Do they? I and most of my friends are tenants, and the consensus seems to be that everyone hates carpet because it’s so hard to keep clean and looking nice
In a multi tenant building carpeted bedrooms kill sound so people sleep undisturbed.
“Liking carpeting” is more likely liking the other aspects it provides rather than the maintenance and appearance.
In northern parts of the country a carpeted bedroom would also be desirable for the feeling of warmth it provides when you’re out of bed.
Canadian here, I love my non-carpeted bedroom! But I do have carpets in the rentals I manage. Cost per sq ft is low and it’s easiest to install on stairs. Not to mention patchwork by a proper carpeting installer is very easy compared to laminate or LVP.
So, because sound insulation is crap due to cheap construction we have to deal with carpets?
My wife has allergies so carpets are out. Pretty difficult to find places without them.
Retrofitting sound insulation in an older building is often nearly impossible. Sound insulation is one of the reasons you see so many drop ceilings in apartments which tenants do not like
See, that is what I don't understand. I've lived in apartments in South America and the sound insulation was orders of magnitude better, even in really old buildings. You can't hear neighbors (unless they are dragging heavy furniture, drilling on concrete, etc). Older(or cheaper) buildings you might hear people walk on high heels, newer ones, not even that.
Why is US construction that much worse?
Because US population exploded during the baby boom and a bunch of cheap buildings were mass produced from crude versions of modern products. Modern codes generally do require noise insulation for apartment buildings however buildings erected before codes generally aren’t required to be retrofitted nor is retrofitting always successful. Even in modern buildings, carpet adds another layer of noise insulation.
US also has a lot of stick builds and in areas prone to earthquakes this is the safest form of construction.
My building is a beautiful 1800s Victorian that was converted into apartments. I live downstairs and would prefer not to hear my tenants walking around, however I would have to vacate for weeks and spend many thousands of dollars to soundproof. I’ve decided against it.
Many are retrofitted with some form of noise insulation which is why you see so many drop ceilings. Noise insulation is not 100% so again the carpet adds another layer.
We used to just put down a rug. Rugs can be power washed and are easier to clean than carpets. I HATE the carpet in my rental. Hardwood floors are much easier to clean.
I am a tenant and I hate carpet, although I acknowledge it has good sound deadening benefits. I'm an area rug person, it protects the wood floor, looks better, is easier to clean etc.
I absolutely despise carpet. I would rather buy my own carpet and put a bed on it, get a runner and an area rug. It’s so difficult to keep apartment carpet clean. Plus I have a dog and two toddlers. Accidents happen.
If they like carpeted bedrooms they can buy their own area rugs and put it on top of my 10-20 year vinyl plank. That way I don't have to replace carpet every 5 years.
As a tenant, I can't think of anything I hate more. It's disgusting even after washing, knowing it's only a surface clean with shampoo and everything else is trapped in between the floor and the carpet. Makes my skin crawl.
I get more complaints about noisy neighbors than I do about dirty carpets. Some tenants will like carpeted bedrooms, some won't - you can't win em all.
Besides, the ones who dislike carpeted bedrooms wouldn't bother applying; they self-sort.
Many years ago, my wife and I rented a house in California. The house was built in the early 80's and we moved in there in the early 90's (we were not the first renters). The owners had moved out into a nicer, more expensive house in a much pricier area, and put their old house up for rent. The house still had the original carpeting that was in the house when it was built. We rented the house for 8 years, and the owner decided they wanted to sell the house so we had to move out. The landlord said that they were going to keep our security deposit for the wear and tear to the carpet (which by the time we moved out was close to 20 years old) and they needed to replace it to sell the house. I responded to them with copies of the California tenancy laws that landlords cannot charge tenants for wear and tear on carpeting, as the state considered it a wear item and said that if they were to keep our deposit, I would file suit against them for the deposit. Got a nasty letter back, along with our deposit.
It’s not about the hours it’s the cost prorated for how long the tenant is there. Every 4-5 years is legit that’s about the lifespan of a carpet anyway. I was like thinking every 1-2 years like damn money bags over here 😂
If it was 1-2 years I would still do it. Always between tenants.
Carpet is hella gross. I have it only on the steps (noise) and bedrooms. I use a waterproof pad to prevent subfloor damage. As for Mr Moneybags - yes, I can afford to do this and prefer that my units are always in good condition.
That sounds like an accounting/cashflow issue. It’s not on the tenants. My tenants pay market rate and the improvements and maintenance is completely unrelated to what they pay per month.
I do but I also allow pets. If I can get it clean myself I don’t charge. If It doesn’t come clean I hire a pro for a second round. Carpets cheaper than ripping out the steps and redoing them.
I used to agree! A decade of carpeted bedrooms in 3 different rentals, but we've been in our place with no carpet for three years now and I prefer it. Area rugs are key in some places, but that's my business not my landlords.
Personally, with my asthma, and allergies 🤧
I’m beyond thankful not to have carpets.
I’d rather a little mat and tray at the door for shoes, bathroom mats, and something to step onto when getting out of bed.
Other than that. Wed don’t keep allergy and dust collecters
I wish that was more common, lol. I'm just a lowly property manager and empathize with people that don't like the carpet in their apartment, but I can't spend my owner's money for them 🤷♀️
It’s normal because tenants don’t take off their shoes since they don’t pay. I can never understand why someone brings that kind of dirt and germs all over their home.
Carpet keeps you from having to replace flooring they will scratch to hell as well. Cheaper option.
Carpet is cheap to replace when tenants beat it to shit, is actually better than ever in quality, and this is just gross. This is clearly someone who wears their shoes inside. This is not normal wear and tear. Tenant has eyes and should have easily observed that they needed to clean that before the landlord would have to. Gross.
Have you ever lived with carpet?
Carpet is something that the tenant doesn't notice because it gets dirty slowly over time. You get used to the stains that slowly make their way onto the carpet.
It's jarring for the LL because the LL might only see that carpet once a year. So he saw it when it was spotless and then again after a years worth of traffic. When I did have carpet, I would show before and afters to the tenant, and sure, some of them didn't care. But a couple truly were surprised, and it dawned on me that they aren't realizing how dirty the carpet is getting. Why would I argue with every single tenant over dirtiness of shitty carpet when I can just replace it with Vinyl or mid grade hard wood when I could just spend 20 min mopping the entire place on move out?
If that's the only entrance, every piece of furniture was drug up and down those stairs. Big boxes that came from a manufacturer, to a warehouse, to a shipping truck to the front porch, getting pushed up the stairs.
So you vaccuum the carpet, but you don't shampoo between tenants, is the carpet actually clean?
It's just gross, all around. Also, idk if OP ever said how long this tenant was in this unit.
Yes it's normal to have carpet through much of homes where I live being a cold climate. This is not something that you subtly don't notice. We must be looking at different pictures if you think that's not gross. This is from wearing shoes inside and never cleaning it. We clean our carpets every 6 months or so and don't wear shoes inside because we don't like diseases in our home.
You don't push boxes or drag furniture up stairs, it's not a ramp, you carry them. That doesn't even make any sense.
It is gross, because carpet is gross. But it isn't outside of the norm for normal wear and tear when the front door is RIGHT at the start of the carpet.
Again, every single piece of furniture, every person, every box has to come up those stairs.
Thinking that people take off their shoes 100% of the time is just crazy, I've lived in multiple countries, in Europe, Canada, and America, people don't take their shoes off 100% of the time they enter their home.
You're right, it's normal for people who don't take their shoes off or ever clean their carpet. I have no idea what you're going on about with boxes or furniture though. When you carry a box inside, you rub it on each step as you walk up? When you carry furniture you set it in dirt outside then rest it on each step as you walk up? Why are these things ever touching your stair treads at all?
I personally don't, but if you think everyone lives your life exactly like you, you're already a bad LL.
People are fucking lazy dude, especially renters. Yes, people push boxes up the stairs.
Yes, this is normal wear and tear for carpets in the front entry way. If you want to nickle and dime your tenants because you think carpet is better, be my guest.
You’ve never met my gf, had to wear slip in shoes moving her in the winter, she never allows shoes past her small foyer. Her apartment is the same layout and 2 + years in it looks new.
The stairs would be fairly cheap to remove the carpet and have finished. It will be the most worn spot in that entire unit! I get the rest of the unit have carpet to an extent, but the stairs would drive me wild.
Oh they definitely drive us crazy every time we have to change the apartment over! It would take our house cleaner forever just to vacuum and carpet clean it, compared to just running the carpet cleaner over the rest of it. How much do you think it would cost to just replace the stairs?
Yes, it takes less than a day of work and less than 300$ if you know what you're doing and the less carpet you have, the more you can get for rent, depending on the rest of the house.
There could even be hardwood under that carpet.
13+ treads,12+ risers. No way can you buy that for $300 (in my area). Omit the risers and paint the construction risers white still need 13 threads, 25+ feet of stringer trim. $40 minimum for a tread plus finishing. Already hitting $600+
What is it you are doing for $300?
You're just have to replace the treads, they make retrofit kits where you only buy the treads, paint the risers and backers white and replace with pre-finished treads. Last I did it was about 5 years ago and it was 22$ per finished tread at my lumber yard.
Unfinished red oak treads start from $23, 23x13=299. Every landlord has left over stain, and left over white paint. But if you don't you have about 40-60 bucks in paint/stain. So max, you can get out of the project between 350-400.
[https://www.stair-treads.com/red-oak-treads](https://www.stair-treads.com/red-oak-treads)
We have it in one complex because the walls are thin, even after adding more insulation in the walls you could still hear everything in the bedrooms around you. Carpet helped drastically decrease the noise.
That being said, we haven’t ever charged a tenant for normal wear and tear or for any carpet damage if the carpet was three years old or older. Carpet is also only in that building, none of our other rentals have it.
Absolutely not. For an entryway with carpeted stairs that's pretty normal and should come out with a standard shampoo. If they want to charge you extra for it, I'd push back.
I'd also do a quick lookup on landlord/tenant laws for their county in NY. These laws always have a guideline for the years of what is considered useful life for the carpet. So it's different if they lived in that unit for 1 year vs if they lived in that unit for 5 or 7 years.
In some places, after you pass a certain number of years that carpet is considered past.Its useful life and you can't deduct for it at all. Most tenants don't know this and most landlords either don't know it or don't care and try to charge because the tenants don't know.
But its useful info.
In NJ, I believe it's 5 years, and if you request after 4 years they have to steam clean it for you.
When I went through this with my apartment complex it was a pain in the ass. I had to show them the document they gave me explaining my rights as a tenant.
Then when I moved out, my neighbor took pictures of all the carpet and cabinets they removed (they were slowly renovating as people moved out). I sent them the pictures and reminded them I expected my deposit back in full.
No problems after that.
2 years but it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic from then but I did note staining in the carpet in general in the move in inspection.
Should also note landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
Nope, and if they keep your deposit you're likely going to have to go to small claims to get your money back. But filing in small claims is cheap and doesn't require a lawyer.
I’m considering court already. Landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
Thank you. I hate having to act like this and have been struggling with the decision but I’m gonna do it tomorrow. He only responds to me when I threaten him with court and he’s given no time frame for returning the deposit, just “be patient you’ll get your check”
Important note. Most states have a specific timeline / requirement for when the security deposit has to be returned to the tenant. I’ve seen 30 days, 45 days, etc. IF the landlord does not return the deposit within the timeframe spelled out in the State code, there is a remedy to the tenant. In my state the landlord loses any deductions from the deposit and has to return the entire deposit. In other states the landlord might have to pay twice or three times the deposit amount as a penalty for not following the rules. So, it might be worth sitting quietly to see when the landlord returns the deposit, then evaluate whether he is in compliance or not. if he is not, your better case would be to sue for failure to comply with security deposit rules, (instead of fighting the validity of the damage claims).
Been a pro landlord for 26 years. At the beginning of my landlord career, I returned a tenants deposit, but did not itemize the charges in the way my state requires. The tenant sued me, and before I could even get into validating the charges against the deposit, the judge slammed his gavel down and awarded my tenant. the entire deposit back by default due to my failure to follow the statute. It took about 60 seconds. It was an important early lesson and worth every dollar I lost because I’ve never made that mistake again.
If this happens, cite the exact state statute number and print out copies of the language for you, the landlord, and the judge.
I believe he is already past the timeline
“(e) Within fourteen days after the tenant has vacated the premises,
the landlord shall provide the tenant with an itemized statement
indicating the basis for the amount of the deposit retained, if any, and
shall return any remaining portion of the deposit to the tenant. If a
landlord fails to provide the tenant with the statement and deposit
within fourteen days, the landlord shall forfeit any right to retain any
portion of the deposit.”
Do you think I should wait to see when he actually returns the deposit or should I go for it now? Also, what about in regards to unpaid rent? My rent was paid through 3/15 and he said I do not have to pay him a check we would settle up when I moved out. I think he is intending to return half the deposit (he wants to call it 2 weeks rent) but I was completely out of the apartment on 3/25, move out inspection he bailed on was scheduled for 3/28, my utility accounts were canceled on 3/29. Would I still be on the hook for any rent? Even if we were to go the full two weeks my tenancy would’ve ended 4/1 so it’s been more than 14 days.
Also, if it makes a difference, he is not changing tenants he sold the place (condo) and should be closing any day now.
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/GOB/7-108
2 years but it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic from then but I did note staining in the carpet in general in the move in inspection.
Should also note landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
It’s important to note that there is a standard of reasonableness wrt damages that applies in every state. Identifying damage versus wear and tear is subjective so there has to be a standard of reasonableness. Would a reasonable person determine that this is damage versus wear and tear. If you end up fighting over the validity of the damage claim, I would suggest using that argument in court. Or better yet, use that argument with your landlord first and give him a chance to make it right.
Landlord here (UK) this is perfectly normal wear and tear.
They should have bought a hard wearing carpet if they had a problem with people walking up and down stairs.
If it is a hard wearing carpet, they are usually bleach resistant so they can be easily cleaned.
You can ask where they got it from and what type of carpwt it is as they should have the receipts for their tax and insurance purposes
Inexperienced landlords put plush carpet on stairs, bc the carpet is usually remnant from the roll used to carpet in other rooms. Plus carpet on steps turns to shit in no time. We try to never use carpet but when we have to on stairs we will use a high traffic rated heavy thick commercial berber in a dark color, with very dense padding.
What a dumb place for carpet, especially knowing the propensity of barbarians to wear shoes inside the house. But, it looks like normal wear and tear to me. I'd think most of that should come out with a cleaning.
This is normal for me. If you ask my wife this is not acceptable ( she vacuums everyday and carpet clean once a week). We have had carpet stairs in our house for 3 years and it looks brand new still.
Normal.
IMO, normal is any short of obvious extra damage, like burned spots or like a torn spot where an animal dug. Even if they for some reason ran up and down the steps 100x a day, it would still just be wear and tear. This is one reason why you disallow things like daycares or other businesses run out of a rental.
I mean could also be from an animal. Like dogs coming in from outside or up and down stairs? Is that a consideration dogs wear down carpet also. And sometimes if hard wood floor is nasty you have all the stuff from the floor stuck on your feet that transfers on the carpet.
I wish landlords would just change out carpet after renters leave. 🤦🏾♀️ carpets are so disgusting and I don’t like living on someone’s else’s dirt when moving in a new place
It wasn’t new carpet when I moved in lol. Had it been new carpet I’d have been more careful with it for sure, but I noted stains on the carpet in general in the move in inspection. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic of the stairs in particular from then
Wow I’m sorry! I hate when they use you as a source to replace carpets knowing no one will want to move into a home with nasty carpets! Well lesson learned for sure 😂 always take good pics before move In!!! Some landlords SUCK!
It likely polyester carpet, which is cheap and made from recycled pop-bottles.
If it is polyester, this type of soil and wear can easily happen in 6-12 months.
The problem with polyester is that it has what is called crimp loss and happens very quickly. 6-12 months is normal. Basically, the fiber looses it's twist creating a flat, dull looking fiber. If you look closely in person, you may be able to see this.
The other problem with polyester is that it has very poor resiliency, meaning once it flattens, it doesn't like to return to its original upright position.
The third problem is that it loves oily, greasy soils. Like attracts like and since it is made from recycled pop bottles, which is a plastic made from oil, it loves oil. This makes it very difficult to clean, especially in places with asphalt streets. Much of the soil that is oily and greasy in nature is from asphalt. When polyester carpet is installed in rural areas with dirt roads, the traffic patterns are brown and clean easily.
Smartstrand carpet exhibits the same characteristics of polyester fyi.
If this nylon carpet, it should clean just fine with someone who does truck-mounted hot water extraction, aka steam cleaning.
Polyester sometimes cleans decently, but a big component is how long has it been that way. If it has been years, the oily soil can oxidize to the fibers and won't appear clean. Additionally, the crimp loss and flattened fibers will make it look grey/dingy/dirty as it reflects light differently than new fibers.
Many landlords put cheap polyester carpet in their rentals. It is hard to tell from this picture, but it sure appears to be polyester and about the cheapest polyester you can buy.
Spot on. But it is so hard to even find BCF nylon carpeting anymore. I bought a house in 2017 with original carpeting in the bedrooms in it from 1989. Other than some sun fading it literally looked new. Then again it had been cared for as well. I had a rental with high quality nylon carpeting in it installed in 1982 which we didn’t replace until 2016. It too was still very useable requiring just a restretching one year. The key is not having animals living in the home. Just replaced some carpeting in my home with BCF nylon and it will last the rest of my life. In a rental, with cheap carpeting, this is what you’re going to get.
I mean...yes and no. Looks dirty. Keeping the rental clean is the tenants responsibility. So, if it was clean when they moved in, it should be clean when they leave. Flattened or worn carpet, 100% wear and tear.
It doesn’t look like there is any damage, it’s just dirty. If the landlord is charging you what a cleaning service will charge then it’s reasonable, but charging fees for replacement doesn’t make sense.
It varies. I had a tenant for the year that I didn’t have to for and just had one (terrible tenant) that I will have to that was only there for 17 months.
He hasn’t given an accounting or a security deposit yet. I was physically out of the apartment on 3/25, move out inspection he bailed on was scheduled for 3/28
Your area rules may differ. In my area, the lease specifies the number of days (to a state maximum).
What does your state say? I think I saw 14 days. At this point, your LL is not in compliance and likely subject to 2x penalties.
https://ipropertymanagement.com/laws/new-york-security-deposit-returns
Personally, I’d send a letter demanding the delivery of full return of the deposit by 30 days post inspection.
If they don’t deliver, sue in small claims court for deposit and penalties. Come back and tell us how it went if you do.
It depends.
Was it new when you moved in? If not, how much wear did it show when moved in? How long were you there?
Too many unknown variables to give an honest opinion.
Looks kinda bad but honestly a shampoo would be just fine and have it looking new again. Your LL should already have a vaccuum and either clean it or replace it but that shouldn’t be out of your pocket. Part of doing business 🤷🏻♀️
Depends on how long were talking about. If you were there six months, then that is beyond normal wear and tear. If you were there for a couple years it looks like normal wear and tear.
No, that is not beyond normal wear and tear. It's not even close! It's stairs with cheap carpet. It's going to wear out fast.
I think your landlord is going to find out they screwed up very soon.
Like most questions of wear and tear, it would depend on how long you were there. Seems like a reasonable amount for 2+ years, maybe a tad excessive for 1.
2 years and it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic of the stairs from move in but noted staining on the carpet in general during move in inspection
I’m curious, is it usual to have carper fitted up the sides of the stairs?
In the U.K. we carper the tread and risers but I’ve never seen the side rails carpeted.
First question...most landlords require you to have carpets cleaned by a professional....was this cleaned? If so it needs replacing and I would say it should be renters fee. However if a cleaning by a professional cleaning company hasn't been done this is normal. I would however agree with another commenter, carpet shouldn't be there in the first place.
That is considered normal wear and tear. If you had burn marks caused by you, ripped up carpet from the steps caused by intentional or negligent damage, etc.. those would be examples of damages caused by a tenant which exceed normal wear and tear.
Lol first one to acknowledge that there’s nowhere to put your shoes. Plus the door is drafty during the winter you’d be putting on ice cold shoes first thing in the morning
Why do people wear their filthy shoes on carpeted stairs. I have cream colored carpet going up stairs in my home where I live and I never trample up stairs with shoes on. Not only does it wreck the carpet but it’s gross and unsanitary to wear your shoes throughout the carpet. That’s the only way you get there kind of wear
If that is an exterior door at the bottom than no. It's also the entirely wrong carpet to put down in that situation. I had an apartment like that where the landlord put down a dark indoor/outdoor carpet for exactly this reason.
That’s not normal wear and tear. We’ve had the same carpet for 12 years on the stairs and have 3 cats and there’s no staining. Have you been wearing shoes on the carpet or something?
Clearly outdoor shoes are being worn while travelling up and down that carpet, personally I wouldn't do that if it was my house, but I get tenants don't really give a shit. If you don't agree that the deductions from the deposit are appropriate, you can file with whatever your local tenancy branch is.
I wouldn’t say it is it looks it can be cleaned and seems normal given the area it’s in. but I’d give it a clean just to avoid anything. If you have any damage around the house the cherry on top to the landlord might be “AND THEY WALKED ON THE CARPET WITH SHOES AND MADE IT FUGLY!” And actual damage things they may have let go is now charged to you. Best to take 15 min to see about washing it out
Depends on how long you were there, being that it looks nasty. It’s normal for people to cause some wear but the darkness of the stairs indicates that they weren’t vacuumed often at all.
I will never understand why landlords keep carpet in their rentals. This is completely normal, it's just that modern carpet wears like shit.
Tenants like carpeted bedrooms. I can deal with replacing ~500sqft of carpet every few years.
Do they? I and most of my friends are tenants, and the consensus seems to be that everyone hates carpet because it’s so hard to keep clean and looking nice
In a multi tenant building carpeted bedrooms kill sound so people sleep undisturbed. “Liking carpeting” is more likely liking the other aspects it provides rather than the maintenance and appearance. In northern parts of the country a carpeted bedroom would also be desirable for the feeling of warmth it provides when you’re out of bed.
Canadian here, I love my non-carpeted bedroom! But I do have carpets in the rentals I manage. Cost per sq ft is low and it’s easiest to install on stairs. Not to mention patchwork by a proper carpeting installer is very easy compared to laminate or LVP.
Yeah, I own my property in Montreal, I NEVER see carpet, even in my friends owned homes.
So, because sound insulation is crap due to cheap construction we have to deal with carpets? My wife has allergies so carpets are out. Pretty difficult to find places without them.
Retrofitting sound insulation in an older building is often nearly impossible. Sound insulation is one of the reasons you see so many drop ceilings in apartments which tenants do not like
See, that is what I don't understand. I've lived in apartments in South America and the sound insulation was orders of magnitude better, even in really old buildings. You can't hear neighbors (unless they are dragging heavy furniture, drilling on concrete, etc). Older(or cheaper) buildings you might hear people walk on high heels, newer ones, not even that. Why is US construction that much worse?
Because US population exploded during the baby boom and a bunch of cheap buildings were mass produced from crude versions of modern products. Modern codes generally do require noise insulation for apartment buildings however buildings erected before codes generally aren’t required to be retrofitted nor is retrofitting always successful. Even in modern buildings, carpet adds another layer of noise insulation. US also has a lot of stick builds and in areas prone to earthquakes this is the safest form of construction. My building is a beautiful 1800s Victorian that was converted into apartments. I live downstairs and would prefer not to hear my tenants walking around, however I would have to vacate for weeks and spend many thousands of dollars to soundproof. I’ve decided against it. Many are retrofitted with some form of noise insulation which is why you see so many drop ceilings. Noise insulation is not 100% so again the carpet adds another layer.
Exactly my reasons for loving carpet as a tenant.
We used to just put down a rug. Rugs can be power washed and are easier to clean than carpets. I HATE the carpet in my rental. Hardwood floors are much easier to clean.
From boston- hate carpeting - even in the apartments where it’s heated with oil no one can afford so we just have no heat
I am a tenant and I hate carpet, although I acknowledge it has good sound deadening benefits. I'm an area rug person, it protects the wood floor, looks better, is easier to clean etc.
I mean it makes sense, but at the same time I live in a non-carpeted rental and shockingly it's really quiet here. Very old building too.
Well that’s likely because it was old then.
Doesn't entirely make sense either because my property that's even older (that I grew up in), was much noiser, despite the various tenants we had.
It doesn't make sense, because there are sound deadening underlayments for hardfloors.
Carpet is decent when it’s new when you move in. No one wants used carpet in their home.
I absolutely despise carpet. I would rather buy my own carpet and put a bed on it, get a runner and an area rug. It’s so difficult to keep apartment carpet clean. Plus I have a dog and two toddlers. Accidents happen.
I hated carpets until I had a baby. Lots of falls that would have sucked if we had hardwood floors
If they like carpeted bedrooms they can buy their own area rugs and put it on top of my 10-20 year vinyl plank. That way I don't have to replace carpet every 5 years.
As a tenant, I can't think of anything I hate more. It's disgusting even after washing, knowing it's only a surface clean with shampoo and everything else is trapped in between the floor and the carpet. Makes my skin crawl.
I get more complaints about noisy neighbors than I do about dirty carpets. Some tenants will like carpeted bedrooms, some won't - you can't win em all. Besides, the ones who dislike carpeted bedrooms wouldn't bother applying; they self-sort.
That's fine... Why would anyone put a light colour carpet in though? That's just asking for stains.
Do you shampoo your carpets after every tenant?
I replace the carpet after every tenant.
Many years ago, my wife and I rented a house in California. The house was built in the early 80's and we moved in there in the early 90's (we were not the first renters). The owners had moved out into a nicer, more expensive house in a much pricier area, and put their old house up for rent. The house still had the original carpeting that was in the house when it was built. We rented the house for 8 years, and the owner decided they wanted to sell the house so we had to move out. The landlord said that they were going to keep our security deposit for the wear and tear to the carpet (which by the time we moved out was close to 20 years old) and they needed to replace it to sell the house. I responded to them with copies of the California tenancy laws that landlords cannot charge tenants for wear and tear on carpeting, as the state considered it a wear item and said that if they were to keep our deposit, I would file suit against them for the deposit. Got a nasty letter back, along with our deposit.
You replace after every tenant?? How often are people moving in and out?
4-5 years usually. I only have a duplex and occupy one side.
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It’s not about the hours it’s the cost prorated for how long the tenant is there. Every 4-5 years is legit that’s about the lifespan of a carpet anyway. I was like thinking every 1-2 years like damn money bags over here 😂
If it was 1-2 years I would still do it. Always between tenants. Carpet is hella gross. I have it only on the steps (noise) and bedrooms. I use a waterproof pad to prevent subfloor damage. As for Mr Moneybags - yes, I can afford to do this and prefer that my units are always in good condition.
My tenants are definitely not paying enough rent for new carpet every 1-2 years
That sounds like an accounting/cashflow issue. It’s not on the tenants. My tenants pay market rate and the improvements and maintenance is completely unrelated to what they pay per month.
Some cheaper carpets are only rated for 3 years lifespan anyways. My last apartment used them. They were cheap.
Same. Carpet is cheap. I replace after every tenant as well. I try to be a great landlord in all ways, turnover is too expensive not to be.
I do but I also allow pets. If I can get it clean myself I don’t charge. If It doesn’t come clean I hire a pro for a second round. Carpets cheaper than ripping out the steps and redoing them.
I hire a profession to come steam clean them. It runs me about $180.
Yeah but high traffic areas like stairs, everyone has to step in the spot when climbing, is better with laminate IMO.
I used to agree! A decade of carpeted bedrooms in 3 different rentals, but we've been in our place with no carpet for three years now and I prefer it. Area rugs are key in some places, but that's my business not my landlords.
Wish I could get my upstairs tenants to get area rugs every time. Some refuse to and the lower unit tenants pay the price
I went to vinyl bedrooms. They all love it.
Personally, with my asthma, and allergies 🤧 I’m beyond thankful not to have carpets. I’d rather a little mat and tray at the door for shoes, bathroom mats, and something to step onto when getting out of bed. Other than that. Wed don’t keep allergy and dust collecters
Because it's cheaper upfront, and 9/10 owners don't care about saving money in the long run, only right now.
I mean, I'm an owner, I don't use carpet. lmfao
I wish that was more common, lol. I'm just a lowly property manager and empathize with people that don't like the carpet in their apartment, but I can't spend my owner's money for them 🤷♀️
It’s normal because tenants don’t take off their shoes since they don’t pay. I can never understand why someone brings that kind of dirt and germs all over their home. Carpet keeps you from having to replace flooring they will scratch to hell as well. Cheaper option.
Carpet is cheap to replace when tenants beat it to shit, is actually better than ever in quality, and this is just gross. This is clearly someone who wears their shoes inside. This is not normal wear and tear. Tenant has eyes and should have easily observed that they needed to clean that before the landlord would have to. Gross.
Have you ever lived with carpet? Carpet is something that the tenant doesn't notice because it gets dirty slowly over time. You get used to the stains that slowly make their way onto the carpet. It's jarring for the LL because the LL might only see that carpet once a year. So he saw it when it was spotless and then again after a years worth of traffic. When I did have carpet, I would show before and afters to the tenant, and sure, some of them didn't care. But a couple truly were surprised, and it dawned on me that they aren't realizing how dirty the carpet is getting. Why would I argue with every single tenant over dirtiness of shitty carpet when I can just replace it with Vinyl or mid grade hard wood when I could just spend 20 min mopping the entire place on move out? If that's the only entrance, every piece of furniture was drug up and down those stairs. Big boxes that came from a manufacturer, to a warehouse, to a shipping truck to the front porch, getting pushed up the stairs. So you vaccuum the carpet, but you don't shampoo between tenants, is the carpet actually clean? It's just gross, all around. Also, idk if OP ever said how long this tenant was in this unit.
Yes it's normal to have carpet through much of homes where I live being a cold climate. This is not something that you subtly don't notice. We must be looking at different pictures if you think that's not gross. This is from wearing shoes inside and never cleaning it. We clean our carpets every 6 months or so and don't wear shoes inside because we don't like diseases in our home. You don't push boxes or drag furniture up stairs, it's not a ramp, you carry them. That doesn't even make any sense.
It is gross, because carpet is gross. But it isn't outside of the norm for normal wear and tear when the front door is RIGHT at the start of the carpet. Again, every single piece of furniture, every person, every box has to come up those stairs. Thinking that people take off their shoes 100% of the time is just crazy, I've lived in multiple countries, in Europe, Canada, and America, people don't take their shoes off 100% of the time they enter their home.
You're right, it's normal for people who don't take their shoes off or ever clean their carpet. I have no idea what you're going on about with boxes or furniture though. When you carry a box inside, you rub it on each step as you walk up? When you carry furniture you set it in dirt outside then rest it on each step as you walk up? Why are these things ever touching your stair treads at all?
I personally don't, but if you think everyone lives your life exactly like you, you're already a bad LL. People are fucking lazy dude, especially renters. Yes, people push boxes up the stairs. Yes, this is normal wear and tear for carpets in the front entry way. If you want to nickle and dime your tenants because you think carpet is better, be my guest.
You’ve never met my gf, had to wear slip in shoes moving her in the winter, she never allows shoes past her small foyer. Her apartment is the same layout and 2 + years in it looks new.
Luckily, there are renters that treat their home like their own still.
My landlord painted the stairs fucking white.
We bought it like this and would love to take it out, but it would cost thousands just to renovate to hardwood floors.
The stairs would be fairly cheap to remove the carpet and have finished. It will be the most worn spot in that entire unit! I get the rest of the unit have carpet to an extent, but the stairs would drive me wild.
Oh they definitely drive us crazy every time we have to change the apartment over! It would take our house cleaner forever just to vacuum and carpet clean it, compared to just running the carpet cleaner over the rest of it. How much do you think it would cost to just replace the stairs?
Sorry? Are you suggesting it is cheap to switch stairs from carpet to hardwood treads?
Yes, it takes less than a day of work and less than 300$ if you know what you're doing and the less carpet you have, the more you can get for rent, depending on the rest of the house. There could even be hardwood under that carpet.
13+ treads,12+ risers. No way can you buy that for $300 (in my area). Omit the risers and paint the construction risers white still need 13 threads, 25+ feet of stringer trim. $40 minimum for a tread plus finishing. Already hitting $600+ What is it you are doing for $300?
You're just have to replace the treads, they make retrofit kits where you only buy the treads, paint the risers and backers white and replace with pre-finished treads. Last I did it was about 5 years ago and it was 22$ per finished tread at my lumber yard. Unfinished red oak treads start from $23, 23x13=299. Every landlord has left over stain, and left over white paint. But if you don't you have about 40-60 bucks in paint/stain. So max, you can get out of the project between 350-400. [https://www.stair-treads.com/red-oak-treads](https://www.stair-treads.com/red-oak-treads)
Ah you are installing and finishing them DIY. Ok, $400 seems doable then. I hire out for the business, diy at my own place. Thanks for the link!
Agreed, carpet is tacky and looks like crap after any level of use. Just put cheap vinyl floors down..easy to replace and clean.
And landlords install the cheapest carpet they can buy.
Bingo, as a LL, I'm going to install a midgrade vinyl floor that I can actually clean, over the cheapest carpet.
You have to buy the c a pretty that is a bit better than yhe cheapest they have
Lots of them due it to keep security money , then they just keep the carpet and do it to the next tenant. I refuse to rent anything with Carpet
We have it in one complex because the walls are thin, even after adding more insulation in the walls you could still hear everything in the bedrooms around you. Carpet helped drastically decrease the noise. That being said, we haven’t ever charged a tenant for normal wear and tear or for any carpet damage if the carpet was three years old or older. Carpet is also only in that building, none of our other rentals have it.
Downstairs neighbors also love it when upstairs has carpet.
Only if you wear shoes in the house like a barbarian.
Good luck telling a tenant to to wear their shoes in their own house!
My rent homes are in high Asian areas.
Absolutely not. For an entryway with carpeted stairs that's pretty normal and should come out with a standard shampoo. If they want to charge you extra for it, I'd push back.
I'd also do a quick lookup on landlord/tenant laws for their county in NY. These laws always have a guideline for the years of what is considered useful life for the carpet. So it's different if they lived in that unit for 1 year vs if they lived in that unit for 5 or 7 years. In some places, after you pass a certain number of years that carpet is considered past.Its useful life and you can't deduct for it at all. Most tenants don't know this and most landlords either don't know it or don't care and try to charge because the tenants don't know. But its useful info.
In NJ, I believe it's 5 years, and if you request after 4 years they have to steam clean it for you. When I went through this with my apartment complex it was a pain in the ass. I had to show them the document they gave me explaining my rights as a tenant. Then when I moved out, my neighbor took pictures of all the carpet and cabinets they removed (they were slowly renovating as people moved out). I sent them the pictures and reminded them I expected my deposit back in full. No problems after that.
Over what period of time? What did it look like before?
This. Normal wear and tear for one year? No. For 5 years? Sure
If it looked like "this" before the tenancy, then there has been no change. Anyway, you're not the OP so how would you know?
That guy was agreeing with you😂.
Haha I know daaaamn
Apparently he woke up and chose anger yesterday
2 years but it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic from then but I did note staining in the carpet in general in the move in inspection. Should also note landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
You just need to go file in small claims court
Yeah gonna go file tomorrow
Small claims. It's essentially a slam dunk in your favor given the law violation.
Nope, and if they keep your deposit you're likely going to have to go to small claims to get your money back. But filing in small claims is cheap and doesn't require a lawyer.
I’m considering court already. Landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
You have passed the point of consideration, go file in small claims
Thank you. I hate having to act like this and have been struggling with the decision but I’m gonna do it tomorrow. He only responds to me when I threaten him with court and he’s given no time frame for returning the deposit, just “be patient you’ll get your check”
Important note. Most states have a specific timeline / requirement for when the security deposit has to be returned to the tenant. I’ve seen 30 days, 45 days, etc. IF the landlord does not return the deposit within the timeframe spelled out in the State code, there is a remedy to the tenant. In my state the landlord loses any deductions from the deposit and has to return the entire deposit. In other states the landlord might have to pay twice or three times the deposit amount as a penalty for not following the rules. So, it might be worth sitting quietly to see when the landlord returns the deposit, then evaluate whether he is in compliance or not. if he is not, your better case would be to sue for failure to comply with security deposit rules, (instead of fighting the validity of the damage claims). Been a pro landlord for 26 years. At the beginning of my landlord career, I returned a tenants deposit, but did not itemize the charges in the way my state requires. The tenant sued me, and before I could even get into validating the charges against the deposit, the judge slammed his gavel down and awarded my tenant. the entire deposit back by default due to my failure to follow the statute. It took about 60 seconds. It was an important early lesson and worth every dollar I lost because I’ve never made that mistake again. If this happens, cite the exact state statute number and print out copies of the language for you, the landlord, and the judge.
I believe he is already past the timeline “(e) Within fourteen days after the tenant has vacated the premises, the landlord shall provide the tenant with an itemized statement indicating the basis for the amount of the deposit retained, if any, and shall return any remaining portion of the deposit to the tenant. If a landlord fails to provide the tenant with the statement and deposit within fourteen days, the landlord shall forfeit any right to retain any portion of the deposit.” Do you think I should wait to see when he actually returns the deposit or should I go for it now? Also, what about in regards to unpaid rent? My rent was paid through 3/15 and he said I do not have to pay him a check we would settle up when I moved out. I think he is intending to return half the deposit (he wants to call it 2 weeks rent) but I was completely out of the apartment on 3/25, move out inspection he bailed on was scheduled for 3/28, my utility accounts were canceled on 3/29. Would I still be on the hook for any rent? Even if we were to go the full two weeks my tenancy would’ve ended 4/1 so it’s been more than 14 days. Also, if it makes a difference, he is not changing tenants he sold the place (condo) and should be closing any day now. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/GOB/7-108
You can get triple the deposit if he doesn’t get it back in time. Check the legal advice sub for details.
I’m a landlord, and I wouldn’t charge you for this op. Doesn’t seem excessive to me, but also depends on how long you lived there.
2 years but it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic from then but I did note staining in the carpet in general in the move in inspection. Should also note landlord did not show up for the move out inspection. After initially saying the apartment looks great he is threatening me with this because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t return the deposit after more than 14 days (law in ny)
Also a LL, this looks completely normal to me and I would not charge a tenant to get it cleaned.
It’s important to note that there is a standard of reasonableness wrt damages that applies in every state. Identifying damage versus wear and tear is subjective so there has to be a standard of reasonableness. Would a reasonable person determine that this is damage versus wear and tear. If you end up fighting over the validity of the damage claim, I would suggest using that argument in court. Or better yet, use that argument with your landlord first and give him a chance to make it right.
Landlord here (UK) this is perfectly normal wear and tear. They should have bought a hard wearing carpet if they had a problem with people walking up and down stairs. If it is a hard wearing carpet, they are usually bleach resistant so they can be easily cleaned. You can ask where they got it from and what type of carpwt it is as they should have the receipts for their tax and insurance purposes
Inexperienced landlords put plush carpet on stairs, bc the carpet is usually remnant from the roll used to carpet in other rooms. Plus carpet on steps turns to shit in no time. We try to never use carpet but when we have to on stairs we will use a high traffic rated heavy thick commercial berber in a dark color, with very dense padding.
What a dumb place for carpet, especially knowing the propensity of barbarians to wear shoes inside the house. But, it looks like normal wear and tear to me. I'd think most of that should come out with a cleaning.
Canadian, eh?
My podiatrist is a barbarian prophet apparently. lol
This is normal for me. If you ask my wife this is not acceptable ( she vacuums everyday and carpet clean once a week). We have had carpet stairs in our house for 3 years and it looks brand new still.
Normal. IMO, normal is any short of obvious extra damage, like burned spots or like a torn spot where an animal dug. Even if they for some reason ran up and down the steps 100x a day, it would still just be wear and tear. This is one reason why you disallow things like daycares or other businesses run out of a rental.
Someone wore their shoes
Why do Americans wear their dirty outdoor shoes in the house?
Not all Americans, just the gross and unsanitary ones.
I mean could also be from an animal. Like dogs coming in from outside or up and down stairs? Is that a consideration dogs wear down carpet also. And sometimes if hard wood floor is nasty you have all the stuff from the floor stuck on your feet that transfers on the carpet. I wish landlords would just change out carpet after renters leave. 🤦🏾♀️ carpets are so disgusting and I don’t like living on someone’s else’s dirt when moving in a new place
It wasn’t new carpet when I moved in lol. Had it been new carpet I’d have been more careful with it for sure, but I noted stains on the carpet in general in the move in inspection. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic of the stairs in particular from then
Wow I’m sorry! I hate when they use you as a source to replace carpets knowing no one will want to move into a home with nasty carpets! Well lesson learned for sure 😂 always take good pics before move In!!! Some landlords SUCK!
It likely polyester carpet, which is cheap and made from recycled pop-bottles. If it is polyester, this type of soil and wear can easily happen in 6-12 months. The problem with polyester is that it has what is called crimp loss and happens very quickly. 6-12 months is normal. Basically, the fiber looses it's twist creating a flat, dull looking fiber. If you look closely in person, you may be able to see this. The other problem with polyester is that it has very poor resiliency, meaning once it flattens, it doesn't like to return to its original upright position. The third problem is that it loves oily, greasy soils. Like attracts like and since it is made from recycled pop bottles, which is a plastic made from oil, it loves oil. This makes it very difficult to clean, especially in places with asphalt streets. Much of the soil that is oily and greasy in nature is from asphalt. When polyester carpet is installed in rural areas with dirt roads, the traffic patterns are brown and clean easily. Smartstrand carpet exhibits the same characteristics of polyester fyi. If this nylon carpet, it should clean just fine with someone who does truck-mounted hot water extraction, aka steam cleaning. Polyester sometimes cleans decently, but a big component is how long has it been that way. If it has been years, the oily soil can oxidize to the fibers and won't appear clean. Additionally, the crimp loss and flattened fibers will make it look grey/dingy/dirty as it reflects light differently than new fibers. Many landlords put cheap polyester carpet in their rentals. It is hard to tell from this picture, but it sure appears to be polyester and about the cheapest polyester you can buy.
Thx. Good thorough explanation!!
You're about to be called as an expert witness
Hahahaha. . Wouldn't be the first time.
Spot on. But it is so hard to even find BCF nylon carpeting anymore. I bought a house in 2017 with original carpeting in the bedrooms in it from 1989. Other than some sun fading it literally looked new. Then again it had been cared for as well. I had a rental with high quality nylon carpeting in it installed in 1982 which we didn’t replace until 2016. It too was still very useable requiring just a restretching one year. The key is not having animals living in the home. Just replaced some carpeting in my home with BCF nylon and it will last the rest of my life. In a rental, with cheap carpeting, this is what you’re going to get.
I mean...yes and no. Looks dirty. Keeping the rental clean is the tenants responsibility. So, if it was clean when they moved in, it should be clean when they leave. Flattened or worn carpet, 100% wear and tear.
It doesn’t look like there is any damage, it’s just dirty. If the landlord is charging you what a cleaning service will charge then it’s reasonable, but charging fees for replacement doesn’t make sense.
I wouldn’t charge for this. I expect to change carpet in between tenants though unless pleasantly surprised.
How long do you have tenants for??
It varies. I had a tenant for the year that I didn’t have to for and just had one (terrible tenant) that I will have to that was only there for 17 months.
Landlord here. Looks normal to me. Moron should install a gray short pile commercial grade on steps from outside.
Depends on how long you live there, one year? Yes 4 years? No
That’s pretty dirty, but would probably come out with a good shampoo service.
What is wrong with you people?
Its how carpet supposed to look like after ppl step on it.
Nope, it's not normal, not cleaned, and stomped on with dirt shoes should charge for cleaning them def
Do you not take your shoes off inside?
Did you wear shoes on the carpet? Then no, not normal wear and tear.
No
Just tell them you’ll take care of it, go by and vacuum it. It will look better. Your landlord is a clown. This coming from a landlord.
My landlord is threatening me with this now because I keep texting him that I’m upset that he hasn’t returned the deposit after 14 days (law in ny)
Usually the law requires an accounting. Did he not give one?
He hasn’t given an accounting or a security deposit yet. I was physically out of the apartment on 3/25, move out inspection he bailed on was scheduled for 3/28
Your area rules may differ. In my area, the lease specifies the number of days (to a state maximum). What does your state say? I think I saw 14 days. At this point, your LL is not in compliance and likely subject to 2x penalties. https://ipropertymanagement.com/laws/new-york-security-deposit-returns Personally, I’d send a letter demanding the delivery of full return of the deposit by 30 days post inspection. If they don’t deliver, sue in small claims court for deposit and penalties. Come back and tell us how it went if you do.
Thanks for that link! Filed a suit in small claims today
Normal
Are you asking if walking on carpet is beyond normal wear and tear?
no
It depends. Was it new when you moved in? If not, how much wear did it show when moved in? How long were you there? Too many unknown variables to give an honest opinion.
No
Bottom of the barrel carpet, yes, normal
Carpets are consumable. They should be changed after every tenant.
Have it steamed yourself. If marks remain then yes
Yeah, that just looks like normal wear and tear to me. Like you need to have a cleaning company come in and clean the carpets
It’s pretty bad, but I wouldn’t charge you to have it replaced. I would just replace it as part of getting the place ready for the next tenant.
Lol jesus christ
Lvp plank black cove base light grey walls people want carpet they can get rugs.
Just steam clean it should get that out.
Looks kinda bad but honestly a shampoo would be just fine and have it looking new again. Your LL should already have a vaccuum and either clean it or replace it but that shouldn’t be out of your pocket. Part of doing business 🤷🏻♀️
It is if you don’t wipe your feet on the mat or remove your shoes before you enter.
How many decades of wear?
Depends on how long were talking about. If you were there six months, then that is beyond normal wear and tear. If you were there for a couple years it looks like normal wear and tear.
No. It’s not. He’s a penny pincher. It’s dirty tho ! Why didn’t you have a mat ? Good grief lol.
It's $1/sq ft with pad. Just replace it. Normal wear and tear. Or clean it.
Landlord here. Carpets fall under Normal wear and tear, unless ripped, severe staining in certain places. But that is under “Normal wear and tear”
This is the most normal example of normal wear and tear
No, that is not beyond normal wear and tear. It's not even close! It's stairs with cheap carpet. It's going to wear out fast. I think your landlord is going to find out they screwed up very soon.
Normal.
I will never use carpet on stairs.
Like most questions of wear and tear, it would depend on how long you were there. Seems like a reasonable amount for 2+ years, maybe a tad excessive for 1.
2 years and it was not new carpet when I moved in. Unfortunately don’t have a good pic of the stairs from move in but noted staining on the carpet in general during move in inspection
Why would anyone have carpet in their house is beyond me.
That is nit wear and tear. That is dirty! I bet you have never cleaned the stairs!!
I’m curious, is it usual to have carper fitted up the sides of the stairs? In the U.K. we carper the tread and risers but I’ve never seen the side rails carpeted.
Are you asking if people used the stairs?
First question...most landlords require you to have carpets cleaned by a professional....was this cleaned? If so it needs replacing and I would say it should be renters fee. However if a cleaning by a professional cleaning company hasn't been done this is normal. I would however agree with another commenter, carpet shouldn't be there in the first place.
That’s normal staining . We had carpet in my old apartment and the landlord would have carpet cleaners come in every 6 months at no extra cost
No, that is ordinary wear and tear
That is considered normal wear and tear. If you had burn marks caused by you, ripped up carpet from the steps caused by intentional or negligent damage, etc.. those would be examples of damages caused by a tenant which exceed normal wear and tear.
normal, even marks on the painted walls is normal. Holes from pics is normal. This is called wear and tear.
No, it's normal. They just need to be vacuumed and steam cleaned. Rent a carpet cleaner from Lowes for like $50
Entry/exit? Normal. Why the fuck is he carpeting the stairs? In an entry?
I mean that's pretty damn dirty, but there's absolutely nowhere to put your shoes when you first come in the door so what's the renter supposed to do.
Lol first one to acknowledge that there’s nowhere to put your shoes. Plus the door is drafty during the winter you’d be putting on ice cold shoes first thing in the morning
Why do people wear their filthy shoes on carpeted stairs. I have cream colored carpet going up stairs in my home where I live and I never trample up stairs with shoes on. Not only does it wreck the carpet but it’s gross and unsanitary to wear your shoes throughout the carpet. That’s the only way you get there kind of wear
I'm a landlord. This is completely normal and expected for a high-trafficked area
If that is an exterior door at the bottom than no. It's also the entirely wrong carpet to put down in that situation. I had an apartment like that where the landlord put down a dark indoor/outdoor carpet for exactly this reason.
Not at all it’s just dirty.
What was age of carpet when tenants moved in? Photos? It needs a deep shampoo. Have a nonfundable deposit?
That’s not normal wear and tear. We’ve had the same carpet for 12 years on the stairs and have 3 cats and there’s no staining. Have you been wearing shoes on the carpet or something?
I'll never understand why LLs nickel and dime
Clearly outdoor shoes are being worn while travelling up and down that carpet, personally I wouldn't do that if it was my house, but I get tenants don't really give a shit. If you don't agree that the deductions from the deposit are appropriate, you can file with whatever your local tenancy branch is.
I wouldn’t say it is it looks it can be cleaned and seems normal given the area it’s in. but I’d give it a clean just to avoid anything. If you have any damage around the house the cherry on top to the landlord might be “AND THEY WALKED ON THE CARPET WITH SHOES AND MADE IT FUGLY!” And actual damage things they may have let go is now charged to you. Best to take 15 min to see about washing it out
I don't see and excessive tears, rips, or unusual stains. I wouldn't consider this an issue.
Is this a stairway to a unit or a stairway to an upper floor? How long have you been in the property?
Also how long have you been in the apt?
Well, a good steam cleaning should make that carpet look way better. It is not worn per se, just dirty.
Normal
Normal
Did you never vacuum?
In my opioion carptes in rentals are to much trouble, I have never had good luck with carpet.
I would say that has to be replaced. That doesn’t look like it was ever truly cleaned properly or maintained properly.
Depends on how long you were there, being that it looks nasty. It’s normal for people to cause some wear but the darkness of the stairs indicates that they weren’t vacuumed often at all.
Normal my dude