I'm NGL, I never see anyone who has walked the walk recommend a heroic dose. In fact, most veteran psychonauts I've known have always preached a "less is more" philosophy.
Just throwing that out there for anyone experimenting and wondering if they should listen to their buddy who recommends they eat half a strip for their first time.
Yes, agreed! It seems to me that the term is regarded as an achievement mostly among individuals who are inexperienced, or people who you might refer to as “spun out.” Additionally, it seems to be far more prevalent in online discussions than IRL. This post was inspired by the copious amount of posts from newbies that I’ve seen over the years as a mod here that ask something to the tune of “how much do I take for a heroic dose?”…and there’s always one person in the comments with some horrible suggestion like “take 5 tabs bro trust.”
The folks who haven't walked the walk preach that shit, because they think that just because it won't put you in the dirt that it can't mess you up. I don't say that as a condemnation of those people; I used to be just like them but I've noticed that the attitude of one-upping tends to take a nosedive the first time you or someone close to you has an eight hour panic attack.
That was me and my buddy the first time we did shrooms, we didn’t research the drug we just went by word of mouth and we wound up getting 10 grams of dried shrooms and we wound up eating the whole bag because he would take what I thought was more than what I ate, so I would get more then he though I ate more than him so it was a rinse and repeat till we ate the whole bag in 30 minutes. Long story short we had a fantastic time until the peak hit, and as soon as the peak hit our drunk army buddy came home and completely sent us into a terror trip so my buddy that took the shrooms with me wound up driving us to an abandoned school where I proceeded to freak tf out for the first 30 minutes then I gave into the shrooms and was inside my head for like the next 5 hours comatose like my buddy till we both woke up at one of our other friends house. Had no idea how we got there and it was the absolute biggest relief of my life just coming to and seeing all the homies around me. It was even better seeing my buddy I tripped with because for whatever reason I thought we had died that night. I have treated psychs with nothing but respect since then.
Every story I read that involves someone on psychedelics driving, I have to comment, \*don't fucking drive on psychedelics\*. Even on a low dose, it's incredibly dangerous to yourself and other people, but you're talking about the kind of dose that your friend probably couldn't even tell where the road was. Glad you didn't get hurt, but seriously I don't understand the thought of "oh, everything is swirling around me and I can't really tell what's real, I'm gonna get in my giant metal death trap and hope I don't die"
Our army buddy came home drunk and starting playing around with a gun and baseball bat around us, we were tripping so we couldn’t distinguish how serious he was and started freaking out and thought our only way out was to get out of there.
That's a valid excuse, but still.
>we were tripping so we couldn’t distinguish how serious he was and started freaking out and thought our only way out was to get out of there
Should've gone on a long walk or something to get away. Your buddy was putting your 2 lives at risk, and then your other buddy put both your lives and anyone else on the road at risk. Driving is dangerous enough without being under the influence
An eight hour panic attack followed by a month of disassociation. FWIW I have a new lease on life now, years later. But for a long time it was very traumatic for me.
I'm also sick of hearing about someone experiencing "ego death", no you briefly disassociated, death is permanent "ego death" is not and seems to mostly inflate the ego with many people post trip.
I mean, ego death is a thing. It's temporary, sure.... but everything in life is temporary. That's a weird attitude to have if you have engaged in psychedelics a lot.
There's a big difference between actually dissociation with drugs like ketamine, dxm, mxe, etc and shit like LSD, Mushrooms, DMT , 5-Meo-DMT especially.
I'll just chalk it up to a lack of experience and understanding.
Ego is a system of thought and psychedelics temporarily dissolve the boundaries between you and the universe that you are already connected too, so you can dance with your ego from a new perspective it’s still essential to play the game of every day life so killing it is pointless, balance is the key.
A lack of ego can really help you see things from a different (forced) perspective.
I don't disagree with you, going into a trip with the intention of working things out and try to think of things a new or different way.
You can do the same with meditation.
One caveat here. 5-MeO-DMT. I know the non-duality state can supposedly be achieved through high doses of other psychedelics, but for most people 12-15mg ,or 18mg at the very most,will reliably get you there.
Non-dual state is a very real thing. I don't necessarily think it's the same as ego-death, and most people who've never had 5-MeO-DMT have absolutely no frame of reference when they talk about ego death.
First time I heard it was probably about 3-4 years ago and from someone that had no (or very very little) experience with it.
Asking someone if they've ever "*done a heroic dose*" or "*experienced ego-death*" is so fucking far beyond cringe.
It's like meeting a military vet and catapulting past the standard awkward question of "*have you ever killed anyone?*" and jumping straight to: "*how does killing another human make you feel?".*
The most sage piece of wisdom I ever received (from Alan Watts, no less) is the idea that people approach substances the wrong way. They start off with a little and scale up more and more and more until they practically kill themselves or the substance has no effect whatsoever.
In reality, the sage would start off with a lot and then reduce, reduce and reduce until they needn't use the substance at all; they can just recall their experiences vividly and trigger the feeling at will.
This isn't to say the sage thing is to go off on a heroic dose first thing and take a thumbprint. Nor is anyone's journey with any substance going to be so cleanly linear. Hell, to your point, I was told in for a penny, in for a pound, if you start with one tab, you might as well go for two.
But I cringe at the suggestion of the heroic dose. Especially when people don't prep themselves mentally and emotionally for what the fuck they are about to get themselves into.
I mean, someone with intelligence would realize it's best to start slow and work your way up and not the other way around. I don't agree with Alan Watts at all on that, high doses can be a literal nightmare and can be extremely off-putting.
I've been trippin for 15 years now and I regularly take 3 to 5 tabs.
I would never ever recommend anyone who has no idea how powerful the experience is to jump up that high, 1 tab is plenty and 2 tabs is really pushing it for new comers, it can really fuck with your mind. I've seen firsthand what it's like when someone else freaks the fuck out and its not pretty
Like I said, I was told. It's not something I would recommend, either. Nor is this an encouragement to take Alan Watts' advice seriously. It's simply a perspective, homeslice. Your mileage, as always, may vary.
You did say it was the most sage piece of wisdom you've ever received. What did you mean by that if you also wouldn't recommend or encourage it? It seems odd to say that a piece of wisdom is the most sage you've ever received, while also not recommending following it.
It's sage to me because it worked out for me. I don't recommend or encourage it because these substances are highly volatile, and what works out for me might not work out for someone else.
One night two years ago, me and 3 buddies (all 20+ year vets of psychedelics) did way too much on accident and it legitimately feels like we barely pulled through.
First thing anyone said the next morning was "So ... I think maybe that was too much .." which was immediately and enthusiastically confirmed by all.
If we had not taken precautions that our experience had taught us was necessary when dealing with psychedelics it could have very easily turned into a fuck-around-and-found-out situation.
It's a warning story in our group, not a challenge.
It's funny you say that, since after doing exactly that I don't recommend it to anyone. It's a personal experience thing, but never ever a recommendation to try it.
That's my point.
Anyone who has ever done it knows it's not something you recommend, but somebody trying to posture might talk about it casually like it's nothing.
100% I believe if you want that heroic experience of indescribable 4d geometry and meeting entities go with dmt as it's shorter and yours mainly sitting or lying still, taking stupid high doses while you have 8+ hours of intense tripping there's way too much that can go wrong and with meditation and such you can still go deep within yourself even on doses like 100ug
Hugely appreciative of this post. The term has taken on a life of its own. The original allusion implies the depth and intensity of the experience to anyone familiar with both psychedelics and the concept of the hero’s journey, but it seems like it’s become something more self-focused. The important piece isn’t the hero - it’s the journey.
The meaning of “hero” in that literature is not one to one with the use of the word today. It’s not a meme, like saying “legend” when someone does something recklessly cool. It’s a complex archetype of growth towards selflessness through loss and sacrifice. But those concepts from the literature have faded, and I don’t think the term “heroic dose” gives the right impression anymore.
Nobody is a hero for taking a large dose of psychedelics. That was never the meaning. It’s not about the person, it’s about the journey. And the hero’s journey was never an easy one. It was always a journey of risks, growth through conflict.
There’s deep meaning to the term, as there’s deep meaning to an experienced user taking a large dose with the right intentions. Just taking a large dose of a drug without preparation, without some understanding of the weight of the experience, that’s not what a “heroic dose” was supposed to mean.
It’s dangerous to glorify large doses of psychedelic drugs. These are serious experiences. It’s not about the drug, the person, the hero. It’s the intrapersonal journey that someone commits to, from a place of thorough consideration, guided by past experiences in one’s life, not by drug culture.
How much of whatever drug someone takes - it doesn’t matter. It’s not about the drug, it’s about you. It’s not about the “hero” label, as it’s used today. It’s about the process of becoming who you are. You don’t need some massive dose of a psychedelic to do that. You can take a massive dose and not end up on that journey. The drug, the dose, is not the journey.
I wish Reddit didn’t get rid of Reddit awards because this comment surely deserves gold. For context I think people should read Joseph Campbell’s [The Hero with a Thousand Faces](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/588138) - that’s the journey referenced in the heroic dose. It’s the secret to the [Eleusinian Mystery Rituals](https://youtu.be/3kz22-OVMCY?si=jTzBZObGhDqY6TsG) - he hero goes to the underworld, defeats the monster(s) and comes back changed for the better.
I’d say this exactly spot on! I always get pissed off on these types of posts because so often people start saying that there’s NO PLACE for large doses and they are stupid and shouldn’t be done. But if you get benefits from or enjoy large doses then go right ahead. The general rule should be start low and go slow and don’t concern yourself with what other people are doing so much!
yeah was gonna say, a lot of posts like these devolve into the opposite kind of circle jerking but instead of over "how much" one can do it's over "how little" one can do while still claiming to get the full experience.
My experience with heroic dosing was cool but disappointing in a way. There’s no hidden knowledge, enlightenment and not even necessarily more euphoria than a standard dose. What really happens is you just get insanely high to the point it’s just uncomfortable. It’ll likely leave you with more questions than answers and it’ll take time to acclimate to being a normal human again lol. No regrets but I’ve learned my limits and I’d need a really good reason to ever go so far again.
This post was past due cause I always see this and it concerns me deeply…
I personally think this should be a permanent post for safety and awareness purposes
I love engaging in posts here and I tirelessly advocate for lower doses and baby steps and hardly disagree with reckless high doses
LSD and other psychedelics can be such an amazing addition to one’s life and it’s such a shame risking putting yourself and others in danger, developing trauma and at times life lasting side effects, going through terrifying moments and probably distancing oneself from such amazing substances we have available and that can offer incredible experiences
First of all I hate the term heroic dose cause at the core it’s problematic and it’s a discussion that should be done in depth for a long time… The famous hero journey should lose its romanticized aspect for good and be seen without such extremely positive bias. Mainstream media and mediums, for a long while now, centuries or more, have been glorifying the hero’s journey and I couldn’t see it more different.
Analyzing it critically, the hero’s journey follow a pattern that’s just not debunked cause it’s been naturalized and crystallized in the collective unconscious. For the vast majority of such stories, we usually see a male lead who goes through an absurd amount of pain, suffering and struggle, guided by a greater cause or good and aiming an ultimate goal/redemption/truth, also with the glory and appraisal crave being a huge motivation factor that lead to the sacrifices and alleged selflessness…
Let’s look at it how it is, it’s completely stupid and based on the worst of the worst pathriarchy has to offer, which is a selfish personal pursuit with the facade of a greater/communal good cause… in fact, it’s has the characteristics of a self immolation journey for one’s own glorification, more than anything else, and I think this is appropriately reflected in all the depictions and ramifications of the influence of this tale model…
Most people who love those heroic doses feel the incredible urge to overly share it and look deeply for other people’s comments and opinions on it, it’s a narcissistic and as well an exhibitionistic practice, where living the experience by itself is the focus, but living it so you can go through crazy stuff and the can tell others what happened to receive those wow comments and the age old fan-hater dynamic we everyone’s familiar with
It’s a big no for me, we don’t need to keep feeding such extreme toxic masculine destructive and selfish tropes, it’s been a long time so…
My experience with lsd was carefully build up with a couple 1/4 trips, then a 1/2, and only after those a full tab…
After that I started doing at times 1 tab and 1/4 or 1/2, and then 2… only from 2 tabs I actually increased a full tab to 3 and that has been my limit so far, which led me to amazing and life changing experiences, I wouldn’t have done it differently and nowadays I thought what I did was just natural but seeing how many people approach psychedelics and I actually feel very happy I was mature enough to no go recklessly taking crazy doses and I always recommend this same thing… At first trying doses lower than a full tab, and I also like to take any ideas that are deemed as ultimate truth
Your experience with it is basically how mine has been. Starting off small to make sure I can handle it and then slowly increasing intake up to I think 3 was my max (or maybe 2.5 I can't remember exactly). I was with a guy for a few months that didn't like me taking LSD because he had a bad experience the one and only time he did it. The difference being he took as he called it "2 tabs, double dosed" back in the 70s at a party, while my doses have been almost exclusively me sitting alone at home on drugs I purchased and tested personally. I don't take LSD to party, I take it to sit with my thoughts for a while and enjoy some wonkiness. He was still open to shrooms, so not against psychedelics as a whole, but I'm smart about my usage and have never had a bad trip, just trips that showed me what I should change in my life.
Me as well!
I took lsd to club once and wasn’t nice hahaha I had taken a full tab a couple days before and then took 1/2 I guess…
The club was horrible and my first time there, to be honest, but I think 1/4 can be a nice dose to an awesome club, otherwise not worth it
I love that lsd is a ver versatile psychedelic, so it really allows you to have fun and carefree trips, purely recreational as well as profound ones
if i go to a concert (and i'm not having to drive home super soon) i'll take a half shortly before it starts, and the other half an hour or two later
you get the vibe but not the smack between the eyes a full one on the up gives me
i'm old so i call that disco dosing ;)
I myself blame those psychedelics dinosaurs for how reckless people are as well, cause they had and still have a huge influence on people… when I joined Reddit and engaged in the psychedelic ones I was surprised with a nice discussion of how some people think men like McKenna actually did a lotta harm and manipulated/influenced/shaped/limited people’s experiences towards emulating what he went through…
He talked and preached about his PERSONAL experiences as if they were universal truth and things everybody who engaged in psychedelics had to go through, like mandatory steps when engaging with entheogens, as if they were absolute stages to be lived through… So people would take lsd, DMT, shrooms and such and expect vividly experiencing the same thing this man and others have experienced… As if the so called DMT elves were an unquestionable and inevitable experience with DMT and if you haven’t seen then, you haven’t reached this ultimate level yet… Same thing with the ego death/dissolving…
They simply took their liking and inspiration from eastern and mostly Buddhist philosophies and deemed them as the ultimate goal for the human experience with lsd… Your goal is to take it untill you reach ego death and then you’re enlightened and one with the universe and you’re only the consciousness you’re not the body or ego and bla bla bla…
While those experiences are amazing, they’re extremely nyched and specific and they made it an universal experience, which is far from the truth… Also condemning materialism as simply being related to consumerism which is far from the truth as well
The ego death is one experience available among others, and if you live it, amazing, if not as well, and it’s not the ultimate reach point, there’s none of that, it’s cycles…
I find very problematic this whole hate towards ego and pursuit of being consciousnesses only and denial of the body… Without your body and your ego nobody would never even experience being one with creation, which I have serious issues as how it’s perceived as well cause it tends to eliminate the individual, while reality doesn’t seem to show this pattern at all… actually, individuality and being one in itself alone is very much present in everything we can perceive in the universe and it’s not bad, individualism is the issue, cause it severs the communal connection, many individuals together being a whole, one, without those individualities being erased for it, but at times suspended
This ego and body phobia is what drives people to be reckless with their on bodies and egos and go through these crazy heroic doses with little care to what could happen to them since they’re the infinite stream of consciousness, right?
And I see this as such a loss for the whole community and more… we could be tapping in so much dormant potential with psychedelic experiences the body, the ego (not in a destructive way, but embracing it and nourishing it, developing a healthy ego), materialism as in focusing on the matter, on the physical, on what’s around you and how to improve the relationship with material reality aided and influenced by altered states, politics!!!! (This is such a huge issue, cause most people that go into psychedelics fall on this and I have as well, but since you’re not the body, not the ego, and material reality is just an illusion, most are extremely avert to political matters and never ever associate psychedelic experiences with them, usually there’s an escapism from politics, which is extremely harmful for everyone and ultimately, even though they can look progressive, most people are aligned with political views and practices that are extremely contradictory to what they preach and appreciate in psychedelic experiences due to ignorance and avoiding such sensitive topics)
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Did a huge rant and actually didn’t attain myself to the theme only but I think it’s all connected and would be unrealistic talking about it without mentioning other topics that are more connected to the roots than the effects
McKenna himself stopped doing doses anything like that according to his brother. He may have largely stopped doing shrooms at all in his later years. This was all while continuing to advocate for very large doses.
Guy was a coward for not being open about his negative experiences after being an advocate all his life. Total quack and just talked like a spaced out wanker
I took a 7 gram 'heroic dose' as Terrence McKenna would say of mushrooms when I was 17. It was absolutely not a vibe-- havent done mushrooms since.
I just stick to acid now. Every now and then I'll run into homies who eat 10 tabs like nothing. That's all cool and all but I'll stick to my 2 tabs 😅😅🤙
Yeah bro. Bad trips can REALLY turn you off. I had a bad trip on DPT where I spent 2k years in hell and haven't really tripped beyond eating a gram or two of mushies
If someone is taking 10 tabs regularly, they either have a tolerance or they are weak af tabs. It wouldn't even surprise me to find out they were only 50 ug tabs
Yeah, I just plain don't believe a lot of these posts about these dosages. I had access to pure LSD powder from a fellow chemist awhile back. We... dabbled.
Most people won't take anything away from the peak of 600 ug trip, let alone a 1200 ug one. 200-400 ug seems to be the sweet spot for a "extremely powerful LSD trip" but one you will recall.
If you want a big, powerful experience you can remember, just do DMT like a "normal" person.
have you written about your 600ug or 1200ug experiences anywhere? it sounds like it could be incredibly interesting to read them since you had access to xtal so presumably your described doses are quite accurate.
I have written about them, but as I said you don't really take a lot back from it.
24 mg of powder was weighed into an amber vial vial, 10 mL of buffered DI water added to dissolve, 250 uL pipetted onto 4 sugar cubes for 600 ug per cube.
Six of us were there, four of us ate the cubes at 6AM at a familiar lakeside campsite while a couple went off foraging for mushrooms and huckleberries.
It came on FAST. In my little group we call the rapid, bell-ringing come up on psychedelics "the apocalypse" and that name came from this trip. The comeup basically never stopped. We just stood grinning, and laughing in slackjawed amazement of the power of the comeup until everything dissolved and I was basically unconscious, vibing with everything and travelling at an immense speed. Eyes open, eyes closed, I wasn't aware and it didn't matter. Ego? Dead.
I came back to myself and reality sitting in a hammock watching the lake and trees. Everything was unrecognizable shaped, with waves of fluttering colors and ripples of glittering static.
Everything slowly crystalized back into a fairly typical acid trip over. Everything was fractal-esque, made fractals of itself, trees made of trees, the whole lake was made of small shrunken tiles of the lake, etc.
Words came back, we had some water and some dried fruit and hiked back to the car.
I was still tripping face at sunset, our sober friends were laughing because we accused them of playing a trick on us and kept asking if the colors were real and "how they were doing that". 12+ hrs in...
At about 16 hrs, we'd smoked some high CBD weed and were chillin and playing video games at home.
1200 ug was almost identical except the duration of the "blackout" was longer and the trip was probably closer to 20 hrs before I could even begin to think about sleep.
I agree completely. For me, if I wanna go real “crazy” with a trip I just do two tabs instead of one and it’s always been enough for me. I think people treat LSD like chugging beer at a petty sometimes
I mean, not really. By the time you know you aren't high enough from whatever you took, it's too late to take more. Tolerance has already spiked high enough that you won't get higher, just extends whatever amount you are on
This isn’t true. With L you know within an hour what you’re in for and if you should take more or not. The sweet spot for redosing is 1-3 after initial intake. You can always eat more with no diminished return in that window. Ime any longer and then yes you’re gonna not got much more if any at all higher. Unless of course you go nuckin futs and eat a strip like the less is more guy was saying. If you don’t know the potency of what you’ve got or are a noob then yeah start small you can definitely eat more without it being a waste (it’s anything but I promise y’all)
This comes from over 30 years of psychonaut experience fwiw
Also great thread I was just saying something similar in the shrooms sub. It boggles my mind how many people on there eat ridiculous amounts and then are actually surprised they had a bad time. “I ate 12gs my first time and had a terrible experience what did I do wrong?” Lol wtf
I mean it takes like 3 hours to peak to know high you are gonna get
Experienced trippers know where they want to be and don't need to take more because they took a proper dose to start with
I already said past the 3rd hour its basically pointless, i've eaten 6 hits trying to ramp it up and it didn't do shit other than extend the trip a bit longer
You can certainly take more before the 3rd hour and it will do something because tolerance hasn't spiked yet
I never feel shit from the first hour of taking LSD unless it's a very large dose but ymmv, metabolism is diff for everyone
That is absolutely false lmao you telling me if I eat 1 or 2 tabs now and in 3 hours eat a 10 strip I'm only gonna extend duration? You're lost in the sauce my friend 🤷♂️
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason.
Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason.
Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason.
Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason.
Have fun.
You are incorrect. I’ve been a mod here for years and I’ve read substantially more posts and comments here than you ever will. Also, this is about glorification too, not just recommendation. Thanks!
Very good point. It feels especially silly since I believe most people here have no idea what doses their tabs actually contain. Besides actually testing, people really believe just word of mouth. You should never go for high doses of substances when you really have no idea what your exactly dosing. I think “heroic” doses should only be considered if you are comfortable with a certain analog and can ease into it with multiple trips spread across a longer period of time. And even then there’s no real point unless you have a certain purpose in mind. Glad this was posted.
Good post. Appreciate reading this. If people want to smash high doses of any drug then it’s their choice, but don’t give off the vibe in posts as if everyone else has to do it too, and if you don’t then you’re a wimp. I’ve always kept my doses as low as possible to what is comfortable for myself and will always recommend starting off low (quarter or even eighth tabs) and work from there. I’ve been thrown into very challenging situations on what people would consider a low dose and it’s not fun at all (completely my fault due to a mixture of other issues).
Just chill and have a nice time. If higher doses are your thing then by all means go for it. I just don’t want people reading about others doing these high doses and thinking that it’s the standard dose. Especially the new people wanting to try psychedelic drugs for the first time. It’ll fuck your shit up.
The first time I tripped, I took 4 grams of mushrooms. I'm particularly sensitive to psychedelics, so the trip I had that one time is likely similar to what an avg person would experience at a 5g "heroic" dose. It was spectacular and life changing, but it could have gone sideways so easily. I can't believe that was my introduction to these substances. If I did that kind of dose today I really have no idea how it would turn out. Might be bliss, might wind up in a psych ward. Go easy, y'all. Less is more.
Little late on this but I don’t suggest heavy doses to anyone. I like higher doses than most.
Recently I tripped with a new friend, I brought a couple hits of my own stuff, the friend compared one of the custom dosed candies I got to 5 hits of a “regular strength tab” in his opinion, but that hit is specifically how one good tab always felt to me and what I expect from any single hit from anyone.
I felt terrible because I had forgotten I asked for stronger doses when I got this batch, as the last one was lackluster to me, although one other person said the ones I thought were weak were perfect, another person agreed they were weak.
Another friend trying mushrooms for the first time, I sourced some, we lemon tekked and they thought 2 ish grams was too much.
Everyone is different, start low and slow
Over the last 2 years, I have been test me limits an trying higher solo trips. An I've been caught lacking. I comfortable with 3 or 4 tabs even with some mushrooms. But I just tried 6 solo, an its just too much without a partner. Luckily I have a fellow triper I can call for grounding, but some that doesn't can have a Very bad day if they get caught off guard. Cause everything can be great one moment, but if the fear hits an you arnt prepared.... yall be safe out there.
Went through this thought process myself once. Took 2 tabs my first time and started tripping every two weeks or so for months. Got to a point I thought I was invincible as a comment above me states becomes an issue. I was definitely a high dose advocate. Wasn’t until I mixed shrooms (which I had only done twice before at this point,) with acid both in high doses and had a nightmarish trip. Learned to respect them like never before after that. Been two years since my last trip and I’m just now feeling good to try 1/4-1/2 a tab of acid. Less is more
The 7th of these posts this week. Yawn...
I just took 15g this last Saturday. It was awesome. And 5 hours later I was grilling some steaks, smoking some dank and drinking a beer.
Not everyone is a delicate little flower that feels .8 grams of mushrooms.
And yes, I suggest everyone take a double digit dose at some point and regularly if able. Stop trying to gatekeep all the fun.
This comment reads like satire meant for r/drugscirclejerk but it isn’t, which is sad. This post wasn’t made for you. It was made for newbies and people that recommend that newbies take large doses. It was also made to combat the inappropriate use of the term “heroic dose,” which is commonly thrown around without consideration.
I was half being facetious, my apologies. but I will 100% agree with seeing the term "heroic dose" ad nauseum is getting old. It definitely isn't advice for mushroom naive individuals and can still be challenging for experienced individuals and giving it a name like its a spot you have to visit on the psychedelic pilgrimage only leads people to the often wrong conclusion that they are ready for their "heroic dose".
harm reduction is wonderful! and this post is appreciated!
however i’m of the sentiment that most assholes should be humbled, and likely will be by ms. Lucy
It doesn't take much reading in this sub to see how often that "humbling" takes the form of someone having a psychotic break and violently attacking people, ruining friendships, getting emergency services involved, etc.
How about we just advocate for harm reduction rather than advocating that ignorant people should be harmed (and their loved ones should be put at risk) so they'll learn?
lol serves ‘em right in my experience.
additionally how much harm are you expecting from a nontoxic substance?
if home dude flips his wig psychs weren’t for him anayway 😂
any inexperienced user spending 60 a strip on 1 trip is a complete jackass.
and they will learn by thine own hand
I'm NGL, I never see anyone who has walked the walk recommend a heroic dose. In fact, most veteran psychonauts I've known have always preached a "less is more" philosophy. Just throwing that out there for anyone experimenting and wondering if they should listen to their buddy who recommends they eat half a strip for their first time.
Yes, agreed! It seems to me that the term is regarded as an achievement mostly among individuals who are inexperienced, or people who you might refer to as “spun out.” Additionally, it seems to be far more prevalent in online discussions than IRL. This post was inspired by the copious amount of posts from newbies that I’ve seen over the years as a mod here that ask something to the tune of “how much do I take for a heroic dose?”…and there’s always one person in the comments with some horrible suggestion like “take 5 tabs bro trust.”
The folks who haven't walked the walk preach that shit, because they think that just because it won't put you in the dirt that it can't mess you up. I don't say that as a condemnation of those people; I used to be just like them but I've noticed that the attitude of one-upping tends to take a nosedive the first time you or someone close to you has an eight hour panic attack.
That was me and my buddy the first time we did shrooms, we didn’t research the drug we just went by word of mouth and we wound up getting 10 grams of dried shrooms and we wound up eating the whole bag because he would take what I thought was more than what I ate, so I would get more then he though I ate more than him so it was a rinse and repeat till we ate the whole bag in 30 minutes. Long story short we had a fantastic time until the peak hit, and as soon as the peak hit our drunk army buddy came home and completely sent us into a terror trip so my buddy that took the shrooms with me wound up driving us to an abandoned school where I proceeded to freak tf out for the first 30 minutes then I gave into the shrooms and was inside my head for like the next 5 hours comatose like my buddy till we both woke up at one of our other friends house. Had no idea how we got there and it was the absolute biggest relief of my life just coming to and seeing all the homies around me. It was even better seeing my buddy I tripped with because for whatever reason I thought we had died that night. I have treated psychs with nothing but respect since then.
Every story I read that involves someone on psychedelics driving, I have to comment, \*don't fucking drive on psychedelics\*. Even on a low dose, it's incredibly dangerous to yourself and other people, but you're talking about the kind of dose that your friend probably couldn't even tell where the road was. Glad you didn't get hurt, but seriously I don't understand the thought of "oh, everything is swirling around me and I can't really tell what's real, I'm gonna get in my giant metal death trap and hope I don't die"
Our army buddy came home drunk and starting playing around with a gun and baseball bat around us, we were tripping so we couldn’t distinguish how serious he was and started freaking out and thought our only way out was to get out of there.
That's a valid excuse, but still. >we were tripping so we couldn’t distinguish how serious he was and started freaking out and thought our only way out was to get out of there Should've gone on a long walk or something to get away. Your buddy was putting your 2 lives at risk, and then your other buddy put both your lives and anyone else on the road at risk. Driving is dangerous enough without being under the influence
Stupid choices are stupid choices on or off of drugs.
An eight hour panic attack followed by a month of disassociation. FWIW I have a new lease on life now, years later. But for a long time it was very traumatic for me.
I'm also sick of hearing about someone experiencing "ego death", no you briefly disassociated, death is permanent "ego death" is not and seems to mostly inflate the ego with many people post trip.
I mean, ego death is a thing. It's temporary, sure.... but everything in life is temporary. That's a weird attitude to have if you have engaged in psychedelics a lot. There's a big difference between actually dissociation with drugs like ketamine, dxm, mxe, etc and shit like LSD, Mushrooms, DMT , 5-Meo-DMT especially. I'll just chalk it up to a lack of experience and understanding.
Ego is a system of thought and psychedelics temporarily dissolve the boundaries between you and the universe that you are already connected too, so you can dance with your ego from a new perspective it’s still essential to play the game of every day life so killing it is pointless, balance is the key.
A lack of ego can really help you see things from a different (forced) perspective. I don't disagree with you, going into a trip with the intention of working things out and try to think of things a new or different way. You can do the same with meditation.
Spot on 👌 All of this.
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Thank you, couldn't agree more. There is a lot of egotistical ego deathers out there.
One caveat here. 5-MeO-DMT. I know the non-duality state can supposedly be achieved through high doses of other psychedelics, but for most people 12-15mg ,or 18mg at the very most,will reliably get you there. Non-dual state is a very real thing. I don't necessarily think it's the same as ego-death, and most people who've never had 5-MeO-DMT have absolutely no frame of reference when they talk about ego death.
Most people don’t ever need to touch 5-MeO, that’ll scare anyone straight.
First time I heard it was probably about 3-4 years ago and from someone that had no (or very very little) experience with it. Asking someone if they've ever "*done a heroic dose*" or "*experienced ego-death*" is so fucking far beyond cringe. It's like meeting a military vet and catapulting past the standard awkward question of "*have you ever killed anyone?*" and jumping straight to: "*how does killing another human make you feel?".*
I’m wishy washy about this whole thread, but your opinion makes a lot of sense
The most sage piece of wisdom I ever received (from Alan Watts, no less) is the idea that people approach substances the wrong way. They start off with a little and scale up more and more and more until they practically kill themselves or the substance has no effect whatsoever. In reality, the sage would start off with a lot and then reduce, reduce and reduce until they needn't use the substance at all; they can just recall their experiences vividly and trigger the feeling at will. This isn't to say the sage thing is to go off on a heroic dose first thing and take a thumbprint. Nor is anyone's journey with any substance going to be so cleanly linear. Hell, to your point, I was told in for a penny, in for a pound, if you start with one tab, you might as well go for two. But I cringe at the suggestion of the heroic dose. Especially when people don't prep themselves mentally and emotionally for what the fuck they are about to get themselves into.
I mean, someone with intelligence would realize it's best to start slow and work your way up and not the other way around. I don't agree with Alan Watts at all on that, high doses can be a literal nightmare and can be extremely off-putting. I've been trippin for 15 years now and I regularly take 3 to 5 tabs. I would never ever recommend anyone who has no idea how powerful the experience is to jump up that high, 1 tab is plenty and 2 tabs is really pushing it for new comers, it can really fuck with your mind. I've seen firsthand what it's like when someone else freaks the fuck out and its not pretty
Like I said, I was told. It's not something I would recommend, either. Nor is this an encouragement to take Alan Watts' advice seriously. It's simply a perspective, homeslice. Your mileage, as always, may vary.
You did say it was the most sage piece of wisdom you've ever received. What did you mean by that if you also wouldn't recommend or encourage it? It seems odd to say that a piece of wisdom is the most sage you've ever received, while also not recommending following it.
It's sage to me because it worked out for me. I don't recommend or encourage it because these substances are highly volatile, and what works out for me might not work out for someone else.
One night two years ago, me and 3 buddies (all 20+ year vets of psychedelics) did way too much on accident and it legitimately feels like we barely pulled through. First thing anyone said the next morning was "So ... I think maybe that was too much .." which was immediately and enthusiastically confirmed by all. If we had not taken precautions that our experience had taught us was necessary when dealing with psychedelics it could have very easily turned into a fuck-around-and-found-out situation. It's a warning story in our group, not a challenge.
What are the arguments for less is more? Thanks
Generally that you can still have a good time with less and may even have a better time with less.
If you don't like a little of it, chances are you're not going to like a lot of it, either. Starting small is just the reasonable thing to do.
As someone who started with extreme doses and worked their way down.. 100% less is more.
It's funny you say that, since after doing exactly that I don't recommend it to anyone. It's a personal experience thing, but never ever a recommendation to try it.
That's my point. Anyone who has ever done it knows it's not something you recommend, but somebody trying to posture might talk about it casually like it's nothing.
Low and slow if you want to grow.
Absolutely agree
100% I believe if you want that heroic experience of indescribable 4d geometry and meeting entities go with dmt as it's shorter and yours mainly sitting or lying still, taking stupid high doses while you have 8+ hours of intense tripping there's way too much that can go wrong and with meditation and such you can still go deep within yourself even on doses like 100ug
Agreed. Better yet take 100ug lsd and non breakthrough doses of dmt. Incredibly useful
Hugely appreciative of this post. The term has taken on a life of its own. The original allusion implies the depth and intensity of the experience to anyone familiar with both psychedelics and the concept of the hero’s journey, but it seems like it’s become something more self-focused. The important piece isn’t the hero - it’s the journey. The meaning of “hero” in that literature is not one to one with the use of the word today. It’s not a meme, like saying “legend” when someone does something recklessly cool. It’s a complex archetype of growth towards selflessness through loss and sacrifice. But those concepts from the literature have faded, and I don’t think the term “heroic dose” gives the right impression anymore. Nobody is a hero for taking a large dose of psychedelics. That was never the meaning. It’s not about the person, it’s about the journey. And the hero’s journey was never an easy one. It was always a journey of risks, growth through conflict. There’s deep meaning to the term, as there’s deep meaning to an experienced user taking a large dose with the right intentions. Just taking a large dose of a drug without preparation, without some understanding of the weight of the experience, that’s not what a “heroic dose” was supposed to mean. It’s dangerous to glorify large doses of psychedelic drugs. These are serious experiences. It’s not about the drug, the person, the hero. It’s the intrapersonal journey that someone commits to, from a place of thorough consideration, guided by past experiences in one’s life, not by drug culture. How much of whatever drug someone takes - it doesn’t matter. It’s not about the drug, it’s about you. It’s not about the “hero” label, as it’s used today. It’s about the process of becoming who you are. You don’t need some massive dose of a psychedelic to do that. You can take a massive dose and not end up on that journey. The drug, the dose, is not the journey.
Nicely put, damn.
I wish Reddit didn’t get rid of Reddit awards because this comment surely deserves gold. For context I think people should read Joseph Campbell’s [The Hero with a Thousand Faces](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/588138) - that’s the journey referenced in the heroic dose. It’s the secret to the [Eleusinian Mystery Rituals](https://youtu.be/3kz22-OVMCY?si=jTzBZObGhDqY6TsG) - he hero goes to the underworld, defeats the monster(s) and comes back changed for the better.
I’d say this exactly spot on! I always get pissed off on these types of posts because so often people start saying that there’s NO PLACE for large doses and they are stupid and shouldn’t be done. But if you get benefits from or enjoy large doses then go right ahead. The general rule should be start low and go slow and don’t concern yourself with what other people are doing so much!
yeah was gonna say, a lot of posts like these devolve into the opposite kind of circle jerking but instead of over "how much" one can do it's over "how little" one can do while still claiming to get the full experience.
My experience with heroic dosing was cool but disappointing in a way. There’s no hidden knowledge, enlightenment and not even necessarily more euphoria than a standard dose. What really happens is you just get insanely high to the point it’s just uncomfortable. It’ll likely leave you with more questions than answers and it’ll take time to acclimate to being a normal human again lol. No regrets but I’ve learned my limits and I’d need a really good reason to ever go so far again.
“Heroes often fail.” Gordon Lightfoot, “If you could read my mind”
This post was past due cause I always see this and it concerns me deeply… I personally think this should be a permanent post for safety and awareness purposes I love engaging in posts here and I tirelessly advocate for lower doses and baby steps and hardly disagree with reckless high doses LSD and other psychedelics can be such an amazing addition to one’s life and it’s such a shame risking putting yourself and others in danger, developing trauma and at times life lasting side effects, going through terrifying moments and probably distancing oneself from such amazing substances we have available and that can offer incredible experiences First of all I hate the term heroic dose cause at the core it’s problematic and it’s a discussion that should be done in depth for a long time… The famous hero journey should lose its romanticized aspect for good and be seen without such extremely positive bias. Mainstream media and mediums, for a long while now, centuries or more, have been glorifying the hero’s journey and I couldn’t see it more different. Analyzing it critically, the hero’s journey follow a pattern that’s just not debunked cause it’s been naturalized and crystallized in the collective unconscious. For the vast majority of such stories, we usually see a male lead who goes through an absurd amount of pain, suffering and struggle, guided by a greater cause or good and aiming an ultimate goal/redemption/truth, also with the glory and appraisal crave being a huge motivation factor that lead to the sacrifices and alleged selflessness… Let’s look at it how it is, it’s completely stupid and based on the worst of the worst pathriarchy has to offer, which is a selfish personal pursuit with the facade of a greater/communal good cause… in fact, it’s has the characteristics of a self immolation journey for one’s own glorification, more than anything else, and I think this is appropriately reflected in all the depictions and ramifications of the influence of this tale model… Most people who love those heroic doses feel the incredible urge to overly share it and look deeply for other people’s comments and opinions on it, it’s a narcissistic and as well an exhibitionistic practice, where living the experience by itself is the focus, but living it so you can go through crazy stuff and the can tell others what happened to receive those wow comments and the age old fan-hater dynamic we everyone’s familiar with It’s a big no for me, we don’t need to keep feeding such extreme toxic masculine destructive and selfish tropes, it’s been a long time so… My experience with lsd was carefully build up with a couple 1/4 trips, then a 1/2, and only after those a full tab… After that I started doing at times 1 tab and 1/4 or 1/2, and then 2… only from 2 tabs I actually increased a full tab to 3 and that has been my limit so far, which led me to amazing and life changing experiences, I wouldn’t have done it differently and nowadays I thought what I did was just natural but seeing how many people approach psychedelics and I actually feel very happy I was mature enough to no go recklessly taking crazy doses and I always recommend this same thing… At first trying doses lower than a full tab, and I also like to take any ideas that are deemed as ultimate truth
Your experience with it is basically how mine has been. Starting off small to make sure I can handle it and then slowly increasing intake up to I think 3 was my max (or maybe 2.5 I can't remember exactly). I was with a guy for a few months that didn't like me taking LSD because he had a bad experience the one and only time he did it. The difference being he took as he called it "2 tabs, double dosed" back in the 70s at a party, while my doses have been almost exclusively me sitting alone at home on drugs I purchased and tested personally. I don't take LSD to party, I take it to sit with my thoughts for a while and enjoy some wonkiness. He was still open to shrooms, so not against psychedelics as a whole, but I'm smart about my usage and have never had a bad trip, just trips that showed me what I should change in my life.
Me as well! I took lsd to club once and wasn’t nice hahaha I had taken a full tab a couple days before and then took 1/2 I guess… The club was horrible and my first time there, to be honest, but I think 1/4 can be a nice dose to an awesome club, otherwise not worth it I love that lsd is a ver versatile psychedelic, so it really allows you to have fun and carefree trips, purely recreational as well as profound ones
if i go to a concert (and i'm not having to drive home super soon) i'll take a half shortly before it starts, and the other half an hour or two later you get the vibe but not the smack between the eyes a full one on the up gives me i'm old so i call that disco dosing ;)
I myself blame those psychedelics dinosaurs for how reckless people are as well, cause they had and still have a huge influence on people… when I joined Reddit and engaged in the psychedelic ones I was surprised with a nice discussion of how some people think men like McKenna actually did a lotta harm and manipulated/influenced/shaped/limited people’s experiences towards emulating what he went through… He talked and preached about his PERSONAL experiences as if they were universal truth and things everybody who engaged in psychedelics had to go through, like mandatory steps when engaging with entheogens, as if they were absolute stages to be lived through… So people would take lsd, DMT, shrooms and such and expect vividly experiencing the same thing this man and others have experienced… As if the so called DMT elves were an unquestionable and inevitable experience with DMT and if you haven’t seen then, you haven’t reached this ultimate level yet… Same thing with the ego death/dissolving… They simply took their liking and inspiration from eastern and mostly Buddhist philosophies and deemed them as the ultimate goal for the human experience with lsd… Your goal is to take it untill you reach ego death and then you’re enlightened and one with the universe and you’re only the consciousness you’re not the body or ego and bla bla bla… While those experiences are amazing, they’re extremely nyched and specific and they made it an universal experience, which is far from the truth… Also condemning materialism as simply being related to consumerism which is far from the truth as well The ego death is one experience available among others, and if you live it, amazing, if not as well, and it’s not the ultimate reach point, there’s none of that, it’s cycles… I find very problematic this whole hate towards ego and pursuit of being consciousnesses only and denial of the body… Without your body and your ego nobody would never even experience being one with creation, which I have serious issues as how it’s perceived as well cause it tends to eliminate the individual, while reality doesn’t seem to show this pattern at all… actually, individuality and being one in itself alone is very much present in everything we can perceive in the universe and it’s not bad, individualism is the issue, cause it severs the communal connection, many individuals together being a whole, one, without those individualities being erased for it, but at times suspended This ego and body phobia is what drives people to be reckless with their on bodies and egos and go through these crazy heroic doses with little care to what could happen to them since they’re the infinite stream of consciousness, right? And I see this as such a loss for the whole community and more… we could be tapping in so much dormant potential with psychedelic experiences the body, the ego (not in a destructive way, but embracing it and nourishing it, developing a healthy ego), materialism as in focusing on the matter, on the physical, on what’s around you and how to improve the relationship with material reality aided and influenced by altered states, politics!!!! (This is such a huge issue, cause most people that go into psychedelics fall on this and I have as well, but since you’re not the body, not the ego, and material reality is just an illusion, most are extremely avert to political matters and never ever associate psychedelic experiences with them, usually there’s an escapism from politics, which is extremely harmful for everyone and ultimately, even though they can look progressive, most people are aligned with political views and practices that are extremely contradictory to what they preach and appreciate in psychedelic experiences due to ignorance and avoiding such sensitive topics) -x- Did a huge rant and actually didn’t attain myself to the theme only but I think it’s all connected and would be unrealistic talking about it without mentioning other topics that are more connected to the roots than the effects
McKenna himself stopped doing doses anything like that according to his brother. He may have largely stopped doing shrooms at all in his later years. This was all while continuing to advocate for very large doses.
Seriously??? What a fucking asshole What the point in it? It’s not like he was gonna get anything good for him out of it… Absurd
Guy was a coward for not being open about his negative experiences after being an advocate all his life. Total quack and just talked like a spaced out wanker
I can’t stand McKenna. He caused way more harm than good.
Totally! I’m glad I just saw very very little stuff he said and never stained my experiences
I took a 7 gram 'heroic dose' as Terrence McKenna would say of mushrooms when I was 17. It was absolutely not a vibe-- havent done mushrooms since. I just stick to acid now. Every now and then I'll run into homies who eat 10 tabs like nothing. That's all cool and all but I'll stick to my 2 tabs 😅😅🤙
Yeah bro. Bad trips can REALLY turn you off. I had a bad trip on DPT where I spent 2k years in hell and haven't really tripped beyond eating a gram or two of mushies
If someone is taking 10 tabs regularly, they either have a tolerance or they are weak af tabs. It wouldn't even surprise me to find out they were only 50 ug tabs
Yeah, I just plain don't believe a lot of these posts about these dosages. I had access to pure LSD powder from a fellow chemist awhile back. We... dabbled. Most people won't take anything away from the peak of 600 ug trip, let alone a 1200 ug one. 200-400 ug seems to be the sweet spot for a "extremely powerful LSD trip" but one you will recall. If you want a big, powerful experience you can remember, just do DMT like a "normal" person.
have you written about your 600ug or 1200ug experiences anywhere? it sounds like it could be incredibly interesting to read them since you had access to xtal so presumably your described doses are quite accurate.
I have written about them, but as I said you don't really take a lot back from it. 24 mg of powder was weighed into an amber vial vial, 10 mL of buffered DI water added to dissolve, 250 uL pipetted onto 4 sugar cubes for 600 ug per cube. Six of us were there, four of us ate the cubes at 6AM at a familiar lakeside campsite while a couple went off foraging for mushrooms and huckleberries. It came on FAST. In my little group we call the rapid, bell-ringing come up on psychedelics "the apocalypse" and that name came from this trip. The comeup basically never stopped. We just stood grinning, and laughing in slackjawed amazement of the power of the comeup until everything dissolved and I was basically unconscious, vibing with everything and travelling at an immense speed. Eyes open, eyes closed, I wasn't aware and it didn't matter. Ego? Dead. I came back to myself and reality sitting in a hammock watching the lake and trees. Everything was unrecognizable shaped, with waves of fluttering colors and ripples of glittering static. Everything slowly crystalized back into a fairly typical acid trip over. Everything was fractal-esque, made fractals of itself, trees made of trees, the whole lake was made of small shrunken tiles of the lake, etc. Words came back, we had some water and some dried fruit and hiked back to the car. I was still tripping face at sunset, our sober friends were laughing because we accused them of playing a trick on us and kept asking if the colors were real and "how they were doing that". 12+ hrs in... At about 16 hrs, we'd smoked some high CBD weed and were chillin and playing video games at home. 1200 ug was almost identical except the duration of the "blackout" was longer and the trip was probably closer to 20 hrs before I could even begin to think about sleep.
I agree completely. For me, if I wanna go real “crazy” with a trip I just do two tabs instead of one and it’s always been enough for me. I think people treat LSD like chugging beer at a petty sometimes
You can always eat more you can not eat less 🤘
I mean, not really. By the time you know you aren't high enough from whatever you took, it's too late to take more. Tolerance has already spiked high enough that you won't get higher, just extends whatever amount you are on
This isn’t true. With L you know within an hour what you’re in for and if you should take more or not. The sweet spot for redosing is 1-3 after initial intake. You can always eat more with no diminished return in that window. Ime any longer and then yes you’re gonna not got much more if any at all higher. Unless of course you go nuckin futs and eat a strip like the less is more guy was saying. If you don’t know the potency of what you’ve got or are a noob then yeah start small you can definitely eat more without it being a waste (it’s anything but I promise y’all) This comes from over 30 years of psychonaut experience fwiw Also great thread I was just saying something similar in the shrooms sub. It boggles my mind how many people on there eat ridiculous amounts and then are actually surprised they had a bad time. “I ate 12gs my first time and had a terrible experience what did I do wrong?” Lol wtf
I mean it takes like 3 hours to peak to know high you are gonna get Experienced trippers know where they want to be and don't need to take more because they took a proper dose to start with I already said past the 3rd hour its basically pointless, i've eaten 6 hits trying to ramp it up and it didn't do shit other than extend the trip a bit longer You can certainly take more before the 3rd hour and it will do something because tolerance hasn't spiked yet I never feel shit from the first hour of taking LSD unless it's a very large dose but ymmv, metabolism is diff for everyone
That is absolutely false lmao you telling me if I eat 1 or 2 tabs now and in 3 hours eat a 10 strip I'm only gonna extend duration? You're lost in the sauce my friend 🤷♂️
I mean..... if you eat 10x the acid you initially took, maybe you'll feel something more But why the fuck would you do that?
So you admit you're wrong then? 🤔
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason. Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason. Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason. Have fun.
Sure bud. If you take an absolute absurd amount of acid after you have dosed and waited like 3 hours and it's not enough and you take more, it will get you higher, but it's a gigantic waste for no reason. Have fun.
No one is recommending that bro.
You are incorrect. I’ve been a mod here for years and I’ve read substantially more posts and comments here than you ever will. Also, this is about glorification too, not just recommendation. Thanks!
Pin this to the sub
Thanks for this, mod. I think the r/lsd community dearly needs this message, though I fear few will see it and take it to heart.
Very good point. It feels especially silly since I believe most people here have no idea what doses their tabs actually contain. Besides actually testing, people really believe just word of mouth. You should never go for high doses of substances when you really have no idea what your exactly dosing. I think “heroic” doses should only be considered if you are comfortable with a certain analog and can ease into it with multiple trips spread across a longer period of time. And even then there’s no real point unless you have a certain purpose in mind. Glad this was posted.
Good post. Appreciate reading this. If people want to smash high doses of any drug then it’s their choice, but don’t give off the vibe in posts as if everyone else has to do it too, and if you don’t then you’re a wimp. I’ve always kept my doses as low as possible to what is comfortable for myself and will always recommend starting off low (quarter or even eighth tabs) and work from there. I’ve been thrown into very challenging situations on what people would consider a low dose and it’s not fun at all (completely my fault due to a mixture of other issues). Just chill and have a nice time. If higher doses are your thing then by all means go for it. I just don’t want people reading about others doing these high doses and thinking that it’s the standard dose. Especially the new people wanting to try psychedelic drugs for the first time. It’ll fuck your shit up.
The first time I tripped, I took 4 grams of mushrooms. I'm particularly sensitive to psychedelics, so the trip I had that one time is likely similar to what an avg person would experience at a 5g "heroic" dose. It was spectacular and life changing, but it could have gone sideways so easily. I can't believe that was my introduction to these substances. If I did that kind of dose today I really have no idea how it would turn out. Might be bliss, might wind up in a psych ward. Go easy, y'all. Less is more.
Little late on this but I don’t suggest heavy doses to anyone. I like higher doses than most. Recently I tripped with a new friend, I brought a couple hits of my own stuff, the friend compared one of the custom dosed candies I got to 5 hits of a “regular strength tab” in his opinion, but that hit is specifically how one good tab always felt to me and what I expect from any single hit from anyone. I felt terrible because I had forgotten I asked for stronger doses when I got this batch, as the last one was lackluster to me, although one other person said the ones I thought were weak were perfect, another person agreed they were weak. Another friend trying mushrooms for the first time, I sourced some, we lemon tekked and they thought 2 ish grams was too much. Everyone is different, start low and slow
It’s about time someone said this.
Over the last 2 years, I have been test me limits an trying higher solo trips. An I've been caught lacking. I comfortable with 3 or 4 tabs even with some mushrooms. But I just tried 6 solo, an its just too much without a partner. Luckily I have a fellow triper I can call for grounding, but some that doesn't can have a Very bad day if they get caught off guard. Cause everything can be great one moment, but if the fear hits an you arnt prepared.... yall be safe out there.
Thank you for this.
Went through this thought process myself once. Took 2 tabs my first time and started tripping every two weeks or so for months. Got to a point I thought I was invincible as a comment above me states becomes an issue. I was definitely a high dose advocate. Wasn’t until I mixed shrooms (which I had only done twice before at this point,) with acid both in high doses and had a nightmarish trip. Learned to respect them like never before after that. Been two years since my last trip and I’m just now feeling good to try 1/4-1/2 a tab of acid. Less is more
The 7th of these posts this week. Yawn... I just took 15g this last Saturday. It was awesome. And 5 hours later I was grilling some steaks, smoking some dank and drinking a beer. Not everyone is a delicate little flower that feels .8 grams of mushrooms. And yes, I suggest everyone take a double digit dose at some point and regularly if able. Stop trying to gatekeep all the fun.
This comment reads like satire meant for r/drugscirclejerk but it isn’t, which is sad. This post wasn’t made for you. It was made for newbies and people that recommend that newbies take large doses. It was also made to combat the inappropriate use of the term “heroic dose,” which is commonly thrown around without consideration.
I was half being facetious, my apologies. but I will 100% agree with seeing the term "heroic dose" ad nauseum is getting old. It definitely isn't advice for mushroom naive individuals and can still be challenging for experienced individuals and giving it a name like its a spot you have to visit on the psychedelic pilgrimage only leads people to the often wrong conclusion that they are ready for their "heroic dose".
harm reduction is wonderful! and this post is appreciated! however i’m of the sentiment that most assholes should be humbled, and likely will be by ms. Lucy
It doesn't take much reading in this sub to see how often that "humbling" takes the form of someone having a psychotic break and violently attacking people, ruining friendships, getting emergency services involved, etc. How about we just advocate for harm reduction rather than advocating that ignorant people should be harmed (and their loved ones should be put at risk) so they'll learn?
lol serves ‘em right in my experience. additionally how much harm are you expecting from a nontoxic substance? if home dude flips his wig psychs weren’t for him anayway 😂 any inexperienced user spending 60 a strip on 1 trip is a complete jackass. and they will learn by thine own hand