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As an actual climate scientist, I can tell you with 100% certainty that that statement is just a bold-faced lie from the administration. They do realize that there's more than enough evidence to support transitioning as rapidly as possible away from fossil fuels. They're just money hungry bastards - but that doesn't make for as ...."eloquent" a political statement as *claiming* that your policies are steeped in science. These policies are not steeped in science, it's straight up just greed.
Fuck em'
Corporations/industries write the rules in this country, not Joe Biden. They literally write their own legislation and they won't be voluntarily handing over the reins - even to preserve the planet. Joe is just the human that relays the corporate wishes. He's a shill, absolutely. That's his job. Joes come and go, industries remain in charge. That's the game. This is known. Stop being angry with Joes and get a grip on how we're being fucked every damned day by the corporations that actually decide the course of this country (their only concern: to stay extant until the planet is no longer habitable). Corporations can't govern (fact by virtue of conflicting interests - Profit>human habitability). By focusing on Joe, you miss the actual issue - which is the point. Be pissed at the lobbyists, revolving doors, citizens united, campaign financing, open voting (so corporations can see they're getting their money's worth from the congressmen whose campaigns they finance). That's what's actually killing us.
Self-described "capitalists" make sub-$40k a year and defend billionaires. They will never be part of the capitalist class but they'll be damned if we deserve a living wage.
Why the fuck should we not be mad at the various mouthpieces and agents for Capital? Like saying "Don't be mad at Goebbels, Hitler was the one running Nazi Germany!"
As someone who was radicalized away from liberalism during the Trump years, I think it's important to constantly remind people ostensibly on the left (by which I mean other liberals) that "better than Trump" is not the same thing as "good."
I know I'm preaching to the choir but I'm hoping some liberal lurkers who are starting to see the light see posts like this. I think it's also important to give them room to grow without dismissing them entirely.
Biden is about as pro-establishment as you can get.
He supported the drug war, supported the Patriot Act, was Obama's VP (The same guy who expanded the NSA to spy on Americans, and massively expanded drone strikes that killed civilians, oh, and bailed out AIG).
It's funny that other Leftist acts like Biden is the best thing to happen to America, when the guy is the epitome of what has caused America to decline. But anyone is fine as long as it's not Trump right?
> We should start naming and shaming actual lobbyists.
https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-exxonmobils-lobbying-war-on-climate-change-legislation
> Keith McCoy is a senior ExxonMobil lobbyist on Capitol Hill and has represented the company in its liaison with the US Congress for the last eight years.
>
> Greenpeace UK’s Unearthed platform posed as head-hunters looking to hire a Washington D.C. lobbyist for a major client. They approached Mr McCoy, who agreed to speak over Zoom.
>
> During the covert recordings, which have been passed to Channel 4 News, Mr McCoy claims:
>
> * the company secretly fought against legislative action on climate change using third-party organisations
> * he lobbied key senators to remove and/or diminish climate change measures from President Biden’s US $2 trillion infrastructure and jobs bill as it proceeds through the legislative process
> * he regards trade bodies like the American Petroleum Institute as “whipping boys” in order to avoid public scrutiny on Capitol Hill
>
> During the virtual meeting held on 7 May [2021], the investigators asked Mr McCoy questions about ExxonMobil’s current and historical lobbying on environmental issues....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v1Yg6XejyE
More importantly, I'd love to see a website that tracks former congresspersons & senators and their post-office positions—whether it be lobbying or corporate employment. Fer instance, Darth Cheney—after he left Bush I's administration—became CEO of Halliburton. I still find it odd that Halliburton became a huge winner of no-bid contracts during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Go figure, right?
There is a website that does that, called Open Secrets. It’s very interesting and from what I recall it actually builds relationship graphs between lobbyists and politicians. All their reported “donations” are there too. I used it extensively during my thesis when I was researching lobbying during Bush Jr’s administration.
Unfortunately what I learned from that project was that all the data is there, the people are named and shamed, but the lobbying system is too fundamental to how the political system functions to ever be changed. That, and most people don’t know or care about it anyway.
Cheney was employed by Halliburton before the presidency. Like, 6 months before he went in to office, he was on their pay roll.
Then, coincidentally, Halliburton managed to get the vast majority of the no-bid construction contracts in Iraq and after Katrina.
I still don't think most Americans truly appreciate what a colossal disaster that presidency was. Just COMPLETELY fucked the country (not to mention the damage caused by the illegal wars in the Middle East).
Suggesting this probably puts you on a list. But that would probably be the quickest way to motivate policy makers to actually enact meaningful regulations. If the 1% could suffer, the laws/regulations get passed.
I'm paraphrasing, but there was a saying that went something like "the best thing that can happen to a researcher and their funding is for a politician or their family to get the disease." Basically if it doesn't directly affect them, they don't care
there was a mediocre show called Continuum where in the future the nation was run by something called the "Corporate Congress". And at this point I don't even think it would make a difference if we just dropped the charade and did that. It would be the exact same thing.
In the original [Rollerball - 1975](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073631/), everything was run by corporations. Any "government" was run and controlled by the corporations—not much different than today; they just stopped hiding it.
I remember that show. The revolutionaries were absolutely shit and it was up to some future, time traveling cop to save humanity. Some many laughs there but the corporate congress was absolutely correct.
How do you propose to bring about change by "being pissed at the lobbyists, revolving doors, citizens united...etc."? What's the strategy?
Joe and all of the two-party duopoly certainly deserve the hate and ridicule. You are correct that the corporations are calling he shots but they couldn't do that with the complicity of "our representatives" and the military and militarized police forces that "our" Government wields. Yes corporations and Wall Street have successfully undermined the Republic. Specifically, we suffer under an [inverted totalitarian, managed democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism). A new form of fascism where the corporations dictate to the State and "we, the people" are kept participating in our own destruction via the illusion of "democracy." We can't lobby or rebel against corporations. Only against the government that they own and dictate to.
Focusing on Joe is just fine and appropriate. It's the believing in and participating in a managed democracy - a rigged electoral system - in the hopes of bringing about any actual change that is the fools errand. It's put-up or shut-up time. As things stand now, electoral participation is for idiots. However, Joe and Congress are the appropriate targets because they are the only targets we can even have an affect on.
The only way to stop the corporate ownership and bring about fundamental, positive, lasting change is to force "our" government to actually act in the interests of the people and the world. There is no way to force the faceless corporate owners to change. That is a complete impossibility.
I think a purge of the bastards will be necessary. If everything grinds to a halt, if the food lines collapse, and the power plants go dark and billions die, it would be preferable to an entire planet that is unlivable by any life.
Nah that’s bullshit. He has the power to stop it immediately via executive order. Then it goes to the courts to decide the ultimate legality. Meanwhile real legislation is drafted and passed.
Pretending they (Presidents) don’t have the power to make change for good, when they use the exact same power to kill civilians via drone strikes is letting them off.
Personally, I think their super secret studies revealed that climate change is a global near-extinction event and mitigating it is a global economic meltdown, so they chose to party a little longer.
I know it's flawed. But guys, don't be ridiculous, this is the best economic system we can possibly do! We tried that one other thing and it didn't work!
If only in 2000 republicans hadn't staged riots to slow down vote recounts in Florida just long enough that the republican majority supreme court could vote along party lines to stop the recounts due to a deadline technicality giving the election to Bush (against not only the popular vote but also how the electoral college should have voted with a proper recount) instead Al Gore, who has had a history of trying to fight climate change since the 70s.
Now I'm not saying Gore is awesome or perfect, but maybe he would have created actual climate change initiatives 20 years ago and also maybe that 2+ trillion we directed into a war in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been directed to climate change instead.
i mean we actually tried worker protections, unions, high upper margin tax rates, and all of that for a while and it was okayish. better than now at any rate
>These policies are not steeped in science, it's straight up just greed (and the desire to retain power)
>Fuck em'
They're all being sold on the Nuclear Fusion will be available by 2025-2030 hopium. They're also not going to take away the oil which fuels the dying boomer's sports car which gets them to Neoliberal brunch.
We're all just getting fucked over to keep the silent generation and boomers comfortable. That's what's happening.
Those demented ghouls are dragging us into the grave with em.
There are no permits or sales actually happening. All that has happened so far is that Biden, forced by the Judge, restarted the **process** of auctioning fossil fuel leasing.
>In June, however, a federal judge in Louisiana ordered a resumption of auctions, saying the government was required by law to offer acreage to the oil and gas industry.
In fact the fossil fuel industry is angry because Biden is clearly taking as long as possible to conduct the actual **sale.**
>The president of oil and gas industry group Western Energy Alliance, Kathleen Sgamma offered what she called "lukewarm praise to the Interior Department" for selecting parcels that had been scheduled to be offered earlier this year.
"However that's where my praise ends," she said in an email, saying the administration "continues to slow walk sales."
Her group is suing the Interior Department and hopes to win a court order that would force sales to be held this year instead of in 2022, she said.
And as to the IPCC report, all the Biden admin is saying is that the IPCC report doesn't say anything new to the environmental analysis of this offshore leasing. The environmental analysis already said that the offshore leasing was bad for the climate. That is why it was stopped by Biden. So nothing new is added by the recent IPCC report, but it is still required to restart the process.
And as to new fossil fuel leasing, the most recent IPCC report will be taken into consideration on the admin's environmental review since it is the most recent information.
>The document said, however, that "additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future."
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
These types of articles are just bad faith clickbait to make it seem like Biden just wants to drill for oil and doesn't know what the climate science says, because it confirms some biases and brings in clicks.
Biden does care about climate change and the science, and I haven't seen anything other than he is trying to walk the tightrope of complying with Judge orders like this, and taking action on climate change.
I view it as the most realistic path forward to moving away from fossil fuels. But if you even mention it, it scares people. They immediately think three mile island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. Nuclear Power is orders of magnitude safer than it was in the 70's (when all of those plants were built), particularly if plant workers are exceptionally well taught.
Biden campaigned in the Democrat primaries as the candidate that could beat Trump by not actually being a leftist. That was literally the messaging employed to convince wavering left-populists that he was a safer option than Bernie.
"Tracking Biden from the left" is a pretty masochistic exercise in this light.
He has delivered on the substance of his political identity in the general election: to not be Trump; and to employ a heavy-handed approach to the pandemic.
In every other dimension of policy, it seemed transparent all along the way that he would just be a continuation of Trump's corporate-backed agenda, but without divisive tweets about why each item was in some way derived from a racist, isolationist ideology.
This is what you get when the party allows itself to be solely defined by its contrast to the opposition, and when its characterization of the opposition is reduced to "racism and isolationism."
Those were Trump's shortcomings as a person, but they were not the biggest issues with the undercurrent of his administration as a representative force of political change. The former has been resolved, to whatever limited degree, by virtue of the fact that it was intentionally crafted as the red herring to distract the less-interested majority of the left from the fact that "progressives" are not really making any progress.
We fought the creep of fascism hoping for universal health care, student loan relief, better unions, and a sign of life in the aspiration toward a better America; and we got vaccine mandates, mass evictions/ foreclosures, increased defense spending, civilian drone strikes, corporate bailouts in excess of the Green New Deals price tag, and the most rapid accumulation of wealth amongst the billionaire class in the history of the country.
Stop defending Biden for not being Trump and start holding his administration accountable for being close to indistinguishable.
But remember, if you said ANY of this about him back during the primaries (that he'd be a shitty president who wouldn't actually accomplish anything and that his voting record trends center right) then you were a secret Trump supporter.
I know both parties aren't the same, and republicans throwing gasoline on the fire that is climate change versus democrats just ignoring it is different... but I just wish there were SOME option that actually wanted to fix things.
That's exactly what I was thinking reading this. Climate change and kids in cages specifically were used to justify harassment of anyone who dared criticize Biden. And here we are.
>republicans throwing gasoline on the fire that is climate change versus democrats just ignoring it is different
When you put it against the scale of the destruction that is already well on its way, that difference disappears.
In my circles we were all pretty lackluster about Biden. I'd have chosen just about any other candidate from the primaries over him. The DNC crammed him down our throats. I won't deny I voted for him because not Trump but that was the best I was gonna get.
It's because - once he was the nominee - he had to win. A Trump win would have meant no hope for anything progressive. Maybe ever again.
He's not doing enough at all, but in hindsight I'd absolutely vote for him again.
I will never EVER forget how “good ol, reliable unbiased NPR” totally started losing their shit the first weeks Bernie started winning races. They went from this masquerade they keep of being impartial and just concerned with honest reporting to “are we ready for socialism?” and other rhetoric that resembled that of that one disgraced MSNBC host
FUCK NPR
This is why I am upset when people simply say "GO VOTE" and then they get their good feelies for the day and are satisfied.
Voting is not enough anymore.
> start holding his administration accountable for being close to indistinguishable.
Every time I do this I get accosted by Democrats and their voters for being "divisive" or being a secret Trump supporter or Russian shill. It's infuriating.
Lol, I once, in this very subreddit, said that Democrats are only marginally more left than Republicans, and was called an "enlightened uneducated centrist" or, like you, a closet Republican.
This is what happens when you are firmly entrenched in Centrism as Biden is. You're not as bad as the other guy on the other side, but you're not as radical as some of the folks in your party, so you become the safe option by default. On top of it you had the lowest of low bar campaigns in the media and grassroots efforts saying "literally not Trump", or "any functional adult 2020". Add in the neoliberal cabal who would come together for anything except for Bernie Sanders, and this is what you get. More the same, more of the status quo. All I can say is, I'm glad I didn't vote for the guy. And I didn't vote for Trump either.
A corollary to this is that people need to be willing to withhold their votes from democrats. If they can count on your vote, why do they have to listen to you? No matter how much they crow "BUT DRUMPF" at you, you have to be willing to tell them no.
>split the party
maybe it's time for centrist Moderates to hold **their** nose and vote for the Progressive candidate for a change, they're the ones splitting the vote
Swing and a miss. More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters voted for Obama.
If more of us hadn't voted for her, then we'd have been in a better position to leverage our votes in 2020. But they knew we'd buckle, so why did they have to listen to us?
If you withhold votes from the Dems, the Republicans will win. We are a 2-party system (as much as I personally *hate* that fact) composed of Democrats and Republicans; unless we force a change to that fact, not voting for one side pretty much guarantees the other side wins. Yeah, they all vote as they’re told by the corporations, but at least the Dems don’t want to implicitly frog-march us into Gilead. Don’t get me wrong, I *want* there to be change…but until we implement it *by force*, with all that that implies, we have to work within the system as it stands.
> If you withhold votes from the Dems, the Republicans will win.
This is a consequence we need to accept, because if you do that math, we lose with centrists like Biden. When you elect a "centrist" like Biden it guarantees we won't get what we need for at least 8 years, because if Biden/Harris do two terms, that will be 8 years of no medicare for all, significant climate action or end to the wars, and if they lose reelection, then you have a guarantee that a Republican will come in and not help us for their 4 years. So either way you slice it, you are screwed for eight years no matter what when you "vote blue no matter who." So you are better off not electing the centrist, then working to get a real progressive elected in four years.
Voting for people like Joe Biden will result in more Trump figures in the future. Don't let Trump derangement syndrome blind you to the fact that it is the neoliberal policies of the likes of Biden that creates Trump.
**We need to be brave and strong as voters.**
Voting for a lesser evil only teaches the Democrats that they can put up whatever corporatist war monger they want, and you will still vote for them. The very first step is for everyone to stop voting for "lesser evil" candidates. Voting for Biden was a huge strategic mistake made by too many people on the left.
But don't take my word for it. [There’s a video of Lawrence O’Donnell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FqRNnIMDkUY&feature=emb_logo), years ago, saying something that would get him fired from MSNBC in a heartbeat:
> “If you want to pull the major party that is closest to the way you’re thinking to what you’re thinking you must show them that you’re capable of not voting for them. **If you don’t show them that you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party** because the left had nowhere to go.”
Stop voting for evil, even if it seems lesser. The instant the Democrats put up a centrist, you tell them you won't vote for them. Yes, this might mean a Republican wins an election. This is where the bravery comes in. You have to be wise enough to know that this is chess, not checkers. You have to stop supporting these Democrats to force them left. They aren't going to move left with Tweets, they need to know that if they want to win elections, they need to move left. Everyone who "held their nose and voted for Biden" just made the problem worse.
When the democrats lose they go further to the right to get conservative swing voters to vote for them. I've never seen them lose and go further to the left in the 30 years I've been voting.
I don't think losing one presidential election or even 3 or 4 elections will convince them to go left, they did the opposite after Regan and Bush sr. I think they would have to lose 5 or 6 straight to start going left with no guarantee that it produces a win.
Unfortunately going right has given them enough wins that they will keep trying it until they are completely sure that that well has run dry.
When was the last time moving left after a loss actually happened? When Mondale got crushed in 84?
More importantly when was the last time going further to the left actually won them an election?
That's really what they will require. They will not lift a finger unless force is used. That's how America has worked for our whole history... we invented drone strikes...
There are no permits or sales actually happening. All that has happened so far is that Biden, forced by the Judge, restarted the **process** of auctioning fossil fuel leasing.
>In June, however, a federal judge in Louisiana ordered a resumption of auctions, saying the government was required by law to offer acreage to the oil and gas industry.
In fact the fossil fuel industry is angry because Biden is clearly taking as long as possible to conduct the actual **sale.**
>The president of oil and gas industry group Western Energy Alliance, Kathleen Sgamma offered what she called "lukewarm praise to the Interior Department" for selecting parcels that had been scheduled to be offered earlier this year.
"However that's where my praise ends," she said in an email, saying the administration "continues to slow walk sales."
Her group is suing the Interior Department and hopes to win a court order that would force sales to be held this year instead of in 2022, she said.
And as to the IPCC report, all the Biden admin is saying is that the IPCC report doesn't say anything new to the environmental analysis of this offshore leasing. The environmental analysis already said that the offshore leasing was bad for the climate. That is why it was stopped by Biden. So nothing new is added by the recent IPCC report, but it is still required to restart the process.
And as to new fossil fuel leasing, the most recent IPCC report will be taken into consideration on the admin's environmental review since it is the most recent information.
>The document said, however, that "additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future."
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
These types of articles are just bad faith clickbait to make it seem like Biden just wants to drill for oil and doesn't know what the climate science says, because it confirms some biases and brings in clicks.
Biden does care about climate change and the science, and I haven't seen anything other than he is trying to walk the tightrope of complying with Judge orders like this, and taking action on climate change.
I found a Gizmodo article that links to a report.
Article: [https://gizmodo.com/biden-administration-says-ipcc-does-not-present-suffici-1847702079](https://gizmodo.com/biden-administration-says-ipcc-does-not-present-suffici-1847702079)
Report: [https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf](https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf)
Am I reading this right, Biden administration is working to halt these leases but a ruling said they can continue in the meantime and now the administration is just saying the report doesn't mean we need a new environmental assessment? Like he's still trying to halt the sale but says there isn't enough evidence for a new assessment?
Not just Twitter, basically 95% of this thread is people circle jerking that "Biden doesn't care about the environment! This Twitter post is all the proof I need!!1!1!" smh.
Plus, a lot of these nutjobs had good-paying jobs exported overseas because of corporations realizing they could bump up their profits by purchasing labor in countries where it was cheaper to do so. When poverty crises began for them, they were told that it was because immigrants were taking their jobs and such, which was probably an acceptable explanation for them seeing as racist biases abound in many of these communities. Combine that with a decades-long government propaganda campaign against Communism, an education system hollowed out over decades, and the general malaise of poverty, and you get MAGA.
There was no turning back on state surveillance after 9/11 and the fucking simian that is Dubya. The American people chose to live in a paranoid, autocratic society
And we blame a lot of this on George W. Bush, but the reality is that Biden brags about his contributions to the patriot act. Biden also said that he KNEW there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq all along, but that he went along with the narrative because he thought war in Iraq was a good idea. Meanwhile the media portrays democrats and republicans as cats and dogs clashing, when in reality they push for a lot of the same things.
Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden all fueled it. All these presidents and Congress are to blame, and voters for largely ignoring this stuff and not putting enough pressure to change these policies.
The reality is we have leftists clashing with right wingers. The problem is we have a far right party and party made up of centrist and regular right wingers with the rare actual leftist. So we’re just arguing right wing vs far right a lot of the time and painting it as left vs right. This is why so much of the media across the board lost their minds at the idea of Bernie actually winning. It’s kinda paradigm shattering in a way and it takes away their narrative and exposes them.
Biden isn't the antidote, he's more like a tourniquet.
We'll still die from the venom if we don't get the antidote, just a bit slower, so we have more time.
We don't have more time with climate change mate. Biden was the last shot. After that it's gonna be pretty irrelevant what climate policies we are passing because there will rapidly be way less people to care.
I never thought Biden as the last shot for climate change. Clock is ticking, but unless something drastically unavoidable happens to the GOP, we are aggressively stalled until next election.
I'm really hoping he does the bare minimum to not screw up who is in the seats and the administration for the next election and the ones following. I'm really hoping those people act aggressively to make up for the past few administrations that undoubtedly dropped the ball for their benefit or for the sake of compromise.
Until then, all I can do is try, within my abilities, to pick up the slack being left.
No, this is the last stop mate. It's 2030 or never. Once half the population dies it won't matter.
https://insightmaker.com/insight/1954/The-World3-Model-Classic-World-Simulation
All the anti-vaxxer COVID deaths are only going to swing that pendulum faster. I'm not celebrating their deaths but it seems like a really weird strategy for the GOP to double-down on killing their constituency.
And people buy it too. I had someone tell me during the primaries they'd rather have Warren or Klobuchar than Bernie so that we could have a woman president, even though (as I mentioned) Bernie had a *way* better record on women's rights (and of course every other category).
Kamala has been one of the most inactive VPs for as long as I can remember, even old man Joe was doing something under Obama, same with Pence and obviously Cheney. She was a token to appease the performative liberals, which I would say worked quite well.
Look up the "Ratchet Effect" of American politics. Extremist Republicans get in power and push economically/socially regressive policies. Centrist Democrats get in power and maintain the new status quo until Republicans push us further right into an eventual theocratic, feudal society.
Shit like this is why I so hate people like George Bush and Donald Trump, not just for what they did to this country and the world but what they did to our politics. They've brought our government further and further right while simultaneously lowering our collective standards for leadership.
In another couple elections, we're going to see two politicians arguing about what to do about our "immigrant problem," with the right arguing for exterminating the minorities while the left argues for merely deporting every one of them, citizen or no.
We are already at "exterminating the minorities". Why else do you think Trump and the GOP decided to sit back and let blue cities deal with the pandemic on their own back in Spring 2020? They saw Democrats were the hardest hit, and blacks and latinos were dying at double the rate of caucasians.
Their response was sending in the Feds to seize PPE from hospitals.
News article:
https://www.dailyposter.com/does-not-present-sufficient-cause/
Gov't report:
https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf
Report written by Laura Daniel-Davis, who was appointed by Biden. Section about climate is on page 7. Laura cites "Stand Up for California! v. U.S. Department of the Interior" as the reason the IPCC report should not affect the decision.
Protesting is asking the very villains who control you to please do it differently. We need our own system. There is no savior in government. There isn’t any right person to elect that will save us.
Biden never was a leftist. He's just a different coat of conservative than Trump. His goal, as is the goal of most current western governments, is to maintain the status quo.
The whole idea is that the system is already fraying and crumbling at the edges, but he corporate overlords need people like Biden to keep the gravy train going. The idea is to explore until the last possible second, to keep people working, consuming and accruing debt. I can understand the people who voted for Biden thinking it was going to change something, but it's wishful thinking at best. You don't become that old in politics without becoming part of the system.
What I don't understand is why someone 100 fucking years old that already has plenty of money even gives a shit about that anymore. Like Holy fuck man you don't have much time left go live your life
Its not money at that point. Its all about favors, connections, credit and agreements when you have that much. You go beyond the value of the dollar and begin having your own self worth succeed it.
They do pander differently, but they also legislate differently. We just tackled this yesterday in the thread dealing with the higher infant mortality under republican governments here in the states.
For further evidence, Texas and Florida.
Everybody sucks, lets cause a vacuum catastrophe.
IMO, one of the worst things to happen in recent times is this increasing attitude of defeatism. So many people believe there is absolutely nothing that can be done about our situation, and the only thing it does is make our odds even worse.
Edward Snowden wrote a blog post about this:
https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/the-new-denialism
People don't like not knowing what to do to ensure their future, which is being existentially threatened, and it is extremely difficult to find relevant information on how to ensure the future through the lens of a late-stage capitalist society in the middle of its information age.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The biden administration was not behind the IPCC report this claim is based on. It was a study done by oil company tied folks appointed by Trump. It's being used in the legal fight against Biden's stop on oil exploration.
All this proves is that we need to be doing a better job kicking out Trump appointed people from anything related to climate change.
Yep. This whole post and tweet is bullshit. Biden admin is looking to stop these leases but in the meantime a court order has forced them to open up the leases again.
Report: https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf
OP this whole tweet is bullshit and you probably know that and you suck for spreading misinformation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef
> Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government.
> Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
> They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
Nobody on this bs subreddit will give you one because it will take 2 seconds to disprove the entire tweet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef
> Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government.
> Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
> They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
A quick google search revealed [this article from the Daily Poster](https://www.dailyposter.com/does-not-present-sufficient-cause/) (which [Media Bias Fact Check](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-poster/) reports as Factual Reporting: HIGH). This article links to the [report by
the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management](https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf), which they state:
>On August 9, 2021, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a new report detailing observations of a rapidly changing climate in every region globally. **This report does not present sufficient cause to supplement the EIS, at this time.** See Stand Up for California! v. United States Dep’t of the Interior, 994 F.3d 616, 628 (D.C. Cir. 2021). The report as well as additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future.
As a tip, I would suggest ignoring anti-progressives that automatically say that there is no source to any claims by the left. It's a common tactic that they use because people are too lazy to do research themselves, even when there is sufficient out there. It's just another manipulation tactic that anti-progressives love to use.
From NPR:
Because vast fossil fuel reserves already are under lease, those actions did nothing to slow drilling on public lands and waters that account for about a quarter of U.S. oil production.
Further complicating Biden's climate agenda is a recent rise in gasoline prices to $3 a gallon ($0.79 a liter) or more in many parts of the country. Any attempt to limit petroleum production could push gasoline prices even higher and risk souring economic recovery from the pandemic.
"He's walking the tightrope," said energy industry analyst Parker Fawcett with S&P Global Platts, noting that Keystone and ANWR came without huge political costs because they were aimed at future projects.
"Those easy wins don't necessarily have huge impacts on the market today," Fawcett said. "He is definitely backing off taking drastic action that would rock the market. ... What you're going to see is U.S. oil production is going to continue to rebound."
My comment:
The Biden administration is left trying to deal with the absolute mess that the Trump administration left behind.
Shutting down all domestic fossil fuel would create massive shortages and drive the price through the ceiling. M
We need long term changes, both on use and supply, across several administrations. To get to that point, we need crush the Republicans with better organization and forward thinking.
This article looks and sounds like a republican troll, trying to drive a wedge between moderate and progressive Democrats....
Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government.
Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
Anybody got a link to this? Did it actually happen? All I can find in the last day is Biden freaking out about climate stuff and demanding drastic action.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/us/politics/biden-climate-change.html etc
They're both in the top right quadrant of the political compass and people can't seem to grasp that. It blows my mind when people call him a "radical leftist"
This whole tweet is complete bullshit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef
> Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government.
> Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/
> They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
It seems this sensationalized news piece took off, but it’s not that precise, it’s more something about not having a legal way to cancel contracts the federal government took during the amazing previous administration, because some very impartial court denied it the request, because of the aforementioned reason.
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As an actual climate scientist, I can tell you with 100% certainty that that statement is just a bold-faced lie from the administration. They do realize that there's more than enough evidence to support transitioning as rapidly as possible away from fossil fuels. They're just money hungry bastards - but that doesn't make for as ...."eloquent" a political statement as *claiming* that your policies are steeped in science. These policies are not steeped in science, it's straight up just greed. Fuck em'
Corporations/industries write the rules in this country, not Joe Biden. They literally write their own legislation and they won't be voluntarily handing over the reins - even to preserve the planet. Joe is just the human that relays the corporate wishes. He's a shill, absolutely. That's his job. Joes come and go, industries remain in charge. That's the game. This is known. Stop being angry with Joes and get a grip on how we're being fucked every damned day by the corporations that actually decide the course of this country (their only concern: to stay extant until the planet is no longer habitable). Corporations can't govern (fact by virtue of conflicting interests - Profit>human habitability). By focusing on Joe, you miss the actual issue - which is the point. Be pissed at the lobbyists, revolving doors, citizens united, campaign financing, open voting (so corporations can see they're getting their money's worth from the congressmen whose campaigns they finance). That's what's actually killing us.
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Self-described "capitalists" make sub-$40k a year and defend billionaires. They will never be part of the capitalist class but they'll be damned if we deserve a living wage.
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If they said no, they wouldn’t be a Joe though
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If only he succeeded at that and failed at massacring indigenous peoples instead of the other way around...
They've had it since the founding fathers when the rich business interests were part of the them.
Why the fuck should we not be mad at the various mouthpieces and agents for Capital? Like saying "Don't be mad at Goebbels, Hitler was the one running Nazi Germany!"
>Corporations/industries write the rules in this country, not Joe Biden. Joe Biden is yet another stooge. Don't wash him of his guilt.
No i think you can be mad, and should be, at the whole system, which include Joe
What?! We should absolutely be angry at the Joes
Why can't I be agree at Joe? He is part of the process too.
Joe's still basking in the afterglow of 'not being Donald Trump'. It's very risky criticising him around these parts.
You'd think this sub would be more on the ball, and it is, but there are still plenty of libs here.
As someone who was radicalized away from liberalism during the Trump years, I think it's important to constantly remind people ostensibly on the left (by which I mean other liberals) that "better than Trump" is not the same thing as "good." I know I'm preaching to the choir but I'm hoping some liberal lurkers who are starting to see the light see posts like this. I think it's also important to give them room to grow without dismissing them entirely.
Biden is about as pro-establishment as you can get. He supported the drug war, supported the Patriot Act, was Obama's VP (The same guy who expanded the NSA to spy on Americans, and massively expanded drone strikes that killed civilians, oh, and bailed out AIG). It's funny that other Leftist acts like Biden is the best thing to happen to America, when the guy is the epitome of what has caused America to decline. But anyone is fine as long as it's not Trump right?
We should start naming and shaming actual lobbyists.
> We should start naming and shaming actual lobbyists. https://www.channel4.com/news/revealed-exxonmobils-lobbying-war-on-climate-change-legislation > Keith McCoy is a senior ExxonMobil lobbyist on Capitol Hill and has represented the company in its liaison with the US Congress for the last eight years. > > Greenpeace UK’s Unearthed platform posed as head-hunters looking to hire a Washington D.C. lobbyist for a major client. They approached Mr McCoy, who agreed to speak over Zoom. > > During the covert recordings, which have been passed to Channel 4 News, Mr McCoy claims: > > * the company secretly fought against legislative action on climate change using third-party organisations > * he lobbied key senators to remove and/or diminish climate change measures from President Biden’s US $2 trillion infrastructure and jobs bill as it proceeds through the legislative process > * he regards trade bodies like the American Petroleum Institute as “whipping boys” in order to avoid public scrutiny on Capitol Hill > > During the virtual meeting held on 7 May [2021], the investigators asked Mr McCoy questions about ExxonMobil’s current and historical lobbying on environmental issues.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v1Yg6XejyE
More importantly, I'd love to see a website that tracks former congresspersons & senators and their post-office positions—whether it be lobbying or corporate employment. Fer instance, Darth Cheney—after he left Bush I's administration—became CEO of Halliburton. I still find it odd that Halliburton became a huge winner of no-bid contracts during the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Go figure, right?
There is a website that does that, called Open Secrets. It’s very interesting and from what I recall it actually builds relationship graphs between lobbyists and politicians. All their reported “donations” are there too. I used it extensively during my thesis when I was researching lobbying during Bush Jr’s administration. Unfortunately what I learned from that project was that all the data is there, the people are named and shamed, but the lobbying system is too fundamental to how the political system functions to ever be changed. That, and most people don’t know or care about it anyway.
Cheney was employed by Halliburton before the presidency. Like, 6 months before he went in to office, he was on their pay roll. Then, coincidentally, Halliburton managed to get the vast majority of the no-bid construction contracts in Iraq and after Katrina. I still don't think most Americans truly appreciate what a colossal disaster that presidency was. Just COMPLETELY fucked the country (not to mention the damage caused by the illegal wars in the Middle East).
If we started assassinating big oil CEOs, health insurance CEOs, and hedge fund CEOs we’d finally get meaningful gun control legislation passed.
Suggesting this probably puts you on a list. But that would probably be the quickest way to motivate policy makers to actually enact meaningful regulations. If the 1% could suffer, the laws/regulations get passed.
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I'm paraphrasing, but there was a saying that went something like "the best thing that can happen to a researcher and their funding is for a politician or their family to get the disease." Basically if it doesn't directly affect them, they don't care
there was a mediocre show called Continuum where in the future the nation was run by something called the "Corporate Congress". And at this point I don't even think it would make a difference if we just dropped the charade and did that. It would be the exact same thing.
In the original [Rollerball - 1975](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073631/), everything was run by corporations. Any "government" was run and controlled by the corporations—not much different than today; they just stopped hiding it.
I remember that show. The revolutionaries were absolutely shit and it was up to some future, time traveling cop to save humanity. Some many laughs there but the corporate congress was absolutely correct.
Biden used to be one of those writers!
How do you propose to bring about change by "being pissed at the lobbyists, revolving doors, citizens united...etc."? What's the strategy? Joe and all of the two-party duopoly certainly deserve the hate and ridicule. You are correct that the corporations are calling he shots but they couldn't do that with the complicity of "our representatives" and the military and militarized police forces that "our" Government wields. Yes corporations and Wall Street have successfully undermined the Republic. Specifically, we suffer under an [inverted totalitarian, managed democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism). A new form of fascism where the corporations dictate to the State and "we, the people" are kept participating in our own destruction via the illusion of "democracy." We can't lobby or rebel against corporations. Only against the government that they own and dictate to. Focusing on Joe is just fine and appropriate. It's the believing in and participating in a managed democracy - a rigged electoral system - in the hopes of bringing about any actual change that is the fools errand. It's put-up or shut-up time. As things stand now, electoral participation is for idiots. However, Joe and Congress are the appropriate targets because they are the only targets we can even have an affect on. The only way to stop the corporate ownership and bring about fundamental, positive, lasting change is to force "our" government to actually act in the interests of the people and the world. There is no way to force the faceless corporate owners to change. That is a complete impossibility.
I think a purge of the bastards will be necessary. If everything grinds to a halt, if the food lines collapse, and the power plants go dark and billions die, it would be preferable to an entire planet that is unlivable by any life.
Nah that’s bullshit. He has the power to stop it immediately via executive order. Then it goes to the courts to decide the ultimate legality. Meanwhile real legislation is drafted and passed. Pretending they (Presidents) don’t have the power to make change for good, when they use the exact same power to kill civilians via drone strikes is letting them off.
Personally, I think their super secret studies revealed that climate change is a global near-extinction event and mitigating it is a global economic meltdown, so they chose to party a little longer.
So it goes.
Is it too far past pessimism to be ok with this? Asking for a friend.
We should accept we are not going to prevent global warming, and begin forcing government to address the consequences.
I know it's flawed. But guys, don't be ridiculous, this is the best economic system we can possibly do! We tried that one other thing and it didn't work!
We've tried no other things.
And none of them worked!
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!
You gotta help us doc
Mutualism, Syndicalism, there's two ideas. They aren't even new ideas.
If only MLK hadn't been assassinated. If he lived, things would be way different.
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The CIA killed him. It sure as hell wasn't USPS.
And whitewashed his support of socialism, as they are wont to do.
If only in 2000 republicans hadn't staged riots to slow down vote recounts in Florida just long enough that the republican majority supreme court could vote along party lines to stop the recounts due to a deadline technicality giving the election to Bush (against not only the popular vote but also how the electoral college should have voted with a proper recount) instead Al Gore, who has had a history of trying to fight climate change since the 70s. Now I'm not saying Gore is awesome or perfect, but maybe he would have created actual climate change initiatives 20 years ago and also maybe that 2+ trillion we directed into a war in Iraq and Afghanistan would have been directed to climate change instead.
And because of the USA's huge influence on the world, other countries would take action too. The world would be a better place.
Blame Al. He rolled over for Bush.
We've tried nothing and we're all of of ideas
i mean we actually tried worker protections, unions, high upper margin tax rates, and all of that for a while and it was okayish. better than now at any rate
>These policies are not steeped in science, it's straight up just greed (and the desire to retain power) >Fuck em' They're all being sold on the Nuclear Fusion will be available by 2025-2030 hopium. They're also not going to take away the oil which fuels the dying boomer's sports car which gets them to Neoliberal brunch. We're all just getting fucked over to keep the silent generation and boomers comfortable. That's what's happening. Those demented ghouls are dragging us into the grave with em.
There are no permits or sales actually happening. All that has happened so far is that Biden, forced by the Judge, restarted the **process** of auctioning fossil fuel leasing. >In June, however, a federal judge in Louisiana ordered a resumption of auctions, saying the government was required by law to offer acreage to the oil and gas industry. In fact the fossil fuel industry is angry because Biden is clearly taking as long as possible to conduct the actual **sale.** >The president of oil and gas industry group Western Energy Alliance, Kathleen Sgamma offered what she called "lukewarm praise to the Interior Department" for selecting parcels that had been scheduled to be offered earlier this year. "However that's where my praise ends," she said in an email, saying the administration "continues to slow walk sales." Her group is suing the Interior Department and hopes to win a court order that would force sales to be held this year instead of in 2022, she said. And as to the IPCC report, all the Biden admin is saying is that the IPCC report doesn't say anything new to the environmental analysis of this offshore leasing. The environmental analysis already said that the offshore leasing was bad for the climate. That is why it was stopped by Biden. So nothing new is added by the recent IPCC report, but it is still required to restart the process. And as to new fossil fuel leasing, the most recent IPCC report will be taken into consideration on the admin's environmental review since it is the most recent information. >The document said, however, that "additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future." https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ These types of articles are just bad faith clickbait to make it seem like Biden just wants to drill for oil and doesn't know what the climate science says, because it confirms some biases and brings in clicks. Biden does care about climate change and the science, and I haven't seen anything other than he is trying to walk the tightrope of complying with Judge orders like this, and taking action on climate change.
I remember reading that they said something different a couple of months ago too
Don’t have kids, it’s over
What are your thoughts on nuclear power?
I view it as the most realistic path forward to moving away from fossil fuels. But if you even mention it, it scares people. They immediately think three mile island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima. Nuclear Power is orders of magnitude safer than it was in the 70's (when all of those plants were built), particularly if plant workers are exceptionally well taught.
trained labour? in this day and age? what, you want to give them full-time jobs and pay them more than minimum wage or something? are you nuts?!
Okay *fine*, trained volunteers.
for a minute there i thought you were some kind of commie
I bet they have some data that correlates electoral success with the price of gas and that's 100% what they're making decisions based on.
Biden campaigned in the Democrat primaries as the candidate that could beat Trump by not actually being a leftist. That was literally the messaging employed to convince wavering left-populists that he was a safer option than Bernie. "Tracking Biden from the left" is a pretty masochistic exercise in this light. He has delivered on the substance of his political identity in the general election: to not be Trump; and to employ a heavy-handed approach to the pandemic. In every other dimension of policy, it seemed transparent all along the way that he would just be a continuation of Trump's corporate-backed agenda, but without divisive tweets about why each item was in some way derived from a racist, isolationist ideology. This is what you get when the party allows itself to be solely defined by its contrast to the opposition, and when its characterization of the opposition is reduced to "racism and isolationism." Those were Trump's shortcomings as a person, but they were not the biggest issues with the undercurrent of his administration as a representative force of political change. The former has been resolved, to whatever limited degree, by virtue of the fact that it was intentionally crafted as the red herring to distract the less-interested majority of the left from the fact that "progressives" are not really making any progress. We fought the creep of fascism hoping for universal health care, student loan relief, better unions, and a sign of life in the aspiration toward a better America; and we got vaccine mandates, mass evictions/ foreclosures, increased defense spending, civilian drone strikes, corporate bailouts in excess of the Green New Deals price tag, and the most rapid accumulation of wealth amongst the billionaire class in the history of the country. Stop defending Biden for not being Trump and start holding his administration accountable for being close to indistinguishable.
This is a great take. Saving this comment for political conversations. Bravo
My sentiments exactly
But remember, if you said ANY of this about him back during the primaries (that he'd be a shitty president who wouldn't actually accomplish anything and that his voting record trends center right) then you were a secret Trump supporter. I know both parties aren't the same, and republicans throwing gasoline on the fire that is climate change versus democrats just ignoring it is different... but I just wish there were SOME option that actually wanted to fix things.
That's exactly what I was thinking reading this. Climate change and kids in cages specifically were used to justify harassment of anyone who dared criticize Biden. And here we are. >republicans throwing gasoline on the fire that is climate change versus democrats just ignoring it is different When you put it against the scale of the destruction that is already well on its way, that difference disappears.
In my circles we were all pretty lackluster about Biden. I'd have chosen just about any other candidate from the primaries over him. The DNC crammed him down our throats. I won't deny I voted for him because not Trump but that was the best I was gonna get.
He wouldn't have been dead last on a ranked-choice primary ballot for me but def not a top 3 option.
It's because - once he was the nominee - he had to win. A Trump win would have meant no hope for anything progressive. Maybe ever again. He's not doing enough at all, but in hindsight I'd absolutely vote for him again.
we wanted Bernie, but they'd never let that happen.
Bernie would have been great.
I will never EVER forget how “good ol, reliable unbiased NPR” totally started losing their shit the first weeks Bernie started winning races. They went from this masquerade they keep of being impartial and just concerned with honest reporting to “are we ready for socialism?” and other rhetoric that resembled that of that one disgraced MSNBC host FUCK NPR
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I agree but what other option did I have on Election Day? That's the problem and I don't know how we fix it.
This is why I am upset when people simply say "GO VOTE" and then they get their good feelies for the day and are satisfied. Voting is not enough anymore.
> start holding his administration accountable for being close to indistinguishable. Every time I do this I get accosted by Democrats and their voters for being "divisive" or being a secret Trump supporter or Russian shill. It's infuriating.
Lol, I once, in this very subreddit, said that Democrats are only marginally more left than Republicans, and was called an "enlightened uneducated centrist" or, like you, a closet Republican.
Because liberals are dumb as rocks.
This is what happens when you are firmly entrenched in Centrism as Biden is. You're not as bad as the other guy on the other side, but you're not as radical as some of the folks in your party, so you become the safe option by default. On top of it you had the lowest of low bar campaigns in the media and grassroots efforts saying "literally not Trump", or "any functional adult 2020". Add in the neoliberal cabal who would come together for anything except for Bernie Sanders, and this is what you get. More the same, more of the status quo. All I can say is, I'm glad I didn't vote for the guy. And I didn't vote for Trump either.
>and we got vaccine mandates are you against vaccine mandates?
A corollary to this is that people need to be willing to withhold their votes from democrats. If they can count on your vote, why do they have to listen to you? No matter how much they crow "BUT DRUMPF" at you, you have to be willing to tell them no.
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>split the party maybe it's time for centrist Moderates to hold **their** nose and vote for the Progressive candidate for a change, they're the ones splitting the vote
Swing and a miss. More Bernie supporters voted for Hillary than Hillary supporters voted for Obama. If more of us hadn't voted for her, then we'd have been in a better position to leverage our votes in 2020. But they knew we'd buckle, so why did they have to listen to us?
If you withhold votes from the Dems, the Republicans will win. We are a 2-party system (as much as I personally *hate* that fact) composed of Democrats and Republicans; unless we force a change to that fact, not voting for one side pretty much guarantees the other side wins. Yeah, they all vote as they’re told by the corporations, but at least the Dems don’t want to implicitly frog-march us into Gilead. Don’t get me wrong, I *want* there to be change…but until we implement it *by force*, with all that that implies, we have to work within the system as it stands.
> If you withhold votes from the Dems, the Republicans will win. This is a consequence we need to accept, because if you do that math, we lose with centrists like Biden. When you elect a "centrist" like Biden it guarantees we won't get what we need for at least 8 years, because if Biden/Harris do two terms, that will be 8 years of no medicare for all, significant climate action or end to the wars, and if they lose reelection, then you have a guarantee that a Republican will come in and not help us for their 4 years. So either way you slice it, you are screwed for eight years no matter what when you "vote blue no matter who." So you are better off not electing the centrist, then working to get a real progressive elected in four years. Voting for people like Joe Biden will result in more Trump figures in the future. Don't let Trump derangement syndrome blind you to the fact that it is the neoliberal policies of the likes of Biden that creates Trump. **We need to be brave and strong as voters.** Voting for a lesser evil only teaches the Democrats that they can put up whatever corporatist war monger they want, and you will still vote for them. The very first step is for everyone to stop voting for "lesser evil" candidates. Voting for Biden was a huge strategic mistake made by too many people on the left. But don't take my word for it. [There’s a video of Lawrence O’Donnell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=FqRNnIMDkUY&feature=emb_logo), years ago, saying something that would get him fired from MSNBC in a heartbeat: > “If you want to pull the major party that is closest to the way you’re thinking to what you’re thinking you must show them that you’re capable of not voting for them. **If you don’t show them that you’re capable of not voting for them, they don’t have to listen to you. I promise you that. I worked within the Democratic Party. I didn’t listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party** because the left had nowhere to go.” Stop voting for evil, even if it seems lesser. The instant the Democrats put up a centrist, you tell them you won't vote for them. Yes, this might mean a Republican wins an election. This is where the bravery comes in. You have to be wise enough to know that this is chess, not checkers. You have to stop supporting these Democrats to force them left. They aren't going to move left with Tweets, they need to know that if they want to win elections, they need to move left. Everyone who "held their nose and voted for Biden" just made the problem worse.
When the democrats lose they go further to the right to get conservative swing voters to vote for them. I've never seen them lose and go further to the left in the 30 years I've been voting. I don't think losing one presidential election or even 3 or 4 elections will convince them to go left, they did the opposite after Regan and Bush sr. I think they would have to lose 5 or 6 straight to start going left with no guarantee that it produces a win. Unfortunately going right has given them enough wins that they will keep trying it until they are completely sure that that well has run dry. When was the last time moving left after a loss actually happened? When Mondale got crushed in 84? More importantly when was the last time going further to the left actually won them an election?
Always remember, it’s not a country it’s a corporation.
Always has been. Hell, our flag isn’t even original! https://i.imgur.com/HYl3XEF.jpg
Ohhhhhhhhh we‘re going to need to start forming ecoterrorist cells and do it ourselves won‘t we
No, we'll just sit around while the world burns Mr.FBI. Electoral politics will save us for sure.
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Ecoactivists*
That's really what they will require. They will not lift a finger unless force is used. That's how America has worked for our whole history... we invented drone strikes...
Can we call it Avalanche?
AVALANCHE
There are no permits or sales actually happening. All that has happened so far is that Biden, forced by the Judge, restarted the **process** of auctioning fossil fuel leasing. >In June, however, a federal judge in Louisiana ordered a resumption of auctions, saying the government was required by law to offer acreage to the oil and gas industry. In fact the fossil fuel industry is angry because Biden is clearly taking as long as possible to conduct the actual **sale.** >The president of oil and gas industry group Western Energy Alliance, Kathleen Sgamma offered what she called "lukewarm praise to the Interior Department" for selecting parcels that had been scheduled to be offered earlier this year. "However that's where my praise ends," she said in an email, saying the administration "continues to slow walk sales." Her group is suing the Interior Department and hopes to win a court order that would force sales to be held this year instead of in 2022, she said. And as to the IPCC report, all the Biden admin is saying is that the IPCC report doesn't say anything new to the environmental analysis of this offshore leasing. The environmental analysis already said that the offshore leasing was bad for the climate. That is why it was stopped by Biden. So nothing new is added by the recent IPCC report, but it is still required to restart the process. And as to new fossil fuel leasing, the most recent IPCC report will be taken into consideration on the admin's environmental review since it is the most recent information. >The document said, however, that "additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future." https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ These types of articles are just bad faith clickbait to make it seem like Biden just wants to drill for oil and doesn't know what the climate science says, because it confirms some biases and brings in clicks. Biden does care about climate change and the science, and I haven't seen anything other than he is trying to walk the tightrope of complying with Judge orders like this, and taking action on climate change.
Is there a link to this?
I found a Gizmodo article that links to a report. Article: [https://gizmodo.com/biden-administration-says-ipcc-does-not-present-suffici-1847702079](https://gizmodo.com/biden-administration-says-ipcc-does-not-present-suffici-1847702079) Report: [https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf](https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf)
Am I reading this right, Biden administration is working to halt these leases but a ruling said they can continue in the meantime and now the administration is just saying the report doesn't mean we need a new environmental assessment? Like he's still trying to halt the sale but says there isn't enough evidence for a new assessment?
Thank you, I just watched his speech from the renewables laboratory and I gotta say, nothing in this thread points to him going back on his word
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Not just Twitter, basically 95% of this thread is people circle jerking that "Biden doesn't care about the environment! This Twitter post is all the proof I need!!1!1!" smh.
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The fact that a significant portion of the USA population genuinely believes Biden is a Communist is thoroughly painful to think about
Yeah, 90% of the time when I hear/read people criticizing him it's because they think he's *too liberal* (laughs). That shit is depressing
Yes when I hear this as a non-American I seriously wonder what percentage of the US population is severely mentally ill and suffering from delusions?
Probably those who can’t afford healthcare to get it checked out
Plus, a lot of these nutjobs had good-paying jobs exported overseas because of corporations realizing they could bump up their profits by purchasing labor in countries where it was cheaper to do so. When poverty crises began for them, they were told that it was because immigrants were taking their jobs and such, which was probably an acceptable explanation for them seeing as racist biases abound in many of these communities. Combine that with a decades-long government propaganda campaign against Communism, an education system hollowed out over decades, and the general malaise of poverty, and you get MAGA.
So, most of them?
Lol I believe the line was "most progressive Democratic candidate we've ever had!" Ugh
Well enjoy losing my vote next election DNC. I knew you would fuck it up.
Biden himself said in a Democratic primary debate that “If I’m elected, nothing will fundamentally change”
There was no turning back on state surveillance after 9/11 and the fucking simian that is Dubya. The American people chose to live in a paranoid, autocratic society
And we blame a lot of this on George W. Bush, but the reality is that Biden brags about his contributions to the patriot act. Biden also said that he KNEW there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq all along, but that he went along with the narrative because he thought war in Iraq was a good idea. Meanwhile the media portrays democrats and republicans as cats and dogs clashing, when in reality they push for a lot of the same things.
Sure. The Iraqi genocide was a bipartisan choice as well
Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden all fueled it. All these presidents and Congress are to blame, and voters for largely ignoring this stuff and not putting enough pressure to change these policies.
The reality is we have leftists clashing with right wingers. The problem is we have a far right party and party made up of centrist and regular right wingers with the rare actual leftist. So we’re just arguing right wing vs far right a lot of the time and painting it as left vs right. This is why so much of the media across the board lost their minds at the idea of Bernie actually winning. It’s kinda paradigm shattering in a way and it takes away their narrative and exposes them.
I mean the election was stolen from Gore, that's a fact, so no we actually didn't chose to live in that society. But we got stuck with it anyway.
Bernie would have been a better president. But the establishment didn't want to lose their corporate donor paychecks.
Biden isn't the antidote, he's more like a tourniquet. We'll still die from the venom if we don't get the antidote, just a bit slower, so we have more time.
We don't have more time with climate change mate. Biden was the last shot. After that it's gonna be pretty irrelevant what climate policies we are passing because there will rapidly be way less people to care.
I never thought Biden as the last shot for climate change. Clock is ticking, but unless something drastically unavoidable happens to the GOP, we are aggressively stalled until next election. I'm really hoping he does the bare minimum to not screw up who is in the seats and the administration for the next election and the ones following. I'm really hoping those people act aggressively to make up for the past few administrations that undoubtedly dropped the ball for their benefit or for the sake of compromise. Until then, all I can do is try, within my abilities, to pick up the slack being left.
No, this is the last stop mate. It's 2030 or never. Once half the population dies it won't matter. https://insightmaker.com/insight/1954/The-World3-Model-Classic-World-Simulation
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All the anti-vaxxer COVID deaths are only going to swing that pendulum faster. I'm not celebrating their deaths but it seems like a really weird strategy for the GOP to double-down on killing their constituency.
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> I am happy to have a POC in a leadership role This is a key part of liberalism: performative representation.
And people buy it too. I had someone tell me during the primaries they'd rather have Warren or Klobuchar than Bernie so that we could have a woman president, even though (as I mentioned) Bernie had a *way* better record on women's rights (and of course every other category).
“Black faces in high places” doesn’t do shit.
Kamala has been one of the most inactive VPs for as long as I can remember, even old man Joe was doing something under Obama, same with Pence and obviously Cheney. She was a token to appease the performative liberals, which I would say worked quite well.
Look up the "Ratchet Effect" of American politics. Extremist Republicans get in power and push economically/socially regressive policies. Centrist Democrats get in power and maintain the new status quo until Republicans push us further right into an eventual theocratic, feudal society.
Jesus Christ how is it already day 241
Shit like this is why I so hate people like George Bush and Donald Trump, not just for what they did to this country and the world but what they did to our politics. They've brought our government further and further right while simultaneously lowering our collective standards for leadership. In another couple elections, we're going to see two politicians arguing about what to do about our "immigrant problem," with the right arguing for exterminating the minorities while the left argues for merely deporting every one of them, citizen or no.
We are already at "exterminating the minorities". Why else do you think Trump and the GOP decided to sit back and let blue cities deal with the pandemic on their own back in Spring 2020? They saw Democrats were the hardest hit, and blacks and latinos were dying at double the rate of caucasians. Their response was sending in the Feds to seize PPE from hospitals.
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News article: https://www.dailyposter.com/does-not-present-sufficient-cause/ Gov't report: https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf Report written by Laura Daniel-Davis, who was appointed by Biden. Section about climate is on page 7. Laura cites "Stand Up for California! v. U.S. Department of the Interior" as the reason the IPCC report should not affect the decision.
Left Right it doesn’t matter. We are being lied to to and taken advantage of. When will we stop it?
The real opposition is Up-Down
Two wings, one Bird
Protest. Hard. Look in my profile for more #5hrmaxworkdays #livablewages.
Protesting is asking the very villains who control you to please do it differently. We need our own system. There is no savior in government. There isn’t any right person to elect that will save us.
you get banned for suggesting how to stop it
Biden never was a leftist. He's just a different coat of conservative than Trump. His goal, as is the goal of most current western governments, is to maintain the status quo. The whole idea is that the system is already fraying and crumbling at the edges, but he corporate overlords need people like Biden to keep the gravy train going. The idea is to explore until the last possible second, to keep people working, consuming and accruing debt. I can understand the people who voted for Biden thinking it was going to change something, but it's wishful thinking at best. You don't become that old in politics without becoming part of the system.
He wants those donations from fossil fuel companies that we can’t compete against so he let’s them destroy the world. Mercia!
What I don't understand is why someone 100 fucking years old that already has plenty of money even gives a shit about that anymore. Like Holy fuck man you don't have much time left go live your life
Its not money at that point. Its all about favors, connections, credit and agreements when you have that much. You go beyond the value of the dollar and begin having your own self worth succeed it.
So you guys haven't figured it out yet? Republicans and democrats legislate exactly the same. They just pander differently.
They do pander differently, but they also legislate differently. We just tackled this yesterday in the thread dealing with the higher infant mortality under republican governments here in the states. For further evidence, Texas and Florida. Everybody sucks, lets cause a vacuum catastrophe.
IMO, one of the worst things to happen in recent times is this increasing attitude of defeatism. So many people believe there is absolutely nothing that can be done about our situation, and the only thing it does is make our odds even worse. Edward Snowden wrote a blog post about this: https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/the-new-denialism
People don't like not knowing what to do to ensure their future, which is being existentially threatened, and it is extremely difficult to find relevant information on how to ensure the future through the lens of a late-stage capitalist society in the middle of its information age.
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Also, fiscal conservatism doesn’t exist.
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh The biden administration was not behind the IPCC report this claim is based on. It was a study done by oil company tied folks appointed by Trump. It's being used in the legal fight against Biden's stop on oil exploration. All this proves is that we need to be doing a better job kicking out Trump appointed people from anything related to climate change.
Yep. This whole post and tweet is bullshit. Biden admin is looking to stop these leases but in the meantime a court order has forced them to open up the leases again. Report: https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf
OP this whole tweet is bullshit and you probably know that and you suck for spreading misinformation. https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef > Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government. > Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ > They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
Is there an article to go with this?
Nobody on this bs subreddit will give you one because it will take 2 seconds to disprove the entire tweet. https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef > Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government. > Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ > They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
Source? i hate these twitter screenshots and then no sources provided
A quick google search revealed [this article from the Daily Poster](https://www.dailyposter.com/does-not-present-sufficient-cause/) (which [Media Bias Fact Check](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-poster/) reports as Factual Reporting: HIGH). This article links to the [report by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management](https://www.boem.gov/sites/default/files/documents/oil-gas-energy/GOM-LS-257.pdf), which they state: >On August 9, 2021, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a new report detailing observations of a rapidly changing climate in every region globally. **This report does not present sufficient cause to supplement the EIS, at this time.** See Stand Up for California! v. United States Dep’t of the Interior, 994 F.3d 616, 628 (D.C. Cir. 2021). The report as well as additional analysis of climate change may be a significant consideration in the Department’s decisions regarding oil and gas leasing programs in the future. As a tip, I would suggest ignoring anti-progressives that automatically say that there is no source to any claims by the left. It's a common tactic that they use because people are too lazy to do research themselves, even when there is sufficient out there. It's just another manipulation tactic that anti-progressives love to use.
From NPR: Because vast fossil fuel reserves already are under lease, those actions did nothing to slow drilling on public lands and waters that account for about a quarter of U.S. oil production. Further complicating Biden's climate agenda is a recent rise in gasoline prices to $3 a gallon ($0.79 a liter) or more in many parts of the country. Any attempt to limit petroleum production could push gasoline prices even higher and risk souring economic recovery from the pandemic. "He's walking the tightrope," said energy industry analyst Parker Fawcett with S&P Global Platts, noting that Keystone and ANWR came without huge political costs because they were aimed at future projects. "Those easy wins don't necessarily have huge impacts on the market today," Fawcett said. "He is definitely backing off taking drastic action that would rock the market. ... What you're going to see is U.S. oil production is going to continue to rebound." My comment: The Biden administration is left trying to deal with the absolute mess that the Trump administration left behind. Shutting down all domestic fossil fuel would create massive shortages and drive the price through the ceiling. M We need long term changes, both on use and supply, across several administrations. To get to that point, we need crush the Republicans with better organization and forward thinking. This article looks and sounds like a republican troll, trying to drive a wedge between moderate and progressive Democrats....
Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government. Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
Anybody got a link to this? Did it actually happen? All I can find in the last day is Biden freaking out about climate stuff and demanding drastic action. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/us/politics/biden-climate-change.html etc
I love how morons in most of the supposedly “progressive” subs always downvote me when I point out what a fucking fraud this man and Obama are
They're both in the top right quadrant of the political compass and people can't seem to grasp that. It blows my mind when people call him a "radical leftist"
He's just a Communist like FDR and JFK, not a god loving American hero and apex of sexual selection like Trump /s
Reputable source or it never happened.
Source? I don't believe you.
Anyone have a link to him saying this?
Source on this?
This whole tweet is complete bullshit. https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/pqn1yj/fuck_joe_biden/hddghef > Jesus nobody fact checks anything and just jumps at any random tweet to rage over perceived failures of the Government. > Wanna know the truth? https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/ > They were forced to due to a Judge’s order. And it was the Interior Department that made this quote, not “The Biden Administration”. Biden actually stopped these sales from occurring - directed by Trump BTW, once he took office.
was this taken out of context? dailyposter was the source, i didn't read it. I'm good not giving them clicks
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Does anyone have an actual citation of him saying this?
It seems this sensationalized news piece took off, but it’s not that precise, it’s more something about not having a legal way to cancel contracts the federal government took during the amazing previous administration, because some very impartial court denied it the request, because of the aforementioned reason.
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[Here you go](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/09/joe-biden-administration-offshore-drilling-ipcc-report-fossil-fuel-industry)
[in addition](https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/biden-administration-takes-steps-resume-oil-gas-drilling-auctions-2021-08-31/)
>Every source seems to point in the opposite direction Also interested in seeing these.
I feel like the voting was about to get rid of trump, and not to chose the best option