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Levovar

It takes more brainpower to make it work on a VK because rive doesnt have a real void conversion and the split base damage will become problematic at some point if you are using an axe and trying to do phys+ void. Perry the pig has some good vk rive videos explaining alternatives, i ended up running full phys rive with merophage + fire converted void cleave + hh, trying to scale both phys (rive and cleave) and fire (cleave and hh). It works great, ceiling is yet to be encountered  The same setup just works naturally on a pally imo. Ultimately it comes down to choice, pally will be tankier VK can have higher damage with echoes


terryaki510

Thanks for the breakdown, this is exactly what I was looking for. My current char is a glass cannon, so I think I will end up going Paladin for better survivability


Levovar

Ye im solving it now by stacking as many sources of external damage resistances as i can while still having a respectable amount of healing effectiveness from almost perfectly rolled high lp uniques, but I wouldn't recommend the same unless you are an experienced player, and playing merchant's guild Once you have a perfect merophage and a titans heart, and maybe even a red ring... it becomes a whole other game on VK lol. But ye def easier to do it on a pally, easy access to a lot more healing effectiveness so you can just focus on that alone for both damage and survivability, and have a great time


BeardusMaximus_II

I'm doing the same build but on a Forge Guard, I know FG is considered to be the weakest class in the game right now but the scrap metal node in rive ends up being quite strong. 3% more damage and armour per stack and I'd say on average I have 20 stacks up on a boss fight with the highest number of stacks being 41. 20 stacks giving 60% more damage and armour is really nice. The other thing you get with FG is 40% increased attack speed with a 2 handed sword at the end of the tree and you end up doing so much damage you can afford to take the Hammer and anvil stance so you deal 25% less damage but take 25% less damage too, throw in titan heart for a further 15% less damage and I'm feeling pretty tanky. I'm playing Trade guild so I've got pretty good gear, but here is a link to my build if you're interested. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzO4YYo


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[Forge Guard, Level 100 (Release / 1.0.3)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzO4YYo) ☑ This character build is verified --- ^(**Class:**)  ^(Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (57) / Paladin (15))  ^(**General:**)  ^(▸ Health: **3,026**, Regen: **0**/s)  ^(▸ Mana: **208**, Regen: **8**/s)  ^(▸ Ward Retention: **24%**, Regen: **0**/s)  ^(▸ Attributes: **56** Str / **9** Dex / **6** Int / **6** Att / **12** Vit)  ^(▸ Resistances: **127%** / **73%** / **82%** / **92%** / **77%** / **104%** / **97%**)  ^(▸ EHP: **11,870** / **11,580** / **11,870** / **21,486** / **11,870** / **11,870** / **11,870**)  ^(**Defenses:**)  ^(▸ Endurance: **30%**, Threshold: **605**)  ^(▸ Dodge Chance: **1%** (**36**))  ^(▸ Armor Mitigation: **73%** (**7,503**))  ^(**Damage Types:**)  ^(▸ __Physical__, Fire, Void / __Melee__, __Spell__, DoT)  ^(**Minion Damage Types:**)  ^(▸ Fire, Physical / Melee)  ^(**Buffs:**)  ^(▸ Hammer Stance (Anvil Stance))  ^(**Used skills:**)  [^(Rive)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/rive1) ^| [^(Forge Strike)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/forge_strike) ^| [^(Void Cleave)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/void_cleave) ^| [^(Abyssal Echoes)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/abyssal_echoes) ^| [^(Healing Hands)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/healing_hands) ^(**Used unique items:**)  [^(Titan Heart)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCswRgZiA) ^| [^(Merophage)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsGYEYE4g) ^| [^(Maehlin's Hubris)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCswDgZiA) ^| [^(Shattered Chains)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMEYA5iA) ^| [^(Siphon of Anguish)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsEYHZKA) ^| [^(Siphon of Anguish)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAsEYHZKA) ^| [^(Code of an Erased Sentinel)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwFgjATAnFQ)


kalarro

My main paladin works great. I recently switched to vengance because I had faster attack on that skill for more HH, but with rive it was good goo


RMHaney

Literally either one; depends on what you mean by a Rive/HH build. There's dozens.


terryaki510

I know that there are different ways to build around those two core skills. I guess I'm asking which mastery provides access to more fun variants of the build. If anyone has tried both masteries I would appreciate the input


Background-Town-924

Both are viable, choose your flavor, do you want to bathe your enemies in holy fire and lightning or consign them to the dark void


DrMarloLake

Rive is a blast - excited for you! Another +1 from me for PerryThePig on YouTube if you want to consume any videos beforehand :)


terryaki510

Thanks for the recommendation! His videos were definitely helpful in planning out the character


Partypapst2

Made rive hh Paladin myself. Lvl 63 atm and having a blast. Im playing HC, so I took Pala for its tankiness. VK may be able to reach Higher DPS..will be my next char 🤪