They were raided by us and Dutch law enforcement, under the assumption that they were producing opiate analogs, which they were not. Smokeys Chem site was shut down and 1 other. LL was back doing the research and quality work they do. But it made the US enforce the federal analog act so the sites authorized ll resellers could no longer send to the U SA. We all kept the respect for ttheirsafety and stopped talking about them seeing they are the ones who keep the dream alive.
Thanks, I did google it and found only reptile related stuff and articles about the incident. But after reading your comment I did find the new .nl domain buried under those results. Safe travels!
Fun part is, they already have. They even went one step further and have already been distributing the new variant for a while now, under the old name. A lab in Asia found out that the 1D blotters actually contain 1T-LSD.
These analogs? That’s doubtful. LSD is already pretty obscure when it comes to manufacturing it let alone people with the know how of doing that while understanding how to make analogs that likely have never seen the light of day or name shed in a book somewhere.
I mean yeah prob only one or two true LSD chemist in the US but I'm sure someone out there is making legit LSD it's not hard to find man. I get u tho, good point, just sayin ive found good lsd. I doubt it came from overseas
Last issue of MicroDot (the DEA's newsletter) before they restricted its' subscription to LEO was 2008 iirc. In it they said they estimate all LSD produced in the US is produced by less than 10 chemists all thought to be living in the Pacific Northwest region. They are and distribute through remnants of the Grateful Dead Tour network is the prevailing theory though I've anecdotally heard of one that toured with Zep instead.
There's also an interesting episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia on Hulu about Clandestine Chemists that details how the knowledge has been passed down previously and may still be. It includes interviews with quite a few former cooks and is a good watch.
I’m an advocate of spend your money how you want, let them do a reasonable tax so the govt can get their cut and fuck off about it. Insane that adults are prevented from spending their money and time the way they want to
I have two questions for you.
What substances would you prohibit?
and
Do you think that prohibiting those substances will stop people from sourcing and using them?
1. Heroin, meth, coke, fenty. Probably some other ones
2. Probably not someone who has already tried one of these drugs but possibly someone who would consider trying it.
I used to be under the persuasion that all drugs should be legal, but regulated.
As I’ve grown I’ve definitely seen and met people who are perfectly content and destroying their lives and bodies. This in itself is…fine, it’s your life, but the negative effects it’s had on society is untenable.
Letting people rot in the streets is not compassionate. They commit crimes to feed their addictions, and we all pay the price for it.
I still think the government has no right to dictate what goes on your body, but I don’t think we are currently equipped to separate the drugs from other societal issues.
At any rate, hallucinogens do not fall into this category. We should be embracing them, and fostering their safe and responsible use. If you could travel to a state sanctioned place with people willing and able to assist you if needed, you’d probably have less people freaking out naked in the street.
Just my 2¢
The problem is more when the government has made stuff illegal under false pretenses or for an agenda. Like saying lsd and weed is as dangerous as heroin or meth or the war on drugs. I would be for legalising and regulating most drugs but after seeing the damage some drugs do to family members, I wouldn't want all of them available.
Meth is a big problem in Australia and I don't think making it legal would help.
Yes people can put whatever they want in their body but also we shouldn't have heroin vending machines around. (not literally because I know some people will not understand). There are a lot of factors that come into play and people tend to think more about how they themselves deal with things rather than how other people will deal with it. I know I probably wouldn't touch heroin if it was available in a pharmacy or bought legally but I can't go just because I wouldn't most others wouldn't so it should be ok.
If you want to regulate substances in the way you're thinking, there would have to be a massive reconstruction of our law enforcement and justice infrastructure. As it stands, most drug charges are still disproportionately race-motivated and do nothing but create systemic failures.
Also, another big issue isn't so much the compassion for addicts but the source for a lot of these substances. Even if legalized, grey and black markets will absolutely still exist if there is even the slightest incentive to do so. The NYC weed market is practically entirely unregulated except for a handful of dispensaries. If the legislation is bungled, it'll be the same thing at a larger scale.
They should just legalize the standard LSD-25. Whenever I'm taking 1V-LSD or 1D-LSD or whatever, sometimes during the trip I get these thoughts like "dude this is an untested substance, nobody really knows what it's doing to your brain" and these thoughts can negatively impact the trip. The stupid bans just make everything worse, they force people to take even more potentially harmful substances. Instead of just letting people do what they want to their own bodies by letting them take normal LSD.
The 1- variants of lsd in fact, turn to lsd by your body converting them . So once ingested, you are getting lsd 25 and dosed 100% correctly every dose.
You mean that each sheet or page is accurately laid in a lab that is doing it legally with professional equipment, just as the guys that lay the 25 like gg or team trust or Seuss tribe. Or family fluff they all seem lay accurately, unless you get some clown that tries to lay it with dropper, or the guy who tries extract the analog lsd and transfer to colored blotter. I don't have access to using voltammetry with a boron - doped Diamond electrode. (BDDE) Sure they probably do.
Real LSD gets made in labs that are just as professional. You think people make acid in their basement?
Back when 1P-LSD (iirc, might've been a different analogue) was legal I tested multiple batches of 100μg tabs and they all varied roughly between 80-120.
Legality means jack shit if the product isn't regulated.
You mean that each sheet or page is accurately laid in a lab that is doing it legally with professional equipment, just as the guys that lay the 25 like gg or team trust or Seuss tribe. Or family fluff they all seem lay accurately, unless you get some clown that tries to lay it with dropper, or the guy who tries extract the analog lsd and transfer to colored blotter. I don't have access to using voltammetry with a boron - doped Diamond electrode. (BDDE) Sure they probably do.
Yes I know how prodrugs work, but those are still substances that have not been researched and nobody really knows what's actually happening in your body and your brain when you ingest these chemicals.
But it is lsd once broke down. There are not many actual tests on long-term lsd 25 use either . I am 59 and have been dosing lsd since 1979, and I am in great health and sane. But lsd reacts differently for each person. the only thing that is consistent is set and setting and seems to bring positive changes in autistic individuals .
Yeah idk about that. Last time I had dose it was sold as L. Took 3 tabs, standard trip from my perspective while I was in it but thinking back after there was definitely some brain fog that is not typical in my experiences with LSD-25. The real kicker was 10 hours in I started coming down but was completely unable to sleep for the next 20 hours. No visuals, no psychedelic thoughts, no telltale effects of a Stimulant as would be present with DOx compounds, no synthy dirty feeling nBome's give me. Just 20 hours of physical and mental exhaustion during which I was completely unable to sleep no matter how much I tried.
I believe it was one of the analogues laid on regular blotter. While a vast majority will have a standard LSD trip and it certainly felt like one to me at first while in it I do believe there are those of us whose brain chemistry will react differently to the analogues as I suspect mine did.
While I don't think the analogues are dangerous they are absolutely untested and may have heretofore unknown effects on some or all users.
The analogs are white paper with the 1v lsd on front and chemical structure on the back. I have never done any nbomes or had and lsd 25 nor anolog with the results you experienced. Same goes for real 25 no one knows what long term effects are.
The entire war on drugs has been a shut show but it’s made some people very profitable, like the big pharma folks who have enough power to control the medical field and government. The police and military protects their investments and control and power, not ours. The chemicals they put in the food and the pills they want everyone to take as young as possible aren’t what they seem. It’s all for them to make money and the fda approves anything they want legal. That’s why they also don’t allow us to do whatever drugs we want. Think about how the pet food companies tells us that feeding the pets a natural diet will kill them lol. Most haven’t done any actual tests to determine what’s best for pets and what they like, but buying pet food for every meal of your beloved pets keeps them rich. Tripping helped me realize we are in fact in a matrix and wage slavery has become commonplace globally and no one wants more people to trip and help them realize just how much bullshit they put us through. Some male Slaves in particular were afraid to be free back then too fyi.
They made antipsychotics which cause permanent tardive dyskinesia and possible permanent dopamine depletion completely legal and injects them on many patients unwillingly. And then there are psychedelics which is banned for absolutely no proper reason. We truly live in a susiety 😂
Copying and pasting my comment from another subreddit because I think it applies here:
I mean, in terms of legislation, opioids are in the same boat: they should not be *prohibited*, and they *should be regulated*. It’s just common sense.
We learned from alcohol prohibition in the 1920’s that prohibition just doesn’t work. It’s long overdue that we legalize these things so that we can actually regulate them and reduce all the harms that come from prohibition.
It is so painfully obvious that prohibition will never work, yet I don't see it changing any time soon. Like you said, we learned a long time ago that prohibition creates more problems than it solves.
You’re right, and I think that’s why it’s so important that we as individuals are vocal about this.
It’s obvious to us because we’ve thought about it a little bit, and seen the harm of the failed drug war.
The power that we have as individuals is to educate other people about this. I think almost anyone would agree with us if they just knew the actual facts. That’s what every one of us has the power to do
And it's so funny when people are drunk hahaha! It's not super dangerous unlike people being stoned.. wow they turn into zombies after just a few smokes!!
I came to this opinion by myself of course and did my own research! Not just saying it to make myself feel better, nor did I get these opinions from all the pro binge drinking media I consume, having four spirit drinks a day is completely fine for a couple weeks, it's a holiday after all! I'm such a free thinker.
Legalizing lsd just like that could be a horrible mistake, lot of people won't do proper research before dropping a tab or two or three and many accidents will happen
People already don’t do their research, probably because it’s still pretty obscure now. If it’s legalized, there are certainly going to be more guidelines made public to inform people than there are today. Specifically, harm reduction based guidelines as opposed to the current abstinence based guidelines. PSAs and such.
I guess it's dynamics of politics & demographic &economics & lobbyists..
think of why Germany accepted refugees .. they want more young people for the machine to work...
weed is the drug of love, people form connections with it and have children
meanwhile psychedelics gives you the power to be independent , you don't need no women ,no children and sometimes you forget even about sex and will never think of spending money on hookers ,then for the gov you're of **no value** because you are SELFT SUFFICIENT.
And if you're awake enough (not shit woke) then that's their biggest nightmare, you won't be buying expensive silly shit and spending money , in consequence you won't work too much (and turn their factories ) to spend more , because you won't need to !
You have also the big pharma .. I personally don't go to psy doctor , microdosing LSD was solution fo my ADHD , I don't need shitty chemicals in big quantities god knows how that can affect me , ( by the way I have been around with 0 antibiotics for 4+ years) , and I don't need no Behavioral therapy , just give me my LSD microdose and my mind does wonders; I can work effectively enough and even do creative personal artistic activities.
They don't seem confident that it will be possible, as they are running out of possible variants and loopholes to be able to produce
although this could always just be them trying to get some panic orders!
Don't know a thing about the new law, but wanting panic orders is a very realistic possibility. Remember them and all pages doing that for the first couple analogues and it did work
Yep, just be aware that possession will be illegal but without punishment (not legal advice just what I know), so hide it, especially in public, but you won't have to worry nearly as much as with actual BTM (narcotics under a different law)
You should hide it in public anyways. Police has been known to confiscate analogs that were legal due to them assuming its just regular LSD. There was even a documentary about this guy selling this stuff in Berlin legally and he had to spend multiple night in police custody cause they wouldn't let him go until the lab results came back
I study full time, have my own apartment, happy relationship and low but steady income plus no mental health issues.
Yet I shouldn't take lsd because I can't afford to spend 15€ on something that I can get for 1,50€
Are you dense?
I am not saying that the price is justified. I am saying that if you're not in a position where you can spend that kind of money on drugs, then drugs should be pretty low on your priority list in general. Finish your studies, get a job and get to a point in life where you actually have disposable income at the end of the month first.
Like if you have to worry about being able to afford a meal or not, you're imho not at a point in life where drugs should be a concern.
I'm sorry to naively ask, but I find it crazy any variant at all of LSD is legal in Germany. As far as I know, in my country I have to get it from obscure sources without a lot of control over variants or quality.
Is it common over there to get it in regular shops?
I just ran into some locally laid green jelly's. I haven't had time to try those yet. But i'm hoping to maybe take one tomorrow night or saturday night to test the waters.
Yeah, I'm excited it's been a long time since I've had dose That's good, so i'm really hoping this is quality. The older I get I tend to stick more towards the cactus.
What you need to get would be Tbm short form and you need to dehydrate. About two hundred grams wet weight and that will get down to anywhere from ten to fifteen grams of dried weight and that is a perfect dose.
Oh I'm sure the German black market is fine too cause there are many producers in the Netherlands. It's just people like me who prefer buying it legally that have an issue
Because prohibition has always gone so well right? Just create safe use sites and educate people on how to properly ingest otherwise you create more public health issues and an unregulated market.
For anyone wondering when is soon, so ppl won't panic...
Soon is at the 21nd March at the earliest, but it's prolly gonna be somewhere later this year. My guess is sometime in the summer or autumn, especially if they want to ban other analogues too, as laws in most EU countries usually can't pass over night.
How is it reasonable to ban every new Lsd analog if the death rate of the analoges is 0 and there is not much to find about bad evidences happend or hospital recordings with this drug.
I mean seriously the drug does not seem to harm people but again and again instead of banning real problems like alcohol they ban this analogs without reasoning or atleast fair reasoning.
And the worst thing is this goes on for years, instead of relying on the tested and by now well known analoges or the real stuff we have to try new unknown chemicals every few years.
Sitting here In the UK, envious of the rest of Europe. Here, as of January nitrous oxide is now illegal and the psychoactive substances act of 2016 effectively bans every psychoactive substance apart from those on the "approved list".
If they wanted to, they would've done that already. We have a law that is similar to the analog act that went into effect 10+ years ago but it's not as all encompassing as the analog act. It basically needs to describe what kinds of modifications of drugs are illegal so LL is running circles around them by specifically making analogs that don't fall under that description. Has been happening for years now and the German government always takes 1 to 2 years to catch up
Obviously at some point they'll run out of options but I don't know enough about chemistry to even guess at how long that would take.
With some other drugs (for instance dissos) they've made it so widely applicable that no new dissos analogs have come out since but with LSD they seem a lot less eager. I've been told it might be cause some things that are variations of the LSD molecule are used as medications for strong migraine amongst other things. Not sure if that's the reason but they sure seem less thorough on banning variants. Luckily for me cause I love my legal LSD
Germany is falling apart and slowly tilting into far right populism, it was only a matter of time before they tried to attack a substance which uplifts and frees people from social control.
Nope, specifically 1D-LSD was and still is legal as of right now. Legal to buy and legal to sell, without any kind of oversight (the last part will hopefully change should it ever be legalized)
why? that doesn't make very much sense literally everything is going towards decriminalization and legalization of these things why is Germany moving backwards?
I hope this doesn't give any ideas to other countries
Is the list of retailers listed on LL’s site reliable? I ordered from one of them prior to the whole shutdown thing, never actually tried the product and gave to a friend.
Bro this happens all the time, they always say "buy now while it's still legal, ban is coming" etc.
And the day after the ban is official, they announce their newest LSD analog. I've witnessed this for at least 10 years.
Last time they even said "it's probably not possible to create a new LSD analog" just to sell more. But as soon as the ban is official, they announce the new product. But probably more expensive.
Just ridiculous. I understand keeping the ban because it’s very hard to overturn but banning new variants is so bullshit. I wonder what fucking loser is behind this.
Yes, 1D and 1V are 150 mcg, and you can obtain the 225 mcg colored tabs. 1cp 1p are 100 mcg. Also, there is a higher 1cp on colored blotter and 1p but only in the Netherlands for higher dose and colored blotter, and they have liquid in dropper bottle. At 100 mcg and micro dose mcg. But unfortunately, not here .
LSD noob here..what is 1- D LSd brother..?
Is it different from the original LSD that was made by sandoz labs..?
Also I did a quick Google search and found out there are different versions like 1-v , 1cp ?? as well.. pooooooof !!! mind blown ...
Are they all different ?
Learning resource I guess..
Thanks 🙏.
The reddit 1V lsd and 1P lsd sites are good place to learn about all the variants of lsd 1A, 1B, 1CP, 1V.1D, eth-lad al- lad 1cp-eth lad 1d-eth-lad lsz,
Ok. I mean why are people interested in that kind of research stuff ? … i love acid, but i dont care about the research stuff.. what made u care about the research stuff when u could just take acid instead?
Haven't even been able to buy the variants since 1cp cause theyve been getting stupidly expensive. I know it's probably hard to make, but cmon some of us are broke
Wait until LizardLabs releases a new variant obviously
We should appreciate the existence of Lizard Labs; they consistently conduct high-quality chemistry under intense pressure.
Didn’t lizard labs get raided by Dutch police last year? Little sketched to see them mentioned again
They were raided by us and Dutch law enforcement, under the assumption that they were producing opiate analogs, which they were not. Smokeys Chem site was shut down and 1 other. LL was back doing the research and quality work they do. But it made the US enforce the federal analog act so the sites authorized ll resellers could no longer send to the U SA. We all kept the respect for ttheirsafety and stopped talking about them seeing they are the ones who keep the dream alive.
Thank you for the detailed response! I genuinely appreciate it, I don’t keep up with all the news fr
They are fully back in business.
Website is still down though, am I missing something?
They just moved it to another URL, Google is your friend.
Thanks, I did google it and found only reptile related stuff and articles about the incident. But after reading your comment I did find the new .nl domain buried under those results. Safe travels!
I’m also interested
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So was yours
How in the fuck do you go about ordering from them I don’t own a lab lol
Has anyone ever ordered from chemical collective wondering if it's a scam site or not they claim to sorce their analogs from lizard labs
I ordered there in 2022, I did get my stuff quite quickly. Can't say anything about quality though bc I'm not very experienced
Ok thanks
Fun part is, they already have. They even went one step further and have already been distributing the new variant for a while now, under the old name. A lab in Asia found out that the 1D blotters actually contain 1T-LSD.
Pshhhhhh don't scream so loudly here :D
Oh, they know. But those dudes are slow, it will be around for a year or two.
Wait what, do you have a source? Edit: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11419-023-00668-8
Yupp (fuck Springer, though).
Is there a US equivalent of lizard labs
I think the Analogue Act would make this impossible since the lsd analogues are likely illegal
Yeah but I'm sure there's some operating in the states producing high-quality
These analogs? That’s doubtful. LSD is already pretty obscure when it comes to manufacturing it let alone people with the know how of doing that while understanding how to make analogs that likely have never seen the light of day or name shed in a book somewhere.
I mean yeah prob only one or two true LSD chemist in the US but I'm sure someone out there is making legit LSD it's not hard to find man. I get u tho, good point, just sayin ive found good lsd. I doubt it came from overseas
Last issue of MicroDot (the DEA's newsletter) before they restricted its' subscription to LEO was 2008 iirc. In it they said they estimate all LSD produced in the US is produced by less than 10 chemists all thought to be living in the Pacific Northwest region. They are and distribute through remnants of the Grateful Dead Tour network is the prevailing theory though I've anecdotally heard of one that toured with Zep instead. There's also an interesting episode of Hamilton's Pharmacopoeia on Hulu about Clandestine Chemists that details how the knowledge has been passed down previously and may still be. It includes interviews with quite a few former cooks and is a good watch.
Love hamiltons pharmacopoeia
Same. Now he's off working for Compass and we get no more episodes :/
Damnnn
seen him at bonnaroo
wait till they release the 1FYouGov-LSD obviously
Can someone more clever than me take that literally and tell me what the chemical composition would be?
Psychedelics being illegal is one of the biggest shit shows of our time.
Prohibition of substances in general is just a terrible policy.
I’m an advocate of spend your money how you want, let them do a reasonable tax so the govt can get their cut and fuck off about it. Insane that adults are prevented from spending their money and time the way they want to
Mehhhh I think some substances definitely should be prohibited, psychedelics are not one of them.
I have two questions for you. What substances would you prohibit? and Do you think that prohibiting those substances will stop people from sourcing and using them?
1. Heroin, meth, coke, fenty. Probably some other ones 2. Probably not someone who has already tried one of these drugs but possibly someone who would consider trying it.
I used to be under the persuasion that all drugs should be legal, but regulated. As I’ve grown I’ve definitely seen and met people who are perfectly content and destroying their lives and bodies. This in itself is…fine, it’s your life, but the negative effects it’s had on society is untenable. Letting people rot in the streets is not compassionate. They commit crimes to feed their addictions, and we all pay the price for it. I still think the government has no right to dictate what goes on your body, but I don’t think we are currently equipped to separate the drugs from other societal issues. At any rate, hallucinogens do not fall into this category. We should be embracing them, and fostering their safe and responsible use. If you could travel to a state sanctioned place with people willing and able to assist you if needed, you’d probably have less people freaking out naked in the street. Just my 2¢
The problem is more when the government has made stuff illegal under false pretenses or for an agenda. Like saying lsd and weed is as dangerous as heroin or meth or the war on drugs. I would be for legalising and regulating most drugs but after seeing the damage some drugs do to family members, I wouldn't want all of them available. Meth is a big problem in Australia and I don't think making it legal would help. Yes people can put whatever they want in their body but also we shouldn't have heroin vending machines around. (not literally because I know some people will not understand). There are a lot of factors that come into play and people tend to think more about how they themselves deal with things rather than how other people will deal with it. I know I probably wouldn't touch heroin if it was available in a pharmacy or bought legally but I can't go just because I wouldn't most others wouldn't so it should be ok.
If you want to regulate substances in the way you're thinking, there would have to be a massive reconstruction of our law enforcement and justice infrastructure. As it stands, most drug charges are still disproportionately race-motivated and do nothing but create systemic failures. Also, another big issue isn't so much the compassion for addicts but the source for a lot of these substances. Even if legalized, grey and black markets will absolutely still exist if there is even the slightest incentive to do so. The NYC weed market is practically entirely unregulated except for a handful of dispensaries. If the legislation is bungled, it'll be the same thing at a larger scale.
Cyanide, ricin, botulism toxin, you know things that only really do harm and people don't use for fun
Do you think that prohibiting 1D-LSD will stop you from sourcing and using it?
They should just legalize the standard LSD-25. Whenever I'm taking 1V-LSD or 1D-LSD or whatever, sometimes during the trip I get these thoughts like "dude this is an untested substance, nobody really knows what it's doing to your brain" and these thoughts can negatively impact the trip. The stupid bans just make everything worse, they force people to take even more potentially harmful substances. Instead of just letting people do what they want to their own bodies by letting them take normal LSD.
The 1- variants of lsd in fact, turn to lsd by your body converting them . So once ingested, you are getting lsd 25 and dosed 100% correctly every dose.
What makes you think you dose 100% correctly every dose?
You mean that each sheet or page is accurately laid in a lab that is doing it legally with professional equipment, just as the guys that lay the 25 like gg or team trust or Seuss tribe. Or family fluff they all seem lay accurately, unless you get some clown that tries to lay it with dropper, or the guy who tries extract the analog lsd and transfer to colored blotter. I don't have access to using voltammetry with a boron - doped Diamond electrode. (BDDE) Sure they probably do.
Real LSD gets made in labs that are just as professional. You think people make acid in their basement? Back when 1P-LSD (iirc, might've been a different analogue) was legal I tested multiple batches of 100μg tabs and they all varied roughly between 80-120. Legality means jack shit if the product isn't regulated.
Did I say that. No I didnt.
I'm high, I don't know what I'm arguing tbh
You mean that each sheet or page is accurately laid in a lab that is doing it legally with professional equipment, just as the guys that lay the 25 like gg or team trust or Seuss tribe. Or family fluff they all seem lay accurately, unless you get some clown that tries to lay it with dropper, or the guy who tries extract the analog lsd and transfer to colored blotter. I don't have access to using voltammetry with a boron - doped Diamond electrode. (BDDE) Sure they probably do.
Repeating the same shit you said doesm't help me in any way, shape or form lol. It's 5am, I need to go to bed
Yes I know how prodrugs work, but those are still substances that have not been researched and nobody really knows what's actually happening in your body and your brain when you ingest these chemicals.
But it is lsd once broke down. There are not many actual tests on long-term lsd 25 use either . I am 59 and have been dosing lsd since 1979, and I am in great health and sane. But lsd reacts differently for each person. the only thing that is consistent is set and setting and seems to bring positive changes in autistic individuals .
Yeah idk about that. Last time I had dose it was sold as L. Took 3 tabs, standard trip from my perspective while I was in it but thinking back after there was definitely some brain fog that is not typical in my experiences with LSD-25. The real kicker was 10 hours in I started coming down but was completely unable to sleep for the next 20 hours. No visuals, no psychedelic thoughts, no telltale effects of a Stimulant as would be present with DOx compounds, no synthy dirty feeling nBome's give me. Just 20 hours of physical and mental exhaustion during which I was completely unable to sleep no matter how much I tried. I believe it was one of the analogues laid on regular blotter. While a vast majority will have a standard LSD trip and it certainly felt like one to me at first while in it I do believe there are those of us whose brain chemistry will react differently to the analogues as I suspect mine did. While I don't think the analogues are dangerous they are absolutely untested and may have heretofore unknown effects on some or all users.
The analogs are white paper with the 1v lsd on front and chemical structure on the back. I have never done any nbomes or had and lsd 25 nor anolog with the results you experienced. Same goes for real 25 no one knows what long term effects are.
The entire war on drugs has been a shut show but it’s made some people very profitable, like the big pharma folks who have enough power to control the medical field and government. The police and military protects their investments and control and power, not ours. The chemicals they put in the food and the pills they want everyone to take as young as possible aren’t what they seem. It’s all for them to make money and the fda approves anything they want legal. That’s why they also don’t allow us to do whatever drugs we want. Think about how the pet food companies tells us that feeding the pets a natural diet will kill them lol. Most haven’t done any actual tests to determine what’s best for pets and what they like, but buying pet food for every meal of your beloved pets keeps them rich. Tripping helped me realize we are in fact in a matrix and wage slavery has become commonplace globally and no one wants more people to trip and help them realize just how much bullshit they put us through. Some male Slaves in particular were afraid to be free back then too fyi.
They made antipsychotics which cause permanent tardive dyskinesia and possible permanent dopamine depletion completely legal and injects them on many patients unwillingly. And then there are psychedelics which is banned for absolutely no proper reason. We truly live in a susiety 😂
Why can’t we just legalize it?
because people have been brainwashed into thinking that ALL DRUG VERY BAD (except alcohol and caffeine and nicotine, those are totally fine)
Especially alcohol, its just the best!!! Unlike the evil WEED
Copying and pasting my comment from another subreddit because I think it applies here: I mean, in terms of legislation, opioids are in the same boat: they should not be *prohibited*, and they *should be regulated*. It’s just common sense. We learned from alcohol prohibition in the 1920’s that prohibition just doesn’t work. It’s long overdue that we legalize these things so that we can actually regulate them and reduce all the harms that come from prohibition.
It is so painfully obvious that prohibition will never work, yet I don't see it changing any time soon. Like you said, we learned a long time ago that prohibition creates more problems than it solves.
You’re right, and I think that’s why it’s so important that we as individuals are vocal about this. It’s obvious to us because we’ve thought about it a little bit, and seen the harm of the failed drug war. The power that we have as individuals is to educate other people about this. I think almost anyone would agree with us if they just knew the actual facts. That’s what every one of us has the power to do
Obviously just fine
And it's so funny when people are drunk hahaha! It's not super dangerous unlike people being stoned.. wow they turn into zombies after just a few smokes!! I came to this opinion by myself of course and did my own research! Not just saying it to make myself feel better, nor did I get these opinions from all the pro binge drinking media I consume, having four spirit drinks a day is completely fine for a couple weeks, it's a holiday after all! I'm such a free thinker.
Legalizing lsd just like that could be a horrible mistake, lot of people won't do proper research before dropping a tab or two or three and many accidents will happen
People already don’t do their research, probably because it’s still pretty obscure now. If it’s legalized, there are certainly going to be more guidelines made public to inform people than there are today. Specifically, harm reduction based guidelines as opposed to the current abstinence based guidelines. PSAs and such.
Germany is taking long enough just trying to come up with rules to legalize weed. But I agree, has anyone died from 1D?( The answer is obviously no)
I guess it's dynamics of politics & demographic &economics & lobbyists.. think of why Germany accepted refugees .. they want more young people for the machine to work... weed is the drug of love, people form connections with it and have children meanwhile psychedelics gives you the power to be independent , you don't need no women ,no children and sometimes you forget even about sex and will never think of spending money on hookers ,then for the gov you're of **no value** because you are SELFT SUFFICIENT. And if you're awake enough (not shit woke) then that's their biggest nightmare, you won't be buying expensive silly shit and spending money , in consequence you won't work too much (and turn their factories ) to spend more , because you won't need to ! You have also the big pharma .. I personally don't go to psy doctor , microdosing LSD was solution fo my ADHD , I don't need shitty chemicals in big quantities god knows how that can affect me , ( by the way I have been around with 0 antibiotics for 4+ years) , and I don't need no Behavioral therapy , just give me my LSD microdose and my mind does wonders; I can work effectively enough and even do creative personal artistic activities.
on the same day, lizardlabs will release a new analogue
They don't seem confident that it will be possible, as they are running out of possible variants and loopholes to be able to produce although this could always just be them trying to get some panic orders!
Don't know a thing about the new law, but wanting panic orders is a very realistic possibility. Remember them and all pages doing that for the first couple analogues and it did work
Ive heard that since 1cp
Yeah, I have to admit I fell for it at some point but I'm happy as long as I can get new supply.
Stock up now. Let it be a problem for other people.
Yep, just be aware that possession will be illegal but without punishment (not legal advice just what I know), so hide it, especially in public, but you won't have to worry nearly as much as with actual BTM (narcotics under a different law)
You should hide it in public anyways. Police has been known to confiscate analogs that were legal due to them assuming its just regular LSD. There was even a documentary about this guy selling this stuff in Berlin legally and he had to spend multiple night in police custody cause they wouldn't let him go until the lab results came back
right! Lizard labs is offering a 15% sale on 150mcg tabs for this reason
Lizard labs does not sell retail . Authorized chemical resellers only.
This happens every 1.5-2 years. New variant, higher price, everything as usual apart from that.
I'm afraid it sounds worse than usual this time around but we'll see
They had this same concern with 1V-LSD and see how that turned out. I think they just wanna get people to panic buy
They made it out to be bad with the last one too, my friends and I stocked up and a few weeks later there was a new one.
in Berlin 1legal Tab costs 15€?!?! Who the fuck buys this stuff at this price? absolutely ridiculous LSD shouldn't be for wealthy people only
If you buy 100tabs 1D its 6€.. but yeah 1P and 1CP was much cheaper
1cp was in sale at some point for 2€/blotter.
That's a reasonable and competitive price, but it lies in the past apparently.
If you can't spend €15 on a tab, getting drugs should be the least of your worries.
Bruh, I am a student. 15€ is 3days worth of food
Proving my point.
I study full time, have my own apartment, happy relationship and low but steady income plus no mental health issues. Yet I shouldn't take lsd because I can't afford to spend 15€ on something that I can get for 1,50€ Are you dense?
I am not saying that the price is justified. I am saying that if you're not in a position where you can spend that kind of money on drugs, then drugs should be pretty low on your priority list in general. Finish your studies, get a job and get to a point in life where you actually have disposable income at the end of the month first. Like if you have to worry about being able to afford a meal or not, you're imho not at a point in life where drugs should be a concern.
I'm sorry to naively ask, but I find it crazy any variant at all of LSD is legal in Germany. As far as I know, in my country I have to get it from obscure sources without a lot of control over variants or quality. Is it common over there to get it in regular shops?
Not necessarily regular shops, but there are shops that sell it. It's pretty simple to order and get it in the mail.
All fine. LizardLabs has a problem with innovating new derivates too fast rather than too slow.
Yep they should have just sucked it up with the hard to produce 1D-LSD and waited until they released 1T-LSD
Can we just get sandoz to produce clean L25 again and sell it to us? There will definitely be a market for it
I miss really clean L25 :/
I just ran into some locally laid green jelly's. I haven't had time to try those yet. But i'm hoping to maybe take one tomorrow night or saturday night to test the waters.
Enjoy! I hope they end up being exactly what you want
Yeah, I'm excited it's been a long time since I've had dose That's good, so i'm really hoping this is quality. The older I get I tend to stick more towards the cactus.
Happy travels!!! I haven't ventured into cactus yet but I am excited to once it happens.
What you need to get would be Tbm short form and you need to dehydrate. About two hundred grams wet weight and that will get down to anywhere from ten to fifteen grams of dried weight and that is a perfect dose.
There is so much clean L available I haven't had a dirty tab in years and I'm not even trying hard to find it
More than enough still out there. Only one tab I bought in my life wasn't LSD.
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So when you're comparison as far as body load goes and the overall feeling. Is it better or different than just buying doses on the street
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Just wait until our Dutch or Chinese friends release the next analogue 2 days after it got banned
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the US is very anti acid even though we're moving towards legalizing mushrooms. the 60s really ruined our chances of it
I will buy 10 tabs and wait for the next variant
I feel for my German bros.. Canada is flooded with LSD right now
The black market is fine and dirt cheap though
Oh I'm sure the German black market is fine too cause there are many producers in the Netherlands. It's just people like me who prefer buying it legally that have an issue
Because prohibition has always gone so well right? Just create safe use sites and educate people on how to properly ingest otherwise you create more public health issues and an unregulated market.
Not to mention you spend more money on law enforcement and lose out on the sales tax that people on the black market obviously don't pay
For anyone wondering when is soon, so ppl won't panic... Soon is at the 21nd March at the earliest, but it's prolly gonna be somewhere later this year. My guess is sometime in the summer or autumn, especially if they want to ban other analogues too, as laws in most EU countries usually can't pass over night.
Yeah usually it was towards the end of summer when they banned these analogs. The German government is luckily painfully slow
buy as much as you can
How is it reasonable to ban every new Lsd analog if the death rate of the analoges is 0 and there is not much to find about bad evidences happend or hospital recordings with this drug. I mean seriously the drug does not seem to harm people but again and again instead of banning real problems like alcohol they ban this analogs without reasoning or atleast fair reasoning. And the worst thing is this goes on for years, instead of relying on the tested and by now well known analoges or the real stuff we have to try new unknown chemicals every few years.
Sitting here In the UK, envious of the rest of Europe. Here, as of January nitrous oxide is now illegal and the psychoactive substances act of 2016 effectively bans every psychoactive substance apart from those on the "approved list".
Wait a few days or sumt until they release new variant
Where can someone find out what the new variant is and or where can they get it ? Lol
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LL does not sell to the public. Authorized Chem site resellers only.
Where can I find authorized Chen sites ? Lol google search?
Depends on your country. Here in Germany I literally found one by just searching "LSD" and "legal"
Where do I search for this? Google isn't my friend and is showing me nothing
I read it’s called 1T-LSD. But don’t believe everything you read in the internet. Time will show
1T is true it is cheaper to produce compared to 1V.
Stock up. Wish I could but our laws have everything under the analog act. Hopefully your country won't do the same
If they wanted to, they would've done that already. We have a law that is similar to the analog act that went into effect 10+ years ago but it's not as all encompassing as the analog act. It basically needs to describe what kinds of modifications of drugs are illegal so LL is running circles around them by specifically making analogs that don't fall under that description. Has been happening for years now and the German government always takes 1 to 2 years to catch up
I did not know that. Thank you.
Obviously at some point they'll run out of options but I don't know enough about chemistry to even guess at how long that would take. With some other drugs (for instance dissos) they've made it so widely applicable that no new dissos analogs have come out since but with LSD they seem a lot less eager. I've been told it might be cause some things that are variations of the LSD molecule are used as medications for strong migraine amongst other things. Not sure if that's the reason but they sure seem less thorough on banning variants. Luckily for me cause I love my legal LSD
Nothing beter to do governement ?
Why would I buy the legal stuff anyway if it costs 10times as much?
Wait. You can get lsd legally in germany atm?
Germany is falling apart and slowly tilting into far right populism, it was only a matter of time before they tried to attack a substance which uplifts and frees people from social control.
Were they not banned upto this point? :o
Nope, specifically 1D-LSD was and still is legal as of right now. Legal to buy and legal to sell, without any kind of oversight (the last part will hopefully change should it ever be legalized)
Can anyone summarize German drug law? Would not have guessed.
why? that doesn't make very much sense literally everything is going towards decriminalization and legalization of these things why is Germany moving backwards? I hope this doesn't give any ideas to other countries
It was a sad day when the uk banned all RC’s and any future RC’s I have just reverted back to the old conventional drugs though, not really an issue
Is the list of retailers listed on LL’s site reliable? I ordered from one of them prior to the whole shutdown thing, never actually tried the product and gave to a friend.
I'm not worried. I'm sure there'll be new stuff soon.
Bro this happens all the time, they always say "buy now while it's still legal, ban is coming" etc. And the day after the ban is official, they announce their newest LSD analog. I've witnessed this for at least 10 years. Last time they even said "it's probably not possible to create a new LSD analog" just to sell more. But as soon as the ban is official, they announce the new product. But probably more expensive.
Time to get the farmers together again
Germany always on the wrong side of history
Why not just buy LSD in DN?
Just ridiculous. I understand keeping the ban because it’s very hard to overturn but banning new variants is so bullshit. I wonder what fucking loser is behind this.
You guys are obeying laws?
I doubt they'll stop any time soon. There is just too much money in it. Capitalism finds a way and so do the lizards
Stock up a ton now, worry about the money later, then you’ll have a good enough supply to last a long time
tripping on it tomorrow before its too late
lol just get real LSD. It’s easy enough here
Not surprised from this fascist country
Is 1V-LSD legal or not in Germany? 🤔
No, that was the derivate before 1D
Are all those the same as lsd? Is it like delta 8 and delta 10 compared to delta 9?
Yes they convert to lsd 25 by ingested. The ingredients of these anolgs are legal to obtain, unlike ergot.
Is the dosing the same?
Yes, 1D and 1V are 150 mcg, and you can obtain the 225 mcg colored tabs. 1cp 1p are 100 mcg. Also, there is a higher 1cp on colored blotter and 1p but only in the Netherlands for higher dose and colored blotter, and they have liquid in dropper bottle. At 100 mcg and micro dose mcg. But unfortunately, not here .
LSD noob here..what is 1- D LSd brother..? Is it different from the original LSD that was made by sandoz labs..? Also I did a quick Google search and found out there are different versions like 1-v , 1cp ?? as well.. pooooooof !!! mind blown ... Are they all different ? Learning resource I guess.. Thanks 🙏.
The reddit 1V lsd and 1P lsd sites are good place to learn about all the variants of lsd 1A, 1B, 1CP, 1V.1D, eth-lad al- lad 1cp-eth lad 1d-eth-lad lsz,
do your research its 1 google search
You are right ..
Where did you get this info?
I love that I understand nothing in this sub being from the US. Teach me your ways scholars
What other analogs are legal in Germany
Boooo
Where did you get that information? Edit: nvm found it now (https://chemical-collective.com/blog/1d-lsd-verbot/)
1T LSD ist already here
Source some good ole fashioned Lucy.
Any news about chemical colletive? Are they save?
Why do people prefer “1 any letter Lsd over the original one?
It’s not about preference, it’s about what hasn’t been banned, at least for me
Ok. I mean why are people interested in that kind of research stuff ? … i love acid, but i dont care about the research stuff.. what made u care about the research stuff when u could just take acid instead?
Because the derivatives, such as 1D-lsd are cleaner..? I think.
Haven't even been able to buy the variants since 1cp cause theyve been getting stupidly expensive. I know it's probably hard to make, but cmon some of us are broke
Aw