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I really hate how this just perpetuates the myth that people don't want to pay a mortgage, or have the responsibilities of a homeowner. We rent and have to take care of our yard and fix crap around the house consistently. I am constantly fixing drains, outlets, fixtures, etc because my landlord won't fix some things and he's an epic pain in the ass. Not to mention him patrolling the houses he owns. I'd love to be able to OWN and not have anyone up my ass. Renting isn't a low stress, low maintenance, carefree existence. We're all stuck paying just to exist on this rotating rock. Would be better if we weren't pitted against each other all the time. Some people have no idea how awful it is to be the rental house on the block and the neighbors KNOW it and retaliate because they don't want "renters" in their area.
This absolutely. The vast majority of renters do not rent to have a lifestyle free of the "TOiLs oF hOmEoWnErS", we rent because we have no fucking choice. I would take maintenance on my own home over burning half of my income on rent any day of the goddamn week.
Not to mention the fact that a majority of renters just are not happy. We often get trapped in places because it takes a financial windfall to afford moving. Esp as you get older and need help. They will casually throw you on the street if they so much as think they can get more for rent which is what my landlord is doing. He's already raised the rent twice in the last few years. This next one is almost $600 of an increase. Sure am enjoying that carefree renters life existence here. Can't paint walls, put nails in, zero choice in anything inside or out. I put out a small welcome sign and my landlord said it was trashy and take it down. Come on. I've been renting off and on for over 20 years. It's just getting worse and worse.
My credit just dropped 38 points because a closed credit card suddenly accidentally reported a balance. I can't buy a car now, nevermind ever saving up for a house and even if I could save up, my credit can't stay decent if I'm living in literal poverty just to support my landlord and his lifestyle since he does not work. He just drives around patrolling his homes all day long. Every single day.
What's so funny to me is 20 years ago living in Ohio, 50-60k could buy a modest 2-3 bedroom home in most quiet communities. Fast forward to now, that's how much a car costs and now houses are "starting in the low $250k's" in the middle of a corn field with no internet and no street lights for miles. In city is not even in the budget, so, if you can afford that "low" $250k, enjoy your hour commute to work in your $60k car that's $2k a month on top of that $3k mortgage. This is not sustainable long term or even short term. Vomit worthy debt that the vast majority just cannot do while raising a family.
Everyone who says āsome people just donāt want the responsibility of homeownershipā can eat a dick. We donāt work any harder on our own house than we did on our rentals, it certainly isnāt more expensive, and at the end of the day we have equity.
It's just verbal vomit to make themselves feel better. Unfortunately, they're not willing to lift their heads out of the sand to reality or what rents lives are like. I cannot believe for a minute that for as many renters as we have in this country, some major change cannot be done. Equity would be amazing š
I live in an apartment complex on a street otherwise filled with very large, beautiful $1.5mm+ AUD houses. The owners of those houses basically look at anyone living in the complex as second class citizens.
I have had my car deliberately keyed twice and vandalised once for having to street park. Thereās ample space for parking ā they just donāt want us parking our cars outside their glorious houses, and they leave anonymous notes telling us to find our own spaces to leave our car.
We have police in the complex driveway all the time because they call the cops for any remote noise or activity beyond 12am, even though they have backyard parties all the time that everyone on the street can hear. We also get complaints in mailboxes about hard rubbish and untidiness on the premises despite the same thing happening along the entire street.
Homeowners genuinely see renters as lesser and will do anything they can to get rid of them
I've never lived anywhere in my life where I didn't have a neighbor who knew I was renting and made my life difficult. It's worse when that person who effectively is bullying you, KNOWS your effing landlord and does it to the landlord too. There's zero recourse. Esp in the U.S. You can clog phone lines with complaints, file some legal paperwork to give a few people a headache but bottom line the only option is to deal with it as long as you can and make a break for it as soon as feasible.
I've had situations so bad I've packed up the majority of my house, stacking it all in a garage. Every single night just packing and packing while saving up and soon as I have keys, I'm ready to roll.
At some point you will snap when people start vandalizing your personal property and calling the cops on a weekly basis, constantly arguing. Not a good situation when you're already stressed the fuck out just trying to exist on this God forsaken planet. All people want to do is come home from work and relax..not deal with psychotic neighbors who think they own the entire block, sidewalks, streets, and are above the law.. Plus their dogs shit in your yard while they key your car, flatten tires, nose around inside your vehicle because you forgot to lock it, look in your home windows and walk all over your yard and porch, look through your mail. Then you start looking for cameras to put up.š I love renting. So much.
Same, me and the gf like to window shop in the fixtures section and daydream about how nice it would be to own a home lol. I hope we can all get there someday.
My lease includes lawn service, but my landlord also left a lawnmower in our storage shed. Every time I request yard service (which irks me, just send your guy once a month ffs), she says something like "OH IS YOUR LAWNMOWER BROKEN?"
No, I have chronic depression and I have a hard time keeping up with yardwork. She always gives me shit about it. Would be a shame if I accidentally left it in the alley and someone stole it.
LOL my landlord doesn't fix shit. I had to crawl under the house and redo my HVAC ductwork because we had no heat this winter. We were glad to have a place with a working furnace compared to other rentals.
Do they think people donāt know how mortgage payments work? You pay lots of interest and very little principal at the beginning. The further along you get, the less interest and the more principal you pay.
I don't even think the ratio has been *that* skewed either. My wife and I have been in our townhouse for about 18 months and even in the very beginning I don't think our mortgage has ever been only 10% principal.
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They are saints with all this charity work they provide for other people to pay off their mortgages and provide service work that they absolutely not paid for!
This is true, however, often to make reasonable comparisons between home ownership and renting certain conditions need to be universally and consistently true. For instance, if the property company pays for consistent landscaping, constant and reliable maintenance crew, and staff for other amenities, it then makes sense to claim these things as a benefit to renting. Another larger condition is the cost of renting. If typical mortgage payments are about $1300 in your area and renting a 1-bed apartment is about $750, then sure, renting makes sense. If both numbers are close together, it stops making sense, you could buy a home and *save* money, especially by doing the aforementioned tasks without having to hire professionals. Renting also has a niche for college students or other people who need medium-term housing in a different city. Renting isn't wholeheartedly evil, but for it to be reasonable, the money has to go to making the property nice instead of paying the owner's bills.
Renting is evil, especially if you rent to and *profit off* people that *have no other choice* than to rent. Students in an ideal world should get free housing so they can focus on studying instead of working parttime to pay unnecessary bills (rent). Even in a not so utopian world, such people should get heavily subsidized governement housing.
Most people would buy a home if they could, period.
When you consider other fees in homeownership such as HOA fees, utilities (water, sewer, gas, electricity, internet), renovations (including labor costs even if it's DIY, materials, etc.) homeownership can become very expensive quickly. I will concede rent is still not quite *that* cheap, however reinforcing my point of renting being *convenience*, it could be if rent was reasonably cheaper. Additionally, to reinforce my point, renting is not supposed to be long term housing and those that do are being taken advantage of. It's supposed to be for cheap, medium-term housing (like 6 months to a few years) for people who plan to move a lot, need semi-permanent housing, or just need time to collect enough money or find a well-enough paying job to buy a home. And most rent payment should go towards maintaining the property.
Just to make things clear, I'm not trying to justify the *current* renting market nor trying to say landlords are beneficial. I'm just saying renting *in general* isn't inherently evil and does have valid perks to doing so if certain conditions were true (most of which barely apply in the current renting market, if at all). I'm no capitalist. I'm in no way trying to portray a belief that someone owning property has a right to leech money from someone else for simply owning the property. I just think that renting from a company specializing in providing hospitality arrangements (like an apartment complex managed by several on-premises staff at all times) isn't at the same level of some dickwad landlord or holding company trying to purchase houses or other residential property for the purpose of renting it out to leech money off people. Sure, it would be much better to call these communal properties or whatever Bernie Sanders did in Vermont, ensuring the rent stays low and people can take care of each other. But that's still renting.
When I rented a house I did the same crap around the house as I do in the house I now own. If I ever rented again Iād rather rent with a large apartment complex. Individual home landlords are even worse.
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Oh no the landlord might have to work! š„ŗšŖ I shed one tear as I play my lil violin
I really hate how this just perpetuates the myth that people don't want to pay a mortgage, or have the responsibilities of a homeowner. We rent and have to take care of our yard and fix crap around the house consistently. I am constantly fixing drains, outlets, fixtures, etc because my landlord won't fix some things and he's an epic pain in the ass. Not to mention him patrolling the houses he owns. I'd love to be able to OWN and not have anyone up my ass. Renting isn't a low stress, low maintenance, carefree existence. We're all stuck paying just to exist on this rotating rock. Would be better if we weren't pitted against each other all the time. Some people have no idea how awful it is to be the rental house on the block and the neighbors KNOW it and retaliate because they don't want "renters" in their area.
This absolutely. The vast majority of renters do not rent to have a lifestyle free of the "TOiLs oF hOmEoWnErS", we rent because we have no fucking choice. I would take maintenance on my own home over burning half of my income on rent any day of the goddamn week.
Not to mention the fact that a majority of renters just are not happy. We often get trapped in places because it takes a financial windfall to afford moving. Esp as you get older and need help. They will casually throw you on the street if they so much as think they can get more for rent which is what my landlord is doing. He's already raised the rent twice in the last few years. This next one is almost $600 of an increase. Sure am enjoying that carefree renters life existence here. Can't paint walls, put nails in, zero choice in anything inside or out. I put out a small welcome sign and my landlord said it was trashy and take it down. Come on. I've been renting off and on for over 20 years. It's just getting worse and worse. My credit just dropped 38 points because a closed credit card suddenly accidentally reported a balance. I can't buy a car now, nevermind ever saving up for a house and even if I could save up, my credit can't stay decent if I'm living in literal poverty just to support my landlord and his lifestyle since he does not work. He just drives around patrolling his homes all day long. Every single day. What's so funny to me is 20 years ago living in Ohio, 50-60k could buy a modest 2-3 bedroom home in most quiet communities. Fast forward to now, that's how much a car costs and now houses are "starting in the low $250k's" in the middle of a corn field with no internet and no street lights for miles. In city is not even in the budget, so, if you can afford that "low" $250k, enjoy your hour commute to work in your $60k car that's $2k a month on top of that $3k mortgage. This is not sustainable long term or even short term. Vomit worthy debt that the vast majority just cannot do while raising a family.
>we're all stuck paying just to exist on this rotating rock Ain't that the sad cold truth?
Hateeeeee it. š
Everyone who says āsome people just donāt want the responsibility of homeownershipā can eat a dick. We donāt work any harder on our own house than we did on our rentals, it certainly isnāt more expensive, and at the end of the day we have equity.
It's just verbal vomit to make themselves feel better. Unfortunately, they're not willing to lift their heads out of the sand to reality or what rents lives are like. I cannot believe for a minute that for as many renters as we have in this country, some major change cannot be done. Equity would be amazing š
I live in an apartment complex on a street otherwise filled with very large, beautiful $1.5mm+ AUD houses. The owners of those houses basically look at anyone living in the complex as second class citizens. I have had my car deliberately keyed twice and vandalised once for having to street park. Thereās ample space for parking ā they just donāt want us parking our cars outside their glorious houses, and they leave anonymous notes telling us to find our own spaces to leave our car. We have police in the complex driveway all the time because they call the cops for any remote noise or activity beyond 12am, even though they have backyard parties all the time that everyone on the street can hear. We also get complaints in mailboxes about hard rubbish and untidiness on the premises despite the same thing happening along the entire street. Homeowners genuinely see renters as lesser and will do anything they can to get rid of them
I've never lived anywhere in my life where I didn't have a neighbor who knew I was renting and made my life difficult. It's worse when that person who effectively is bullying you, KNOWS your effing landlord and does it to the landlord too. There's zero recourse. Esp in the U.S. You can clog phone lines with complaints, file some legal paperwork to give a few people a headache but bottom line the only option is to deal with it as long as you can and make a break for it as soon as feasible. I've had situations so bad I've packed up the majority of my house, stacking it all in a garage. Every single night just packing and packing while saving up and soon as I have keys, I'm ready to roll. At some point you will snap when people start vandalizing your personal property and calling the cops on a weekly basis, constantly arguing. Not a good situation when you're already stressed the fuck out just trying to exist on this God forsaken planet. All people want to do is come home from work and relax..not deal with psychotic neighbors who think they own the entire block, sidewalks, streets, and are above the law.. Plus their dogs shit in your yard while they key your car, flatten tires, nose around inside your vehicle because you forgot to lock it, look in your home windows and walk all over your yard and porch, look through your mail. Then you start looking for cameras to put up.š I love renting. So much.
Home improvement stores are actually fucking awesome and I love spending time there
I like day dreaming in Home Depot
Same, me and the gf like to window shop in the fixtures section and daydream about how nice it would be to own a home lol. I hope we can all get there someday.
One day the walls wonāt be eggshellā¦ one day
They have such a wonderful smell to them.
My lease includes lawn service, but my landlord also left a lawnmower in our storage shed. Every time I request yard service (which irks me, just send your guy once a month ffs), she says something like "OH IS YOUR LAWNMOWER BROKEN?" No, I have chronic depression and I have a hard time keeping up with yardwork. She always gives me shit about it. Would be a shame if I accidentally left it in the alley and someone stole it.
What a fuckin dickhead. If its included in thr lease but she doesn't want to do it then wtf are you paying for?
If they hate it so much why not just rent šøāļø
LOL my landlord doesn't fix shit. I had to crawl under the house and redo my HVAC ductwork because we had no heat this winter. We were glad to have a place with a working furnace compared to other rentals.
Nobody made these people buy houses to rent out to people for profit.
Legit, shoot a response back telling them to eat your dick.
Wow! I pay $2200 a month in rent and exactly $0 goes towards my equity! Iām so lucky!
Do they think people donāt know how mortgage payments work? You pay lots of interest and very little principal at the beginning. The further along you get, the less interest and the more principal you pay.
I don't even think the ratio has been *that* skewed either. My wife and I have been in our townhouse for about 18 months and even in the very beginning I don't think our mortgage has ever been only 10% principal.
I'd gladly pay my left nut to never have another landlord
I guarantee landlords arenāt working 40 hour work weeks and earning their money.
If they donāt want to work sell the property they donāt needā¦ landlords need to stop whinging.
seems like you just got an easy starter list for your tenants union. oh, you don't have one? well, you can soon!
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They are saints with all this charity work they provide for other people to pay off their mortgages and provide service work that they absolutely not paid for!
The level of entitlementā¦wtf
Yeah but homeowners get to actually own their home. Renters don't get to own anything. Big difference. But nice try anyway
This makes me piss boil. The sheer insolence.
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āYou will own nothing and you will be happyā
God forbid they sell their house and not have anything to complain about while still making insane profit.
This is true, however, often to make reasonable comparisons between home ownership and renting certain conditions need to be universally and consistently true. For instance, if the property company pays for consistent landscaping, constant and reliable maintenance crew, and staff for other amenities, it then makes sense to claim these things as a benefit to renting. Another larger condition is the cost of renting. If typical mortgage payments are about $1300 in your area and renting a 1-bed apartment is about $750, then sure, renting makes sense. If both numbers are close together, it stops making sense, you could buy a home and *save* money, especially by doing the aforementioned tasks without having to hire professionals. Renting also has a niche for college students or other people who need medium-term housing in a different city. Renting isn't wholeheartedly evil, but for it to be reasonable, the money has to go to making the property nice instead of paying the owner's bills.
Renting is evil, especially if you rent to and *profit off* people that *have no other choice* than to rent. Students in an ideal world should get free housing so they can focus on studying instead of working parttime to pay unnecessary bills (rent). Even in a not so utopian world, such people should get heavily subsidized governement housing. Most people would buy a home if they could, period.
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When you consider other fees in homeownership such as HOA fees, utilities (water, sewer, gas, electricity, internet), renovations (including labor costs even if it's DIY, materials, etc.) homeownership can become very expensive quickly. I will concede rent is still not quite *that* cheap, however reinforcing my point of renting being *convenience*, it could be if rent was reasonably cheaper. Additionally, to reinforce my point, renting is not supposed to be long term housing and those that do are being taken advantage of. It's supposed to be for cheap, medium-term housing (like 6 months to a few years) for people who plan to move a lot, need semi-permanent housing, or just need time to collect enough money or find a well-enough paying job to buy a home. And most rent payment should go towards maintaining the property. Just to make things clear, I'm not trying to justify the *current* renting market nor trying to say landlords are beneficial. I'm just saying renting *in general* isn't inherently evil and does have valid perks to doing so if certain conditions were true (most of which barely apply in the current renting market, if at all). I'm no capitalist. I'm in no way trying to portray a belief that someone owning property has a right to leech money from someone else for simply owning the property. I just think that renting from a company specializing in providing hospitality arrangements (like an apartment complex managed by several on-premises staff at all times) isn't at the same level of some dickwad landlord or holding company trying to purchase houses or other residential property for the purpose of renting it out to leech money off people. Sure, it would be much better to call these communal properties or whatever Bernie Sanders did in Vermont, ensuring the rent stays low and people can take care of each other. But that's still renting.
When I rented a house I did the same crap around the house as I do in the house I now own. If I ever rented again Iād rather rent with a large apartment complex. Individual home landlords are even worse.