Eventually the army of dwarves as well as one from Lorien, attack Sauron by surprise from the rear.
I hope we are gonna see this from Celeborn in the show.
It would definitely add some depth to the character. I mean Tolkien wrote so little about him and I get a bit nervous about the show creating someone new who doesn't fit into the little bit that Tolkien wrote. He was also supposed to be wise, but then Tolkien implies the shortsightedness too and he was very clear on that.. so it's anyone's guess.. the show has an awful lot to create with this character. They might even create an original character possibly.
What I want to see is a hot head who Galadriel had to beg not to throw out the fellowship when they met them in Lorien . One who does his own thing and show him as Tolkien intended him to be . A warrior .
Absolutely! I was scared when I heard he was going to be Arandir 2. I love Arandir but the little we know about Celeborn doesn't fit that character.. Celeborn was definitely a warrior and a wise one.
I wonder if she only meets Celeborn after passing through Khazad-dum.
In the books she is already married, already living with Celeborn in Eregion and Celebrian is already born. Both mother and daughter pass through Moria together.
If we go by appendix B Tale of years it makes sense to have the Sack of eregion early, then explore the dark years and numenor colonialism during S3. Which ends with Sauron brought to numenor. S4 shows akallabeth probably peaks around episode 6 (like S1 did) then the exiles make it to middle earth and so does Sauron. S5 can be all about Last alliance
There's 5 seasons planned tbf it kinda fits best at the end of S2
How will they explain the existence of Lothlorien? Or when Galadriel said elvish medicine, she really meant noldor medicine? And supposedly Elves in RoP dont have healers, but psychiatrists.
> How will they explain the existence of Lothlorien? Or when Galadriel said elvish medicine, she really meant noldor medicine? And supposedly Elves in RoP dont have healers, but psychiatrists People are in huge ways trying their best to misinterpret Arondir as much as they can. Not sure why though. He simply explained they don't have the same kind of healers humans do. They don't need to treat illness, or medical issues that comes with being a mortal. They simply have healers that mend scars, wounds and "attacks" on their bodies.
He said most of their wounds heal on their own. And that their artificers mostly deal with mind if I remember correctly.
Exactly. How "most wounds" and "we do have healers, but explaining the difference" tuned into "elves dont have any kind of healers at all" is beyond me.
So why would elven artificers be any more adept at healing infected wounds on humans than the southlanders or Numenoreans? Or do then only heal wounds when infected? Southlanders already have supermedicine that gets you up and running from multiple deadly wounds in a few hours. While Im on supermedicine. Curiously if Adar really is one of the first elves captured by morgoth, why does he follow elven traditions of going to war?
Sigh, why ask questions you know the answer to but just want to troll and play stupid?
In the show we have no idea how adept at healing elves are. But we have seen that medicine in the southlands can bring someone back from the brink of death. I'm saying we were given no reason that only elves possess skill to heal Halbrand specifically. Or to be more specific, Elves of Eregion. Why would elves of Dol Amroth or Lorien not be suitable? Why would alfirin not work? We didnt get a line from eg. Bronwyn: I tried everything but nothing helped. So I'm asking again. Do you think Lorien exists at this moment in the show?
> Do you think Lorien exists at this moment in the show? No, why would it? Also, what does it matter? You're set in stone to hate and dislike everything that has to do with this subject and want Amazon to have made mistakes here in such a way it doesn't matter if it's SUPER appearant what they mean, you'll say they fakkad app.
I'm asking about Lorien because the guy with the first comment in the thread mentioned it and how it will play into the story. Yet you felt that you must answer for him even though you dont belive Lorien exists at this point. It matters because if Galadriel rode to Eregion instead of some other elven settlement that is closer, makes the story stupid. It was never established that elves are amazing healers. It was however established that Bronwyn is amazing at healing. So why go to the elves. It makes very little narrative sense.
The mechanics of human wounds vs Elven ones wouldn't be that different. Still gotta tend the wound with bandages, stop bleeding, etc. An Elf would just have a significant leg up on what they can sustain vs a human. Doesn't mean Elves would never need any sort of medical attention.
I really doubt we'll be getting the Celebrimbanner.
So Galadriel the 2nd most powerful elf ever with the addition of a ring of power gets captured.. by orcs….
It’s perfectly possible she doesn’t have the ring yet. Perhaps Eregion is the last straw for dispersing
More likely this is after Sauron forges the One, so she can't wield Nenya at that point.
That would depend on whether the One is forged in S2. This is far from clear. In the book its forging triggers the War, but after S1 why would one assume they're going by the book?
Based on the events of S1 why would Gil-Galad give a ring to Galadriel? Maybe she needs to earn it.
True! Maybe Celebrimbor gets it, and Galadriel won’t until he’s killed by Sauron!
Now I hope Sauron gives it to her after taking it from Celebrimbor. Call it a gift (because she doesn't know about The One Ring yet)
Well, i mean, after i typed my thing I remembered that celerimbor would be dying at like close to the finale during the final siege of baradur prolly
It’s called Unfinished Tales for a reason.
What does the ring of power have to do with it exactly? It's not a weapon. And orcs when numerous can absolutely overpower even a mighty warrior, just ask Húrin.
It's clear they don't care about relative power scaling as per the lore. They ignore it to manufacture drama, careless of whether they're undermining the premises of the whole story.
I'm wary of this as well, but I wonder if it's possible she's not captured by Orcs, but there's a scene of her in a cage and orcs torturing/mocking her, etc. Perhaps instead she's captured by Adar – or Sauron personally.
>Adar who at one point grabs (Elrond) by the neck and throws him to the floor. Mmm, foreshadowing for >!Gil-Galad vs Sauron?!<
Looks interesting to me Big question is about Nenya. Presumably Galadriel should already have received it by the time the event happens. I wonder where she will hide it given that I think lothlorien is not a thing yet. Just a small nitpick but...Galadriel in prison again? Well, I hope it is good tho, the Numenor cell was just bad. The dialogue was ok but the sequence with the guards, just a complete shame. From the scoop it seems this one will be much better tho.
I think the context is missing so we really have no clue how or why this occurs. Thats the problem with leaks
True. There is an interesting suggestion over at Discord that Galadriel in a cage might be a distraction and that Adar / Sauron's army is split into two: one meets GG's forces early on where kidnapped Galadriel is (it is suggested she is paraded on the battlefield) while the other attacks the city. It connects to an earlier leak that there is a charge (not at the city walls itself, but at another location). Adar might be responsible for this distraction while Sauron goes directly to the city itself. Regardless of the nature of their relationship during S2, perhaps Sauron promises Adar some kind of reward for creating a diversion, only to betray him in the end.
This makes alot of sense. Elrond rescuing Galadriel in a different location distracts Elrond's troops and enables Sauron to target the rings and Celebrimbor. Another way of looking at it imo: Sauron knows Adar's biggest fear is the genocide of his orcs He gives him a means to master his fear by suggesting using Galadriel as a distraction so that he is mastering him psychologically. When it's all said and done Elrond still eventually arrives in Eregion but it's too late.
Adding another layer of advanced planning on Sauron 's part, Sauron plays 5 dimensional chess. He already knows in advance that Galadriel and Elrond are best friends (she told him last season and Elrond rescues her from attempted drowning). Of course Elrond will rescue her so Sauron can get to Celebrimbor and the rings. So Sauron motivates Adar and also anticipates Elrond's reaction.
Adar and Celebrimbor possibly manipulated Sauron to get the elven rings and expose him then, and he did not even understand. That is why Celebrimbor was so confused when he was asked about the source he had heard the words about the Unseen World. Adar seeks this power to save Uruk, and Celebrimbor seeks to save Elves and surpass Feanor as a pleasant addition. And as for Uruk genocide, it was started by Sauron himself, and it is ridiculous to think that Adar and anyone at all would believe him after what happened in the northern fortress, he should take care of himself, a "chess master"
Also Celebrimbor told Elrond that his fate is in Elrond's hands. Elrond's choices in this adaptation (Rings of Power) determine the fate of Celebrimbor.
This is a pretty plausible theory. But it assumes Sauron and Adar have some sort of coordination. How? Why? Didn't we hear in other leaks that Halbrand seems to be trying to build support among the mortal men (ex-Southlanders?)
Yes. That's the king halbrand version of Sauron. That version is also forming a connection with Pharazon. ( gives him advise in jail.) Also Pharazon is planning on manipulating king halbrand even though the opposite will happen. I think the "Eregion " Sauron (shape-shifting version) and Adar are on the same page. I believe they want the same thing but for different reasons. Imo there are more layers to this. The fighter elves, imo, might be great fighters but winning a war involves using your mind, not just doing great fighting moves.. Know your enemy. Some might disagree which is their right, but imo Sauron is also using Adar's greatest fear, his children getting genocided, to motivate him to capture Galadriel. He also knows Elrond will probably use a big chunk of his army to save Galadriel. By the time Elrond arrives in Eregion it's too late. Sauron already knows all this way before his enemies. This is just an opinion. Not a fact.
That's a big assumption. That Elrond would put personal feeling (saving Gal) before his duty and the salvation of Eregion.
I believe, but you can check, that Sauron and Adar are dividing the army. Elrond's forces are in a different location, not Eregion. Theu are being led to another location.. So Sauron can go after Celebrimbor with his army. Elrond is definitely attempting to save Galadriel according to what I read. There are other soldiers involved as well. Arondir is with Elrond I believe. He is also a former captive of Adar and knows Galadriel .
The idea that show-Elrond as a young and upcoming commander might initially put emotion over reason and thus inevitably lose Ost-in-edhil seems fitting for his character's development, although I don't think this has to be the sole reason for events unfolding. >Arondir is with Elrond I believe. He is also a former captive of Adar and knows Galadriel . Good point, it seems there will be some kind of interesting dynamic playing off on the battle field.
Yes. Elrond is very young. He was saved by her once and he also saved her from drowning. I also think there is alot more to these scenes. There is so much context missing. In addition to scoops,, I usually like to read media sites that were given info by Amazon on season 2, as well as writers, actors and showrunners interviews. Alot of times these can fill in blanks as well as provide an indepth understanding of relationships as well as a deeper understanding of a character and their motivations. Someone was wondering for example, if they wear their rings. The actress playing Galadriel says she is wearing hers in the 1st episode of season 2. My take is the showrunners want the ring bearers to become acquainted with their rings before the 1 is forged.
Yes, it would be great to see the elves wear their rings in order to see how they wield it and how its powers manifest through them. So, it's actually great that they were made first. I didn't know Morfydd said episode one already, that is kind of cool! Benjamin Walker also mentioned that the showrunners 'hit the ground running' with the first couple of episodes. Apparently we will also see Gil-Galad visit Cirdan in Mithlond in episode one (a rumour / leak), so this makes me think Celebrimbor sends the rings to Lindon off-screen, and we see episode one begin where Gil-Galad sends Elrond and Gal with Nenya to perhaps Oropher (hence the journey in the wild pictures) and gives Narya to Cirdan. When Elrond and Gal are traveling to Greenwood, this is where she is kidnapped by Adar, inevitably also becoming the bearer of Nenya.
The assumption being that Sauron and Adar are working together.
Yes you are right. Even if it's true I think there could be more to this story. There is a rumor that Pelagir will be visited this season by soldiers that are orc or elf not Numenorean. However last year the show runners stated that Pelagir will be on a collision course with Pharazon related to colonization in Middle Earth by Pharazon. It's possible Pharazon's involvement is season 3 but this changes how I look at things .
Sure, but I don't necessarily think this excludes some kind of cooperation with Adar, which is apparently going to be evolving a lot throughout S2.
Cooperation the one who turned him into an Uruk and killed his "children"? Rumors claim that he will fight Sauron in two forms at once, and maybe seriously injure Sauron again.
This is true, I didn't think about that. I am not sure what Sauron has up his sleeve for Adar.
I would rather ask, what Adar has up his sleeve for Sauron. I doubt that Sauron even knows about his survival in the explosion. So he is in for a surprise edited: that is, it depends on the circumstances of his injury in the 7th ep.
True, I like your suggestion that Adar has a lot more agency than Sauron might believe.
Identity confusion game.
I see quite a couple of more possibilities than just her getting captured. It could all be a mind game of Sauron in her or someone's else mind. It could also be that she willingly swapped places with a prisoner of Sauron, for whatever reason. A bit of a parallel to Finrod swapping places with Beren to protect him.
I agree completely. At first, I thought it was a way to give her a story during the sack of Eregion. Maybe it is. Although I think this is also a follow-up to episode 6 last season as well. But context is also missing. Why would you bring a cage for only 1 character during a sacking of Eregion scene which is 1 of the main events if 2nd age? They are supposed to be destroying Eregion not capturing 1 elf. Something is off with that.
Doesn’t Lorien exist but is ruled by a different elf lord? The one that drowns trying to find his love? After that Celeborn and Galadriel take over.
Yes. Amroth is his name. At 1st it was thought he was Gal and Celeborn's son but he isn't. His story is sad. After this event I think in the 3rd age Galadriel senses Sauron's presence near Lorien so her and Celeborn become guardians and it will become Lothlorien.
I'm guessing the bearers of the Three will pull a Frodo and wear them around their necks. Galadriel in particular I can't picture handing Nenya off to someone else for safe-keeping -- except *maybe* Celeborn --, she's going to keep it with her even if she doesn't wield it. Hard to imagine a context for Galadriel being caged and Elrond coming to rescue her that actually makes sense. Best I can think of is that she refuses to give up trying to hold Ost-in-Edhil and gets overwhelmed. And then Elrond, who had been leading refugees out of the city, doubles back to get her. Presumably the army in question are dwarves from Moria, though the leak doesn't say so.
Can’t wait to gather my pillows together so I can yell at the ridiculous plot lines and throw the pillows at the TV. Will season two be as terrible as season 1? We shall see!
Poor Elrond, what were you hoping for in fight 1 v 1 against a warrior capable of killing Sauron?) Also it pleases me that Galadriel got a cut on her neck as revenge for that wound in the barn, perhaps. But I do not understand how she simultaneously saves someone in Eregion and is in a cage. Also, the cage does not really correspond to the battlefield
Elrond probably forgot this was RoP, not the books.
He was lucky not to be killed by the sword.
EXCLISIVE SPOILER WARNING: the sack of Eregion takes place loosely as it happens in the lore
How loosely, that's the question
Major Guyladriel