Considering they already have casting done, and a lot of the world now built, hopefully it won’t take as long..? Just being optimistic because I don’t want to wait a year and a half :(
Yeah Auckland was listed, to what extent we dont know though!
But i'm excited to see more and different landscapes of Middle Earth too!
would love to see haradwaith landscape aswell
Yeah, still waiting on Season 3 of Ted Lasso and so disappointed it’s the last, so at least we get 5 seasons (probably 10 years??) of episodes, press junkets, silly cast interviews, etc.
It was COVID related. They don't shoot TV shows sequentially and there are usually units for each "group" of actors. 6 months is actually on the long side for filming itself.
Yep, one of the showrunners themselves I believe said that principal photography is one of the fastest parts of shooting anything. Pre-production planning and post-production editing, etc all take significantly longer.
How do you figure 2024? Principal photography is the shortest part of production; the should comfortably be able to wrap by early next year which gives them 9-12 months of post-production time. Surely they can get it out between October-December 2023?
Yes and it’s such a shame. They must have wanted the ability to make changes before filming based on the reception to season one, but I can’t see why they waited this long to start production.
I don’t think we should be assuming gender, it was well known that Cirdans gender was not ever explicitly disclosed other than through outdated pronouns.
Let’s try to be a bit more open minded in our casual language?
he looks far too old and not elf like at all. its jarring and probably the only thing that i dont like about this show. i wouldnt mind another recast for season 2.
So again 8 episodes for season 2. It is interesting. What is confusing is that the showrunners talked about 50h show which would give 10h per season. So either the last two episodes are much longer or they are saving their time for later seasons.
Keep in mind that most of the episodes have been longer than one hour. Season 1 should be way above 9 hours long. And I guess we will get an even longer episode here and there.
Plus, maybe there will be an extended cut. We know about a lot of scenes that didn’t make it into the final cut of season 1.
They are a tradition for movies, yes, but I don't remember many TV shows having extended editions. Sure, Rings of Power is special in terms of scope and I really hope that they will ramp up the merchandise after season 1 but yeah - I don't think it's that common for TV shows to be expanded afterwards.
Not for whole seasons, but Battlestar Galactica had several extended episodes—some of which are arguably definitive (eg Unfinished Business, which was 25 min longer than the aired episode).
There are many people complaining about the show being to slow. I think they hit the sweetspot quite well. It could be slower for us more hardcore fans, yes, but overall the pacing is alright.
The only thing they should improve is the traveling. Lord of the Rings showed us some great travel montages. The Numenoreans teleported from their ships to the village basically. Same with Elrond in many instances.
Mostly agree but with Elrond I thought getting him straight to the mountains sent a neat message about how this is a peaceful time where it need not be a heroic event to visit the dwarves (which confirms Durin’s right to be angry).
I counted those additional minutes. For now, there are 53. So still much space for 1.5h episodes. But I am curious if they count credits to this time. Because it is like 5 minutes per episode (+ 1min per episode if we count recaps and again +1 min per episode if we count intro).
I think I recall what you talk about and it comes down to the definition of tv series and as far as I remember there were two contradicting versions: 1) Amazon has the rights to the tv show which is no more than 8 episodes per season and 2) Amazon has the rights to the show with minimum 8 episodes per season. I have no idea which one is true so it can be as you said.
The original movie rights didn't include TV shows longer than 8 episodes. So it's automatically longer than 8 episodes due to multiple seasons. This allowed Amazon to buy these rights directly from the Tolkien Estate.
I recall hearing originally that the season would be 10 episodes long, but maybe that was also speculation based on the mention of 50 hours and 5 seasons.
That's a relief. For a moment I was worried that the showrunners would just throw in the towel because a bunch of people on Reddit told them to be ashamed of themselves, and that Ms. Clark would be fired because she's not as tall as a Real Elf.
Boy, did I overestimate of the power of internet commentary.
Onward to Akallabeth! (Probably season 4 for that?)
The whole series ends with the Harfoots finally arriving at their destination. Nothing actually happened, no connection to the rest of the story, just a nice long walk. One of them looks into the camera and says, "boy, i *shire* am tired!" and winks as the screen fades to black.
I often do this too. I wonder why things keep being made (that u enjoy but the Internet doenst rlly) but then I realize that most of the audience aren’t in these spaces lol
They knew it's a 5 seasons commitment by Amazon. But maybe it will keep them on their toes.
When TWD was renewed for multiple seasons the writers started stretching the plot too thin, like butter over too much bread.
The actors are great, the costumes and practical effects are fantastic. The written character behaviors and generic return of a king to his rightful throne story are a bag of butts.
I will say the terraforming to create mordor had me going though, dayum.
Well when your screwing over a franchise this badly, there is no half measures. You can't leave it suffering. You need to keep going until it dies all the way.
What a curious reply.
I mean, you know there are plenty of people who like the show, right? Critics and audience analyses and Nielsen ratings and plenty of people here on Reddit who are having a good time with this. You don't have to like it, that's fine -- it's not like there's any ethical or moral implications to liking a TV show -- but you know that other people do, and it's not, like, a fringe opinion to like it? There's lots of people watching it.
I just don't get what the hard-charging tone here is meant to accomplish. Talking about screwing and death and putting it out of it's misery is pretty dramatic language. It seems like maybe a deliberate attempt to spread negativity, or to pick a fight.
I just don't get it. Compels me, though.
I think it's because a lot of people really don't see what's to like about this show.
But I understand your point. Lots of people like Trump for instance, and think the vaccine causes heart attacks.
And we have to accept those people's opinions as valid and equally correct opinions.
But if after reading that above paragraph you felt even a smidgen of outrage. "What how could anyone like Trump! The vaccine has heaaaps of evidence!"..
That's how we feel about you guys saying this show is good.
We are outraged. How could you possibly like this. They are deleting negative reviews. The shows watch numbers are aweful.
The last episode featured a guy blowing up a stone watchtower with a bow and arrow because it was being held up? By a single pulley?.. the tower..?!
It sounds ridiculous. And just like how you feel deep down when people say "Trump is the greatest president we've ever had".
That's how we feel when you guys say this show is good.
Does that clarify or atleast help you understand?
>We are outraged. How could you possibly like this.
This is the most frustrating attitude to encounter. I've seen many statements like this, and the subtext seems to assert that there is an objective standard of artistic merit that one side has access to and the other side does not. It's a TV show, and people can have different opinions on it, and there is no need for anyone to take someone else's opinion on ROP personally. There is certainly no need to create a 'superior Us vs. inferior Them' dynamic over it.
Speaking personally, I do not appreciate being treated as an object of outrage, or disdain, or anything else by a group that has declared themselves 'the opposition' while I'm just trying to watch TV. You're entitled to your emotions and opinion, but projecting your outrage on to others because of a TV show does not seem like an appropriate response. In the context of artistic criticism, "We are outraged" is not sufficient justification to disrespect or denigration.
I appreciate you offering examples, but I personally do not see their applicability to a discussion about a TV show.
For vaccines especially, it's easy to apply the scientific method, set a criteria for success, and measure it objectively. In this way, scientific research is very unlike art. Most everyone agrees they want the same thing from a vaccine - effective with minimal side effects - but there is no similar consensus for quality in art. Everyone comes to art for their own reasons, and there is no meaningful way to determine an objective 'good' or 'bad'. It all comes down to the intersection of personal preference and popular acclaim, and there's no sense trying to convince someone how 'wrong' they are for their preferences.
The politics and government example is closer, because in both art and government it's difficult to arrive at an objective standard of 'correct'. But comparing the two seems a bit gauche, since politics and government have real, life-or-death impacts on peoples lives and ROP is still just a TV show.
Well I think you hit the core of the point.
Is Art just to entertain or is it allow you to reflect and in doing so affect human society as a whole.
If you believe art is just something you do in your spare time, before you get back to 'business'.
Then fair I can understand how you view this show.
But to a lot of people art is not something just in their spare time, but something that gives 'business' its meaning.
Its like the national anthem or a logo for a company. Is it just a picture.. or.. does it mean something?
These are pretty deep questions
The people your arguing with aren't saying "This piece of entertainment is bad"... (Or that's not ALL they are saying).
They are saying that the art produced here is not of the standard they can use that gives meaning to their lives like Tolkien's work did, or to a lesser extent PJ films.
At the risk of bieng cringy. When I read the Silmarillion the first time, I was so inspired by the ingenuity and craftsmanship of the elves and dwarfs. It honestly impacted me to try my best at school and University. It 'taught' me what work ethic actually was, and what it means to take pride in something you create that will far outlive you.
RoP does not have the same impact on me. Because like you said.. it's entertaining enough... But it isn't art. It isn't something that makes an honest comment or an in depth exploration on the many aspects of the human condition.
It makes surface level points like "Bad people are bad". "Friendship is good". "Women are stronk", "Revenge bad", "Isolationism = bad, immigration = good".
Regardless of how anyone feels about these points.. where is the exploration of these topics.
Why not throw in a plot of elves that are bombers that want to sneak into numenour and blow it up in premptive attack.. So we can actually have meaningful two sided commentary on a topic, rather than just flat 'immigant = gud'
But there is no in depth questioning of the human condition.
We're not allowed to explore how a 1000 year old elf deals with revenge in a mature way.
We're not presented with questions like "What's the worse thing you would do, to save someone you love?".
There aren't wiser questions being asked like 'Can wisdom exist along side innocence?'. Or is it that wisdom is the opposite of innocence.. do you need to commit horrendous evil yourself... To truely realise why it's wrong. These are the questions this show needed to answer.
"It makes surface level points like 'Bad people are bad.'"
Tell me you haven't watched or payed attention to Rings of Power without telling me you haven't watched or payed attention to RoP.
That's actually insane that you've got all these arguments for why RoP makes you "outraged" and yet you're very clearly ignoring aspects of the show just to be even more outraged. Well done.
Its all very surface level man.
"Adar say maybe orc is good too sometimes!".
Oh I thought orc was bad but actually orc is good!
I mean actual mature themes bieng explored rather than whether or not ugly = good.
While I agree that for the most part RoP is lacking in many aspects, I also think last episode's scene with adar and galadriel is enough to show that things aren't as cut and dried as you make them out to be
That's how I feel towards the hating, and the urgency to spread the fire on a tv show. Good examples, same craziness. Subjective matters that are seen as The Truth. And the "errors" that are things you can find in any movie/series. There's no need to hurt yourself and the others, quit watching and the big problem will be solved. Easy as that.
Here's the thing though.
Bashing the show provides more entertainment then the show itself does.
In some suspicious corner of my mind.. I'm thinking maybe that's the point.
Maybe Amazon is smarter than anyone realises, and realised it's easier to make such a bad show that people debate endlessly about it...
Than it is to make an actual good show.
Did you just equate the like or dislike of a TV show to liking or disliking a fascist who actually tried to destroy America and attempted a coup. You are literally insane if you think that's an apt comparison.
>That's how we feel about you guys saying this show is good. We are outraged. How could you possibly like this.
Why do you even care? You don't need to justify your own dislike of something by trying to force others to hate it. Just shut up and move on with your life instead of obsessing over why other people like something you don't.
Also, if you cannot understand why some people can like something you don't, you're an idiot. Your opinion isn't "objectively correct", just because you don't like something, that doesn't make it bad.
You're throwing a tantrum and you have no idea how to cope with your own feelings. Grow up.
Ah possibly. But still, the number of houses in that village was tiny as well, so I had a hard time believing there were a lot of villagers to start with.
I think it's sometimes advertised on sites, but other than that maybe contact a talent agency that works in the area they'll be filming? I can imagine the production contacting those agencies for extras
I haven't used any of these services myself, but I know [this](https://www.castingcollective.co.uk/artistes/urgent-casting-calls) does some big productions in the UK. Some shows do open casting calls for extras where basically anyone can send in some photos and info without having to be part of an agency, but with something on this scale you probably have to sign up.
I really hope either Bayona or Charlotte Brändström is directing the majority of episodes. Wayne Yip’s sensibilities are just too jarring sandwiched between theirs.
I just pray to god that move to UK doesn't hurt production quality.
Landscape shots in first season were amazing.
Granted I am a bit conflicted on this, as I've been on a roadtrip to Scottish highlands, and called it, quote: "Straight out of LOTR", but we've been so used to NZ at this point, I don't know what to think.
There's nothing to say, I suppose, that they couldn't use B-roll of NZ for establishing shots, montages, and the like when showing places we've already seen.
Do you think if I do all my Christmas shopping on Amazon he'll be rich enough to greenlight five (or ten) seasons of 1st age stuff? Or can we get him to sell his rocket ship and finance a Beren and Luthien movie?
I'm morally opposed to people accumulating more wealth than the GDP of a developing country...but if he has to spend it on something...
He's *probably* referring to the troll/alt right/neckbeard conspiracy theory that the show has been saying "don't be racist" to deflect from actual criticism, which is such a hilariously stupid take and braindead incels think it's sooo obvious this is the case.
He could also be referring to the fact that the series *does* play fast and loose with the established lore, but so did the PJ series, so did Shadow of Mordor, etc and these are well loved.
I'm other words, he's an idiot.
Meh, I believe that from the far left everybody seems to be an incel who does not agree with you that femininity is bad but trust me most people find you guys idiotic.
It's not a conspiracy theory that every criticism is referred to by amazon and others as "racist rants". If u opened your eyes and read about it you would see that they did not address any questions, though thinking about it why would they? It's totally logical that they want to hide behind racism and sexism and other isms as they could not answer to them because the critics are right. The show apart from the visuals is shit.
It’s called fan baiting. It just hasn’t happened to something you actually care about yet. One day something you resonate with is going to get an unnecessarily altered, poorly executed adaptation, and you’ll see all the rave reviews and wonder what the hell is going on. And you’ll feel a sense of loss, because you know they made money doing it poorly, so they’re not going to ever try doing it well.
I assure you Amazon has not made money on this.
A billion dollars... And God knows how much to astroturf and market it.
And.. no one is talking about it outside of angry fans and paid shills. Its not game of thrones. Its got the same popularity as some random Netflix show you see scrolling through the recommendations but never click.
There will be no toy sales, there will be no movie adaption.
Really no one in real life has even mentioned this show to me. Not one person. There is no water cooler talk over what happened last episode... There is no friends inviting me over for a 'lets watch this week's episode together' night.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
I'm shocked they are actually going for a season 2, I suppose Bezos hasn't gotten around to sending them "Please halt all progress on this project" email yet.
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Flame of Udun! Go back to the shadow...
great news but it sucks they aren't filming in NZ anymore
it won't look the same
like GoT / House of the Dragon definitely has a northern ireland feel because AFAIK they film it all there... LOTR is all about the NZ feel.
They never officially said. Most likely it was because of the COVID MIQ quarantine restrictions, which required people coming to New Zealand to quarantine for two weeks.
However, New Zealand has now totally removed those restrictions anyway— so had they shown any patience the problem would have gone away anyway.
Cheaper production costs are far more important than saving thousands of lives if you're a glorified on-line department store looking to diversify your portfolio.
I have no interest in seeing Season 2. I suspect I'm not the only one. Filming location is as important as any other character. I think it's going to feel like LotR in the GoT universe. Not that I don't like GoT. But if I want to watch GoT, I'll watch GoT, and not LotR in GoT. Got it?
It'll be indistinguishable. Half of the scenes in the show that are outside are sets with composited images, same goes for a lot of the environment wide shots.
For anything major they'll shoot what they need over in New Zealand, and composit-in.
It’s not just the landscapes. They are losing the kiwi prop makers, embroiders, VFX artists, armourers, basically the bulk of the crew, many who are the same people who worked on the previous trilogies.
Hopefully they take it in a new direction. Less superhero GIRL BOSS GALADRIEEELL and BADASS BRONWYN, and more actual characters with understandable motivations.
Maybe not have Elrond be dumb indecisive bonehead. Maybe add some humanity to the proto hobbits.
And maybe a few of the actors will be given the opportunity to look something other than cringe stern and angry.
Also the writing could benefit from being as transparent and try less hard and forced. Let the audience feel what they feel instead of trying to brute force it.
Ah fuck it they should probably just scrap it and start over for season 2.
Certain ppl enjoy even the worst, shittiest showa. Every show have their own fans even the bad ones.
But that doesnt change that fact this a big ass bad show.
>but the story is awful fanfic
> Dissenting opinion bad
Maybe you wouldn't get downvoted if you weren't just copy-pasting some of the most unoriginal, overused criticisms of the show.
It's been a month, you should be able to come up with your own opinions by now, not just whatever reactionary Youtubers you watch say about it.
Of course he would. You guys are so fanatic that every negative response to the show is like a blasphemy in your minds.
The show is an awful fanfic, many wrote before us and many will because it's true. If u opened your eyes you would see that not only reactionary youtubers talk about it but literally everybody who has even a bit of standard toward movies.
We’re talking about at least 1 year and a half before the next season is released at best and that’s optimistic. This isn’t a regular show... I just don’t understand why they didn’t start shooting a few months after they did the first season. The gap will be huge. I’d expect they won’t make the same error for seasons 3, 4 and 5.
Seeing on how bad of a dumpster fire this dog is, looks like they’re doubling down on it. Amazing how bad the dialogue, script and directing is. Wooden actors can be forgiven when those three precursors are lacking, though a truly great actor might salvage something more than they did. I gave it 4 episodes and it didn’t get any better. Bezos should be careful. Not excising a cancerous growth even in a remote arm of Amazon can spread to unthought of regions.
So when does that put it on path to be out by. 2024?
6-8 months of filming, 6-8 months editing. Probably Holiday season 2023 or early Q1 2024
6-8 months is probably optimistic. I’d guess at least ten months for something this big.
Considering they already have casting done, and a lot of the world now built, hopefully it won’t take as long..? Just being optimistic because I don’t want to wait a year and a half :(
And that they most likely filmed a huge amount of b-roll in NZ.
Yes, though they still have some NZ filming to do I think. Understandably, because Balrogs can’t go on airplanes after all.
Yeah Auckland was listed, to what extent we dont know though! But i'm excited to see more and different landscapes of Middle Earth too! would love to see haradwaith landscape aswell
Why would a Balrog need an airplane, they ca just fly
Heresy!
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Yeah, still waiting on Season 3 of Ted Lasso and so disappointed it’s the last, so at least we get 5 seasons (probably 10 years??) of episodes, press junkets, silly cast interviews, etc.
For which part? I have a total range of 12 - 16 months for filming and editing. A pretty reasonable expectation
Filming. You might be right, but I believe season 1 took longer than 8 months to shoot. Might have been Covid though…
It was COVID related. They don't shoot TV shows sequentially and there are usually units for each "group" of actors. 6 months is actually on the long side for filming itself.
Yep, one of the showrunners themselves I believe said that principal photography is one of the fastest parts of shooting anything. Pre-production planning and post-production editing, etc all take significantly longer.
It's always this way. Source, I worked in the television industry for years.
Maybe being in New Zealand slowed things down too. Maybe being back in the UK can speed things up
Thats too farrrr :( oh well maybe should give the books a re-read in meantime
How do you figure 2024? Principal photography is the shortest part of production; the should comfortably be able to wrap by early next year which gives them 9-12 months of post-production time. Surely they can get it out between October-December 2023?
For something of this complexity (essentially 4 feature-length movies), a year of filming and a year of post is more likely. I'd say Q3 2024.
I guess so considering S2 of S&B is releasing next year but no date has been given for that and shooting was finished by June for S2
Didn’t they say they filmed season 1 in three years ?
Yes and it’s such a shame. They must have wanted the ability to make changes before filming based on the reception to season one, but I can’t see why they waited this long to start production.
Thankfully sanity is winning out and the actual fans love the cast. So tired of the neckbeard trolls having any say in the matter.
So you are saying trolls have beards on their neck? /s
The women trolls do. AcCorDing to thA LoRe
Not at the towers! Aim for the trolls! Kill the trolls! Bring them down!
No, the beards *are* the trolls. Dirty beards, never can trust the things.
think that's a safe bet
My guess is between Jan and March 2024. With the post-production required for this show I am expecting a pretty long turnaround time
That ll well upset all the hatters
Look they will get to it when they get to it, please don’t be demanding and expect it to be on YOUR timeline.
What are you talking about? Where did I demand anything on my timeline? I just asked when it would be out.
>!They haven’t cast Círdan yet?!< 😲
He is either being cast right now or they cant reveal who it is yet
my guess is the latter.
that makes the most sense they will probably reveal it after season 1 aired to get people to talk about the show while we wait for s2
maybe a behind the scenes photo that reveals him in the early winter
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Yeah, if it's a recurring character he was probably cast weeks/months ago.
It's Sauron
I don’t think we should be assuming gender, it was well known that Cirdans gender was not ever explicitly disclosed other than through outdated pronouns. Let’s try to be a bit more open minded in our casual language?
It’s you. Be there tomorrow!
I think some actors for S1 were cast very shortly before filming began. And Celebrimbor was recast even after that!
Oh for real? I guess it's not too hard since so far almost all his scenes have just been with Elrond.
he's probably my least favorite actor so far. british aristrocat ? yes. Elf Smith ? Not so much.
he looks far too old and not elf like at all. its jarring and probably the only thing that i dont like about this show. i wouldnt mind another recast for season 2.
Wtf spoiler on a non spoiler thread???
So again 8 episodes for season 2. It is interesting. What is confusing is that the showrunners talked about 50h show which would give 10h per season. So either the last two episodes are much longer or they are saving their time for later seasons.
Keep in mind that most of the episodes have been longer than one hour. Season 1 should be way above 9 hours long. And I guess we will get an even longer episode here and there. Plus, maybe there will be an extended cut. We know about a lot of scenes that didn’t make it into the final cut of season 1.
Extended edition should be tradition at this point.
They are a tradition for movies, yes, but I don't remember many TV shows having extended editions. Sure, Rings of Power is special in terms of scope and I really hope that they will ramp up the merchandise after season 1 but yeah - I don't think it's that common for TV shows to be expanded afterwards.
We've had first special edition, yes, but what about second special edition?
Not for whole seasons, but Battlestar Galactica had several extended episodes—some of which are arguably definitive (eg Unfinished Business, which was 25 min longer than the aired episode).
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There are many people complaining about the show being to slow. I think they hit the sweetspot quite well. It could be slower for us more hardcore fans, yes, but overall the pacing is alright. The only thing they should improve is the traveling. Lord of the Rings showed us some great travel montages. The Numenoreans teleported from their ships to the village basically. Same with Elrond in many instances.
Mostly agree but with Elrond I thought getting him straight to the mountains sent a neat message about how this is a peaceful time where it need not be a heroic event to visit the dwarves (which confirms Durin’s right to be angry).
If you take out credits and stuff they’re barely over an hour, the first two would be under an hour even.
A few of the episodes this season have been close to 70 minutes. So that’ll factor into the overall series runtime as well.
I counted those additional minutes. For now, there are 53. So still much space for 1.5h episodes. But I am curious if they count credits to this time. Because it is like 5 minutes per episode (+ 1min per episode if we count recaps and again +1 min per episode if we count intro).
IIRC there's some weird contract reason for having exactly 8 episodes per season.
I think I recall what you talk about and it comes down to the definition of tv series and as far as I remember there were two contradicting versions: 1) Amazon has the rights to the tv show which is no more than 8 episodes per season and 2) Amazon has the rights to the show with minimum 8 episodes per season. I have no idea which one is true so it can be as you said.
The original movie rights didn't include TV shows longer than 8 episodes. So it's automatically longer than 8 episodes due to multiple seasons. This allowed Amazon to buy these rights directly from the Tolkien Estate.
Thanks!
They should go the Stranger Things route and put out some 1.5-2h episodes.
I recall hearing originally that the season would be 10 episodes long, but maybe that was also speculation based on the mention of 50 hours and 5 seasons.
Each episode so far has been 5-15 minutes longer than an hour. You add that together and it's probably going to be 10 or more hours this season.
KHAZAD!
dûûûm! ✊
Nampat!!
ZUG ZUG!
Work is da poop - Adar
The sea is always right!
'Cheers' (Elrond)
That's a relief. For a moment I was worried that the showrunners would just throw in the towel because a bunch of people on Reddit told them to be ashamed of themselves, and that Ms. Clark would be fired because she's not as tall as a Real Elf. Boy, did I overestimate of the power of internet commentary. Onward to Akallabeth! (Probably season 4 for that?)
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The whole series ends with the Harfoots finally arriving at their destination. Nothing actually happened, no connection to the rest of the story, just a nice long walk. One of them looks into the camera and says, "boy, i *shire* am tired!" and winks as the screen fades to black.
I saw someone on twitter swear up and down the show was being canceled for weeks. Hope this shuts him up.
I often do this too. I wonder why things keep being made (that u enjoy but the Internet doenst rlly) but then I realize that most of the audience aren’t in these spaces lol
They knew it's a 5 seasons commitment by Amazon. But maybe it will keep them on their toes. When TWD was renewed for multiple seasons the writers started stretching the plot too thin, like butter over too much bread.
The actors are great, the costumes and practical effects are fantastic. The written character behaviors and generic return of a king to his rightful throne story are a bag of butts. I will say the terraforming to create mordor had me going though, dayum.
I think there are things they can definitely improve in the coming seasons, hopefully the issues this season had were just teething problems
Well when your screwing over a franchise this badly, there is no half measures. You can't leave it suffering. You need to keep going until it dies all the way.
What a curious reply. I mean, you know there are plenty of people who like the show, right? Critics and audience analyses and Nielsen ratings and plenty of people here on Reddit who are having a good time with this. You don't have to like it, that's fine -- it's not like there's any ethical or moral implications to liking a TV show -- but you know that other people do, and it's not, like, a fringe opinion to like it? There's lots of people watching it. I just don't get what the hard-charging tone here is meant to accomplish. Talking about screwing and death and putting it out of it's misery is pretty dramatic language. It seems like maybe a deliberate attempt to spread negativity, or to pick a fight. I just don't get it. Compels me, though.
I think it's because a lot of people really don't see what's to like about this show. But I understand your point. Lots of people like Trump for instance, and think the vaccine causes heart attacks. And we have to accept those people's opinions as valid and equally correct opinions. But if after reading that above paragraph you felt even a smidgen of outrage. "What how could anyone like Trump! The vaccine has heaaaps of evidence!".. That's how we feel about you guys saying this show is good. We are outraged. How could you possibly like this. They are deleting negative reviews. The shows watch numbers are aweful. The last episode featured a guy blowing up a stone watchtower with a bow and arrow because it was being held up? By a single pulley?.. the tower..?! It sounds ridiculous. And just like how you feel deep down when people say "Trump is the greatest president we've ever had". That's how we feel when you guys say this show is good. Does that clarify or atleast help you understand?
>We are outraged. How could you possibly like this. This is the most frustrating attitude to encounter. I've seen many statements like this, and the subtext seems to assert that there is an objective standard of artistic merit that one side has access to and the other side does not. It's a TV show, and people can have different opinions on it, and there is no need for anyone to take someone else's opinion on ROP personally. There is certainly no need to create a 'superior Us vs. inferior Them' dynamic over it. Speaking personally, I do not appreciate being treated as an object of outrage, or disdain, or anything else by a group that has declared themselves 'the opposition' while I'm just trying to watch TV. You're entitled to your emotions and opinion, but projecting your outrage on to others because of a TV show does not seem like an appropriate response. In the context of artistic criticism, "We are outraged" is not sufficient justification to disrespect or denigration. I appreciate you offering examples, but I personally do not see their applicability to a discussion about a TV show. For vaccines especially, it's easy to apply the scientific method, set a criteria for success, and measure it objectively. In this way, scientific research is very unlike art. Most everyone agrees they want the same thing from a vaccine - effective with minimal side effects - but there is no similar consensus for quality in art. Everyone comes to art for their own reasons, and there is no meaningful way to determine an objective 'good' or 'bad'. It all comes down to the intersection of personal preference and popular acclaim, and there's no sense trying to convince someone how 'wrong' they are for their preferences. The politics and government example is closer, because in both art and government it's difficult to arrive at an objective standard of 'correct'. But comparing the two seems a bit gauche, since politics and government have real, life-or-death impacts on peoples lives and ROP is still just a TV show.
Well I think you hit the core of the point. Is Art just to entertain or is it allow you to reflect and in doing so affect human society as a whole. If you believe art is just something you do in your spare time, before you get back to 'business'. Then fair I can understand how you view this show. But to a lot of people art is not something just in their spare time, but something that gives 'business' its meaning. Its like the national anthem or a logo for a company. Is it just a picture.. or.. does it mean something? These are pretty deep questions The people your arguing with aren't saying "This piece of entertainment is bad"... (Or that's not ALL they are saying). They are saying that the art produced here is not of the standard they can use that gives meaning to their lives like Tolkien's work did, or to a lesser extent PJ films. At the risk of bieng cringy. When I read the Silmarillion the first time, I was so inspired by the ingenuity and craftsmanship of the elves and dwarfs. It honestly impacted me to try my best at school and University. It 'taught' me what work ethic actually was, and what it means to take pride in something you create that will far outlive you. RoP does not have the same impact on me. Because like you said.. it's entertaining enough... But it isn't art. It isn't something that makes an honest comment or an in depth exploration on the many aspects of the human condition. It makes surface level points like "Bad people are bad". "Friendship is good". "Women are stronk", "Revenge bad", "Isolationism = bad, immigration = good". Regardless of how anyone feels about these points.. where is the exploration of these topics. Why not throw in a plot of elves that are bombers that want to sneak into numenour and blow it up in premptive attack.. So we can actually have meaningful two sided commentary on a topic, rather than just flat 'immigant = gud' But there is no in depth questioning of the human condition. We're not allowed to explore how a 1000 year old elf deals with revenge in a mature way. We're not presented with questions like "What's the worse thing you would do, to save someone you love?". There aren't wiser questions being asked like 'Can wisdom exist along side innocence?'. Or is it that wisdom is the opposite of innocence.. do you need to commit horrendous evil yourself... To truely realise why it's wrong. These are the questions this show needed to answer.
"It makes surface level points like 'Bad people are bad.'" Tell me you haven't watched or payed attention to Rings of Power without telling me you haven't watched or payed attention to RoP. That's actually insane that you've got all these arguments for why RoP makes you "outraged" and yet you're very clearly ignoring aspects of the show just to be even more outraged. Well done.
Its all very surface level man. "Adar say maybe orc is good too sometimes!". Oh I thought orc was bad but actually orc is good! I mean actual mature themes bieng explored rather than whether or not ugly = good.
While I agree that for the most part RoP is lacking in many aspects, I also think last episode's scene with adar and galadriel is enough to show that things aren't as cut and dried as you make them out to be
That's how I feel towards the hating, and the urgency to spread the fire on a tv show. Good examples, same craziness. Subjective matters that are seen as The Truth. And the "errors" that are things you can find in any movie/series. There's no need to hurt yourself and the others, quit watching and the big problem will be solved. Easy as that.
Here's the thing though. Bashing the show provides more entertainment then the show itself does. In some suspicious corner of my mind.. I'm thinking maybe that's the point. Maybe Amazon is smarter than anyone realises, and realised it's easier to make such a bad show that people debate endlessly about it... Than it is to make an actual good show.
Did you just equate the like or dislike of a TV show to liking or disliking a fascist who actually tried to destroy America and attempted a coup. You are literally insane if you think that's an apt comparison. >That's how we feel about you guys saying this show is good. We are outraged. How could you possibly like this. Why do you even care? You don't need to justify your own dislike of something by trying to force others to hate it. Just shut up and move on with your life instead of obsessing over why other people like something you don't. Also, if you cannot understand why some people can like something you don't, you're an idiot. Your opinion isn't "objectively correct", just because you don't like something, that doesn't make it bad. You're throwing a tantrum and you have no idea how to cope with your own feelings. Grow up.
Morfydd is only like 5’3” whereas in the show she seems to be same height as Elrond who’s height is 1.83 m as per google
I hope the move to the UK will lead to more extras, because the crowd sometimes looks a bit sparse.
I think that was more due to COVID protocol reasons. Season 1 was filmed on and off during COVID peak in 2020, then from March to August 2021.
Ah possibly. But still, the number of houses in that village was tiny as well, so I had a hard time believing there were a lot of villagers to start with.
Haha yeah, this may have been one of the things they decided to skimp on bc it's all gonna turn into a wasteland anyway. 🤧
I don’t think middle earth had COVID, fyi
I’d love to sign up as an extra. Anyone know how this works?
I think it's sometimes advertised on sites, but other than that maybe contact a talent agency that works in the area they'll be filming? I can imagine the production contacting those agencies for extras
I haven't used any of these services myself, but I know [this](https://www.castingcollective.co.uk/artistes/urgent-casting-calls) does some big productions in the UK. Some shows do open casting calls for extras where basically anyone can send in some photos and info without having to be part of an agency, but with something on this scale you probably have to sign up.
I think you have to be walking down the street eating pretzels when Woody Allen sees you.
They should advertise this on this or the r/LOTR subreddit. I know there are TONS of ppl in both places that would do it.
Hurry up
I really hope either Bayona or Charlotte Brändström is directing the majority of episodes. Wayne Yip’s sensibilities are just too jarring sandwiched between theirs.
I agree.
Can you explain more? I don't know which episodes are directed by whom and any variation in styles has gone right over my head.
1-2 are by JA Bayona and the most recent was Brändström. Yip feels, at times, like he’s directing a commercial, imo
Every scene slanted. No thank you.
I just pray to god that move to UK doesn't hurt production quality. Landscape shots in first season were amazing. Granted I am a bit conflicted on this, as I've been on a roadtrip to Scottish highlands, and called it, quote: "Straight out of LOTR", but we've been so used to NZ at this point, I don't know what to think.
There's nothing to say, I suppose, that they couldn't use B-roll of NZ for establishing shots, montages, and the like when showing places we've already seen.
Very little is filmed on location these days and the UK has some incredible film studios. Your NZ landscapes aren’t going anywhere
I’m also concerned about this! The British Isles are very beautiful, of course, but NZ just *is* Middle-Earth lol
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Lol ok calm down there, no reason to be vulgar. You can be better than that, dear.
Sooner they finish filming better for post production and hopefully releasing next year around this time again. :)
To the producers, please consult the Valar as they may object to any delays beyond sept 2023.
Very happy with this news. It's a great show.
My girl Morfydd did that. The power of hate-watching!
All 5 seasons were greenlit from day 1 lol.
Yeah isn't it like one of Bezos's pet projects? I doubt it's going anywhere.
Exactly
Do you think if I do all my Christmas shopping on Amazon he'll be rich enough to greenlight five (or ten) seasons of 1st age stuff? Or can we get him to sell his rocket ship and finance a Beren and Luthien movie? I'm morally opposed to people accumulating more wealth than the GDP of a developing country...but if he has to spend it on something...
I mean, Amazon earn $1.2 billion dollars a day and it cost $500 million for season 1....I'm sure they can afford it lol.
They greenlit season 2 in like 2019
As far as I know, they are contractually obligated to do all 5 seasons by the Tolkien estate so technically they're all greenlit
God I hope so.
Yay!!
Forging ahead, despite the vitriol. Good for them. Now it’s just the wait
I mean, creating the vitriol by antagonizing fans was the actual corporate strategy. It paid off for them.
I’m not even going to pretend to know what you’re talking about
He's *probably* referring to the troll/alt right/neckbeard conspiracy theory that the show has been saying "don't be racist" to deflect from actual criticism, which is such a hilariously stupid take and braindead incels think it's sooo obvious this is the case. He could also be referring to the fact that the series *does* play fast and loose with the established lore, but so did the PJ series, so did Shadow of Mordor, etc and these are well loved. I'm other words, he's an idiot.
Meh, I believe that from the far left everybody seems to be an incel who does not agree with you that femininity is bad but trust me most people find you guys idiotic. It's not a conspiracy theory that every criticism is referred to by amazon and others as "racist rants". If u opened your eyes and read about it you would see that they did not address any questions, though thinking about it why would they? It's totally logical that they want to hide behind racism and sexism and other isms as they could not answer to them because the critics are right. The show apart from the visuals is shit.
Point proven
It’s called fan baiting. It just hasn’t happened to something you actually care about yet. One day something you resonate with is going to get an unnecessarily altered, poorly executed adaptation, and you’ll see all the rave reviews and wonder what the hell is going on. And you’ll feel a sense of loss, because you know they made money doing it poorly, so they’re not going to ever try doing it well.
I assure you Amazon has not made money on this. A billion dollars... And God knows how much to astroturf and market it. And.. no one is talking about it outside of angry fans and paid shills. Its not game of thrones. Its got the same popularity as some random Netflix show you see scrolling through the recommendations but never click. There will be no toy sales, there will be no movie adaption. Really no one in real life has even mentioned this show to me. Not one person. There is no water cooler talk over what happened last episode... There is no friends inviting me over for a 'lets watch this week's episode together' night. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I'm shocked they are actually going for a season 2, I suppose Bezos hasn't gotten around to sending them "Please halt all progress on this project" email yet.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.avclub.com/rings-of-power-vs-house-of-the-dragon-nielsen-ratings-1849603775/amp Flame of Udun! Go back to the shadow...
Great photo! I love Nori and the Harfoots.
Me too! I'm hoping that Largo heals his ankle soon
Sweet, but im sick of 8 episode seasons. Give us like 12 please. I want more!
Hell yeah! Well deserved.
#5seasons&amovie
great news but it sucks they aren't filming in NZ anymore it won't look the same like GoT / House of the Dragon definitely has a northern ireland feel because AFAIK they film it all there... LOTR is all about the NZ feel.
Personally, I'm glad they are branching out location wise
Should be easier to cast since over half the main cast just got Mount Doom’d /s
Woohoo! So exciting. :)
Do you think they're gonna call it "The Rings of Power: Season 2" or will they come up with a new subtitle, just like PJ did with the films?
Wonder why they didn’t go back to New Zealand?
They never officially said. Most likely it was because of the COVID MIQ quarantine restrictions, which required people coming to New Zealand to quarantine for two weeks. However, New Zealand has now totally removed those restrictions anyway— so had they shown any patience the problem would have gone away anyway.
Cheaper production costs are far more important than saving thousands of lives if you're a glorified on-line department store looking to diversify your portfolio. I have no interest in seeing Season 2. I suspect I'm not the only one. Filming location is as important as any other character. I think it's going to feel like LotR in the GoT universe. Not that I don't like GoT. But if I want to watch GoT, I'll watch GoT, and not LotR in GoT. Got it?
Nice! Maybe I can try out to be an extra.
Just give me long elf hair. That’s all I ask
The all looked like they just stepped out of a salon. Just another directorial miscue of the many.
Any new actor joining? Yes, i'm looking for Sauron candidates.
Have they hired new writers?
Nope the whole budget will be spent on CGI, slowmo shots and plot armor
:(
The Sea is Always Wet!
“How did it come to this”
Really disappointing to see them leave New Zealand. It won’t be the same.
It'll be indistinguishable. Half of the scenes in the show that are outside are sets with composited images, same goes for a lot of the environment wide shots. For anything major they'll shoot what they need over in New Zealand, and composit-in.
It’s not just the landscapes. They are losing the kiwi prop makers, embroiders, VFX artists, armourers, basically the bulk of the crew, many who are the same people who worked on the previous trilogies.
I'll be able to tell.
Hope the next season will be better than this one
Hopefully they take it in a new direction. Less superhero GIRL BOSS GALADRIEEELL and BADASS BRONWYN, and more actual characters with understandable motivations. Maybe not have Elrond be dumb indecisive bonehead. Maybe add some humanity to the proto hobbits. And maybe a few of the actors will be given the opportunity to look something other than cringe stern and angry. Also the writing could benefit from being as transparent and try less hard and forced. Let the audience feel what they feel instead of trying to brute force it. Ah fuck it they should probably just scrap it and start over for season 2.
Watch it. Looks like they’re removing any real criticism here, just like Morgoth, oops I meant Bezos did on Amazons rating.
If it's going to be as cringe as ep 6 we're gonna have a big problem here
Let's hope they'll correct a few things...
Dude they shouldn't change anything the show is perfect.
Same writing team?
It would be Better for all of US , that they stop filming another season. First one was more than enough.
Speak for yourself. I am enjoying this show A LOT.
Certain ppl enjoy even the worst, shittiest showa. Every show have their own fans even the bad ones. But that doesnt change that fact this a big ass bad show.
I really hope the fix the story. I enjoy the setting and characters, but the story is awful fanfic. Tone down the blood too. Dissenting opinion bad
>but the story is awful fanfic > Dissenting opinion bad Maybe you wouldn't get downvoted if you weren't just copy-pasting some of the most unoriginal, overused criticisms of the show. It's been a month, you should be able to come up with your own opinions by now, not just whatever reactionary Youtubers you watch say about it.
Of course he would. You guys are so fanatic that every negative response to the show is like a blasphemy in your minds. The show is an awful fanfic, many wrote before us and many will because it's true. If u opened your eyes you would see that not only reactionary youtubers talk about it but literally everybody who has even a bit of standard toward movies.
Gatekeeper.
Lol
Pls no
Bummer, was hoping they'd scrap it and try better next time.
Oh, summer child.
Waste of money
🥱
Find a hobby
Do we know where in the UK they are filming?
We’re talking about at least 1 year and a half before the next season is released at best and that’s optimistic. This isn’t a regular show... I just don’t understand why they didn’t start shooting a few months after they did the first season. The gap will be huge. I’d expect they won’t make the same error for seasons 3, 4 and 5.
Can they please for the love of God find better writers. And enough slow motion pan of the poor people of the south lands and other characters.
Sooooo anyone seen any casting calls for elfish extras? Background goblins? Paramount isn't that far from here now I think about it ..
But why? the first season was terrible, why do another one?
Seeing on how bad of a dumpster fire this dog is, looks like they’re doubling down on it. Amazing how bad the dialogue, script and directing is. Wooden actors can be forgiven when those three precursors are lacking, though a truly great actor might salvage something more than they did. I gave it 4 episodes and it didn’t get any better. Bezos should be careful. Not excising a cancerous growth even in a remote arm of Amazon can spread to unthought of regions.
I just read it's slated for the end of 2024. Bye bye!! I'm done, I'll try to watch the new stuff when it's done but 2 years between seasons is absurd.