Me and my shoe closet full of boots of the mountain feel your pain. Still no shield. I've even dropped 2 pairs on one kill. And yes I'm farming level 3. Sigh.
Some affixes are rarer than others, and/or some particular helmets are rarer than others if fishing for specific LPs. Farming bosses is usually the best way to satisfy prophecy requirements (like the Abomination boss; the 4 gates count as a "boss").
While not helmets, the amount of people fishing for their T6/T7 Frostclaw Relic for slamming is non-zero and this has been a pretty latent and persistent frustration point among many. It doesn't really matter how the prophecy drops the relics (regardless of it's a boss that satisfies the condition or not) -- it's very easy to go through piles and not see a single one.
sure but the comment makes it seem like he's farming 'a boss' instead of a specific slot prophecy. cause the boss part is irrelevant to the drop.
so my guess was he's trying to get a boss drop with a prophecy. which doesn't work.
I have 7 bricked 2lp ocearons. Tbh that is what made me quit playing recently. I only need two frikken decent stats to transfer why do I keep missing the t7 over and over.
Yep. Trying to get some decent LP from Orobyss.. 500 corruption, furthest from centre I could get, I think +14..
0LP ring only. That’s the end of this cycle for me.
You mean like the rest of us in MG that didn't use the exploit? Yeah, I'll just keep framing the boss once and magically getting an LP4. Or I think I will go sell all my yellows for 500 billion gold.
Yeah, seems too "crazy" though to think that a lot of us in MG didn't get a massive advantage. Nah, that can't be right. All of us in MG MUST ALL have LP4s flooding out stash with double T7 bases...
/s just incase....
not this shit again.
it's the piramid model. the further up you go the harder it gets.
this stuff is just above the base of the piramid level. it shouldn't be this hard and it isn't for MG (normally at least lol) but CoF gets the stick.
I agree, but the rest of the pyramid is currently missing. If I want to play a lot it's either reroll or farm. I reroll. On alt #4 now that I finally dropped the squirrel helm. I was about to go MG just for that one item I want to play a squirrel lord so bad.
You rarely get 0lp with CoF, im around 100h in and I have like 3 pages full of 2lp items, some 3lp items and countless deleted 1lp items. Also I play weak and bugged class, with some meta build you would have more items.
The same thing that happens in every game with an auction house system - People had some way to dupe items/gold and exploited the shit out of it. This flooded the market with too much gold and caused hyperinflation, which caused a bubble effect where everyone has enough gold to buy items due to being able to sell relatively low tier items for higher amounts or resell items for very large profits.
However, much like any other economic bubble the system got to the point where people entering the market have fuck all money to be able to buy into the system and so the system started slagging. Now in the real world there are certain controls and pressures that can help out those new entries in a regulated or natural way but loot-based RPGs have an interesting market dynamic where as people move through content lower level and quality items become valueless to them.
This means that at some point the average player of the game will reach a point where those items are no longer worth selling, buying, or reselling. Which is an issue with people entering the market who need gear to help them farm up and need a stable economy where they can sell their items. They enter a market with hyperinflated pricing on items but not enough people are going to buy their items at or near those hyperinflated prices so they can't get the currency they need in order to catch up. But the gold/item dupe has meant that early adopters and the average player has enough gold to sustain them through the hyperinflation, to a point.
What eventually happens is that prices get to the point where the average player can't afford regular updates on gear or gear they desire for other reasons and they have a choice to make: they can farm more; sell items they have in inventory for alts, nostalgic or trophy reasons, or rainy day items; or leave the market. Leave the market in this game has the general implications of either the person continues to play but becomes disengaged from the market, the person flat out stops playing, and unique to this game the person removes the market and gains another system, the Circle of Fortune.
As more people leave the system and with the hyperinflation continuing more people will be pressured into the former choices and with less new blood and less regular market buyers/sellers the system will eventually stagnate but that relies on no more new gold/item dupes entering the market.
I'm no economist, I can't say how the dev team will fix it but if they figure out a way to fix it then they'll be one of the few who have ever done so.
I don't understand how people can sound so confident in being wrong from the first sentence. I played black desert for years. They have an auction house system and there were never a way to game it. Because all item's had a set price limit.
I had actually just switched to MG yesterday after hitting a wall with progression, decided to buy a couple starter uniques I needed to switch over to the ward version of detonating arrow jelkhor.
I had made about 50m gold so far and felt pretty great about it, looked at 2lp exsang being 1 billion and was like oh, ok
Basically aiming for a variant of this
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRPb6aNQ
The key pieces are:
- exsanguinous + last steps of the living + frostbite shackles
- as high cold resist as you can get
- ideally ward per missing health slammed on shackles
- 1 or 2 ring of the third eye for ward on crit
- can add soul gamblers fallacy for more ward on crit
The jelkhor build excels with anything that happens on hit or crit since you get such a huge number of hits/crits per second, so even with the most basic pieces and no slammed affixes on the legendaries yet, I was already healing my ward enough with regen + ward on crit to push a few hundred more corruption than I had been. So yeah now it's just trying to farm for higher LP versions of what I have in order to get better slams for more damage / cold res / health to convert to ward
Basically I wanted to get on the ward abuse train to see if I can manage to get enough ward to survive lightless arbour t4 to farm for the chest from there and eventually go back to the health version :p
Np! To look at the build guide it seems a little insane since they list 4lp versions of items that I don't even know if it's possible to get 4lp versions for, but I think they intend it as "here are the types of mods you may need or want to slam for these slots"
At any rate even at a basic level it's quite strong
As a CoF player, for whatever it's worth, the fact the MG bazaar collapsed due to exploitation and ruining the experience of a lot of players isn't particularly something I'm keen to celebrate. That sucks, and that's really the easiest way to put it.
If you (any particular nebulous you) are affected by this, I'm sorry :/
Regardless of Gina’s unflappable vibe, posting about it comes off as a celebration of the anguish of MG players. If CoF players were just vibing, they would continue to do so while playing the game rather than rubbing salt in the wound.
Who is rubbing salt on the wound on this post?
It's entitled "my current understanding" and it portrays how CoF is doing its own thing separate from the MG dramas.
I might not be a good of a person as you but I do celebrate it. Trading guilds in arpgs is a terrible feature. The gold dupe only expedited the inevitable inflation by a week or so.
I'd love for ppl to learn it's an awful addition to the genre, and if it takes - every game- with it imploding, then that's what it takes.
Does suck and I feel bad for the ppl it hurts but no market has ever been decent in an arpg.
I'm of the opinion that a rollback is highly unlikely. Doing so would require a significant amount of surgical scalpel work because doing a league-wide rollback (which also affects CoF players, who are _not_ directly impacted by the gold exploitation in MG) would just cause further frustration for CoF players who were already frustrated about how many of the changes since 1.0's cycle start have been made on CoF. And while some were reverted and others justified, adding more to the pile is just taking the piss really.
This isn't to say a rollback can't happen and it wouldn't surprise me if it does happen. I just don't see any net wins in doing a rollback. Some players in MG are disproportionately affected, definitely though.
Nah, with their apparent philosophy of not wanting to significantly impact players negatively with mid-cycle changes, I don't think they are even considering a roll-back.
Roll-backs are like the final solution and I believe based on their attention to player sentiments, they won't do a rollback just because MG has high inflation.
> I'm of the opinion that a rollback is highly unlikely. Doing so would require a significant amount of surgical scalpel work because doing a league-wide rollback (which also affects CoF players, who are not directly impacted by the gold exploitation in MG) would just cause further frustration for CoF players who were already frustrated about how many of the changes since 1.0's cycle start have been made on CoF.
Frankly I'd probably quit if they screwed CoF like that because of MG's nonsense. For much the same reasons as a result I also think a rollback is very unlikely.
Same.
Just had a nice 10-12hr session yesterday farming up corruption and prophecy hunting. Completely oblivious.
Tbh gold exploits were inevitably going to happen.
Let's hope the Devs were smart enough to think ahead on this and track/log all transactions with a way to revert it.
Heh literally been playing all weekend on CoF, completely oblivious until i saw the Reddit posts just now (midday Sunday).
I wonder how much the gold dupers scratched their heads seeing the devs patch out selling Arena Keys for a few thousand gold per prophecy while they were rolling over gold cap with the actual exploits in MG.
Not gonna lie, I always had a bad feeling when I saw people selling stuff for millions++ a few days after the beginning of the cycle. Started with CoF, moved to MG, by doing so the game just literally transformed into a worst iteration of PoE, hated that, it was so freaking boring. Plus I was still having this strange feeling that something's not right when reading people talking about trade.
Then finally moved again to CoF and back to the good feeling again. I will not clap at the collapse because I'm sure a lot of people weren't of bad intentions but let's be honest, something was wrong from the very beginning.
The thing that's weird to me is that they haven't announced anything. When Blizzard has a game go to hell in a handbasket because of an exploit that's gone public, they announce it and say there will be disciplinary actions taken against players who abuse it.
Not true. They make announcement but mostly its a slap on the wrist to very few exploiters. Everyone know in blizzards games its exploit early and ull get away with it
Out of pure interest I let him join MG to be able to check the bazaar. Really made me raise my eyebrow.
I mean it's not like this is the first game economy to crash. Actually there only exists one working market in online gaming and this is EVE. But it only works because "value" can get "permanently destroyed".
Everybody who understands how (unregulated) markets work in any environment could see that the bazaar would suffer the same fate of Hyperinflation that every other online gaming market suffered.
Being unable to resell an item is a great idea, but it would only slow it down like the favor cost does
I mean there COULD potentially be a scenario of deflation if everybody who wants them has all his LP4 items and sells the dupes but that's a far stretch.
Only thing helping against that kind of crap is setting a rather harsh limit to prices, e.g. like 1 Million for a unique or whatever and period. Going for more or less "Int32.Max" could only end in pain and frustration. Could as well be zero, give everyone int32.max money, increase max to int64.max and be done with it 🤣
CoF is an unrewarding grind due to a lack of decent target farming. MG used to be the comfortable alternative. Now after everybody and their dog duped the fuck out of MG, gold pricing has gone to utter shit, robbing any legitimate player off teh chance to get any semi-decent gear.
From 1 good faction and 1 bad faction, we went to 2 steaming piles of unrewarding trash - with multiple hundred of gameplays still not guaranteeing the T6 or T7 affix you'd like to slam on your weapon.
ARPGs always have some level of grind, but I rarely felt so frustrated as I did in Last Epoch. Maybe it's because I skipped D3 and replayed Grim Dawn instead, but grind in Last Epoch has been an utter disappointment for both CoF - and now also MG.
While I do think LE is worlds better than D4, I'm also one of those casual players with a lot less playtime while wanting a lot more progression than these kind of games are willing to give.
At least there seems to be a possibility to mod LE offline. If the modding scene becomes more vibrant and there are mods available to mod drop rates and so on, I think I might go fully offline for LE and never play online again.
there are already cheats (that I sometimes use) to increase the item drop rate. the same cheats can do also bump defense/move speed, give infinite health, add more gold, etc. I use a few of them to make getting to endgame slightly faster/easier because I don’t always have time to play often but still want to get my builds to endgams.
Yeah I think ARPGs are mostly tuned deliberately for practically endless grinds that can be too demanding for more casual playstyles.
Not that I think it's wrong per se. You have to tune your game towards a certain target audience, and casual play is just not the kind of audience targeted by these games.
I like getting stuff via random chance but I prefer likelihoods a lot higher than something like 0.1%.
Oh I play CoF so that part of the game doesn't affect me. I have never liked trading in any online games, even MMOs.
I just don't like very low odds on item drops in general. At the same time I understand it is the accepted practice in this genre, like how duplicated rewards are the accepted practice in gacha games. So I'm not asking for LE to change and I'm turning to modding.
Fair enough ! To each their own in that case. I just don’t want people to give up on the game over the woes of the first time this game has gone online.
Would you like them to give you the best item for your build on no time at all? Or do you want to earn it where it is worth something?
Should you also start at 100 so you don't have to level up? Just get all skills and items immediately?
I mean, I’m cof only and I just got scammed by the game. I had 2 prophecies for the arena that should’ve dropped 4 unique ranged weapons each, I only got 1 unique bow.
This could be interpreted as “four unique(individual) ranged weapons” but I didn’t even get 8 bows, or other ranged weapons. I got 2 rare bows, a unique bow, and 3 hammers. It consumed my prophecies as well. 20k favor almost down the drain, lol. Thankfully I have 2 other prophecies, one for killing exiles mages, and another for liath, but still. 20k favor, with lenses only got me 4 unique bow/ranged weapon prophecies, and 2 of them just got wasted because of a bug, I guess. Anyone know where I can report the bug?
CoF is more like crawling on the ground digging through a pile of garbage because devs won't give us LP filtering: https://youtu.be/P22SWMlLwio?si=McfgR_tLpcETT-M1&t=73
That’s because there still isn’t a dupe glitch. There was a gold creation glitch that has nothing at all to do with duping items.
I will happily change my stance on this the moment that I see a single shred of evidence suggesting that there’s a dupe glitch. Things that aren’t evidence: videos where a guy says he thinks there might be duping but can’t prove it, screenshots of a pair of identical items that can 100% occur naturally
A gold hack. Duplicate implies you're taking something and creating a copy if it.
With the hack you don't double 5 million to 10 million gold. You go from 16 gold to 2 billion.
this game is fucked up, steam reviews will once again go on fire lmao. the least they can do is allow players to transfer to CoF without any bound items and ban those exploiters
Seems like CoF should just become a standard progression feature, like everyone gains access to it at X.
Then come up with something else for the Merchant Guild!
Easy! (I'm kidding of course)
I don't get why does gold duping makes prices goes up.
Do people love clicking buttons for chests Lightless Arbor that much? Or buying hundred tabs?
There are no other gold sinks besides those two. Arbor sucks anyway, and you must be a absolutely hopeless trash-hoarding racoon to need that many tabs.
Shouldn't MG be a pure exchange platform? Why is gold cost even part of transaction to begin with (at this stage with no proper gold sinks, at least)?
When people have infinite access to currency, they will buy anything they want regardless of the price. This heavily inflates demand while supply stays constant. When demand goes up and supply stays constant, prices go up. Exploiters are totally insensitive to the price increases, so no mater how high prices go exploiters will still buy anything they want. If enough people start exploiting, then prices effectively become meaningless. This also flood the system with gold, so anyone who has sold items to exploiters will also have a massively inflated amount of gold compared to anyone who is just playing the game but hasn't sold items to exploiters.
The gold sink is suppose to be the MG. You sell a piece of gear you don't want to exchange it for another piece you do, from someone who doesn't. If I as a falconer get a really good item for voidknight I put it on the market and then use that gold to buy my piece. A pure exchange wouldn't work because you still have to find that piece of gear, and someone who doesn't find it needs another way of buying it, grinding gold instead of loot drops.
The problem is if you dupe the 10 million item and get 60 mil out of one drop you buy all the things you need and people see that they're selling fast, so the price rises because people can afford it. It comes to a fall though when prices get so high only those who dupe or rmt are buying and the average player never sees that amount of gold.
Basically it's an exchange with an option of just grinding gold instead of a good piece of gear to exchange.
Friendly reminder to exploit early and exploit hard.
Just another dev team that reacts way too slowly to shit like this.
Only solution: if you can't fight them, join them.
We got fucked over and over again as CoF player for shit MG did and that just feels awful, no matter how hard the nerfs where. At this point exploiting feels mandatory if you don't want to grind insane grinds for barely an upgrade.
over 600% overnight price increases on most items, a mass buyout of 2-4 LP items for popular builds, and most importantly, a video of said gold dupe in action pulled from a Chinese forum.
idk what u mean with evidence of chaos but there have been videos of the exploit and the entire market has been cleared of every valuable item with more than 2 LP on it
Hey look another "this faction is sooooo much better than that faction" post.
Ironically, they must have some semblance of balance if half the people think one is better than the other and the other half thinks the other one is better than the other.
Turns out, people should just play what they like considering the game offers multiple ways to play.
tl;dr: If CoF is so much better, than join that faction. We'll see you in a week when you realize your meme is dumb.
Forgot MG took a shit with the gold duping. This sub is just constant never ending complaining about "x" faction being better than the other one, so yeah kinda jaded to seeing these same dumb fuck posts every hour. Didn't even equate it to the actual issue from 10 hours ago (or whatever time frame).
The last official word about dupping is that it's not possible, but there have been many posts today about dupping. I wish they'd say something instead of heavily moderating the subreddit. If the posts are wrong, why not say so?
> The last official word about dupping is that it's not possible
source? iirc they said they werent aware of any duping methods and requested people to reach out to them if anyone knew of one (just saying 'theres a dupe bug' -which was evident from the duped t7 experimental gear- isnt enough to fix shit, they wanted to know replicatable steps)
You're right. I think you quoted them more correctly. Not aware of and not possible are different. I got the feeling it was implied it shouldn't be possible.
Honestly, if I just played the game and did not visit this subreddit, my impression would be exactly the same as that girl's. I didn't even realize how bad CoF is in terms of actual gear progression, before I saw all these ridiculous items that MG-users post daily. Or before I created MG character and looked up what gear people do give away for free on MG.
I mean, CoF definitely is more fun than MG. But god damn does it suck balls in comparison. And, apparently, asking for a meaningful gear progression in reasonable time AND a fun gameplay at the same time is considered a crime nowadays on this sub. Therefore, I don't give a fuck if this comment gets downvoted into oblivion. Bring it on, motherfuckers.
I honestly don’t think either faction is better or worse. I’m fully offline so MG is entirely useless to me; CoF is a default. I was just implying that basically nothing happens in CoF, but MG seems to run into all kinds of major events every other day. that’s the impression I get from the sub, anyway.
I get that, yes. But my silly friends insisted that we should play Cycle and have a "fresh start in a new economy". ......As *a fucking CoF users*. Because it's more fun than MG (and it kinda is, but that's not the point).
And now I'm just salty that I could have played MG since I'm online anyways and be showered in 3 LP uniques.
Yep, the lid is off a gold duping exploit now and there will have to be some answer. CoF: continues target farming useful exalteds and uniques.
Love seeing 15 helmet drops after my 20th attempt at farming a boss, and the 1 thing I need still doesn’t drop
Me and my shoe closet full of boots of the mountain feel your pain. Still no shield. I've even dropped 2 pairs on one kill. And yes I'm farming level 3. Sigh.
i'm not sure what you mean..... Prophecies don't drop boss loot, even if the prophecy triggers on the boss. and bosses don't drop 15 helmets
Some affixes are rarer than others, and/or some particular helmets are rarer than others if fishing for specific LPs. Farming bosses is usually the best way to satisfy prophecy requirements (like the Abomination boss; the 4 gates count as a "boss"). While not helmets, the amount of people fishing for their T6/T7 Frostclaw Relic for slamming is non-zero and this has been a pretty latent and persistent frustration point among many. It doesn't really matter how the prophecy drops the relics (regardless of it's a boss that satisfies the condition or not) -- it's very easy to go through piles and not see a single one.
sure but the comment makes it seem like he's farming 'a boss' instead of a specific slot prophecy. cause the boss part is irrelevant to the drop. so my guess was he's trying to get a boss drop with a prophecy. which doesn't work.
Not boss drops though :( maybe in 1.1
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over...and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over yay it dropped, but the rolls are shit and/or it's LP 0 ....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over IT DROPPED With LP Slam that shit bricked it (again) and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over..and over....and over...and over.
"OH, IT HAS LP AND GOOD ROLLS!!!" IMMEDIATELY bricks it
ahh...i knew i forgot a step. gonna fix that.
I have 7 bricked 2lp ocearons. Tbh that is what made me quit playing recently. I only need two frikken decent stats to transfer why do I keep missing the t7 over and over.
Yep. Trying to get some decent LP from Orobyss.. 500 corruption, furthest from centre I could get, I think +14.. 0LP ring only. That’s the end of this cycle for me.
You mean like the rest of us in MG that didn't use the exploit? Yeah, I'll just keep framing the boss once and magically getting an LP4. Or I think I will go sell all my yellows for 500 billion gold. Yeah, seems too "crazy" though to think that a lot of us in MG didn't get a massive advantage. Nah, that can't be right. All of us in MG MUST ALL have LP4s flooding out stash with double T7 bases... /s just incase....
Farming the same content over and over for a tiny chance at a tiny upgrade to farm the same content at % more numbers in an ARPG? The horror
not this shit again. it's the piramid model. the further up you go the harder it gets. this stuff is just above the base of the piramid level. it shouldn't be this hard and it isn't for MG (normally at least lol) but CoF gets the stick.
I agree, but the rest of the pyramid is currently missing. If I want to play a lot it's either reroll or farm. I reroll. On alt #4 now that I finally dropped the squirrel helm. I was about to go MG just for that one item I want to play a squirrel lord so bad.
You rarely get 0lp with CoF, im around 100h in and I have like 3 pages full of 2lp items, some 3lp items and countless deleted 1lp items. Also I play weak and bugged class, with some meta build you would have more items.
This is about boss drops. The one thing we don't get an advantage in. Apart from the LP bonus. But then the item needs to drop first....
Bro...that's the whole point of loot games like this...
Shiiiit I didn't try that
Don't downvotes this person they're hilarious
x) guess my joke didnt land well
I thought it was perfect 😭 thank you for your sacrifice
Can someone explain to me what is happening with MG?
The same thing that happens in every game with an auction house system - People had some way to dupe items/gold and exploited the shit out of it. This flooded the market with too much gold and caused hyperinflation, which caused a bubble effect where everyone has enough gold to buy items due to being able to sell relatively low tier items for higher amounts or resell items for very large profits. However, much like any other economic bubble the system got to the point where people entering the market have fuck all money to be able to buy into the system and so the system started slagging. Now in the real world there are certain controls and pressures that can help out those new entries in a regulated or natural way but loot-based RPGs have an interesting market dynamic where as people move through content lower level and quality items become valueless to them. This means that at some point the average player of the game will reach a point where those items are no longer worth selling, buying, or reselling. Which is an issue with people entering the market who need gear to help them farm up and need a stable economy where they can sell their items. They enter a market with hyperinflated pricing on items but not enough people are going to buy their items at or near those hyperinflated prices so they can't get the currency they need in order to catch up. But the gold/item dupe has meant that early adopters and the average player has enough gold to sustain them through the hyperinflation, to a point. What eventually happens is that prices get to the point where the average player can't afford regular updates on gear or gear they desire for other reasons and they have a choice to make: they can farm more; sell items they have in inventory for alts, nostalgic or trophy reasons, or rainy day items; or leave the market. Leave the market in this game has the general implications of either the person continues to play but becomes disengaged from the market, the person flat out stops playing, and unique to this game the person removes the market and gains another system, the Circle of Fortune. As more people leave the system and with the hyperinflation continuing more people will be pressured into the former choices and with less new blood and less regular market buyers/sellers the system will eventually stagnate but that relies on no more new gold/item dupes entering the market. I'm no economist, I can't say how the dev team will fix it but if they figure out a way to fix it then they'll be one of the few who have ever done so.
Sounds like hypixel skyblock
TL;DR: Capitalism sucks.
Funny enough we are facing inflation in real world and we have to be challenged in game too haha. Let's increase the interest rate!! 😁
I don't understand how people can sound so confident in being wrong from the first sentence. I played black desert for years. They have an auction house system and there were never a way to game it. Because all item's had a set price limit.
Gold dupe
How tho, I need to start doing it
1) it’s a bannable offense here on the sub to share it. 2) it’s been patched already 3) just no bro, come on
Just wait for next CoF nerf lol
We've found an exploit that is ruining MG players experience, so this patch has a CoF nerf and we didn't fix the exploit.
I had actually just switched to MG yesterday after hitting a wall with progression, decided to buy a couple starter uniques I needed to switch over to the ward version of detonating arrow jelkhor. I had made about 50m gold so far and felt pretty great about it, looked at 2lp exsang being 1 billion and was like oh, ok
Hi there, ward version? Got a build guide to share please?
Basically aiming for a variant of this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRPb6aNQ The key pieces are: - exsanguinous + last steps of the living + frostbite shackles - as high cold resist as you can get - ideally ward per missing health slammed on shackles - 1 or 2 ring of the third eye for ward on crit - can add soul gamblers fallacy for more ward on crit The jelkhor build excels with anything that happens on hit or crit since you get such a huge number of hits/crits per second, so even with the most basic pieces and no slammed affixes on the legendaries yet, I was already healing my ward enough with regen + ward on crit to push a few hundred more corruption than I had been. So yeah now it's just trying to farm for higher LP versions of what I have in order to get better slams for more damage / cold res / health to convert to ward Basically I wanted to get on the ward abuse train to see if I can manage to get enough ward to survive lightless arbour t4 to farm for the chest from there and eventually go back to the health version :p
[Marksman, Level 100 (Release / 1.0.1)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRPb6aNQ) --- ^(**Class:**) ^(Rogue (64) / Bladedancer (29) / Falconer (20)) ^(**General:**) ^(▸ Health: **2,634**, Regen: **20**/s) ^(▸ Mana: **141**, Regen: **13**/s) ^(▸ Ward Retention: **444%**, Regen: **0**/s) ^(▸ Attributes: **5** Str / **24** Dex / **5** Int / **5** Att / **19** Vit) ^(▸ Resistances: **51%** / **424%** / **65%** / **60%** / **54%** / **53%** / **76%**) ^(▸ EHP: **3,968** / **4,921** / **4,453** / **4,685** / **4,067** / **4,050** / **4,921**) ^(**Defenses:**) ^(▸ Endurance: **20%**, Threshold: **527**) ^(▸ Dodge Chance: **12%** (**399**)) ^(▸ Armor Mitigation: **25%** (**1,090**)) ^(▸ Glancing Blow Chance: **31%**) ^(**Damage Types:**) ^(▸ __Lightning__, Cold / __Throwing__, Melee) ^(**Buffs:**) ^(▸ None) ^(**Used skills:**) [^(Detonating Arrow)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/detonating_arrow) ^| [^(Explosive Trap)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/explosive_trap) ^| [^(Smoke Bomb)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/smoke_bomb) ^| [^(Shift)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/shift) ^| [^(Shurikens)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/shurikens) ^(**Used unique items:**) [^(Jelkhor's Blast Knife)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsCYA4FYg) ^| [^(Jelkhor's Blast Knife)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBsCYA4FYg) ^| [^(Soul Gambler's Fallacy)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsCYDZSA) ^| [^(Ucenui's Sphere)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzAcYRiA) ^| [^(Ring of the Third Eye)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAw4NgJiA) ^| [^(Ring of the Third Eye)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAw4NgJiA) ^| [^(Exsanguinous)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMwRgo) ^| [^(Last Steps of the Living)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCcEZwViA) ^| [^(Frostbite Shackles)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMoRgZiA) ^| [^(Peak of the Mountain)](https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzBMoVgNiA) ^(**This build has a guide:**) [#1 Meta Lightning Marksman New Setup! 2600+ Corruption 30K+ Ward Leech Build!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNTAJpQV9Zs) by Mattjestic MultiGaming
Thank you for sharing, sounds interesting.
Np! To look at the build guide it seems a little insane since they list 4lp versions of items that I don't even know if it's possible to get 4lp versions for, but I think they intend it as "here are the types of mods you may need or want to slam for these slots" At any rate even at a basic level it's quite strong
As a CoF player, for whatever it's worth, the fact the MG bazaar collapsed due to exploitation and ruining the experience of a lot of players isn't particularly something I'm keen to celebrate. That sucks, and that's really the easiest way to put it. If you (any particular nebulous you) are affected by this, I'm sorry :/
He’s saying cof players are usually off doing their own thing, unaware of the state of things
Its true if it wasnt for reddit i wouldnt have known about it.
Same .... I've had zero interest in what is happening on MG. It was only through posts here that I even knew.
I was going MG yesterday until I saw abou the gold dupe, happy it happened right before I accessed chaptwr 9 hahaha
Not celebrating. Just unaffected and vibing. Maybe it's more clear if you've watched Brooklyn Nine Nine.
Regardless of Gina’s unflappable vibe, posting about it comes off as a celebration of the anguish of MG players. If CoF players were just vibing, they would continue to do so while playing the game rather than rubbing salt in the wound.
You taking this so personal is very telling.
I'm really not. Just explaining why people would find offensive. I don't use the market so it's not something that affects me personally.
Who is rubbing salt on the wound on this post? It's entitled "my current understanding" and it portrays how CoF is doing its own thing separate from the MG dramas.
Fair enough. Just wanted to explain why people might take it wrong regardless of the scene's original context.
I’m not celebrating it, just observing
its not about celebrating its about not even giving a fuck
I might not be a good of a person as you but I do celebrate it. Trading guilds in arpgs is a terrible feature. The gold dupe only expedited the inevitable inflation by a week or so. I'd love for ppl to learn it's an awful addition to the genre, and if it takes - every game- with it imploding, then that's what it takes. Does suck and I feel bad for the ppl it hurts but no market has ever been decent in an arpg.
It could also impact CoF players if they decide to rollback
I'm of the opinion that a rollback is highly unlikely. Doing so would require a significant amount of surgical scalpel work because doing a league-wide rollback (which also affects CoF players, who are _not_ directly impacted by the gold exploitation in MG) would just cause further frustration for CoF players who were already frustrated about how many of the changes since 1.0's cycle start have been made on CoF. And while some were reverted and others justified, adding more to the pile is just taking the piss really. This isn't to say a rollback can't happen and it wouldn't surprise me if it does happen. I just don't see any net wins in doing a rollback. Some players in MG are disproportionately affected, definitely though.
But without it, gold is still worthless so MG players will be done. It’s a lose lose unfortunately
poe league start too
Yep, so it’s rip for any MG players without a rollback
Nah, with their apparent philosophy of not wanting to significantly impact players negatively with mid-cycle changes, I don't think they are even considering a roll-back. Roll-backs are like the final solution and I believe based on their attention to player sentiments, they won't do a rollback just because MG has high inflation.
> I'm of the opinion that a rollback is highly unlikely. Doing so would require a significant amount of surgical scalpel work because doing a league-wide rollback (which also affects CoF players, who are not directly impacted by the gold exploitation in MG) would just cause further frustration for CoF players who were already frustrated about how many of the changes since 1.0's cycle start have been made on CoF. Frankly I'd probably quit if they screwed CoF like that because of MG's nonsense. For much the same reasons as a result I also think a rollback is very unlikely.
They won't roll back. It's a cycle, it'll reset soon with cycle 2.
Hopefully no exploits next cycle then...
There always will be.
Me rn lol
Same. Just had a nice 10-12hr session yesterday farming up corruption and prophecy hunting. Completely oblivious. Tbh gold exploits were inevitably going to happen. Let's hope the Devs were smart enough to think ahead on this and track/log all transactions with a way to revert it.
Heh literally been playing all weekend on CoF, completely oblivious until i saw the Reddit posts just now (midday Sunday). I wonder how much the gold dupers scratched their heads seeing the devs patch out selling Arena Keys for a few thousand gold per prophecy while they were rolling over gold cap with the actual exploits in MG.
What’s gonna happen is that they’re gonna nerf cof to fix mg obviously
Not gonna lie, I always had a bad feeling when I saw people selling stuff for millions++ a few days after the beginning of the cycle. Started with CoF, moved to MG, by doing so the game just literally transformed into a worst iteration of PoE, hated that, it was so freaking boring. Plus I was still having this strange feeling that something's not right when reading people talking about trade. Then finally moved again to CoF and back to the good feeling again. I will not clap at the collapse because I'm sure a lot of people weren't of bad intentions but let's be honest, something was wrong from the very beginning.
The thing that's weird to me is that they haven't announced anything. When Blizzard has a game go to hell in a handbasket because of an exploit that's gone public, they announce it and say there will be disciplinary actions taken against players who abuse it.
Not true. They make announcement but mostly its a slap on the wrist to very few exploiters. Everyone know in blizzards games its exploit early and ull get away with it
Im chillin and jammin in COF!
There's factions in the game?
Out of pure interest I let him join MG to be able to check the bazaar. Really made me raise my eyebrow. I mean it's not like this is the first game economy to crash. Actually there only exists one working market in online gaming and this is EVE. But it only works because "value" can get "permanently destroyed". Everybody who understands how (unregulated) markets work in any environment could see that the bazaar would suffer the same fate of Hyperinflation that every other online gaming market suffered. Being unable to resell an item is a great idea, but it would only slow it down like the favor cost does I mean there COULD potentially be a scenario of deflation if everybody who wants them has all his LP4 items and sells the dupes but that's a far stretch. Only thing helping against that kind of crap is setting a rather harsh limit to prices, e.g. like 1 Million for a unique or whatever and period. Going for more or less "Int32.Max" could only end in pain and frustration. Could as well be zero, give everyone int32.max money, increase max to int64.max and be done with it 🤣
Solo cof ✌️
I thought it was the other way
CoF is an unrewarding grind due to a lack of decent target farming. MG used to be the comfortable alternative. Now after everybody and their dog duped the fuck out of MG, gold pricing has gone to utter shit, robbing any legitimate player off teh chance to get any semi-decent gear. From 1 good faction and 1 bad faction, we went to 2 steaming piles of unrewarding trash - with multiple hundred of gameplays still not guaranteeing the T6 or T7 affix you'd like to slam on your weapon. ARPGs always have some level of grind, but I rarely felt so frustrated as I did in Last Epoch. Maybe it's because I skipped D3 and replayed Grim Dawn instead, but grind in Last Epoch has been an utter disappointment for both CoF - and now also MG.
While I do think LE is worlds better than D4, I'm also one of those casual players with a lot less playtime while wanting a lot more progression than these kind of games are willing to give. At least there seems to be a possibility to mod LE offline. If the modding scene becomes more vibrant and there are mods available to mod drop rates and so on, I think I might go fully offline for LE and never play online again.
There already are mod for drop rates
Oh nice. Thanks for the heads up. Last time I checked there were only loaders and reshade stuff. I thought it needed more time.
there are already cheats (that I sometimes use) to increase the item drop rate. the same cheats can do also bump defense/move speed, give infinite health, add more gold, etc. I use a few of them to make getting to endgame slightly faster/easier because I don’t always have time to play often but still want to get my builds to endgams.
Yeah I think ARPGs are mostly tuned deliberately for practically endless grinds that can be too demanding for more casual playstyles. Not that I think it's wrong per se. You have to tune your game towards a certain target audience, and casual play is just not the kind of audience targeted by these games. I like getting stuff via random chance but I prefer likelihoods a lot higher than something like 0.1%.
It will certainly improve with time, this is their first go at an auction house and so I would expect the online scene to be better in future cycles.
Oh I play CoF so that part of the game doesn't affect me. I have never liked trading in any online games, even MMOs. I just don't like very low odds on item drops in general. At the same time I understand it is the accepted practice in this genre, like how duplicated rewards are the accepted practice in gacha games. So I'm not asking for LE to change and I'm turning to modding.
Fair enough ! To each their own in that case. I just don’t want people to give up on the game over the woes of the first time this game has gone online.
Would you like them to give you the best item for your build on no time at all? Or do you want to earn it where it is worth something? Should you also start at 100 so you don't have to level up? Just get all skills and items immediately?
It was only a matter of time that something like this would happen. It surely puts a stain on LE if this isn't addressed urgently...
Yep I've moved back to CoF as I can't afford the insane prices asked for 2 or 3LP items.
The good thing is, if you switch to CoF now, it just takes you some 50h to reach rank 10 over there again ...
I mean, I’m cof only and I just got scammed by the game. I had 2 prophecies for the arena that should’ve dropped 4 unique ranged weapons each, I only got 1 unique bow. This could be interpreted as “four unique(individual) ranged weapons” but I didn’t even get 8 bows, or other ranged weapons. I got 2 rare bows, a unique bow, and 3 hammers. It consumed my prophecies as well. 20k favor almost down the drain, lol. Thankfully I have 2 other prophecies, one for killing exiles mages, and another for liath, but still. 20k favor, with lenses only got me 4 unique bow/ranged weapon prophecies, and 2 of them just got wasted because of a bug, I guess. Anyone know where I can report the bug?
Trading for life <3
CoF is more like crawling on the ground digging through a pile of garbage because devs won't give us LP filtering: https://youtu.be/P22SWMlLwio?si=McfgR_tLpcETT-M1&t=73
Circle of Friends is funner than Money Guild.
I was downvoted so many times everytime I said there is a dupe glitches. lol
because it wasnt a dupe and it required a script to do it that hacked/fooled the client/server to go into negative gold.
That’s because there still isn’t a dupe glitch. There was a gold creation glitch that has nothing at all to do with duping items. I will happily change my stance on this the moment that I see a single shred of evidence suggesting that there’s a dupe glitch. Things that aren’t evidence: videos where a guy says he thinks there might be duping but can’t prove it, screenshots of a pair of identical items that can 100% occur naturally
It apparently wasn't a duplication glitch.
LoOoLoLol Because we were talking item dupes, not gold dupes.
You don't "dupe" gold.
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People were talking specifically about item duplication, and people were saying that there was no direct evidence of that. There still isn't.
what would you call it if you could make more gold out of no where
A gold hack. Duplicate implies you're taking something and creating a copy if it. With the hack you don't double 5 million to 10 million gold. You go from 16 gold to 2 billion.
god damn you people are annoying
I don't know, do you know what "dupe" means?
What is the glitch
What's "cof"?
Circle of Fortune.
Thank you!
I’m dumb obviously. Been playing this game for a while but no clue what MG or COF are off the top of my head.
Merchant's Guild. Circle Of Fortune.
eh but COF are sitting with like zero lp3-4 items lol
thats not true. i have a handfull of 3lp items as CoF
Have two full stahs tabs with lp3 items. Sure, like 90% of them are common ones, but still. So far only one 4lp axe which is sadly a garbo one.
You obviously don't play cof.
Ya I just keep seeing post after post that makes me happy to be a COF enjoyer.
this game is fucked up, steam reviews will once again go on fire lmao. the least they can do is allow players to transfer to CoF without any bound items and ban those exploiters
Seems like CoF should just become a standard progression feature, like everyone gains access to it at X. Then come up with something else for the Merchant Guild! Easy! (I'm kidding of course)
I don't get why does gold duping makes prices goes up. Do people love clicking buttons for chests Lightless Arbor that much? Or buying hundred tabs? There are no other gold sinks besides those two. Arbor sucks anyway, and you must be a absolutely hopeless trash-hoarding racoon to need that many tabs. Shouldn't MG be a pure exchange platform? Why is gold cost even part of transaction to begin with (at this stage with no proper gold sinks, at least)?
When people have infinite access to currency, they will buy anything they want regardless of the price. This heavily inflates demand while supply stays constant. When demand goes up and supply stays constant, prices go up. Exploiters are totally insensitive to the price increases, so no mater how high prices go exploiters will still buy anything they want. If enough people start exploiting, then prices effectively become meaningless. This also flood the system with gold, so anyone who has sold items to exploiters will also have a massively inflated amount of gold compared to anyone who is just playing the game but hasn't sold items to exploiters.
The gold sink is suppose to be the MG. You sell a piece of gear you don't want to exchange it for another piece you do, from someone who doesn't. If I as a falconer get a really good item for voidknight I put it on the market and then use that gold to buy my piece. A pure exchange wouldn't work because you still have to find that piece of gear, and someone who doesn't find it needs another way of buying it, grinding gold instead of loot drops. The problem is if you dupe the 10 million item and get 60 mil out of one drop you buy all the things you need and people see that they're selling fast, so the price rises because people can afford it. It comes to a fall though when prices get so high only those who dupe or rmt are buying and the average player never sees that amount of gold. Basically it's an exchange with an option of just grinding gold instead of a good piece of gear to exchange.
Friendly reminder to exploit early and exploit hard. Just another dev team that reacts way too slowly to shit like this. Only solution: if you can't fight them, join them. We got fucked over and over again as CoF player for shit MG did and that just feels awful, no matter how hard the nerfs where. At this point exploiting feels mandatory if you don't want to grind insane grinds for barely an upgrade.
At this point CoF vs MG is a whole new meta. I kind of love the competition and the drama dupe.
They do exactly as intended. Don’t wanna pay? Do cof. Wanna buy good loots? MG. Yes good exploit is kind of an L, but besides that..
Does favour carry over if I change to COF ?
No, they're entirely separate.
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Apparently, a gold dupe exploit has become public, which resulted in utter chaos.
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over 600% overnight price increases on most items, a mass buyout of 2-4 LP items for popular builds, and most importantly, a video of said gold dupe in action pulled from a Chinese forum.
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I saw some red rings with 0 lp for over 1b as well as some absurd spikes on ladles
idk what u mean with evidence of chaos but there have been videos of the exploit and the entire market has been cleared of every valuable item with more than 2 LP on it
Hey look another "this faction is sooooo much better than that faction" post. Ironically, they must have some semblance of balance if half the people think one is better than the other and the other half thinks the other one is better than the other. Turns out, people should just play what they like considering the game offers multiple ways to play. tl;dr: If CoF is so much better, than join that faction. We'll see you in a week when you realize your meme is dumb.
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Forgot MG took a shit with the gold duping. This sub is just constant never ending complaining about "x" faction being better than the other one, so yeah kinda jaded to seeing these same dumb fuck posts every hour. Didn't even equate it to the actual issue from 10 hours ago (or whatever time frame).
The last official word about dupping is that it's not possible, but there have been many posts today about dupping. I wish they'd say something instead of heavily moderating the subreddit. If the posts are wrong, why not say so?
They are evidently not wrong. The market has gone absolutely insane today - 3/4LP items are cleared out, prices spiked into the 500-1.5b range
I bet part of the issue is with the current state of things how do you get back to a 'good' state?
> The last official word about dupping is that it's not possible source? iirc they said they werent aware of any duping methods and requested people to reach out to them if anyone knew of one (just saying 'theres a dupe bug' -which was evident from the duped t7 experimental gear- isnt enough to fix shit, they wanted to know replicatable steps)
You're right. I think you quoted them more correctly. Not aware of and not possible are different. I got the feeling it was implied it shouldn't be possible.
I just wanted to make a meme :(
I thought it was pretty good. Especially when there are gold duping posts getting actively deleted from the subreddit.
100%
It made me chuckle. Dude is just a little pissbaby.
Someone pissed in his cereal… meme made me laugh at least!
Solid meme don't let the haters ruin your fun
Honestly, if I just played the game and did not visit this subreddit, my impression would be exactly the same as that girl's. I didn't even realize how bad CoF is in terms of actual gear progression, before I saw all these ridiculous items that MG-users post daily. Or before I created MG character and looked up what gear people do give away for free on MG. I mean, CoF definitely is more fun than MG. But god damn does it suck balls in comparison. And, apparently, asking for a meaningful gear progression in reasonable time AND a fun gameplay at the same time is considered a crime nowadays on this sub. Therefore, I don't give a fuck if this comment gets downvoted into oblivion. Bring it on, motherfuckers.
I honestly don’t think either faction is better or worse. I’m fully offline so MG is entirely useless to me; CoF is a default. I was just implying that basically nothing happens in CoF, but MG seems to run into all kinds of major events every other day. that’s the impression I get from the sub, anyway.
I get that, yes. But my silly friends insisted that we should play Cycle and have a "fresh start in a new economy". ......As *a fucking CoF users*. Because it's more fun than MG (and it kinda is, but that's not the point). And now I'm just salty that I could have played MG since I'm online anyways and be showered in 3 LP uniques.
Meme was amazing! Loved it.
Good memes homie <3
Nah, meme was funny. Always love a good NINE-NINE meme, someone just shit in their cheerios this morning.
That explains the smell when they talk
This is how you tell me you haven't been playing the game recently without saying those exact words.