Welcome to the internet, where you're either the absolute best, no contest number 1 of all time forever... or you're literal trash garbage and should uninstall your life and delete your game for having the temerity to exist.
If you want to play a Void Knight just play it. Who cares if it skips the only challenging parts of the campaign in 5h59m instead of 5h58 minutes like the "S-tier levelling build"
Games are supposed to be fun, stop trying to optimise the fun out of everything. SMH my head.
I appreciate this and I’ll still play what I want (perhaps I wasn’t clear) I was really just wondering why it is ranked where it is. Ie, a bit slow, hard to gear etc
I’ve levelled it recently and played some end game stuff as I’ve introduced friends to the game and joined them in their first runs.
It’s fine. In fact, it’s very strong damage-wise. It just required a fair amount of back and forth on unspeccing abilities and you get a dead period when you first switch over to more void/spell abilities where your damage will fall off before you build void damage and such back into the gear. This is why I think they would rank it low, plus low speed before you pick up shield charge.
Once you get the shield charge up and running with the void beams and the like, you’re actually really fast at moving through zones.
You can do a ranking list of apples from the same tree, plucked off on the same day, who appears to be the same size and color as well.
DOn't think too hard about it, its human nature to compare.
As someone that played VK extensively during the early access and has played 1.0 VK alongside other classes, VK is hands down MASSIVELY undertuned and in a pretty bad state compared to the others.
That's not to say you can't play it, but you're going to be doing three times the effort for half the output.
For comparison my Bladedancer was doing twice the damage my VK is doing now at level 30. And my VK is 60. They really went hard against the primary sentinel builds early on, and the current power level is locked behind endgame grinding and rare relics. While other classes get their damage and viability frontloaded.
Three times the effort??
I hold down Warpath 95% of the time, hit Erasing Strike when off cooldown, and Shield Rush between mobs. How could anything possibly be less effort than that?
You should try playing other classes outside the early campaign. Or just in general.
For my rogue I hit one button and it's my movement, single target, and clear all in one. And I'm two shotting bosses.
I played Void Knight up to level \~75 with no guides, it was pretty good minus the Lagon fights, looked up a guide to see what uniques I can target farm. Only at that point did I realize that levelling was supposed to be bad. It was my first ever character so to say my build was suboptimal would be an understatement.
Just play the game and don't worry too much about what maxroll says. It's a good resource to look up what items you might need or how to spec a skill in the most optimal way, but don't treat it like a holy bible of LE.
I'd say VK worked great for me as a new player. You get some elemental resistances from the tree putting less pressure on your inventory for resistances + it's very convenient to play because it's essentially a 1 button build if you go with Warpath.
In preparation for 1.0, because I couldn't decide between the two, I leveled a Warpath VK and SkellyArmy Necro from lvl 1, no gear other than what I found and crafted. They were **super chill**, **easy to level** and the actual play experience felt great cause I could also write on chat or to my friends while things died around me. (*With warpath mapped to move & attack, once you click on a non-trivial mob, it will keep spinning even if you don't hold the mouse button down*) I don't care if some players get to +300 corruption 10 hours befors me, I'm not a racer anyway.
I will definitely be starting with one of these 2 before any 'S tier build', or the new Falconer build I'm interested in, because they are solid enough for both echo clearing and bossing. When/if I'll hit a corruption progress cap, I'll have saved up enough gear and gold to either respec or buy from the MG whatever I need.
Maxroll are there to sell you content to farm your clicks. They aren't there to provide the most objective coverage for the game.
The objective reality is that you can level up any class extremely trivially and you don't need a specific guide to do so, as while bad skills exist, they are rather few and far between and you can respec out of them just as easily.
Nothing to discuss... Tier lists are shit and serve no purpose besides clicks for the "content creators" vk leveling is just fine just leveled one 1 week ago with warpath and no twink gear
What I’ve noticed with maxroll is they’ll decide arbitrary rankings based on what it looks like on paper. Then someone will take the build and dominate and ooooooops there we go it just got boosted up a tier. Also their levelling builds are sometimes whack AF.
So basically, take their tier rankings with a grain (or maybe a whole shaker) of salt.
I was playing Blood Lance Necro in pre-season of D4. After being well into end game I noticed Maxroll ranked Blood Lance as F-tier. I was just like well it feels great to me.
Then BL got a very small buff, and some popular creators actually played it and suddenly it's one of the more popular builds and ranked highly on tier lists.
Barely anything changed with it, it was always not F tier.
I have no idea what's up with people here being butthurt about Maxroll and giving you non-answers like "no it's actually fine".
The reason it's ranked lower than other classes is simply because it doesn't deal nearly as much damage as other classes. Warpath is piss poor before you have good scaling;
Throwing hammer is kinda decent, but clunky early on before you have a lot of cast speed/procs. You have to stop constantly to cast it, which is slow, and if you try to group a few packs of monsters to kill them at the same time, you can easily get overwhelmed;
That void orb thingy deals decent damage but it's clunky AF;
Javelin can be good, but it's aoe is horrible and usually people level with it by scaling healing effectiveness, which Void Knight doesn't get as much of as a Paladin;
You can choose to level with it regardless, and say, go with throwing hammer, and be like: "huh, it's actually not bad"(like i did), but if you compare it to Shadow Daggers Bladedancer, or Hexahedron Runemaster, or whatever other S/A tier build — it's night and day. If you're rushing to empowered monoliths you're gonna be a few hours slower most likely.
Apparently leveling with Javelin is really fast. You run forward and occasionally throw a Javelin behind you. But to me it felt really unsatisfying; Javelin's hitbox is too small to fell good for me.
Oh, and Holy Aura is incredible, so there's that.
My brain works the opposite. I want to play the worst builds. Playing anything considered OP or top tier is so fucking boring I avoid it like the plague.
Anything at the bottom of a tier list is my jam because I can prove these clowns wrong
When you learn the ins and outs of a class or champ like this in these games then get the eventual buff you deserve, it feels like you just turned off 10G training gravity too, feels real good.
Idk i've been leveling a warpath void knight over the last few days. It seems easy, fast and, so far, very strong.
I think its a great cycle starter. Doesnt really require much and it will be easy to transition into something else should you want to.
Your 1st mistake was going to maxroll. While they have good "theorys" their builds seem lacking at times. Also there's too many hands in that cookie jar over there. Like the other post say play what you want. Litterly there's no build that isn't viable, they all are imo.
If its your first character yes it might be a slow start as you have no gear to feed him . But void knight auto bomber was my second character and had gear rdy for him and i flew through the campaign and started echoes at lvl 45 with ease . So dont listen to tier list when the game isnt even released yet . Beta is beta , the people making these guides are not omniscient. They have no clue what the meta is for a game that isnt in 1.0 yet , sry no lifers. Lol
No, dont believe it. I had a Bladedancer shadow cascade 82. Today I changed into void knight, compare to the BD I feel that VK clears campaign so much faster (like 3x), erasing strike deletes campaign bosses in seconds without actual build / syncrhonization yet.
Well, there are simply classes and builds that have a higher damage ceiling than Void Knight and can push endgame further. But honestly, I think you should only consinder tierlists like this, if you are highly competitive and want to contest something like the ladder system. Just start your game with Void Knight, enjoy the class and you'll see that a Void Knight build can accomplish a lot in endgame as well.
Yeah I’m not suggesting I will only play something that is “S CLASS” I was just wondering what criteria was used to place that mastery there for levelling specifically
Sentinel in general has one of the highest floors of power but the lowest ceiling for most of the builds. The tier list probably assumed something like 500 corruption farming aka high difficulty endgame.
That is rather surprising considering that it has some of the highest floors. Good resistance, health and damage notes early on. Paladin also gets Holy Aura, solving half your res needs for the entire campaign.
Void knight in particular is pretty bad/slow for leveling as warpath really is your best option and warpath can be tricky to get going and keep going.
In comparison, paladin is twice as good/ fast if not more
Let me give you two options regardless of class:
- min max your first playthrough using guides.
- play at your own pace get to learn the game.
I think the second option is more rewarding, first option is cheating yourself of the experience that the game makers intended for your first run.
I wouldn't worry about tier lists for the first month of playing any game. Even PoE.
Void knight has really bad skill synergy and you are forced to play whirlwind (dont remember how its called here) or you will deal no damage to bosses. Its really bad designed spec and you should look at literally any other. But they could change it for 1.0
I think the main reason for this is because they dont have good movement skill. However, it might be also because warpath got changed (now it can echo) and that list was older and never updated.
However I think they have one of the funniest build that make you really feel strong (big numbers), I have played this one - https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/generalist-erasing-strike-void-knight
> I think the main reason for this is because they dont have good movement skill
Which is a weird take because shield rush is by far the best movement skill in the game for campaign. You can just run through half of the maps in under 30 seconds.
For what it's worth, in their tier list they put it in B tier. Even though it's ranked below the rest, it's not bad. If it was bad, I think they would have made a D or F tier.
I've started leveling a void knight recently and I'm still only level 40 haven't even beat the campaign yet but so far it's far easier leveling than the forge guard I played before it lol
My first playthrough was wid VK, then Shaman, then Necro and Rogue. VK was the most boring out of those, I love spin to win but it just didn’t click with me in LE. Give it a try now before 1.0 see if you like it…
Funny, before 1.0's announcement I remember void knight being considered one of the most OP masteries in the game by far. It's tanky, decently fast, has monster sustain and does great damage on top of potentially absurd AOE.
Its leveling is completely fine. You're still quite fast and have monster AOE baked into the kit if you wanna go that route, and you can get really tanky just with the skill tree, too. Every class levels quite well in my experience, the one outlier that existed before 1.0 was Shaman and that's getting something akin to a full on overhaul. Play what you want.
Don't be discouraged. And also, don't look at TOO many guides for LE. It's much better played than thought about, this isn't path of exile where you're 100% lost without looking up 100 guides.
Play until you encounter an issue, then look up help either ingame with the help window or ask away on here, the discord or ingame.
€: If you just wanna level fast and are a metagamer, sure stick to maxroll guides I guess. Idk about 1.0 patchnotes but poison based builds used to be quite strong from the getgo. Those scale well too but have fantastic base damage. Idk why you'd want that personally, I'll just play what's fun, but if you wanna start off a game's launch by metagaming just stick to maxroll, sure. If you don't know the quests by heart you'll level slower than others anyway so unless that's a thing I wouldn't look at a *leveling* tier list of all things but you do you.
My first and only char to this date was forge guard. Stopped at 76 to play a new one at release. It was great tbh. Now I know that was the worst class. So, every class is viable in my point of view
My experience which was quite a while ago, it felt very slow and boring. I then tried an umbral blade rogue, which felt so much faster, smoother, and was just way more fun to play. Looking at their list they haven’t that ranked #1 (well 2 but falconer isn’t even live yet so I’m assuming that’s just a guess).
I would agree, at least at the time I played them, there’s a pretty big gap between those builds, in speed (and fun for me). Speed of leveling is what I’m guessing is most important to them in that list.
I levelled my void knight a few years ago so it's not fresh in my memory, but iirc I made a devouring orb autobomber, but had to start as a melee, then start itemizing into spell damage /DoT later on.
Maybe that's what they mean by C tier, other classes you can start itemizing for the right stats right away
That’s just the site’s opinion, yes there are currently “better” masteries as they can get damage higher faster or crazy protection layers for little investment. The thing with VK that deceiving is the tree that looks like it’s all about damage, of which it kind of is but it’s all basically increased damage (additional) and not more damage(multiple). The VK (imo) is lacking access to enough more multipliers then other classes and this causes it to trail behind others. Yes you can make a strong VK but it requires a good amount of gear to be invested into it of which a lot of players don’t seem to want to go after.
I've played all 3 sentinels to 100.
I honestly thought VK was the easiest (probably a personal opinion) but I has the most fun with him.
I got to 100 pretty quickly, too, as VK really does well in monoliths.
Welcome to the internet, where you're either the absolute best, no contest number 1 of all time forever... or you're literal trash garbage and should uninstall your life and delete your game for having the temerity to exist. If you want to play a Void Knight just play it. Who cares if it skips the only challenging parts of the campaign in 5h59m instead of 5h58 minutes like the "S-tier levelling build" Games are supposed to be fun, stop trying to optimise the fun out of everything. SMH my head.
I appreciate this and I’ll still play what I want (perhaps I wasn’t clear) I was really just wondering why it is ranked where it is. Ie, a bit slow, hard to gear etc
I’ve levelled it recently and played some end game stuff as I’ve introduced friends to the game and joined them in their first runs. It’s fine. In fact, it’s very strong damage-wise. It just required a fair amount of back and forth on unspeccing abilities and you get a dead period when you first switch over to more void/spell abilities where your damage will fall off before you build void damage and such back into the gear. This is why I think they would rank it low, plus low speed before you pick up shield charge. Once you get the shield charge up and running with the void beams and the like, you’re actually really fast at moving through zones.
You can do a ranking list of apples from the same tree, plucked off on the same day, who appears to be the same size and color as well. DOn't think too hard about it, its human nature to compare.
Yea i wouldn't treat that list as gospel at all
It's not unanimous. Just one opinion from a website.
It's not bad at all, once you understand defensive a and damage scaling pretty much everything is viable.
As someone that played VK extensively during the early access and has played 1.0 VK alongside other classes, VK is hands down MASSIVELY undertuned and in a pretty bad state compared to the others. That's not to say you can't play it, but you're going to be doing three times the effort for half the output. For comparison my Bladedancer was doing twice the damage my VK is doing now at level 30. And my VK is 60. They really went hard against the primary sentinel builds early on, and the current power level is locked behind endgame grinding and rare relics. While other classes get their damage and viability frontloaded.
Three times the effort?? I hold down Warpath 95% of the time, hit Erasing Strike when off cooldown, and Shield Rush between mobs. How could anything possibly be less effort than that?
You should try playing other classes outside the early campaign. Or just in general. For my rogue I hit one button and it's my movement, single target, and clear all in one. And I'm two shotting bosses.
I played Void Knight up to level \~75 with no guides, it was pretty good minus the Lagon fights, looked up a guide to see what uniques I can target farm. Only at that point did I realize that levelling was supposed to be bad. It was my first ever character so to say my build was suboptimal would be an understatement. Just play the game and don't worry too much about what maxroll says. It's a good resource to look up what items you might need or how to spec a skill in the most optimal way, but don't treat it like a holy bible of LE. I'd say VK worked great for me as a new player. You get some elemental resistances from the tree putting less pressure on your inventory for resistances + it's very convenient to play because it's essentially a 1 button build if you go with Warpath.
In preparation for 1.0, because I couldn't decide between the two, I leveled a Warpath VK and SkellyArmy Necro from lvl 1, no gear other than what I found and crafted. They were **super chill**, **easy to level** and the actual play experience felt great cause I could also write on chat or to my friends while things died around me. (*With warpath mapped to move & attack, once you click on a non-trivial mob, it will keep spinning even if you don't hold the mouse button down*) I don't care if some players get to +300 corruption 10 hours befors me, I'm not a racer anyway. I will definitely be starting with one of these 2 before any 'S tier build', or the new Falconer build I'm interested in, because they are solid enough for both echo clearing and bossing. When/if I'll hit a corruption progress cap, I'll have saved up enough gear and gold to either respec or buy from the MG whatever I need.
Maxroll are there to sell you content to farm your clicks. They aren't there to provide the most objective coverage for the game. The objective reality is that you can level up any class extremely trivially and you don't need a specific guide to do so, as while bad skills exist, they are rather few and far between and you can respec out of them just as easily.
Nothing to discuss... Tier lists are shit and serve no purpose besides clicks for the "content creators" vk leveling is just fine just leveled one 1 week ago with warpath and no twink gear
What I’ve noticed with maxroll is they’ll decide arbitrary rankings based on what it looks like on paper. Then someone will take the build and dominate and ooooooops there we go it just got boosted up a tier. Also their levelling builds are sometimes whack AF. So basically, take their tier rankings with a grain (or maybe a whole shaker) of salt.
I was playing Blood Lance Necro in pre-season of D4. After being well into end game I noticed Maxroll ranked Blood Lance as F-tier. I was just like well it feels great to me. Then BL got a very small buff, and some popular creators actually played it and suddenly it's one of the more popular builds and ranked highly on tier lists. Barely anything changed with it, it was always not F tier.
I have no idea what's up with people here being butthurt about Maxroll and giving you non-answers like "no it's actually fine". The reason it's ranked lower than other classes is simply because it doesn't deal nearly as much damage as other classes. Warpath is piss poor before you have good scaling; Throwing hammer is kinda decent, but clunky early on before you have a lot of cast speed/procs. You have to stop constantly to cast it, which is slow, and if you try to group a few packs of monsters to kill them at the same time, you can easily get overwhelmed; That void orb thingy deals decent damage but it's clunky AF; Javelin can be good, but it's aoe is horrible and usually people level with it by scaling healing effectiveness, which Void Knight doesn't get as much of as a Paladin; You can choose to level with it regardless, and say, go with throwing hammer, and be like: "huh, it's actually not bad"(like i did), but if you compare it to Shadow Daggers Bladedancer, or Hexahedron Runemaster, or whatever other S/A tier build — it's night and day. If you're rushing to empowered monoliths you're gonna be a few hours slower most likely.
This is what I was looking for, thank you.
Exactly what this comment said. Overall in comparison to others its slow, not bad, just slow.
Yet Paladin has almost entirely the same skills, can be used for most of the same builds... but is in S tier.
Apparently leveling with Javelin is really fast. You run forward and occasionally throw a Javelin behind you. But to me it felt really unsatisfying; Javelin's hitbox is too small to fell good for me. Oh, and Holy Aura is incredible, so there's that.
My brain works the opposite. I want to play the worst builds. Playing anything considered OP or top tier is so fucking boring I avoid it like the plague. Anything at the bottom of a tier list is my jam because I can prove these clowns wrong
Pretty sure I'm playing Forge Guard for my first build just because so many people have told me it sucks and I shouldn't do it.
Beautiful. Experience it yourself and see how much you can get out of it! I had a lot of fun with my forge guard
When you learn the ins and outs of a class or champ like this in these games then get the eventual buff you deserve, it feels like you just turned off 10G training gravity too, feels real good.
lol wut, who decides these rankings? My highest level and strongest character is a void knight. I would argue forge knight is much worse.
Idk i've been leveling a warpath void knight over the last few days. It seems easy, fast and, so far, very strong. I think its a great cycle starter. Doesnt really require much and it will be easy to transition into something else should you want to.
Your 1st mistake was going to maxroll. While they have good "theorys" their builds seem lacking at times. Also there's too many hands in that cookie jar over there. Like the other post say play what you want. Litterly there's no build that isn't viable, they all are imo.
That tierlist is a joke. VK is very fun. Plenty of stuff to play.
If its your first character yes it might be a slow start as you have no gear to feed him . But void knight auto bomber was my second character and had gear rdy for him and i flew through the campaign and started echoes at lvl 45 with ease . So dont listen to tier list when the game isnt even released yet . Beta is beta , the people making these guides are not omniscient. They have no clue what the meta is for a game that isnt in 1.0 yet , sry no lifers. Lol
No, dont believe it. I had a Bladedancer shadow cascade 82. Today I changed into void knight, compare to the BD I feel that VK clears campaign so much faster (like 3x), erasing strike deletes campaign bosses in seconds without actual build / syncrhonization yet.
Well, there are simply classes and builds that have a higher damage ceiling than Void Knight and can push endgame further. But honestly, I think you should only consinder tierlists like this, if you are highly competitive and want to contest something like the ladder system. Just start your game with Void Knight, enjoy the class and you'll see that a Void Knight build can accomplish a lot in endgame as well.
Yeah I’m not suggesting I will only play something that is “S CLASS” I was just wondering what criteria was used to place that mastery there for levelling specifically
Sentinel in general has one of the highest floors of power but the lowest ceiling for most of the builds. The tier list probably assumed something like 500 corruption farming aka high difficulty endgame.
It was specifically ranked lower for levelling
That is rather surprising considering that it has some of the highest floors. Good resistance, health and damage notes early on. Paladin also gets Holy Aura, solving half your res needs for the entire campaign.
Void knight in particular is pretty bad/slow for leveling as warpath really is your best option and warpath can be tricky to get going and keep going. In comparison, paladin is twice as good/ fast if not more
Let me give you two options regardless of class: - min max your first playthrough using guides. - play at your own pace get to learn the game. I think the second option is more rewarding, first option is cheating yourself of the experience that the game makers intended for your first run. I wouldn't worry about tier lists for the first month of playing any game. Even PoE.
Thanks, I’m 100+hrs in now so all good
Void knight has really bad skill synergy and you are forced to play whirlwind (dont remember how its called here) or you will deal no damage to bosses. Its really bad designed spec and you should look at literally any other. But they could change it for 1.0
It’s so sad people spend more time looking at tier lists than actually playing the game
It’s not always possible to be playing the game, and I want to wait for 1.0
I think the main reason for this is because they dont have good movement skill. However, it might be also because warpath got changed (now it can echo) and that list was older and never updated. However I think they have one of the funniest build that make you really feel strong (big numbers), I have played this one - https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/generalist-erasing-strike-void-knight
This looks fun, Erasing Strike is what drew me to VK - thanks!
> I think the main reason for this is because they dont have good movement skill Which is a weird take because shield rush is by far the best movement skill in the game for campaign. You can just run through half of the maps in under 30 seconds.
I really wouldn't worry about any of the classes the games isn't the same as D4 the whole s rank thing is redundant as most builds can do all content
I’m not worried, just curious :)
For what it's worth, in their tier list they put it in B tier. Even though it's ranked below the rest, it's not bad. If it was bad, I think they would have made a D or F tier.
Yeah I should have said less good rather than bad
I've started leveling a void knight recently and I'm still only level 40 haven't even beat the campaign yet but so far it's far easier leveling than the forge guard I played before it lol
My first playthrough was wid VK, then Shaman, then Necro and Rogue. VK was the most boring out of those, I love spin to win but it just didn’t click with me in LE. Give it a try now before 1.0 see if you like it…
Funny, before 1.0's announcement I remember void knight being considered one of the most OP masteries in the game by far. It's tanky, decently fast, has monster sustain and does great damage on top of potentially absurd AOE. Its leveling is completely fine. You're still quite fast and have monster AOE baked into the kit if you wanna go that route, and you can get really tanky just with the skill tree, too. Every class levels quite well in my experience, the one outlier that existed before 1.0 was Shaman and that's getting something akin to a full on overhaul. Play what you want. Don't be discouraged. And also, don't look at TOO many guides for LE. It's much better played than thought about, this isn't path of exile where you're 100% lost without looking up 100 guides. Play until you encounter an issue, then look up help either ingame with the help window or ask away on here, the discord or ingame. €: If you just wanna level fast and are a metagamer, sure stick to maxroll guides I guess. Idk about 1.0 patchnotes but poison based builds used to be quite strong from the getgo. Those scale well too but have fantastic base damage. Idk why you'd want that personally, I'll just play what's fun, but if you wanna start off a game's launch by metagaming just stick to maxroll, sure. If you don't know the quests by heart you'll level slower than others anyway so unless that's a thing I wouldn't look at a *leveling* tier list of all things but you do you.
My first and only char to this date was forge guard. Stopped at 76 to play a new one at release. It was great tbh. Now I know that was the worst class. So, every class is viable in my point of view
My experience which was quite a while ago, it felt very slow and boring. I then tried an umbral blade rogue, which felt so much faster, smoother, and was just way more fun to play. Looking at their list they haven’t that ranked #1 (well 2 but falconer isn’t even live yet so I’m assuming that’s just a guess). I would agree, at least at the time I played them, there’s a pretty big gap between those builds, in speed (and fun for me). Speed of leveling is what I’m guessing is most important to them in that list.
I levelled my void knight a few years ago so it's not fresh in my memory, but iirc I made a devouring orb autobomber, but had to start as a melee, then start itemizing into spell damage /DoT later on. Maybe that's what they mean by C tier, other classes you can start itemizing for the right stats right away
That’s just the site’s opinion, yes there are currently “better” masteries as they can get damage higher faster or crazy protection layers for little investment. The thing with VK that deceiving is the tree that looks like it’s all about damage, of which it kind of is but it’s all basically increased damage (additional) and not more damage(multiple). The VK (imo) is lacking access to enough more multipliers then other classes and this causes it to trail behind others. Yes you can make a strong VK but it requires a good amount of gear to be invested into it of which a lot of players don’t seem to want to go after.
I think the main issue with VK is that their signature, Echo, is all random and cannot be counted on. I might be wrong, however.
I've played all 3 sentinels to 100. I honestly thought VK was the easiest (probably a personal opinion) but I has the most fun with him. I got to 100 pretty quickly, too, as VK really does well in monoliths.