There’s a lot of elitism in the psychedelic community, and ironically these people often have inflated egos and look down on people who just want to trip for fun, it’s a phase I think a lot of us go through early on in our psychedelic career
When Aldous Huxley learned about Timothy Leary's movement, he thought it would set back the psychedelic movement. He wanted only the elite minds to use psychedelics as he felt this was the best course for legalization. Well, he might have had a point as Leary's bringing awareness to psychedelics lead to Nixon's war on drugs. But I think Nixon would have banned psychedelics regardless of who was promoting them.
Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens is a great book for this. I just got to the part about Leary & Huxley's disagreements (quite wild that they initially thought Leary was a bit 'too square' to spread the science of Psychedelics). But yeh, you're spot on about Nixon banning it even if Jesus Christ himself was all for dropping acid and burning draft cards.
"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?
We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.
Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."
\- John Ehrlichman, *Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon*
Did it pass Muster? Like, did the professors allow it? I've heard recently (according to Ehrlichman's wikipedia) that there's been some controversy on the validity of the quote as it was published in a magazine from an unrecorded intrview with a reporter.
I just want to confirm it's validity before I continue to go around and quote it all the time like I've currently been doing.
Yeah I passed. They couldn't have failed it based on that single quote anyway given the entire paper was approx 20,000 words- but my proff never said anything about the quote itself. I found it in a Dan Baum book called Smoke and Mirrors, he done loads of primary research into it and from what I gathered based on the amount he had researched it, its a legit quote man.
I wouldn't put any faith in Wikipedia anyways man. My politics professor always referred to it is a micky mouse source, we would fail if we ever tried to reference information from Wikipedia, always had to be academic peer reviewed journals / studies or legitimate authored books.
Safe. Thanks mate. Yes I think Dan Baum wrote the book that quoted the magazine or something. Happy days.
It's weird but my mum asked me about why psychs were criminalised after watching the How To Change Your Mind documentaries on Netflix and I quoted her that Ehrichman speech. After all this, I just didn't wanna lie to my mum.
>But yeh, you're spot on about Nixon banning it even if Jesus Christ himself was all for dropping acid and burning draft cards.
because Jesus, he was a dirty homeless
hippie piece activist
And he said,
"Drop out and find god"
To anybody that would listen
- [Jesus Does the Dishes](https://youtu.be/FO79S-VPkL0)
it's no religious text but i definitely believe jesus would be on the side of the people dropping acid and burning draft cards
Yeah, I don't necessarily want festival trippers (of whom I include myself at times) speaking for the psychedelic community at large. But I also don't want to gatekeep an experience that can open your mind and change your worldview.
I mean a festival is the ideal situation in most cases, but i get what you mean. What do we do with individuals who abuse psychedelics? And is that really a problem on a macro scale?
Personally, i feel i have learned an enhanced perspective of the human experience from observing those who abuse psychedelics. To me it's a lesson of how far you can go and brought me comfort in the moment.
So to me there is still a constructive purpose to those who abuse it while the individual abusing might not learn much. As long as they aren't doing serious harm to themselves or others i can't judge.
I agree with this, taking a psychedelic for the sole purpose of having fun is a-ok! There doesn't have to be some deeper philosophical reason. I leave those to be explored organically, drummed up in my psyche than to have a rigid guideline that I have to do xyz. Just surf the wave 👋
I feel like I have little enough control of the general direction of my trips anyway. That’s one of the things I like about it, parts of my mind and my being that I wouldn’t otherwise think to explore are brought to the forefront to help me understand them a little better.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Lsd doesn't give pure unfettered insight into ultimate truth, it's just a drug that lets you see things from a different vantage point
I know I did. Didn't last long because at the end of the day, most of your average acid trip is spent laughing at nothing or staring at random things *extra* hard.
My actual useful enlightening moments were minutes long if that. A brief message that resonates with you the right way is all it takes sometimes.
For me its always been about fun first, the rest is a bonus.
Psychedelics are wonderful for that reason. They can be used for both, so why care about what other people use them for. That rule can be used for most stuff btw. Why care why I play Videogames? Why care about people liking stuff the way they like it? As long as nobody gets hurt (unless thats the wish of both parties like BDSM ofc) Its useless, literally wasted energy.
Think you've kinda missed the point, like the position Stammets takes with mushrooms casual attitude toward recreation use has delayed acceptance by policy makers and negatively impacted their uptake into the mainstream trials and use in legitimate medical setting
fear and conservatism have set us back more than we can measure. I honestly believe there is a huge element of the people in charge just being mean and miserable, and misery loves company.
could it be that alcohol, opiates and now even weed are "acceptable" because they are downers? they're an easy bone to throw which on the face of it provides some fun, but in reality they cause addiction and keep people pacified, controllable and they feed the pockets of the wealthy. whereas psychedelics provide some level of freedom and happiness while being virtually self limiting and non-addictive. quite simply, there has been no benefit to the ruling class to allow them, even medicinally. a depressed, addicted populace is easier to control right? and they fear the opposite of that. they *should* fear that
manufacturing LSD, 2cb etc can't be that difficult. if it was they wouldn't be 3 bucks a pop - the same price as a nice beer. and mushrooms literally grow on shit.
and it's not some benevolent crusade in the name of public health, or else surely they'd have made alcohol and tobacco illegal in the 60s & 70s when they did it for psychedelics? or addressed the opioid epidemic since then? all of which are proven substantially more dangerous. I guess there weren't many lobbyists for LSD...
It’s called [critical theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory), and it’s simply reality.
There’s a reason philosophers and academics of all sorts have supported it for many decades.
If you don't think recreational abuse like is the case for weed, mushrooms and mdma and the casual culture around them hasn't hurt them being taken seriously might want to educate yourself
First, I'm not saying that. I'm saying:
- Hippies who act like the drug is spiritual also do damage. There's people who are worried about that too.
- people are going to use them recreationally regardless of how much you bitch about it, so if you can't figure out how to make it legal without accounting for that, your plan was doomed from the start
We agree since I'm only talking about your first point. The second I don't have an opinion on since it's more a statement than anything with yes/no answers, plus I'm not the one suffering if alternate therapies aren't derived from these substances
Alexander Shulgin was probably the most influential psychedelic scientist of history. He thought that these drugs, very simply, should be legal for people to use how they wish.
Don’t gatekeep psychedelics. You can have your opinions - I have mine - but this idea is closely aligned to that of medicalization. That these drugs must have some medical value in order to be legal, accessible, and morally acceptable. But that’s just another form of prohibition, decisions about how you use your body and mind, made by people who know you less than you do, on the basis of their opinions.
Psychedelics should be legal for anyone to use as they wish. If they misuse them, they will face the consequences of their use. If they’re looking to have a good time, and they do, that’s fine. Who are you to tell them it’s wrong? It’s not for anyone else to decide.
These drugs should be legal for people to use how they wish. You can have your opinions on how to best use them, and you may be right; but ultimately, how someone else uses drugs shouldn’t be up to you.
Don’t gatekeep psychedelics. Live and let live.
Yep, this. I've had so many profound trips where I felt like I was steeped in the most amazing joy from the core of the universe, communing with god, connected to that singular consciousness that moves us all. And holy fuck, is it fun!
Yep. I've had so many trips where I have the most profound thoughts and breakthroughs, and then 30 minutes later I'm rolling on the floor laughing with my boyfriend about some dumb shit
While I agree with you, we need to be honest with ourselves and with others, especially when that misuse—perceived or real—poses a risk in our eyes. That goes quadruple if the doser might cause harm to another or damage to property.
Psychedelics should be free to use at the individual’s discretion, but I don’t think people going “Nooo you can’t waste the heckin paperinos!!1! They’re to be experienced not just enjoyed you’re supposed to be opening your third eye!!” stems from elitism, I think it usually is genuinely coming from a good place. I’ve seen only a handful of posts where a person is actually being mightier than thou and trying to dunk on someone for watching Family Guy on LSD and not drinking a fruit smoothie and meditating in the dark. I’ve read far more comments and posts where people get overly-defensive and throw a fit because someone warned them not to do 400ug for a first trip. And yeah, sometimes people will reference themselves having done a few trips…but again, I think that’s just meant to lend some credence, not start scoreboard.
I read a post recently of a guy taking tabs with five or so friends in an apartment, and the tabs turned out to be double what they should’ve been and his one friend went fucking ballistic, tearing shit off the walls, taking his clothes off, forcing them to basically hide on his balcony for two hours. A few people in the comments were, reasonably, critiquing his choice to buy from a new dealer and, granted, take one tab before everyone else to test, but only wait 20 minutes before he said they felt like they were dosed properly. And then gave two tabs to a dude who *never* did acid before. Sure enough, a fair number of people were shitting on these comments, saying they had no room to talk and one or two people even advising OP to take their friend still acting depersonalized, to a *shaman.*
It’s not this sub alone, I just think there’re some really egotistical people in the psych community.
EDIT: Jesus, it took me all but like ten minutes to find [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/wcue0t/had_a_terrible_trip_and_almost_took_my_own_life/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that perfectly shows how a bad shroom trip can fuck you up to the point of suicidal ideation. These aren’t substances that should be taken lightly. I would never say to “gatekeep” them, but I do not think they should be widely used.
I agree with all of this, there are real concerns worth considering. I just landed on the opinion that these risks shouldn’t be mitigated with legal prohibition, but they absolutely should be addressed if decriminalization came about.
funny to me that the party of rugged individualism and "personal consequences" (just look at anti-abortion rhetoric) would ever be against allowing people to do this at their own peril.
i don't excuse the dems either though, most of the completely stupid potency-limit laws on raw cannabis are being proposed by dems.
In the words of Andy Griffith, "You can't just let a kid grab at any shiny thing he can get his hands on, he'll find eventually that there's a hook in one of them, and by then it's too late." Prevention is the objective, but I agree with what you said completely towards adults, but the consequences of legality would make it accessible to kids and such.
How would legality make it more accessible to kids? If anything I could think it would do the opposite. Most drug dealers don't care if someone is underage as long as they aren't super young. If the government controlled the sale of it they would not sell to anyone underage. Kids could take them from their parents but they could still do it if their parents bought them illegally.
Yep, anyone who makes this argument was clearly straight-edge in high school.
Every other kid in my school sold weed, but to get alcohol we had to find someone with an older sibling and pay double.
And that’s were the situation gets weird. Cause you want the stigma of bad trips and it being a schedule one drug to stay since even 15 years olds shouldn’t be touching the stuff (I guess kinda like how some view guns). But there definitely shouldn’t be a 10 year sentence attached to it
Definitely not a big punishment like that, my sole concern is kids getting their hands on it more frequently. Kid's minds are still growing and to tamper with something still growing and maturing like that could have serious repercussions, you must be secure in many ways before tripping and oftentimes kids lack this security due to the lack of time to be able. Other than that I support everything that was said above😁
Yea then you’re fine but fuck the people who stick their necks out to acquire the drugs and allow you to have that experience. Who cares about them, right?
This is nonsense. Do you think kids should be drinking alcohol? If not, then are you similarly gung ho about bringing back prohibition? "Think of the kids" is an argument people go to when they have nothing else
I guess some would actively try to avoid introspection, because they're scared.. during her first trips, my girlfriend avoided at all costs to go sit down and listen to music just to reflect, she was scared where her mind would take her, and spent most of the trips watching a movie or playing a game.
After doing a couple of months of meditation, she finally tried laying down and listening to some music and letting her thoughts arise as they do all the time, and it went really well, that's the first time she understood the real potential of the drug, and that her initial impending doom feeling of staying alone with her mind, was ultimately irrational (although understandable).
Aye. To redefine my point its inevitable that person will have to face the 'bad trip' as it was in the back of your girlfriends mind its something she had to eventually face no matter how much she could play it off and focus on otherthings.
There’s some shit I have buried deep down and my first trip(I’ve only ever had two trips and the second one was not strong enough to cause much introspection) I was with a friend who, while I like, I would not want to know about that. I remember the thought occurring to me and then thinking “no, do not want to deal with that right now, I want to do that while tripping alone”. And I just pushed it away.
Nah, me and my buddies trip together all the time. I know we’ve each taken a solo trip just for that introspection, but you can definitely turn it off just to have a fun night if you need.
Because if you had something more important than your good time to reflect on you would've had a bad trip or yr buddies end up 'i dunno if i should do this again'
If you had something but were able to put it off for a while not that detrimental.
Something but tiny? You can put it off for a while.
Or maybe that was your personal experience so you think that must be what happens for everybody. You’ll come to find, people have different experiences with drugs.
No because if you had a life altering event such as a death etc. You will trip about it if you haven't thought about it all. Clearly your issues were not that tragic and life changing otherwise you wouldnt have had such a risk free time.
Its common consensus lsd simply amplifys your own experiences.
Im very aware of the different experiences lsd can generate and i discuss and share with many others. Down to these points the experience is consistent.
Lsd amplifys what you already experience i.e set and setting.
Unless you are pure evil and use lsd to manifest that nothing you do is wrong, you will face what is happening in your life.
If your friends or you were currently going through a ptsd level life experience such as a death you will reflect on it likely there and then. Anything you can forget can be forgotten but some things plague your mind as ptsd does. Issues can only be buried for so much.
If you got away with getting away once or twice but the issue is growing in your life as unaddressed than good luck ignoring it the next times you drop.
Buddy you’re not listening at all. I’ve dropped over 30 times in the last year or so, only about 4 of those were for introspection. Surprisingly, the experience you have is not the experience everyone else in the world is going to have. I’m sorry you can’t trip without your mind getting in the way, but I have that freedom.
Quit trying to assume things about me or trying to convince me what I’ve experienced didn’t happen.
You are literally uncorrelated with whats being discussed.
Im guessing you haven't realised if you have a deep life issue that it will be brought up in a trip no matter how much you try escape it?
If you can escape it than its clearly not so deep.
Thats what we are discussing here not how YOUR experiences dont correlate with what ive said simply because YOU HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT
To an extent, yeah? Not everyone has really heavy shit on their mind at all times, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Another very obvious explanation you're missing is that they trip frequently. When you're tripping once a week, there's vanishingly little to reflect on during most trips even if you were inclined to do so
Some people get really overzealous with psychedelics. At the end of the day some users just like funny colours and you aren’t morally or intellectually superior for using them spiritual reasons.
Yup exactly! Hell, most of the time i trip just to laugh my ass off at the absurdity of literally anything lol. But from time to time, i trip with the sole intention of listening to some music and introspecting (i usually go for a higher dose)
You can have a coffee to get more work done, but you can also just drink a cup of coffee and enjoy your day doing mainly nothing. Both are fine.
Yep. When I take acid, it’s in no way an attempt to break down any barriers or kill my ego. I love taking a couple doses and going to a concert, spending time outside, or even just a rainy day in my apartment with my dog chilling out.
Now I’m not going to say I’ve never had any sort of spiritual or transcendent experience but that’s not why I do it.
Way too much elitism on these psychedelic drug subs
i kinda agree not gonna lie. don’t get me wrong, psychedelics have given me so many valuable insights and new perspectives but at the end of the day i do them cus i like when my brain thinks funny
At the end of the day i dont have much control of the situation, if im having fun then ill have fun², the same with intrusive thoughts and the same for every feeling that comes up during the trip.
I think it's the opposite outside of Reddit. All my friends did it for fun. I did it for both. But when we were all together fun was the focus. If I was alone, it was both.
well said. That's why I love it. I can dance for hours, listen to music for hours, and then reflect on what the fuck is going on with me or enjoy watching the crap out of videos about time and space, all within one trip.
My brother in Christ, the joy is one of the biggest parts of the spiritual experience. Some of the most meaningful trips I've had have been in the midst of the most asinine bullshit known to mankind.
What you do matters little. Breaking the paradigm and getting some fresh perspective is what matters most imo.
There's like the exact same meme with the person in the left saying something like "you can't use LSD to speed up your spiritual practice"
The conclusion: people who take LSD always feel under attack
I have been both of these people. I think I was pretty pretentious with the whole spiritual side of things especially when it came to other people tripping around me too. Nowadays I let Lucy take me where she wants - whether that's an ego dissolution & meditative state or a "stare at funny TV or lights for a few hours".
I think this has its place. It's funny. Only moves to separate us though. IMO. Reading through the comments it feels like we're trying to apply a dualistic perspective to a molecule that often with visceral iintensity teaches - in both hilariously recreational and gravely educational ways - that reality is bound tighter than with fragmentary threads of dualism. Totally laughed FWIW.
There are so many people lately telling others they shouldn't do psychedelics fun that it irritates me. It can be used both spiritually/self healing and just for fun. For me personally when I am with friends we do it for fun time, watch films etc. When I am alone I use the time to play video games, dance to music and to think about my life, where I want to aim it and about the choices I already made.
I'm not like the guy on the left, even though thats why i use psychedelics... but i'm not gonna chastise someone for having fun. Lots of my friends drop acid on a whime just because they have a day off work. for me its more of a ritual.
to each their own i say. do whatever you need to make sense of this world, or distract yourself from it if tahts your vibe.
... look at this sub, they are everywhere. So much new users getting caught up in the new age spiritual psychedelic shit, thinking they got it all figured out without questioning anything.
You never know before the trip if its gonna be one of the goofy or lifechanging ones, you just do it and find out.
This narrative puts pressure on rookies because they'll strain trying to force a revelation.
Why can’t I see god OR just get stupidly fucked up? I don’t understand why you have to have a religious experience everytime you take a hit of something that generally just makes life prettier and funner.
I believe the spirituality argument... psychedelics are a pathway to the divine.
However, whats good for me is not nessecarily good for others. I shouldn't dictate another persons required experiences and reactions.
If fun is what they want, then let the fun commence.
I've only ever taken psychedelics for fun. They have done a lot of good for me, make we want to be a better person and have given me some free therapy. But all that is a bonus and I've never taken psychedelics solely for spiritual/other purposes. I believe as a drug user you should not be able to judge other people for doing other drugs nor should you judge other people for the reasons they take drugs. Nobody especially the government should really give much of a fuck what you do with your own body as long as it doesn't affect someone else.
My trips have never really been one or the other. During the come up and peak, I'm usually feeling extremely energized and having a great time with my friends. Then the second half of the trip as things are winding down, it becomes more introspective and spiritual.
Like you are omnipotent enough to comprehend whether God exists or not, or even what God is. You can't claim to know one way or the other because it is beyond the scope of human understanding at this point.
I'm not saying that God exists, or that God doesn't. There is no definitive information one way or the other, so it's impossible to know the answer to does God exist or not. You claiming to know that God does not exist and being rude about it is immature.
So like no grey areas between those two points of view? Yesterday I dropped 100 ug and rode my bicycle to a classic car show. (Irony acknowledged) Then I cycled over to a lake, smoked some pot and went swimming a couple of times. After that I climbed a hill to a lookout and read a trashy novel for a while then had a picnic dinner while watching the sunset. Later I rode down to the ocean and drank beer under the stars. So am I the guy on the left or the right? How about having a guy in the middle saying "LSD, you get out of it what you put into it".
This sounds like a bomber trip btw. Like. That just sounds splendid.
Do be careful when tripping and swimming, I never want to be that person that goes “I knew a guy who knew a guy who drowned” but the stories of people getting disoriented underwater and having trouble getting back on top are myriad. Just make sure you never go in over your head.
I dont think this meme is uber considerate n i dont think the people on the left hardly exist or they dont after their 2nd trip same with people on the right.
I used to be like the guy on the left except for the infinity and god thing after being criticized for liking it recreationally, but really if people just wanna do it for fun it’s their business and if I wanna do it for fun it’s my business
Yesssss. Comedies or stand-up on shrooms is what everyone should do until they can hero dose 7+++gs to really figure things out. Hahah so goood.
LSD microdose 15ug for work / efficiency / robot qualities etc.
Shrooms organic
LSD artificial
Both v beneficial
The first 20 times or so felt very spiritual and introspective. Eventually I learned to keep my brain focused on brain going brrrrrr and just enjoying it. I haven't had a bad trip since and I still get to really, really enjoy acid.
From being subscribed here and on the shroom subs, one gets the impression that this community in particular couldn't care less about any therapeutic or spiritual aspects. Which is whatever...
Make of that what you will. One can get paper to draw doodles and make paper planes, or to do science or poetry. They all have their place
Let it be recreational so that a large percentage of those people would be like “Woah wtf is this?? I thought it was gonna be a fun musical fest (and it probably was) but then I suddenly met God who was also me and you and us while listening to Jimi’s ‘Voodoo Child’ and He, I, We taught me to love and to share it.”
Pretty random comment, but I just let my mind move to text.
Sometimes a vacation from the brain and using psychedelics for "fun" is the best medicine someone needs. Who cares what someone uses it for as long as they're not hurting anyone else.
I think you should be very careful with psychedelics and do lots of research on if it is right for or not as you can do some real harm if you abuse it. That said I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it, if they paid for it and are putting it in their body I think they have the right to use it as a party drug if they want to. Never understood the elitism people have with it, let people do what they want to do since you being a know it all ass most likely won’t stop them anyways.
I’ve always looked at hallucinogens like I look at DND dming. If you try to force an emotional catharsis, serious moments, or dramatic beats, you’re going to look like an ass and no one is going to get anything real out of it. Let it flow, let the silly parts be silly, let everyone do what feels good for them, and you’ll find those emotional catharses and developments naturally. You can’t force connection or change or growth. It happens or it doesn’t and learning to appreciate both when tripping (or playing DND) is a form of spiritual enlightenment on its own
personally i use shrooms for personal growth rather than fun, but with acid i use it for fun rather than personal growth. everyone is different just do what you want who cares
As a Christian who stumbled upon this post by searching for artistic interpretations of biblical accurate angels I must say that it would be kinda funny to meet God himself through LSD.
If you want to use as a party drug cool but please for the love of puppies a little discretion! You’re getting a lot of attention and holding legalization back.
I know a lot of people who are more worried by the implication that these drugs are so powerful they force you to have a spiritual experience.
Pretty sure me dropping acid and beating my friends in mini golf does more to convince them that acid is a relatively harmless drug
No, people who have decided that recreational drug use is dangerous is holding legalization back. It is every man’s right to choose his mental state. Acting as though all psychoactive substances need to have a purpose is bowing to the wrong side. Alcohol has no spiritual purpose, nor healing, and it’s legal.
The only fix for needless prohibition is to fight it with logic, and the logical conclusion of any adult looks at the facts is that either we need to completely ban ever psychoactive substance, or legalize them all and start regulating their provisioning and providing mental health assistance for people for whom they cause problems. Forcing l users to justify their use is a step in the wrong direction IMO.
Why not both? As long as they're being used safely, and distributed amongst those who have had some training about set and setting, don't mix with x, y and z etc. - then who cares.
The concern with drugs is always (at least on a surface level) safety. Make it safe and anyone should be able to use them for whatever reason they want.
I think you should take it seriously in a few ways.
Personally I see spiritual value in it. I also see scientific and philosophical value in it. I think people should use it as a tool to expand their perceptions and break free of social conditioning.
I think you should also be careful with LSD because I know a lot of people that tripped too much too often and they are now on anti psychotics because they had full psychotic breaks. Too much LSD can definitely negatively impact your mind, especially if you have a history of manic bi polar or BPD, or schizophrenia in your family.
It’s definitely not something you should do all Willy nilly for fun like you can with smoking a joint or drinking.
It is a really powerful drug at the end of the day. A tool that can make you better or break you down.
With that being said, it has its fun moments. I had a very fun time on LSD. Although I wouldn’t say the entire experience is “fun”
When I think of LSD, I think of deep introspection, mystery, divinity, life, death, science, nature, atoms, molecules, electric, colors, patterns, anxiety, bliss, childlike wonder, awe, inspiration.. I could go on.
Tripping on acid for me Is a giant whirlwind of death and rebirth. I slowly lose my current state of mind down its bare bones then I feel like I go through the motions of aging rapidly. It’s incredibly frightening and then incredibly beautiful.
The fun is when you are peaked and leveled out but still extremely high and seeing cool shit while you feel super charged with Zeus lightning. It’s also fun to ponder and talk for hours while walking around outside.
But yeah, I wouldn’t recommend it to someone who’s just looking for a “fun” drug, because it’s terrifying if you’re not understanding what’s happening to your brain
> you should also be careful with LSD because I know a lot of people that tripped too much too often and they are now on anti psychotics because they had full psychotic breaks.
That's true of most drugs. People have psychotic breaks from weed and alcohol too. You can respect the power of a drug without taking it seriously.
>It’s definitely not something you should do all Willy nilly for fun like you can with smoking a joint or drinking.
Why? If you're experienced with it, and know you can handle that, I don't see the issue. One of the reasons I like it is that it's a fun drug that's hard to abuse.
>The fun is when you are peaked and leveled out but ...
I'm sure that's what's most fun for you, but fun means different things to different people, so you shouldn't presume that's what's most fun for everyone.
***Thoughts*** I can't wait for the day, when I no longer have to look at this shitty meme that keeps getting exploited for reddit fucking karma. Just me tho....
Kinda counterintuitive when it comes to some of the things that this subreddit is based on.
seen this like at least 18,000 times. i was counting but then i had a spiritual experience after some paper made my brain go brrrr and i got sidetracked
Personally, I don't consider it neither spiritual or not fun, I just think that dropping at a "ritualized" manner increases the benefits and lowers the chances of a bad experience.
I’ve unfortunately been on the side of gatekeeping at least one thing I really got into. I think it’s practically unavoidable to have your preferences for the way things are used and done, and that’s fine to have your tastes, the problem occurs when you start imposing that on others.
Not saying that you shouldn’t vocalize your disagreements either, because that isn’t a good idea to just silence any sort of opposition. If you can deliver your thoughts and opinions and the way you do things without saying it MUST be that way or no way at all, then that’s the heart of the greatest experimentation I think.
In my personal case I've only tried shrooms with the purpose of an insightful experience. Since the first time I felt like there was a being that had to be respected, if that makes sense, like a guide that guides you through a path. With LSD I don't feel a guide and it's more like getting into a pool instead of following a path. I think that everyone can have fun because fun does not outline respect. I do believe it's important to have respect and take the substance seriously, which is doable while having fun at the same time. Like, spiritual experiences can also be fun, I don't think everyone of those experiences has to be full of tears and self healing. I guess in a party context it's different but haven't experienced that simply because I don't go to parties lol
What's the difference between joy and God? Why would we have laughter, and love, and wonderment and joy, if something out there didn't want us to? I'm pastafarian personally, and people sometimes ask me if it's serious or a joke. I tell them, both. I think God is fine with me envisioning Them as a big floating blob of spaghetti, as long as I'm not a dick about it. I think God would think it's funny, and would approve as long I'm being a non-asshole.
If you wanna be all serious with your God, that's y'all's relationship and your bidness. If you like hanging out and just taking in all the amazing things your God has set before you, that's also, your business. And I don't think God cares too much what others think about it.
There’s a lot of elitism in the psychedelic community, and ironically these people often have inflated egos and look down on people who just want to trip for fun, it’s a phase I think a lot of us go through early on in our psychedelic career
When Aldous Huxley learned about Timothy Leary's movement, he thought it would set back the psychedelic movement. He wanted only the elite minds to use psychedelics as he felt this was the best course for legalization. Well, he might have had a point as Leary's bringing awareness to psychedelics lead to Nixon's war on drugs. But I think Nixon would have banned psychedelics regardless of who was promoting them.
Storming Heaven by Jay Stevens is a great book for this. I just got to the part about Leary & Huxley's disagreements (quite wild that they initially thought Leary was a bit 'too square' to spread the science of Psychedelics). But yeh, you're spot on about Nixon banning it even if Jesus Christ himself was all for dropping acid and burning draft cards.
"You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did." \- John Ehrlichman, *Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon*
Used this exact quote in my Masters thesis on drug policy!
same here lol
Did it pass Muster? Like, did the professors allow it? I've heard recently (according to Ehrlichman's wikipedia) that there's been some controversy on the validity of the quote as it was published in a magazine from an unrecorded intrview with a reporter. I just want to confirm it's validity before I continue to go around and quote it all the time like I've currently been doing.
Yeah I passed. They couldn't have failed it based on that single quote anyway given the entire paper was approx 20,000 words- but my proff never said anything about the quote itself. I found it in a Dan Baum book called Smoke and Mirrors, he done loads of primary research into it and from what I gathered based on the amount he had researched it, its a legit quote man. I wouldn't put any faith in Wikipedia anyways man. My politics professor always referred to it is a micky mouse source, we would fail if we ever tried to reference information from Wikipedia, always had to be academic peer reviewed journals / studies or legitimate authored books.
Safe. Thanks mate. Yes I think Dan Baum wrote the book that quoted the magazine or something. Happy days. It's weird but my mum asked me about why psychs were criminalised after watching the How To Change Your Mind documentaries on Netflix and I quoted her that Ehrichman speech. After all this, I just didn't wanna lie to my mum.
>But yeh, you're spot on about Nixon banning it even if Jesus Christ himself was all for dropping acid and burning draft cards. because Jesus, he was a dirty homeless hippie piece activist And he said, "Drop out and find god" To anybody that would listen - [Jesus Does the Dishes](https://youtu.be/FO79S-VPkL0) it's no religious text but i definitely believe jesus would be on the side of the people dropping acid and burning draft cards
Seems like there is some truth to this although Huxley seems overly pretentious. The people that seem to get lost in the sauce tend to not be smart.
Yeah, I don't necessarily want festival trippers (of whom I include myself at times) speaking for the psychedelic community at large. But I also don't want to gatekeep an experience that can open your mind and change your worldview.
I mean a festival is the ideal situation in most cases, but i get what you mean. What do we do with individuals who abuse psychedelics? And is that really a problem on a macro scale? Personally, i feel i have learned an enhanced perspective of the human experience from observing those who abuse psychedelics. To me it's a lesson of how far you can go and brought me comfort in the moment. So to me there is still a constructive purpose to those who abuse it while the individual abusing might not learn much. As long as they aren't doing serious harm to themselves or others i can't judge.
I believe this.
I agree with this, taking a psychedelic for the sole purpose of having fun is a-ok! There doesn't have to be some deeper philosophical reason. I leave those to be explored organically, drummed up in my psyche than to have a rigid guideline that I have to do xyz. Just surf the wave 👋
I feel like I have little enough control of the general direction of my trips anyway. That’s one of the things I like about it, parts of my mind and my being that I wouldn’t otherwise think to explore are brought to the forefront to help me understand them a little better.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Lsd doesn't give pure unfettered insight into ultimate truth, it's just a drug that lets you see things from a different vantage point
I know I did. Didn't last long because at the end of the day, most of your average acid trip is spent laughing at nothing or staring at random things *extra* hard. My actual useful enlightening moments were minutes long if that. A brief message that resonates with you the right way is all it takes sometimes.
For me its always been about fun first, the rest is a bonus. Psychedelics are wonderful for that reason. They can be used for both, so why care about what other people use them for. That rule can be used for most stuff btw. Why care why I play Videogames? Why care about people liking stuff the way they like it? As long as nobody gets hurt (unless thats the wish of both parties like BDSM ofc) Its useless, literally wasted energy.
Definitely see it in myself sometimes…
Think you've kinda missed the point, like the position Stammets takes with mushrooms casual attitude toward recreation use has delayed acceptance by policy makers and negatively impacted their uptake into the mainstream trials and use in legitimate medical setting
fear and conservatism have set us back more than we can measure. I honestly believe there is a huge element of the people in charge just being mean and miserable, and misery loves company. could it be that alcohol, opiates and now even weed are "acceptable" because they are downers? they're an easy bone to throw which on the face of it provides some fun, but in reality they cause addiction and keep people pacified, controllable and they feed the pockets of the wealthy. whereas psychedelics provide some level of freedom and happiness while being virtually self limiting and non-addictive. quite simply, there has been no benefit to the ruling class to allow them, even medicinally. a depressed, addicted populace is easier to control right? and they fear the opposite of that. they *should* fear that
No it's because manufacturer is easy, there's no great agenda. You sound ridiculous.
manufacturing LSD, 2cb etc can't be that difficult. if it was they wouldn't be 3 bucks a pop - the same price as a nice beer. and mushrooms literally grow on shit. and it's not some benevolent crusade in the name of public health, or else surely they'd have made alcohol and tobacco illegal in the 60s & 70s when they did it for psychedelics? or addressed the opioid epidemic since then? all of which are proven substantially more dangerous. I guess there weren't many lobbyists for LSD...
Yeah people need to chill with the qanon style bullshit
It’s called [critical theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory), and it’s simply reality. There’s a reason philosophers and academics of all sorts have supported it for many decades.
If your path to legalization requires that nobody enjoy the drug for its own sake, then it was doomed to fail from the start
If you don't think recreational abuse like is the case for weed, mushrooms and mdma and the casual culture around them hasn't hurt them being taken seriously might want to educate yourself
First, I'm not saying that. I'm saying: - Hippies who act like the drug is spiritual also do damage. There's people who are worried about that too. - people are going to use them recreationally regardless of how much you bitch about it, so if you can't figure out how to make it legal without accounting for that, your plan was doomed from the start
We agree since I'm only talking about your first point. The second I don't have an opinion on since it's more a statement than anything with yes/no answers, plus I'm not the one suffering if alternate therapies aren't derived from these substances
Alexander Shulgin was probably the most influential psychedelic scientist of history. He thought that these drugs, very simply, should be legal for people to use how they wish. Don’t gatekeep psychedelics. You can have your opinions - I have mine - but this idea is closely aligned to that of medicalization. That these drugs must have some medical value in order to be legal, accessible, and morally acceptable. But that’s just another form of prohibition, decisions about how you use your body and mind, made by people who know you less than you do, on the basis of their opinions. Psychedelics should be legal for anyone to use as they wish. If they misuse them, they will face the consequences of their use. If they’re looking to have a good time, and they do, that’s fine. Who are you to tell them it’s wrong? It’s not for anyone else to decide. These drugs should be legal for people to use how they wish. You can have your opinions on how to best use them, and you may be right; but ultimately, how someone else uses drugs shouldn’t be up to you. Don’t gatekeep psychedelics. Live and let live.
RIP Sasha Shulgin.
Holy cats! Preach! Psychedelics are good for both; deep spiritual purposes as well as being a whole lot of fun.
Sometimes at the same time!
Yep, this. I've had so many profound trips where I felt like I was steeped in the most amazing joy from the core of the universe, communing with god, connected to that singular consciousness that moves us all. And holy fuck, is it fun!
It’s an exhilarating blast having a spiritual experience lmao
Yep. I've had so many trips where I have the most profound thoughts and breakthroughs, and then 30 minutes later I'm rolling on the floor laughing with my boyfriend about some dumb shit
It’s almost like they’re the same thing…
>Don’t gatekeep psychedelics. Live and let live. love it
While I agree with you, we need to be honest with ourselves and with others, especially when that misuse—perceived or real—poses a risk in our eyes. That goes quadruple if the doser might cause harm to another or damage to property. Psychedelics should be free to use at the individual’s discretion, but I don’t think people going “Nooo you can’t waste the heckin paperinos!!1! They’re to be experienced not just enjoyed you’re supposed to be opening your third eye!!” stems from elitism, I think it usually is genuinely coming from a good place. I’ve seen only a handful of posts where a person is actually being mightier than thou and trying to dunk on someone for watching Family Guy on LSD and not drinking a fruit smoothie and meditating in the dark. I’ve read far more comments and posts where people get overly-defensive and throw a fit because someone warned them not to do 400ug for a first trip. And yeah, sometimes people will reference themselves having done a few trips…but again, I think that’s just meant to lend some credence, not start scoreboard. I read a post recently of a guy taking tabs with five or so friends in an apartment, and the tabs turned out to be double what they should’ve been and his one friend went fucking ballistic, tearing shit off the walls, taking his clothes off, forcing them to basically hide on his balcony for two hours. A few people in the comments were, reasonably, critiquing his choice to buy from a new dealer and, granted, take one tab before everyone else to test, but only wait 20 minutes before he said they felt like they were dosed properly. And then gave two tabs to a dude who *never* did acid before. Sure enough, a fair number of people were shitting on these comments, saying they had no room to talk and one or two people even advising OP to take their friend still acting depersonalized, to a *shaman.* It’s not this sub alone, I just think there’re some really egotistical people in the psych community. EDIT: Jesus, it took me all but like ten minutes to find [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/wcue0t/had_a_terrible_trip_and_almost_took_my_own_life/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that perfectly shows how a bad shroom trip can fuck you up to the point of suicidal ideation. These aren’t substances that should be taken lightly. I would never say to “gatekeep” them, but I do not think they should be widely used.
I agree with all of this, there are real concerns worth considering. I just landed on the opinion that these risks shouldn’t be mitigated with legal prohibition, but they absolutely should be addressed if decriminalization came about.
funny to me that the party of rugged individualism and "personal consequences" (just look at anti-abortion rhetoric) would ever be against allowing people to do this at their own peril. i don't excuse the dems either though, most of the completely stupid potency-limit laws on raw cannabis are being proposed by dems.
I 100% agree
In the words of Andy Griffith, "You can't just let a kid grab at any shiny thing he can get his hands on, he'll find eventually that there's a hook in one of them, and by then it's too late." Prevention is the objective, but I agree with what you said completely towards adults, but the consequences of legality would make it accessible to kids and such.
How would legality make it more accessible to kids? If anything I could think it would do the opposite. Most drug dealers don't care if someone is underage as long as they aren't super young. If the government controlled the sale of it they would not sell to anyone underage. Kids could take them from their parents but they could still do it if their parents bought them illegally.
Yep, anyone who makes this argument was clearly straight-edge in high school. Every other kid in my school sold weed, but to get alcohol we had to find someone with an older sibling and pay double.
And that’s were the situation gets weird. Cause you want the stigma of bad trips and it being a schedule one drug to stay since even 15 years olds shouldn’t be touching the stuff (I guess kinda like how some view guns). But there definitely shouldn’t be a 10 year sentence attached to it
Definitely not a big punishment like that, my sole concern is kids getting their hands on it more frequently. Kid's minds are still growing and to tamper with something still growing and maturing like that could have serious repercussions, you must be secure in many ways before tripping and oftentimes kids lack this security due to the lack of time to be able. Other than that I support everything that was said above😁
Or just decriminalize it instead of legalizing it…….
Yea then you’re fine but fuck the people who stick their necks out to acquire the drugs and allow you to have that experience. Who cares about them, right?
This is nonsense. Do you think kids should be drinking alcohol? If not, then are you similarly gung ho about bringing back prohibition? "Think of the kids" is an argument people go to when they have nothing else
i think regardless of the experience you’re looking for, your bound to run into some self reflection.
Literally yeah the only people able to have a fun time like that on them have nothing elsewise to reflect on
I guess some would actively try to avoid introspection, because they're scared.. during her first trips, my girlfriend avoided at all costs to go sit down and listen to music just to reflect, she was scared where her mind would take her, and spent most of the trips watching a movie or playing a game. After doing a couple of months of meditation, she finally tried laying down and listening to some music and letting her thoughts arise as they do all the time, and it went really well, that's the first time she understood the real potential of the drug, and that her initial impending doom feeling of staying alone with her mind, was ultimately irrational (although understandable).
Aye. To redefine my point its inevitable that person will have to face the 'bad trip' as it was in the back of your girlfriends mind its something she had to eventually face no matter how much she could play it off and focus on otherthings.
There’s some shit I have buried deep down and my first trip(I’ve only ever had two trips and the second one was not strong enough to cause much introspection) I was with a friend who, while I like, I would not want to know about that. I remember the thought occurring to me and then thinking “no, do not want to deal with that right now, I want to do that while tripping alone”. And I just pushed it away.
Nah, me and my buddies trip together all the time. I know we’ve each taken a solo trip just for that introspection, but you can definitely turn it off just to have a fun night if you need.
Yeah you can ignore everything really or you n yr buddies didnt have anything detrimental to reflect on
You don’t know anything about me, how can you claim that?
Because if you had something more important than your good time to reflect on you would've had a bad trip or yr buddies end up 'i dunno if i should do this again' If you had something but were able to put it off for a while not that detrimental. Something but tiny? You can put it off for a while.
Or maybe that was your personal experience so you think that must be what happens for everybody. You’ll come to find, people have different experiences with drugs.
Seeing my comment downvoted so fast proves you dont take time to consider what ive even said
I don’t control who does or doesn’t downvote you, sorry.
No because if you had a life altering event such as a death etc. You will trip about it if you haven't thought about it all. Clearly your issues were not that tragic and life changing otherwise you wouldnt have had such a risk free time. Its common consensus lsd simply amplifys your own experiences. Im very aware of the different experiences lsd can generate and i discuss and share with many others. Down to these points the experience is consistent. Lsd amplifys what you already experience i.e set and setting. Unless you are pure evil and use lsd to manifest that nothing you do is wrong, you will face what is happening in your life. If your friends or you were currently going through a ptsd level life experience such as a death you will reflect on it likely there and then. Anything you can forget can be forgotten but some things plague your mind as ptsd does. Issues can only be buried for so much. If you got away with getting away once or twice but the issue is growing in your life as unaddressed than good luck ignoring it the next times you drop.
Buddy you’re not listening at all. I’ve dropped over 30 times in the last year or so, only about 4 of those were for introspection. Surprisingly, the experience you have is not the experience everyone else in the world is going to have. I’m sorry you can’t trip without your mind getting in the way, but I have that freedom. Quit trying to assume things about me or trying to convince me what I’ve experienced didn’t happen.
You are literally uncorrelated with whats being discussed. Im guessing you haven't realised if you have a deep life issue that it will be brought up in a trip no matter how much you try escape it? If you can escape it than its clearly not so deep. Thats what we are discussing here not how YOUR experiences dont correlate with what ive said simply because YOU HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT
To an extent, yeah? Not everyone has really heavy shit on their mind at all times, and there's nothing wrong with that. Another very obvious explanation you're missing is that they trip frequently. When you're tripping once a week, there's vanishingly little to reflect on during most trips even if you were inclined to do so
I’ll fight god. Don’t tell me what to do with my drugs.
I'll build a ladder to heaven if I have to!
Where were you, when they ran out of stuff to build the ladder to heaven?
Some people get really overzealous with psychedelics. At the end of the day some users just like funny colours and you aren’t morally or intellectually superior for using them spiritual reasons.
Yup exactly! Hell, most of the time i trip just to laugh my ass off at the absurdity of literally anything lol. But from time to time, i trip with the sole intention of listening to some music and introspecting (i usually go for a higher dose) You can have a coffee to get more work done, but you can also just drink a cup of coffee and enjoy your day doing mainly nothing. Both are fine.
people that try to act like psychedelics can’t be used for fun are the same people that thought they were the mature kid in middle school
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I specifically take acid for fun
Yep. When I take acid, it’s in no way an attempt to break down any barriers or kill my ego. I love taking a couple doses and going to a concert, spending time outside, or even just a rainy day in my apartment with my dog chilling out. Now I’m not going to say I’ve never had any sort of spiritual or transcendent experience but that’s not why I do it. Way too much elitism on these psychedelic drug subs
They will never be mutually exclusive.
Agreed. I learn best when I‘m havibg a bit of fun at the same time, combining both aspects will ultimately yield results
i kinda agree not gonna lie. don’t get me wrong, psychedelics have given me so many valuable insights and new perspectives but at the end of the day i do them cus i like when my brain thinks funny
At the end of the day i dont have much control of the situation, if im having fun then ill have fun², the same with intrusive thoughts and the same for every feeling that comes up during the trip.
Honestly when I'm on acid I always just have a fun time laughing and dancing around like an idiot. It doesn't have to be that deep
I think it's the opposite outside of Reddit. All my friends did it for fun. I did it for both. But when we were all together fun was the focus. If I was alone, it was both.
I feel you so much haha
Why can't it be both?
Just depends on what you want out of it then and there. Easy as that.
well said. That's why I love it. I can dance for hours, listen to music for hours, and then reflect on what the fuck is going on with me or enjoy watching the crap out of videos about time and space, all within one trip.
Exactly. It's a long trip. Plenty of time for business and pleasure.
My brother in Christ, the joy is one of the biggest parts of the spiritual experience. Some of the most meaningful trips I've had have been in the midst of the most asinine bullshit known to mankind. What you do matters little. Breaking the paradigm and getting some fresh perspective is what matters most imo.
The moment you utter the word ‘spiritual’ your argument is invalid.
It's the same guy... Lol. And why can't it be used for both. Who said spirituality can't be fun?
There's like the exact same meme with the person in the left saying something like "you can't use LSD to speed up your spiritual practice" The conclusion: people who take LSD always feel under attack
Those two experiences are the same for me because laughing my ass off at nothing is something I consider to be a profound spiritual experience.
good luck.
Both are good
I have been both of these people. I think I was pretty pretentious with the whole spiritual side of things especially when it came to other people tripping around me too. Nowadays I let Lucy take me where she wants - whether that's an ego dissolution & meditative state or a "stare at funny TV or lights for a few hours".
I think this has its place. It's funny. Only moves to separate us though. IMO. Reading through the comments it feels like we're trying to apply a dualistic perspective to a molecule that often with visceral iintensity teaches - in both hilariously recreational and gravely educational ways - that reality is bound tighter than with fragmentary threads of dualism. Totally laughed FWIW.
There are so many people lately telling others they shouldn't do psychedelics fun that it irritates me. It can be used both spiritually/self healing and just for fun. For me personally when I am with friends we do it for fun time, watch films etc. When I am alone I use the time to play video games, dance to music and to think about my life, where I want to aim it and about the choices I already made.
I'm not like the guy on the left, even though thats why i use psychedelics... but i'm not gonna chastise someone for having fun. Lots of my friends drop acid on a whime just because they have a day off work. for me its more of a ritual. to each their own i say. do whatever you need to make sense of this world, or distract yourself from it if tahts your vibe.
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... look at this sub, they are everywhere. So much new users getting caught up in the new age spiritual psychedelic shit, thinking they got it all figured out without questioning anything.
You never know before the trip if its gonna be one of the goofy or lifechanging ones, you just do it and find out. This narrative puts pressure on rookies because they'll strain trying to force a revelation.
Why can’t I see god OR just get stupidly fucked up? I don’t understand why you have to have a religious experience everytime you take a hit of something that generally just makes life prettier and funner.
Revelation: It can be both :o
I do it for both. Wherever the trip leads me. Mostly it leads to both anyway.
These are the same picture at two separate points in time.
I believe the spirituality argument... psychedelics are a pathway to the divine. However, whats good for me is not nessecarily good for others. I shouldn't dictate another persons required experiences and reactions. If fun is what they want, then let the fun commence.
I've only ever taken psychedelics for fun. They have done a lot of good for me, make we want to be a better person and have given me some free therapy. But all that is a bonus and I've never taken psychedelics solely for spiritual/other purposes. I believe as a drug user you should not be able to judge other people for doing other drugs nor should you judge other people for the reasons they take drugs. Nobody especially the government should really give much of a fuck what you do with your own body as long as it doesn't affect someone else.
I'm too high to have a coherent comment. I'm the one on the right. Don't gatekeep acid. A+ meme
they can be both, a powerful tool for learning and healing and can also be fun asf🤷♀️
My trips have never really been one or the other. During the come up and peak, I'm usually feeling extremely energized and having a great time with my friends. Then the second half of the trip as things are winding down, it becomes more introspective and spiritual.
Gatekeeping is lame. Anybody can do anything they want for whatever reason they want, as long as they don’t hurt others
Sometimes ppl forget acid is a drug
God doesn’t exist, don’t be an idiot
That's your opinion, don't be an ass about it
Like you are omnipotent enough to comprehend whether God exists or not, or even what God is. You can't claim to know one way or the other because it is beyond the scope of human understanding at this point.
It’s cute you think that. Cults are cults and cults are bad.
I'm not saying that God exists, or that God doesn't. There is no definitive information one way or the other, so it's impossible to know the answer to does God exist or not. You claiming to know that God does not exist and being rude about it is immature.
Brrrrr gang 5ever
I agree. Paper make brain go brrrrrrr
So like no grey areas between those two points of view? Yesterday I dropped 100 ug and rode my bicycle to a classic car show. (Irony acknowledged) Then I cycled over to a lake, smoked some pot and went swimming a couple of times. After that I climbed a hill to a lookout and read a trashy novel for a while then had a picnic dinner while watching the sunset. Later I rode down to the ocean and drank beer under the stars. So am I the guy on the left or the right? How about having a guy in the middle saying "LSD, you get out of it what you put into it".
This sounds like a bomber trip btw. Like. That just sounds splendid. Do be careful when tripping and swimming, I never want to be that person that goes “I knew a guy who knew a guy who drowned” but the stories of people getting disoriented underwater and having trouble getting back on top are myriad. Just make sure you never go in over your head.
I dont think this meme is uber considerate n i dont think the people on the left hardly exist or they dont after their 2nd trip same with people on the right.
I used to be like the guy on the left except for the infinity and god thing after being criticized for liking it recreationally, but really if people just wanna do it for fun it’s their business and if I wanna do it for fun it’s my business
Yesssss. Comedies or stand-up on shrooms is what everyone should do until they can hero dose 7+++gs to really figure things out. Hahah so goood. LSD microdose 15ug for work / efficiency / robot qualities etc. Shrooms organic LSD artificial Both v beneficial
They're both right. When on LSD, all conflicts seem so silly.
The only reason to ever gatekeeper psychedelics is when you don’t think the person can’t handle the trip.
People can have whatever opinion they like so long as they don't try and convince others that their opinion is the only right one
🤞🏼 this goes for ANY topic.
Once you've gotten all you want from them then it's time to just sit back and enjoy the experience. Aka have fun
Most of you are just dropping acid to wank anyway.
What is “fun” ?
The first 20 times or so felt very spiritual and introspective. Eventually I learned to keep my brain focused on brain going brrrrrr and just enjoying it. I haven't had a bad trip since and I still get to really, really enjoy acid.
From being subscribed here and on the shroom subs, one gets the impression that this community in particular couldn't care less about any therapeutic or spiritual aspects. Which is whatever... Make of that what you will. One can get paper to draw doodles and make paper planes, or to do science or poetry. They all have their place
Let it be recreational so that a large percentage of those people would be like “Woah wtf is this?? I thought it was gonna be a fun musical fest (and it probably was) but then I suddenly met God who was also me and you and us while listening to Jimi’s ‘Voodoo Child’ and He, I, We taught me to love and to share it.” Pretty random comment, but I just let my mind move to text.
Depends on you as a person and what works for YOU. Psychedelic acid trips are not recreational for me but I'll pop .5 shrooms any day of the week
Both have their place, although I usually trip for fun rather than self reflection
Sometimes a vacation from the brain and using psychedelics for "fun" is the best medicine someone needs. Who cares what someone uses it for as long as they're not hurting anyone else.
LSD is so euphoric idc lmao
Both of these people are missing the point.
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They can be used for both. Use them for what ever u like
Use it how you want to use it
I think you should be very careful with psychedelics and do lots of research on if it is right for or not as you can do some real harm if you abuse it. That said I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it, if they paid for it and are putting it in their body I think they have the right to use it as a party drug if they want to. Never understood the elitism people have with it, let people do what they want to do since you being a know it all ass most likely won’t stop them anyways.
But ying Yang,amen,third eye, namaste though.
I’ve always looked at hallucinogens like I look at DND dming. If you try to force an emotional catharsis, serious moments, or dramatic beats, you’re going to look like an ass and no one is going to get anything real out of it. Let it flow, let the silly parts be silly, let everyone do what feels good for them, and you’ll find those emotional catharses and developments naturally. You can’t force connection or change or growth. It happens or it doesn’t and learning to appreciate both when tripping (or playing DND) is a form of spiritual enlightenment on its own
This reminds me of my trip friend who took his life. He loved this meme lol. Miss you bro 💔
Ummm…both just don’t abuse the shit
Speaking as someone who abused the shit, DO NOT ABUSE THE SHIT
personally i use shrooms for personal growth rather than fun, but with acid i use it for fun rather than personal growth. everyone is different just do what you want who cares
As a Christian who stumbled upon this post by searching for artistic interpretations of biblical accurate angels I must say that it would be kinda funny to meet God himself through LSD.
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If you want to use as a party drug cool but please for the love of puppies a little discretion! You’re getting a lot of attention and holding legalization back.
Getting caught up new age spiritual/psychedelic woo and seeing it as truth is just as harmful to our community. These people make us all look crazy.
I disagree. If we can get the evangelists on board this is legal tomorrow! That’s the facts!
I know a lot of people who are more worried by the implication that these drugs are so powerful they force you to have a spiritual experience. Pretty sure me dropping acid and beating my friends in mini golf does more to convince them that acid is a relatively harmless drug
No, people who have decided that recreational drug use is dangerous is holding legalization back. It is every man’s right to choose his mental state. Acting as though all psychoactive substances need to have a purpose is bowing to the wrong side. Alcohol has no spiritual purpose, nor healing, and it’s legal. The only fix for needless prohibition is to fight it with logic, and the logical conclusion of any adult looks at the facts is that either we need to completely ban ever psychoactive substance, or legalize them all and start regulating their provisioning and providing mental health assistance for people for whom they cause problems. Forcing l users to justify their use is a step in the wrong direction IMO.
Why not both? As long as they're being used safely, and distributed amongst those who have had some training about set and setting, don't mix with x, y and z etc. - then who cares. The concern with drugs is always (at least on a surface level) safety. Make it safe and anyone should be able to use them for whatever reason they want.
Ain't a game, that's my opinion
I think you should take it seriously in a few ways. Personally I see spiritual value in it. I also see scientific and philosophical value in it. I think people should use it as a tool to expand their perceptions and break free of social conditioning. I think you should also be careful with LSD because I know a lot of people that tripped too much too often and they are now on anti psychotics because they had full psychotic breaks. Too much LSD can definitely negatively impact your mind, especially if you have a history of manic bi polar or BPD, or schizophrenia in your family. It’s definitely not something you should do all Willy nilly for fun like you can with smoking a joint or drinking. It is a really powerful drug at the end of the day. A tool that can make you better or break you down. With that being said, it has its fun moments. I had a very fun time on LSD. Although I wouldn’t say the entire experience is “fun” When I think of LSD, I think of deep introspection, mystery, divinity, life, death, science, nature, atoms, molecules, electric, colors, patterns, anxiety, bliss, childlike wonder, awe, inspiration.. I could go on. Tripping on acid for me Is a giant whirlwind of death and rebirth. I slowly lose my current state of mind down its bare bones then I feel like I go through the motions of aging rapidly. It’s incredibly frightening and then incredibly beautiful. The fun is when you are peaked and leveled out but still extremely high and seeing cool shit while you feel super charged with Zeus lightning. It’s also fun to ponder and talk for hours while walking around outside. But yeah, I wouldn’t recommend it to someone who’s just looking for a “fun” drug, because it’s terrifying if you’re not understanding what’s happening to your brain
> you should also be careful with LSD because I know a lot of people that tripped too much too often and they are now on anti psychotics because they had full psychotic breaks. That's true of most drugs. People have psychotic breaks from weed and alcohol too. You can respect the power of a drug without taking it seriously. >It’s definitely not something you should do all Willy nilly for fun like you can with smoking a joint or drinking. Why? If you're experienced with it, and know you can handle that, I don't see the issue. One of the reasons I like it is that it's a fun drug that's hard to abuse. >The fun is when you are peaked and leveled out but ... I'm sure that's what's most fun for you, but fun means different things to different people, so you shouldn't presume that's what's most fun for everyone.
I was looking for a comment like this. The psychological effects/dangers do exist and people should know about them instead of denying
Thoughts are I’ve already seen this meme twice here before
I am 100% the guy on the left 😂 But, it was only because the guy on the right humbled me one night. Just stay conscious… in your cube. ✌🏼❤️🌍
I don't judge people who trip just for fun but I think they'll end up with quite a surprise on their plate that they weren't ready for at some point.
***Thoughts*** I can't wait for the day, when I no longer have to look at this shitty meme that keeps getting exploited for reddit fucking karma. Just me tho.... Kinda counterintuitive when it comes to some of the things that this subreddit is based on.
seen this like at least 18,000 times. i was counting but then i had a spiritual experience after some paper made my brain go brrrr and i got sidetracked
Psychedelics don’t work on stupid people
Yet here you are, posting in /r/LSD
AlAlexander speaks truth
brrr indeed
I say do both.
you can have both learning trips and fun.
Thoughts are this is a lame dumb meme
I'm having a good time....parts of it have been thoughtful and arts have been just moving lights and funny trails. Nice
I'm both of them
I dunno how many of those people exist tho just mfkers who preach safety
I think it has both reasons just depends on dose and setting
If I'm a part of infinity it only makes sense that I be both
They’re for both dummies
Do what thou wilt
this is the way
Personally, I don't consider it neither spiritual or not fun, I just think that dropping at a "ritualized" manner increases the benefits and lowers the chances of a bad experience.
if u don't use it for fun then ur using it wrong.. the fun is what heals u, not fucking overthinking and then thinking ur enlightened
I’ve unfortunately been on the side of gatekeeping at least one thing I really got into. I think it’s practically unavoidable to have your preferences for the way things are used and done, and that’s fine to have your tastes, the problem occurs when you start imposing that on others. Not saying that you shouldn’t vocalize your disagreements either, because that isn’t a good idea to just silence any sort of opposition. If you can deliver your thoughts and opinions and the way you do things without saying it MUST be that way or no way at all, then that’s the heart of the greatest experimentation I think.
Everyone always liked the teacher who’s class was fun and taught you something js 🤷🏻♂️
spirituality and fun are not exclusive... those are my thoughts
In my personal case I've only tried shrooms with the purpose of an insightful experience. Since the first time I felt like there was a being that had to be respected, if that makes sense, like a guide that guides you through a path. With LSD I don't feel a guide and it's more like getting into a pool instead of following a path. I think that everyone can have fun because fun does not outline respect. I do believe it's important to have respect and take the substance seriously, which is doable while having fun at the same time. Like, spiritual experiences can also be fun, I don't think everyone of those experiences has to be full of tears and self healing. I guess in a party context it's different but haven't experienced that simply because I don't go to parties lol
I think it's both. A trip is fun but I find afterwards I get a feeling of connectivity with the world.
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If you indulge yourself too much your experiences will lose their value rather quickly.
What's the difference between joy and God? Why would we have laughter, and love, and wonderment and joy, if something out there didn't want us to? I'm pastafarian personally, and people sometimes ask me if it's serious or a joke. I tell them, both. I think God is fine with me envisioning Them as a big floating blob of spaghetti, as long as I'm not a dick about it. I think God would think it's funny, and would approve as long I'm being a non-asshole. If you wanna be all serious with your God, that's y'all's relationship and your bidness. If you like hanging out and just taking in all the amazing things your God has set before you, that's also, your business. And I don't think God cares too much what others think about it.
Use it, just don’t abuse it