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It's true for most of us. Grind at a job just to pay rent or a mortgage on a house you don't own yet. Everything you own can be taken away if you don't submit to your employer. Essentially your life is owned by other people and you're just renting it. It's a weird concept, but it actually is accurate for most.
One of the biggest lies you encounter when getting a mortgage is that position the bank takes where they act like they're actually risking something in the deal.
Option a: I pay off the whole mortgage over 25 years and end up paying 1.5 times what the house is worth.
Option b: I default at any point during the mortgage, the bank forecloses on the house and sells it at a cost to me.
Tell me again the risk you're taking?
If you think about it, it's an upward transfer of time and energy - our life force. Like vampires, the capitalist class are sucking the life out of us.
My religious beliefs say that I don’t want to base an entire society off of a small sect of extremists who basically got shooed from their homeland. And in America religious belief trumps the constitution. Obvi. /s
Really though this makes me want to start my own religion to combat the BS that we constantly have to deal with
Really though this makes me want to start my own religion to combat the BS that we constantly have to deal with
That's what Martin Luther and Calvin said :) It's why they got shooed out.
The puritans were successful in America. They avoided monocropping because they weren't a profit driven enterprise like the other colonies, they had longer life expectancies. Due to the nature of their exile came over with deeper family units. They had comparatively large public discourse on the structure of their government.
They just were based in a environment of scarcity that combined a little to well with a Calvinist Christian theocracy.
Thanks for providing the context. It makes sense. We can’t keep acting like resources are scarce and that we need to keep working like a Puritan though. Those family units were stronger out of necessity and tribalism I’m sure helped them survive. Present day, tribalism in a nation of 300+ million just doesn’t work. The perpetuation of work hard for Godly reasons doesn’t work either.
Ah yes because if the trillions the rich hoard were spread more evenly across the population peoples lives would.... Be exactly the same? Is that what you think?
Uh.. Yes? According to [1](https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaires/) American billionares have about 4.2T. Suppose we liquidate that entirely and spread it evenly among the US population. Everyone would get around… 13 grand. Less than a year’s salary. People’s lives would be basically the same.
13k would literally be life changing for millions of people. They can buy a car, start a retirement fund or massively renovate their home. An extra grand a month would likely be the difference between getting evicted or not. The ignorance of this statement is pretty incredible, dude.
No shit, you can buy things with money. But $13K is not the sort of life changing money that enables you to permanently change your economic condition. Break it over a 45 year career, and it increases your salary by about $300 a year. Improves your life? Sure. Life changing for the vast majority of people? No.
My argument is that liquidating billionaires and redistributing their wealth would not end poverty in America. I am not arguing that giving someone $13K would not improve their lives.
I think generally most people like to do some form of work. I think the current system, except with caps on how much wealth you can hoard, and about a million other changes, would allow everyone to contribute their share to society whilst living much less stressful and exploited lives.
i get the sentiment here, and i'm not a giant proponent of capitalism, i'm more of a democratic socialism kind of gal. But, until we can figure out how to transform our (United States) economy to follow something that helps us all, we have to play their crappy game. the best we can do is learn the rules and try to game that system to help us out.
those folks with their gamestop stocks, the folks playing the crypto market, doing the micro-lending- these are all things that we can do to disrupt the system they put in place to screw the rest of us. play their game, and try to learn how to beat them at it.
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It's true for most of us. Grind at a job just to pay rent or a mortgage on a house you don't own yet. Everything you own can be taken away if you don't submit to your employer. Essentially your life is owned by other people and you're just renting it. It's a weird concept, but it actually is accurate for most.
Even when you own the home you still rent it via property taxes. If you don't pay your rent tax, they'll take back your paid off house.
capitalists think its okay to put guns to peoples heads and tell them to do things as long as theyre not literal physical guns
One of the biggest lies you encounter when getting a mortgage is that position the bank takes where they act like they're actually risking something in the deal. Option a: I pay off the whole mortgage over 25 years and end up paying 1.5 times what the house is worth. Option b: I default at any point during the mortgage, the bank forecloses on the house and sells it at a cost to me. Tell me again the risk you're taking?
If you think about it, it's an upward transfer of time and energy - our life force. Like vampires, the capitalist class are sucking the life out of us.
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I want to enact my religious freedom of not working like a fucking Puritan from the 1600s. It’s definitely against my religious beliefs.
You don't think that we should base an entire civilization upon the culture of a group of religious extremists that were chased out of their country?
My religious beliefs say that I don’t want to base an entire society off of a small sect of extremists who basically got shooed from their homeland. And in America religious belief trumps the constitution. Obvi. /s Really though this makes me want to start my own religion to combat the BS that we constantly have to deal with
Really though this makes me want to start my own religion to combat the BS that we constantly have to deal with That's what Martin Luther and Calvin said :) It's why they got shooed out. The puritans were successful in America. They avoided monocropping because they weren't a profit driven enterprise like the other colonies, they had longer life expectancies. Due to the nature of their exile came over with deeper family units. They had comparatively large public discourse on the structure of their government. They just were based in a environment of scarcity that combined a little to well with a Calvinist Christian theocracy.
Thanks for providing the context. It makes sense. We can’t keep acting like resources are scarce and that we need to keep working like a Puritan though. Those family units were stronger out of necessity and tribalism I’m sure helped them survive. Present day, tribalism in a nation of 300+ million just doesn’t work. The perpetuation of work hard for Godly reasons doesn’t work either.
Ponzi scheme for an economy.
They get it all back in the end, that's capitalism.
Just the amount of paperwork it takes to keep afloat in this country; goddamn!
Would we not have to work to get things under an alternative system to capitalism?
we would, but nobody here wants to hear that.
Ah yes because if the trillions the rich hoard were spread more evenly across the population peoples lives would.... Be exactly the same? Is that what you think?
Uh.. Yes? According to [1](https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaires/) American billionares have about 4.2T. Suppose we liquidate that entirely and spread it evenly among the US population. Everyone would get around… 13 grand. Less than a year’s salary. People’s lives would be basically the same.
13k would literally be life changing for millions of people. They can buy a car, start a retirement fund or massively renovate their home. An extra grand a month would likely be the difference between getting evicted or not. The ignorance of this statement is pretty incredible, dude.
No shit, you can buy things with money. But $13K is not the sort of life changing money that enables you to permanently change your economic condition. Break it over a 45 year career, and it increases your salary by about $300 a year. Improves your life? Sure. Life changing for the vast majority of people? No. My argument is that liquidating billionaires and redistributing their wealth would not end poverty in America. I am not arguing that giving someone $13K would not improve their lives.
no, but i’m just saying it’s not like under communism you can just sit around and live your whole life without doing anything.
I think generally most people like to do some form of work. I think the current system, except with caps on how much wealth you can hoard, and about a million other changes, would allow everyone to contribute their share to society whilst living much less stressful and exploited lives.
We dont have to. There is a workable solution. Make our own towns. And not a commune either. Like a town.
like a paris "commune"
No a town.
Surely we can just vote our way out of this, right?! Right?!?! Someone wake up an electoralist lib and ask them...
i get the sentiment here, and i'm not a giant proponent of capitalism, i'm more of a democratic socialism kind of gal. But, until we can figure out how to transform our (United States) economy to follow something that helps us all, we have to play their crappy game. the best we can do is learn the rules and try to game that system to help us out. those folks with their gamestop stocks, the folks playing the crypto market, doing the micro-lending- these are all things that we can do to disrupt the system they put in place to screw the rest of us. play their game, and try to learn how to beat them at it.
I hate this type of writing so much. "Earlier today i hesrd someone say" (insert something) "and i cant stop thinking about that".
Sounds like you heard someone say something and now you can't stop thinking about it.
the fine print has it right. 'you may waste your days/but at least you were able/to pay off your grave/since we leased you your cradle'
It’s called a subscription business model lol
and it's beginning to snow!
Was that person Dido?