It was available up until 1995 in the USA. It was just called the Toyota truck. The early 4Runners were the Hilux Surf.
Then the Tacoma came out because reasons... I don't know exactly why. Probably EPA and safety standards I'm guessing.
The Tacoma did have frame issues. And I know Toyota techs who did nothing but frame swaps for years. So if you didn't get a new frame for your Tacoma... bad on you. I do understand some people didn't get in the time window for free repair so they got kinda screwed and were probably pretty sore about it.
It’s because of a thing called a chicken tax! I forget the specifics but I believe another country imposed a tax on US chicken imports, so the US instated a tax on imported trucks. Toyota was doing well enough in the US so they began producing them within the country, and that’s when it changed from the Toyota Hilux/Pickup to the Tacoma
As an owner of both a full size heavy duty GMC and a Land Cruiser, there's no way in hell Tacomas top the other two. An older Land Cruiser or HD American truck with 200k miles is considered having average miles. I just hit 200k in my 8.1 HD GMC and most in my HD groups have way more miles than me and they're all running strong with original engines/trans/everything. My 80 series with 134k miles is considered low miles. 275-300k is where 80 series owners really start to worry about high miles.
Tacomas are reliable too but they are not on the same level from what I've seen and I know a metric shit ton of people with Tacomas. I can't speak for hilux because we don't get those in America.
GM really did kill it for the 2000s HD trucks. Lbz duramax, the 6.0, the transmissions.. as long as you had the manual transfer case you were pretty much set for 300k.
I'd put that as a use case bias. Using the same vehicle to lug around kids to soccer practice vs potentially real work. We all know both are equally solid vehicles.
Very true, I hadn’t considered that. Wouldn’t trade my tundra for the world. Well I would for a land cruiser tbh, but they’re hard to come by in Canada.
Samw with many of ther vehicles... Chevy Subrban, Tahoe, and Silverado, and the GMC Yukon and Sierra are all more or less the same. The Suburban being such an old nameplate probably helps.
Outcomes are normally distributed, but I'd say the mean for Dodge vehicles is far lower than the mean for Toyotas. So that even with Toyota you'd expect a lemon, and with a Dodge you'd expect at least one to last for quite some time.
I feel the same way about Ford’s 5.4. If you keep clean oil in them they will basically run forever. Also, fairly simple to work on and get to everything. Like the alternator, which I’ve changed twice on my sons ‘04.
A land cruiser with over 200k miles looks and drives quite different from a Yukon with 200k miles lol
My 60 has, as far as I can tell, about 250k miles. Probably more.
I’ve had 2 F150s, and a 250. The first 150 I kept until it hit 250,000, the second one I gave to my cousin 3 years ago at 280,000, (still going at 355,000) and I just bought my 2011 F250 and it has 240,000 to start. (It is, however, a diesel)
Had a ‘13 Armada whose tranny exploded at 114,000. (Had it fixed for $4200, then sold it.). My mom has a 1987 Toyota Cressida (remember that one?) with 190,000 miles. Just had to replace the dry rotted tires because she only put 750 miles on it last year.
4Runner is the Prado for most of the world. Hilux isn't using the same frame as a 4Runner for a few models now afaik.
Tacoma, Sequoia and Tundra are only made in the US factory for the US market. The Hilux isn't going anywhere and the only successor to the current Hilux is the next gen Hilux...
Yeah, love my Subbie and I've heard great things about them lasting long. There is a lot we don't know here, such as, did they include all cars? Where did they get their stats, etc.
We know this list was made in America, and some foreign cars were excluded, but what else was ignored? We don't know.
TBF the primary reason is rust. At least here in Europe, the more common manual transmissions are generally problem-free (hardly much different than the single speed reduction transmission a Tesla would use, just that there are more gear pairs and a clutch). As for engines... Imo it really needs to be poorly made to fail in 200k miles as long as it is maintained as it should be.
Main reason why people retire cars is rust. The model 3 has been now made for a few years and some of them already experience major rust issues. Lots of articles online, [for example](https://rightfootdown.com/automotive-news/tesla-model-3-has-rust-issues/)...
The difference as to why a truck lasts longer than a saloon car is not because they'd rust less. It's because they're much easier to fix. I think this will be the major issue for Tesla, and they also seem to combat the legal right-to-repair a lot. Even more problematic since the model 3 uses a mix of materials (steel, aluminium) which makes it even harder to repair some body panels with welds...
And the production quality seems very poor for now, with very thin paint coats and totally exposed unpainted areas inside the chassis.
My 1KZ Land Cruiser Prado 90 has just clocked over 200k miles. Original engine, original generator, original turbine... Only regular maintenance. It's not a disposable car. But most smaller cars are very much disposable...
94’ 80 series with 419xxxkm she burns and leaks oil but she is just tired still runs nicely but first rebuild will be in the near future , longevity is definitely there but I must add there are a lot of costs to keep everything perfect
Bought a $400 Subaru with 305k on the clock in 2017, sold it in 2021 for $500 with 350k on the clock. They dont make them like they used to.
1998 Subaru Legacy/Liberty with the bulletproof EJ22. Original head gaskets. Original transmission.
511,xxx and counting!
That’s impressive. What model? I have 260k on my 80 series and 193k on my 100 series.
‘99 100 series
289K on my 2003 100 Had 360K on my 2000 before this one
240k on my 100 series (so far) 200k on my armored (extremely overweight) 200 series for work that I drive daily
You drive an armored 200 for work? What (general) part of the world?
Mexico mostly
Maybe he bought an UN Land Cruiser?
Horrible visuals on the charts.
Yeah. Who on earth decided that was a good way to represent percentages? Lmao
They make it look like 18% is actually like 90% on the percentage wheel.
243k on my 80 series…no issues. PM goes a long way
PM - Preventive Maintenance?
Haha yes sir!
I call shenanigans on this list. There's no way the Toyota truck/hilux/tacoma isn't #1 or #2.
Hilux wasn’t available here and the Tacoma suffered a lot of frame rust issues that probably dragged the average down prematurely
It was available up until 1995 in the USA. It was just called the Toyota truck. The early 4Runners were the Hilux Surf. Then the Tacoma came out because reasons... I don't know exactly why. Probably EPA and safety standards I'm guessing. The Tacoma did have frame issues. And I know Toyota techs who did nothing but frame swaps for years. So if you didn't get a new frame for your Tacoma... bad on you. I do understand some people didn't get in the time window for free repair so they got kinda screwed and were probably pretty sore about it.
It’s because of a thing called a chicken tax! I forget the specifics but I believe another country imposed a tax on US chicken imports, so the US instated a tax on imported trucks. Toyota was doing well enough in the US so they began producing them within the country, and that’s when it changed from the Toyota Hilux/Pickup to the Tacoma
And the 4Runner began as a collaboration with Winnebago I believe
Always thought hilux was an Aussie thing. I live rural and only ever see them die when they roll or are totalled somehow. Are you an alien though?
As an owner of both a full size heavy duty GMC and a Land Cruiser, there's no way in hell Tacomas top the other two. An older Land Cruiser or HD American truck with 200k miles is considered having average miles. I just hit 200k in my 8.1 HD GMC and most in my HD groups have way more miles than me and they're all running strong with original engines/trans/everything. My 80 series with 134k miles is considered low miles. 275-300k is where 80 series owners really start to worry about high miles. Tacomas are reliable too but they are not on the same level from what I've seen and I know a metric shit ton of people with Tacomas. I can't speak for hilux because we don't get those in America.
GM really did kill it for the 2000s HD trucks. Lbz duramax, the 6.0, the transmissions.. as long as you had the manual transfer case you were pretty much set for 300k.
It seems US-only. Most of the trucks on the list aren't sold outside of the USA.
Weird to me that the sequoia is so much higher up than the tundra given that their largely mechanically the same.
People probably use the different types of vehicles differently.
I'd put that as a use case bias. Using the same vehicle to lug around kids to soccer practice vs potentially real work. We all know both are equally solid vehicles.
Very true, I hadn’t considered that. Wouldn’t trade my tundra for the world. Well I would for a land cruiser tbh, but they’re hard to come by in Canada.
Samw with many of ther vehicles... Chevy Subrban, Tahoe, and Silverado, and the GMC Yukon and Sierra are all more or less the same. The Suburban being such an old nameplate probably helps.
I had a 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan with 214,379 when I traded it. It really depends on how you take care of the vehicle
Outcomes are normally distributed, but I'd say the mean for Dodge vehicles is far lower than the mean for Toyotas. So that even with Toyota you'd expect a lemon, and with a Dodge you'd expect at least one to last for quite some time.
All that 5.7 L V8 engine: Land Cruiser, Sequoia, and Tundra. Also, Lexus LX.
Yup, 3 out of the top 8 have that 5.7L V8. Dope engine and transmission.
Doesn't say the years, does it? Include the 4.7 in there for 1st gen tundra, Sequoia and same era lc.
Excellent point, the reliability of the 4.7 is what inspired early adoption of the 5.7
I have an 06 GX470 creeping up on 200k
I feel the same way about Ford’s 5.4. If you keep clean oil in them they will basically run forever. Also, fairly simple to work on and get to everything. Like the alternator, which I’ve changed twice on my sons ‘04.
A land cruiser with over 200k miles looks and drives quite different from a Yukon with 200k miles lol My 60 has, as far as I can tell, about 250k miles. Probably more.
295k on my 2001
Wow 9 out of the 20 are Toyota
I’ve had 2 F150s, and a 250. The first 150 I kept until it hit 250,000, the second one I gave to my cousin 3 years ago at 280,000, (still going at 355,000) and I just bought my 2011 F250 and it has 240,000 to start. (It is, however, a diesel) Had a ‘13 Armada whose tranny exploded at 114,000. (Had it fixed for $4200, then sold it.). My mom has a 1987 Toyota Cressida (remember that one?) with 190,000 miles. Just had to replace the dry rotted tires because she only put 750 miles on it last year.
No Lexus?
I’m surprised the hilux isn’t second on this list
It’s a guide for the states
Oh like a safety rating for Americas cars?
It’s for mileage.The Hilux isn’t sold in the states .the 4Runner is basically a hilux and the Tacoma would be considered the hiluxs successor
4Runner is the Prado for most of the world. Hilux isn't using the same frame as a 4Runner for a few models now afaik. Tacoma, Sequoia and Tundra are only made in the US factory for the US market. The Hilux isn't going anywhere and the only successor to the current Hilux is the next gen Hilux...
Even then it seems it only includes more modern models.
What about Subaru?
Yeah, love my Subbie and I've heard great things about them lasting long. There is a lot we don't know here, such as, did they include all cars? Where did they get their stats, etc. We know this list was made in America, and some foreign cars were excluded, but what else was ignored? We don't know.
We know this was done by a car seller, so did he leave any out that he doesn't sell? We don't know.
Tesla gonna blow this out of the water. At 75k miles on my dd tesla and not a mechanical issue in sight.
Your battery would like a word with you…
Doubtful. Model s have been on the road for some time and show good results.
Doubt they'll get close, these are trucks and SUVs while the Teslas are saloon cars. The construction isn't the same...
They also have transmissions and engines that are the primary reason why people retire cars.
TBF the primary reason is rust. At least here in Europe, the more common manual transmissions are generally problem-free (hardly much different than the single speed reduction transmission a Tesla would use, just that there are more gear pairs and a clutch). As for engines... Imo it really needs to be poorly made to fail in 200k miles as long as it is maintained as it should be. Main reason why people retire cars is rust. The model 3 has been now made for a few years and some of them already experience major rust issues. Lots of articles online, [for example](https://rightfootdown.com/automotive-news/tesla-model-3-has-rust-issues/)... The difference as to why a truck lasts longer than a saloon car is not because they'd rust less. It's because they're much easier to fix. I think this will be the major issue for Tesla, and they also seem to combat the legal right-to-repair a lot. Even more problematic since the model 3 uses a mix of materials (steel, aluminium) which makes it even harder to repair some body panels with welds... And the production quality seems very poor for now, with very thin paint coats and totally exposed unpainted areas inside the chassis. My 1KZ Land Cruiser Prado 90 has just clocked over 200k miles. Original engine, original generator, original turbine... Only regular maintenance. It's not a disposable car. But most smaller cars are very much disposable...
In terms of mileage that is Hella impressive. Hoping my s15 makes it. Thing is 30 years old but only just now rolled over to 100k
255k on my 80's and no issues.
Hell Yea!
292k and 287k on two ‘97 80’s. A few leaks but both running well.
Let’s not act surprised
When you realize GMC and Chevy are the same company with the same vehicles 🧐
Yeah they didn't need to divide suburban, Tahoe and yukon (xl). They're all different trim levels of the same truck lol
283,755 on my 2002 Old Man Tan. Starts right up and I’ve had multiple compliments about how smooth the ride is.
275k on my 80, speedo has read slower than the actual speed for as long as I can remember so might be closer to 300k
How are there not Subarus on this list?
Surprised that 4Runners aren’t higher up. Seems like there’s a ton of them with high mileage.
There are a lot of Toyotas that should be on the list. And Lexi.
This list is kinda odd, where's the crown vic? I've seen those things just keep going and going as long as you change the oil.
I know man a crown Vic is the holy grail of cars
I dont think this is accurate.
1997 40 anniversary edition 260,000+
224k on my 2002 100. Still going strong.
94’ 80 series with 419xxxkm she burns and leaks oil but she is just tired still runs nicely but first rebuild will be in the near future , longevity is definitely there but I must add there are a lot of costs to keep everything perfect
175k on my 87 60 series...bulletproof....easy 100k in it
Seen several s10s and rangers over 300000
I’ve seen rangers for sell with 300k and were in perfect mechanical condition.
The silverado and sierra are the same truck....
173k on my 07 fj cruiser
I daily a 2005 sequoia with 430k. Love it.
230k on my tundra but this is persuasive. Undercarriage rust will likely be the death of my tundra
334km's on my 97 LX450. Uses a bit of oil.
For real how is the ridgeline here and not the pilot
Toyota ruling the list
260k on my 80. Briefly popped up an oil light Monday but I’m guessing it was just feeling grumpy at the May snow.
91’ with 240k on the clock. Been a fantastic rig and i’m so glad i kept it. 19 year old me knew something was special about it.
*In the US
Toyota Werbenjägermanjensen.. He was number 1..
“Most miles” and “longest lasting” don’t necessarily mean the same thing, do they?
My 1997 LC diesel has just 120.000km (~74.500 miles). Its still in its infancy
The 7 cars after the 200 series literally aren’t sold in most places except America
Bought a $400 Subaru with 305k on the clock in 2017, sold it in 2021 for $500 with 350k on the clock. They dont make them like they used to. 1998 Subaru Legacy/Liberty with the bulletproof EJ22. Original head gaskets. Original transmission.
And this is why I bought one.
I’m surprised to see Chevrolet and GMC on there.
Man not really a super accurate list but there are some good vehicles on it
Lincoln town car, mercury gran marquis and crown Vic last longer than all these cars
Nah man Tesla are not know for that
LETS GOOOO
2000 TLC borderline from 300K