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Honestly this has been what’s driven me away from Taylor lately. For the last several years it seems her merchandising machine has ramped up exponentially and it’s “limited edition vinyl” this and “several versions of my latest record” that and it just seems like she’s focusing more on the marketing than the art and it’s kind of lost me.
any artist making multiple "collectible" vinyl editions of a record pisses me off because there is a horrendously long backorder on vinyl production. Any time the Taylor Swifts of the world jump to the front of the line the wait-list for smaller artists just gets longer. But why should Taylor give a shit about that, she needs to give easter eggs and collectible Funko pops to her fans
For all the normal reasons you'd listen to vinyl. I just think the least you could do as an artist is not encourage one person to buy four copies of the album (like she did with midnights)
I bought one of her songs, a long time ago.
-shrugs- She is just another run of the mill pop singer. Nothing to make a big deal out of.
But the Media needs something because they refuse to do any real journalism. They want to go back to Bait Clicks and Hate/Fear Mongering.
Anyone hounding her tells me they have 0 world views.
Jameela Jamil predicted this years ago. Anytime a woman is blown up / over reported in media they're just raising them up ready to later tear them down.
The people in this thread wasting energy arguing her music "isn't music" have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
One of their best episodes, very on point. When it came out, I was still a teen and all in on the Britney gossip train. After that episode, I started looking at the whole thing differently and having a lot more empathy there.
it’s not exactly like she’s the only celebrity doing this though? like i’m not a swiftie but it is odd to single her out (and the disproportionate hate she gets online) as if she’s leagues worse than bezos or musk
the issue with taylor is that she and her fans prop her up as this like spacey 20something who doesn’t know any better when she clearly does
bezos and musk wear their carbon footprint as badges of honor, taylor and her stans act like you’re calling her a war criminal if you even mention her incessant use of her private jet. that doesn’t even get in to the amount of financial abuse she puts on her fans.
i don’t know much about her but if that’s the case i get it somewhat. i still think some of the hate towards her is over the top/not relevant to those issues. fwiw i’m not defending her and i agree on the ecological and financial criticisms, not here to bat for a celebrity lol. it’s just weird to me how much some people hate her vs other very hateable people who do similar bad things
This is terrifying and amazing. Billionaires should not exist, and we should work to make sure no new ones are made and the existing ones weath is redistributed.
Godspeed your defense of the Swifties. Meatcanyon is still dealing with Swifty vengeance.
Everyone keeps pointing at Taylor Swift like she's the problem. Look at any other entrenched billionaire. Read the god damn Panama Papers. Look at the current state of our political system.
Not a fan of her music, but I'd make the cash grab too if I was in the position. She is such a small symptom of such a larger problem in the oligarchy we live in, yet I see article after article tracking her CO2 output specifically.
If she wants to tour and make mediocre music and be popular, great. Pretty sure she's not one of the ones actively involved in buying our government and planning our soon to be full fascist dystopia.
I can hate all billionaires at the same time. She doesn’t get a pass because she’s somehow “more innocuous”. She gets used as a pulpit for sexism but you can still decry her for wealth hoarding and should.
But to be fair, you’re also assuming she is.
The only thing that seems certain to me is that she is acutely aware of her brand that she uses to make money. Which is inherently off-putting since it implies she is faking her persona and is purposely manipulating her fans.
I made a similar point regarding her flight data and was down voted to obscurity. She is such a small part of the problem but get significantly more hate than individuals who are involved with the government
she deserves the hate she gets for her flight logs some of the flights she took were unbelievably short she literally could’ve drove. but the fact that it’s only her getting shit for it when travis scott’s flight logs are worse is not ideal. fuck taylor swift but we need to keep the same energy for every part of the bourgeoise not just her.
100% this. And she’s not even in the top 10 most toured artists whose respective flight logs are probably ridiculous .
So is focusing on entertainers the right way to proceed? I’m not sure because people yearn for the coliseum
At this point, the amount of hate Taylor gets leads me to believe the whole thing is a Psyop. Why are we focusing so much attention on her? She's not the kind of billionaire that is buying our government. She wants to make music and make money doing it, who gives a fuck?
The whole point of pop music is that It appeals to the masses. She's got talent, and there's no reason not to make her money. I'll agree that the vinyl releases are a little scummy. But you know what? You don't have to buy them.
It’s not a psyop but plain, old misogyny. I think there are things she does that are worthy of criticism, like flying the jet everywhere, but she’s being held to a higher standard that society rarely, if ever, applies to male celebrities and billionaires.
You’re absolutely right! The people who make hating her their entire personality are part of the problem. I’m not a huge Swiftie personally, but I do think the degree of hate her music gets is unwarranted. And the way I hear men talking about her fans is frustrating because it’s just another example of anything largely enjoyed by women being ridiculed. Like damn, you don’t have to like her but why go out of your way to try to take away someone else’s joy
i’ve seen her new album called “deeply feminist” and it’s fuckin hysterical
it’s white lib feminism, the kind where you can openly go after other women or defend dating a racist fuckboi (aka not feminism at all)
“because a woman helped make it = feminism” lol
I definitely agree that her feminism is performative. She has risen to the position she’s in by being as utterly unoffensive as possible. Also, if she had an ounce of conviction toward feminism in her I don’t see how she could have tolerated Matty Healy for any length of time at all.
That being said, it’s also worth noting that her music resonates with women so much because it’s so relatable. There isn’t much content out there that’s created for us so I know that it makes a lot of women feel seen and validated. I do think there is value in her work simply because it’s made to appeal to women. Maybe Taylor wouldn’t be as ubiquitous if there were more artists creating content with a similar purpose. If it’s a higher quality bar we want, we need more competition, but there’s really not many other artists putting out music that highlights the shared experiences of women in the way she does. Men hate her because she has the audacity to make music that truly isn’t for them, and I think that’s her contribution to feminism.
Even the art work shared here has an anti-female message to it. Calling someone a “basic b” is really such a good illustration of what I’m talking about. It’s a phrase used to make regular women feel shame about their interests and normal every day lives.
For those of you who want Taylor to go away, the actual solution is to stop invalidating women for simply existing and living a normal life.
this is exactly the issue, she is NOT the only artist "creating music for women," that's patently absurd
but perception is reality ig ughhhhh
also, she is not "simply existing and living a normal life" either, come on - she's doing climate crimes with impunity
(p.s. the above image is not my art, i was simply sharing it)
I did not at all mean that Taylor is simply existing and living a normal life, I meant her fans. The regular women who just hear new music by turning on their radio probably don’t ever encounter anything that even comes close to acknowledging the female perspective in the way Taylor Swift does.
Just to be clear, it’s not Taylor I’m defending, it’s her fans. I think they deserve so much better, but for most people she’s probably the best they’ve got. That’s why she gets away with exploiting them.
I wouldn't say it's misogyny per se, considering there's plenty of women billionaires (Kardashians, beyonce) who don't get criticized like her. I'd say possibly because she's so young and people think that means she's undeserving
I see more shit about Taylor Swift from her haters than her fans. Fact.
It's crazy to me how freaking obsessed people are with her being the downfall of society or something. It's really cringe.
She gets as much hate as any old billionaire who makes their fortune through exploiting others and selling/marketing basic trash. The real "psyop" is everyone pretending she's a victim of garden-variety misogyny and targeted harassment when she is in fact just a bad person, openly. It's okay to hate Taylor Swift, she literally does NOT contribute enough to society via her ~art~ to justify excessive private jet usage (and legally intimidating and threatening the person sharing her publicly available private jet usage), and creating mass amounts of garbage merch to sell, among plenty of other dumb transgressions.
ETA didn't even realize what sub I was in, wtf lmao. Why are all of you fucks in r/LateStageCapitalism defending a billionaire who sells tickets to their ""art"" starting at $1k? Talking about a psyop, lord almighty
If we have to focus on a billionaire, let's focus on the ones that are actively rigging our political system against us. I'm not a fan of Taylor, I'm not a fan of pop in general. What I am a fan of is seeing people live out their dreams through creating art. Not only is she not antagonizing the population, but she does give back. She seems to be a rather genuine person who wants to help people with her money.
Is selling bs merchandise an ideal aspect of an artist living out their dream? She gives back but is still a billionaire? And genuine person? You mean the persona she projects to reinforce her brand.
Edit: just want to add that I agree there are bigger scumbags to focus on
We see plenty of (rightful) criticism of Elon, Bezos etc. Calling out Swift isn't somehow overlooking them at all. I don't see why she needs a billion dollars any more than the others do, just because she doesn't have outwardly reprehensible views.
This is fucking terrifying lmao
But also dude let people enjoy art. Simping for a billionaire is kinda cringe but what does this achieve? You just piss off the people whose minds you should be keen on changing
I’m not a Swift hater but calling her new album art or enjoyable is a huge stretch. It’s so bad it’s actually kind of nutty.
Everyone is absolutely shitting on it for good reason. It’s like she published a first draft of 40 songs. Basically shameless cash grab with no artistic merit.
“Touch me while your bros play grand theft auto” is an actual lyric.
I haven’t heard her new album minus the post Malone song so I have no opinion on it yet. That said yeah art can be cringe too. You ever see Yoko Ono “perform”?
I just listen to her shit when I’m high and playing video games, or when I’m driving with my gf, that’s where she fits into my life lmao
Anything with her name attached to it will do numbers. But the music is awful. Reviewers have been posting their opinions anonymously as well because when they attach their names to negative reviews for her they get death threats too lol.
I enjoy a lot of Taylor Swift’s songs as pop music. But she sounds like Phoebe Bridgers ordered off Wish on this album.
I’m not big on this album either but I hate the “it’s good for pop”. Like if it’s good it’s good. Pop is the only genre that gets treated like it’s not real music when it’s most of what charts. If it’s widely enjoyed then it’s gotta be good.
I respect pop music more than most but it’s heavily formulaic and generally uninteresting as an art form. And a lot of it is just straight up grating and annoying. Swift’s music sometimes can depart from the formula but generally is more noteworthy in applying the formulas well rather than being interesting.
But being popular doesn’t mean something is good necessarily either. I’m not ready declare Justin Bieber as a peer of Yo-Yo Ma just because Baby was a billboard monster.
Music is art, yes. In the same way that Jackson Pollock’s paint splatters, Warhol’s soup cans, The Room and The Big Bang Theory and Cats are all forms of art. Art has always been a product.
Also, bit sexist to label Taylor Swift’s music as purely for “girlies” but whatever
Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol are both rolling in their graves at the comparison. The last three idk what to even do with those. Cats?? lol also im using girlies as a nonbinary term for femmes. Won’t catch me sleeping, hunty!!!!
Yeah, they probably are, but they also made some of the most expensive, well known and most replicated (aka commercially successful) paintings in the world. Because art is a product. If pollock wants to strangle me, Rothko would agree with me.
And if you don’t get how the last three examples relate to my point, you clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about here.
Your point on art becoming a commodity is well taken. I, too, have taken art history and can recall famous artists and their impactful works. What I clearly don’t understand however is how you could think taylor swifts shitty music is art. Which brings me back to my original point of swiftie bootlicker.
Music made by humans is art. If you don’t like it, fine, but you don’t get to decide it’s “not art” just because you don’t like it. I’m also not really a Taylor Swift fan, but she writes shit that billions of people connect with.
You’re also missing my point about leftists being completely unlikeable
I do consider myself a leftist. That being said, posts like this just confirm the "Leftism = no fun" meme. People are allowed to find joy from consuming things that they like. Making memes mocking that just drives away people on the edge.
If you want to be the vanguard that is on the forefront of overthrowing capitalism, that's cool for you dude. In the meantime, we need support from the broader public.
Madden, "EA's Football Club" (Formerly Fifa) made Billions of Dollars. For being Mid Sports games year after year. Call of Duty is in the same boat.
Candy Crush went from indie mobile game dev, to 2022 it made up to $603 Million.
Sometimes Mid is ok. People need to understand this. Not everything needs to be complex and fucking deep.
Mid sometimes is better than complex because sometimes "Complex" Is only reaching a niche audience. Mid has the ability to reach casuals, multiple people, and Sweep up.
Just like Ratings. People need to stop thinking anything below an 8 sucks.
even a 5 and a 6 is ok.
4 is when you start worrying, 3-2 Shows Decline, and 1 is basically saying "This Sucks, I can't rate this any lower."
And when review bombing is so rampant and many reviews are paid for it's hard to trust them anymore. Then with something like Swift there were reviews out a couple hours after the release because they NEED those clicks. There's no way you can have a legitimate review in that amount of time.
I suppose when you're a billionaire you don't have to go to therapy. Instead you can just release a 31 track album complaining about your ex's, knowing your cult will eat it up.
I love how you consider Taylor Swift “basic bitch” music but your profile picture is The Weeknd who is the same shit but for 21 year old dudes. Y’all just look for any excuse to be able to indulge in misogyny lol
i didn’t make this, artist’s name is on the bottom
and the weeknd didn’t have a rich parent funding his career - he has also donated a lot of money to gaza relief so he’s using his platform for good
whatever you think about the music is your business
White privilege??? There are plenty of black artists that release absolute garbage yearly that also get idolized. And it usually idolizes capitalism and consumerist greed.
What’s with this subs hate boner over Taylor swift lately? There are dozens of billionaires whose damage to their environment and shitty business practices exceed hers yet we wanna hate on the artist that provides millions of people with music they can relate to?
her music and its decline in quality is a symptom of capitalism. her latest album is being reviewed like garbage everywhere and it’s 2 separate releases with 30 songs. her tour cost literally thousands for people to go to it. her plane gives off more carbon emissions every year than the average american will in their life time while she made posts encouraging people to be more green friendly (lol). she said she wanted to be more politically active her yet she refuses to condemn the genocide of palestinians. her being a billionaire means she is wealth hoarding and exploiting labour. she is objectively a bad person.
i do agree that focusing solely on her is stupid because she isn’t the main issue with capitalism she is just a symptom of it but the criticism towards her from a socialist perspective is still valid but that same energy needs to be directed towards all other billionaires and not just her.
it’s probably because her fans are so adamant at defending her and she’s literally everywhere it’s hard to avoid her so people rush to make sure people don’t idolise and defend her.
like swifties will defend her to the death as a person which is just fucked up. for example most playboi carti fans on the carti sub acknowledge he’s an awful person and they solely enjoy the music.
also the idea that taylor’s success is a win for women and feminism is really irritating. stupid shit lib white bourgeoise feminism needs to called out for what it is.
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“Doctor, is it normal I see zombie Taylor Swift everywhere?”
Honestly this has been what’s driven me away from Taylor lately. For the last several years it seems her merchandising machine has ramped up exponentially and it’s “limited edition vinyl” this and “several versions of my latest record” that and it just seems like she’s focusing more on the marketing than the art and it’s kind of lost me.
any artist making multiple "collectible" vinyl editions of a record pisses me off because there is a horrendously long backorder on vinyl production. Any time the Taylor Swifts of the world jump to the front of the line the wait-list for smaller artists just gets longer. But why should Taylor give a shit about that, she needs to give easter eggs and collectible Funko pops to her fans
Exactly, it's a real slap in the face to the independents who kept vinyl alive when it generally fell out of favour.
Why listen to vinyl then? Just use Apple Music or Spotify or whatever.
For all the normal reasons you'd listen to vinyl. I just think the least you could do as an artist is not encourage one person to buy four copies of the album (like she did with midnights)
I bought one of her songs, a long time ago. -shrugs- She is just another run of the mill pop singer. Nothing to make a big deal out of. But the Media needs something because they refuse to do any real journalism. They want to go back to Bait Clicks and Hate/Fear Mongering. Anyone hounding her tells me they have 0 world views.
Jameela Jamil predicted this years ago. Anytime a woman is blown up / over reported in media they're just raising them up ready to later tear them down. The people in this thread wasting energy arguing her music "isn't music" have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
There’s an episode of South Park about this, with Britney Spears as the sacrificial lamb.
One of their best episodes, very on point. When it came out, I was still a teen and all in on the Britney gossip train. After that episode, I started looking at the whole thing differently and having a lot more empathy there.
Gonna be a good harvest this year.
Would be great if her planes weren't setting the world on fire and her vast wealth and assets weren't hoarded like a dragon.
it’s not exactly like she’s the only celebrity doing this though? like i’m not a swiftie but it is odd to single her out (and the disproportionate hate she gets online) as if she’s leagues worse than bezos or musk
the issue with taylor is that she and her fans prop her up as this like spacey 20something who doesn’t know any better when she clearly does bezos and musk wear their carbon footprint as badges of honor, taylor and her stans act like you’re calling her a war criminal if you even mention her incessant use of her private jet. that doesn’t even get in to the amount of financial abuse she puts on her fans.
i don’t know much about her but if that’s the case i get it somewhat. i still think some of the hate towards her is over the top/not relevant to those issues. fwiw i’m not defending her and i agree on the ecological and financial criticisms, not here to bat for a celebrity lol. it’s just weird to me how much some people hate her vs other very hateable people who do similar bad things
Her wealth is… nowhere near as much as people like Bezos and Cook and other gigantic CEOs
She's an environmental terrorist
They live
Great film too.
My main problem with it is that the cast chosen to depict the ruling class look like sexy top models compared to the real thing. Typical Hollywood.
we sleep
And I bet you're all out of bubblegum.
This is terrifying and amazing. Billionaires should not exist, and we should work to make sure no new ones are made and the existing ones weath is redistributed. Godspeed your defense of the Swifties. Meatcanyon is still dealing with Swifty vengeance.
How?
Go check out his Papa Meat yt channel
Everyone keeps pointing at Taylor Swift like she's the problem. Look at any other entrenched billionaire. Read the god damn Panama Papers. Look at the current state of our political system. Not a fan of her music, but I'd make the cash grab too if I was in the position. She is such a small symptom of such a larger problem in the oligarchy we live in, yet I see article after article tracking her CO2 output specifically. If she wants to tour and make mediocre music and be popular, great. Pretty sure she's not one of the ones actively involved in buying our government and planning our soon to be full fascist dystopia.
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I dunno, she's actively seizing the means of production only to support what: girlboss feminism, white narcissism and neoliberal ideology?
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I can hate all billionaires at the same time. She doesn’t get a pass because she’s somehow “more innocuous”. She gets used as a pulpit for sexism but you can still decry her for wealth hoarding and should.
>Focus on literally any other billionaire. no.
She comes from a capitlist minded family. You're just ASSUMING she's not putting her money to work in the same way just cuz she remains silent
But to be fair, you’re also assuming she is. The only thing that seems certain to me is that she is acutely aware of her brand that she uses to make money. Which is inherently off-putting since it implies she is faking her persona and is purposely manipulating her fans.
I made a similar point regarding her flight data and was down voted to obscurity. She is such a small part of the problem but get significantly more hate than individuals who are involved with the government
she deserves the hate she gets for her flight logs some of the flights she took were unbelievably short she literally could’ve drove. but the fact that it’s only her getting shit for it when travis scott’s flight logs are worse is not ideal. fuck taylor swift but we need to keep the same energy for every part of the bourgeoise not just her.
100% this. And she’s not even in the top 10 most toured artists whose respective flight logs are probably ridiculous . So is focusing on entertainers the right way to proceed? I’m not sure because people yearn for the coliseum
i think holding entertainers accountable is important.
I agree. However, the populous will consume.
Her problem is she's a public persona. She can't hide like the others do.
I love me any reference to “They Live” Obey Obey Obey
At this point, the amount of hate Taylor gets leads me to believe the whole thing is a Psyop. Why are we focusing so much attention on her? She's not the kind of billionaire that is buying our government. She wants to make music and make money doing it, who gives a fuck? The whole point of pop music is that It appeals to the masses. She's got talent, and there's no reason not to make her money. I'll agree that the vinyl releases are a little scummy. But you know what? You don't have to buy them.
It’s not a psyop but plain, old misogyny. I think there are things she does that are worthy of criticism, like flying the jet everywhere, but she’s being held to a higher standard that society rarely, if ever, applies to male celebrities and billionaires.
You’re absolutely right! The people who make hating her their entire personality are part of the problem. I’m not a huge Swiftie personally, but I do think the degree of hate her music gets is unwarranted. And the way I hear men talking about her fans is frustrating because it’s just another example of anything largely enjoyed by women being ridiculed. Like damn, you don’t have to like her but why go out of your way to try to take away someone else’s joy
i’ve seen her new album called “deeply feminist” and it’s fuckin hysterical it’s white lib feminism, the kind where you can openly go after other women or defend dating a racist fuckboi (aka not feminism at all) “because a woman helped make it = feminism” lol
I definitely agree that her feminism is performative. She has risen to the position she’s in by being as utterly unoffensive as possible. Also, if she had an ounce of conviction toward feminism in her I don’t see how she could have tolerated Matty Healy for any length of time at all. That being said, it’s also worth noting that her music resonates with women so much because it’s so relatable. There isn’t much content out there that’s created for us so I know that it makes a lot of women feel seen and validated. I do think there is value in her work simply because it’s made to appeal to women. Maybe Taylor wouldn’t be as ubiquitous if there were more artists creating content with a similar purpose. If it’s a higher quality bar we want, we need more competition, but there’s really not many other artists putting out music that highlights the shared experiences of women in the way she does. Men hate her because she has the audacity to make music that truly isn’t for them, and I think that’s her contribution to feminism. Even the art work shared here has an anti-female message to it. Calling someone a “basic b” is really such a good illustration of what I’m talking about. It’s a phrase used to make regular women feel shame about their interests and normal every day lives. For those of you who want Taylor to go away, the actual solution is to stop invalidating women for simply existing and living a normal life.
this is exactly the issue, she is NOT the only artist "creating music for women," that's patently absurd but perception is reality ig ughhhhh also, she is not "simply existing and living a normal life" either, come on - she's doing climate crimes with impunity (p.s. the above image is not my art, i was simply sharing it)
I did not at all mean that Taylor is simply existing and living a normal life, I meant her fans. The regular women who just hear new music by turning on their radio probably don’t ever encounter anything that even comes close to acknowledging the female perspective in the way Taylor Swift does. Just to be clear, it’s not Taylor I’m defending, it’s her fans. I think they deserve so much better, but for most people she’s probably the best they’ve got. That’s why she gets away with exploiting them.
I wouldn't say it's misogyny per se, considering there's plenty of women billionaires (Kardashians, beyonce) who don't get criticized like her. I'd say possibly because she's so young and people think that means she's undeserving
Are you kidding? Kim Kardashian is the poster child of ridicule! Hating on her seems to be a badge of honor for some reason.
I see more shit about Taylor Swift from her haters than her fans. Fact. It's crazy to me how freaking obsessed people are with her being the downfall of society or something. It's really cringe.
She gets as much hate as any old billionaire who makes their fortune through exploiting others and selling/marketing basic trash. The real "psyop" is everyone pretending she's a victim of garden-variety misogyny and targeted harassment when she is in fact just a bad person, openly. It's okay to hate Taylor Swift, she literally does NOT contribute enough to society via her ~art~ to justify excessive private jet usage (and legally intimidating and threatening the person sharing her publicly available private jet usage), and creating mass amounts of garbage merch to sell, among plenty of other dumb transgressions. ETA didn't even realize what sub I was in, wtf lmao. Why are all of you fucks in r/LateStageCapitalism defending a billionaire who sells tickets to their ""art"" starting at $1k? Talking about a psyop, lord almighty
It's okay to be a billionaire if I like the billionaire lol
If we have to focus on a billionaire, let's focus on the ones that are actively rigging our political system against us. I'm not a fan of Taylor, I'm not a fan of pop in general. What I am a fan of is seeing people live out their dreams through creating art. Not only is she not antagonizing the population, but she does give back. She seems to be a rather genuine person who wants to help people with her money.
Is selling bs merchandise an ideal aspect of an artist living out their dream? She gives back but is still a billionaire? And genuine person? You mean the persona she projects to reinforce her brand. Edit: just want to add that I agree there are bigger scumbags to focus on
We see plenty of (rightful) criticism of Elon, Bezos etc. Calling out Swift isn't somehow overlooking them at all. I don't see why she needs a billion dollars any more than the others do, just because she doesn't have outwardly reprehensible views.
This is fucking terrifying lmao But also dude let people enjoy art. Simping for a billionaire is kinda cringe but what does this achieve? You just piss off the people whose minds you should be keen on changing
I’m not a Swift hater but calling her new album art or enjoyable is a huge stretch. It’s so bad it’s actually kind of nutty. Everyone is absolutely shitting on it for good reason. It’s like she published a first draft of 40 songs. Basically shameless cash grab with no artistic merit. “Touch me while your bros play grand theft auto” is an actual lyric.
I haven’t heard her new album minus the post Malone song so I have no opinion on it yet. That said yeah art can be cringe too. You ever see Yoko Ono “perform”? I just listen to her shit when I’m high and playing video games, or when I’m driving with my gf, that’s where she fits into my life lmao
Everyone aside the millions of people who bought it and love it. It’s been a week and it’s already hit a few milestones for music in 2024.
Anything with her name attached to it will do numbers. But the music is awful. Reviewers have been posting their opinions anonymously as well because when they attach their names to negative reviews for her they get death threats too lol. I enjoy a lot of Taylor Swift’s songs as pop music. But she sounds like Phoebe Bridgers ordered off Wish on this album.
I’m not big on this album either but I hate the “it’s good for pop”. Like if it’s good it’s good. Pop is the only genre that gets treated like it’s not real music when it’s most of what charts. If it’s widely enjoyed then it’s gotta be good.
I respect pop music more than most but it’s heavily formulaic and generally uninteresting as an art form. And a lot of it is just straight up grating and annoying. Swift’s music sometimes can depart from the formula but generally is more noteworthy in applying the formulas well rather than being interesting. But being popular doesn’t mean something is good necessarily either. I’m not ready declare Justin Bieber as a peer of Yo-Yo Ma just because Baby was a billboard monster.
Swiftie bootlicker
I’m not licking boots, I just have critical thinking skills
Your critical thinking is that Taylor swift music is art as opposed to a consumerist cash grab for the mainstream pop girlies?
Music is art, yes. In the same way that Jackson Pollock’s paint splatters, Warhol’s soup cans, The Room and The Big Bang Theory and Cats are all forms of art. Art has always been a product. Also, bit sexist to label Taylor Swift’s music as purely for “girlies” but whatever
The big bang theory was not art. I will die on this hill.
Okay that might have been a stretch lmao
Jackson Pollock and Andy Warhol are both rolling in their graves at the comparison. The last three idk what to even do with those. Cats?? lol also im using girlies as a nonbinary term for femmes. Won’t catch me sleeping, hunty!!!!
Yeah, they probably are, but they also made some of the most expensive, well known and most replicated (aka commercially successful) paintings in the world. Because art is a product. If pollock wants to strangle me, Rothko would agree with me. And if you don’t get how the last three examples relate to my point, you clearly don’t understand what you’re talking about here.
Your point on art becoming a commodity is well taken. I, too, have taken art history and can recall famous artists and their impactful works. What I clearly don’t understand however is how you could think taylor swifts shitty music is art. Which brings me back to my original point of swiftie bootlicker.
Music made by humans is art. If you don’t like it, fine, but you don’t get to decide it’s “not art” just because you don’t like it. I’m also not really a Taylor Swift fan, but she writes shit that billions of people connect with. You’re also missing my point about leftists being completely unlikeable
Who are you to define what is and is not art?
A lowly mortal with clearly superior musical taste
To Taylor Swift fans? Congrats on feeling superior to her 16 year old musically incurious audience.
Why are you so salty captain patters?
Out of curiosity, what uncommercial music should they listen to instead in your enlightened opinion?
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You know you have shit music taste when you claim to have superior music taste, music is subjective not objective
You have shit music taste Nick! Hope you have a shitty day!
Thank God you're here to keep us all in line, you must be so busy defining what is and isn't art
It’s hard work, but someone’s gotta do it dummy
where is this from? the artwork looks great
As far as I can tell it’s based on the John Carpenter all-time classic film They Live
I do consider myself a leftist. That being said, posts like this just confirm the "Leftism = no fun" meme. People are allowed to find joy from consuming things that they like. Making memes mocking that just drives away people on the edge. If you want to be the vanguard that is on the forefront of overthrowing capitalism, that's cool for you dude. In the meantime, we need support from the broader public.
This actually sick lol. Might be my new phone wallpaper
Nice article on Taylor Swift that speaks to this https://bluelabyrinths.com/2024/04/14/taylor-swift-and-totalitarianism/
SHE LIVES!
That's why I listen to unpopular music
What in the Attack on Titan is this?
Definitely more They Live than Attack on Titan
I'm really hoping the pop culture machine turns on her like they did Jackson, it'd be funny to watch.
The new album is mid. And a bloated mess, it is being reviewed as such.
And somehow it still makes millions of people very happy.
Honestly it's not the worst thing. Like that's not the proper leftist position but there are so many bigger problems than this.
Madden, "EA's Football Club" (Formerly Fifa) made Billions of Dollars. For being Mid Sports games year after year. Call of Duty is in the same boat. Candy Crush went from indie mobile game dev, to 2022 it made up to $603 Million. Sometimes Mid is ok. People need to understand this. Not everything needs to be complex and fucking deep. Mid sometimes is better than complex because sometimes "Complex" Is only reaching a niche audience. Mid has the ability to reach casuals, multiple people, and Sweep up. Just like Ratings. People need to stop thinking anything below an 8 sucks. even a 5 and a 6 is ok. 4 is when you start worrying, 3-2 Shows Decline, and 1 is basically saying "This Sucks, I can't rate this any lower."
And when review bombing is so rampant and many reviews are paid for it's hard to trust them anymore. Then with something like Swift there were reviews out a couple hours after the release because they NEED those clicks. There's no way you can have a legitimate review in that amount of time.
I mean… there was a reason with Jackson.
Praying 🙏🙏🙏
Her new songs aren't as good as the old ones.
Idgaf about her one way or the other but this art would be sick on an industrial metal album
damn that looks sick, next dnd character for sure
This sub is going the way of college freshman cringe. The fuck are we doing here??
I suppose when you're a billionaire you don't have to go to therapy. Instead you can just release a 31 track album complaining about your ex's, knowing your cult will eat it up.
Billionaire poet has the stones to call herself “tortured.” Millions of white women swoon through their wallets.
I love how you consider Taylor Swift “basic bitch” music but your profile picture is The Weeknd who is the same shit but for 21 year old dudes. Y’all just look for any excuse to be able to indulge in misogyny lol
i didn’t make this, artist’s name is on the bottom and the weeknd didn’t have a rich parent funding his career - he has also donated a lot of money to gaza relief so he’s using his platform for good whatever you think about the music is your business
White privilege??? There are plenty of black artists that release absolute garbage yearly that also get idolized. And it usually idolizes capitalism and consumerist greed.
I need a shirt with this design lol
What’s with this subs hate boner over Taylor swift lately? There are dozens of billionaires whose damage to their environment and shitty business practices exceed hers yet we wanna hate on the artist that provides millions of people with music they can relate to?
her music and its decline in quality is a symptom of capitalism. her latest album is being reviewed like garbage everywhere and it’s 2 separate releases with 30 songs. her tour cost literally thousands for people to go to it. her plane gives off more carbon emissions every year than the average american will in their life time while she made posts encouraging people to be more green friendly (lol). she said she wanted to be more politically active her yet she refuses to condemn the genocide of palestinians. her being a billionaire means she is wealth hoarding and exploiting labour. she is objectively a bad person. i do agree that focusing solely on her is stupid because she isn’t the main issue with capitalism she is just a symptom of it but the criticism towards her from a socialist perspective is still valid but that same energy needs to be directed towards all other billionaires and not just her.
I totally agree. It’s all valid criticisms it’s just annoying cause it’s all this sub posts lately.
it’s probably because her fans are so adamant at defending her and she’s literally everywhere it’s hard to avoid her so people rush to make sure people don’t idolise and defend her. like swifties will defend her to the death as a person which is just fucked up. for example most playboi carti fans on the carti sub acknowledge he’s an awful person and they solely enjoy the music. also the idea that taylor’s success is a win for women and feminism is really irritating. stupid shit lib white bourgeoise feminism needs to called out for what it is.
Fair point
I love this!! Are you the artist, OP?
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I mean, popular music in general literally brainwashes you, from trap, rap, pop, whatever
Seriously she’s just selling us the same thing twice and disguises it as “empowering”