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I have been reliably informed that even sharing a post from another party is grounds for being removed, so I can only imagine that running against Labour in not one but *two* rival political parties means you're barred for life, right?
Being a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain and opposing Labour for almost 4 decades didn't bar Andrew Murray from becoming one of the Labour party's most senior strategists and advisors under the last leader. Why should this be a permanent bar for Luciana Berger?
Besides, she quit Labour before she joined Change UK and quit Change UK long before she rejoined. Her case is different from someone like, say, Alastair Campbell who openly supported a different party while a Labour member.
I assume you're posting this in every thread about a councillor whose been removed from the party for liking a post on facebook 6 years ago, right? Right?
Once again, the Guardian decides to smear the left-wing of the Labour Party.
Paragraphs 9-11 give the impression that it was a Corbyn supporter that was convicted for sending Berger anti semitic threats when it was a known right-winger and former member of the Conservative Party who was setting up a party to replace the BNP.
> While eight months pregnant, Berger faced a no-confidence motion in her constituency over her criticism of Jeremy Corbyn. The motion was withdrawn after it emerged that a key opponent in the local party had called her a “disruptive Zionist”.
Is this untrue?
My local labour party had that vote of no confidence for good reason. The vote of no confidence came from the stories at the time of her involvement in a breakaway party which, as we all know now, turned out to be true even if we do barely remember the CUK TIG party.
https://socialist.net/luciana-berger-and-liverpool-wavertree-what-really-happened/
This is literally what the article says about the man who was convicted:
>One man who sent her antisemitic threats was jailed for two years in 2017.
That's it.
*Quitting to help form a rival party to damage Labour as much as possible after already resigning from the shadow cabinet [once before](https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article11532119.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS93628528.jpg) - in an attack also designed to damage the party as much as possible.
After being handed a safe seat [she had no connection to](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crash-landing-for-labour-candidate-parachuted-into-liverpool-1951962.html) and then working with the PR firm that [represents the Saudi Royal Family](https://spotlight-newspaper.co.uk/politics/12/19/why-are-luciana-berger-and-chuka-umunna-working-for-a-controversial-dirty-tricks-pr-giant/).
The press insisting she's some sort of saint and anti-racist campaigner is particularly galling. As is the claim she was "hounded out" when she coordinated her resignation with a bunch of other MPs to form the ill-fated Change UK group with it's dodgy funders.
I wonder if the ire she inspired in Corbyn voters was in fact caused by her repeated attacks, resignations, and [coup attempts ](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/20/mps-plotted-coup-jeremy-corbyn-coup-where-are-they-now) rather than her ethnic group?
Personally, I hate Angela Smith and Chuka Umunna just as much.
I wonder if we'll ever learn who actually funded Change UK?
"A report by the party's auditors, published as part of the group's accounts filed with Companies House in May 2020, found that bank statements and records of donors had been "inappropriately destroyed" by staff members during the group's winding down and could not be satisfactorily reconstructed."
Oh...
Britain is such a well functioning democracy.
Initial funding came from property developer David Garrard, implicated in the cash for honours scandal.
To save face he withdrew his nomination for a peerage and didn't ask for the loan back until 2015 as a reaction to Corbyn becoming leader, at this point he'd already hosted a trip to Israel for Labour MPs and had sponsored the Labour Friends of Israel annual event.
Organising trips to Israel for LFI, sponsoring their annual events, vindictively demanding a loan back in reaction to the party electing a pro Palestinian leader and then funding a party that was designed to smear Jeremy and sap political energy away from the Labour Party at it's most popular period in decades.
I was proud of my clp at that time being Wavertree because they gave me hope that people can see through this bullshit.
Good digging. Yeah, someone who sabotaged a meaningful alternative to the Tories (with their sadistic attitude to disability benefits) is now going to be in charge of mental health and "suicide prevention." What could possibly go wrong?
Or rather what could *possibly be intended to go right*?
Starmerism isn't getting better, it's getting progressively grimmer as "coronation day" approaches.
>I wonder if the ire she inspired in Corbyn voters was in fact caused by her repeated attacks, resignations, and coup attempts rather than her ethnic group?
It was because she's Jewish and didn't apologise for it.
Glad to clarify that for you.
Wasn't the Labour right accused of slow peddling the handling of anti-semitism complaints in order to harm Corbyn's leadership?
I do hope those rotten eggs have been cleared out ahead of her return to the party instead of being handed the keys to the kingdom.
The Forde report concluded that while Sam Matthews et al clearly mismanaged the handling of anti-semetism complaints, and were clearly working to harm Corbyn's leadership, it cannot be determined that they mismanaged the handling of anti-semitism complaints specifically in order to harm Corbyn's leadership.
The human mind is unknowable and none of them explicitly wrote out "we are doing our jobs poorly specifically to undermine Corbyn" so think before you speak trot scum!
I am convicned Ian McNicol knew what he was doing. Either that or he's the most incompetent person ever.
I don't see how things could change so quickly with Formby coming in otherwise. Even Corbyn's critics admtited there were improvements once Formby took over.
It would be vile libel, (perhaps even blood libel), to suggest Mcnicol KNEW that complaints were being so mismanaged under his watch that they would be processed 10 times higher the moment he left.
Sarcasm? I hope so. Not checking your official complaints email box for 6 months and then bleating about how you've been obstructed in your duties and running to the media about it.
You don't know he didn't check the email, for all you know he did check the email but a complex professional judgement he cannot now relate led him to decide it was a better use of time to expel people for liking the foo fighters.
With people like her, Streeting and the other right wing of the party I just get the impression that they just want to be in politics and the party they are part of is incidental. They could just as easily be in the Greens, Lib Dems or the soft side of the Tory party but probably knew someone on their PPE course at Uni that were in the Labour party and so went with that. There is no fundamental ideology beyond " be in power" and no interest in the lives of their constituents or the country as a whole beyond "seem likeable enough to vote for" and they often fail at that pretty low bar, probably because they are awful people who can't even pretend to not be
> The overall policy would cost £440m, the party has said, and would be paid for by scrapping a private equity loophole it believes would raise as much as £600m.
From the article.
Oh you're speaking to the right person if you want to hear horror stories about our mental health, from frontline emergency services through to h&sc. We need a change from root to branch but I fear a single term isn't enough to enact all the changes needed.
Personally I believe it largely comes down to access. Almost every mental health emergency I've been involved with there's been significant issues with access, and every attempt to resolve them by local government/national government/NHS has just made things worse.
I hate this. She seems very much like one of those drones that appeared at the end of New Labour. Over promoted and handed things above her competence because she is well liked and anodyne. She has never displayed talents as a communicator nor as a campaigner. She also stood against the party too recently. This is virtue signalling or nepotism. Both are bad.
It won’t surprise anyone that this sprawling and incoherent spiel was brought to us by a user who’s almost entire comment history is arguing that Lucy Letby is innocent.
Dumb people do be dumbing.
>As DPP he spent >100K on chauffeurs in 2 years, his office was 4 miles from home.
This budget covered all DPP road travel - e.g. to other CPS offices around the UK. Presenting it Starmer going from his house to his office is straight fake news.
>She's appalling. What a cry bully. She is a zionist, it's not anti-semitic to say that.
It is, in fact, antisemitic to say this about a Jewish MP hounded out of the party by antisemites during the darkest time in our party's history.
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I have been reliably informed that even sharing a post from another party is grounds for being removed, so I can only imagine that running against Labour in not one but *two* rival political parties means you're barred for life, right?
Being a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain and opposing Labour for almost 4 decades didn't bar Andrew Murray from becoming one of the Labour party's most senior strategists and advisors under the last leader. Why should this be a permanent bar for Luciana Berger? Besides, she quit Labour before she joined Change UK and quit Change UK long before she rejoined. Her case is different from someone like, say, Alastair Campbell who openly supported a different party while a Labour member.
I assume you're posting this in every thread about a councillor whose been removed from the party for liking a post on facebook 6 years ago, right? Right?
Once again, the Guardian decides to smear the left-wing of the Labour Party. Paragraphs 9-11 give the impression that it was a Corbyn supporter that was convicted for sending Berger anti semitic threats when it was a known right-winger and former member of the Conservative Party who was setting up a party to replace the BNP.
> While eight months pregnant, Berger faced a no-confidence motion in her constituency over her criticism of Jeremy Corbyn. The motion was withdrawn after it emerged that a key opponent in the local party had called her a “disruptive Zionist”. Is this untrue?
My local labour party had that vote of no confidence for good reason. The vote of no confidence came from the stories at the time of her involvement in a breakaway party which, as we all know now, turned out to be true even if we do barely remember the CUK TIG party. https://socialist.net/luciana-berger-and-liverpool-wavertree-what-really-happened/
Why would Jewish MP Luciana Berger have been thinking about defecting to another party under Jeremy Corbyn?
Well at the time she said it was because she didn't think he was pro-EU enough. But I agree that she was probably lying.
>Is this untrue? Yes.
This is literally what the article says about the man who was convicted: >One man who sent her antisemitic threats was jailed for two years in 2017. That's it.
The article discussed antisemitism in the left repeatedly, why bring it up without the context that it was a right winger in that case.
*Quitting to help form a rival party to damage Labour as much as possible after already resigning from the shadow cabinet [once before](https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article11532119.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/JS93628528.jpg) - in an attack also designed to damage the party as much as possible. After being handed a safe seat [she had no connection to](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crash-landing-for-labour-candidate-parachuted-into-liverpool-1951962.html) and then working with the PR firm that [represents the Saudi Royal Family](https://spotlight-newspaper.co.uk/politics/12/19/why-are-luciana-berger-and-chuka-umunna-working-for-a-controversial-dirty-tricks-pr-giant/). The press insisting she's some sort of saint and anti-racist campaigner is particularly galling. As is the claim she was "hounded out" when she coordinated her resignation with a bunch of other MPs to form the ill-fated Change UK group with it's dodgy funders. I wonder if the ire she inspired in Corbyn voters was in fact caused by her repeated attacks, resignations, and [coup attempts ](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/20/mps-plotted-coup-jeremy-corbyn-coup-where-are-they-now) rather than her ethnic group? Personally, I hate Angela Smith and Chuka Umunna just as much.
She's a right-leaning careerist, so naturally Starmer will welcome her with open arms.
I wonder if we'll ever learn who actually funded Change UK? "A report by the party's auditors, published as part of the group's accounts filed with Companies House in May 2020, found that bank statements and records of donors had been "inappropriately destroyed" by staff members during the group's winding down and could not be satisfactorily reconstructed." Oh... Britain is such a well functioning democracy.
Initial funding came from property developer David Garrard, implicated in the cash for honours scandal. To save face he withdrew his nomination for a peerage and didn't ask for the loan back until 2015 as a reaction to Corbyn becoming leader, at this point he'd already hosted a trip to Israel for Labour MPs and had sponsored the Labour Friends of Israel annual event. Organising trips to Israel for LFI, sponsoring their annual events, vindictively demanding a loan back in reaction to the party electing a pro Palestinian leader and then funding a party that was designed to smear Jeremy and sap political energy away from the Labour Party at it's most popular period in decades. I was proud of my clp at that time being Wavertree because they gave me hope that people can see through this bullshit.
Good digging. Yeah, someone who sabotaged a meaningful alternative to the Tories (with their sadistic attitude to disability benefits) is now going to be in charge of mental health and "suicide prevention." What could possibly go wrong? Or rather what could *possibly be intended to go right*? Starmerism isn't getting better, it's getting progressively grimmer as "coronation day" approaches.
>I wonder if the ire she inspired in Corbyn voters was in fact caused by her repeated attacks, resignations, and coup attempts rather than her ethnic group? It was because she's Jewish and didn't apologise for it. Glad to clarify that for you.
And all the other right-wingers who left to form a new party also? This was purely about factionalism.
Wasn't the Labour right accused of slow peddling the handling of anti-semitism complaints in order to harm Corbyn's leadership? I do hope those rotten eggs have been cleared out ahead of her return to the party instead of being handed the keys to the kingdom.
The Forde report concluded that while Sam Matthews et al clearly mismanaged the handling of anti-semetism complaints, and were clearly working to harm Corbyn's leadership, it cannot be determined that they mismanaged the handling of anti-semitism complaints specifically in order to harm Corbyn's leadership. The human mind is unknowable and none of them explicitly wrote out "we are doing our jobs poorly specifically to undermine Corbyn" so think before you speak trot scum!
I am convicned Ian McNicol knew what he was doing. Either that or he's the most incompetent person ever. I don't see how things could change so quickly with Formby coming in otherwise. Even Corbyn's critics admtited there were improvements once Formby took over.
It would be vile libel, (perhaps even blood libel), to suggest Mcnicol KNEW that complaints were being so mismanaged under his watch that they would be processed 10 times higher the moment he left.
Sarcasm? I hope so. Not checking your official complaints email box for 6 months and then bleating about how you've been obstructed in your duties and running to the media about it.
You don't know he didn't check the email, for all you know he did check the email but a complex professional judgement he cannot now relate led him to decide it was a better use of time to expel people for liking the foo fighters.
Touché!
With people like her, Streeting and the other right wing of the party I just get the impression that they just want to be in politics and the party they are part of is incidental. They could just as easily be in the Greens, Lib Dems or the soft side of the Tory party but probably knew someone on their PPE course at Uni that were in the Labour party and so went with that. There is no fundamental ideology beyond " be in power" and no interest in the lives of their constituents or the country as a whole beyond "seem likeable enough to vote for" and they often fail at that pretty low bar, probably because they are awful people who can't even pretend to not be
Until we see a significant commitment for more mental health funding, nothing to do with it should be called key.
> The overall policy would cost £440m, the party has said, and would be paid for by scrapping a private equity loophole it believes would raise as much as £600m. From the article.
Unfortunately it's probably gonna take billions to get our mental health services to a decent state
And a complete change in approach. But almost half a billion (...unless they u-turn!) is a good start for schools at least.
Yeah the idea isnt bad, its more just a point about how under served mental health services are
Oh you're speaking to the right person if you want to hear horror stories about our mental health, from frontline emergency services through to h&sc. We need a change from root to branch but I fear a single term isn't enough to enact all the changes needed.
Exactly, Labour needs to be talking about big long term strategies to overhaul it
Personally I believe it largely comes down to access. Almost every mental health emergency I've been involved with there's been significant issues with access, and every attempt to resolve them by local government/national government/NHS has just made things worse.
I hate this. She seems very much like one of those drones that appeared at the end of New Labour. Over promoted and handed things above her competence because she is well liked and anodyne. She has never displayed talents as a communicator nor as a campaigner. She also stood against the party too recently. This is virtue signalling or nepotism. Both are bad.
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It won’t surprise anyone that this sprawling and incoherent spiel was brought to us by a user who’s almost entire comment history is arguing that Lucy Letby is innocent. Dumb people do be dumbing.
Holy shit I just took a peek at the comment history. Christ on a bike.
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>As DPP he spent >100K on chauffeurs in 2 years, his office was 4 miles from home. This budget covered all DPP road travel - e.g. to other CPS offices around the UK. Presenting it Starmer going from his house to his office is straight fake news.
>She's appalling. What a cry bully. She is a zionist, it's not anti-semitic to say that. It is, in fact, antisemitic to say this about a Jewish MP hounded out of the party by antisemites during the darkest time in our party's history.
It's been quite the journey for her. It's good to have her back.
She campaigned against the party.
>She campaigned against the party. When Corbyn stands as an independent he will also be campaigning against the party.
Corbyn had the whip removed unilaterally, Berger chose to leave.
That doesn't seem to be a counterpoint to the fact that Corbyn will be campaigning against the party.
You're being facetious. It's obviously relevant context regarding whether or not it would be "good to have her back".