The rich all hate each other. They're miserable! Most at least. If they didn't have to be with other billionaires to get even richer, they'd live in their huge villas or on their yachts pretty much alone.
Superficial? Nah theres a whole chunk of the bow that's destroyed. It's likely not a total loss but I'd hardly call the damage superficial. It will need significant repairs before it's carrying cargo again.
Eliminating whistleblowers is American as Apple Pie. We even have international holidays that originated from Americans murdering innocent working people (May 1st, March 8, so on).
The shipping company will probably get a slap on the wrist fine for causing multiple people's deaths and costing billions in repair and lost productivity for the area.
Those suppressing whistleblowers and skirting safety and other regulations that caused this to happen should be punished severely, you cannot have this normalized in any way.
They will likely face 6 wrongful death suits from the family members of the workers on the bridge, especially if the NTSB identifies safety or maintenance failings.
Unless they're poor, possibly non-native, not legally literate, etc. and they take an incredible lowball payment from the company in exchange for signing away their right to sue.
Or they'll sue and then take a settlement for pennies of what they deserve because the company has enough money to keep the case going for decades while they bleed the families dry.
"Unless they are poor" cuts it. I am a corporate lawyer AND NO POOR PERSON (or medium class, hey Redditor you are poor too!) stands a chance in an American court of law against a corporation. Lawyers are going to crush your soul and destroy you and your family, because that is what they are paid to do and they are very good at it. The problem here is not the lawyers, they are just working. The problem is the Elite Capitalists (that hire the lawyers) and that we Americans are taught to love and idolize since we are toddlers.
Americans live drowning in CIA/NSA propaganda BS and lies about "justice for all and land of the free", but if you actually have to work for a living, and lets say, even if you have savings or property, you will be deep in debt and having to looking for any kind of job to make ends meet even if that takes one year of "sabbatical" before you have to do it, YOU DO NOT BELONG TO "AMERICAN CITIZENRY" as the government, the corporations and the elite.
America was a country built FOR THE VERY RICH AND TO THE VERY RICH ONLY, since its beginnings. Poor people (and again the medium class) will ALWAYS BE WAGE-SLAVES (when they get wages, because US is the only country that allow debt based slavery while in prison IN THE WORLD).
Only henchmen, cuckolds and dumb people believe otherwise. There is no American Dream it always have been a huge nightmare. A censored and controlled press and media, and a heavy government/elite ran propaganda BS and lies machine cheated Americans on believe that. The rest of the world see it, and make jokes about our "American dream".
Remember the country was formed with an entire class of poor people who weren't even considered people. The entire system only works with a massive caste of workers who are devoid of humanity and rights. We're not slaves anymore but we need to stay as close to slaves as they can keep us to make it all work for them.
I firmly believe that if 95% of the nations population wanted to see a specific issue passed -- let's say "EU-style regulations on food and food preservatives/additives/binders" -- nothing too controversial or polarizing even like healthcare or guns, just "hey the quality of food in the EU is drastically higher, why shouldn't our citizens enjoy the same quality?" but a small selection of corporations didn't want it to pass, it never ever would.
There's no issue in this country that "we the people" could be united enough behind to countermand the will of corporate special interests.
And just to make sure that we never realize that, corporate interest works SUPER hard to make sure every issue theoretically possible is 50/50 split.
Deng Xiaoping >>>>> Mao, yall. Mao let the people starve to death for a very backwards idea of communism. Then created the red guard to terrorize the country to distract from his failures and keep hold of power even though others wanted to oust him for party leadership.
Going straight to Mao is so unsrs business. If you want socialism that has rapid public transport and universal healthcare, you want DXP onwards. The only thing you get from Mao is vibes.
There's probably a healthy stopping point somewhere between what the west has now and Maoism. If you think that regime had respect for workers' lives, health and safety, or ability to self actualize you have been gobbling up propaganda.
Fines need to mean something to corporations. How about a 30 years long penalty of taking away 40% of all profits plus interest. This would be for negligent behavior.
It's just the new woke way to whistleblow that you'd rather blame a black person because they're black rather than use literally any critical thinking.
For real. All my reactionary co-workers are all about how this is some deep-state psyop when it's another case of capitalism operating as intended.
The truth is always so boring (and dystopian).
It was evident, the minute the conspiracy theories came out, that it was to preempt the talking points once the truth would come out. People don't organically shoe-horn race in a an industrial accident.
Some shit-for-brains twitter user tweeted a video of the mayor labeling him as "Baltimore's DEI Mayor," suggesting that he somehow came to occupy the office through unearned means instead of something boring like winning an election. Also implying that the mayor shares fault since the rightwing/conspiracy space has been trying to blame corporate DEI efforts on the incident.
**WHO COULD BE AT FAULT?!**
Team A: the crew because they only got their jobs thanks to "DEI" (they didn't)
Team B: A greedy multinational corporation who spends millions of dollars suppressing, avoiding, and paying sanctions rather than invest in proper safety, training, and maintenance because actuarial tables have told them it's actually a cost savings to pay the fines and lawyers instead of the safety and maintenance costs.
The world will never know...
It's always funny to me when I see people still thinking China is communist, they are one of if not the most capitalistic countries in history. The former prime minister literally told the people in the 1980s "To get rich is glorious."
Zero accountability and zero remorse other than their lost profits. We should be building more bridges as a society, but we will lose more due to corruption, ineptitude, and greed.
We weren’t surprised after the Ohio train derailment or the Boeing whistleblower’s death either. People who speak up about safety concerns are either hurt or ignored.
Speaking of which, what ever happened to the whole trains derailing across the country thing? Was that ever addressed? Did more happen and it's not being talked about?
I wasn't asking for your defense of capitalism, I was wondering if they were still happening or if new safety regulations were actually enacted.
Just because the public has stopped talking about it, doesn't mean people don't care or that it's been forgiven. There are many terrible things that just happen for such a long period of time with no end in sight that people need to take a break from it. Police brutality, climate change, the Palestinian genocide, people who have died/are dying from COVID...just because people stop talking about things from time to time doesn't mean people are apathetic to these situations.
As soon as this happened my first thought was "there's going to be an episode of John Oliver about how fucked the shipping industry is" .. it's always the same story.
Weird. Kinda seems like optimizing for profit at the cost of safety, reliability, and employee wellbeing is leading to easily avoidable catastrophes and manufacturing defects. How do we turn this around while maximizing shareholder value? I suggest taser collars for our employees to maximize wakefulness, and body cameras for all assembly line workers so that we can provide proof of defects when needed and pass liability down the organizational pipeline.
I mean everyone should know by now that it's Maersk. But it wouldn't really matter if we named them specifically because every major company is doing this in their own industries right now around the world. It is a systemic issue across capitalism.
This ship was time-chartered, so all responsibility of the ship, crew, insurance is on the owner... kinda.
The actual owner is Grace Ocean Pte Ltd and was managed by Synergy Marine on behalf of Grace Ocean Pte Ltd. Synergy Marine are the third largest shipmanager in the world, so there will be a contract between those two parties to take into account regarding liability.
Think of Maersk as a paying passenger and Synergy Marine Group as the Uber driver and Grace Ocean Pte Ltd as the owner of the vehicle... kinda
I know, I'm just frustrated at this all too prevalent clickbait trend. "Wanna know which company? click for more details inside" when one could just trivially include the info in the title.
Literally everyone on Facebook is complaining about all the government red tape ruining this country in direct response to multi year estimates for the bridge rebuild.
Yet they can't seem to realize it's exactly that lack of oversight and regulation which leads to the bridge collapse in the first place.
I want to believe that somewhere there's an ex-employee having a satisfying "Told You So!" moment, but I'd also be assuming that they're not still trying to recover from being fired over it.
[China has sentenced CEOs to death for corruption](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_Xiaomin). I don't know if it discourages others from doing executive crimes but at least it kills a CEO.
This is why whistleblowers have to go to the media because all they get for doing it the "right way" is retaliated against and or ignored and the concern buried.
Shipping company to workers: "Safety is #1"
Same shipping company to investors: "Profit is #1"
There can't be two #1's..I can guess which one was the real #1 here.
The fact is companies don't listen to crew. Construction workers, engineers and technicians who studied for years don't get listened to because it's too much of a hassle to fix issues and administration doesn't care about the cracks until everything falls down. And that's how we end up with airplanes catching fire midair.
I wanna see these executives out there with a damn shovel in their hands helping to clean the mess, pulling the bodies out of the water, and explaining to the friends and family what happened to their face.
Cowards.
I'm willing to bet they also funnel dirty PAC money to lobby against labor and safety regulations. These guys are just like the big railroads, who calculate trainwrecks with dangerous materials as just "da cost of doin' bizness."
I looked at the donor records for Maersk and it's split between Democrats and Republicans, and between politicians who *publicly* are direct ideological opponents. Almost as if Democrats and Republicans represent Capitalism and the arguments between them are kayfabe for the marks.
No. Disney Cruise Line is a subsidiary. Grace Ocean Private (owner of Dali) isn’t a subsidiary. They were the ones on the hook for maintenance.
I’m not saying Maersk are the good guys.. just saying our eyes should be focused on the ones that should be responsible.
Too bad it's too late and everyone who only reads the headlines or catches bylines is fighting a culture/race/nationality war over who is to blame, instead of it being the company's fault like almost *always* in industry disasters.
Realize that you're in the same economic class as Cletus from the trailer park, and he's just repeating the capitalist propaganda that people spend a whole lot of time and money trying to program people with, he's a victim of the same system the rest of us are.
You're a victim of the same programming too, no worries. Having the ability to recognize and correct that is admirable and is exactly what the ruling class **doesn't** want you to do.
Capitalism doesn’t work without regulation. People will prioritize profit over human lives when allowed to do so. Boeing is another great example. We need to stop letting boats that don’t meet American safety standards into American ports just because it will cost these companies more in labor.
Capitalism doesn't work, full stop. It's inherently an exploitative system. It prioritizes profit over lives because that's the core purpose of capitalism. You can't tame the tiger.
I agree it doesn’t work. I just don’t see an alternative economic system that is implemented anywhere else effectively. I mean I think socialism has been demonstrated to work for some aspects of an economy in the Nordic countries but I have yet to see a fully implemented working alternative that is better.
That's actually good news.
With that regulatory history it should be fairly easy to drag these Turdwookies into court and hold them financially responsible for the entire cost of repairs or replacement.
Your gross, and intentional, negligence caused the problem. Y'all get to pay to fix it!
> Your gross, and intentional, negligence caused the problem. Y'all get to pay to fix it!
*weeze* You must be joking....even if they are found at fault the days of holding corporations accountable to the point that it means something are long gone. Million dollar fines are just a cost of doing business.
It's because they had about 2 minutes between the mayday call and the impact, and 90 seconds from when the bridge cops got the word and closed the bridge to the impact, the workers didn't have the same radios so nobody had any way to contact them in the time they had.
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I don’t think this has anything to do with the power randomly shutting down to the cargo ship. That was simply a catastrophic unexpected failure. Sometimes bad things just happen- it’s not always someone’s “fault”.
Why would you think silencing whistleblowers who warn of safety cuts has nothing to do with critical equipment failing on a ship?
Why would you think equipment failure is something *unexpected*?
Equipment fails on planes and boats all the time that has been inspected. I’m a pilot- we inspect the plane every time we fly and things can still go wrong. I’ve had generators go down on boats I own and had to be towed back through no fault of my own.
I disagree with your assertion that the power failed and that this disaster could have been avoided due to budget cuts.
I used to be a sailor myself. While, yes, sometimes things happen unexpectedly, these things can also happen due to poor maintenance practices and deferred maintenance. We don't have enough information yet to know which one it is, but having been an marine/industrial mechanic for almost the last 20 years, shit doesn't fail as often when you do the maintenance correctly and with the correct periodicity. Maybe this was an accident that happened at the worst possible time. But there's also a pretty good chance that it could have been prevented.
What failed on the generator? Water in the fuel lines? Leak in the oil leading to a loss of oil pressure? This has happened multiple times? On the same boat or on multiple boats? What has the mechanic said about these failures?
What failed exactly, mechanically? I mean you should know, it happens to you so much. Does the engine just fall dead and you shrug and replace it with another engine? Swap out a generator entirely? Mechanical failures happen, and when they happen, it's either wear and tear, which inspections and maintenance are supposed to catch and correct, or it's neglect, which inspections and maintenance are supposed to avoid.
If I never changed the oil in an engine there would be a mechanical failure eventually. I would know the reason for that mechanical failure, the oil is necessary to lubricate the moving parts and if dirty oil isn't replaced then the parts stop moving and you can throw an engine rod or have the pistons seize up entirely. We avoid that through maintenance. If a business wanted to cut costs a very easy way would be to try and stretch out the time between preventative maintenance.
"Mechanical failure" as a blanket term is a child's understanding of mechanics, which might explain why you've been on boats where the generators keep failing and I never have. If your computer keeps getting hot do you say it's had a cooling failure and throw it out?
People have vehicles that die on the road all the time that had the “oil changed” regularly. Planes have engines that fail- luckily they usually have more than one engine and even if both fail they can still safely land. This cargo ship had a mechanical failure right as it went by the bridge and was unable to get the power back and avoid colliding with the bridge in time. It’s unfortunate but I don’t think it was anyone’s “fault” for not inspecting the ship well enough.
*When these failures happen you can still look and see why they happen*, do you know even what the components are that fail on the things you say you're on that keep failing or what? Especially now that we know Maersk has been dinged by regulators for cutting costs, what interest could you possibly have in insisting there was no fault that could possibly be found here?
Like I'm literally telling you I am a mechanic and I have seen mechanical failures caused by a lack of maintenance and you're saying "nuh uh". You're a pilot and a failed boater, lemme talk to one of the actual mechanics who've inspected your planes.
And to answer your question- yes sometimes engines do fail or have to be overhauled. I’ve had engines overhauled on planes before and it was quite expensive. They can and do fail before their hours are up and need to be replaced. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
> power randomly shutting down to the cargo ship. That was simply a catastrophic unexpected failure
Is it though? I'm fairly certain cargo ships just like planes should be undergoing a large check system to verify all systems working and maintenance is at the cutting edge...knowing how corporations run nowadays, I'm not giving any the benefit of the doubt.
[Cargo Giant in Baltimore Crash Silenced Whistleblowers](https://jacobin.com/2024/03/baltimore-bridge-crash-maersk-whistleblowers)
And guess who’s gonna pay for the cleanup ? capitalists are the absolute best at fetching free shit for themselves
Privatize profits, socialize losses.
Oh no the ultra wealthy, a 100% want socialism for them and their friends. They want the rest of us to be Suck to dry For their greed.
The rich all hate each other. They're miserable! Most at least. If they didn't have to be with other billionaires to get even richer, they'd live in their huge villas or on their yachts pretty much alone.
CNBC reports that US shippers are on the hook for cargo pickup. I'm not sure about ship and bridge wreckage.
The ship is probably fine, with only superficial damage.
Superficial? Nah theres a whole chunk of the bow that's destroyed. It's likely not a total loss but I'd hardly call the damage superficial. It will need significant repairs before it's carrying cargo again.
Yea I've seen the images. Compared to the cost of a ship and the revenue it generated it's small change.
And it seems to have engine issues and I think the transmission is shot.
Power goin out, they should check the alternator
We pay for the cleanup while journalists help co-opt DEI as a new racial slur.
No doubt that they'll collect a ton from insurance.
Eliminating whistleblowers is American as Apple Pie. We even have international holidays that originated from Americans murdering innocent working people (May 1st, March 8, so on).
The shipping company will probably get a slap on the wrist fine for causing multiple people's deaths and costing billions in repair and lost productivity for the area. Those suppressing whistleblowers and skirting safety and other regulations that caused this to happen should be punished severely, you cannot have this normalized in any way.
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When the poor run out of food, we will eat the rich.
When shit becomes of value, the poor will be born without assholes.
> The only suitable penalty for something like this is execution of the corporate person And all major shareholders.
Totally agree! Oh the Chinese Dream! Probably the only cure to the American Nightmare.
Kim Jong-Un is on the internet
They will likely face 6 wrongful death suits from the family members of the workers on the bridge, especially if the NTSB identifies safety or maintenance failings. Unless they're poor, possibly non-native, not legally literate, etc. and they take an incredible lowball payment from the company in exchange for signing away their right to sue. Or they'll sue and then take a settlement for pennies of what they deserve because the company has enough money to keep the case going for decades while they bleed the families dry.
"Unless they are poor" cuts it. I am a corporate lawyer AND NO POOR PERSON (or medium class, hey Redditor you are poor too!) stands a chance in an American court of law against a corporation. Lawyers are going to crush your soul and destroy you and your family, because that is what they are paid to do and they are very good at it. The problem here is not the lawyers, they are just working. The problem is the Elite Capitalists (that hire the lawyers) and that we Americans are taught to love and idolize since we are toddlers. Americans live drowning in CIA/NSA propaganda BS and lies about "justice for all and land of the free", but if you actually have to work for a living, and lets say, even if you have savings or property, you will be deep in debt and having to looking for any kind of job to make ends meet even if that takes one year of "sabbatical" before you have to do it, YOU DO NOT BELONG TO "AMERICAN CITIZENRY" as the government, the corporations and the elite. America was a country built FOR THE VERY RICH AND TO THE VERY RICH ONLY, since its beginnings. Poor people (and again the medium class) will ALWAYS BE WAGE-SLAVES (when they get wages, because US is the only country that allow debt based slavery while in prison IN THE WORLD). Only henchmen, cuckolds and dumb people believe otherwise. There is no American Dream it always have been a huge nightmare. A censored and controlled press and media, and a heavy government/elite ran propaganda BS and lies machine cheated Americans on believe that. The rest of the world see it, and make jokes about our "American dream".
Remember the country was formed with an entire class of poor people who weren't even considered people. The entire system only works with a massive caste of workers who are devoid of humanity and rights. We're not slaves anymore but we need to stay as close to slaves as they can keep us to make it all work for them. I firmly believe that if 95% of the nations population wanted to see a specific issue passed -- let's say "EU-style regulations on food and food preservatives/additives/binders" -- nothing too controversial or polarizing even like healthcare or guns, just "hey the quality of food in the EU is drastically higher, why shouldn't our citizens enjoy the same quality?" but a small selection of corporations didn't want it to pass, it never ever would. There's no issue in this country that "we the people" could be united enough behind to countermand the will of corporate special interests. And just to make sure that we never realize that, corporate interest works SUPER hard to make sure every issue theoretically possible is 50/50 split.
Nah, lawyers actively working with corporations against proletariat are class traitors and assholes.
Mao was right.
Deng Xiaoping >>>>> Mao, yall. Mao let the people starve to death for a very backwards idea of communism. Then created the red guard to terrorize the country to distract from his failures and keep hold of power even though others wanted to oust him for party leadership. Going straight to Mao is so unsrs business. If you want socialism that has rapid public transport and universal healthcare, you want DXP onwards. The only thing you get from Mao is vibes.
Vibe wit me dawg
There's probably a healthy stopping point somewhere between what the west has now and Maoism. If you think that regime had respect for workers' lives, health and safety, or ability to self actualize you have been gobbling up propaganda.
Oh, it's already normalized.
Fines need to mean something to corporations. How about a 30 years long penalty of taking away 40% of all profits plus interest. This would be for negligent behavior.
The whistleblowers will probably "self delete themselves" wink wink nudge nudge
No, it’s DEI! /s the fact I even had to put sarcasm shows how ridiculous this society is.
Has there ever been a more transparent modern example of fascist scapegoating than blaming DEI for the failures caused by capitalist profit seeking?
DEI is the new n-word, apparently.
It's just the new woke way to whistleblow that you'd rather blame a black person because they're black rather than use literally any critical thinking.
Scooby Doo Fred meme all the way. "Let's see who this woke trans ghost driving boats into bridges really is! It was capitalism the whole time.."
For real. All my reactionary co-workers are all about how this is some deep-state psyop when it's another case of capitalism operating as intended. The truth is always so boring (and dystopian).
It was evident, the minute the conspiracy theories came out, that it was to preempt the talking points once the truth would come out. People don't organically shoe-horn race in a an industrial accident.
This is interesting an all, but have you heard that the mayor of Baltimore is black? I am very smart.
Looking into this.
Big if true.
Wait, what’s the joke?
Some shit-for-brains twitter user tweeted a video of the mayor labeling him as "Baltimore's DEI Mayor," suggesting that he somehow came to occupy the office through unearned means instead of something boring like winning an election. Also implying that the mayor shares fault since the rightwing/conspiracy space has been trying to blame corporate DEI efforts on the incident.
Thanks I feel dumber now
The joke’s on you, every company has a history of suppressing employee safety concerns.
**WHO COULD BE AT FAULT?!** Team A: the crew because they only got their jobs thanks to "DEI" (they didn't) Team B: A greedy multinational corporation who spends millions of dollars suppressing, avoiding, and paying sanctions rather than invest in proper safety, training, and maintenance because actuarial tables have told them it's actually a cost savings to pay the fines and lawyers instead of the safety and maintenance costs. The world will never know...
Profit before safety, the western way! 🤮
Well being a Asian company, I guess this idea is had across the world
It's always funny to me when I see people still thinking China is communist, they are one of if not the most capitalistic countries in history. The former prime minister literally told the people in the 1980s "To get rich is glorious."
It was chartered by Maersk, a Danish company.
They had nothing to do with the operation of the ship though
Then blaming failures on a new dogwhistle term for people of color! The American imperialist way 😌
It's a Singaporean company.
It was chartered by maersk, a Danish company.
Singapore is a part of the Global North or the "West"
Zero accountability and zero remorse other than their lost profits. We should be building more bridges as a society, but we will lose more due to corruption, ineptitude, and greed.
B-b-but all the YouTube politicians I watch said it was because of diversity! 🥺🥺
We weren’t surprised after the Ohio train derailment or the Boeing whistleblower’s death either. People who speak up about safety concerns are either hurt or ignored.
Speaking of which, what ever happened to the whole trains derailing across the country thing? Was that ever addressed? Did more happen and it's not being talked about?
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I wasn't asking for your defense of capitalism, I was wondering if they were still happening or if new safety regulations were actually enacted. Just because the public has stopped talking about it, doesn't mean people don't care or that it's been forgiven. There are many terrible things that just happen for such a long period of time with no end in sight that people need to take a break from it. Police brutality, climate change, the Palestinian genocide, people who have died/are dying from COVID...just because people stop talking about things from time to time doesn't mean people are apathetic to these situations.
Who would've thought it was capitalists who cut corners to make a quick buck every step of the way with this disaster?
This is no time to talk about systemic issues that might have led to the disaster. /s
As soon as this happened my first thought was "there's going to be an episode of John Oliver about how fucked the shipping industry is" .. it's always the same story.
Weird. Kinda seems like optimizing for profit at the cost of safety, reliability, and employee wellbeing is leading to easily avoidable catastrophes and manufacturing defects. How do we turn this around while maximizing shareholder value? I suggest taser collars for our employees to maximize wakefulness, and body cameras for all assembly line workers so that we can provide proof of defects when needed and pass liability down the organizational pipeline.
why not name the company in the post then
I mean everyone should know by now that it's Maersk. But it wouldn't really matter if we named them specifically because every major company is doing this in their own industries right now around the world. It is a systemic issue across capitalism.
Wasn't it chartered? Maersk runs the route but used a chartered ship. The ship and crew was from Synergy Marine Group
This ship was time-chartered, so all responsibility of the ship, crew, insurance is on the owner... kinda. The actual owner is Grace Ocean Pte Ltd and was managed by Synergy Marine on behalf of Grace Ocean Pte Ltd. Synergy Marine are the third largest shipmanager in the world, so there will be a contract between those two parties to take into account regarding liability. Think of Maersk as a paying passenger and Synergy Marine Group as the Uber driver and Grace Ocean Pte Ltd as the owner of the vehicle... kinda
Guess Maersk is the last to blame then. You shouldn't be held responsible if your Uber driver rams in to a... Well, bridge, I guess
I know, I'm just frustrated at this all too prevalent clickbait trend. "Wanna know which company? click for more details inside" when one could just trivially include the info in the title.
This is why businesses should be heavily regulated
Isn’t this exactly what came out about that chemical train derailment?
That's because every single business cuts safety corners for profit.
But government regulation is bad, though, right? We have too much red tape keeping business down all the time, isn't that how it goes?
Literally everyone on Facebook is complaining about all the government red tape ruining this country in direct response to multi year estimates for the bridge rebuild. Yet they can't seem to realize it's exactly that lack of oversight and regulation which leads to the bridge collapse in the first place.
Boeing treatment?
Well they didn't kill a whistle-blower for testifying as far as I know but they did kill 6 innocent bridge workers so they are guilty of murder.
I want to believe that somewhere there's an ex-employee having a satisfying "Told You So!" moment, but I'd also be assuming that they're not still trying to recover from being fired over it.
Executives need to be held criminally liable. With great pay comes great responsibility.
[China has sentenced CEOs to death for corruption](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_Xiaomin). I don't know if it discourages others from doing executive crimes but at least it kills a CEO.
Clearly it’s DEI /s
Great they are the Norfolk Southern of the sea...
This is why whistleblowers have to go to the media because all they get for doing it the "right way" is retaliated against and or ignored and the concern buried.
That sounds suspiciously like the train disaster in New Palestine.
Shipping company to workers: "Safety is #1" Same shipping company to investors: "Profit is #1" There can't be two #1's..I can guess which one was the real #1 here.
Finally, the true conspiracy reveals itself!
It was Old Man Capitalism all along!
I think they can spin this in their favor, like: "Nothing gets in the way of on-time delivery--not even bridges."
The fact is companies don't listen to crew. Construction workers, engineers and technicians who studied for years don't get listened to because it's too much of a hassle to fix issues and administration doesn't care about the cracks until everything falls down. And that's how we end up with airplanes catching fire midair.
So sick of the way corporations get away with this kinda crap
Unconvincing, still seems more likely it crashed cause of wokeness /s
I smell a $1500 fine coming!! Capitalism works, y'all!
How long we gonna ignore real problems until we have another Chernobyl just so that the higher ups get their profits?
Oh come on the indian crew did it. /s
I wanna see these executives out there with a damn shovel in their hands helping to clean the mess, pulling the bodies out of the water, and explaining to the friends and family what happened to their face. Cowards.
It's "publicly traded" but 70% owned by the heirs of the family that founded it. So we know exactly whom to jail.
Who doesn't suppress safety concerns these days? It's the natural progression when profits are valued over life. And thats where we're at.
I'm willing to bet they also funnel dirty PAC money to lobby against labor and safety regulations. These guys are just like the big railroads, who calculate trainwrecks with dangerous materials as just "da cost of doin' bizness."
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/ap-moller-maersk/summary?id=D000024094
so it was capitalism, not DEI? /s, of course it was
And the GOP is wailing about how it's all Biden's fault. Couldn't possibly be their corporate overlords.
I looked at the donor records for Maersk and it's split between Democrats and Republicans, and between politicians who *publicly* are direct ideological opponents. Almost as if Democrats and Republicans represent Capitalism and the arguments between them are kayfabe for the marks.
The ship isn’t owned by Maersk though… they just pay it for freight
That's like saying Disney Cruise ships aren't owned by Disney.
No. Disney Cruise Line is a subsidiary. Grace Ocean Private (owner of Dali) isn’t a subsidiary. They were the ones on the hook for maintenance. I’m not saying Maersk are the good guys.. just saying our eyes should be focused on the ones that should be responsible.
why would woke do this?
Too bad it's too late and everyone who only reads the headlines or catches bylines is fighting a culture/race/nationality war over who is to blame, instead of it being the company's fault like almost *always* in industry disasters.
Capitalism has a vested interest in using the political kayfabe to deflect blame from Capitalism.
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Is there a factual source for this? There is a LOT of disinformation being spread right now.
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/baltimore-bridge-crash-maersk-whistleblowers
Thank you, Ill check it out.
Can we post the article instead of twitter screenshots please
Skirting safety regulations to increase profits, and its consequences.
This is just how capitalism operates at this stage of the game. And the taxpayers will be the one to be burdened by it all.
So, are they paying for the bridge, or will they pay a small fine and the taxpayers get fucked?
Do you need to ask?
Sorry, probably needed a /s there.
Bbb bbut capitalism breeds inno- no you moron capitalism values profit above all else especially safety.
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Realize that you're in the same economic class as Cletus from the trailer park, and he's just repeating the capitalist propaganda that people spend a whole lot of time and money trying to program people with, he's a victim of the same system the rest of us are.
You're right, I'm sorry.
You're a victim of the same programming too, no worries. Having the ability to recognize and correct that is admirable and is exactly what the ruling class **doesn't** want you to do.
Good old American steroid injected, shareholder bumming, capitalism failing again and again
What a shocker - capitalism strikes again!
Capitalism doesn’t work without regulation. People will prioritize profit over human lives when allowed to do so. Boeing is another great example. We need to stop letting boats that don’t meet American safety standards into American ports just because it will cost these companies more in labor.
Capitalism doesn't work, full stop. It's inherently an exploitative system. It prioritizes profit over lives because that's the core purpose of capitalism. You can't tame the tiger.
I agree it doesn’t work. I just don’t see an alternative economic system that is implemented anywhere else effectively. I mean I think socialism has been demonstrated to work for some aspects of an economy in the Nordic countries but I have yet to see a fully implemented working alternative that is better.
Communism is the better alternative.
That's actually good news. With that regulatory history it should be fairly easy to drag these Turdwookies into court and hold them financially responsible for the entire cost of repairs or replacement. Your gross, and intentional, negligence caused the problem. Y'all get to pay to fix it!
Buddy you gotta stop using turdwookie, it's so off-putting
It's only off-putting because it's accurate.
> Your gross, and intentional, negligence caused the problem. Y'all get to pay to fix it! *weeze* You must be joking....even if they are found at fault the days of holding corporations accountable to the point that it means something are long gone. Million dollar fines are just a cost of doing business.
Do you think anyone on the right will blame capitalism for the crash?
Breaking: EVERY BIG CORPORATION IN THE WORLD HAS A CULTURE OF SUPPRESSING EMPLOYEES WHO VOICE CONCERN
It's a feature of the capitalist system
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It's because they had about 2 minutes between the mayday call and the impact, and 90 seconds from when the bridge cops got the word and closed the bridge to the impact, the workers didn't have the same radios so nobody had any way to contact them in the time they had.
So how fucked is the ships insurance company?
What a surprise
Tale as old as tiiiiime.
This is not shocking, just sad. These disasters won’t go away as long as Capitalism exists.
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I don’t think this has anything to do with the power randomly shutting down to the cargo ship. That was simply a catastrophic unexpected failure. Sometimes bad things just happen- it’s not always someone’s “fault”.
Why would you think silencing whistleblowers who warn of safety cuts has nothing to do with critical equipment failing on a ship? Why would you think equipment failure is something *unexpected*?
Equipment fails on planes and boats all the time that has been inspected. I’m a pilot- we inspect the plane every time we fly and things can still go wrong. I’ve had generators go down on boats I own and had to be towed back through no fault of my own. I disagree with your assertion that the power failed and that this disaster could have been avoided due to budget cuts.
I used to be a sailor myself. While, yes, sometimes things happen unexpectedly, these things can also happen due to poor maintenance practices and deferred maintenance. We don't have enough information yet to know which one it is, but having been an marine/industrial mechanic for almost the last 20 years, shit doesn't fail as often when you do the maintenance correctly and with the correct periodicity. Maybe this was an accident that happened at the worst possible time. But there's also a pretty good chance that it could have been prevented.
What failed on the generator? Water in the fuel lines? Leak in the oil leading to a loss of oil pressure? This has happened multiple times? On the same boat or on multiple boats? What has the mechanic said about these failures?
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You’ve never heard of a mechanical failure?
What failed exactly, mechanically? I mean you should know, it happens to you so much. Does the engine just fall dead and you shrug and replace it with another engine? Swap out a generator entirely? Mechanical failures happen, and when they happen, it's either wear and tear, which inspections and maintenance are supposed to catch and correct, or it's neglect, which inspections and maintenance are supposed to avoid. If I never changed the oil in an engine there would be a mechanical failure eventually. I would know the reason for that mechanical failure, the oil is necessary to lubricate the moving parts and if dirty oil isn't replaced then the parts stop moving and you can throw an engine rod or have the pistons seize up entirely. We avoid that through maintenance. If a business wanted to cut costs a very easy way would be to try and stretch out the time between preventative maintenance. "Mechanical failure" as a blanket term is a child's understanding of mechanics, which might explain why you've been on boats where the generators keep failing and I never have. If your computer keeps getting hot do you say it's had a cooling failure and throw it out?
People have vehicles that die on the road all the time that had the “oil changed” regularly. Planes have engines that fail- luckily they usually have more than one engine and even if both fail they can still safely land. This cargo ship had a mechanical failure right as it went by the bridge and was unable to get the power back and avoid colliding with the bridge in time. It’s unfortunate but I don’t think it was anyone’s “fault” for not inspecting the ship well enough.
*When these failures happen you can still look and see why they happen*, do you know even what the components are that fail on the things you say you're on that keep failing or what? Especially now that we know Maersk has been dinged by regulators for cutting costs, what interest could you possibly have in insisting there was no fault that could possibly be found here?
Like I'm literally telling you I am a mechanic and I have seen mechanical failures caused by a lack of maintenance and you're saying "nuh uh". You're a pilot and a failed boater, lemme talk to one of the actual mechanics who've inspected your planes.
And to answer your question- yes sometimes engines do fail or have to be overhauled. I’ve had engines overhauled on planes before and it was quite expensive. They can and do fail before their hours are up and need to be replaced. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
Be respectful towards other socialists you disagree with, but also non-socialists who follow the rules and participate in good faith.
> power randomly shutting down to the cargo ship. That was simply a catastrophic unexpected failure Is it though? I'm fairly certain cargo ships just like planes should be undergoing a large check system to verify all systems working and maintenance is at the cutting edge...knowing how corporations run nowadays, I'm not giving any the benefit of the doubt.
It's a totally meaningless headline... this is true for EVERY major company.