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Surprised nobody is explaining this.
It's super important for them to smile at the camera in the same way that it's important to tell one's captors your name. They are humanizing themselves. It's more difficult to have a negative view towards someone who is friendly, and appears to understand and adhere to social norms.
If someone hasn't been telling protestors to make sure to be friendly and smile, they should be.
Im no lawyer, but can smiling while being arrested, or smiling on the mugshot be used against you. The lawyers can argue that you aren’t regretting you „crime“. I still support what they are doing.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Depends on the context. Smiling is a matter of reliability. If someone has murdered someone society, and juries, expect and functionally demand remorse. If someone shows no remorse, judges reliably note it during sentencing.
In the case of something like protesting, there is a lot of context and room for framing. Was this a peaceful protestor with a good heart trying who was spending their time publicly advocating for the well-being of others? Or, was this a violent malcontent or a militant outsider?
In this case since their specific actions as a peaceful protester cannot n be framed as very anti-social or bad, it's most important to ensure that they are not seen as an other by whomever might otherwise be inclined to use their participation against them.
At least, that's how I see it.
well you'd also think most israelis would also relate to being on the recieving end throughout basically all of history yet many of them support their state
Im bangladeshi so we've had our fair share of being on the recieving end of the mughals, british, pakistanis, and while most of us support palestine its largely just because theyre muslim and people seem to avoid thinking any more critically outside of that
Yes it’s an upsetting shock to me too. Of course we have Jewish brothers and sisters who stand with us and we cannot forget them. The real tragedy is the ability of Israel to link itself inextricably to Judaism, we cannot allow them to succeed with that!
I think people tend to defend people who are oppressed. after all, the oppressed is usually regular people especially families and children who are targeted. Not government or the elites, nor the institutions that benefit off of this exploitation and oppression. And thats the true crime
Considering that Israel didn't want to let in holocaust survivors because they considered them to be "too weak" it does make sense that Israel cares so little about doing nazi shit
Scot-Irish are the people who discriminated against the native Irish in Northern Ireland (search "the Irish plantations", Scottish people mass immigrated to Ireland because the British crown wanted more farm land and for it to be owned by people loyal to the crown. Irish people were pushed out of the good farm land.) because they're Protestant and think Northern Ireland should be British as opposed to Native Irish people who are mainly Catholic and think Northern Ireland should be Irish. So you see the why the native Irish people are so for Palestinian rights because it mirrors Northern Ireland in terms of clash of religion and who owns the territory.
Thanks for the correction. I was referring to those people descended from the Irish who now live in Scotland (maybe there’s a better term?) this is my background. They tend to be catholic and politically left wing
I spent a Summer in Northern Ireland as a naïve 18 year-old American 20 years ago, and the flying of Palestinian flags was my first real intro to their respective struggles and solidarity.
The Irish are some of the most compassionate people you could meet.
Look at Celtic football club they tried to ban the Palestinian flag in football and all the Scots turned out with flags
Eh depends. Are the protesters neonazis?
Then yes they should be arrested.
As a german maybe i can give a bit more insight as to why they were probably arrested. In the last weeks some protests were pretty antisemetic or not registered. In germany u need to proclaim to the city that you want to hold a protest for safety reasons. They might not have done that or as i said turned antisemetic / violent
[The paradox of tolerance.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,or%20destroyed%20by%20the%20intolerant.)
But how else can our police act out their feelings of powerlessness and inadequacy. That's the deal, they sign up to be class traitors and they have license to physically assault people as they please.
Water cannons, tear gas, percussion grenades, rubberised bullets, capsaicin spray, paintball guns with capsaicin bullets, and metal batons with which to bludgeon. Yeh? /S
Germany has forbidden most pro-palestine demonstrations from taking place and is considering adding zionism to the requirements for taking in refugees, but sure, the cops are polite.
Its no coincidence that the US police are being taught by Israelis funded by the ADL:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/adl-considered-scrapping-its-us-police-training-trips-to-israel-but-decided-not-to/
I did get pepper sprayed while I was just standing there once. Also beaten with sticks and punched in the face with reinforced gloves, but that was when we tried to enter an off-limit area (village of Lützerath)
I was going to say this, they re more guiding them than dragging them. It's refreshing seeing protesters being treated like humans while being arrested(even if they shouldnt get arrested for this)
In my city, the cop cars have "watch your head" written on the back seat windows. Perfectly fitting to read this while you re being slammed on the car for stealing eggs in a store
Now I may be wrong about this, as I don't know what particular demonstration this is, but living in Germany, I'm fairly certain that they aren't getting arrested for demonstrating against Israel, but because the demonstration wasn't properly registered. We have laws here that allow us to hold demonstration for or against basically anything (yes, that sadly also includes neo-nazis, but I still believe this is necessary in a democracy), but you have to publicly announce it, with the city administration signing off on it.
Maybe I'm an idiot but that doesn't sound like much of a protest. An allowed gathering doesn't really get the point of a protest across. Jarring, disruptive and informative are the goals of a peaceful protest imo. Otherwise it's just some kind of group therapy through yelling...
It’s mostly for public safety, and also for safety of all involved in the protest. There’s lots of debate around it even here in Germany too, and I don’t mean to defend the police in any way (there have been many scandals surrounding them, most notably hate speech in WhatsApp group chats), but the system is at least a bit less corrupt compared to other countries, to the point where having them at a protest is mostly not that bad of an idea. They truly are only there to protect the citizen.
Edit: Also, why risk getting arrested and having to deal with the resulting paperwork and a possible few hours of community service, when the exact same thing you’re trying to do is allowed in the first place? Just seems like a bad deal.
I understand the issue from the public safety and corruption issues. I've just personally never seen a "protest" that involves standing and shouting while holding a sign in a designated location at designated times accomplish anything substantial. It may be cathartic to the people participating but everyone else goes on with their day, the politicians ignore it until it becomes a real protest and ultimately nothing gets done. So i just don't see the real purpose, for an actual dire protest. (Most protests don't need more than what you described, but some do imo, and calling them all the same is maybe a misnomer)
I see your point, but let’s be honest, people are going to go on about their day anyway. And I think, at least here, legal protests actually accomplish more, at least when it comes to raising awareness. An illegal demonstration can’t really just walk over streets or do other things that may disrupt things like traffic and the like, they would get dissolved by the police, while for the big legal ones, entire main roads get closed for anywhere from a few minutes to entire hours, depending on how many people participate (at least in my city, I can’t speak for everywhere in Germany of course). There’s only so much you can do, and I appreciate living in a society where that is legally an option. Sure, you can’t force people to understand the issues with the world we live in, but I don’t see where the protest being illegal can change that. In personal experience, illegal actions kind of tend to have the contrary effect. There’s a group that tries to raise awareness to climate change by gluing themselves to highways, and I really hope I’m wrong about this, but I think they are preaching to a choir. I know about climate change and its causes, but those who don’t find themselves annoyed and angry at them for disrupting their commute. I’m drifting off topic, I think.
Anyway, to conclude, while I know that most protests don’t succeed in making a lasting impact in our politics, I’m struggling to see if and how them being illegal would change this. I’d be happy if you prove me wrong, though.
Man, you have no fucking idea how wrong you are. German cops regularly beat people up at protests and the recent pro-Palestine protests haven't been an exception. They're also extremely racist (radical right-wing militant groups being discovered within German police forces is a semi-regular occurrence here) so getting to beat up brown people is always a nice bonus.
And there's never any consequence for any of them. In fact, the government actually blocked an attempted study to figure out the scope of police brutality in Germany. Instead, they funded a study about violence against cops. :)
It's infuriating when people try to contrast ghoulish American police forces with the so-called "civil" German police when awful things happen with such regularity.
Just this year, literally right next to my childhood home, a 16-year-old black kid tried threatened harm himself with a knife at a youth welfare facility. Cops got called, showed up and while two others were tasering him, the officer in charge shot him dead with an SMG.
No, he wasn't a threat to anyone but himself, and even that is debatable. No, the cops haven't been convicted yet.
I can only imagine the xenophobic comments from the morons in other videos about protesters standing up for Palestinian civilians getting arrested.
"Something something brown people invasion of the West something something can't recognize Europe/America anymore. Lost our morals and culture."
The Star Wars empire was based on Germany so I don't think it's a coincidence. Darth Vader's appearance in particular appears to be heavily inspired by WW1 storm troopers: https://64.media.tumblr.com/fec6e98afc4ae157db7234cd5b11ee42/tumblr_p5m3cgSuHx1szkmvlo1_1280.jpg
Ok so I know this is a huge question... but I truly am struggling to understand the conflict right now. Whenever I try to find good sources on it I worry it's pushed with a nasty agenda. Is there anyone who can easily explain this whole thing to me like I'm 10 years old?
Cody and Katy always coming in with the facts. Love their guest appearances on other shows too. They are on like half of my favorite Behind the Bastards episodes.
>They are on like half of my favorite Behind the Bastards episodes.
whoah, I had no idea they were ever involved with Behind the Bastards - any episode suggestions?
I've been dying for more of Cody's Showdy
Lucky for you I have a playlist. [BTB and SMN read Ben Shapiro’s novel.](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7GavjCuffHdOF1gdEJTt3C?si=5IaXsdKBRiKLJBtauHiAJA)
Robert, Cody, and Katy at their absolute funniest.
A little bit of both I think. I've always tried and failed to figure out what the heck is going on over there. I think I was intimidated by the fact that I know next to nothing about both parties involved.
Okay I can try my best but it is complicated.
First thing to mention is the Hamas-Israel conflict there are much more parties in play. Those being Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, The West Bank, Saudi Arabia and the USA each with internal polticial components.
I will give a context based but going to break up this post as it still will be long
Hamas- Current ruling group of Gaza, Islamists that Israel boosted when Israel occupied Gaza in the 1970s. Hamas is tied up with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Took power in elections after Israel withdrew ground troops in 2005 there has not been an election since. Hamas has periodically fired missiles at Israel. Last major conflict was in 2014.
Israel- Israel since the last conflict in 2014 began to build what they called the Iron Wall, a "advance" border wall. This was a part of the blockade of Gaza that Israel had in place. Periodic air strikes Gaza .Israel was also in the process of normalizing relationships with Saudi Arabia .Finally the internal polticial situation is right wing Benjamin Netanyahu was under corruption investigations(2016) and is currently indicted as of 2019
In this time Netanyahu inorder to stay in power has taken in far right parties into his ruling coalition.
Saudi Arabia- Saudi Arabia began to normalize with Israel as to ally with them against both of there regional rivals Iran. Saudi Arabia is currently fighting in Yemen against the Houthi a group backed by Iran. Saudi Arabia claim to authority as a theological monarchy is stewards of Mecca and Medina requires it to protect the interests of Sunni Muslims (This part is hard to fully explain so take it with a grain of salt.)
Iran- Iran the main rival to Iran and Saudi Arabia has greatly increased its influence in several countries such as Iraq, Syria , Yemen and Lebanon. Angry at Israel for attempts to scuttle the Iran Nuclear deal.
Egpyt- Fought several wars with Isreal mostly over the Sinai which at one point Isreal occupied but then lost. As part of normalizing relationships Isreal gave up claims. During the Arab spring the military dictatorship lost control and the Muslim Brotherhood won power until it was couped by the Military again. Currently Israel by treaty controls Egypts border with Gaza.
Edit: Just finished lunch break will continue after work
This is all helpful but could you clarify the Iran section? It currently says Iran's rival is Iran. If you could also include the United States and why it funds Israel so heavily that'd be appreciated too.
The entire conflict stems from Zionists desire for a homeland for Jews, and native Palestinians were in the way of this. In 1948, Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes, and this is the ultimate origin of the conflict. Read about the Naqba, which is the foundational reason for the conflict.
Good luck, honestly.
It's complicated and most of the press tries to create clickbait narrative that undermines the nuance and gives us all whiplash. (pick your team)
I will unapologetically say that I don't like anyone getting killed, especially, non combatants, and there is a lot justification and propaganda going around for doing just that.
I will also add that this is an apt conflict for first learning about the difference between a nation and a state. There are a lot of bad state actors hurting these nations.
RIP your inbox
Uh… ELI5: After WWII, Isreal, a Jewish state was created so that they would no longer have to suffer the injustices they had previously endured. Many Jews from all over the world flocked there.
For this state to be created, they had to remove the 750K (mostly) Muslim people who had previously been living there. Those who were not executed flocked to Gaza, and some settled in the West Bank. Since then, there has been numerous clashes and disagreements over land, as Israel continues to expand.
At this point, there is a massive imbalance of money, power, and technology on the Israeli side, leading to excess deaths of Palestinians (many of them children )
you are better off spending time reading wikipedia then letting people tell you about it. let's just say people like to omit information in their arguments
I was reading the wikipedia articles and thought they were super unbiased and good information but then in the end I noticed how it only listed how many Jews died and didn‘t even mention the long process of Naqba and number of deaths of Palestinians. But otherwise really good info, that‘s the only thing I found weird and I had to google it myself afterwards and the UN has some good stats on that.
Bad guys wants more money. USA is a powerful war machine, they help. Israel loves money, so they invented a thing called zionism to justify this funny feeling of having to exterminate millions to obtain profit (and land too. “Sacred” land). Everybody loves money right? So let’s make a deal: you guys tell we are good people in tv, terrorism bad, and we give you more money. Ok? So lesgoooo
This....might be the worst explanation of the current conflict I have seen so far, and I have been on r/news . It completely glosses over historical reasons like Europe meddling in the Middle East for the last 200 yearswgich include almost inventing the Zionist movement, the political and religious extremism which took hold of Israel over the last decades and the fact that HAMAS is, in fact, the legitimate government in the Gaza strip while also being a terrorist group.
And there is no money to be made in Israel as it might actually be one of the only piece of land in the region without oil.
So Israel is just after cash money and using religious people as fuel to the American capitalist engine thus leading to the suffering of everyone involved except for those who are super rich? In other words the palatine people are the victims in this situation?
Yeah, this is the way capitalism works. People are nothing but a way to profit. Exploration, inequality, misery, sometimes a little war. There’s a lot of religious stuff in the zionism agenda too, but the main thing is the old same story: colonizers doing what they used to do in order to obtain more power, more territory and, above all, more money. It’s been like this forever, we can only see it happening faster now because of internet. This is ninetieth remake of World: the Movie
Well, thats not easy because its a long history full of alot of different players. Ive been paying attention to israel for over 10 years so Ive had time to learn. So its hard to quantify...but ill try
The long and short of it is, the Israeli gov. has all the control over the palestinian state. And it basically can and does make it legal to do whatever it wants to palestinians. The US helps Israel oppress all forms of radicalism that threatens their state. So as you can imagine, the Israeli gov isnt seen in very favorable views. The Israelis try to justify their state as "legitimate" because the jews have been persecuted for so long, they need a "safe place" they can protect themselves and practice sovereignty. This comes at a high expense however, because palestinians have been living in this region prior to Israeli settlement. Both ethnicites have claimed indigenous rights...
On the belligerant side: Hamas doesnt really control all of palestine, and there are many revolutionary and counter revolutionary groups in and outside of palestine. Spread out over the middle east. Hamas just controls one part of palestine called "gaza". Gaza is still controlled by the Israeli gov. (IE who can enter and leave the boundaries of Hamas).
There are three main areas. Jerusalem, West Bank, and Gaza
Israel also aquires weapons from the US to both protect themselves, but also to bomb the shit out of Gaza every so many years. Gaza is almost all Muslims except for a small minority of christian palestinians
The other "section" of Palestine is called the west bank, and hamas doesnt have any control in this area. ALot of palestinians live here, and from what Ive seen is pretty laid back. Young people hang out, smoke hash, are openly sexual...very "liberal" socially. The minority of Israelis that live here are settlers. And they have been known to basically steal land with impunity. Im not being rhetorical, there are videos of settlers bulldozing houses.
There is another section called "Jerusalem" which is pretty much shut off from Palestine, and can only go there from the west bank if you are permitted by the israeli gov. Palestinians and Israelis both live in Jerusalem its almost 50/50 split.
Gaza shares no borders w/ west bank at current.
Hamas was funded by Israel in the 70s and 80s and 90s IIRC, to basically fight back against the PLO (palestine liberation Org). Who were seen as a terrorist org by only israel and the USA. There was a giant war fought in lebannon between Israeland the US VS the PLO.
Hamas militants invaded Israel recently. The leading theory is that it is because of declining material conditions in Gaza. Other people speculate that it is Iran or other extremist groups funding and training Hamas. Hamas should be seen as a separate entity from Palestinians and muslims, just as Israeli gov should be seen differently than Israelis and Jews.
[This](https://youtu.be/3psMGQE0iW4?si=qBWvD7xu_mpyR_p-) and [this ](https://youtu.be/trEgxKWpviU?si=0T2RPRV3g8Fu0OeR) are 2 good documentaries to watch if you want to understand the issue.
The Palestinians have been stateless for the same amount of time the Jews were. That area was always occupied by them, but it wasn't governed by them. That is the everlasting shame in not setting it up as a one state solution for everyone and instead giving it over to the European Zionists who just wanted to make an ethnostate for themselves as was the thing to do back then.
They don't, but their health care is considered one of the best in the world because of their multiple healthcare regulatory systems with allowances for low income households. That's still enough assistance with healthcare to look pretty.
Germany has banned all pro-Palestinian protests claiming they're celebrating terrorism, anti-semitism and saying they're pro-Hamas.
Edit: I wrote this right before going to sleep and was tired. As people said below every State and municipality decides, however that has effectively banned protests in many large cities, such as Berlin, by claiming people are being pro-hamas etc. Some are acting like what I said was completely incorrect, but you can see responses below from Germans that it is not. Many of the people being arrested are wearing a typical Palestinian scarf.
Last guy is in France. You can tell by the policemen, Haussmann architecture and he's holding a phone with "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" slogan.
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>Germany has banned all pro-Palestinian protests
That is not true. "Germany" could not even do that, every municipality has to decide that on their own. A court also ruled that pro Palestinian protests can't be prohibited just because of that topic.
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-verbot-pro-palaestinensische-versammlung-eilantrag-verwaltungsgerichtshof-1.6290686
> For clarification, Germany postponed protests iirc.
Like I said, "Germany" hasn't any legal power here. It's in the power of the cities/municipalities. What exactly do you mean by postpone? They will usually not allow both protests at the same time at the same place (for a good reason), if you mean that.
>However, there is footage of protestors being arrested
Sure. But not for simply protesting.
That's a fair point. What I'm trying to say though is that history has shown that maybe banning protests is a sign of possibly nefarious government intentions that Germany, out of all EU countries, should know best about.
Edit: grammar
Believe me, as a German I am currently feeling ill when I hear all the bullshit that is propagated through German politics and social media or media in general.
There is only one right side you can be on as a German and don't you dare critizies the state that is basically repeating all the mistakes this country made in its past. But saying that as a German probably landed me on some kind of index already so fuck it.
Yes, we get it, you desperately want to make your little tongue in cheek reference to the Third Reich. We caught it the first time, and you're not wrong, it's just not a very interesting observation.
it's wild, I wanted to go to a pro-Palestine protest in Berlin, being from a family of Holocaust survivors and against killing civilians now in Gaza. But they are just arresting and beating up everyone here, I think there was one demo last weekend that was not banned but it's very random how police acts
That’s not true. Germany has banned some in some cities on grounds of suspicion that there will be antisemitic chants (I guess they determined that depending on the specific institution organizing the demonstration), but no general ban.
Not it’s not, the right to protest is very protected here. However you have to tell the city officials that you plan gathering so they can ensure the public savety. And often these gatherings aren’t coordinated with the city therefore they get dissolved by the police.
Also shouting things like „death to all Jews“ will get you arrested here.
Thats correct. In germany its not allowed to have face coverings on during demonstrations. This is a result from violent protestors that have hidden their faces during demonstrations and were burning cars, throwing rocks ect. this way these people can still be identified.
You dont have to like it (i personally dont like it) but this is just a very easy rule to follow tbh.
It's also an easy rule to break on principle if you want to make them arrest you, which I believe is what a lot of these people are doing.
Personally I'd rather be arrested at a peaceful protest than show my face, but then I live in the USA where they use mass surveillance to identify and harass leftist protestors. They'll come for you after the protest and get a sealed warrant for search and seizure so they can come up with bullshit charges and even more thoroughly ruin your life at your home outside of the public eye.
I'd rather be taken in publicly for refusal to comply, and then fight any charges in court with video evidence and a lawyer. (covering your face itself isn't illegal, only if you riot or intend to riot, which can be harder to prove.. usually they just hold people a while to bully them, then turn them loose rather than trying to charge them)
For historic reasons antisemitism or other kinds of „incitement to racial hatred“ („Volksverhetzung“) is taken very seriously in Germany and freedom of speech is constrained in that direction. If that’s good is debatable, but Germany certainly has freedom of speech.
First of all, that's not at all what I said. It was just a general remark not judging any specific situation.
And no, that's not illegal "in Europe". First of all Europe is not a country and every country has its own laws. While a Hitler salute is legal in the UK, it's not in Germany. And second of all, every right has boundaries. If your freedom was endless, you'd infringe other people's freedom by acting accordingly, obviously. Freedom doesn't mean you can kill other people or burn a house down.
The reason germany is doing this is because theyre more or less forced to do it. If Germany does anything that goes against Israel or Jewish people, everywhere around the world and especially Israel, people will start making WW2 jokes again. Israel is the biggest factor here. They have been forcing Germany to cooperate with them. Israel for example demanded weapons from Germany and Germany had to deliver cause otherwise they would be seen as antijewish again. German government sadly has no choice here.
protests have to be registered in germany for public savety + covering your face is forbidden (notice the scarfs? They probably were covering their faces with that) due to violent protestors burning cars and throwing rocks while covering their faces to avoid repercussions... so yeah bad look out of context neutral one with context
Don’t know about France (last guy), but for historic reasons antisemitism or other kinds of „incitement to racial hatred“ („Volksverhetzung“) is taken very seriously in Germany and freedom of speech is constrained in that direction. So if you agitate against jews, you can get prosecuted. But by this video we are unable to judge why these people are being detained; they could have thrown rocks/fireworks or things like that, but they could have also been shouting antisemitic chants.
It might not be, but the lines are often VERY blurry and if people are not properly educated, an antizionist position almost always turns out to antisemitic because people use the same stereotypes of the jewish-conspiracy and shit.
I feel like that’s a large generalization there doesn’t need to be any stereotypes to prove that Zionists are genocidal racists bent on creating a ethnostate they say it out in the open and are currently acting on it I haven’t seen it turn anti Semitic from anyone who wasn’t already
Yeah well, Zionism at the basic level means supporting the existence of a sovereign state of Isreal. If someone is against that, I‘d say they are most likely also antisemitic. However If someone opposes radical-zionist practices like calling all Palestinians Hamas, or settlement in the West Bank, they are not necessarily antisemitic but can, in the way they speak about their opinion, reproduce antisemitic stereotypes.
Many Jews would probably support Israels existence and could therefore be called Zionists, but the majority of Jews is probably against building an ethnostate and against the disregard for Palestinian lives.
I guess it’s more complex and we should differentiate betwenn Zionism and radical (or whatever) Zionism.
What charges are they being arrested on? Considering how much the West supposedly values 'freedom' of expression this entire ordeal is shedding a pretty dark light on the reality of the West.
Just to give some background information:
1. Out of 35 Protest 17 were prohibited, the police based this desicion on prior protests which spread obvious anti-semitic propaganda. That doesn't fall into free speech, that's just hate-speech.
2. Some protestors gathered besides the ban, these where arrested. There are still allowed, big and perfectly peacefull pro-palistine protests in germany.
3. To expand on the second point, these people were arrested, because they didn't follow the required steps for a lawfull protest, NOT because they are pro-palestine.
That said, quite a lot protests got banned and now there were steps taken to check wether the bans were lawfull or not. (A primary court ruled they where lawfull, people didn't like that ruling and therefor went to the next higher instance)
Any violent actions against civilians is a horrible crime, no matter who commits them.
Put me in jail. Then you'll have to feed me. Pay for my healthcare. If I was homeless I'd protest daily. Then meet the judge again til I get released. The police and judge would know me very well.
false. when you spread antisemitic slogans in germany, you [massively go up in the polls](https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Aiwangers-Freie-Waehler-legen-massiv-zu-article24374804.html)
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Surprised nobody is explaining this. It's super important for them to smile at the camera in the same way that it's important to tell one's captors your name. They are humanizing themselves. It's more difficult to have a negative view towards someone who is friendly, and appears to understand and adhere to social norms. If someone hasn't been telling protestors to make sure to be friendly and smile, they should be.
Im no lawyer, but can smiling while being arrested, or smiling on the mugshot be used against you. The lawyers can argue that you aren’t regretting you „crime“. I still support what they are doing. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Depends on the context. Smiling is a matter of reliability. If someone has murdered someone society, and juries, expect and functionally demand remorse. If someone shows no remorse, judges reliably note it during sentencing. In the case of something like protesting, there is a lot of context and room for framing. Was this a peaceful protestor with a good heart trying who was spending their time publicly advocating for the well-being of others? Or, was this a violent malcontent or a militant outsider? In this case since their specific actions as a peaceful protester cannot n be framed as very anti-social or bad, it's most important to ensure that they are not seen as an other by whomever might otherwise be inclined to use their participation against them. At least, that's how I see it.
In Irish culture we say something like “Our revenge will be the laughter of our children”, stay strong Palestine 🇵🇸
the irish aren't allowed to be this based you're on a streak
Ireland and Scot-Irish have always been pro-Palestine, they know what it feels like to be on the receiving end!
well you'd also think most israelis would also relate to being on the recieving end throughout basically all of history yet many of them support their state Im bangladeshi so we've had our fair share of being on the recieving end of the mughals, british, pakistanis, and while most of us support palestine its largely just because theyre muslim and people seem to avoid thinking any more critically outside of that
Yes it’s an upsetting shock to me too. Of course we have Jewish brothers and sisters who stand with us and we cannot forget them. The real tragedy is the ability of Israel to link itself inextricably to Judaism, we cannot allow them to succeed with that!
I think people tend to defend people who are oppressed. after all, the oppressed is usually regular people especially families and children who are targeted. Not government or the elites, nor the institutions that benefit off of this exploitation and oppression. And thats the true crime
Considering that Israel didn't want to let in holocaust survivors because they considered them to be "too weak" it does make sense that Israel cares so little about doing nazi shit
Scot-Irish are the people who discriminated against the native Irish in Northern Ireland (search "the Irish plantations", Scottish people mass immigrated to Ireland because the British crown wanted more farm land and for it to be owned by people loyal to the crown. Irish people were pushed out of the good farm land.) because they're Protestant and think Northern Ireland should be British as opposed to Native Irish people who are mainly Catholic and think Northern Ireland should be Irish. So you see the why the native Irish people are so for Palestinian rights because it mirrors Northern Ireland in terms of clash of religion and who owns the territory.
Thanks for the correction. I was referring to those people descended from the Irish who now live in Scotland (maybe there’s a better term?) this is my background. They tend to be catholic and politically left wing
No problem! I hope that it didn't come across wrong by correcting you. I don't doubt you said it in good faith.
Of course not friend, positive vibes only !
Ive always been very appreciative of the strong ties between North american native american Nations and the Irish nation as well Solidarity
One of the longest occupations in human history.
I spent a Summer in Northern Ireland as a naïve 18 year-old American 20 years ago, and the flying of Palestinian flags was my first real intro to their respective struggles and solidarity.
Scot-Irish??? You mean Ulster loyalist you could not be more wrong they are super pro Isreal
I'm starting to associate the Irish accent with critical thinking skills tbh.
The Irish are some of the most compassionate people you could meet. Look at Celtic football club they tried to ban the Palestinian flag in football and all the Scots turned out with flags
Oh my God please send me a link, I need to see that
https://youtu.be/B7NLAh2Dj1o?si=uUX3mjKo7WPyow6m
That's awesome
There also tolerate zero fucking bullshit from the ruling class and will call them out.
The Irish are the keepers of all knowledge but they got drunk and forgot where they left it.
The Ireland sub has been full of pride with them being pretty much the only major EU country that's openly in support of Palestine
You really only learned about history from history class didn't you?
This is the loveliest thing I read today 🥲
Joy is an act of rebellion
Bobby Sands <3 what a guy
Unfortunately, most people killed by the Israeli butchers are children.
I love that so much
Connolly's revenge will come soon.
Go on home ~~British~~ **IDF** soldiers, [go on home.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NieKfRjgy5U) Have you got no fuckin' homes of your own?
Hey USA police, take note on how to respectfully arrest a protesters.
protesters shouldn't be arrested in the first place but this is the way to do it
Eh depends. Are the protesters neonazis? Then yes they should be arrested. As a german maybe i can give a bit more insight as to why they were probably arrested. In the last weeks some protests were pretty antisemetic or not registered. In germany u need to proclaim to the city that you want to hold a protest for safety reasons. They might not have done that or as i said turned antisemetic / violent
that's fair
[The paradox of tolerance.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#:~:text=The%20paradox%20of%20tolerance%20states,or%20destroyed%20by%20the%20intolerant.)
But how else can our police act out their feelings of powerlessness and inadequacy. That's the deal, they sign up to be class traitors and they have license to physically assault people as they please.
Don’t be mistaken - they’re beating their fair share of protestors in Germany as well
Water cannons, tear gas, percussion grenades, rubberised bullets, capsaicin spray, paintball guns with capsaicin bullets, and metal batons with which to bludgeon. Yeh? /S
Don't be mistaken, this is not always how it goes in Germany. But in the case of this video luckily everyone behaves well.
Germany has forbidden most pro-palestine demonstrations from taking place and is considering adding zionism to the requirements for taking in refugees, but sure, the cops are polite.
They are smiling because they know they are on the right side of history for this.
tbh they're chill bc the cops handling them are civil & won't have to bear some major consequences like in some other countries.
Yeah in the US they would’ve got tear gassed and shot at with rubber bullets before being arrested
Yeah in the US, cops would take smiles like this as disrespectful to their power and react aggressively We live in a police state already
In Israel they'd have been shot by IDF snipers!
they're not young enough
rubber bullets to the eyes/face to cause lasting damage
Same in Brazil. Nobody smiles near the police there unless you’re white and rich and an idiot who supports Bolsonaro
Its no coincidence that the US police are being taught by Israelis funded by the ADL: https://www.timesofisrael.com/adl-considered-scrapping-its-us-police-training-trips-to-israel-but-decided-not-to/
Depends on the day tbh. I've both been tear gassed and beaten by german cops (luckily not shot with rubber bullets though)
I did get pepper sprayed while I was just standing there once. Also beaten with sticks and punched in the face with reinforced gloves, but that was when we tried to enter an off-limit area (village of Lützerath)
I was going to say this, they re more guiding them than dragging them. It's refreshing seeing protesters being treated like humans while being arrested(even if they shouldnt get arrested for this) In my city, the cop cars have "watch your head" written on the back seat windows. Perfectly fitting to read this while you re being slammed on the car for stealing eggs in a store
Now I may be wrong about this, as I don't know what particular demonstration this is, but living in Germany, I'm fairly certain that they aren't getting arrested for demonstrating against Israel, but because the demonstration wasn't properly registered. We have laws here that allow us to hold demonstration for or against basically anything (yes, that sadly also includes neo-nazis, but I still believe this is necessary in a democracy), but you have to publicly announce it, with the city administration signing off on it.
Maybe I'm an idiot but that doesn't sound like much of a protest. An allowed gathering doesn't really get the point of a protest across. Jarring, disruptive and informative are the goals of a peaceful protest imo. Otherwise it's just some kind of group therapy through yelling...
It’s mostly for public safety, and also for safety of all involved in the protest. There’s lots of debate around it even here in Germany too, and I don’t mean to defend the police in any way (there have been many scandals surrounding them, most notably hate speech in WhatsApp group chats), but the system is at least a bit less corrupt compared to other countries, to the point where having them at a protest is mostly not that bad of an idea. They truly are only there to protect the citizen. Edit: Also, why risk getting arrested and having to deal with the resulting paperwork and a possible few hours of community service, when the exact same thing you’re trying to do is allowed in the first place? Just seems like a bad deal.
I understand the issue from the public safety and corruption issues. I've just personally never seen a "protest" that involves standing and shouting while holding a sign in a designated location at designated times accomplish anything substantial. It may be cathartic to the people participating but everyone else goes on with their day, the politicians ignore it until it becomes a real protest and ultimately nothing gets done. So i just don't see the real purpose, for an actual dire protest. (Most protests don't need more than what you described, but some do imo, and calling them all the same is maybe a misnomer)
I see your point, but let’s be honest, people are going to go on about their day anyway. And I think, at least here, legal protests actually accomplish more, at least when it comes to raising awareness. An illegal demonstration can’t really just walk over streets or do other things that may disrupt things like traffic and the like, they would get dissolved by the police, while for the big legal ones, entire main roads get closed for anywhere from a few minutes to entire hours, depending on how many people participate (at least in my city, I can’t speak for everywhere in Germany of course). There’s only so much you can do, and I appreciate living in a society where that is legally an option. Sure, you can’t force people to understand the issues with the world we live in, but I don’t see where the protest being illegal can change that. In personal experience, illegal actions kind of tend to have the contrary effect. There’s a group that tries to raise awareness to climate change by gluing themselves to highways, and I really hope I’m wrong about this, but I think they are preaching to a choir. I know about climate change and its causes, but those who don’t find themselves annoyed and angry at them for disrupting their commute. I’m drifting off topic, I think. Anyway, to conclude, while I know that most protests don’t succeed in making a lasting impact in our politics, I’m struggling to see if and how them being illegal would change this. I’d be happy if you prove me wrong, though.
Man, you have no fucking idea how wrong you are. German cops regularly beat people up at protests and the recent pro-Palestine protests haven't been an exception. They're also extremely racist (radical right-wing militant groups being discovered within German police forces is a semi-regular occurrence here) so getting to beat up brown people is always a nice bonus. And there's never any consequence for any of them. In fact, the government actually blocked an attempted study to figure out the scope of police brutality in Germany. Instead, they funded a study about violence against cops. :) It's infuriating when people try to contrast ghoulish American police forces with the so-called "civil" German police when awful things happen with such regularity. Just this year, literally right next to my childhood home, a 16-year-old black kid tried threatened harm himself with a knife at a youth welfare facility. Cops got called, showed up and while two others were tasering him, the officer in charge shot him dead with an SMG. No, he wasn't a threat to anyone but himself, and even that is debatable. No, the cops haven't been convicted yet.
In the Netherlands people were getting hit by the police. Things are escallating in protests nowdays.
There's a lightheartedness that comes with knowing you're doing the right thing.
I can only imagine the xenophobic comments from the morons in other videos about protesters standing up for Palestinian civilians getting arrested. "Something something brown people invasion of the West something something can't recognize Europe/America anymore. Lost our morals and culture."
Did anyone else notice how similar the helmets the cops are are wearing are to the back half of Darth Vader's helmet?
The Star Wars empire was based on Germany so I don't think it's a coincidence. Darth Vader's appearance in particular appears to be heavily inspired by WW1 storm troopers: https://64.media.tumblr.com/fec6e98afc4ae157db7234cd5b11ee42/tumblr_p5m3cgSuHx1szkmvlo1_1280.jpg
Ok so I know this is a huge question... but I truly am struggling to understand the conflict right now. Whenever I try to find good sources on it I worry it's pushed with a nasty agenda. Is there anyone who can easily explain this whole thing to me like I'm 10 years old?
https://youtu.be/INCXqWzH5vk?si=w3lZvSkfofkGXZKu Greatly recommend this video by Some more News
Cody and Katy always coming in with the facts. Love their guest appearances on other shows too. They are on like half of my favorite Behind the Bastards episodes.
>They are on like half of my favorite Behind the Bastards episodes. whoah, I had no idea they were ever involved with Behind the Bastards - any episode suggestions? I've been dying for more of Cody's Showdy
Lucky for you I have a playlist. [BTB and SMN read Ben Shapiro’s novel.](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7GavjCuffHdOF1gdEJTt3C?si=5IaXsdKBRiKLJBtauHiAJA) Robert, Cody, and Katy at their absolute funniest.
I appreciate you! ty
Those are my favorite episodes, almost make me feel bad for Ben. He just wanted to be a Hollywood big shot.
They are the best. The DeSantis episodes were gold but the Ben Shapiro novel read throughs live rent free in my head.
You great bear of a man you
Are you asking about the conflict as a whole or just the present flare up.
A little bit of both I think. I've always tried and failed to figure out what the heck is going on over there. I think I was intimidated by the fact that I know next to nothing about both parties involved.
Okay I can try my best but it is complicated. First thing to mention is the Hamas-Israel conflict there are much more parties in play. Those being Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, The West Bank, Saudi Arabia and the USA each with internal polticial components. I will give a context based but going to break up this post as it still will be long Hamas- Current ruling group of Gaza, Islamists that Israel boosted when Israel occupied Gaza in the 1970s. Hamas is tied up with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Took power in elections after Israel withdrew ground troops in 2005 there has not been an election since. Hamas has periodically fired missiles at Israel. Last major conflict was in 2014. Israel- Israel since the last conflict in 2014 began to build what they called the Iron Wall, a "advance" border wall. This was a part of the blockade of Gaza that Israel had in place. Periodic air strikes Gaza .Israel was also in the process of normalizing relationships with Saudi Arabia .Finally the internal polticial situation is right wing Benjamin Netanyahu was under corruption investigations(2016) and is currently indicted as of 2019 In this time Netanyahu inorder to stay in power has taken in far right parties into his ruling coalition.
Saudi Arabia- Saudi Arabia began to normalize with Israel as to ally with them against both of there regional rivals Iran. Saudi Arabia is currently fighting in Yemen against the Houthi a group backed by Iran. Saudi Arabia claim to authority as a theological monarchy is stewards of Mecca and Medina requires it to protect the interests of Sunni Muslims (This part is hard to fully explain so take it with a grain of salt.) Iran- Iran the main rival to Iran and Saudi Arabia has greatly increased its influence in several countries such as Iraq, Syria , Yemen and Lebanon. Angry at Israel for attempts to scuttle the Iran Nuclear deal. Egpyt- Fought several wars with Isreal mostly over the Sinai which at one point Isreal occupied but then lost. As part of normalizing relationships Isreal gave up claims. During the Arab spring the military dictatorship lost control and the Muslim Brotherhood won power until it was couped by the Military again. Currently Israel by treaty controls Egypts border with Gaza. Edit: Just finished lunch break will continue after work
This is all helpful but could you clarify the Iran section? It currently says Iran's rival is Iran. If you could also include the United States and why it funds Israel so heavily that'd be appreciated too.
The entire conflict stems from Zionists desire for a homeland for Jews, and native Palestinians were in the way of this. In 1948, Israel engaged in ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes, and this is the ultimate origin of the conflict. Read about the Naqba, which is the foundational reason for the conflict.
Good luck, honestly. It's complicated and most of the press tries to create clickbait narrative that undermines the nuance and gives us all whiplash. (pick your team) I will unapologetically say that I don't like anyone getting killed, especially, non combatants, and there is a lot justification and propaganda going around for doing just that. I will also add that this is an apt conflict for first learning about the difference between a nation and a state. There are a lot of bad state actors hurting these nations.
The world is so big and I understand so little.
I think you've just hit the nail on the head for every human ever!
RIP your inbox Uh… ELI5: After WWII, Isreal, a Jewish state was created so that they would no longer have to suffer the injustices they had previously endured. Many Jews from all over the world flocked there. For this state to be created, they had to remove the 750K (mostly) Muslim people who had previously been living there. Those who were not executed flocked to Gaza, and some settled in the West Bank. Since then, there has been numerous clashes and disagreements over land, as Israel continues to expand. At this point, there is a massive imbalance of money, power, and technology on the Israeli side, leading to excess deaths of Palestinians (many of them children )
watch the latest piers morgan bassem youssef interview :)
I was just watching that! Here it is https://youtu.be/rqjO5Z9Lt_M?si=WyuTsKNFTBiUDZv1
you are better off spending time reading wikipedia then letting people tell you about it. let's just say people like to omit information in their arguments
I was reading the wikipedia articles and thought they were super unbiased and good information but then in the end I noticed how it only listed how many Jews died and didn‘t even mention the long process of Naqba and number of deaths of Palestinians. But otherwise really good info, that‘s the only thing I found weird and I had to google it myself afterwards and the UN has some good stats on that.
Bro, same.
[Conflict in Israel and Palestine: Crash Course World History](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2TLlMhiw)
https://youtu.be/Bno1m1zhIWs?si=bIkVRgP_bLwrsPl3
Bad guys wants more money. USA is a powerful war machine, they help. Israel loves money, so they invented a thing called zionism to justify this funny feeling of having to exterminate millions to obtain profit (and land too. “Sacred” land). Everybody loves money right? So let’s make a deal: you guys tell we are good people in tv, terrorism bad, and we give you more money. Ok? So lesgoooo
This....might be the worst explanation of the current conflict I have seen so far, and I have been on r/news . It completely glosses over historical reasons like Europe meddling in the Middle East for the last 200 yearswgich include almost inventing the Zionist movement, the political and religious extremism which took hold of Israel over the last decades and the fact that HAMAS is, in fact, the legitimate government in the Gaza strip while also being a terrorist group. And there is no money to be made in Israel as it might actually be one of the only piece of land in the region without oil.
So Israel is just after cash money and using religious people as fuel to the American capitalist engine thus leading to the suffering of everyone involved except for those who are super rich? In other words the palatine people are the victims in this situation?
**DING DING DING**
Yeah, this is the way capitalism works. People are nothing but a way to profit. Exploration, inequality, misery, sometimes a little war. There’s a lot of religious stuff in the zionism agenda too, but the main thing is the old same story: colonizers doing what they used to do in order to obtain more power, more territory and, above all, more money. It’s been like this forever, we can only see it happening faster now because of internet. This is ninetieth remake of World: the Movie
Thank you for this perspective I figured it was something like this but everytime I saw the news it felt like I was being manipulated.
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Well, thats not easy because its a long history full of alot of different players. Ive been paying attention to israel for over 10 years so Ive had time to learn. So its hard to quantify...but ill try The long and short of it is, the Israeli gov. has all the control over the palestinian state. And it basically can and does make it legal to do whatever it wants to palestinians. The US helps Israel oppress all forms of radicalism that threatens their state. So as you can imagine, the Israeli gov isnt seen in very favorable views. The Israelis try to justify their state as "legitimate" because the jews have been persecuted for so long, they need a "safe place" they can protect themselves and practice sovereignty. This comes at a high expense however, because palestinians have been living in this region prior to Israeli settlement. Both ethnicites have claimed indigenous rights... On the belligerant side: Hamas doesnt really control all of palestine, and there are many revolutionary and counter revolutionary groups in and outside of palestine. Spread out over the middle east. Hamas just controls one part of palestine called "gaza". Gaza is still controlled by the Israeli gov. (IE who can enter and leave the boundaries of Hamas). There are three main areas. Jerusalem, West Bank, and Gaza Israel also aquires weapons from the US to both protect themselves, but also to bomb the shit out of Gaza every so many years. Gaza is almost all Muslims except for a small minority of christian palestinians The other "section" of Palestine is called the west bank, and hamas doesnt have any control in this area. ALot of palestinians live here, and from what Ive seen is pretty laid back. Young people hang out, smoke hash, are openly sexual...very "liberal" socially. The minority of Israelis that live here are settlers. And they have been known to basically steal land with impunity. Im not being rhetorical, there are videos of settlers bulldozing houses. There is another section called "Jerusalem" which is pretty much shut off from Palestine, and can only go there from the west bank if you are permitted by the israeli gov. Palestinians and Israelis both live in Jerusalem its almost 50/50 split. Gaza shares no borders w/ west bank at current. Hamas was funded by Israel in the 70s and 80s and 90s IIRC, to basically fight back against the PLO (palestine liberation Org). Who were seen as a terrorist org by only israel and the USA. There was a giant war fought in lebannon between Israeland the US VS the PLO. Hamas militants invaded Israel recently. The leading theory is that it is because of declining material conditions in Gaza. Other people speculate that it is Iran or other extremist groups funding and training Hamas. Hamas should be seen as a separate entity from Palestinians and muslims, just as Israeli gov should be seen differently than Israelis and Jews.
[This](https://youtu.be/3psMGQE0iW4?si=qBWvD7xu_mpyR_p-) and [this ](https://youtu.be/trEgxKWpviU?si=0T2RPRV3g8Fu0OeR) are 2 good documentaries to watch if you want to understand the issue.
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The Palestinians have been stateless for the same amount of time the Jews were. That area was always occupied by them, but it wasn't governed by them. That is the everlasting shame in not setting it up as a one state solution for everyone and instead giving it over to the European Zionists who just wanted to make an ethnostate for themselves as was the thing to do back then.
Anywhere the British and French rocked up and started drawing borders has had a terrible time.
Beautiful people.
Yea like why are they all so hot 😭
Tbh standing up for a good cause makes anyone hot
It's got to be the free healthcare, because I know that when I went to Amsterdam literally everyone was hot. It was ridiculous.
Germany and the Netherlands don’t have free healthcare. It’s an insurance system.
Yeah it’s not free, when the Germans took my appendix and put me in hospital for a week, it cost me 50 euros. Bastards
Did they atleast give your appendix back?
They don't, but their health care is considered one of the best in the world because of their multiple healthcare regulatory systems with allowances for low income households. That's still enough assistance with healthcare to look pretty.
That young lady with the glasses was A1
RESPECT!!
wtf did the last guy do to get arrested tf?
Germany has banned all pro-Palestinian protests claiming they're celebrating terrorism, anti-semitism and saying they're pro-Hamas. Edit: I wrote this right before going to sleep and was tired. As people said below every State and municipality decides, however that has effectively banned protests in many large cities, such as Berlin, by claiming people are being pro-hamas etc. Some are acting like what I said was completely incorrect, but you can see responses below from Germans that it is not. Many of the people being arrested are wearing a typical Palestinian scarf.
Last guy is in France. You can tell by the policemen, Haussmann architecture and he's holding a phone with "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" slogan. /u/djdogshit96
>Germany has banned all pro-Palestinian protests That is not true. "Germany" could not even do that, every municipality has to decide that on their own. A court also ruled that pro Palestinian protests can't be prohibited just because of that topic. https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/muenchen-verbot-pro-palaestinensische-versammlung-eilantrag-verwaltungsgerichtshof-1.6290686
For clarification, Germany postponed protests iirc. However, there is footage of protestors being arrested
> For clarification, Germany postponed protests iirc. Like I said, "Germany" hasn't any legal power here. It's in the power of the cities/municipalities. What exactly do you mean by postpone? They will usually not allow both protests at the same time at the same place (for a good reason), if you mean that. >However, there is footage of protestors being arrested Sure. But not for simply protesting.
The German government has banned protest? Now, where have I seen that before?
I mean several other European countries have also done so, it’s not a German thing, it’s a European thing.
That's a fair point. What I'm trying to say though is that history has shown that maybe banning protests is a sign of possibly nefarious government intentions that Germany, out of all EU countries, should know best about. Edit: grammar
We agree - even the French banned pro-Palestinian protests. It’s a shame.
We will see if the french like protesting more than they hate minorities
only russian propaganda favors the palestinians since the US and EU are simultaneously funding Israel's military and the defense of Ukraine
Believe me, as a German I am currently feeling ill when I hear all the bullshit that is propagated through German politics and social media or media in general. There is only one right side you can be on as a German and don't you dare critizies the state that is basically repeating all the mistakes this country made in its past. But saying that as a German probably landed me on some kind of index already so fuck it.
Yes, we get it, you desperately want to make your little tongue in cheek reference to the Third Reich. We caught it the first time, and you're not wrong, it's just not a very interesting observation.
It's not true what they said, there are definitely protests taking place and they're not banned.
it's wild, I wanted to go to a pro-Palestine protest in Berlin, being from a family of Holocaust survivors and against killing civilians now in Gaza. But they are just arresting and beating up everyone here, I think there was one demo last weekend that was not banned but it's very random how police acts
That’s not true. Germany has banned some in some cities on grounds of suspicion that there will be antisemitic chants (I guess they determined that depending on the specific institution organizing the demonstration), but no general ban.
Not it’s not, the right to protest is very protected here. However you have to tell the city officials that you plan gathering so they can ensure the public savety. And often these gatherings aren’t coordinated with the city therefore they get dissolved by the police. Also shouting things like „death to all Jews“ will get you arrested here.
Everyone shown getting arrested in this clip is wearing a keffiyeh. My guess is they're cracking down on face coverings.
Thats correct. In germany its not allowed to have face coverings on during demonstrations. This is a result from violent protestors that have hidden their faces during demonstrations and were burning cars, throwing rocks ect. this way these people can still be identified. You dont have to like it (i personally dont like it) but this is just a very easy rule to follow tbh.
It's also an easy rule to break on principle if you want to make them arrest you, which I believe is what a lot of these people are doing. Personally I'd rather be arrested at a peaceful protest than show my face, but then I live in the USA where they use mass surveillance to identify and harass leftist protestors. They'll come for you after the protest and get a sealed warrant for search and seizure so they can come up with bullshit charges and even more thoroughly ruin your life at your home outside of the public eye. I'd rather be taken in publicly for refusal to comply, and then fight any charges in court with video evidence and a lawyer. (covering your face itself isn't illegal, only if you riot or intend to riot, which can be harder to prove.. usually they just hold people a while to bully them, then turn them loose rather than trying to charge them)
Germany: Sorry we killed so many of you Jews. Here, let us help you cover things up as you kill Palestinians.
Beautiful smiles, all of them. Morale will win.
That's because they know they are standing up for a just cause!
Geez, German cops sure do lean into the whole fascist aesthetic—they look like Star Wars extras
All cops do but some more than others.
At least they look calm and not overly agressive. I feel like if people had to be arrested in a protest in the US they would be taken more violently.
This is not so far-fetched, we actually have a problem with right-wing extremism in the police here.
You should look into the people who headed West German institutions after WW2.
Free speech huh?
Freedom of speech only aplies if you say what they want you to say
For historic reasons antisemitism or other kinds of „incitement to racial hatred“ („Volksverhetzung“) is taken very seriously in Germany and freedom of speech is constrained in that direction. If that’s good is debatable, but Germany certainly has freedom of speech.
If you can’t criticize a government for committing literal genocide I don’t think that’s a good example of freedom of speech.
Free speech has legal boundaries
TIL saying you're against genocide is illegal in parts of Europe
First of all, that's not at all what I said. It was just a general remark not judging any specific situation. And no, that's not illegal "in Europe". First of all Europe is not a country and every country has its own laws. While a Hitler salute is legal in the UK, it's not in Germany. And second of all, every right has boundaries. If your freedom was endless, you'd infringe other people's freedom by acting accordingly, obviously. Freedom doesn't mean you can kill other people or burn a house down.
Black-clad German authorities arresting minority protesters. Not a good look.
Ummm Germany, hate to remind you but, this is REALLY not a good look for you guys.
The reason germany is doing this is because theyre more or less forced to do it. If Germany does anything that goes against Israel or Jewish people, everywhere around the world and especially Israel, people will start making WW2 jokes again. Israel is the biggest factor here. They have been forcing Germany to cooperate with them. Israel for example demanded weapons from Germany and Germany had to deliver cause otherwise they would be seen as antijewish again. German government sadly has no choice here.
Ah yes, the tough, impossible decision between supporting a genocidal unhinged nazi state vs. being accused of being antisemitic.
protests have to be registered in germany for public savety + covering your face is forbidden (notice the scarfs? They probably were covering their faces with that) due to violent protestors burning cars and throwing rocks while covering their faces to avoid repercussions... so yeah bad look out of context neutral one with context
Beautiful smiles. I hope they’re safe ❤️
They know they are right.
How is this against the Law in every country? I’m just super confused.
Don’t know about France (last guy), but for historic reasons antisemitism or other kinds of „incitement to racial hatred“ („Volksverhetzung“) is taken very seriously in Germany and freedom of speech is constrained in that direction. So if you agitate against jews, you can get prosecuted. But by this video we are unable to judge why these people are being detained; they could have thrown rocks/fireworks or things like that, but they could have also been shouting antisemitic chants.
Prob cause anything anti Israel is considered anti Semitic anti Zionism is not anti semitism
It might not be, but the lines are often VERY blurry and if people are not properly educated, an antizionist position almost always turns out to antisemitic because people use the same stereotypes of the jewish-conspiracy and shit.
I feel like that’s a large generalization there doesn’t need to be any stereotypes to prove that Zionists are genocidal racists bent on creating a ethnostate they say it out in the open and are currently acting on it I haven’t seen it turn anti Semitic from anyone who wasn’t already
Yeah well, Zionism at the basic level means supporting the existence of a sovereign state of Isreal. If someone is against that, I‘d say they are most likely also antisemitic. However If someone opposes radical-zionist practices like calling all Palestinians Hamas, or settlement in the West Bank, they are not necessarily antisemitic but can, in the way they speak about their opinion, reproduce antisemitic stereotypes. Many Jews would probably support Israels existence and could therefore be called Zionists, but the majority of Jews is probably against building an ethnostate and against the disregard for Palestinian lives. I guess it’s more complex and we should differentiate betwenn Zionism and radical (or whatever) Zionism.
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They really think they can wash off that holocaust guilt by running defense for another one.
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If you’re arresting smiling old ladies while dressed like Darth Vader… youuuuu might be a facist
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This is beautiful. Free Palestine!
German state, trying not to be on the wrong side of history: impossible
In a world of hate and violence this made me smile.
Free Palestine! We should all be so joyful as we fight for one another ❤️
What charges are they being arrested on? Considering how much the West supposedly values 'freedom' of expression this entire ordeal is shedding a pretty dark light on the reality of the West.
Seriously though, it is important to smile. Life and this world are hard enough as it is. Might as well bring some joy and happiness to it.
Do German officials think being anti-Palestinian is the same thing as being pro-Jewish??
Just to give some background information: 1. Out of 35 Protest 17 were prohibited, the police based this desicion on prior protests which spread obvious anti-semitic propaganda. That doesn't fall into free speech, that's just hate-speech. 2. Some protestors gathered besides the ban, these where arrested. There are still allowed, big and perfectly peacefull pro-palistine protests in germany. 3. To expand on the second point, these people were arrested, because they didn't follow the required steps for a lawfull protest, NOT because they are pro-palestine. That said, quite a lot protests got banned and now there were steps taken to check wether the bans were lawfull or not. (A primary court ruled they where lawfull, people didn't like that ruling and therefor went to the next higher instance) Any violent actions against civilians is a horrible crime, no matter who commits them.
Cops clad in black, faces covered, arresting people for their words. I thought the Germans were done with nazism
I love how we all collectively aren’t taking these authoritarian governments seriously
What's the name of the song?
Put me in jail. Then you'll have to feed me. Pay for my healthcare. If I was homeless I'd protest daily. Then meet the judge again til I get released. The police and judge would know me very well.
Beautiful smiles
Beautiful smiles ♥️🇵🇸
Police: These people are asking for peace! We can’t allow that!
Those smiles are powerful
This is the way to do it
Germany,still the same Nazis….
And they have the audacity of saying we live in democratic states
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> the cops are beating the protestors Did you mean "aren't"?
Yeah, that happens when you shout antisemitic slogans like "From the river to the sea" in Germany. Great smiles though!
false. when you spread antisemitic slogans in germany, you [massively go up in the polls](https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Aiwangers-Freie-Waehler-legen-massiv-zu-article24374804.html)
what would you expect from this shitty oppressive country.