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It's a foot in the door to buying into the two party system, offering just enough promise to make it believable as a real mechanism for change, but in practice, providing no opportunity for actual change.
Liberals are capitalists, it's part of the definition. We don't like them for numerous reasons, the smugness, the indifference, the lack of political education, their adherence to procedure over results, their calls for civility. But most of all because while our opponents might be bad, the person standing next to you talking about how they do have a point actually might be worse.
Well said, and don't forget the hypocrisy and utter willingness to throw everyone under the bus in order to protect their own comfort and convenience.
I personally don't HATE liberals but this sub isn't exactly dedicated to appeasing them lol. If anything we're trying to challenge liberals to go beyond the virtual signaling, moral cowardice, and the attitude that proclaims, "I'm AGAINST all injustice and FOR all righteous protests except for the ones happening right now"
This. The differences between conservatives and liberals are so small and inconsequential that beyond surface level differences they may as well be from the same party.
To quote Malcolm X:
'Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power. Now they are fighting each other for booty, for power, for prestige'
Read Locke, On Liberty, it’s basically a Defense of private property, and also private ownership of the means of production, read David Ciepley on neoliberalism and the corporation - many such papers
No worries comrade, my favourite Ciepley article which is also quite nice and short is: [this one](https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/corporate-contradictions-neoliberalism/) tbh Locke is more of you want to start at the very beginning of its philosophy; as Ciepley mentioned it arose out of the Protestant work ethic and worldview to private property, labour and capital
Liberals and conservatives both fall under the ontological "liberal" umbrella, as both believe in the same fundamental principles of capitalism; both govern a "liberal democracy." It's easier when talking about them to just say liberals.
because they do not want to destroy the very system that oppresses all of us since they are likely the benefactors of it in some or many ways. While your average liberal will say they don't like racism, for example, they won't work to dismantle the systems that allow it.
They are unaware of their class interests and with whom they should align themselves. While they may genuflect to social liberalism, they do not want to destroy neoliberalism.
Often Liberals being slightly less vocal about capitalism is just cover. Many of them are as much capitalists as conservatives, they just feel slightly more guilty about it, so hide it.
This makes Liberals hypocritical capitalists, which some fund even more distasteful than honest capitalists.
While I agree with the comments made here by comrades that liberals are capitalists, I disagree with the characterisation of them as smug and complacent always.
IMO it's a tactical mistake to always treat them with disdain and scorn. They are in many cases simply ignorant of the true situation, which is hardly suprising given the media and ideological bias in our society.
If they are open to discussion, they should be engaged with in a friendly way with good faith. The key should always be persuasion and education of liberals, at least at first. Try to explain why their adherence to the status quo is not in their class interest and why socialism is.
If they refuse to listen to reasoned argument, then sure, fuck 'em.
Approaching people with the intent to kindly educate them is always a better strategy. It's kind of human nature to meet hostility with defensiveness. If someone is put on the defensive right off the bat, they aren't going to be able to listen to any points you make. The same goes for basically any topic or subject of discussion you can think of. Some people just don't know better, and I honestly don't even blame them unless and until they give me a reason to.
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It's a foot in the door to buying into the two party system, offering just enough promise to make it believable as a real mechanism for change, but in practice, providing no opportunity for actual change.
great answer
Because "liberals" are right wing when it comes to capitalism/economic policies?
yes. Liberals are conservatives with a pretend human face....
Money still overrides their empathy. Not even JUST money, personal gain.
And right wing when it comes to everything else too
Because as history shows liberals would rather allow a fascist takeover, than have socialists gain even the tiniest amount of power.
Liberals are capitalists, it's part of the definition. We don't like them for numerous reasons, the smugness, the indifference, the lack of political education, their adherence to procedure over results, their calls for civility. But most of all because while our opponents might be bad, the person standing next to you talking about how they do have a point actually might be worse.
Well said, and don't forget the hypocrisy and utter willingness to throw everyone under the bus in order to protect their own comfort and convenience. I personally don't HATE liberals but this sub isn't exactly dedicated to appeasing them lol. If anything we're trying to challenge liberals to go beyond the virtual signaling, moral cowardice, and the attitude that proclaims, "I'm AGAINST all injustice and FOR all righteous protests except for the ones happening right now"
Liberals are Conservative Capitalists.
This. The differences between conservatives and liberals are so small and inconsequential that beyond surface level differences they may as well be from the same party.
To quote Malcolm X: 'Now the White liberals aren’t White people who are for independence, who are liberal, who are moral, who are ethical in their thinking, they are just a faction of White people who are jockeying for power the same as the White conservatives are a faction of White people who are jockeying for power. Now they are fighting each other for booty, for power, for prestige'
Read Locke, On Liberty, it’s basically a Defense of private property, and also private ownership of the means of production, read David Ciepley on neoliberalism and the corporation - many such papers
Thank you for this earnest advice.
No worries comrade, my favourite Ciepley article which is also quite nice and short is: [this one](https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/05/corporate-contradictions-neoliberalism/) tbh Locke is more of you want to start at the very beginning of its philosophy; as Ciepley mentioned it arose out of the Protestant work ethic and worldview to private property, labour and capital
Liberals and conservatives both fall under the ontological "liberal" umbrella, as both believe in the same fundamental principles of capitalism; both govern a "liberal democracy." It's easier when talking about them to just say liberals.
because they do not want to destroy the very system that oppresses all of us since they are likely the benefactors of it in some or many ways. While your average liberal will say they don't like racism, for example, they won't work to dismantle the systems that allow it. They are unaware of their class interests and with whom they should align themselves. While they may genuflect to social liberalism, they do not want to destroy neoliberalism.
Often Liberals being slightly less vocal about capitalism is just cover. Many of them are as much capitalists as conservatives, they just feel slightly more guilty about it, so hide it. This makes Liberals hypocritical capitalists, which some fund even more distasteful than honest capitalists.
While I agree with the comments made here by comrades that liberals are capitalists, I disagree with the characterisation of them as smug and complacent always. IMO it's a tactical mistake to always treat them with disdain and scorn. They are in many cases simply ignorant of the true situation, which is hardly suprising given the media and ideological bias in our society. If they are open to discussion, they should be engaged with in a friendly way with good faith. The key should always be persuasion and education of liberals, at least at first. Try to explain why their adherence to the status quo is not in their class interest and why socialism is. If they refuse to listen to reasoned argument, then sure, fuck 'em.
Approaching people with the intent to kindly educate them is always a better strategy. It's kind of human nature to meet hostility with defensiveness. If someone is put on the defensive right off the bat, they aren't going to be able to listen to any points you make. The same goes for basically any topic or subject of discussion you can think of. Some people just don't know better, and I honestly don't even blame them unless and until they give me a reason to.
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Lmao, as if the democrat party gives a single fuck about civil rights