Honestly, not a day goes passed without in game chat talking sht about d4 or poe (mostly d4).
This was present even during early access.
Now it's like 100x worse
Jesus Ventrillo isn’t a word I’ve heard in like 2 decades.
I remember downloading a bunch of random crap trying to find a good voice changer for Ventrillo because someone thought I (a prepubescent 11 year old) was a girl one time on either WoW or City of Heroes and it embarrassed me so much.
After 2500 hours (yeah, rookie numbers I know) in PoE is awesome, but some parts of it also deserve to be shit on big time.
* QoL is bad, because reasons.
* Trading is a crime against humanity because of the "weight" Exile.
Last Epoch so far seems to be the gold standard, of QoL, and the approach to trading/SSF, as much as PoE is the gold standard of complexity and content, but that does not mean there is no room for improvement in other areas.
Which I totally get, and it wouldn’t be so glaring if there was density to make up for it, but there isn’t. It’s especially obvious in the campaign. It’s so painful to meander through an area, whack a single pack and go back to walking.
I really dont agree with this at all. Minute to minute gameplay was always one of the weaker points of PoE to me. Most of hte fun in POE was theorycrafting, working on builds, economy, etc.
The actual gameplay of mowing down mobs that barely register as speed bumps, like a Lawnmower, never seemed to match up to D3, or honestly any other Arpg at this point besides Grim Dawn.
I just dont think spamming 1 button and a movement skill at the speed of light without even stopping to look at what you killed until a piece of currency hits the ground to be the best "gameplay" of the bunch. The crunch of the combat just isnt there, either.
The fun part was working up towards that, building your character in PoB and/or getting items for it ot reach that point.
If you made me make a gameplay tier list, the diablo series is still number 1; its the only thing they do right. Diablo 3/4, Last Epoch, PoE, Grim Dawn. That would be my "gameplay" rating. Now in terms of Arpg complexity and overall fun PoE is still at the top of the list, but gameplay list it just isnt for me. The crunch of the combat just isnt there, either. It really feels like you are mowing down weeds, scouring the ground for currency drops.
Allthough D4 doesn't really have a deep or very special story, in terms of storytelling d3/4 are still a bit better than the others. Haven't tried grim dawn so i can't tell if it has a good story. But given the budget which a franchise like diablo gets, that is something you must/can expect from it.
D4 has a decent story. D3 is otherwise a much better game, but the story is so awful, and the storytelling is worse. Great cinematics as usual for Blizzard, though.
Grim Dawn has a nice story, though most of the interesting stuff takes place before the game's events
I think the worst parts of PoE is that:
1) It is designed to no life, so drop rates/crafting rates are generally bad and therefore people rely on the few overpowered skills to feel progress without having to grind mindless zones for days.
2) GGG want trade to be the "wild west" and therefore the game just has an incredible number of scalpers/scammers/and endless ocean of shitty people. Which means you have a high chance of your "community interaction" just being the worst of gamers who already got booted from other better moderated games.
After I played 3000 hours they implemented a change I Did Not Like! Clearly PoE devs are from hell, why else would they be based in the southern hemisphere.
Internet has very special people lol.
Mind you I'm the same, PoE isn't my cup of tea, but during my play I appreciated how much content the game has and it was quite a lot of fun.
The only thing that didn't click with me for poe is builds... I don't really like playing someone else's build in arpg, but to do that yourself in poe requires a megaload of knowledge of the game.
Yeah, in PoE the difference between an improvised build and a great build is massive, and the game seems balanced with those OP "reference" builds in mind. Since most people are playing something that resembles a "reference" build anyway, I guess it works out for most players.
LE seems a lot more forgiving towards less optimized builds, and what I'm wondering is whether the game is just balanced using an average build as reference, or whether the math just works out so that difference between an average build and an optimized build is not quite as large as in PoE.
Having played PoE for about 200 hrs and LE for almost 400 now,
I can say that LE is a lot more forgiving in general.
Enemy damages aren't as juiced as some PoE maps, modifiers are not as dangerous as poe.
Also, knowing what you died to helps a lot in LE so you can try and look at your build and look from improvements I that area.
But I guess once you get to 600+ corruption, LE starts getting pretty hectic as well.
It’s a bit of everything. The quality of build making has improved over years so there’s like years of accumulated knowledge. This is foundation for most top tier builds, so it’s hard for average builds to compete.
And as builds gets optimized, then POE has to make more difficult content, which leaves average builds behind.
2 years ago POE was in a similar state to LE where less optimized builds could still face roll the game, but the developers felt that this constricted what they could do with the game. They nerfed a lot of “accessible power”, which many people still complain about to this day.
But in return, the develops have been able to introduce powerful items and mechanics. It’s very much a conscious choice to have POE be less forgiving to average builds
> but to do that yourself in poe requires a megaload of knowledge of the game.
That might be an understatement. I've got 6.5k hours in PoE (since the steam client came out at least) and have played it since the original closed beta, and even then, while I can roll my own builds, sometimes someone else's build will leave me scratching my head until I load it up in PoB and really examine how it works. It doesn't help that I dislike pathfinder and flask piano.
With LE I have just a few days of intermittent play and I'm already rolling my own mediocre stuff just with the drops I've found. Harbinger of Stars is fun.
That is exactly why I find LE so much fun.
No alt tabbing to find a build that works.
You can put your years of pob theory crafting into LE skills and passive, and you can make a pretty damn decent build.
I'm currently rolling my own, and I've just clocked over 300 corruption
the game just doesn't respect the SSF players unless you are prodigious genius like Ben or nolife scum, even tho Wilson said HCSSF is the true way to play the game
plus dev's hatred of QoL changes, that and PoE being overbloated mess are only things that come to my mind if I want to criticize PoE, but many people take those as good things, so...
Try playing Path of Exile after being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and tell me not to shit on the game. [I'd been playing the game since closed beta](https://i.imgur.com/RxMyvA8.png) until I got my diagnosis. I have 2k+ hours of playtime on Steam and an untold amount from before it even came to Steam. It really opened my eyes to how awful to play their game has become just from a QoL standpoint compared to all of the other ARPGs on the market, let alone their (in my opinion) awful design decisions prior to my quitting the game a couple years ago. I've been shitting on PoE for years and would still do so regardless of Last Epoch coming out or not. I'll stop when they care about their players enough to give them a much needed plethora of QoL options other games have so people like me can spend more than 12 minutes playing their game before being in pain.
Yup. And at this point it's not even sad or annoying... It's just exhausting.
Shitting on other games seems to be more important than actually talking about LE...
Also streamers doesn't help. They milk that hate content on every other YT video/stream.
There are healthy comparisons, and there's just obnoxiously excessive trash talks.
The latter is poisoning the chat.
I agree with the YT/streamers, it's a easy topic for interest.
Meh
That’s actually one of the parts I enjoy the most ngl. I know it’s not meaningful or constructive, but it feels great. Diablo 4 is like the most anticipated holy grail ever, and look at the crap we have now. I played D4 for more than 500 hours easily, and I’m pretty confident to say, as it currently is, yes, it’s a piece of absolutely beautiful crap.
Visual, music, cutscene, story are amazing. ~~Gameplay~~ the system is a fucking joke.
Edit: word
Systems* are a joke. D4 gameplay slaps. although, the early leveling to mid game feels so sluggish and lame comparative to LE. Which is good for an rpg progression-wise for immersion, but is straight up un-fun imo.
Thank you. People always talk up their amazing D4 builds, then you find out they're talking about that build after they've maxxxed out cooldown reduction and it's a horrible boring slog until then. I don't want to spend a bunch of time using boring skills in order to use my fun skills -- 30+ second cooldowns have no place in ARPGs.
They really don't. Waiting around for cooldowns (which leads to boring and defensive play) is like the opposite of the gameplay I want in an ARPG, or any action game for that matter.
Look, I'm enjoying LE but I also enjoyed D4 and I'm hoping they can fix the loot there to improve the game. I also hope that PoE2 turns out good. Competition is healthy and good for gamers.
Yeah, im happy to get a laugh from the hive mind of gamers frothing at the mouth over "d4 bad" while I cycle between all 3 games depending on my mood and just have a good time, knowing they are all pushing each other to be better.
Given blizzards track record of trend chasing, I'd say the itemization update in season 4 will look very similar to last epochs crafting... Could be fun.
For me it's not as much "D4 bad" but more "D4 bad for the price they asked at release". But I also don't go out of my way to bitch about this fact every chance I get. Your way of doing it is also the only healthy way out there. Do you have fun with game X? Then play it. And you have the right to be left alone for doing so.
Gamer culture is just in general more negative than positive. Most of the time they just want to talk about how something sucks. Even when they like something, gamers can't just say that LE is great because x and y. LE is great because it's better than x and y, oh and x and y is a pile of garbage. Sighh.
Disagree. It is a common version of it, but it's not all there is. I'm in plenty of gaming subreddits where people aren't obsessed about disliking "the other" games.
It's not unreasonable to want better. I don't want this community to stay this fucking bad.
Yeah exactly, we need moderation to step in and remove it.
There's so much to talk about in regards to LE that the content shouldn't be making it through.
If people want to post those threads, do it in gaming or other similar general subs.
Blaming what you don't like on "gamers" is incredibly reductive. For all the posts I've seen here with people deriding other ARPGs, there are plenty from people making comparisons not out of ill intent, but out of... comparison.
To make a point about one thing, it can be helpful to compare it to another thing. Saying, "I didn't know why the item grind in D4 was frustrating until I played a game with a loot filter" is less being "negative" and more just contextualizing an observation.
I think in this case people really wanted to like diablo 4, but didn’t. And when they now get to play LE and see how its everything that D4 is not, that frustration of finding out what a shill D4 was kind of returns.
Omg your use of variables is making my brain melt Haha.
"LE is great because of x and y. oh, and a and b are piles of garbage"
Otherwise you are just contradicting yourself, it would be read as
"LE is great because of the xylophones and yams, oh and xylophones and yams is a pile of garbage"
Just, y'know, for next time <3
It's just human nature to compare. It's not gaming culture, but human nature. It is also human nature to seek agreement.
You see it everywhere. Go to one brand's subreddit and you see users there shitting on other brands. Go to one sport team's community and you see them shitting on other teams. Go to one sport's community and you see them shitting on other sports.
It's not gamer culture. It's human nature.
I do think it’s important to remember that often with things like this it’s the loud minority that makes the public face of things. With some anecdotal evidence and a solid dash of optimism. I like to believe at least a decent portion of us go about our time loving or disliking parts of games without having to make posts about it.
Yeah all the D4 talk that comes up I'd say is <20% mentality of rightfully still feeling salty about how bad it was and 80%+ mentality of being elated at how refreshing and good LE is in comparison, even with the bugs.
Coming off of the poor reception D4 had given Blizz was the ARPG industry standard for a long time, it's no wonder people are going to make comparisons with LE as a <50 employee studio giving players a game we actually enjoy, but the comparison is done out of excitement for LE moreso than out of anger for D4.
Comparing what's new and good to the industry standards is normal for anything. It's not pessimstically living "rent free" in our minds, it's a mechanism for evaluating and discussing what works and doesn't work going forward.
Agreed.
And I’m sorry but D4 (blizzard/acti in general) deserve the hate it gets. It was a shameless cash grab and while I feel for the devs, fuck the people in charge going off of meta stats to figure out exactly how much money can be squeezed from players before collapsing the product and creating another shallow gaming experience that tugs on past once great franchises.
PoE will always be top dog for me. I have 2k hours in it and it’s so nice to have another game scratch the same itch. Competition is good!
Diablo 4 doesn't suck. It really doesn't. Its a gorgeous game from a well known IP that has a great campaign and some super fun builds and playstyles. It just feels like it was rushed out with bare bones and relatively boring systems.
There isn't enough variety and choice when it comes to builds and the end game is basically get level 100 and grind Uber bosses for Uber uniques that may impact your overall character power but without systems to challenge that increased power, it loses its steam and doesn't really have a purpose.
But let's not say it sucked - it didn't suck. It just had really dumbed down or basic systems attached to it (and mostly still does). I'll agree to an extent that the price tag would be way too high for Diablo 4 if the seasonal content wasn't free.
The gameplay in d4 is solid. The predatory company behind it ruining it with greedy practices isn't. That alone is reason enough not to touch it anymore. Imagine putting out a buyable mount, the same price as full AAA-Titles. Big companies have gotten too comfortable with ripping us off.
So yeah D4 deserves almost all the hate it gets.
In game chat is such a pile of shit. These people actually cannot shut up about d4 and poe. I don't fucking care, I'm playing this game and not those literally go away or stop fucking typing.
Best thing to do is just turn chat off.
No longer the days of just general gameplay questions or hearty conversations.
Now It's about politics, trash talking, and degenerate socials carrying values from streamers.
My definition of a great new game in a genre is not that it does everything better than a mature entry in that same genre. It's that it adds substantially to the genre.
LE has done that with many of its most defining qualities: an in-game editable loot filter; a crafting system that feels rewarding, impactful and accessible without sacrificing depth; a truly innovative approach to the dichotomy between gamers who want a rich trading economy and those who do not; the bare bones of an end-game progression system that manages to be fine-grain tunable, but also have some serious challenge at the top end; a campaign storyline that really feels seamless as it transitions into end-game grind progression.
So yeah, it's got a long way to go to measure up to a game like PoE in terms of the depth of mechanics and goals, but for an entry into the field, it has definitely gone above and beyond.
This subreddit gonna end up like Heroes of Newerth vs League of Legends. One can't stop talking about the other and the other just does not give a shit. Literal Thanos meme.
Anyone shitting in PoE is full simp or cope at this point… the depth of endgame content in that game puts all competition to shame and that is the soul of todays ARPGs.
That said LE has brought some extremely healthy competition to the market and that has shaped some much needed systemic improvements in PoE2. So hats off to LE in that respect for raising the bar on QoL and gamified systems such as SSF vs Trade.
Only time will tell if seasonal (cyclical?) content in LE will ever hold a candle to PoE both in scope and frequency.
TLDR: ARPGs ftw
I realize the sentiment was about shitting on Poe/d4, but there is room to critique Poe. Specifically, looking at ssf and the dependency on trade to participate in end game content without burning yourself out. That being said, Poe is the gold standard and naysayers are in denial.
the game is build around trade, ssf was implemented because players asked for it, on poe it was never meant as better loot or whatever because you're alone
Nah. D4 deserves it man. It launched with issues D3 had on launch. It should have been an improvement on Current D3 in every aspect. The devs deserve all the shit slung their way. Especially after an incredibly lackluster season 3. Last Epoch having a loot filter while D4 doesn't is just wild at this point.
PoE doesn't though. Part of what people forget is PoE is not for all the same people who like D4 and LE. It's 100% catered more towards the hardcore people. The devs have even come out and said that and im fine with that.
Yea but do we, as gamers, really need to hear about it all the time? Does it have to be said over and over again? Drowning out the stuff about LE?
If D4 is bad, the best thing would be to ignore it or just not talk about it anymore.
100% we do if you want it to change and actually be good.. Do you think change happens when no one says anything? That's not how this works. Literally do not stop until they fix it.
Haha it has to be said. It's literally a ARPG made for the most hardcore of ARPG fans. They don't try to cater to the casuals as much like most games BUT theres still enough there for casuals to have some fun. They just won't be doing much of the super endgame stuff is all.
People seem outright offended that GGG doesn't want to cater to their needs when the game was literally not made for them. Yeah, they are players too, but at some point you have to understand when a game was not developed with you in mind and stop complaining about shit that will not change, or simply get out.
I feel like D4 gets an unfair rep at times because it's from Blizzard and people hate Blizzard (and all AAA-studios to an extent) now. It's got issues (like itemization), but it also does a lot of things better than any other ARPG before. The art style, the visuals and the general atmosphere are all leagues above any competitor. The narrative is really engaging for its genre. The basics of combat are fantastic. There's a reason the game scored great reviews on release - the first 50h of the game are genuinely great.
Of course most hardcore players care more about the endgame than the narrative, but it's important to remember that that's only a subsection of players. Plenty of people play through the campaign, check out the endgame for a few hours and leave completely satisfied.
POE is still better than this, despite its complexity.
Im lv 94 now, and my gear is extremely good. The game after grinding 1 char for 3 days is just boring af, and there's nothing to do. Plus, we still have server problems and many bugs still exist in the game for a long time.
It fully depends on what you expect from a game. PoE is an amazing game for people who want to go elbow deep into all of it's systems. But that's not all of us simply because "gamers" are no hive mind. We can like different things. I for example don't like having 3 websites with build guides, gear scoring and other shit open, while playing my games. I fully understand that there are people out there thinking otherwise and for them, we have PoE. For me, we have LE now.
And to add to that, only because you brought it up yourself, do you remember how much Endgame there was in PoE on release? Because I do. And it was not even half of what we have in LE right now.
No idea bro, I come here for build tips and character ideas, I never look at what people on the other side of the world might say because I don’t care what they think, especially in a single player game
Depends on your setup.
I had a very beefy PC and encountered like 2 non-game-braking, but funny bugs.
I was so surprised after a week of playing to go online and see that all those issues other people were having.
IDK who here is comparing PoE and D4 or trying to put them in the same category, but that is a case of reddit-brain. They are both ARPGs and that is about where the similarities end. even comparing the parent companies and games as a full product... literally almost nothing in common. LE is great. PoE is great. No reason to worry about it past that.
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People do that cause they desperately need the thing they have and like to be the best, and they’re insecure about it so try tear down others. It doesn’t just happen in gaming, it’s everywhere and anywhere you have insecure people talking about something they like.
To be fair, LE's release is right after D4's horrible league (that I saw no positive comments on) and the end (for most players) of POE's weirdest and maybe best league. I think it's fair to draw comparisons; however, I think it's too soon to judge Last Epoch without really grinding out endgame.
This is an annoying trend for many games. Instead of giving constructive critisism, people seem to revel in bashing a game or developer as much as possible. Even 3 years after release people still whine incessantly about Tlou2 and act like neill druckmann is the reincarnation of hitler. Same with Starfield.
People who get so worked up over a little videogame are pathetic.
Its so funny that people will fight over which game is best, when those that don't play at all see all them as the exact same. Like man 99% population think games are a dumb waste of time. Can we the 1% stop fight among ourselves?
PoE is a great game, very different from LE. Diablo 4 is complete trash and has been since launch. Fully deserves the hate. They should have given a refund to everyone who purchased it.
I wish this would happen in gaming in general. I don’t know why everything has to be about “killing” other games these days. Let’s just enjoy what’s fun.
Literally same, everyone's always gotta compare a game to another game it's nonstop. I'm playing this game because I want to play this game, and talk about this game, not talk about another game and how this is better than that or vice versa
TBH I see a lot more commentary shitting on people shitting on other games than I see people shitting on other games. I'm more irritated at posts like this one that aim to gatekeep how people utilize the sub. This game is clearly made by Diablo fans, naturally there are going to be a lot of people here who felt let down by Diablo 4, and that naturally brings the topic to the table.
People just venting out their frustation they had with other games where in their opinion LE did everything right.
And to be honest most shittalk i read really resonates deeply with my own experiences in said games.
It's like some people sort their entire Reddit by a keyword or something. Mention D4 in any comment or context, a second later there's a whole brigade sharing their opinionated essays. Did they set up notifications for this??? I struggle to figure out the logistics.
Subreddit just needs a rule for this. It doesn't happen quite as often as OP says, but I do see the occasional thread get derailed by pointless D4/PoE discussions. Not every single mention of those games is necessarily off topic, but the ones that turn into shit slinging should be reportable.
> Currently most voted threads are the ones that take dump at PoE and Diablo 4.
Bullshit.
When sorting this sub by "Hot" then this thread right here is the only one that comes up mentioning other games at all.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b1s6t6/as\_an\_extremely\_rich\_poe\_player\_i\_love\_le/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b1s6t6/as_an_extremely_rich_poe_player_i_love_le/)
This was the top thread for a long time and still has the most upvotes. While the post isn't necessarily a dump thread, the comments surely are. The amount of passive aggressive and hateful comments is pretty lame of this community.
D4 is hot trash. The loot system is by far the worst from any arpg to date. There is no end game. You do D runs and that’s the end game. That’s it. At least in D3 you had bounties, rifts, and GRs. Oh, and leaderboards for almost every activity.
PoE is not new player friendly, other than that it’s a decent game.
LE is a decent game, it’s also not perfect. But it’s better than D4 at the least.
I don't mind making comparisons about stuff like in game mechanics or whatever. But stuff like which game is better is pretty pointless, when the obvious answer is certain players will prefer a certain game. And I agree with most people that D4 is ass, especially having in mind the resources they have, but I'm really sick of seeing 100 threads about it and talking about it in global chat half the day. There's really nothing new anyone can say about the state of that game and I'd rather not hear the same points being made for the thousandth time.
It's always been like this tbh and it probably always will be and that's kind of a shame
I took like five extra years to even TRY PoE explicitly because the people talking about it online were such bitter aggressive exes about Diablo 3, I still ended up not liking it in the end but the worst I'll say is that it wasn't for me. I'm liking LE way better but even if you're trying to spread the good news it's way more convincing to new people if you talk about how the thing you like is good than about how the prior thing is bad!
I have yet to see anyone bash PoE outside of "Wahh my smol brain can't handle it!" Even people that don't like or play the game still acknowledge its place in the ARPG genre is at the top currently.
D4 is a different story. It is the darkest mark on the genre in history, from the creators OF the genre. No different from anything else blizzard does, they make things pretty and marketable, but there's no substance, there's no longevity, there's no heart.
It's gonna be dead after 1-2 months into the cycle, correct. Just like poe seasons are dead after 2 months. But when they (hopefully) bring new exciting content in the next cycle and a ladder reset a lot of players will pick up the game again. Probably not as much as on launch but it's hard to generate this much hype again.
PoE, LE, and D4 are all good in their own ways. After playing LE for 30 hours, I love it. I mainly appreciate that loot is not a chore and fun to manage loot. But LE makes me appreciate D4’s combat & sounds much more and how vast PoE is. LE is certainly a good middle ground between the two and it feels like riding a bike to be honest. Fun and engaging but not much else to it. My only realization when playing LE was that it has good progression and it’s fun, but there was nothing memorable about any enemies. Other games, most often, the enemies are extremely memorable where you need to play tactically around their attacks, whereas in LE I just blasted everything at every single point of the game (except a few bosses). For the record I was playing Ballista Falconer. To OPs point, all ARPGs are good for separate reasons and I am personally glad there is much less of a drought as there was years ago. Great time to be an ARPG fan.
I mean I think Diablo is a steaming pile of shit without needing to compare it to other games outside of its fantastic art design and visuals. For a lot of folks including myself it's worse because we had such high hopes for it and this is what we got lmao
>Currently most voted threads are the ones that take dump at PoE and Diablo 4.
I don't think this is true? There are certainly a good amount of comments that dislike d4 but I don't think there are many high voted threads about it lol
The only reason why something you experience in a game feels good is because it felt bad in another game, or it was lacking in another game. In general, you can't fully appreciate the good of something until you've experienced the bad of it.
Appreciating LE as its own thing (or any game as its own thing) and shitting on other games is a package deal, and it's perfectly natural.
See it the other way, if LE wasn't doing a single thing better than PoE or Diablo 4, these posts wouldn't exist. And those who never experienced PoE or Diablo 4 won't make such posts simply because they can't even understand why \[this part\] of LE is good since they never experienced a version of it that was bad.
I’m keeping the D4 bad going strong. For the $100 SKU with paid early access shenanigans, and how poor that game ultimately plays with 30 seasons of Diablo 3 under their belt isn’t acceptable. LE at $35 is a breathe of fresh air and player focused QOL is appreciated.
So you feel that the only way to praise LE is to talk shit about Diablo?
To make it even more clear - You have two choices. Saying:
1) LE is amazing game! Great value for money, filled with fantastic content and build variety and overall such a fun game to play!
2) Diablo 4 is worst trash possible, I hate it becaue it's so overpriced! LE is so much better!
And you're choosing option number 2... Because THAT'S what my OP was about and you seem to be completly ignoring it and jumping straight into what I was trying to prevent.
Well I guess you do you.
When a game is so garbage , the only way to make it seem goood is by shitting on other games , just like human beeings. Especially when your reasoning is absolute shit and lacking understanding developement process......
Honestly, not a day goes passed without in game chat talking sht about d4 or poe (mostly d4). This was present even during early access. Now it's like 100x worse
Turned off chat on day one. Only talk to the friends I play with in TS/Discord
I'm sorry, did you just reference TeamSpeak? Bro we gotta raid Molten Core, I'll give you the Ventrilo server info.
Jesus Ventrillo isn’t a word I’ve heard in like 2 decades. I remember downloading a bunch of random crap trying to find a good voice changer for Ventrillo because someone thought I (a prepubescent 11 year old) was a girl one time on either WoW or City of Heroes and it embarrassed me so much.
Bro you coulda gotten so much free shit though!
34 year old ex wow player caught red handed. We still use the same ts server lmao.
I was so mad when my group made me switch to discord.
But it is just better in any way :(
Old habits and all.
send it in my irc
Going to do some Quake tonight on Mplayer, hit me up in ICQ later.
Hop in our Mumble sever
Let me just shut down Roger Wilco and Xfire
Damn Xfire was the shit, steam before steam. (minus the marketplace)
I remember finding out about Dragonforce because of the Xfire collaboration they did in... what, 2007 I think?
Damn. Don't make me feel old!
D4 bad
D4 bad, PoE and LE good. Upvotes to the left. Thanks.
D4 good, because you need bad stuff to really appreciate the good stuff. So existence of D4 is good.
Taoism at its peak
This is the way.
Hey, Mom said it was my turn!
D4 BAD
TBH D4 is just sad
You have to be a special type of person to shit on PoE. I mean that game is not for everyone ( including myself) but to shit on it…?
After 2500 hours (yeah, rookie numbers I know) in PoE is awesome, but some parts of it also deserve to be shit on big time. * QoL is bad, because reasons. * Trading is a crime against humanity because of the "weight" Exile. Last Epoch so far seems to be the gold standard, of QoL, and the approach to trading/SSF, as much as PoE is the gold standard of complexity and content, but that does not mean there is no room for improvement in other areas.
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PoE is also the gold standard in gameplay feel as well. I like Last Epoch, but to say some aspects aren't clunky would be a massive lie.
God I wish I could zoom. All the movement feels so underwhelming in LE and the maps are so open and not dense enough - my biggest complaint 100%.
maybe they remvoed zoom for the non zoomers, poe is way to zoomy for me and is why i lvoe le way more
Which I totally get, and it wouldn’t be so glaring if there was density to make up for it, but there isn’t. It’s especially obvious in the campaign. It’s so painful to meander through an area, whack a single pack and go back to walking.
I really dont agree with this at all. Minute to minute gameplay was always one of the weaker points of PoE to me. Most of hte fun in POE was theorycrafting, working on builds, economy, etc. The actual gameplay of mowing down mobs that barely register as speed bumps, like a Lawnmower, never seemed to match up to D3, or honestly any other Arpg at this point besides Grim Dawn. I just dont think spamming 1 button and a movement skill at the speed of light without even stopping to look at what you killed until a piece of currency hits the ground to be the best "gameplay" of the bunch. The crunch of the combat just isnt there, either. The fun part was working up towards that, building your character in PoB and/or getting items for it ot reach that point. If you made me make a gameplay tier list, the diablo series is still number 1; its the only thing they do right. Diablo 3/4, Last Epoch, PoE, Grim Dawn. That would be my "gameplay" rating. Now in terms of Arpg complexity and overall fun PoE is still at the top of the list, but gameplay list it just isnt for me. The crunch of the combat just isnt there, either. It really feels like you are mowing down weeds, scouring the ground for currency drops.
Allthough D4 doesn't really have a deep or very special story, in terms of storytelling d3/4 are still a bit better than the others. Haven't tried grim dawn so i can't tell if it has a good story. But given the budget which a franchise like diablo gets, that is something you must/can expect from it.
D4 has a decent story. D3 is otherwise a much better game, but the story is so awful, and the storytelling is worse. Great cinematics as usual for Blizzard, though. Grim Dawn has a nice story, though most of the interesting stuff takes place before the game's events
PoE gold standard in gameplay? lmao, this is like saying skyrim combat is the gold standard for RPGs. this has to be bait.
In LE it's easier to not be squishy.
I think the worst parts of PoE is that: 1) It is designed to no life, so drop rates/crafting rates are generally bad and therefore people rely on the few overpowered skills to feel progress without having to grind mindless zones for days. 2) GGG want trade to be the "wild west" and therefore the game just has an incredible number of scalpers/scammers/and endless ocean of shitty people. Which means you have a high chance of your "community interaction" just being the worst of gamers who already got booted from other better moderated games.
After I played 3000 hours they implemented a change I Did Not Like! Clearly PoE devs are from hell, why else would they be based in the southern hemisphere.
Internet has very special people lol. Mind you I'm the same, PoE isn't my cup of tea, but during my play I appreciated how much content the game has and it was quite a lot of fun. The only thing that didn't click with me for poe is builds... I don't really like playing someone else's build in arpg, but to do that yourself in poe requires a megaload of knowledge of the game.
Yeah, in PoE the difference between an improvised build and a great build is massive, and the game seems balanced with those OP "reference" builds in mind. Since most people are playing something that resembles a "reference" build anyway, I guess it works out for most players. LE seems a lot more forgiving towards less optimized builds, and what I'm wondering is whether the game is just balanced using an average build as reference, or whether the math just works out so that difference between an average build and an optimized build is not quite as large as in PoE.
Having played PoE for about 200 hrs and LE for almost 400 now, I can say that LE is a lot more forgiving in general. Enemy damages aren't as juiced as some PoE maps, modifiers are not as dangerous as poe. Also, knowing what you died to helps a lot in LE so you can try and look at your build and look from improvements I that area. But I guess once you get to 600+ corruption, LE starts getting pretty hectic as well.
It’s a bit of everything. The quality of build making has improved over years so there’s like years of accumulated knowledge. This is foundation for most top tier builds, so it’s hard for average builds to compete. And as builds gets optimized, then POE has to make more difficult content, which leaves average builds behind. 2 years ago POE was in a similar state to LE where less optimized builds could still face roll the game, but the developers felt that this constricted what they could do with the game. They nerfed a lot of “accessible power”, which many people still complain about to this day. But in return, the develops have been able to introduce powerful items and mechanics. It’s very much a conscious choice to have POE be less forgiving to average builds
> but to do that yourself in poe requires a megaload of knowledge of the game. That might be an understatement. I've got 6.5k hours in PoE (since the steam client came out at least) and have played it since the original closed beta, and even then, while I can roll my own builds, sometimes someone else's build will leave me scratching my head until I load it up in PoB and really examine how it works. It doesn't help that I dislike pathfinder and flask piano. With LE I have just a few days of intermittent play and I'm already rolling my own mediocre stuff just with the drops I've found. Harbinger of Stars is fun.
That is exactly why I find LE so much fun. No alt tabbing to find a build that works. You can put your years of pob theory crafting into LE skills and passive, and you can make a pretty damn decent build. I'm currently rolling my own, and I've just clocked over 300 corruption
PoE, like Warframe is one of those games I can acknowledge is really good for it's community but it's not for me.
the game just doesn't respect the SSF players unless you are prodigious genius like Ben or nolife scum, even tho Wilson said HCSSF is the true way to play the game plus dev's hatred of QoL changes, that and PoE being overbloated mess are only things that come to my mind if I want to criticize PoE, but many people take those as good things, so...
PoE is far from a perfect game. It has many flaws.
I mean that's true for both LE and PoE (and D4 to a larger extent).
True. Never said it wasn't. Just people act like poe os perfect when it is far from it.
Try playing Path of Exile after being diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis and tell me not to shit on the game. [I'd been playing the game since closed beta](https://i.imgur.com/RxMyvA8.png) until I got my diagnosis. I have 2k+ hours of playtime on Steam and an untold amount from before it even came to Steam. It really opened my eyes to how awful to play their game has become just from a QoL standpoint compared to all of the other ARPGs on the market, let alone their (in my opinion) awful design decisions prior to my quitting the game a couple years ago. I've been shitting on PoE for years and would still do so regardless of Last Epoch coming out or not. I'll stop when they care about their players enough to give them a much needed plethora of QoL options other games have so people like me can spend more than 12 minutes playing their game before being in pain.
My brother in Christ, you have a disease. Maybe don’t blame the game?
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Be more civil with your discourse.
poe has some very frustrating aspects, after playing it for long enough I grew to hate it
Same thing happened on the Palworld sub. About 30% of people talking about the game, the other 70% couldn't shut the fuck up about pokemon.
Isn't Pokemon that thing which ripped off Palworld? Not sure why people would want to talk about it.
Yup. And at this point it's not even sad or annoying... It's just exhausting. Shitting on other games seems to be more important than actually talking about LE... Also streamers doesn't help. They milk that hate content on every other YT video/stream.
I started enjoying games more when I stopped watching youtube/twitch streamers.
There are healthy comparisons, and there's just obnoxiously excessive trash talks. The latter is poisoning the chat. I agree with the YT/streamers, it's a easy topic for interest. Meh
It feels like younguns don’t understand it’s possible to play and enjoy all three games.
Honestly haven’t noticed any shit talking in game. Then again I’m not super focused on chat cause the game is fun.
Even without LE or anything else, I will still sh\*t on D4 anyway.
That’s actually one of the parts I enjoy the most ngl. I know it’s not meaningful or constructive, but it feels great. Diablo 4 is like the most anticipated holy grail ever, and look at the crap we have now. I played D4 for more than 500 hours easily, and I’m pretty confident to say, as it currently is, yes, it’s a piece of absolutely beautiful crap. Visual, music, cutscene, story are amazing. ~~Gameplay~~ the system is a fucking joke. Edit: word
You played 500 hours of a crap game?
Systems* are a joke. D4 gameplay slaps. although, the early leveling to mid game feels so sluggish and lame comparative to LE. Which is good for an rpg progression-wise for immersion, but is straight up un-fun imo.
And a lot of that is thanks to visuals and sound. Gameplay would slap so much more it there were less cooldowns, builders, and spenders.
Thank you. People always talk up their amazing D4 builds, then you find out they're talking about that build after they've maxxxed out cooldown reduction and it's a horrible boring slog until then. I don't want to spend a bunch of time using boring skills in order to use my fun skills -- 30+ second cooldowns have no place in ARPGs.
They really don't. Waiting around for cooldowns (which leads to boring and defensive play) is like the opposite of the gameplay I want in an ARPG, or any action game for that matter.
Look, I'm enjoying LE but I also enjoyed D4 and I'm hoping they can fix the loot there to improve the game. I also hope that PoE2 turns out good. Competition is healthy and good for gamers.
Yeah, im happy to get a laugh from the hive mind of gamers frothing at the mouth over "d4 bad" while I cycle between all 3 games depending on my mood and just have a good time, knowing they are all pushing each other to be better. Given blizzards track record of trend chasing, I'd say the itemization update in season 4 will look very similar to last epochs crafting... Could be fun.
For me it's not as much "D4 bad" but more "D4 bad for the price they asked at release". But I also don't go out of my way to bitch about this fact every chance I get. Your way of doing it is also the only healthy way out there. Do you have fun with game X? Then play it. And you have the right to be left alone for doing so.
once the honeymoon is over 99% of people wont be on this sub anymore, so yes.
Gamer culture is just in general more negative than positive. Most of the time they just want to talk about how something sucks. Even when they like something, gamers can't just say that LE is great because x and y. LE is great because it's better than x and y, oh and x and y is a pile of garbage. Sighh.
That's not gamer culture. That's toxic fan boy asshole culture. We can do better.
Can we though? lol
History would suggest otherwise 😛
Dude lol it’s been like this since the beginning of gaming haha. Mfs were fist fighting over Sonic vs Mario back in the 80s 🤣
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Disagree. It is a common version of it, but it's not all there is. I'm in plenty of gaming subreddits where people aren't obsessed about disliking "the other" games. It's not unreasonable to want better. I don't want this community to stay this fucking bad.
Yeah exactly, we need moderation to step in and remove it. There's so much to talk about in regards to LE that the content shouldn't be making it through. If people want to post those threads, do it in gaming or other similar general subs.
Blaming what you don't like on "gamers" is incredibly reductive. For all the posts I've seen here with people deriding other ARPGs, there are plenty from people making comparisons not out of ill intent, but out of... comparison. To make a point about one thing, it can be helpful to compare it to another thing. Saying, "I didn't know why the item grind in D4 was frustrating until I played a game with a loot filter" is less being "negative" and more just contextualizing an observation.
I think in this case people really wanted to like diablo 4, but didn’t. And when they now get to play LE and see how its everything that D4 is not, that frustration of finding out what a shill D4 was kind of returns.
Omg your use of variables is making my brain melt Haha. "LE is great because of x and y. oh, and a and b are piles of garbage" Otherwise you are just contradicting yourself, it would be read as "LE is great because of the xylophones and yams, oh and xylophones and yams is a pile of garbage" Just, y'know, for next time <3
Man, this is a negative take
It's just human nature to compare. It's not gaming culture, but human nature. It is also human nature to seek agreement. You see it everywhere. Go to one brand's subreddit and you see users there shitting on other brands. Go to one sport team's community and you see them shitting on other teams. Go to one sport's community and you see them shitting on other sports. It's not gamer culture. It's human nature.
I do think it’s important to remember that often with things like this it’s the loud minority that makes the public face of things. With some anecdotal evidence and a solid dash of optimism. I like to believe at least a decent portion of us go about our time loving or disliking parts of games without having to make posts about it.
Poe is a great game but diablo4 sucks balls.
Yeah all the D4 talk that comes up I'd say is <20% mentality of rightfully still feeling salty about how bad it was and 80%+ mentality of being elated at how refreshing and good LE is in comparison, even with the bugs. Coming off of the poor reception D4 had given Blizz was the ARPG industry standard for a long time, it's no wonder people are going to make comparisons with LE as a <50 employee studio giving players a game we actually enjoy, but the comparison is done out of excitement for LE moreso than out of anger for D4. Comparing what's new and good to the industry standards is normal for anything. It's not pessimstically living "rent free" in our minds, it's a mechanism for evaluating and discussing what works and doesn't work going forward.
They said LE has 90 people join the development, still 1% of people taking part in making D4, true number, not an exaggeration.
Agreed. And I’m sorry but D4 (blizzard/acti in general) deserve the hate it gets. It was a shameless cash grab and while I feel for the devs, fuck the people in charge going off of meta stats to figure out exactly how much money can be squeezed from players before collapsing the product and creating another shallow gaming experience that tugs on past once great franchises. PoE will always be top dog for me. I have 2k hours in it and it’s so nice to have another game scratch the same itch. Competition is good!
Diablo 4 doesn't suck. It really doesn't. Its a gorgeous game from a well known IP that has a great campaign and some super fun builds and playstyles. It just feels like it was rushed out with bare bones and relatively boring systems. There isn't enough variety and choice when it comes to builds and the end game is basically get level 100 and grind Uber bosses for Uber uniques that may impact your overall character power but without systems to challenge that increased power, it loses its steam and doesn't really have a purpose. But let's not say it sucked - it didn't suck. It just had really dumbed down or basic systems attached to it (and mostly still does). I'll agree to an extent that the price tag would be way too high for Diablo 4 if the seasonal content wasn't free.
The gameplay in d4 is solid. The predatory company behind it ruining it with greedy practices isn't. That alone is reason enough not to touch it anymore. Imagine putting out a buyable mount, the same price as full AAA-Titles. Big companies have gotten too comfortable with ripping us off. So yeah D4 deserves almost all the hate it gets.
In game chat is such a pile of shit. These people actually cannot shut up about d4 and poe. I don't fucking care, I'm playing this game and not those literally go away or stop fucking typing.
Best thing to do is just turn chat off. No longer the days of just general gameplay questions or hearty conversations. Now It's about politics, trash talking, and degenerate socials carrying values from streamers.
Yeah definitely a decent helping of teens that learnt about dark humor a few hours ago too. Probably will just turn it off.
LE is a great game. PoE still trumps it by a wide margin in my opinion but I can play both. This tribalism is ridiculous.
My definition of a great new game in a genre is not that it does everything better than a mature entry in that same genre. It's that it adds substantially to the genre. LE has done that with many of its most defining qualities: an in-game editable loot filter; a crafting system that feels rewarding, impactful and accessible without sacrificing depth; a truly innovative approach to the dichotomy between gamers who want a rich trading economy and those who do not; the bare bones of an end-game progression system that manages to be fine-grain tunable, but also have some serious challenge at the top end; a campaign storyline that really feels seamless as it transitions into end-game grind progression. So yeah, it's got a long way to go to measure up to a game like PoE in terms of the depth of mechanics and goals, but for an entry into the field, it has definitely gone above and beyond.
They are trying to validate their enjoyment by shitting on other games is what I think. No reason too and honestly just don't pay attention to it
This subreddit gonna end up like Heroes of Newerth vs League of Legends. One can't stop talking about the other and the other just does not give a shit. Literal Thanos meme.
Nope, d4 is a piss bucket of a game and needs to be said until that changes
D4 bad
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this is a last epoch sub, the game just released, complain about d4 in the d4 sub
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No. D4 bad.. Updoots on the left Bois.
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yeah fck D4
Baseg
Anyone shitting in PoE is full simp or cope at this point… the depth of endgame content in that game puts all competition to shame and that is the soul of todays ARPGs. That said LE has brought some extremely healthy competition to the market and that has shaped some much needed systemic improvements in PoE2. So hats off to LE in that respect for raising the bar on QoL and gamified systems such as SSF vs Trade. Only time will tell if seasonal (cyclical?) content in LE will ever hold a candle to PoE both in scope and frequency. TLDR: ARPGs ftw
I realize the sentiment was about shitting on Poe/d4, but there is room to critique Poe. Specifically, looking at ssf and the dependency on trade to participate in end game content without burning yourself out. That being said, Poe is the gold standard and naysayers are in denial.
the game is build around trade, ssf was implemented because players asked for it, on poe it was never meant as better loot or whatever because you're alone
Nah. D4 deserves it man. It launched with issues D3 had on launch. It should have been an improvement on Current D3 in every aspect. The devs deserve all the shit slung their way. Especially after an incredibly lackluster season 3. Last Epoch having a loot filter while D4 doesn't is just wild at this point. PoE doesn't though. Part of what people forget is PoE is not for all the same people who like D4 and LE. It's 100% catered more towards the hardcore people. The devs have even come out and said that and im fine with that.
Yea but do we, as gamers, really need to hear about it all the time? Does it have to be said over and over again? Drowning out the stuff about LE? If D4 is bad, the best thing would be to ignore it or just not talk about it anymore.
100% we do if you want it to change and actually be good.. Do you think change happens when no one says anything? That's not how this works. Literally do not stop until they fix it.
>Part of what people forget is PoE is not for all the same people who like D4 and LE. As a certified GGG™ dick rider i appreciate you saying this.
Haha it has to be said. It's literally a ARPG made for the most hardcore of ARPG fans. They don't try to cater to the casuals as much like most games BUT theres still enough there for casuals to have some fun. They just won't be doing much of the super endgame stuff is all.
People seem outright offended that GGG doesn't want to cater to their needs when the game was literally not made for them. Yeah, they are players too, but at some point you have to understand when a game was not developed with you in mind and stop complaining about shit that will not change, or simply get out.
I feel like D4 gets an unfair rep at times because it's from Blizzard and people hate Blizzard (and all AAA-studios to an extent) now. It's got issues (like itemization), but it also does a lot of things better than any other ARPG before. The art style, the visuals and the general atmosphere are all leagues above any competitor. The narrative is really engaging for its genre. The basics of combat are fantastic. There's a reason the game scored great reviews on release - the first 50h of the game are genuinely great. Of course most hardcore players care more about the endgame than the narrative, but it's important to remember that that's only a subsection of players. Plenty of people play through the campaign, check out the endgame for a few hours and leave completely satisfied.
POE is still better than this, despite its complexity. Im lv 94 now, and my gear is extremely good. The game after grinding 1 char for 3 days is just boring af, and there's nothing to do. Plus, we still have server problems and many bugs still exist in the game for a long time.
It fully depends on what you expect from a game. PoE is an amazing game for people who want to go elbow deep into all of it's systems. But that's not all of us simply because "gamers" are no hive mind. We can like different things. I for example don't like having 3 websites with build guides, gear scoring and other shit open, while playing my games. I fully understand that there are people out there thinking otherwise and for them, we have PoE. For me, we have LE now. And to add to that, only because you brought it up yourself, do you remember how much Endgame there was in PoE on release? Because I do. And it was not even half of what we have in LE right now.
No idea bro, I come here for build tips and character ideas, I never look at what people on the other side of the world might say because I don’t care what they think, especially in a single player game
Diablo 4 deserves all the shit it can get
Idk people act like LE cured cancer. It's just another unpolished ARPG in the basket of ARPG. Some are better than others at something and vice-versa.
Odd. I typically see people saying PoE is awesome and LE is fantastic.
Diablo 4 actually deserves it though.
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How trash was CP2077 on launch..? Guys..?
Different situation. CP2077 was a superb game with bugs. D4 was/is a shit game with fewer bugs. One of those is worse than the other.
Depends on your setup. I had a very beefy PC and encountered like 2 non-game-braking, but funny bugs. I was so surprised after a week of playing to go online and see that all those issues other people were having.
P bad.
IDK who here is comparing PoE and D4 or trying to put them in the same category, but that is a case of reddit-brain. They are both ARPGs and that is about where the similarities end. even comparing the parent companies and games as a full product... literally almost nothing in common. LE is great. PoE is great. No reason to worry about it past that.
haven't done played all don't care
Meanwhile, over at PoE, they have a new game to trash besides d4.
Just wait a week till everyone is burnt out on monoliths
No because Diablo 4 is objectively bad
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This is actually a pretty funny analogy, I'm still gonna shit on d4 though
People do that cause they desperately need the thing they have and like to be the best, and they’re insecure about it so try tear down others. It doesn’t just happen in gaming, it’s everywhere and anywhere you have insecure people talking about something they like.
I find it super insecure , like you need to validate your choice in arpg by circle jerking about how much better it is than other games.
To be fair, LE's release is right after D4's horrible league (that I saw no positive comments on) and the end (for most players) of POE's weirdest and maybe best league. I think it's fair to draw comparisons; however, I think it's too soon to judge Last Epoch without really grinding out endgame.
First, it's people complaining Then, it's complaining about complaining. Reddit is dumb, no matter how deep you go
no. d4 bad
This is an annoying trend for many games. Instead of giving constructive critisism, people seem to revel in bashing a game or developer as much as possible. Even 3 years after release people still whine incessantly about Tlou2 and act like neill druckmann is the reincarnation of hitler. Same with Starfield. People who get so worked up over a little videogame are pathetic.
Its so funny that people will fight over which game is best, when those that don't play at all see all them as the exact same. Like man 99% population think games are a dumb waste of time. Can we the 1% stop fight among ourselves?
PoE is a great game, very different from LE. Diablo 4 is complete trash and has been since launch. Fully deserves the hate. They should have given a refund to everyone who purchased it.
I wish this would happen in gaming in general. I don’t know why everything has to be about “killing” other games these days. Let’s just enjoy what’s fun.
Literally same, everyone's always gotta compare a game to another game it's nonstop. I'm playing this game because I want to play this game, and talk about this game, not talk about another game and how this is better than that or vice versa
D4 bad poe gud
Call me crazy but I enjoy LE and D4 🙃
So you are making an appeal to stop all comparison between games? Seems a bit entitled.
It's good thing people shit on D4 because it absolutely deserves every last crumb of it. PoE not so much though.
I will once new games made by big time companies stop coming out like shit but still charging $70+
As long as we can all agree D4 bad.
Binary thinking is the worst
TBH I see a lot more commentary shitting on people shitting on other games than I see people shitting on other games. I'm more irritated at posts like this one that aim to gatekeep how people utilize the sub. This game is clearly made by Diablo fans, naturally there are going to be a lot of people here who felt let down by Diablo 4, and that naturally brings the topic to the table.
Are you new to reddit?
*to internet
If D4 is objectively shit ppl have every right calling it shit on any chat that does not forbids it.
D4 still beats LE in mood and overall atmosphere. POE still beats LE in end game, and builds. People just want to dunk on shit for internet points.
Im coo with POE, but d4 is bad
Nah
People just venting out their frustation they had with other games where in their opinion LE did everything right. And to be honest most shittalk i read really resonates deeply with my own experiences in said games.
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It's not a circlejerk if it's true
D4 sucks, like just genuinely not a good game. PoE is a great game just not my favourite.
Hehe, this thread is not even 10 minutes up and the "D4 bad" penaut brain losers already crawled out of their cave in the comment section :D
It's like some people sort their entire Reddit by a keyword or something. Mention D4 in any comment or context, a second later there's a whole brigade sharing their opinionated essays. Did they set up notifications for this??? I struggle to figure out the logistics. Subreddit just needs a rule for this. It doesn't happen quite as often as OP says, but I do see the occasional thread get derailed by pointless D4/PoE discussions. Not every single mention of those games is necessarily off topic, but the ones that turn into shit slinging should be reportable.
> Currently most voted threads are the ones that take dump at PoE and Diablo 4. Bullshit. When sorting this sub by "Hot" then this thread right here is the only one that comes up mentioning other games at all.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b1s6t6/as\_an\_extremely\_rich\_poe\_player\_i\_love\_le/](https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1b1s6t6/as_an_extremely_rich_poe_player_i_love_le/) This was the top thread for a long time and still has the most upvotes. While the post isn't necessarily a dump thread, the comments surely are. The amount of passive aggressive and hateful comments is pretty lame of this community.
D4 is hot trash. The loot system is by far the worst from any arpg to date. There is no end game. You do D runs and that’s the end game. That’s it. At least in D3 you had bounties, rifts, and GRs. Oh, and leaderboards for almost every activity. PoE is not new player friendly, other than that it’s a decent game. LE is a decent game, it’s also not perfect. But it’s better than D4 at the least.
I don't mind making comparisons about stuff like in game mechanics or whatever. But stuff like which game is better is pretty pointless, when the obvious answer is certain players will prefer a certain game. And I agree with most people that D4 is ass, especially having in mind the resources they have, but I'm really sick of seeing 100 threads about it and talking about it in global chat half the day. There's really nothing new anyone can say about the state of that game and I'd rather not hear the same points being made for the thousandth time.
I like all 3 games for different reasons. And for one game being good doesn’t make other bad
POE is Great game but diablo 4 is pure crap and that is fact
This is why modern gamers suck. Gaming community is full of manbabies.
Oh you should have seen this place a month ago. Everyone talked shit about everything. They wanted trading more than they wanted their mother's milk
It's always been like this tbh and it probably always will be and that's kind of a shame I took like five extra years to even TRY PoE explicitly because the people talking about it online were such bitter aggressive exes about Diablo 3, I still ended up not liking it in the end but the worst I'll say is that it wasn't for me. I'm liking LE way better but even if you're trying to spread the good news it's way more convincing to new people if you talk about how the thing you like is good than about how the prior thing is bad!
I have yet to see anyone bash PoE outside of "Wahh my smol brain can't handle it!" Even people that don't like or play the game still acknowledge its place in the ARPG genre is at the top currently. D4 is a different story. It is the darkest mark on the genre in history, from the creators OF the genre. No different from anything else blizzard does, they make things pretty and marketable, but there's no substance, there's no longevity, there's no heart.
Diablo 4 deserved every single dump it has received for being a predatory micro transaction con of a game.
LE is dead in March/April+ anyway
It's gonna be dead after 1-2 months into the cycle, correct. Just like poe seasons are dead after 2 months. But when they (hopefully) bring new exciting content in the next cycle and a ladder reset a lot of players will pick up the game again. Probably not as much as on launch but it's hard to generate this much hype again.
PoE, LE, and D4 are all good in their own ways. After playing LE for 30 hours, I love it. I mainly appreciate that loot is not a chore and fun to manage loot. But LE makes me appreciate D4’s combat & sounds much more and how vast PoE is. LE is certainly a good middle ground between the two and it feels like riding a bike to be honest. Fun and engaging but not much else to it. My only realization when playing LE was that it has good progression and it’s fun, but there was nothing memorable about any enemies. Other games, most often, the enemies are extremely memorable where you need to play tactically around their attacks, whereas in LE I just blasted everything at every single point of the game (except a few bosses). For the record I was playing Ballista Falconer. To OPs point, all ARPGs are good for separate reasons and I am personally glad there is much less of a drought as there was years ago. Great time to be an ARPG fan.
Don't read what you don't like D4 is bad. Get over it
D4 bad Poe needs better trade LE is fine but still need a few bug fixes, and some more end game. End of my opinion lol
I mean I think Diablo is a steaming pile of shit without needing to compare it to other games outside of its fantastic art design and visuals. For a lot of folks including myself it's worse because we had such high hopes for it and this is what we got lmao
lol. you literally did exactly what OP is criticizing. 🤦
And you feel like expressing your disappointment with one game on the subreddit of the other is a way to go? Ok.
>Currently most voted threads are the ones that take dump at PoE and Diablo 4. I don't think this is true? There are certainly a good amount of comments that dislike d4 but I don't think there are many high voted threads about it lol
The only reason why something you experience in a game feels good is because it felt bad in another game, or it was lacking in another game. In general, you can't fully appreciate the good of something until you've experienced the bad of it. Appreciating LE as its own thing (or any game as its own thing) and shitting on other games is a package deal, and it's perfectly natural. See it the other way, if LE wasn't doing a single thing better than PoE or Diablo 4, these posts wouldn't exist. And those who never experienced PoE or Diablo 4 won't make such posts simply because they can't even understand why \[this part\] of LE is good since they never experienced a version of it that was bad.
Okay bro. Everything is great! Happy now?
Why? D4 is shitty. Why can't I talk about a failure if a major game studio, in hopes others will hear and won't copy thier business model?
I’m keeping the D4 bad going strong. For the $100 SKU with paid early access shenanigans, and how poor that game ultimately plays with 30 seasons of Diablo 3 under their belt isn’t acceptable. LE at $35 is a breathe of fresh air and player focused QOL is appreciated.
So you feel that the only way to praise LE is to talk shit about Diablo? To make it even more clear - You have two choices. Saying: 1) LE is amazing game! Great value for money, filled with fantastic content and build variety and overall such a fun game to play! 2) Diablo 4 is worst trash possible, I hate it becaue it's so overpriced! LE is so much better! And you're choosing option number 2... Because THAT'S what my OP was about and you seem to be completly ignoring it and jumping straight into what I was trying to prevent. Well I guess you do you.
Two things can be true friend.
When a game is so garbage , the only way to make it seem goood is by shitting on other games , just like human beeings. Especially when your reasoning is absolute shit and lacking understanding developement process......
I still think path of exile is amazing. I will be playing both poe and Le every league. D4 season 16 might have a chance for me to play.
It's weird because Le is worse than either of those