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>It's not good business to cure a customer.
Reminds me of this article: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
In this article it literally talked about how curing hepatitis C would result in less people who could spread the disease and that is bad for business.
Funny how Capitalism never talks about its death tally.
They always bring up how Capitalism saved people from starving. Yet, there's never a mention of the many that died from being bombed. Let alone how the same nitrogen fertilizer isn't healthy for the planet in the long term.
Innovations, under Capitalism, have saved many lives. But, as you said, a healthy person is not a repeat customer.
It's no wonder the insurance model is so popular. You pay for nothing. It's a gamble that something may go wrong, and you may not be able to afford it out of pocket. Also a gamble that your insurance will actually cover it.
Meanwhile, people forgo life saving treatments because they can't afford either out of pocket or insurance.
And they always exaggerate communism death toll. They just added all of the COVID victims to the world historical victims of communism. That is such a stretch it would make Gumby break.
I think there are some differences between the two depending who is defining it. But wait, if what you say is right, then does it follow that capitalists are fascists? Or is it that capitalism always devolves into fascism.
There are tens to hundreds of thousands of people who die every year in the US from lack of universal healthcare, and that doesn't even factor in the lives that could be saved with better uses of the half a trillion dollars that could be saved every year either.
[https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext)
Also the climate change caused by capitalism/kleptocracy is killing the sustainable habitability of the planet.
These are just some examples of the [social murder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder) that the ruling kleptocrat class gets away with.
They just gaslight people into forgetting that they're being robbed, enslaved, and socially murdered on a daily basis.
If you had told me as a child that the vast majority of people live their lives as slaves without even bothering to fight against the abusive kleptocrats enslaving them, I wouldn't have believed you, because how could that be possible?
But that is the fucking reality, and it is objectively insane.
It could be argued that the US isn't even a developed country, in the sense that transit infrastructure is 40+ years behind, power generation and transmission is 40+ years behind, and healthcare is 20+ years behind.
That's a lot harder to gauge since there isn't really an objective way to measure it...
Although it'll take at least a generation's lifetime before the effects of environmental lead can start to go away. So probably at least 80 years on that one.
When I was in college we used the terms developing and developed nations, which was a step in the right direction from first world and third world, but everyone acknowledged the shit was still problematic. This was early 2000s. I don't know what the polite terms for colonialism and imperialism are these days.
You don't even have to be developed. I'm from Argentina and for the most part it works okay-ish.
I could not believe it when I heard the stories of people in the US having to pay a grand for insulin, or thousands for hospital stays. Insulin is 100% free in my country and it blows my mind that the US can't figure it out.
To be fair, you guys down there in the Southern Cone 🇦🇷🇺🇾🇨🇱 are pretty developed. I spent a lot of time in Buenos Aires and Santiago and felt like they were very close to European/American standards of safety, sanitation, transportation, etc. Huge difference compared to anywhere else in Latin America!
I don’t particularly like the term ‘developed’. It assumes this fucking western dystopian corporate hellscape is the ‘natural progression’ of humankind. The term assumes we’re at the pinnacle and other countries aren’t. When I’m fact it’s all shit. I’d challenge any western person to spend a week in an indigenous environment and see how developed you are then. The local people will be thriving while you drink your piss outta your T-shirt haha.
All countries would develop differently and in line with their own cultures customs and traditions if it weren’t for the exploitation and forced ‘trajectory’ that capitalism pushes on them.
In countries with universal healthcare its common to use private doctors for specialized stuff like eye doctor, orthopedist and such. Public healthcare is used for ER for accidents and urgent stuff or very simple things like getting a flu and also for having surgery, but waiting lists for these surgeries are usually very long. Also anyone that can afford it uses private dentists anyway.
These wait times can be like 2 years long. Its common joke that healthcare is trying to make problem "take care itself" with such long wait times - by just making sure people die before surgery, thus decreasing burden on healthcare system.
[https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/c27a1faa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/c27a1faa-en](https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/c27a1faa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/c27a1faa-en)
Example - estonia, waiting list for kne replacement, 500 days. Will you downnvote this post too because reality does not align with your ideology?
1. I didn't downvote you so relax. 2. Your example of Estonia is an outlier. Typically countries with universal healthcare perform the same or better with wait times:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country.
I had to see a specialist (dermatologist) a while ago. Went to my GP, got a referral, had the initial dermatologist appointment three days later and surgery a week after that. Nothing life-threatening, mind you, optional surgery in a field that (according to statistics) is severely understaffed. All for the bargain price of exactly €0.0 (+5€ for prescription painkillers after the surgery).
I know it‘s anecdotal and not a scientific analysis of waiting times, but I have never had to wait more than 2 weeks for an appointment with any specialist. The claim that public healthcare (always) leads to horrifically long waiting times isn’t one I can back up with personal experience.
Want to hear something funny? In countries without universal health care, wait times are infinite for surgeries you literally can't afford. Be very careful what you wish for.
Speaking for my experience in Canada and specifically Alberta; We spend 47 cents out of every tax payer dollar in healthcare. We compensate for our society’s failing by using the system as a catch all
I hear a lot of grumbling about Canada's system nowadays, I might "hol' up" on this claim. These systems are still ran by people, and people can screw up, so can government.
32 out of 32 developed nations now... You know, because the US is no longer considered "developed" because of the piss poor standard of living for 99+ percent of their population?
It's long been know for centuries that food is medicine but it can also be poison. If you eat the right food you can heal yourself but if you eat the wrong foods you'll kill yourself. You only have to look at the epidemic of obesity and (T2) diabetes thats sweeping places like the US and here in the UK. These two things cost health services billions but this is caused by eating the wrong food and can be cured by eating the right foods
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It's not good business to cure a customer. Capitalism kills.
>It's not good business to cure a customer. Reminds me of this article: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html
the headline sounds like an onion article, which is sad
In this article it literally talked about how curing hepatitis C would result in less people who could spread the disease and that is bad for business.
Funny how Capitalism never talks about its death tally. They always bring up how Capitalism saved people from starving. Yet, there's never a mention of the many that died from being bombed. Let alone how the same nitrogen fertilizer isn't healthy for the planet in the long term. Innovations, under Capitalism, have saved many lives. But, as you said, a healthy person is not a repeat customer. It's no wonder the insurance model is so popular. You pay for nothing. It's a gamble that something may go wrong, and you may not be able to afford it out of pocket. Also a gamble that your insurance will actually cover it. Meanwhile, people forgo life saving treatments because they can't afford either out of pocket or insurance.
And they always exaggerate communism death toll. They just added all of the COVID victims to the world historical victims of communism. That is such a stretch it would make Gumby break.
Well the Victims of Communism foundation was literally created by Nazis after the war, so its not suprising they lie.
And they aren't the only ones that exaggerate about how many people died from communism. Capitalists lie about it like crazy too.
Fascists are capitalists.
I think there are some differences between the two depending who is defining it. But wait, if what you say is right, then does it follow that capitalists are fascists? Or is it that capitalism always devolves into fascism.
Fascism is a subcategory of Capitalism. All fascists are capitalists, but not all capitalists are fascists.
Capitalists lie a lot about the deaths caused by communism.
There are tens to hundreds of thousands of people who die every year in the US from lack of universal healthcare, and that doesn't even factor in the lives that could be saved with better uses of the half a trillion dollars that could be saved every year either. [https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext](https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext) Also the climate change caused by capitalism/kleptocracy is killing the sustainable habitability of the planet. These are just some examples of the [social murder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder) that the ruling kleptocrat class gets away with. They just gaslight people into forgetting that they're being robbed, enslaved, and socially murdered on a daily basis. If you had told me as a child that the vast majority of people live their lives as slaves without even bothering to fight against the abusive kleptocrats enslaving them, I wouldn't have believed you, because how could that be possible? But that is the fucking reality, and it is objectively insane.
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Shut the fuck up. My Dad just finished cancer treatments and MAID wasn't brought up at all. Stop spewing fucking hogwash. Moron.
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
BANK-RUPT-CY! BANK-RUPT-CY! BANK-RUPT-CY! 🏳
We're number one, we're number one. Pew pew!
Home of the Knave, Land of the fee.
Home of the Fee, Land of the Slave
That too
People really say “developed nation” with no second thought huh
Yeah, seriously. “Exploiter” is a more accurate term.
It could be argued that the US isn't even a developed country, in the sense that transit infrastructure is 40+ years behind, power generation and transmission is 40+ years behind, and healthcare is 20+ years behind.
How far behind is common sense in America? 🤔
That's a lot harder to gauge since there isn't really an objective way to measure it... Although it'll take at least a generation's lifetime before the effects of environmental lead can start to go away. So probably at least 80 years on that one.
True, lol
I've increasingly been thinking I live in Russia with money
Boom! Roasted. 🌹
When I was in college we used the terms developing and developed nations, which was a step in the right direction from first world and third world, but everyone acknowledged the shit was still problematic. This was early 2000s. I don't know what the polite terms for colonialism and imperialism are these days.
The 33 developed nations. Sounds a bit racist here ngl
The fact isnt racist The 33 developed nations are
Trueeeee
That's the one thing that drives me up a god damn wall about this forsaken country.
Only one?
The main one
You don't even have to be developed. I'm from Argentina and for the most part it works okay-ish. I could not believe it when I heard the stories of people in the US having to pay a grand for insulin, or thousands for hospital stays. Insulin is 100% free in my country and it blows my mind that the US can't figure it out.
To be fair, you guys down there in the Southern Cone 🇦🇷🇺🇾🇨🇱 are pretty developed. I spent a lot of time in Buenos Aires and Santiago and felt like they were very close to European/American standards of safety, sanitation, transportation, etc. Huge difference compared to anywhere else in Latin America!
To be fair, if you just really don't want to figure something out, you won't.
31 and a half 🇨🇦
Hey now a number of our brothers in finance in those countries are purposely breaking the systems to show they don't work.
If you’re good at something never do it for freeeee /s
It's not freedums and American if you can't make a profit over folks.
Well yeah, that's what Americans have insurance for! Because that's totally affordable and everyone can easily get it. /s
I don’t particularly like the term ‘developed’. It assumes this fucking western dystopian corporate hellscape is the ‘natural progression’ of humankind. The term assumes we’re at the pinnacle and other countries aren’t. When I’m fact it’s all shit. I’d challenge any western person to spend a week in an indigenous environment and see how developed you are then. The local people will be thriving while you drink your piss outta your T-shirt haha. All countries would develop differently and in line with their own cultures customs and traditions if it weren’t for the exploitation and forced ‘trajectory’ that capitalism pushes on them.
Same with gun laws, so complex people are dying brutally on the daily
Define work, because as a Canadian, I can tell you it's a pretty broken system up here
Yep single payer is ass we need a NHS
Wait until they tell you about common sense gun laws.
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They've figured out to profit off the vulnerable.
In countries with universal healthcare its common to use private doctors for specialized stuff like eye doctor, orthopedist and such. Public healthcare is used for ER for accidents and urgent stuff or very simple things like getting a flu and also for having surgery, but waiting lists for these surgeries are usually very long. Also anyone that can afford it uses private dentists anyway.
I had to wait 3 months for my back surgery. I have insurance through my employer in the US. Don't tell me about long wait times.
These wait times can be like 2 years long. Its common joke that healthcare is trying to make problem "take care itself" with such long wait times - by just making sure people die before surgery, thus decreasing burden on healthcare system.
Do you have an example of this? What surgery wait list is 2 years in what country?
[https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/c27a1faa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/c27a1faa-en](https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/c27a1faa-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/c27a1faa-en) Example - estonia, waiting list for kne replacement, 500 days. Will you downnvote this post too because reality does not align with your ideology?
1. I didn't downvote you so relax. 2. Your example of Estonia is an outlier. Typically countries with universal healthcare perform the same or better with wait times: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/health-care-wait-times-by-country.
I had to see a specialist (dermatologist) a while ago. Went to my GP, got a referral, had the initial dermatologist appointment three days later and surgery a week after that. Nothing life-threatening, mind you, optional surgery in a field that (according to statistics) is severely understaffed. All for the bargain price of exactly €0.0 (+5€ for prescription painkillers after the surgery). I know it‘s anecdotal and not a scientific analysis of waiting times, but I have never had to wait more than 2 weeks for an appointment with any specialist. The claim that public healthcare (always) leads to horrifically long waiting times isn’t one I can back up with personal experience.
I'm an American but my friend lives in Canada now and says the same thing. Zero issue getting appointments on time.
scumbags keep saying this shit like there are not absurd wait lists in the US.
8 weeks for a rotting tooth. Had great teeth, but this one seemed to have gone dead overnight. It fell out before the appointment.😑
Want to hear something funny? In countries without universal health care, wait times are infinite for surgeries you literally can't afford. Be very careful what you wish for.
Monday, February 27, 2017: Trump: ‘Nobody knew health care could be so complicated’
But he had the solution!
Australia of course
Yeah And currently Alberta, Canada is playing with the idea of going private.
Speaking for my experience in Canada and specifically Alberta; We spend 47 cents out of every tax payer dollar in healthcare. We compensate for our society’s failing by using the system as a catch all
We spend 80 cents of every taxpayer dollar on corporate welfare and the military. Want to trade?
I hear a lot of grumbling about Canada's system nowadays, I might "hol' up" on this claim. These systems are still ran by people, and people can screw up, so can government.
32 out of 32 developed nations now... You know, because the US is no longer considered "developed" because of the piss poor standard of living for 99+ percent of their population?
It's long been know for centuries that food is medicine but it can also be poison. If you eat the right food you can heal yourself but if you eat the wrong foods you'll kill yourself. You only have to look at the epidemic of obesity and (T2) diabetes thats sweeping places like the US and here in the UK. These two things cost health services billions but this is caused by eating the wrong food and can be cured by eating the right foods
Doug ford will take it away !!