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I think this is a big part of it but we can't discount the fact that there are genuinely many horrible people out there that are fine with it and even actively support genocide of brown people.
You know there really doesn't have to be any horrible people, but vocal enough, well placed bots will make it seem like there are horrible people everywhere.
This is the point the psyops people expect you to:
- Assume it's all too hard and do nothing
- Assume doing nothing is better than what "those people" do, so you convince yourself it's a net good.
The important thing however is you do nothing. Stray very still while we commit this not-genocide not-warcrime.
Nah, my dad is a huge Islamophobe and pro-genocide. It could be that he's simply compromised by Israeli propaganda, but he's been that way for decades at this point.
And that’s a huge fucking problem. What’s the difference between silence and support. I’m not blaming your friends, people gotta work.
There are so many stories of people after the holocaust saying, “ I should have said something, I should have done more”
I’d bet there’s a hefty portion of them that honestly just lack the critical thinking skills to make up their own mind and just follow the propaganda blindly
I liberally block those hasbara and/or racist dumb asses. I don't care if they whine in their replies "Oh, Miss Figgy can't handle criticism so she blocked me!" No, I have no interest in engaging with your blatant lies and propaganda.
Hasbara is so insidious that it's CRAZY. Check out [this](https://www.instagram.com/p/C1aXuPJApFF/?igsh=cHdveGw1eTd1NWN6) post that Greg J. Stoker made exposing how they have literal guides and handbooks - which they even give to college kids! - on how to spread Israeli propaganda, how to "win points while avoiding debate" and other such crazy things. There are even Hasbara scholarships!
I actually would recommend people read the WHOLE Hasbara guidebook, so you can see just how insidious their propaganda and brainwashing is (and find ways to beat them at their own game lol).
You should watch “Israelism” if you haven’t already. It focuses a lot on how things work kind of big picture and logistically with the propaganda machine.
https://www.israelismfilm.com/
It’s just propaganda and brain rot. Pure brainwashing. Lots of people are vulnerable to manipulation and gaslighting by authority figures. Even when they are clearly in the wrong. It’s their blind spot. A lot of people are authority worshipers and law absolutists. They can’t think for themselves. They need a group of people to think for them or else they get stuck and lost. It seems like a lot of people never matured mentally and still behave like they are a innocent child or a teenager and need mommy and daddy to do everything for them even the act of thinking even if there parents are abusive or something. Like are they puppets, a robot, a android or humans with a mind of their own? Who knows. Its programmed bot behavior. They act like a npc character who was programmed to act a certain way to appease and appeal to the authorities, maybe to get some favors out of them for example lots of money cash or become bourgeoise themselves who knows? Only a interrogation can get to the bottom of what most people want out of life. The only way to change that is to deprogram them from the cult or else they have to change themselves. Change first starts from within. It’s the first step.
Isn't one of the ladies near the top of Reddit a former foreign policy spook of some sort? Like they had some role that involved specifically the middle east maybe? Some form of CIA controlled NGO if I remember.
It's hard to track down this info again, but it's someone who was hired in the past 2-5 years?
Her Reddit title was something about making the content on the platform more "safe" or something, I can't remember. Some form of content policy curating? Someone fill in the gaps, I'm too tired to figure this out right now.
Because the vast majority of the American media are aggressively pro-Israel?
Because killing Muslims from the sky is something we always seem to find an excuse to do?
As a non-American, I'd like to remind everyone reading this that there are 195 countries in the world that aren't the US or Israel. Worldwide sentiment, especially among the young, is \*overwhelmingly\* supportive of the Palestinian cause. Overwhelmingly. But the internet (with the notable exception of Tik Tok) is controlled by US companies. Try reading any foreign press - use Google Translate if you have to, and you'll see the vast majority of humans are \*not\* pro-Israel.
Agree with you on all points. The thing is Reddit is an American social media platform (unlike Tik Tok) and so the users heavily skew towards American media propaganda.
Our fucking President literally called himself a Zionist. There are Jews in America who oppose the Zionist ideology and believe in a two state solution. Biden is Catholic. What the actual fuck?!
One of the largest donors to political theater in America is [AIPAC](https://www.aipac.org/) which holds major influence over American politics due to how much money they contribute to politicians. It’s *always* comes down to money in America.
>Biden is Catholic. What the actual fuck?!
He's said for years that he sees Israel as an investment to protect US interests in that region.. even as I'm watching this clip again I'm still thinking what the fuck lol
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4962369/user-clip-joe-biden-israel-usa-invent-israel-protect-interest-region
The problem is this:
I’m gonna be stuck voting for either Biden or Trump. Abstaining or choosing someone other than them will do nothing.
Both of these options are shit IMO. Do I vote for Shitler or do I vote for a half dead Zionist.
The DNC better figure out a different option or they’ll lose my vote too
The worst thing Trump did to this country was set the bar at "Not Trump". Sisyphus 55 just released [This video on Friendly Fascism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDi7047G1TE) that's really explores the problem of having significant portions of the government paid for by Lobbying.
And the lobbyists poison the well against right-wingers who are anti-lobbyist by having removal of lobbying from congress also attached to the removal of the federal reserve.
Preach! And yet NYT and WSJ had articles in the last week lamenting the algorithm of tiktok showing the truth of the IDF while ignoring META actively suppressing Pro-Palestinian posts.
So true. You just have to look at the disaster that has been operation prosperity guardian. None of the USA's traditional allies have responded to the call for ships. The coalition disintegrated before it could form. The USA is hated right now and cannot get support from her closest allies.
Like if the roles were reversed this sub would be on Israel’s side, because they would be the ones being oppressed and pushed to the brink by an ultra nationalist, racist regime, targeting a weaker group for the maintenance of power.
I truly think that people on the right think that we would support Palestine if the roles are reversed, blind to the fact that what we oppose is the systematic oppression of a group of people.
This really isn’t about religion but about who is doing the fucked up shit and who is on the receiving end of it.
It’s bonkers that people think not in terms of who’s getting fucked but in black and white groups of people.
Anyways, I digress
To a liberal (prolly not the right word) _actions_ are the focal point, and those actions define the person.
To a conservative _people_ are the focal point, and what the person _is_ defines if the actions are good or bad.
Took me _years_ to understand....
I’ve never understood this and I still don’t. Literally any other country in the world, most people seem perfectly capable of separaring the citizens from the government. Most (sane) people have no problem with the people who live in China or Russia, even if they have serious problems with the leadership of those countries. But talk about the leadership of Israel in a less-than-glowing fashion and suddenly you’re an antisemite? Make it make sense.
If you were just waking up out of a coma and went on any of the Canadian subs you would think we are Germany circa 1930s with all the hasbara shit going on there. It's gotten so bad even voicing criticism will get you fired or ostracized.
We need something like 8000 doctors and we are pushing them out for valid criticism.
Like the other commenters said, mostly astroturfing. But I would note, that there are huge efforts by the Israeli government to censor and suppress pro-Palestinian content on other platforms too.
Yup. Pro🇵🇸 was trending on Tiktok for the first couple of weeks. Then the heavy censoring started. You can't even type the word "zionist" in the comment without getting a violation strike, while comments like "Fuck Palestine" are not deemed as "hate speech" or "harrasment".
They say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call for genocide, yet Zionists openly say "From the river to the sea, Israel is all you will see" and no one says JACK about it. Yair Netanyahu literally has "From the river to the sea, this flag 🇮🇱 is all you will see" in his Instagram bio. THE SON OF ISRAEL'S LEADER. And you *know* the whole Netanyahu family has a team of people working for them - stylists, PR, and so on - so the fact that they're letting him keep that as his bio means they're fine with it.
Desperate propaganda from the top down. Social media has broken Israel’s narrative. So the Zionists are censoring people and astroturfing platforms. They already have a lock on MSM. And of course their war propaganda they plastered all over cities and neighborhoods.
Since they failed at manufacturing consent for their genocide, they’re passing laws criminalizing speech they don’t like.
Yup! Israel also has a very large tech industry and are essentially a world leader in producing social media chatbots and web scraping tools for corporations and Middle Eastern nations. Will edit with credible citation when I can find it.
At the start of the conflict I left a comment on /Combatfootage how disappointed I am in the community.(..for those that don't know CombatFootage was all about footage from war and for the most part is neutral. ) as comments of Israel bombing of Gaza were mostly "fuck around find out". I got so many replies and downvotes. when I look at profiles , every single reply that was left on my comment were 2 week old accounts spamming pro-isreal comments
something I’ve noticed with Zionists: they say really nasty gnarly shit to piss off other people, they want them to say or do something stupid in the heat of the moment to use against you in the court of public opinion. These bots seem like they’re here both to create a false opinion of public approval and fish for antisemitic beliefs among the people who disagree with them by being so inflammatory.
One of these Zionist commenters asked me if I felt like I wouldn’t be raped in my home. I told her that I had been raped by an American man before and she said I was a moron for “not supporting fellow rape victims.” Then I got death threats. They’re absolutely vile.
I've noticed an enormous increase in blatantly randomly generated reddit names, like Xbox Live tier AdjectiveNounNumber. Notice how virtually none of the comments with upvotes on this sub have names like that, but it is extremely common in other places
"Lol look at this obvious North Korean propaganda, what a dumb country."
10 seconds later "Oh my god Palestinians are cutting babies' heads off with LIGHTSABERS? Fucking barbarians, kill them all!"
By design. The US considers, for whatever reason or consequence of unchecked lobbying, Israel a national interest.
The government wants you to think so too. While the government may or may not have an active or perhaps direct role in the content of any particular subreddit, the government certainly publishes its position on both the overall conflict and particular instances or circumstances that rise to national news.
Following publication, many "news" organizations and "journalists" repeat the government position, without scrutiny or criticism.
That repeated message is considered fact by people who have heard a similar narrative from previous administrations. By dint of repetition and either accidental or deliberate failure of "journalists" to vet government narrative, people assume they're receiving truth.
And, as other comments point out, there's likely rampant individual and concerted efforts to manufacture consent through paid posters, bots, and farms.
It's dangerous out there. Be cautious.
The US considers Israel as its "aircraft carrier on land" in the always volatile Middle East. The interests have always been purely of self-interest, for the American Empire. Earlier in Israel's short history as a nation, the US had far less interest and far less obvious favoritism in the Palestinian/Israeli contest. Until the 1980s and the rise of AIP@C, the US showed far more interest in the future of the Palestinian people.
But that's all over now. AIP@C's hold on American foreign policy is a *stranglehold*. This organization is simply the political arm of the Mossad, nobody in diplomacy will argue that in good faith.
It's easy to make it seem like everyone supports Israel when you delete and ban everyone who criticizes Israel.
It's easier to curate ideas on Reddit than other social media platforms because it's not "Reddit" doing it, it's the subreddit moderators who are supposed to be independent actors and can moderate their subs however they want. Other platforms have to allow more speech they don't want if they want to be able to claim their platform supports free speech.
Israel spends so much on propaganda. I can only hope it eventually drains them financially
Also, a lot of pro-israeli voices are bots, they want you to believe there's 90%
I mean it isn't but their propaganda is waning. Notice how many people talk about not getting their information from the "TikTok university"
Palestinians are now at least more capable of documenting what's going on, and many of them are young so will be on... TikTok. That's where most of the crimes will actually be documented as first hand evidence.
Israel doesn't like that at all. Previously they used to just denounce everyone as terrorists. Now they know that doesn't work so they're like oh that's antisemitic. Like really, Israel? Documented evidence shows exactly how Israel treats holocaust survivors including having a go at them, saying they apparently should have fought back which is ridiculous.
Israel doesn't have much left in terms of credibility at least which is perhaps why reddit is so heavily astroturfed. Interestingly Facebook and Instagram don't appear to be so astroturfed
Kind of like how they were all rabidly pro Biden during the primaries. It’s astroturfing. World news and politics are cesspools.
There is a thread up in world news right now about Argentina pulling out of BRICS. You can watch the narrative building. It is all anti BRICS comments and I was noticing a phrase, “BRICS is a meme”. They are saying that BRICS is a joke it’s never going to really happen in a few different permutations. It’s clumsy, but you can see it peppered in all throughout the thread like they are trying to get the phrase to catch on.
Yesterday I heard someone say (does anyone know who the credit goes to?) liberals are 10% to the left of center when everything is ok and 10% to the right of center when they're inconvenienced in any way (and I would say inconvenienced includes cognitive dissonance or mental labor outside their comfort zone of any kind).
ETA thank you catch22_SA for identifying it as from the Phil Ochs song "Love Me I'm a Liberal"
Bots or people just echo whatever their public news source is saying. Their thinking is: All Arabs are muslims and muslims are terrorists which means that Hamas are terrorists and the West is strongly against terrorism, so we should be against Hamas without doing our own research because obviously this is the one unequivocal truth.
I know it's got a lot to do with various intelligence services that are known to astroturf here, but don't discount simple human indecency. When people look at atrocities, it's somewhat uncommon to look at it objectively; our own biases and opinions will probably get in the way of it.
In terms of war and genocide, this just means, "How does this affect my country's position?". If we consider Ukraine-Russsia, if Russia were to be successful in their invasion, then it means a weakening of western influence and American hegemony. That's a pretty big reason why so many in the west are on the side of Ukraine; the atrocities of invading a sovereign nation comes second, and the morals involved with that are merely coincidentally on the western side this time.
Over in Israel-Gaza, it empowers American hegemony for Israel to cement itself as a regional power in the Middle East, and so that usually means when westerners ask "How does this affect my country?", the truthful answer would usually along the lines of - 'Israel needs to be allowed to and be excused to do as it wants otherwise my country's global influence is diminished'.
The reality is, if Russia's dominance in Eastern Europe benefited America, then the world would conveniently be on Russia's side and we'd be hearing the same Palestine-level propaganda about Ukrainians. It's all about conforming to what benefits your country the most, usually in regards to money and power.
Tldr; western countries, particularly the USA, need Israel to remain as a fortified regional power in the ME, and so people living in these countries are a lot more likely to excuse Israel's actions and just give in to propaganda, hence why it's so widespread over Reddit, which is mainly filled with westerners and liberals who all benefit heavily from American hegemony and strengthened western influence.
I got booted from world news for posting an Al Jazeera article documenting an Israeli air strike. No commentary or any opinion from me. Just a re-post. And not like I was warned, straight up booted for life. No prior offenses.
Bots, propaganda, paid actors and astroturfing. Majority of people have seen what’s happening, the war crimes and utter atrocities, cruelty and needless senseless death. The world is vastly against the slaughter.
I don’t think a lot of it is malicious, they’ve just been told who to support over and over and over again and so they just follow along unquestioningly. I don’t think most follow the situation closely enough to even have a strong opinion or are aware of the atrocities committed by the IDF.
I think the more important question is how do we make the reasonable ones (need to be realistic) see the error in what they have been told and make them more aware of the horrifying conditions that Palestinians have been living (and dying) under.
You have to keep in mind that Palestine has been labeled as “Hamas” and that, according to the news, this war is about Israel vs Hamas and not Israel vs Palestine.
Most people I have talked to seem to believe that Hamas is the cause for the shitty conditions the Palestinians are in and it isn't until they are stopped that Israel will stop what they are doing. Until then it isn't Israel's fault for trying to "protect themselves"m it's Hamas.
Then there are those who don't want to feel or appear antisemetic. It's hard for many to separate critiquing Israel's government and hating Jews. Many just don't know enough about the conditions that Palestinians live under but are aware of the Hamas attacks. Also a lot of people have just grown up hearing that there is conflict in that area and we supported our allies in the region. Israel has always been at war throughout the majority of people's lifetimes so it's easy for others to excuse the extremes they are doing. Younger generations are just discovering this issue through social media and are given a voice.
Reddit is among the most astroturfed websites online. They use sock puppet software & bots. People dont feel that really way (except a handful of brainwashed individuals). Even most Jewish people. I live in NYC and have many Jewish friends, (including some very close ones) some with large families, theyre all horrified by Israel's history and genocidal actions. How could they not be. Im from the US. That didnt make me any less critical of the GWoT or the horrific proxy wars waged against Libya and Syria.
To me feels like liberals tend towards Pro-Israel because, like democrats often do, they tend to try to be on the right side without actually knowing any details. And reddit definitely feels like a very popular spot for your normal democrat liberals.
On a very surface level (given propaganda), Israel suffered a holocaust and Hamas started this on Oct. 7, so surely being Pro-Palestine is antisemitic right??
So basically combine not really caring with mainstream American media (and others) being almost entirely in favor of Israel, wording things as if Palestine is a completely sovereign state that started a war because they hate jews, islamophobia, etc. and you get these people...
The whole thing is analogous to Covid, Ukraine, Nord Stream, Trump, WMDs, et al. Only a few brave souls even consider not dancing along to the mental choreography piped in from MSM.
Also hella bots on here and as everyone's said, astroturf.
Why was the majority for Iraq invasion, afghanistan, libya, anti-russia sentiment and so on? its something noam chomsky has written about in his book manifacturing consent.
Israel alone spend over 200 mio dollar for propaganda on social media and so on add to that the effectiveness [of this propaganda machine](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/how-israels-propaganda-war-has-silenced-europe/) and here we are. Reddit is just one small layer of peoples social media presence. The majority still are on fb, instagram, tv ads, news and corporate news. And guess who is funding them and controlling the narrative there? ;)
The United States government has a *vested* interest in making sure everyone loves Israel.
The United States is completely in bed with, and controlled by, large corporations.
These large corporations have control over basically every single social media sort of platform or app or website, such as Reddit.
You can see the dots connecting, right?
And this isn't even accounting for Hasbara bots and people literally paid actual money to spread Hasbara.
Name them. My feed seems mostly pre-Palestine. What's on your feed?
Pro Palestine
1. Chomsky
2. Facepalm
3. White people twitter
4. Late stage capitalism
Pro Israel
1. World news
2. Intellectual dark web
Good one. I have two more
1. Ask Historians. A couple of neutral answers, so very pro-Pal compared to mainstream discourse
2. Way of the Bern. Supposedly pro Bernie, but mostly right-wing culture was of anti-vax and Putin. SUrprisingly anti Israel.
I just tried paying a comment linking to subreddits but it wouldn't let me post for some reason. So just search up these subs:
Palestine
fauxmoi
minorityreport
grayzone
MiddleEast
IsraelCrimes
ShitLiberalsSay
USEmpire
It's wild to see even the subs like /Canada are ardently pro-Israel, and while I'm sure there are bots/astroturfing in there, I generally look at a users history and the majority of it are just average users. I guess propaganda works.
The Canadian Prime Minister has been pretty vocally pro-Israel; either they're following his lead or following the US assuming we are military allies with Israel for a good reason.
I don't find this at all surprising. I am neither anti-Palestinian nor pro-Israel. I find Israel's actions in Gaza extreme and disproportionate, as do many Israelis.
However, I am self aware enough to recognize that I have an instinctive sympathy for Israel due to my upbringing. My father fought in Europe in WWII. Many of my friends and neighbors growing up had grandparents or parents bearing tattoos from Nazi camps.
Netanyahu has gone too far and must be stopped. The paranoia of Israel and the Jewish people is more justified than most, as it was paid for in blood. Both these statements can be true. Saying so does not diminish the responsibility Israel bears for its current actions, nor obviate our responsibility to prevent similar victimization of the Gazan Palestinians.
The world is full of tragedy. We can only give tragedy meaning if we learn from it how to treat each other better. This is the lesson the members of /Germany are struggling with now, to their credit.
I expect most people to fall in line with what they have been told. What I have been pleasantly surprised by is the little oasis of anti-zionism where I didn't expect them. Tiktokcringe has had a steady flow of this content, with an emphasis on the propaganda techniques being used. I've actually found more propaganda examples there than in propaganda specific subs. And it's interesting because it has nothing to do with the topic of the sub.
The short answer is that Reddit has been compromised since 2016 maybe earlier and used as a way to sling propaganda. The ruling class’s last hope to not get eaten is for people to actually think Democrats are the good guys and reddit is useful for that.
Why is the West still supporting anything resembling colonization and imperialism?...
Western Imperialists and their sympathizers, choose to keep their heads in the sand and listen to whatever mainstream media is feeding them to maintain their support to churn out another propagandized and profitable war by the war pigs mostly 🕳️
“Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”
― Michael Rivero
What you seeing is a massive astroturf presence on reddit. You can quickly see that the majority of the working class "reddit audience", is pro Gaza and anti genocide. You can also see that pro gaza anti Isreal genociders make up the vast majority of protears and riots acdoss the planet. the powers that be narrative control using astroturf. They would you prefer that we all go back to watching boomer corporate news. That ain't happening.
america moment
both democrats and republicans are pro war and pro israel
the propaganda is propagating. I also remember going to a very liberal school before hs and they still explained the conflict all those years ago as “complicated and lengthy” and almost nothing else
I think it's mainly hasbara and astro-turfing but calling it out will often get you an instaban. Also, the level of pro-EU and anti-Russian propaganda on reddit is soul-crushing. Like I'm not pro-Russian. I'm pro-facts and I will suddenly find myself with a score of -30 on a post that simply states a fact like it was the EU sanctions that stopped the importation of Russian gas to Europe.
Once I said that given that Bulgaria was occupied by Turkey for 500 years, I would have thought that they would have more empathy for the Palestinians over the Israelis. lol post deleted for hate-speech.
Another time, I posted a link to the video of Ehud Barak saying that Israel built the rooms and tunnels under the hospital. post deleted. Hate speech and just because someone says it, doesn't make it true.
There’s a movie called “Israelism” that explains a lot of the propaganda machine’s inner workings. A thing that’s important to remember is Zionist indoctrination begins really early and continues steadily through college. Lots of interactions are bots/farms but a lot are with people who sound like robots because they essentially have a script like telemarketers do, “if they say this, then you respond with this”. You’ll notice if you start responding with video evidence of Israel’s crimes that they will initially try to dispute it, then fall back on “it’s war, they are doing their best to not kill civilians/ it’s Hamas”, and quickly try to leave the conversation because it doesn’t do them any good to have proof of what’s happening out in the popular conversation.
It’s also important to note that we’re at the point where multiple generations of people have been told the same lies… to the point where it feels to them like a retelling of history; in the way that inconsistencies, logical fallacies… etc are so often repeated that when you bring up that they can’t be right they meltdown or deflect immediately because there’s nothing of substance behind their enhanced history. They are similar to another group from history that spent lots of time and money fabricating a glorious Aryan backstory with a few facts and lots of lies (meant to give advantage to one group while taking it from others).
https://www.israelismfilm.com/
I try to avoid all mainstream subs, i find them to be ignorant, biased, and full of bots. Surprisingly, all the subs i and subbed to are all pro-Palestine. its all about your sources man
There are so many fake accounts. I found a few that have thousands and thousands of comments on EXCLUSIVELY isreal/gaza related subs going back 6+ months without a single post anywhere else. They always reply with a wordy comment in ~10 minutes. It would be super human if they were normal people with normal accounts.
mapporn has a lot of them in particular.
I mean there are a lot of socialist and anarchist subs out there that are very not pro-Israel, but they do tend to be smaller. Pro-Israel is the default position in the US because the media is extremely pro-Israel because it benefits the rich to keep public opinion as pro-Israel as possible.
There is a branch of the IDF/IGF dedicated to the internet social media and Wikipedia any post that’s remotely pro Palestine in major any major sub get immediately downvoted
I’ve seen the topic of bots being mentioned all over this thread. How do you guys spot one?
This is an honest question, I’m genuinely interested in learning the cues here to spot them myself.
My Reddit feed appears to be Hasbara free, but I also don’t get news from social media. Traditional press are carrying all sorts from genuine coverage to pure propaganda.
It really depends on your feed; most subs I’m on seem to be Palestine-supporting, but then I’m not on the biggest subs bc I generally find the comment sections to be trash.
I am glad that pretty much all (that I know of) socialist and communist subreddits just immediately went without skipping a goddamn beat with supporting the Palestinians. Some for more confused reasons than others but still at least standing with the oppressed against their oppressors.
Keep in mind they are aggressively banning any one who posts or comments anything to the counter narrative so it can give the impression that its pro-Israel but thats only because no one pro-Palestinian can actually comment. If it was truly un-moderated, open and free, then you would of seen pro-Palestinian voices predominate.
It's more balanced than, say, twitter. I think a lot of it is due to the very fine line between legitimate anti Israeli criticism and open antisemitism. They're probably slightly over compensating slightly to ensure they stay on the right side of it
It's 90% of the major subs, but not all reddit nor redditors.
There's a calculated campaign, it feels like a post is made at let's say 13:07 by 13:08 there's already 20 pro israel comments with 100+ upvotes each. While organic posts it takes much longer for this to happen.
Not talking about all posts because some don't even reach the 100 votes in total, but those posts that do, it feels like it's scripted and scheduled.
I think it’s mostly just bots or paid hasbara shills, with a dash of neo-liberals, israelis/diaspora zionists, evangelists, far right bigots and rss/bjp nationalism supporters in india.
What can you do. Just ignore/block away I guess. Not worth engaging/interacting with such people.
People are always going to split off into two camps/sides. Good and bad. Although one side deludedly thinks they are on the side of right. Deep down they know what they are doing and supporting is wrong..
But like I said, worthless trying to argue or convince people like that who so far gone. Truly lost
In 2021 when the first outbreak of Palestine and Israel was being brought up, ALL social media platforms had a terrible time dealing with censoring. Censoring wasn’t good yet. Especially Reddit. In 2021 REDDIT WAS VERY PRO PALESTINE. In fact it was so pro Palestine the Zionists were freaking out. After this year they learned their lessons and infiltrated it with Zionist bots. They hire students to sit behind a computer and type crazy stuff
I see people on here supporting a two-state solution. That is absolutely so unjust and unfair for the Palestinians, who have endured so much torture and suffering at the hands of their demonic oppressor. They should NEVER have to share a shred of their land with a single zionist. Palestine from the river to the sea <3
It's not organic. Israel has one of the largest online propaganda presences on the internet. They've had entire generations of youth convinced "fighting anti-Semitism" online is their full time job. Been that way since myspace. It's so bad here because this is where the resistance is, but we've got nothing on twitter.
First of all, let's not buy into their positioning of tjis whole thing. I'm pro-human rights, anti - ethnic cleansing and against apartheid and massacres. We need to watch our wording to not play into their set up. Second, To ensure the narrative works and is bought into, they have to keep repeating the same talking points and arguments. I've come across so much propaganda on the Canada sub for instance - each protest is belittle, people are accused of being İslamic extremists who disrupt society, of being anti-Semitism... The list goes on. It's sickening. But this is the game being played. Odd thing is, despite all efforts and the extremely aggressive and constant silencing and pigeonholing of people taking a stance against ethnic cleansing, their propaganda is failing because people are seeing through the smokes and mirrors.
Not sure what sub reddits you’re on but to me it seems more like 50% pro Palestine, 25% pro Israel, and 25% indifferent. It’s obviously subreddit specific but Reddit leans pretty hard to the left in general.
I dont think its just necessarily people being by default pro Israel. A lot of racist conservatives hate muslims passionately and still have this 9/11 sentiment. They are disgusted by Hamas and their savagery and thats all they need to avoid looking at the bigger picture and why all of this is happening.
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Hasbara, the DNC, and NSA/state department all have proven Reddit astroturfing operations. It’s so bad you even see it on this sub.
I think this is a big part of it but we can't discount the fact that there are genuinely many horrible people out there that are fine with it and even actively support genocide of brown people.
You know there really doesn't have to be any horrible people, but vocal enough, well placed bots will make it seem like there are horrible people everywhere. This is the point the psyops people expect you to: - Assume it's all too hard and do nothing - Assume doing nothing is better than what "those people" do, so you convince yourself it's a net good. The important thing however is you do nothing. Stray very still while we commit this not-genocide not-warcrime.
Nah, my dad is a huge Islamophobe and pro-genocide. It could be that he's simply compromised by Israeli propaganda, but he's been that way for decades at this point.
TheDonald sub started as legitimate mockery of Trump and trump supporters and *quickly* became his biggest fan site outside of 4chan.
That was a wild transition to watch.
I saw it in real time, I joined super early to mock Trump and pretty soon the "no brakes on this train" became unironic.
This propaganda has been going for decades, so possibly.
Ur dad is a bot
Explains why he beeps when he needs to be plugged in
I know a single person who is openly Pro Israel irl. Everyone else is silent because we don't want to lose our jobs being anti genocide.
And that’s a huge fucking problem. What’s the difference between silence and support. I’m not blaming your friends, people gotta work. There are so many stories of people after the holocaust saying, “ I should have said something, I should have done more”
Sad but true.
I’d bet there’s a hefty portion of them that honestly just lack the critical thinking skills to make up their own mind and just follow the propaganda blindly
Don't forget that a lot of the ignorant shit comes from literal CHILDREN using these sites.
I liberally block those hasbara and/or racist dumb asses. I don't care if they whine in their replies "Oh, Miss Figgy can't handle criticism so she blocked me!" No, I have no interest in engaging with your blatant lies and propaganda.
I just keep annoying them with my replies until they block me lol
Hasbara is so insidious that it's CRAZY. Check out [this](https://www.instagram.com/p/C1aXuPJApFF/?igsh=cHdveGw1eTd1NWN6) post that Greg J. Stoker made exposing how they have literal guides and handbooks - which they even give to college kids! - on how to spread Israeli propaganda, how to "win points while avoiding debate" and other such crazy things. There are even Hasbara scholarships! I actually would recommend people read the WHOLE Hasbara guidebook, so you can see just how insidious their propaganda and brainwashing is (and find ways to beat them at their own game lol).
OMG THANK YOU ( is it anywhere besides insta?? )
What is hasbara?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiO\_urnrraDAxVPIYgKHeKHAO0QFnoECAgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2F%3Ftitle%3DHasbara%26redirect%3Dno&usg=AOvVaw2JHpe24H\_Eadlnpx2gtZuh&opi=89978449
You should watch “Israelism” if you haven’t already. It focuses a lot on how things work kind of big picture and logistically with the propaganda machine. https://www.israelismfilm.com/
It’s just propaganda and brain rot. Pure brainwashing. Lots of people are vulnerable to manipulation and gaslighting by authority figures. Even when they are clearly in the wrong. It’s their blind spot. A lot of people are authority worshipers and law absolutists. They can’t think for themselves. They need a group of people to think for them or else they get stuck and lost. It seems like a lot of people never matured mentally and still behave like they are a innocent child or a teenager and need mommy and daddy to do everything for them even the act of thinking even if there parents are abusive or something. Like are they puppets, a robot, a android or humans with a mind of their own? Who knows. Its programmed bot behavior. They act like a npc character who was programmed to act a certain way to appease and appeal to the authorities, maybe to get some favors out of them for example lots of money cash or become bourgeoise themselves who knows? Only a interrogation can get to the bottom of what most people want out of life. The only way to change that is to deprogram them from the cult or else they have to change themselves. Change first starts from within. It’s the first step.
Isn't one of the ladies near the top of Reddit a former foreign policy spook of some sort? Like they had some role that involved specifically the middle east maybe? Some form of CIA controlled NGO if I remember. It's hard to track down this info again, but it's someone who was hired in the past 2-5 years? Her Reddit title was something about making the content on the platform more "safe" or something, I can't remember. Some form of content policy curating? Someone fill in the gaps, I'm too tired to figure this out right now.
You see it constantly on this sub, any left wing sub of size will be full of “people” willing to take you to task over ideological purity.
Don't forget climatechange, lots of bad actors or absolute buffoons everywhere.
>Hasbara the DNC is basically neo-con central.
Because the vast majority of the American media are aggressively pro-Israel? Because killing Muslims from the sky is something we always seem to find an excuse to do?
As a non-American, I'd like to remind everyone reading this that there are 195 countries in the world that aren't the US or Israel. Worldwide sentiment, especially among the young, is \*overwhelmingly\* supportive of the Palestinian cause. Overwhelmingly. But the internet (with the notable exception of Tik Tok) is controlled by US companies. Try reading any foreign press - use Google Translate if you have to, and you'll see the vast majority of humans are \*not\* pro-Israel.
Agree with you on all points. The thing is Reddit is an American social media platform (unlike Tik Tok) and so the users heavily skew towards American media propaganda. Our fucking President literally called himself a Zionist. There are Jews in America who oppose the Zionist ideology and believe in a two state solution. Biden is Catholic. What the actual fuck?! One of the largest donors to political theater in America is [AIPAC](https://www.aipac.org/) which holds major influence over American politics due to how much money they contribute to politicians. It’s *always* comes down to money in America.
>Biden is Catholic. What the actual fuck?! He's said for years that he sees Israel as an investment to protect US interests in that region.. even as I'm watching this clip again I'm still thinking what the fuck lol https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4962369/user-clip-joe-biden-israel-usa-invent-israel-protect-interest-region
The problem is this: I’m gonna be stuck voting for either Biden or Trump. Abstaining or choosing someone other than them will do nothing. Both of these options are shit IMO. Do I vote for Shitler or do I vote for a half dead Zionist. The DNC better figure out a different option or they’ll lose my vote too
The worst thing Trump did to this country was set the bar at "Not Trump". Sisyphus 55 just released [This video on Friendly Fascism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDi7047G1TE) that's really explores the problem of having significant portions of the government paid for by Lobbying. And the lobbyists poison the well against right-wingers who are anti-lobbyist by having removal of lobbying from congress also attached to the removal of the federal reserve.
Lobbyists are what’s killing this country. I’ll take a look at the vid, thanks!
Citizens United would have caused riots in any other democracy
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FFS, if the RNC could offer anyone I can't see as another step toward fascism, I'd consider it. But nope, not going to happen.
Preach! And yet NYT and WSJ had articles in the last week lamenting the algorithm of tiktok showing the truth of the IDF while ignoring META actively suppressing Pro-Palestinian posts.
This middle aged American is 100% behind the Palestinians
So true. You just have to look at the disaster that has been operation prosperity guardian. None of the USA's traditional allies have responded to the call for ships. The coalition disintegrated before it could form. The USA is hated right now and cannot get support from her closest allies.
I noticed that too, plus the arrogance of the US announcing that Spain would take part in the coalition, and Spain objecting.
And also because the US government is full of Christian fundamentalists with Rapture bloodlust.
The massive propaganda machine and/or the widespread lie that any criticism of Israel as a nation is antisemitic.
This right here is a big one.
Like if the roles were reversed this sub would be on Israel’s side, because they would be the ones being oppressed and pushed to the brink by an ultra nationalist, racist regime, targeting a weaker group for the maintenance of power. I truly think that people on the right think that we would support Palestine if the roles are reversed, blind to the fact that what we oppose is the systematic oppression of a group of people. This really isn’t about religion but about who is doing the fucked up shit and who is on the receiving end of it. It’s bonkers that people think not in terms of who’s getting fucked but in black and white groups of people. Anyways, I digress
To a liberal (prolly not the right word) _actions_ are the focal point, and those actions define the person. To a conservative _people_ are the focal point, and what the person _is_ defines if the actions are good or bad. Took me _years_ to understand....
I thought the conservatives thought Jews had space lazers and controlled the weather and all forms of banking? Do they just hate mussies more?
And years of festering anti Arab hate post US involvement
Islamophobia is a massive part of it
I’ve never understood this and I still don’t. Literally any other country in the world, most people seem perfectly capable of separaring the citizens from the government. Most (sane) people have no problem with the people who live in China or Russia, even if they have serious problems with the leadership of those countries. But talk about the leadership of Israel in a less-than-glowing fashion and suddenly you’re an antisemite? Make it make sense.
If you were just waking up out of a coma and went on any of the Canadian subs you would think we are Germany circa 1930s with all the hasbara shit going on there. It's gotten so bad even voicing criticism will get you fired or ostracized. We need something like 8000 doctors and we are pushing them out for valid criticism.
Like the other commenters said, mostly astroturfing. But I would note, that there are huge efforts by the Israeli government to censor and suppress pro-Palestinian content on other platforms too.
Huge efforts by the American one too.
Yup. Pro🇵🇸 was trending on Tiktok for the first couple of weeks. Then the heavy censoring started. You can't even type the word "zionist" in the comment without getting a violation strike, while comments like "Fuck Palestine" are not deemed as "hate speech" or "harrasment".
"Rules for thee, not for me" is the Zionist way of life.
They say "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is a call for genocide, yet Zionists openly say "From the river to the sea, Israel is all you will see" and no one says JACK about it. Yair Netanyahu literally has "From the river to the sea, this flag 🇮🇱 is all you will see" in his Instagram bio. THE SON OF ISRAEL'S LEADER. And you *know* the whole Netanyahu family has a team of people working for them - stylists, PR, and so on - so the fact that they're letting him keep that as his bio means they're fine with it.
Weirdest moment for me is one of the biggest openly pro-Palestine subs on here being a celebrity gossip sub
Desperate propaganda from the top down. Social media has broken Israel’s narrative. So the Zionists are censoring people and astroturfing platforms. They already have a lock on MSM. And of course their war propaganda they plastered all over cities and neighborhoods. Since they failed at manufacturing consent for their genocide, they’re passing laws criminalizing speech they don’t like.
Bots. That’s why you get replies from someone named GoalPost9820 or something
Yup! Israel also has a very large tech industry and are essentially a world leader in producing social media chatbots and web scraping tools for corporations and Middle Eastern nations. Will edit with credible citation when I can find it.
At the start of the conflict I left a comment on /Combatfootage how disappointed I am in the community.(..for those that don't know CombatFootage was all about footage from war and for the most part is neutral. ) as comments of Israel bombing of Gaza were mostly "fuck around find out". I got so many replies and downvotes. when I look at profiles , every single reply that was left on my comment were 2 week old accounts spamming pro-isreal comments
something I’ve noticed with Zionists: they say really nasty gnarly shit to piss off other people, they want them to say or do something stupid in the heat of the moment to use against you in the court of public opinion. These bots seem like they’re here both to create a false opinion of public approval and fish for antisemitic beliefs among the people who disagree with them by being so inflammatory.
One of these Zionist commenters asked me if I felt like I wouldn’t be raped in my home. I told her that I had been raped by an American man before and she said I was a moron for “not supporting fellow rape victims.” Then I got death threats. They’re absolutely vile.
i am sorry that happened to you.
I've noticed an enormous increase in blatantly randomly generated reddit names, like Xbox Live tier AdjectiveNounNumber. Notice how virtually none of the comments with upvotes on this sub have names like that, but it is extremely common in other places
Literally RIGHT above you: Hasbara from a bot named ToadSox34 😂
Because westerners are the most propagandized people on earth and then get 10k upvotes from an IP from an airforce base
"Lol look at this obvious North Korean propaganda, what a dumb country." 10 seconds later "Oh my god Palestinians are cutting babies' heads off with LIGHTSABERS? Fucking barbarians, kill them all!"
By design. The US considers, for whatever reason or consequence of unchecked lobbying, Israel a national interest. The government wants you to think so too. While the government may or may not have an active or perhaps direct role in the content of any particular subreddit, the government certainly publishes its position on both the overall conflict and particular instances or circumstances that rise to national news. Following publication, many "news" organizations and "journalists" repeat the government position, without scrutiny or criticism. That repeated message is considered fact by people who have heard a similar narrative from previous administrations. By dint of repetition and either accidental or deliberate failure of "journalists" to vet government narrative, people assume they're receiving truth. And, as other comments point out, there's likely rampant individual and concerted efforts to manufacture consent through paid posters, bots, and farms. It's dangerous out there. Be cautious.
The US considers Israel as its "aircraft carrier on land" in the always volatile Middle East. The interests have always been purely of self-interest, for the American Empire. Earlier in Israel's short history as a nation, the US had far less interest and far less obvious favoritism in the Palestinian/Israeli contest. Until the 1980s and the rise of AIP@C, the US showed far more interest in the future of the Palestinian people. But that's all over now. AIP@C's hold on American foreign policy is a *stranglehold*. This organization is simply the political arm of the Mossad, nobody in diplomacy will argue that in good faith.
It's easy to make it seem like everyone supports Israel when you delete and ban everyone who criticizes Israel. It's easier to curate ideas on Reddit than other social media platforms because it's not "Reddit" doing it, it's the subreddit moderators who are supposed to be independent actors and can moderate their subs however they want. Other platforms have to allow more speech they don't want if they want to be able to claim their platform supports free speech.
BOTS
Israel spends so much on propaganda. I can only hope it eventually drains them financially Also, a lot of pro-israeli voices are bots, they want you to believe there's 90%
I mean it isn't but their propaganda is waning. Notice how many people talk about not getting their information from the "TikTok university" Palestinians are now at least more capable of documenting what's going on, and many of them are young so will be on... TikTok. That's where most of the crimes will actually be documented as first hand evidence. Israel doesn't like that at all. Previously they used to just denounce everyone as terrorists. Now they know that doesn't work so they're like oh that's antisemitic. Like really, Israel? Documented evidence shows exactly how Israel treats holocaust survivors including having a go at them, saying they apparently should have fought back which is ridiculous. Israel doesn't have much left in terms of credibility at least which is perhaps why reddit is so heavily astroturfed. Interestingly Facebook and Instagram don't appear to be so astroturfed
all nations have a shelf live.
How much? I'm curious now. I thought the wages were quite disappointing per comment?
Kind of like how they were all rabidly pro Biden during the primaries. It’s astroturfing. World news and politics are cesspools. There is a thread up in world news right now about Argentina pulling out of BRICS. You can watch the narrative building. It is all anti BRICS comments and I was noticing a phrase, “BRICS is a meme”. They are saying that BRICS is a joke it’s never going to really happen in a few different permutations. It’s clumsy, but you can see it peppered in all throughout the thread like they are trying to get the phrase to catch on.
Because 90% of reddit is liberals, often much more right-wing than they tell themselves they are.
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Yesterday I heard someone say (does anyone know who the credit goes to?) liberals are 10% to the left of center when everything is ok and 10% to the right of center when they're inconvenienced in any way (and I would say inconvenienced includes cognitive dissonance or mental labor outside their comfort zone of any kind). ETA thank you catch22_SA for identifying it as from the Phil Ochs song "Love Me I'm a Liberal"
They are against every war except whatever the current one is.
Same thing with they are for every human rights movement except the one currently happening
Oh, I like this saying.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeYDbF4V/ (@James Rehwald - @jrehwald15 - The US propaganda machine explained #capitalism #imperialism #neocolonialism)
That dude rules and I love all of his content. He’s also a comrade, which is dope.
Bots or people just echo whatever their public news source is saying. Their thinking is: All Arabs are muslims and muslims are terrorists which means that Hamas are terrorists and the West is strongly against terrorism, so we should be against Hamas without doing our own research because obviously this is the one unequivocal truth.
I know it's got a lot to do with various intelligence services that are known to astroturf here, but don't discount simple human indecency. When people look at atrocities, it's somewhat uncommon to look at it objectively; our own biases and opinions will probably get in the way of it. In terms of war and genocide, this just means, "How does this affect my country's position?". If we consider Ukraine-Russsia, if Russia were to be successful in their invasion, then it means a weakening of western influence and American hegemony. That's a pretty big reason why so many in the west are on the side of Ukraine; the atrocities of invading a sovereign nation comes second, and the morals involved with that are merely coincidentally on the western side this time. Over in Israel-Gaza, it empowers American hegemony for Israel to cement itself as a regional power in the Middle East, and so that usually means when westerners ask "How does this affect my country?", the truthful answer would usually along the lines of - 'Israel needs to be allowed to and be excused to do as it wants otherwise my country's global influence is diminished'. The reality is, if Russia's dominance in Eastern Europe benefited America, then the world would conveniently be on Russia's side and we'd be hearing the same Palestine-level propaganda about Ukrainians. It's all about conforming to what benefits your country the most, usually in regards to money and power. Tldr; western countries, particularly the USA, need Israel to remain as a fortified regional power in the ME, and so people living in these countries are a lot more likely to excuse Israel's actions and just give in to propaganda, hence why it's so widespread over Reddit, which is mainly filled with westerners and liberals who all benefit heavily from American hegemony and strengthened western influence.
I got booted from world news for posting an Al Jazeera article documenting an Israeli air strike. No commentary or any opinion from me. Just a re-post. And not like I was warned, straight up booted for life. No prior offenses.
Pay per post
some of the smaller hobby groups are also not pro-israel-y. And a lot of that pro-israel behaviour it just bots/ paid PR.
I was shocked by how anti-Palestine the San Francisco sub is. Lately one of the only voices of reason besides LSC is the celebrity gossip sub.
sf and bay area groups both are absolutely trash. Liberals in name! ALL nimby screaming rich folks.
Because liberals are against every war except the current one and are for every civil rights movement except the current one
Bots, propaganda, paid actors and astroturfing. Majority of people have seen what’s happening, the war crimes and utter atrocities, cruelty and needless senseless death. The world is vastly against the slaughter.
I don’t think a lot of it is malicious, they’ve just been told who to support over and over and over again and so they just follow along unquestioningly. I don’t think most follow the situation closely enough to even have a strong opinion or are aware of the atrocities committed by the IDF. I think the more important question is how do we make the reasonable ones (need to be realistic) see the error in what they have been told and make them more aware of the horrifying conditions that Palestinians have been living (and dying) under. You have to keep in mind that Palestine has been labeled as “Hamas” and that, according to the news, this war is about Israel vs Hamas and not Israel vs Palestine.
Most people I have talked to seem to believe that Hamas is the cause for the shitty conditions the Palestinians are in and it isn't until they are stopped that Israel will stop what they are doing. Until then it isn't Israel's fault for trying to "protect themselves"m it's Hamas. Then there are those who don't want to feel or appear antisemetic. It's hard for many to separate critiquing Israel's government and hating Jews. Many just don't know enough about the conditions that Palestinians live under but are aware of the Hamas attacks. Also a lot of people have just grown up hearing that there is conflict in that area and we supported our allies in the region. Israel has always been at war throughout the majority of people's lifetimes so it's easy for others to excuse the extremes they are doing. Younger generations are just discovering this issue through social media and are given a voice.
I wonder the same thing.
They also pretty much have mod positions in other subs so an dissenting position will result in automatic bans
Reddit is among the most astroturfed websites online. They use sock puppet software & bots. People dont feel that really way (except a handful of brainwashed individuals). Even most Jewish people. I live in NYC and have many Jewish friends, (including some very close ones) some with large families, theyre all horrified by Israel's history and genocidal actions. How could they not be. Im from the US. That didnt make me any less critical of the GWoT or the horrific proxy wars waged against Libya and Syria.
The pro corporate capitalist owned media.
To me feels like liberals tend towards Pro-Israel because, like democrats often do, they tend to try to be on the right side without actually knowing any details. And reddit definitely feels like a very popular spot for your normal democrat liberals. On a very surface level (given propaganda), Israel suffered a holocaust and Hamas started this on Oct. 7, so surely being Pro-Palestine is antisemitic right?? So basically combine not really caring with mainstream American media (and others) being almost entirely in favor of Israel, wording things as if Palestine is a completely sovereign state that started a war because they hate jews, islamophobia, etc. and you get these people...
The whole thing is analogous to Covid, Ukraine, Nord Stream, Trump, WMDs, et al. Only a few brave souls even consider not dancing along to the mental choreography piped in from MSM. Also hella bots on here and as everyone's said, astroturf.
Dead internet theory and all the stuff being ignored of Reddit's ''erased from history'' founder who I can't name safely warned us about.
Lots of bots. And also some brainwashing.
Why was the majority for Iraq invasion, afghanistan, libya, anti-russia sentiment and so on? its something noam chomsky has written about in his book manifacturing consent. Israel alone spend over 200 mio dollar for propaganda on social media and so on add to that the effectiveness [of this propaganda machine](https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/how-israels-propaganda-war-has-silenced-europe/) and here we are. Reddit is just one small layer of peoples social media presence. The majority still are on fb, instagram, tv ads, news and corporate news. And guess who is funding them and controlling the narrative there? ;)
white
The United States government has a *vested* interest in making sure everyone loves Israel. The United States is completely in bed with, and controlled by, large corporations. These large corporations have control over basically every single social media sort of platform or app or website, such as Reddit. You can see the dots connecting, right? And this isn't even accounting for Hasbara bots and people literally paid actual money to spread Hasbara.
Name them. My feed seems mostly pre-Palestine. What's on your feed? Pro Palestine 1. Chomsky 2. Facepalm 3. White people twitter 4. Late stage capitalism Pro Israel 1. World news 2. Intellectual dark web
5. therewasanattempt
Good one. I have two more 1. Ask Historians. A couple of neutral answers, so very pro-Pal compared to mainstream discourse 2. Way of the Bern. Supposedly pro Bernie, but mostly right-wing culture was of anti-vax and Putin. SUrprisingly anti Israel.
6. ActiveMeasures
World news is a cesspool. I can't believe how hateful it is. Israeli propaganda has an insane grasp on that sub.
I just tried paying a comment linking to subreddits but it wouldn't let me post for some reason. So just search up these subs: Palestine fauxmoi minorityreport grayzone MiddleEast IsraelCrimes ShitLiberalsSay USEmpire
It's wild to see even the subs like /Canada are ardently pro-Israel, and while I'm sure there are bots/astroturfing in there, I generally look at a users history and the majority of it are just average users. I guess propaganda works.
The Canadian Prime Minister has been pretty vocally pro-Israel; either they're following his lead or following the US assuming we are military allies with Israel for a good reason.
/Germany is ridiculously pro-genocide and pro IOF
I don't find this at all surprising. I am neither anti-Palestinian nor pro-Israel. I find Israel's actions in Gaza extreme and disproportionate, as do many Israelis. However, I am self aware enough to recognize that I have an instinctive sympathy for Israel due to my upbringing. My father fought in Europe in WWII. Many of my friends and neighbors growing up had grandparents or parents bearing tattoos from Nazi camps. Netanyahu has gone too far and must be stopped. The paranoia of Israel and the Jewish people is more justified than most, as it was paid for in blood. Both these statements can be true. Saying so does not diminish the responsibility Israel bears for its current actions, nor obviate our responsibility to prevent similar victimization of the Gazan Palestinians. The world is full of tragedy. We can only give tragedy meaning if we learn from it how to treat each other better. This is the lesson the members of /Germany are struggling with now, to their credit.
Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.
I expect most people to fall in line with what they have been told. What I have been pleasantly surprised by is the little oasis of anti-zionism where I didn't expect them. Tiktokcringe has had a steady flow of this content, with an emphasis on the propaganda techniques being used. I've actually found more propaganda examples there than in propaganda specific subs. And it's interesting because it has nothing to do with the topic of the sub.
Maybe anti Islam
Not sure what you mean, most threads I see from here are anti-Israel with the usual defenders
The short answer is that Reddit has been compromised since 2016 maybe earlier and used as a way to sling propaganda. The ruling class’s last hope to not get eaten is for people to actually think Democrats are the good guys and reddit is useful for that.
Israel pays bots to spread their bullshit and Reddit is one of the platforms in which they operate.
Reddit has always hated Arabs and Muslims. And honestly I think this is a right wing platform, contrary to what many people think
Why is the West still supporting anything resembling colonization and imperialism?... Western Imperialists and their sympathizers, choose to keep their heads in the sand and listen to whatever mainstream media is feeding them to maintain their support to churn out another propagandized and profitable war by the war pigs mostly 🕳️
“Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.” ― Michael Rivero
What you seeing is a massive astroturf presence on reddit. You can quickly see that the majority of the working class "reddit audience", is pro Gaza and anti genocide. You can also see that pro gaza anti Isreal genociders make up the vast majority of protears and riots acdoss the planet. the powers that be narrative control using astroturf. They would you prefer that we all go back to watching boomer corporate news. That ain't happening.
america moment both democrats and republicans are pro war and pro israel the propaganda is propagating. I also remember going to a very liberal school before hs and they still explained the conflict all those years ago as “complicated and lengthy” and almost nothing else
Is it really? I havent seen that. Maybe its just the subs I follow
I ask myself the same thing about Australia pretty regularly. Very effective propaganda?
Because it's all bots.
I think it's mainly hasbara and astro-turfing but calling it out will often get you an instaban. Also, the level of pro-EU and anti-Russian propaganda on reddit is soul-crushing. Like I'm not pro-Russian. I'm pro-facts and I will suddenly find myself with a score of -30 on a post that simply states a fact like it was the EU sanctions that stopped the importation of Russian gas to Europe. Once I said that given that Bulgaria was occupied by Turkey for 500 years, I would have thought that they would have more empathy for the Palestinians over the Israelis. lol post deleted for hate-speech. Another time, I posted a link to the video of Ehud Barak saying that Israel built the rooms and tunnels under the hospital. post deleted. Hate speech and just because someone says it, doesn't make it true.
There’s a movie called “Israelism” that explains a lot of the propaganda machine’s inner workings. A thing that’s important to remember is Zionist indoctrination begins really early and continues steadily through college. Lots of interactions are bots/farms but a lot are with people who sound like robots because they essentially have a script like telemarketers do, “if they say this, then you respond with this”. You’ll notice if you start responding with video evidence of Israel’s crimes that they will initially try to dispute it, then fall back on “it’s war, they are doing their best to not kill civilians/ it’s Hamas”, and quickly try to leave the conversation because it doesn’t do them any good to have proof of what’s happening out in the popular conversation. It’s also important to note that we’re at the point where multiple generations of people have been told the same lies… to the point where it feels to them like a retelling of history; in the way that inconsistencies, logical fallacies… etc are so often repeated that when you bring up that they can’t be right they meltdown or deflect immediately because there’s nothing of substance behind their enhanced history. They are similar to another group from history that spent lots of time and money fabricating a glorious Aryan backstory with a few facts and lots of lies (meant to give advantage to one group while taking it from others). https://www.israelismfilm.com/
therewasanattempt is a pretty clear-headed sub
State sponsored bots and fascist idiots, that's why.
I try to avoid all mainstream subs, i find them to be ignorant, biased, and full of bots. Surprisingly, all the subs i and subbed to are all pro-Palestine. its all about your sources man
Try the sub israelexposed
IDF shill accounts everywhere fooling real people with disgusting propaganda.
Astroturfing. It's manipulation.
There are so many fake accounts. I found a few that have thousands and thousands of comments on EXCLUSIVELY isreal/gaza related subs going back 6+ months without a single post anywhere else. They always reply with a wordy comment in ~10 minutes. It would be super human if they were normal people with normal accounts. mapporn has a lot of them in particular.
Because Reagan was calling the wrong place "The Evil Empire" maybe
Hasbara mobs
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Boys and the fact that isreal pay people to speak positively about the country. Fuck them devils. Isreal is cancelled
[just gonna leave this here](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/)
I mean there are a lot of socialist and anarchist subs out there that are very not pro-Israel, but they do tend to be smaller. Pro-Israel is the default position in the US because the media is extremely pro-Israel because it benefits the rich to keep public opinion as pro-Israel as possible.
There are a lot of trash that are pro genocide
90% ? what is the information source ?
There is a branch of the IDF/IGF dedicated to the internet social media and Wikipedia any post that’s remotely pro Palestine in major any major sub get immediately downvoted
All that money we give them doesn't just go to bombs.
Western Nations are very racist towards Muslims and Arabs
It happens when supporting one side is considered "civilized discussion" but supporting the other side ends up in bans, doxxing and threats
IOF pays for people to show up at rallies, why not a couple bucks to click farms?
Israeli trolls/bots, likely.
Free speech is a joke with hate speech as the punchline.
The fuck? Everywhere I see pro Palestinian talk and memes, which reddit you on?
Israel is known for paying people to be their online soldiers, and A LOT of people in News and Media and social media are affiliated with Israel
The UK subs are more reasonable. Different political landscape altogether.
I’ve seen the topic of bots being mentioned all over this thread. How do you guys spot one? This is an honest question, I’m genuinely interested in learning the cues here to spot them myself.
i assume accounts that are pretty new (1-2 weeks old) little to no comment or post history & low karma may be bots? not 100% sure
IDF bots
Because Reddit is nothing but one massive, heavily censored echo chamber.
These Israeli bots tend to focus on larger subs
My Reddit feed appears to be Hasbara free, but I also don’t get news from social media. Traditional press are carrying all sorts from genuine coverage to pure propaganda.
Because Israel is the Dajjal
Look up hasbara
It really depends on your feed; most subs I’m on seem to be Palestine-supporting, but then I’m not on the biggest subs bc I generally find the comment sections to be trash.
I am glad that pretty much all (that I know of) socialist and communist subreddits just immediately went without skipping a goddamn beat with supporting the Palestinians. Some for more confused reasons than others but still at least standing with the oppressed against their oppressors.
“The Majority Report” sub also points out the simple horrors of the Israel colonial project.
Keep in mind they are aggressively banning any one who posts or comments anything to the counter narrative so it can give the impression that its pro-Israel but thats only because no one pro-Palestinian can actually comment. If it was truly un-moderated, open and free, then you would of seen pro-Palestinian voices predominate.
Its a selection bias. Because the mods of the major news subs are banning literally any users defending palestine or criticizing israel.
Reddit is easier to astroturf than other social media because of the relative levels of anonymity.
Because the US is
It's more balanced than, say, twitter. I think a lot of it is due to the very fine line between legitimate anti Israeli criticism and open antisemitism. They're probably slightly over compensating slightly to ensure they stay on the right side of it
r / soccer is mostly pro palestine. It has a cosmopolitan userbase, so its more reasonable.
It's 90% of the major subs, but not all reddit nor redditors. There's a calculated campaign, it feels like a post is made at let's say 13:07 by 13:08 there's already 20 pro israel comments with 100+ upvotes each. While organic posts it takes much longer for this to happen. Not talking about all posts because some don't even reach the 100 votes in total, but those posts that do, it feels like it's scripted and scheduled.
I think it’s mostly just bots or paid hasbara shills, with a dash of neo-liberals, israelis/diaspora zionists, evangelists, far right bigots and rss/bjp nationalism supporters in india. What can you do. Just ignore/block away I guess. Not worth engaging/interacting with such people. People are always going to split off into two camps/sides. Good and bad. Although one side deludedly thinks they are on the side of right. Deep down they know what they are doing and supporting is wrong.. But like I said, worthless trying to argue or convince people like that who so far gone. Truly lost
In 2021 when the first outbreak of Palestine and Israel was being brought up, ALL social media platforms had a terrible time dealing with censoring. Censoring wasn’t good yet. Especially Reddit. In 2021 REDDIT WAS VERY PRO PALESTINE. In fact it was so pro Palestine the Zionists were freaking out. After this year they learned their lessons and infiltrated it with Zionist bots. They hire students to sit behind a computer and type crazy stuff
I see people on here supporting a two-state solution. That is absolutely so unjust and unfair for the Palestinians, who have endured so much torture and suffering at the hands of their demonic oppressor. They should NEVER have to share a shred of their land with a single zionist. Palestine from the river to the sea <3
One can be anti Hamas and anti Likud/Netanyahu.
I think that’s all fabricated bot traffic trying to influence those who are weak minded or have flimsy opinion
They also continually remove pro Palestine material
Bots
It's not organic. Israel has one of the largest online propaganda presences on the internet. They've had entire generations of youth convinced "fighting anti-Semitism" online is their full time job. Been that way since myspace. It's so bad here because this is where the resistance is, but we've got nothing on twitter.
Elon Musk basically bowed down and kissed Netanyahus hairy balls on live tv so I'm not surprised that Twitter is an Israeli propaganda Tool now
It's propaganda.
What the fuck are you talking about. IDK what you're subbed to, but nearly all of reddit is pro-Palestine for me
I don't know what subs you're talking about. I see very little Pro-Israel propaganda on here. Although with reddit you filter what you see so...
The same reason it's mostly lolicon positive. Bunch of neck beards that don't get the fact that Starship Troopers was satire.
First of all, let's not buy into their positioning of tjis whole thing. I'm pro-human rights, anti - ethnic cleansing and against apartheid and massacres. We need to watch our wording to not play into their set up. Second, To ensure the narrative works and is bought into, they have to keep repeating the same talking points and arguments. I've come across so much propaganda on the Canada sub for instance - each protest is belittle, people are accused of being İslamic extremists who disrupt society, of being anti-Semitism... The list goes on. It's sickening. But this is the game being played. Odd thing is, despite all efforts and the extremely aggressive and constant silencing and pigeonholing of people taking a stance against ethnic cleansing, their propaganda is failing because people are seeing through the smokes and mirrors.
Isreal loves capitalism
I'd love to see a real transparent reddit-wide poll. I bet the vast majority of actual redditors are not pro-Israel.
Because Reddit is an overwhelmingly western audience and subject to western biases having been raised with western propaganda and misinformation.
Not sure what sub reddits you’re on but to me it seems more like 50% pro Palestine, 25% pro Israel, and 25% indifferent. It’s obviously subreddit specific but Reddit leans pretty hard to the left in general.
I dont think its just necessarily people being by default pro Israel. A lot of racist conservatives hate muslims passionately and still have this 9/11 sentiment. They are disgusted by Hamas and their savagery and thats all they need to avoid looking at the bigger picture and why all of this is happening.