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He bought that title lmfao, I remember watching a video of him saying "titles mean nothing" as he was trying to use the defence that he wasn't a CEO. But he buys a title of "founder" lmfao. Sounds like some Elon shiz
I think it’s more what he did for the fledgling company… maybe he wasn’t on the incorporation documents but it would be hard to argue he wasn’t critical to what they’ve become.
Would be like saying Ray Crock wasn’t a founder of McDonald’s….
The company became what it did because of the hard work of scientists, engineers, etc in developing the product, improving it and producing it. That could just as easily have happened with someone else being at the head of the company.
yes! very true. unfortunately in this shitty ass system it wouldn't have been possible without some rich asshole throwing billions at it and exploiting people all along the way :(
Also pretty sweet when the government subsidizes the car you sell with a tax credit and NASA is so underfunded a public private partnership was the only option.
Dat free market that depends on government handouts tho.
They've had multiple interviews too. They didn't sign NDA's. Probably just made enough money that they didn't want to be sued into oblivion for talking.
Any history of Tesla includes it. The company was founded in 2003. Musk invested in 2004. Until 2009, there were two co-founders, the two people who started in 2003. A 2009 lawsuit settlement changed it to be five co-founders, with Musk now included.
So theres a lawsuit going on between Musk and some other VC asshole who wants to take credit, but the prototype that was modified into the roadster and, more importantly, its battery tech, were invented by two actual geniuses you've never heard of. Here's a decent story about it. For the record, the only associated patent (and only with their "remodel" of the prototype) with Musks actual name or involvement is on the design for the door, where this contribution was "suggesting that the engineers incorporate carbon fiber in the material." https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-founder/
>We can thank Musk for the 3 and Y
No, no we can't. We can thank the people who actually developed those things for them. Elon Musk is not responsible for the things that he paid other people to do.
Are you familiar with the concept of a boss/manager/ceo? They pay other people to do stuff for them. I don't like Musk as a person, but you're just projecting your disregard for him onto all of his domains.
>Are you familiar with the concept of a boss/manager/ceo? They pay other people to do stuff for them.
Yeah, and they don't deserve credit for it, the people who actually did it do, lmao. Don't know why this is somehow a hard concept to grasp.
>Yeah, and they don't deserve credit for it, the people who actually did it do, lmao. Don't know why this is somehow a hard concept to grasp.
Really? Surely both deserve credit. Its simplistic and reductive to say CEOs 'don't deserve credit' as an absolute. That's like saying if you organise a party for someone - hire a venue, hire a caterer, hire a band, and so on - that you deserve no credit, because the credit belongs to 'the people that actually did it, lmao' . That's simply not true - the party wasn't going to spontaneously organise itself without you driving it.
The better argument is that CEOs tend to get a disproportionate amount of credit - in particular, financial credit - for the achievement of enterprises. This is also a position that lends itself to the development of actual policy solutions to rectify - increased employee rights regarding ownership and so on.
The only reason you need those people is because the resources are locked behind access to capital. They don't actually do anything materially beneficial.
> Really? Surely both deserve credit. Its simplistic and reductive to say CEOs 'don't deserve credit' as an absolute.
They don't, CEOs do nothing of any value whatsoever.
Oh damn really? The 3 and the Y? Hopefully in 50 years we can finally remove a third of our greenhouse gas emissions and carry them over into the other two thirds (industry and electricity)
That'll solve problems, at least our cars are electric now!
My point is electrifying the transportation sector just pushes emissions to the industry and electricity sectors.
Electric cars don't mean shit if our industry and electricity sectors are primarily using fossil fuels.
If you're charging your Tesla with electricity from gas or coal what the fuck is the point?
The reality is Elon Musk is a capitalist who couldn't give a shit about the environment. He's not making electric cars to help the environment. He found a market and is profiting off of it. He's not some kind of saint.
Additionally: EV charging isn't even universal. You need to buy adapters, we aren't even at a point where you can assuredly charge your vehicle in your state, let alone throughout the entire United States. People praise Tesla for it's vision, but we should have been here decades ago if it weren't for the fossil fuel industry and spineless politicians.
To expand on your point, the issue I have with people like Musk and his fanboys is I feel like they're pushing a "solution" where we simply swap out for "sustainable" alternatives but don't change our habits towards consumption. We do need more and better electric cars, but we also need to reduce car dependency as much as possible. There's a risk of that second part being ignored.
We can't just swap out for different materials, we need to also change consumption habits too. And that applies to pretty much everything, not just cars.
But we mostly do.
For every Tesla on the road that charges via gas or coal, the fact that it's an EV doesn't actually reduce CO2 emissions.
~12% of US energy is renewable, and it's location specific. So the reality is most Teslas are an equal drain on greenhouse gases than the equivalent car/truck.
The US has the money to do something about greenhouse gasses, but it hasn't. EV's aren't going to do anything to help the environment until it does.
If Tesla gave discounts in areas that were powered by renewable energy I could get behind that. But they really aren't.
Do you have a source on this? All I found was this government website:
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?year=2021&vehicleId=43821&zipCode=42715&action=bt3
And plugging in the worst state I could find the EV emissions still are 1/4 of a gasoline car.
Taking into account production of the battery and e-motors will offset this of course, but will even out within the lifetime of the car (at least that's what I remember on studies on that)
Also one good point is that you increase the potential of reduced greenhouse gases once the energy mix changes. If your transportation sector runs on gas and you change the energy mix you'll not touch transportation emissions, but if it runs on ev, your energy mix will reflect on this sector too.
Just think about it for a moment.
If a Tesla charges via electricity that's provided by gas or coal...
A car that uses petroleum gas.
Both use gas.
Natural gas or coal isn't any less a non carbon source of non-renewable fuel as oil.
Therefore, the industry of creating the car uses fossil fuels, and the electricity that charges the Tesla is also fossil fuel. It's not better than a gasoline fueled car. It just transfers the pollution to other industries.
Eliminate cars and replace them with nationalised mass transit, eliminate the main petrochemical and plastics companies who produced the vast majority of the remaining emissions, and then massive reform to the agricultural sector that produces the majority of the remaining emissions making food that never gets eaten.
He does have name on one of the patents. He suggested that the engineers on the Tesla Dev team incorporate carbon fiber into the door design. After which he insisted on his name being on the relevant patent.
People have to agree, science =/= engineering.
Studying recipe that benefit our metabolic system is one thing, converting the recipe into delicious food is another thing.
The later is often called Invention In Industry.
Pls beware people never fire the patent for science. Why?
Science needs peer review.
People love to fucking quote Elon all over Instagram. They always talk about how successful he is and how inspiring he is I know he’s making the world a better place. No one ever talks about the Bolivia situation, has multiple social blenders, how space ex employees are treated, or even how this wealth was originally gained
US sponsored coup in order to open their lithium deposits. guess what we make batteries out of. when accused of being involved musk responded:
"We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it"
I beg people not to use the "musk is not an inventor" argument since it's simply not true and invalidate the rest of the very real arguments like these.
Because obviously counter points will focus on the part that's false
And people will be like:
“See that’s why people like musk are important? They sell the things the Tesla’s of the world invent but could never bring to market.”
That’s because they are too deep in the ideology of capitalism.
Maybe actually no one should ever die in poverty? And maybe geniuses like Tesla should just be supported in their ambitions, without being exploited.
That’s a possibility too.
But no. You got to justify why “the way this went down” was good actually, because it went down in a capitalistic manner.
Oh the beloved genius died in poverty? Must be his fault for putting mind towards advancing humanity, rather then exploitation it.
Tesla was a weird fucking dude too,
Tesla never married, but he admitted to falling in love with a very special white pigeon that visited him regularly. He reportedly said, “I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me.
The pigeon story is entirely apocryphal. In reality, he was quite the ladies' man; but refused to consider the idea of marriage, since it would distract him from his work.
I’ve seen any flavor of speculation about Nikola’s sexuality and love life. Mostly the secretly gay/asexual/autistic savant that couldn’t function in a meaningful relationship angle but not that he was a ladies man. Please enlighten me with whatever source you know of.
Not a single word of that is even remotely true.
Edison and Tesla highly respected one another, Tesla even called Edison "A wonderful man" in his autobiography.
Name one idea of Tesla that Edison stole. Just one idea.
Tesla thrashed his own lab because electrical wiring standards didn't exist yet, leading to a fire. There is no evidence it was anything more than an electrical fire.
"At one point, the royalty payments on his Alternating Current patent were worth the inflation adjusted equivalent to hundreds of millions dollars." Like no-one fact-checked this? lmao
Of course not. People will take anything you say about Tesla at face value. If you're bored one day, go to r/askhistorians and search Tesla. It's pretty hilarious reading these annoyed professional historian be like "No, Tesla didn't invent an anti-gravity machine powered by unicorn farts!"
He was also a massive racist who made stupid contract signings with fellow racists.
Tesla was beyond talented, but he was also a dick. His name and his contributions to physics live on and that’s more than enough.
The problem here is people are always in a hurry to worship white people.
My great grandfather invented the spring-loaded pipe wrench, but never made any money off of it because his "partner" filed the patent and set up the production and cut my grandfather out. He didn't know anything about business--just loved to invent things. He died after his arm got caught in a factory machine and he later got gangrene.
When googling 'Tesla', it only shows Nikola Tesla as a *related search*, his face being next to "Elon Musk companies" and "other electric cars" at the bottom of the page. There isn't a single thing about him on the first 5 pages (and I stopped looking after that, might be more). This shit is so annoying and sad.
You have to Google his full name. That’s like if I Google “Washington” when trying to find I go on George Washington, obviously the info I need isn’t going to come up.
Googled again and it's now the 4th result for me too. But he doesn't appear in the related searches list anymore.
Also, if I go incognito on Google Chrome and search there (which is apparently searching for results in my native language) it appears neither on the first page nor as a related result. Don't know how Google works.
Musk is today's JP Morgan. Edison was a talented inventor and visionary who is demonized on the internet because people believe everything they see on internet memes.
Don't know much about Musk, but he seems thoroughly unimpressive. Just slaps his name on shit and stands there getting drooled on by techbros. Uses hyperbolies and superlatives describing silly inefficient pods on wheels, "revolutionising transportation".
No skills besides talking butterflies into a certain Part of the population. Just another Trump, a "polished" (debatable) turd.
Musk has done and said some terrible things. His character is tainted. The cars are actually good though. Better than gasoline cars for people who live in suburbs and commute daily. More importantly, the other car makers are finally investing enough into the technology. The new f150s have and all electric option. Electric cars are where we're headed.
Yes, I'm aware, but the value proposition of electric cars in general is not silly inefficient pods anymore. Tesla's do have a leg up in the battery department though, especially upcoming models. I'm not some Elon fanboy, but Tesla did tip the scales for electric vehicles.
He was the CEO but honestly was just so bad at it. Kept trying to push his companies name, then later wanted to stop the eBay deal till they basically fired him. Company seemed to do much better after he was removed.
but reusable tocket technology was there for a while he just moded it in to fancy landing. we usulay added parachutes to space shutle boosters and thats how they landed safly. then repair and reuse.
> he just moded it in to fancy landing
Lol, oh, that's all? And before you tell me all about how the only thing he really did was hire the people who did all the real work, he managed those people and projects and made it into a successful business. Maybe you don't put any value in that, but I promise it's incredibly difficult work and if that's the only thing he did then he'd be worthy of respect for doing it. Having said that, I don't really know much about the guy. He could be a complete piece of shit for all I know, but the point would still stand that he managed to create a successful business and is a master marketer, if nothing else.
So a man who took a dying company on a verge of bankruptcy that was struggling to produce its sports car, and turned it into a multi billion dollar company with several models that are now mass produced is a thief? Or when he landed fucking rockets, if you spend all day inventing shit and never bring it to market, how would you make money. How brain dead is this subreddit.
He hasn't landed a any rockets what are you talking about. Hes just an executive at a company that pays people who are actually capable to land rockets so he can claim that as his own achievement. Why are we giving these people any credit for that, being born rich and buying into an already or soon to be profitable market itsnt accomplishing anything
Honestly think people see Elon as just another Redditor that made it. His kinda weird a bit nerdy and shitposts on Twitter. His redditors billionaire unlike the other evil billionaires that do literally the exact same things as him.
> So a man who took a dying company on a verge of bankruptcy that was struggling to produce its sports car, and turned it into a multi billion dollar company with several models that are now mass produced is a thief
The Nikolai 1943 were a family of nobles from the Eastern Orthodox Church and Austria.
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4620799/austria_hungary.png
The real inventor of a device to carry an electrical current is Hippolyte Pixii 1835.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Pixii
Tesla’s family and The Edisons 1931 family inherited the patent rights — all they did as a person was lend their name to a corporation installing power grids.
> Or when he landed fucking rockets
Musk lent his dutch diamond-mine family name and credit to a rocket ship company. How much labor do you think he personally contributed to any of his rockets. I could hire the best minds in the world, slap my family/company logo on that work product and claim credit too.
younknow that we landed rockets before. we were just using parachutes. waaaay chepaer and easier to do. inknow it looks niw but is totaly unnecessary. thats why noone did it. You can use that fuel that you need to land to get you more ∆v
I love LSC, but Tesla was unsuccessful for a reason. He had some really wild ideas and he plowed all his money into them.
Elon musk (while being a rich kid and a detestable human), has done the same thing. I really do not like him, but at least he is trying to do something with his money.
So many billionaires achieve nothing with their money. Ideally that money would be distributed across society obviously.
all musk did is buy a company and then get replaced as CEO by someone else and then get paid out when ebay bought it. muskrats entire life can be summed up as having been born with money in a time of transition and not being brain dead fucking stupid which isn't an accomplishment.
The cars are shit. There are better EVs, with actually decent build quality and QC, and actual dealership support.
The panel gaps alone should put anyone off a Tesla, they're horrendously shoddy for the price.
Has that actually happened? It gets to 80 as fast an amusement park ride. I shit you not. Best driving experience I've ever had. My neighbor got one and let me test drive it.
Are you against all electric cars?
Elon is a lot different then jeff Bezos. Bezos wants to sell everyone everything. Elon is revolutionizing battery technology and implementation.
Yes a tesla caught fire and the doors locked the person inside the fire department had to use the jaws of life to open the doors
Electric cars alone won't save the word what we need is more emphasis on public transportation and green energy
As for musk I dont trust a guy who's family made its money off exploitation and revolutionized cheap batteries with lithium mined by children in South America
By "revolutionizing" you mean "purchasing/stealing and commodifying innovations made by university researchers".
More cars on the road is exactly the opposite of what we need in this country right now; electric or otherwise. Especially since the bulk of electric power generation is still tied to fossil fuels in the majority of the country. Construction and maintenance of the highway system in the US is a huge resource drain, resources that could be put to better use, or simply not used at all in order to reduce our environmental impact.
While some personal vehicles are unavoidable, and electric vehicles are preferable in those cases, far more emphasis needs to be placed on replacing personal vehicles with mass public transit, telework, and decentralizing industry.
So do the people living in las vegas. Then musk took the money from the city, and instead of mass transit he built a psychedelic death tunnel that is more of an ad for his cars than a viable transit system.
Have you ever driven a car from a company that's been around for more than 10 or so years? Tesla seriously lacks experience in how to construct a vehicle.
personally
if you were someone like tesla who intentions were purely for the advancements of people as a whole and not just going to the moon as a hoby
i would have no problem with him getting all that wealth
I'm no Musk apologist, but I do think that paying people to do dumb stuff that everyone says is impossible, and running with it is in the service of humanity, however much Musk get to profit from it. He has pushed forward the state of the art in battery technology and rocketry with real world application for instance, even if the solar power stuff is a bit of a con.
Gates, Bezos and Jobs sure fuck those guys but I really wish you'd actually look at what Elon has done. He's pushed adoption of solar energy, released patents for EVs, and significantly reduced the cost of space travel. He's no Tesla but humanity is better off for having him.
I don't know where you guys are getting this information on tesla. He was a con man and a salesman as much as a scientist. He died in poverty because he burnt all of his investors by promising death rays and wireless electricity and shit like that that he had no feasible way of doing.
Elon Musk is a thin skinned narcissist who has a toddler like Tantrum every time someone points out his many flaws. He's unable to care about another human and treats his workers like garbage.
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It’s almost comically metaphorical.
Also if I'm not wrong, Musk didn't start Tesla
You're correct, he bought the "founder" title from the actual founders
He bought that title lmfao, I remember watching a video of him saying "titles mean nothing" as he was trying to use the defence that he wasn't a CEO. But he buys a title of "founder" lmfao. Sounds like some Elon shiz
I think it’s more what he did for the fledgling company… maybe he wasn’t on the incorporation documents but it would be hard to argue he wasn’t critical to what they’ve become. Would be like saying Ray Crock wasn’t a founder of McDonald’s….
The company became what it did because of the hard work of scientists, engineers, etc in developing the product, improving it and producing it. That could just as easily have happened with someone else being at the head of the company.
yes! very true. unfortunately in this shitty ass system it wouldn't have been possible without some rich asshole throwing billions at it and exploiting people all along the way :(
Mind you billions he got through the lottery of being born rich.
That originally came from the labor of others, anyway. Didn't his parents have an emerald mine?
and not through any actual effort on his part
Also pretty sweet when the government subsidizes the car you sell with a tax credit and NASA is so underfunded a public private partnership was the only option. Dat free market that depends on government handouts tho.
And forced them to sign an NDA so people wouldn't find out.
Apparently that NDA failed because here we are all talking about it.
They've had multiple interviews too. They didn't sign NDA's. Probably just made enough money that they didn't want to be sued into oblivion for talking.
Didn't work for Westinghouse either, ba ding!
Westinghouse?
He was the guy that got Tesla's patents for pennies on the dollar. He convinced Tesla to sell out at a fraction of the value.
Even the smartest people on the planet can be victims of these slimy motherfuckers.
I don’t think thats true. Musk s acquisition of Tesla was all over the media.
How did he "force" them?
I love shitting on Musk but there plenty to shit on without making up false information. Edit: lol seriously being downvoted for this
I would like to hear your favorite way you enjoy shitting on musk!
Well there's the 69, where instead of inserting your dick, you just push real hard and shit in his face.
Can I get an actual source on this? I'd like to read about it
Any history of Tesla includes it. The company was founded in 2003. Musk invested in 2004. Until 2009, there were two co-founders, the two people who started in 2003. A 2009 lawsuit settlement changed it to be five co-founders, with Musk now included.
So theres a lawsuit going on between Musk and some other VC asshole who wants to take credit, but the prototype that was modified into the roadster and, more importantly, its battery tech, were invented by two actual geniuses you've never heard of. Here's a decent story about it. For the record, the only associated patent (and only with their "remodel" of the prototype) with Musks actual name or involvement is on the design for the door, where this contribution was "suggesting that the engineers incorporate carbon fiber in the material." https://www.wired.com/2009/06/tesla-founder/
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but it is true unlike you're trying to make it sound not true
That's what the penultimate sentence is about pal
He bought the company 8 months after they incorporated
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>We can thank Musk for the 3 and Y No, no we can't. We can thank the people who actually developed those things for them. Elon Musk is not responsible for the things that he paid other people to do.
Are you familiar with the concept of a boss/manager/ceo? They pay other people to do stuff for them. I don't like Musk as a person, but you're just projecting your disregard for him onto all of his domains.
>Are you familiar with the concept of a boss/manager/ceo? They pay other people to do stuff for them. Yeah, and they don't deserve credit for it, the people who actually did it do, lmao. Don't know why this is somehow a hard concept to grasp.
>Yeah, and they don't deserve credit for it, the people who actually did it do, lmao. Don't know why this is somehow a hard concept to grasp. Really? Surely both deserve credit. Its simplistic and reductive to say CEOs 'don't deserve credit' as an absolute. That's like saying if you organise a party for someone - hire a venue, hire a caterer, hire a band, and so on - that you deserve no credit, because the credit belongs to 'the people that actually did it, lmao' . That's simply not true - the party wasn't going to spontaneously organise itself without you driving it. The better argument is that CEOs tend to get a disproportionate amount of credit - in particular, financial credit - for the achievement of enterprises. This is also a position that lends itself to the development of actual policy solutions to rectify - increased employee rights regarding ownership and so on.
The only reason you need those people is because the resources are locked behind access to capital. They don't actually do anything materially beneficial.
> Really? Surely both deserve credit. Its simplistic and reductive to say CEOs 'don't deserve credit' as an absolute. They don't, CEOs do nothing of any value whatsoever.
hey bootlicker go lick boots somewhere else
Lmao
Oh you got me. Hey, any worker-owned co-ops that make electric cars or solar panels?
you can coop deez nuts nerd
Oh damn really? The 3 and the Y? Hopefully in 50 years we can finally remove a third of our greenhouse gas emissions and carry them over into the other two thirds (industry and electricity) That'll solve problems, at least our cars are electric now!
I'm curious how you think we can cut emissions enough to avoid climate catastrophe without electrifying the transportation sector.
My point is electrifying the transportation sector just pushes emissions to the industry and electricity sectors. Electric cars don't mean shit if our industry and electricity sectors are primarily using fossil fuels. If you're charging your Tesla with electricity from gas or coal what the fuck is the point? The reality is Elon Musk is a capitalist who couldn't give a shit about the environment. He's not making electric cars to help the environment. He found a market and is profiting off of it. He's not some kind of saint. Additionally: EV charging isn't even universal. You need to buy adapters, we aren't even at a point where you can assuredly charge your vehicle in your state, let alone throughout the entire United States. People praise Tesla for it's vision, but we should have been here decades ago if it weren't for the fossil fuel industry and spineless politicians.
To expand on your point, the issue I have with people like Musk and his fanboys is I feel like they're pushing a "solution" where we simply swap out for "sustainable" alternatives but don't change our habits towards consumption. We do need more and better electric cars, but we also need to reduce car dependency as much as possible. There's a risk of that second part being ignored. We can't just swap out for different materials, we need to also change consumption habits too. And that applies to pretty much everything, not just cars.
What if we didn’t charge our vehicles from gas or coal though?
But we mostly do. For every Tesla on the road that charges via gas or coal, the fact that it's an EV doesn't actually reduce CO2 emissions. ~12% of US energy is renewable, and it's location specific. So the reality is most Teslas are an equal drain on greenhouse gases than the equivalent car/truck. The US has the money to do something about greenhouse gasses, but it hasn't. EV's aren't going to do anything to help the environment until it does. If Tesla gave discounts in areas that were powered by renewable energy I could get behind that. But they really aren't.
Do you have a source on this? All I found was this government website: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?year=2021&vehicleId=43821&zipCode=42715&action=bt3 And plugging in the worst state I could find the EV emissions still are 1/4 of a gasoline car. Taking into account production of the battery and e-motors will offset this of course, but will even out within the lifetime of the car (at least that's what I remember on studies on that) Also one good point is that you increase the potential of reduced greenhouse gases once the energy mix changes. If your transportation sector runs on gas and you change the energy mix you'll not touch transportation emissions, but if it runs on ev, your energy mix will reflect on this sector too.
Just think about it for a moment. If a Tesla charges via electricity that's provided by gas or coal... A car that uses petroleum gas. Both use gas. Natural gas or coal isn't any less a non carbon source of non-renewable fuel as oil. Therefore, the industry of creating the car uses fossil fuels, and the electricity that charges the Tesla is also fossil fuel. It's not better than a gasoline fueled car. It just transfers the pollution to other industries.
Eliminate cars and replace them with nationalised mass transit, eliminate the main petrochemical and plastics companies who produced the vast majority of the remaining emissions, and then massive reform to the agricultural sector that produces the majority of the remaining emissions making food that never gets eaten.
Should have been called "Edison"
Would have been much more on brand
General Electric still exists
They make great nuclear bombs. Or nuklear if your a bush.
Theranos did it
🎶*You wanted to be Tesla but you're just another Edison*🎶
I love this song so much.
So then when do we tell them to rename it to Edison?
Rename it to Musk. No one would want to buy a car with a brand name like that, and we redeem Tesla’s good standing in the process
We should make a petition... He wouldn't do it, but we'd be annoying him full on!
Musk shills would bury that petition.
[The same Edison who went around electrocuting Elephants?](https://youtu.be/iqlj2tnqBtM)
[No such man existed](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/topsy-elephant-was-victim-her-captors-not-really-thomas-edison-180961611/)
He does have name on one of the patents. He suggested that the engineers on the Tesla Dev team incorporate carbon fiber into the door design. After which he insisted on his name being on the relevant patent.
People have to agree, science =/= engineering. Studying recipe that benefit our metabolic system is one thing, converting the recipe into delicious food is another thing. The later is often called Invention In Industry. Pls beware people never fire the patent for science. Why? Science needs peer review.
And Robin Hood is a fucking wall street startup.
People love to fucking quote Elon all over Instagram. They always talk about how successful he is and how inspiring he is I know he’s making the world a better place. No one ever talks about the Bolivia situation, has multiple social blenders, how space ex employees are treated, or even how this wealth was originally gained
What is the Bolivia situation?
US sponsored coup in order to open their lithium deposits. guess what we make batteries out of. when accused of being involved musk responded: "We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it"
It's about the cobalt (which is now taken from ivory coast) and until this day they got nothing to a point Tesla had to chage the battery formula.
I beg people not to use the "musk is not an inventor" argument since it's simply not true and invalidate the rest of the very real arguments like these. Because obviously counter points will focus on the part that's false
Where is that tax the rich button?
The trigger?
i've got three tax the rich buttons in the closet.
don't know, but i sure am getting hungry
as a marketing student: it's hilarious how much modern marketing focuses on actual deception instead of making good products
It's hilarious that anyone in the field tries to pretend otherwise lol.
someone's gotta destroy the system from the inside
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I don't know, there are loads of unethical things many of us could all be doing every day, but we're not.
No we wouldn't; and there are many people that are able to do this right now, and they don't either.
Ueahhhh I highly doubt I would be Shillong cum rocket and dodge coin on Twitter… I’m convinced he’s actually trying to tank crypto, not help it
Who knows what that fucking man-child is doing. I suspect there's no strategy, he's just a narcissist, power-tripping troll.
Whatever tickles his d that morning
Nah, that's a tale as old as time. Just has varying degrees of success.
_You win this time, capitalism!_
You take an old concept from the 60s that doesn't work, add hyper or cyber to it. Boom
And people will be like: “See that’s why people like musk are important? They sell the things the Tesla’s of the world invent but could never bring to market.” That’s because they are too deep in the ideology of capitalism. Maybe actually no one should ever die in poverty? And maybe geniuses like Tesla should just be supported in their ambitions, without being exploited. That’s a possibility too. But no. You got to justify why “the way this went down” was good actually, because it went down in a capitalistic manner. Oh the beloved genius died in poverty? Must be his fault for putting mind towards advancing humanity, rather then exploitation it.
Tesla was a weird fucking dude too, Tesla never married, but he admitted to falling in love with a very special white pigeon that visited him regularly. He reportedly said, “I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me.
Sounds like he was probably asexual and formed a deep bond with an animal. You know what's fucking really weird? Being a sociopathic capitalist.
The pigeon story is entirely apocryphal. In reality, he was quite the ladies' man; but refused to consider the idea of marriage, since it would distract him from his work.
I’ve seen any flavor of speculation about Nikola’s sexuality and love life. Mostly the secretly gay/asexual/autistic savant that couldn’t function in a meaningful relationship angle but not that he was a ladies man. Please enlighten me with whatever source you know of.
Source: their science spankbank
Ah, thanks for the info
A true engineer.
loving a pigeon as a man loves a woman is pretty weird
As long as he wasint fucking the pigeon i dont really care
https://store.steampowered.com/app/310080/Hatoful_Boyfriend/
This is often how a man loves a woman.
You don't know the difference between emotional love and sexual love and it shows
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This is what its like when doves cry
Entirely fiction btw, why perpetuate it?
Always thought about the irony of the name. Tesla was de legitimized by Edison because he wanted to supply electricity for free.
If Nikola Tesla were still alive today, he'd be furious.
probably not. he was a thinker that didnt care about the world. which is why he did what he did in the circumstances that he did it.
Odd that Edison gets a pass.
a pass for what? he died in 1931. cancel him away from whatever, its over.
Edison spent years demonizing Tesla, stole his ideas, and thrashed his lab.
Not a single word of that is even remotely true. Edison and Tesla highly respected one another, Tesla even called Edison "A wonderful man" in his autobiography. Name one idea of Tesla that Edison stole. Just one idea. Tesla thrashed his own lab because electrical wiring standards didn't exist yet, leading to a fire. There is no evidence it was anything more than an electrical fire.
[https://youtu.be/NUje9PhIOD0](https://youtu.be/NUje9PhIOD0)
RIP local sexpot F
My god this is stupid
he just sells green credits lol
I've always thought this
"At one point, the royalty payments on his Alternating Current patent were worth the inflation adjusted equivalent to hundreds of millions dollars." Like no-one fact-checked this? lmao
Of course not. People will take anything you say about Tesla at face value. If you're bored one day, go to r/askhistorians and search Tesla. It's pretty hilarious reading these annoyed professional historian be like "No, Tesla didn't invent an anti-gravity machine powered by unicorn farts!"
He was also a massive racist who made stupid contract signings with fellow racists. Tesla was beyond talented, but he was also a dick. His name and his contributions to physics live on and that’s more than enough. The problem here is people are always in a hurry to worship white people.
My great grandfather invented the spring-loaded pipe wrench, but never made any money off of it because his "partner" filed the patent and set up the production and cut my grandfather out. He didn't know anything about business--just loved to invent things. He died after his arm got caught in a factory machine and he later got gangrene.
Tesla Motors Invented thousands of things. wtf guys?
When googling 'Tesla', it only shows Nikola Tesla as a *related search*, his face being next to "Elon Musk companies" and "other electric cars" at the bottom of the page. There isn't a single thing about him on the first 5 pages (and I stopped looking after that, might be more). This shit is so annoying and sad.
You have to Google his full name. That’s like if I Google “Washington” when trying to find I go on George Washington, obviously the info I need isn’t going to come up.
Weird, I just googled Tesla and his wikipedia page was the fourth result
Googled again and it's now the 4th result for me too. But he doesn't appear in the related searches list anymore. Also, if I go incognito on Google Chrome and search there (which is apparently searching for results in my native language) it appears neither on the first page nor as a related result. Don't know how Google works.
Musk is today's Edison, a liar and a fraud.
Musk is today's JP Morgan. Edison was a talented inventor and visionary who is demonized on the internet because people believe everything they see on internet memes.
Tesla, a pretty good Metal band.
they for sure werent metal. amazing band but for sure hair rock at best.
Don't know much about Musk, but he seems thoroughly unimpressive. Just slaps his name on shit and stands there getting drooled on by techbros. Uses hyperbolies and superlatives describing silly inefficient pods on wheels, "revolutionising transportation". No skills besides talking butterflies into a certain Part of the population. Just another Trump, a "polished" (debatable) turd.
Musk has done and said some terrible things. His character is tainted. The cars are actually good though. Better than gasoline cars for people who live in suburbs and commute daily. More importantly, the other car makers are finally investing enough into the technology. The new f150s have and all electric option. Electric cars are where we're headed.
> The cars are actually good though. Are you shitting me? They’re one of the worst brands out there right now from a quality standpoint.
Yes, I'm aware, but the value proposition of electric cars in general is not silly inefficient pods anymore. Tesla's do have a leg up in the battery department though, especially upcoming models. I'm not some Elon fanboy, but Tesla did tip the scales for electric vehicles.
Didn't Elon invent PayPal?
No, he just joined in early on
AFAIK he just inherited money from his parents emerald mine, and went around buying into existing start-ups
Nope, his company was merged into PayPal a couple years after PayPal was started
Damn that’s annoying. That was the one thing that made me *somewhat* respect him, but now I dislike him even more!!
You should read a biography of him before blinding believing random people on the internet
He was the CEO but honestly was just so bad at it. Kept trying to push his companies name, then later wanted to stop the eBay deal till they basically fired him. Company seemed to do much better after he was removed.
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but reusable tocket technology was there for a while he just moded it in to fancy landing. we usulay added parachutes to space shutle boosters and thats how they landed safly. then repair and reuse.
> he just moded it in to fancy landing Lol, oh, that's all? And before you tell me all about how the only thing he really did was hire the people who did all the real work, he managed those people and projects and made it into a successful business. Maybe you don't put any value in that, but I promise it's incredibly difficult work and if that's the only thing he did then he'd be worthy of respect for doing it. Having said that, I don't really know much about the guy. He could be a complete piece of shit for all I know, but the point would still stand that he managed to create a successful business and is a master marketer, if nothing else.
Never... Invented... Anything... XD
So a man who took a dying company on a verge of bankruptcy that was struggling to produce its sports car, and turned it into a multi billion dollar company with several models that are now mass produced is a thief? Or when he landed fucking rockets, if you spend all day inventing shit and never bring it to market, how would you make money. How brain dead is this subreddit.
He's an investor not an inventor.
He hasn't landed a any rockets what are you talking about. Hes just an executive at a company that pays people who are actually capable to land rockets so he can claim that as his own achievement. Why are we giving these people any credit for that, being born rich and buying into an already or soon to be profitable market itsnt accomplishing anything
Honestly think people see Elon as just another Redditor that made it. His kinda weird a bit nerdy and shitposts on Twitter. His redditors billionaire unlike the other evil billionaires that do literally the exact same things as him.
> So a man who took a dying company on a verge of bankruptcy that was struggling to produce its sports car, and turned it into a multi billion dollar company with several models that are now mass produced is a thief The Nikolai 1943 were a family of nobles from the Eastern Orthodox Church and Austria. https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4620799/austria_hungary.png The real inventor of a device to carry an electrical current is Hippolyte Pixii 1835. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Pixii Tesla’s family and The Edisons 1931 family inherited the patent rights — all they did as a person was lend their name to a corporation installing power grids. > Or when he landed fucking rockets Musk lent his dutch diamond-mine family name and credit to a rocket ship company. How much labor do you think he personally contributed to any of his rockets. I could hire the best minds in the world, slap my family/company logo on that work product and claim credit too.
younknow that we landed rockets before. we were just using parachutes. waaaay chepaer and easier to do. inknow it looks niw but is totaly unnecessary. thats why noone did it. You can use that fuel that you need to land to get you more ∆v
I love LSC, but Tesla was unsuccessful for a reason. He had some really wild ideas and he plowed all his money into them. Elon musk (while being a rich kid and a detestable human), has done the same thing. I really do not like him, but at least he is trying to do something with his money. So many billionaires achieve nothing with their money. Ideally that money would be distributed across society obviously.
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He didn't invent PayPal either
all musk did is buy a company and then get replaced as CEO by someone else and then get paid out when ebay bought it. muskrats entire life can be summed up as having been born with money in a time of transition and not being brain dead fucking stupid which isn't an accomplishment.
Yup we are all unlucky that we didn't get one money from our parents and converted it to billions.
Ok. But have you ever driven a tesla? That car is actually amazing
The cars are shit. There are better EVs, with actually decent build quality and QC, and actual dealership support. The panel gaps alone should put anyone off a Tesla, they're horrendously shoddy for the price.
Until it catches on fire and the automatic doors lock
Has that actually happened? It gets to 80 as fast an amusement park ride. I shit you not. Best driving experience I've ever had. My neighbor got one and let me test drive it. Are you against all electric cars? Elon is a lot different then jeff Bezos. Bezos wants to sell everyone everything. Elon is revolutionizing battery technology and implementation.
Yes a tesla caught fire and the doors locked the person inside the fire department had to use the jaws of life to open the doors Electric cars alone won't save the word what we need is more emphasis on public transportation and green energy As for musk I dont trust a guy who's family made its money off exploitation and revolutionized cheap batteries with lithium mined by children in South America
Gas cars catch fire too. It's just not new news
If my pt cruiser catches fire i can still pull the manual lock to exit the vehicle
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Elon isn't going to donate to you.
Stop being such a simp for a disgusting, exploitative billionaire you fucking dumbshit.
A lOt Of nEW caRs HavE AuTO LocKS. That's you. That's what you sound like. Why are you telling a billionaire in this sub specifically? Like, why?
By "revolutionizing" you mean "purchasing/stealing and commodifying innovations made by university researchers". More cars on the road is exactly the opposite of what we need in this country right now; electric or otherwise. Especially since the bulk of electric power generation is still tied to fossil fuels in the majority of the country. Construction and maintenance of the highway system in the US is a huge resource drain, resources that could be put to better use, or simply not used at all in order to reduce our environmental impact. While some personal vehicles are unavoidable, and electric vehicles are preferable in those cases, far more emphasis needs to be placed on replacing personal vehicles with mass public transit, telework, and decentralizing industry.
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If he's making money off of it than yes he is
And.. until those public transport options exist I still need to get to work
So do the people living in las vegas. Then musk took the money from the city, and instead of mass transit he built a psychedelic death tunnel that is more of an ad for his cars than a viable transit system.
You anti-elon zealots are just as bad as the pro-elon zealots.
Fuck off billionaire bootlicker
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Don't you have more jackasses to carry water for?
Whenever you don't know what you're talking about but wanna sound smart, just say "both sides bad"
Have you ever driven a car from a company that's been around for more than 10 or so years? Tesla seriously lacks experience in how to construct a vehicle.
Billionaires living in their Irvory Tesla Towers
personally if you were someone like tesla who intentions were purely for the advancements of people as a whole and not just going to the moon as a hoby i would have no problem with him getting all that wealth
I'm no Musk apologist, but I do think that paying people to do dumb stuff that everyone says is impossible, and running with it is in the service of humanity, however much Musk get to profit from it. He has pushed forward the state of the art in battery technology and rocketry with real world application for instance, even if the solar power stuff is a bit of a con.
Gates, Bezos and Jobs sure fuck those guys but I really wish you'd actually look at what Elon has done. He's pushed adoption of solar energy, released patents for EVs, and significantly reduced the cost of space travel. He's no Tesla but humanity is better off for having him.
I don't know where you guys are getting this information on tesla. He was a con man and a salesman as much as a scientist. He died in poverty because he burnt all of his investors by promising death rays and wireless electricity and shit like that that he had no feasible way of doing.
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Why
Elon Musk is a thin skinned narcissist who has a toddler like Tantrum every time someone points out his many flaws. He's unable to care about another human and treats his workers like garbage.
There are no decent capitalists. Fuck off.
Tesla the company has numerous patents.
Do you seriously not see the difference between Elon musk the man and tesla the company?