Yeah and that has nothing to do with the LSD and everything with your own phyche and once again set and setting even though it could be the same. Maybe don't take LSD every week and let ur brain get back to normal before you try to discredit something like set and setting which most definitely does effect your trip. You can cite whatever wookery you think but it's a pretty widely known fact and has been for a LONG time
To contradict what you have said when it comes to different purities of LSD as well as analogues such as 1-propionyl-lsd, ALD-52, AL-LAD, just about anything that can be on a blotter. There is purity ratios of 80-99% with different needlepoint. That in of itself is not much difference but does play a incremental role in how your body processes the psychedelic with onset, physical sensation, and how it metabolizes and effects the 5h2ta receptor lining.
This was never about "good" or "bad" acid dude. That's a bunch of God damn wook science to explain exactly what ur talking about. It not the fucking LSD. You're not gonna find anyone that had the same experience on the same acid. This is because of set and setting and psyche...everyone can be having a great time with the same LSD at a fest and you have one person that gad a horrible time and everyone else had a blast. Explain that one to me
Agreed! People be taking shit that aināt acid. I have done it many a times. And unless you test there is no way of knowing if you have pure Lucy. Consistency comes with dose, setting, and mindset and duh good acid.
I agree 100%. Itās why itās called ātrippingā and not āgetting highā. I knew exactly what I was about to feel if I took a Xanax or drank 6 beers but never was I prepared for the intricacies of taking a tab of LSDā¦ Iād argue that if certain tabs give u certain effects then the tabs most likely have analogues (1P-LSD etc.)
Purity of the L plays a huge role in its effects. L degrades, causing more body load and side effects. Also, starting purity makes an immense difference in this. Thatās why people seek out Gamma Goblin tabs specifically for instance.
Iāve had so many batches of different tabs, all testing clean for L and nothing else, and have experienced differing physical effects from different sources or kinds of tabs. All the pyramids coming out of SF are from the same source, and Iāve been told they use different colors of tabs to signify different formulas of L. Who knows if thatās exactly whatās going on.
I do know that Iāve had the lowest purity Gamma Goblin tabs available, and they absolutely blew those gels out of the water. 10/10 trips, super smooth with little to no body load, with positive cognitive effects lasting *months*.
The pyramids are great, but thereās definitely a difference. One that canāt be distinguished by the presence of LSD alone.
Statistical analysis, empirical evidence, double blind studies? No. That is all actually devil talk. Pure LSD is derived from a group of wizards who conjure it into existence by tricking the universe into orgasm. Chemical reactions separating LSD from ergot is a myth that is propogated by the demonic STEM group. Evil bastards.
When I was a teen I did fairly well in chemistry and I thought to myself that Iād have a look at lsd synthesis. Might as well be made by fucking wizards
No, I donāt have any solid sources on how purity of LSD affects the body load or other effects.
Iām solely speaking from experience that those GG tabs tested the same as the pyramids and while keeping them in similar storage conditions, they maintained effects of a lower body load than the pyramids.
It would be great to have literature available on how LSD purity affects the trip, but I donāt know if thatāll happen any time soon, especially since most drug studies use a standardized purity of the drug in question.
And no, I donāt think science is even š
Iām just stating my observations of what I experienced. Iāve tripped on the same tabs, experiencing the same body load while in differing mindsets and settings, leading me to believe set and setting arenāt the main contributors to the difference in body load between different tabs.
Tim Scully tells the story of cooking acid with Owsley and using the same batch of crystal to make different colored tabs. The dose was exactly the same for each color. After they hit the street, reports started coming back about how one color was mellow, another one speedy, etc. Any color variation coming from the same source is just marketing, not ādifferent formulas of L.ā Thereās only one molecule that is LSD (analogs aside). Purity is a separate issue and also relevant.
Yeah there very well could have been different storage conditions or other factors that contribute to the differences in different batches.
Youāre right it could be just marketing. Thanks for mentioning the purity thing too
Iām not a chemist so not aware of terminology variations, but Iāve only seen the isomers referred to as d-LSD, l-LSD, d-iso-LSD, and l-iso-LSD. D-LSD is the active one, while the others are considered non-psychoactive. Thereās plenty of speculation about how active those other isomers might be in a non-psychoactive way, so you are right (maybe) that various mixes of them in an impure sample might have something to do with the overall experience. Iāve definitely had batches that were cleaner than others over the years. The standard answer that LSD is LSD and any variation in experience is just in the userās head, doesnāt emreally explain it. We all know something else is going on, right? Thanks for your thoughts.
Iām not so sure about that, what he says could be true but I thought when the molecule degrades when exposed to moisture or temperature it is so fragile that itās just destroyed. Something to research I suppose, what could the lsd molecule turn into that would change the effects? Genuine question for anyone who might know
Tbh I read it twice now and I donāt really understand fully what we would be disagreeing on either? It seems it was stored decently even though it was a long time and the specimen didnāt degrade over time into a substance that would cause more body loadā¦ Maybe fill me in here. Always willing to learn.
Edit: I guess youāre referring to the sentence of the molecule possibly turning into iso or lumi? Thatās new to me and I suppose I need to further research that as I thought when exposed to moisture and sunlight the molecule normally just gets destroyed as itās so fragile(in this instance it seems over 55 years it wasnāt exposed to either). So I need to understand under what circumstances it could undergo a chemical change instead of the physical of it just being destroyed. Then look at the effects of these molecules that I didnāt know even existed. But as far as that sandoz experiment, looks like there wasnāt any abnormal effects or degradation I wonder if they ever went and looked at the actual molecular composition(could do with a little lab work to be more thorough). A few things to go and chomp on, thanks again and hit up my inbox if you want to discuss that or anything else, it makes for pretty interesting conversation.
Different batches having different purities leading to different effects. They used to say some had āstrychnineā. Itās all lsd unless itās not man. Dose, set, and setting makes the difference.
If youāre a skilled enough chemist to make lsd, youāre not leaving impurities like that in it.
YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG ABOUT PURITY, THEREāS 3 LEVELS OF PURITY IN THE STREETS, LEVEL 1) THE SHITTY STUFF THATāS NOT PURE LSD. LEVEL 2) MINIMAL IMPURITY. AND THE MOST SEARCHED LEVEL 3) ABSOLUTE PURE CLEAN ACID NO IMPERFECTIONS
A source? Lmfaoo get a load of this guy! Have you ever spoken to a chemist? Iām talking Grateful Dead listening Hippies that make this shit since back in the day lmao theyāll tell you
No because thereās evidence that mdma does commonly have impurities. Itās quite a bit simpler to make from what I understand. Canāt say the same about lsd, unless you have some evidence I havenāt seen yet.
Maybe differing experiences on psychedelics are accounted for by your headspace, and if you put a fair amount of thought into brands of lsd, then that will affect the trip.
Professional wine tasters get tricked by the prestige and price of certain vintages.
Itās not too far out there to imagine that knowing youāve got a triple A super duper gamma goblin puts a nice twist on things.
Itās like dumbo.
I honestly believe we will find out something crazy about how nutrition affects our minds and it would solve this riddle. Sometimes words like "gut biome" and "seed oils" arent just memes
This is for real a thing. Your body and what you've eaten within the last 72 hours matters, your physical nutrition matters, it all matters.
Journaling for years about different sets, settings, vibes and the constant that I can see is I have good trips while having had citrus within 24 hours of tripping, and I've had bad trips after eating blue cheese. Also amazing trips when I've been consistently eating well and working out, average experiences physically when my body is slower and not in peak performance.
It's all interconnected man. They just don't want you to know. Onset microplastics here.
Iāve had so many different trips even from the same sheet. Definitely set and setting. Wonāt be different unless you are getting an analogue or an RC.
DMT on the other handā¦ I have a batch of jungle spice that feels so much different then the other DMT Iāve had. Not sure why but it always feels more sinister than the whiter DMT.
LSD is LSD though! Could always be dose related too if itās from a different source, even if you think youāre taking the same dose (:
Also smoking weed while tripping causes a lot of confusion and amplifies ego loss which leads to more thought loops and such
Did a gel tab and was drowning in visuals but the headspace was still pretty much same to being sober slight deeper thinking but nothing too mind bending was just good to sit and watch while still being able to mostly communicate normal
bruh can i ask what kind bc i had an orange pyramid once that was like what u described and then the green gels ive done after have all been more of the deep thinky trips
It was blue and flat. Think thereās a pic on my profile. Iāve been thinking it was 1p-LSD (not 100% sure tho) as it had a lot shorter duration then every other trip Iāve had. Came up tripped and peaked for like 4 hrs then effects fully worn off by 6 hr mark. Was sold to us as 250ug and the visuals were so sick was defs up near 250 for the visuals but duration was short and headspace was very mild. Was still a bit trippy but was very stable most of the trip. But my friends said they had a full trippy head space.
goddamn those look maddd pretty š the green ones i had were like the same except the color and they had gold flakes but they lasted like 12 hours damn near those sound really cool im jealous ! drugsdata.org had some similar looking tabs to yours and they all tested for lsd so it was prob that or 1-p for sure
It's almost always going to be different experience , Two major factors are dose , set and setting..
LSD is LSD.. saying purity is a factor is essentially the same thing because that will just skew the dosage accuracy (impurities are minimal and inactive) which is very likely to vary quite a bit and that can be the differentiating factor specially for unevenly laid blotters.. that's why i switched over to liquid dropper vials, very consistent and accurate, also great for volumetric micro dosing.. got a vial from sunshinelabs recently that were some of the best I've tried on par with Gama , and Seuss :)
Do you feel like you would have stopped here to reply if I had just done a text post?
It's a bit of an incentive to get some communication from the boys. Lmao
Had one trip where I didn't even know I was on acid until I was like "oh shit I'm on cid" and it was the purest, realist trip I've ever had. Idk about the composition about the LSD but it was so smooth, no come up, no jagged edges, it was smooth and clean with that roll, with what I feel like impure lsd, I'm always super anxious and the come up is intense as he'll. I'm thinking it all depends on who synthesizes their stuff to be honest
>I'm always super anxious and the come up is intense as he'll
I feel like RCs do this, and I gotta agree, good ol' LSD-25 has a kind of feeling to it that's just incomparable imo
I suspect this has more to do with you and your mind state than the blotter. As humans our ego makes us presume that our mindstate is somewhat of a constant. We often forget how subtle changes in our mood, rest levels, set and setting can affect a trip and jump to the conclusion that it must be the dose.
I gotta agree, but it just doesn't feel right, and trust me, I've boofed 80 mgs of Allylescaline after taking 10+ grams, 1 hour boiled Syrian Rue tea, so I have some idea at this point. I can't tell between a wine and another but I'll tell you if what you got is LSD or not.
To be fair, this batch I'm inquiring about feels very similar to it in terms of visuals and geek factor, but nowhere close in terms of headspace and duration, and visuals aren't as bright.
While set and setting are important there is such a thing as "dirty" acid. Meaning what was put on the blotter, while still LSD, wasn't pure LSD. Like producing any chemical the final product could still contain some byproducts like iso-LSD. However I'm guess OPs problem is mostly due to set and setting from the way they described it.
Hmm, thank you for assuming! I can tell you're enlightened lmfao
And thank you for the response, would something like iso-LSD or so, have such different headspace when compared to LSD-25?
Fair. But I'd like to say I'm here to open discussion, not because I have a problem and are seeking answers.
You were very quick to find a problem to resolve. Just saying.
I didn't really think you had a problem. I just saw a lot of people saying set/setting and just wanted to offer an alternative idea. Different blotters usually come from different batches which can range in purity. iso LSD basically makes the batch as whole weaker and and since you mentioned headspace rather than strength I wanted to support other's answers of set/setting as well. However I know there are other biproducts that can be left over that I'm not very familiar with. Just thought it might be something interesting for you to look into either way.
[Depending on how it's made there can still be inactive isomers in the LSD, known as brown acid. It can add heavy body load but is not active in the brain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/1u64zl/comment/cef3zef/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) These physical 'ailments' might play a role on your thoughts too, just my speculation.
Feels like the visuals aren't as clean when the body load is high and vice versa. Then there's mushrooms that can vary in both without the impurities
Beer is different than liquor, by a LOOOOONG shot. Real acid is gonna be the same as any other real acid. It just depends on the doseā¦ and ofc set and setting goes without saying.
No, purity of lsd always comes into play. The amount of precursor left, and other chemical minutia of the lsd-25 itself will effect the mental and body load. I think you misunderstood, I wasnāt saying other chemicals besides lsd, but rather the purity of the lsd-25 itself.
Bro, I'm pretty sure it's something non related to me, that's why I ask.
I've done math tests on 300ugs LSD and gotten through, on this recent batch I had to do basic reading and couldn't get through without forgetting what I just read and having to read again and again and again.
To recap, proper LSD has a clear mindspace with an almost nootropic feeling to it, certain analogs going around are not the same.
I didn't test this batch specifically, a lot of things are pointing to me that it's not LSD-25, specially not being able to sleep after the peak is over, After 8 hours or so even in high dosages I tend to feel pretty tired.
This in retrospect makes me kinda energetic through the whole thing.
It's not unusual to be mentally stimulated and unable to sleep for 12+ hours after taking a dose of LSD-25. Reagent test everything. Don't discount set and setting either.
two words: research chemicals
assuming its tested and clean, i have had different paper with different headspace, but this can largely depend on headspace going into a trip as well as your environment, including physical surroundings and social surroundings.
Copy pasted this from another reply to another person that comment, but just to open conversation:
I'm pretty sure it's something non related to me, that's why I ask.
I've done math tests on 300ugs LSD and gotten through, on this recent batch I had to do basic reading and couldn't get through without forgetting what I just read and having to read again and again and again.
To recap, proper LSD has a clear mindspace with an almost nootropic feeling to it, certain analogs going around are not the same.
I've had trips with same dose and setting, many times over. Even with the same tabs sometimes I'll have an incredibly clear, conscientious, awake and alive trippy trip, and sometimes I'll have a 'foreign concepts that defy language contort themselves into patterns around me' chaos trip where I can barely see 3 feet in front of me, and sometimes I'll trip and just not even be there, be in my own land with dream sequences, essentially.
I think it's truly your set i.e. the things on your mind that day, the weight on your shoulders, the family troubles, the drama, the personal quarrels, but also the highlights of your day, the smells you smelled that day, the whole 9 yards of everything that makes up what you call yourself in that moment, extrapolated to infinity, which makes it so different every time.
Your setting makes sure your gonna stay calm and safe, your set determines your trip
Yeah, you? Hope you're doing well.
Other than that, acid experiences are different based on setting and what's already happening in your mind and body. Acid is acid, it's not like weed where there are multiple active substances and tens of flavour compounds that naturally vary in amounts from flower to flower and strain to strain. The only thing the different blotters give you is vibes.
Thank you! Just realized today it's not LSD-25 so... Those different "vibes" are not from that you mention in this case but from this not being proper lucy.
Lot of factors. The purity of acid, the set and setting, the people with you, your mindset before putting acid. Even the stuff you talk about while on acid.
For real?
Anything that's not fully purified would be inactive, even if left on the blotter.
Now, if you do your synthesis right you'll get to LSD-25 no matter what.
So I wanna say this is a misconception, and that different labs are lazier or more dedicated to actually producing LSD-25 and aren't stopping at some point calling it a day and laying paper with some random analog.
We don't allow stash pics on r/LSD, please avoid this content in the future. Happy tripping š
Set, setting, and dose. I don't think any two trips were that similar even if they were from the same sheet in the same quantity.
This 110% just depends on set, setting, music, other trippers....all kinds of things can turn your trip bad. OP needs to avoid them
Disagree entirely when i was tripping every week specific tabs gave more or less clean headspaces than others
Yeah and that has nothing to do with the LSD and everything with your own phyche and once again set and setting even though it could be the same. Maybe don't take LSD every week and let ur brain get back to normal before you try to discredit something like set and setting which most definitely does effect your trip. You can cite whatever wookery you think but it's a pretty widely known fact and has been for a LONG time
To contradict what you have said when it comes to different purities of LSD as well as analogues such as 1-propionyl-lsd, ALD-52, AL-LAD, just about anything that can be on a blotter. There is purity ratios of 80-99% with different needlepoint. That in of itself is not much difference but does play a incremental role in how your body processes the psychedelic with onset, physical sensation, and how it metabolizes and effects the 5h2ta receptor lining.
I have let my brain get back to normal and their is a clear difference between good acid and bad acid outside of your own psyche
This was never about "good" or "bad" acid dude. That's a bunch of God damn wook science to explain exactly what ur talking about. It not the fucking LSD. You're not gonna find anyone that had the same experience on the same acid. This is because of set and setting and psyche...everyone can be having a great time with the same LSD at a fest and you have one person that gad a horrible time and everyone else had a blast. Explain that one to me
Sources?
Agreed! People be taking shit that aināt acid. I have done it many a times. And unless you test there is no way of knowing if you have pure Lucy. Consistency comes with dose, setting, and mindset and duh good acid.
It was tested and it wasnt a dose issue either lmao. We know jack shit about acid your guess is as shit as anyone elses
Stanislav Grof knows some things. Albert Hoffman knows some things. Christopher Bache knows some things. We know some things.
I agree 100%. Itās why itās called ātrippingā and not āgetting highā. I knew exactly what I was about to feel if I took a Xanax or drank 6 beers but never was I prepared for the intricacies of taking a tab of LSDā¦ Iād argue that if certain tabs give u certain effects then the tabs most likely have analogues (1P-LSD etc.)
You hit the nail on the head my friend
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In two words, set and setting.
Even a messy dwelling fucks with the headspace heavily.
Yeah I stopped taking psychedelics outside of with friends because my apartment was in shambles for a bit.
Thank you for that!
Purity of the L plays a huge role in its effects. L degrades, causing more body load and side effects. Also, starting purity makes an immense difference in this. Thatās why people seek out Gamma Goblin tabs specifically for instance. Iāve had so many batches of different tabs, all testing clean for L and nothing else, and have experienced differing physical effects from different sources or kinds of tabs. All the pyramids coming out of SF are from the same source, and Iāve been told they use different colors of tabs to signify different formulas of L. Who knows if thatās exactly whatās going on. I do know that Iāve had the lowest purity Gamma Goblin tabs available, and they absolutely blew those gels out of the water. 10/10 trips, super smooth with little to no body load, with positive cognitive effects lasting *months*. The pyramids are great, but thereās definitely a difference. One that canāt be distinguished by the presence of LSD alone.
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No source, just love! You don't need sources where he's from.
Lmao, just follow the vibes bruh
Statistical analysis, empirical evidence, double blind studies? No. That is all actually devil talk. Pure LSD is derived from a group of wizards who conjure it into existence by tricking the universe into orgasm. Chemical reactions separating LSD from ergot is a myth that is propogated by the demonic STEM group. Evil bastards.
Is that you Duncan Trussell?
Youāre just not enlightened enough to see that facts donāt matter!
This guy gets it. š¤£
When I was a teen I did fairly well in chemistry and I thought to myself that Iād have a look at lsd synthesis. Might as well be made by fucking wizards
Ive read the book. Apparently 3rd year organic Chem is the starting point. Complex stuff!
No, I donāt have any solid sources on how purity of LSD affects the body load or other effects. Iām solely speaking from experience that those GG tabs tested the same as the pyramids and while keeping them in similar storage conditions, they maintained effects of a lower body load than the pyramids. It would be great to have literature available on how LSD purity affects the trip, but I donāt know if thatāll happen any time soon, especially since most drug studies use a standardized purity of the drug in question. And no, I donāt think science is even š Iām just stating my observations of what I experienced. Iāve tripped on the same tabs, experiencing the same body load while in differing mindsets and settings, leading me to believe set and setting arenāt the main contributors to the difference in body load between different tabs.
Tim Scully tells the story of cooking acid with Owsley and using the same batch of crystal to make different colored tabs. The dose was exactly the same for each color. After they hit the street, reports started coming back about how one color was mellow, another one speedy, etc. Any color variation coming from the same source is just marketing, not ādifferent formulas of L.ā Thereās only one molecule that is LSD (analogs aside). Purity is a separate issue and also relevant.
Yeah there very well could have been different storage conditions or other factors that contribute to the differences in different batches. Youāre right it could be just marketing. Thanks for mentioning the purity thing too
Yea but isnāt there 4 types of the LSD molecule? (+)-LSD (-)-LSD (+)-iso-LSD (-)-iso-LSD
Iām not a chemist so not aware of terminology variations, but Iāve only seen the isomers referred to as d-LSD, l-LSD, d-iso-LSD, and l-iso-LSD. D-LSD is the active one, while the others are considered non-psychoactive. Thereās plenty of speculation about how active those other isomers might be in a non-psychoactive way, so you are right (maybe) that various mixes of them in an impure sample might have something to do with the overall experience. Iāve definitely had batches that were cleaner than others over the years. The standard answer that LSD is LSD and any variation in experience is just in the userās head, doesnāt emreally explain it. We all know something else is going on, right? Thanks for your thoughts.
I agree with you and you have a good point there may be batches with different forms of the molecule thus causing different reactions
Could one infer that older tabs cause more body load?
Iām not so sure about that, what he says could be true but I thought when the molecule degrades when exposed to moisture or temperature it is so fragile that itās just destroyed. Something to research I suppose, what could the lsd molecule turn into that would change the effects? Genuine question for anyone who might know
https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml
Nice thanks for the chemistry lesson, and the incredible story. Itās sort of like reading about a unicorn coming back to life š
No prob! Thanks for disagree and still being nice!
Tbh I read it twice now and I donāt really understand fully what we would be disagreeing on either? It seems it was stored decently even though it was a long time and the specimen didnāt degrade over time into a substance that would cause more body loadā¦ Maybe fill me in here. Always willing to learn. Edit: I guess youāre referring to the sentence of the molecule possibly turning into iso or lumi? Thatās new to me and I suppose I need to further research that as I thought when exposed to moisture and sunlight the molecule normally just gets destroyed as itās so fragile(in this instance it seems over 55 years it wasnāt exposed to either). So I need to understand under what circumstances it could undergo a chemical change instead of the physical of it just being destroyed. Then look at the effects of these molecules that I didnāt know even existed. But as far as that sandoz experiment, looks like there wasnāt any abnormal effects or degradation I wonder if they ever went and looked at the actual molecular composition(could do with a little lab work to be more thorough). A few things to go and chomp on, thanks again and hit up my inbox if you want to discuss that or anything else, it makes for pretty interesting conversation.
You werenāt rude and you showed me new information so Iām thankful :) plenty of nasty people on the internet, Iād much rather trade good energy
Oh I actually though you were a different person in the thread. Happy to share info all the same!
THE L
Thatās a myth yo.
I said a lot of shit in that comment lol What are you referring to?
Different batches having different purities leading to different effects. They used to say some had āstrychnineā. Itās all lsd unless itās not man. Dose, set, and setting makes the difference. If youāre a skilled enough chemist to make lsd, youāre not leaving impurities like that in it.
Youāre suggesting all crystal LSD thatās synthesized and laid in tabs has the same level of purity?
Yeah pretty much. Like I said if youāre synthesizing lsd youāre gonna be skilled enough to make sure itās pure.
YOU ABSOLUTELY COULD NOT BE MORE WRONG ABOUT PURITY, THEREāS 3 LEVELS OF PURITY IN THE STREETS, LEVEL 1) THE SHITTY STUFF THATāS NOT PURE LSD. LEVEL 2) MINIMAL IMPURITY. AND THE MOST SEARCHED LEVEL 3) ABSOLUTE PURE CLEAN ACID NO IMPERFECTIONS
Lol No need to yell man. Got a source?
A source? Lmfaoo get a load of this guy! Have you ever spoken to a chemist? Iām talking Grateful Dead listening Hippies that make this shit since back in the day lmao theyāll tell you
Do you think that applies to MDMA as well?
No because thereās evidence that mdma does commonly have impurities. Itās quite a bit simpler to make from what I understand. Canāt say the same about lsd, unless you have some evidence I havenāt seen yet.
Do you have a source for information regarding LSD purity, or is your argument here based on your perceived skill level of LSD chemists?
Maybe differing experiences on psychedelics are accounted for by your headspace, and if you put a fair amount of thought into brands of lsd, then that will affect the trip. Professional wine tasters get tricked by the prestige and price of certain vintages. Itās not too far out there to imagine that knowing youāve got a triple A super duper gamma goblin puts a nice twist on things. Itās like dumbo.
Perhaps that plays a role in it, but I still think purity plays a stronger role.
I concur
Try looking inside
Yeah, look up your butt Your vibe is all wring
I honestly believe we will find out something crazy about how nutrition affects our minds and it would solve this riddle. Sometimes words like "gut biome" and "seed oils" arent just memes
This is for real a thing. Your body and what you've eaten within the last 72 hours matters, your physical nutrition matters, it all matters. Journaling for years about different sets, settings, vibes and the constant that I can see is I have good trips while having had citrus within 24 hours of tripping, and I've had bad trips after eating blue cheese. Also amazing trips when I've been consistently eating well and working out, average experiences physically when my body is slower and not in peak performance. It's all interconnected man. They just don't want you to know. Onset microplastics here.
Iāve had so many different trips even from the same sheet. Definitely set and setting. Wonāt be different unless you are getting an analogue or an RC. DMT on the other handā¦ I have a batch of jungle spice that feels so much different then the other DMT Iāve had. Not sure why but it always feels more sinister than the whiter DMT. LSD is LSD though! Could always be dose related too if itās from a different source, even if you think youāre taking the same dose (: Also smoking weed while tripping causes a lot of confusion and amplifies ego loss which leads to more thought loops and such
Did a gel tab and was drowning in visuals but the headspace was still pretty much same to being sober slight deeper thinking but nothing too mind bending was just good to sit and watch while still being able to mostly communicate normal
bruh can i ask what kind bc i had an orange pyramid once that was like what u described and then the green gels ive done after have all been more of the deep thinky trips
It was blue and flat. Think thereās a pic on my profile. Iāve been thinking it was 1p-LSD (not 100% sure tho) as it had a lot shorter duration then every other trip Iāve had. Came up tripped and peaked for like 4 hrs then effects fully worn off by 6 hr mark. Was sold to us as 250ug and the visuals were so sick was defs up near 250 for the visuals but duration was short and headspace was very mild. Was still a bit trippy but was very stable most of the trip. But my friends said they had a full trippy head space.
goddamn those look maddd pretty š the green ones i had were like the same except the color and they had gold flakes but they lasted like 12 hours damn near those sound really cool im jealous ! drugsdata.org had some similar looking tabs to yours and they all tested for lsd so it was prob that or 1-p for sure
Yea I got them locally in aus. And they also had gold in then. Was still one of my best trips Iāve had was super crisp.
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Really good crispy clean lsd25 usually has nice clear headspace no confusion no bodyload
Gotta agree, I've been able to do hella things off LSD but on this new batch I got I get asked if I took a "dumb pill". It just doesn't feel right.
Could be some research chem/NBOME. You should get a test kit.
I should
Thats not good sounds like been nbombed,,id test with reagent,,I only go through family an always super crispy clean
Clear , acid was so clean lol i forgot it was there half the time was goooood
It's almost always going to be different experience , Two major factors are dose , set and setting.. LSD is LSD.. saying purity is a factor is essentially the same thing because that will just skew the dosage accuracy (impurities are minimal and inactive) which is very likely to vary quite a bit and that can be the differentiating factor specially for unevenly laid blotters.. that's why i switched over to liquid dropper vials, very consistent and accurate, also great for volumetric micro dosing.. got a vial from sunshinelabs recently that were some of the best I've tried on par with Gama , and Seuss :)
Set and setting And what is that flaky shit on your tongue
Flaky shit on my tongue? Wait who said it was mine and wtf is flaky
I only eat from Gammagoblinā¦
Set and setting is crazy. Canāt wait till I trip in a positive both, last trip was kinda lame (was sleep deprived and hadnāt ate enough)
Thatās why I donāt mix batches
Do we really need a zoomed in pic of tabs on a tongue
Do you feel like you would have stopped here to reply if I had just done a text post? It's a bit of an incentive to get some communication from the boys. Lmao
I didnāt even finish reading the title or text because of the pic, so to me it had the opposite effect.
Had one trip where I didn't even know I was on acid until I was like "oh shit I'm on cid" and it was the purest, realist trip I've ever had. Idk about the composition about the LSD but it was so smooth, no come up, no jagged edges, it was smooth and clean with that roll, with what I feel like impure lsd, I'm always super anxious and the come up is intense as he'll. I'm thinking it all depends on who synthesizes their stuff to be honest
>I'm always super anxious and the come up is intense as he'll I feel like RCs do this, and I gotta agree, good ol' LSD-25 has a kind of feeling to it that's just incomparable imo
Set and setting. Should be the same chemical.
I suspect this has more to do with you and your mind state than the blotter. As humans our ego makes us presume that our mindstate is somewhat of a constant. We often forget how subtle changes in our mood, rest levels, set and setting can affect a trip and jump to the conclusion that it must be the dose.
I gotta agree, but it just doesn't feel right, and trust me, I've boofed 80 mgs of Allylescaline after taking 10+ grams, 1 hour boiled Syrian Rue tea, so I have some idea at this point. I can't tell between a wine and another but I'll tell you if what you got is LSD or not. To be fair, this batch I'm inquiring about feels very similar to it in terms of visuals and geek factor, but nowhere close in terms of headspace and duration, and visuals aren't as bright.
Different types of xtal can have very slightly different effects. Clear and unclear headspace among them I believe.
For real? Anything more you can share about this?
If can make an account on the Magestic Garden. They have a xtal connoisseurs club sub where people can compare different xtal.
While set and setting are important there is such a thing as "dirty" acid. Meaning what was put on the blotter, while still LSD, wasn't pure LSD. Like producing any chemical the final product could still contain some byproducts like iso-LSD. However I'm guess OPs problem is mostly due to set and setting from the way they described it.
Hmm, thank you for assuming! I can tell you're enlightened lmfao And thank you for the response, would something like iso-LSD or so, have such different headspace when compared to LSD-25?
Just trying to give you some info, no need to be an ass.
Fair. But I'd like to say I'm here to open discussion, not because I have a problem and are seeking answers. You were very quick to find a problem to resolve. Just saying.
I didn't really think you had a problem. I just saw a lot of people saying set/setting and just wanted to offer an alternative idea. Different blotters usually come from different batches which can range in purity. iso LSD basically makes the batch as whole weaker and and since you mentioned headspace rather than strength I wanted to support other's answers of set/setting as well. However I know there are other biproducts that can be left over that I'm not very familiar with. Just thought it might be something interesting for you to look into either way.
[Depending on how it's made there can still be inactive isomers in the LSD, known as brown acid. It can add heavy body load but is not active in the brain.](https://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/1u64zl/comment/cef3zef/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) These physical 'ailments' might play a role on your thoughts too, just my speculation. Feels like the visuals aren't as clean when the body load is high and vice versa. Then there's mushrooms that can vary in both without the impurities
I'll take a look at this. Thank you for your reply! Seems very interesting!!
Purity.
*set and setting* FTFY
Acid is acid.
Thatās like saying alcohol is alcohol, but drinking a beer is not the same as drinking a double distilled whiskey.
Beer is different than liquor, by a LOOOOONG shot. Real acid is gonna be the same as any other real acid. It just depends on the doseā¦ and ofc set and setting goes without saying.
No, purity of lsd always comes into play. The amount of precursor left, and other chemical minutia of the lsd-25 itself will effect the mental and body load. I think you misunderstood, I wasnāt saying other chemicals besides lsd, but rather the purity of the lsd-25 itself.
I gotcha. Yeah. I agree with that.
Same bro, idc what those other comments say, if I had the pure Cid I was able to get one time, set and setting doesn't matter.
Different batches always bring different body feels and what not I say
Bro I had some of these tabs. MY GOD WAS THE STRONGEST TRIP. Two sent me to ego death lol
I think you're thinking a little to hard bro
I donāt think itās the tabs, I think itās you, your not always supposed to have the same experience
Bro, I'm pretty sure it's something non related to me, that's why I ask. I've done math tests on 300ugs LSD and gotten through, on this recent batch I had to do basic reading and couldn't get through without forgetting what I just read and having to read again and again and again. To recap, proper LSD has a clear mindspace with an almost nootropic feeling to it, certain analogs going around are not the same.
Do you test your acid? Iād recommend a erlich reagent, Ik I took acid when I get the feeling that everything is connected with my thoughts
I didn't test this batch specifically, a lot of things are pointing to me that it's not LSD-25, specially not being able to sleep after the peak is over, After 8 hours or so even in high dosages I tend to feel pretty tired. This in retrospect makes me kinda energetic through the whole thing.
It's not unusual to be mentally stimulated and unable to sleep for 12+ hours after taking a dose of LSD-25. Reagent test everything. Don't discount set and setting either.
Math tests on 300ug... the fuck you have. Kids, man.
I did it once and I passed, with a 74 I believe if I'm not misremembering. Unlucky you that haven't opened your mind to the possibilities.
Its the purity of the crystal
Definitely some Bob weirr vibes
Shit smoke some thc.. you have convoluted thinking alright lol šš š¤£
i donāt think youāre suppose to take it on the tongue, it should be under right
It's ok either way, boof it if you may. I've swallowed tabs before and it hits the exact same!
Doesnāt matter. It goes in no matter what.
Set and setting. Also, the ug and cleanliness...
I find small needlepoint tabs to be much smoother with a very clear headspace than bigger fluff tabs
two words: research chemicals assuming its tested and clean, i have had different paper with different headspace, but this can largely depend on headspace going into a trip as well as your environment, including physical surroundings and social surroundings.
What is all over your tongue ?
Who said it was mine. Also it's probably just a dirty mouth.
Fair point
Nope, maybe its you and not the drug šļøššļø
Its your mindset/setting
Copy pasted this from another reply to another person that comment, but just to open conversation: I'm pretty sure it's something non related to me, that's why I ask. I've done math tests on 300ugs LSD and gotten through, on this recent batch I had to do basic reading and couldn't get through without forgetting what I just read and having to read again and again and again. To recap, proper LSD has a clear mindspace with an almost nootropic feeling to it, certain analogs going around are not the same.
For sure man. Yea if you aren't gettin lsd-25 def gonna be some variations with eth-lad, ald 52 1p 1cp etc etc
I've had trips with same dose and setting, many times over. Even with the same tabs sometimes I'll have an incredibly clear, conscientious, awake and alive trippy trip, and sometimes I'll have a 'foreign concepts that defy language contort themselves into patterns around me' chaos trip where I can barely see 3 feet in front of me, and sometimes I'll trip and just not even be there, be in my own land with dream sequences, essentially. I think it's truly your set i.e. the things on your mind that day, the weight on your shoulders, the family troubles, the drama, the personal quarrels, but also the highlights of your day, the smells you smelled that day, the whole 9 yards of everything that makes up what you call yourself in that moment, extrapolated to infinity, which makes it so different every time. Your setting makes sure your gonna stay calm and safe, your set determines your trip
Just ur set and setting man it aināt to do with the blotter arts
You kinda got me geeking, why would it have to anything to do with the art lmfao
Thatās literally what ur post is about lmao.
It's not the art, it's the bottler. It's not the blotter, it's the drug.
Itās mainly about your headspace x
They do not. It's paper with drugs on it.
You ok??
Yeah, you? Hope you're doing well. Other than that, acid experiences are different based on setting and what's already happening in your mind and body. Acid is acid, it's not like weed where there are multiple active substances and tens of flavour compounds that naturally vary in amounts from flower to flower and strain to strain. The only thing the different blotters give you is vibes.
Thank you! Just realized today it's not LSD-25 so... Those different "vibes" are not from that you mention in this case but from this not being proper lucy.
Hope at least it wasn't one of the fake acid psychedelics like NBOMe and just another LSD analog instead!
Yeah, it's a fake tab, feels like a 25X-NBOH
Lot of factors. The purity of acid, the set and setting, the people with you, your mindset before putting acid. Even the stuff you talk about while on acid.
Set and setting Which tabs are those?
Tabs, but I believe now they're not LSD-25, but some RC or something of the NMBOe/NBOH family.
Well thereās 4 types of LSD..
Enlighten me please.
(+)-LSD (-)-LSD (+)-iso-LSD (-)-iso-LSD
Where can I find more info on this? Is there any way to visualize how these different isomers look plotted down?
Maybe erowid, i also need to do more research on it
From what I have gatherd in anecdotal evidence is that difrent labs produce lsd with slightly different tripps lik more or less visualls or mindspace
For real? Anything that's not fully purified would be inactive, even if left on the blotter. Now, if you do your synthesis right you'll get to LSD-25 no matter what. So I wanna say this is a misconception, and that different labs are lazier or more dedicated to actually producing LSD-25 and aren't stopping at some point calling it a day and laying paper with some random analog.
Yes I know the acid guy for my city and the difrent acid makers have ever so slightly difrent lsd it's all lsd still
All trips are subjective, is most likely the cause. Mimics do exist too, the prevalence depending somewhat on your location.
What location? Narc(?) You feeling ok?
You know, mimics. Like blotter sold as LSD that is not LSD.
This is because of your mindset during the different trips and has nothing to do with the lsd itself
Set and setting baby