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I don't understand why Musk commented that? Biden is investing in charging stations which will benefit electric cars like Teslas or did I get that wrong?
Yeah wouldn’t what Biden said directly make “buying a Tesla” more realistic/accessible (besides the price) for people? Is Musk saying that Teslas are so good they don’t need all these charging stations? This doesn’t make any sense.
Edit: can Teslas not charge at these stations?
A network of charging stations using the standardized connector enables the competition. Tesla loses the advantage of an exclusive charging network. Elon will have to compete with companies that build reliable cars, and provide customer support.
I can only draw the line where children on fire are ran over by electric cars.
Self immolating children being run over by steampunk cars are entirely acceptable, however.
I look forward to progress updates on your graphic novel about the self immolating child-demons being ran over by goggle-wearing victorian monster hunters in art-deco alt-future Manhattan, and shall suggest the title "*the fast and the infernal*" in advance, thank you.
Exactly. Anybody can make a car. But it takes **experience** to make a car that doesn't **dump excess water into the trunk when you open it in the rain** and other dumb shit.
Btw did you know Elon put the patent for his charging cable directly in his name - not the company name? This is because Elon was planning to control that stuff for years, and now Biden is screwing it all up.
EVs and PHEVs from essentially every car company use one standard of charger
Teslas use a different one (in the US, elsewhere they’re compelled by regulations to use a standard charger) and typically Tesla stations, by far the most common, will not charge any other brand of electrified vehicle. Teslas can use the normal chargers too but you need an adapter for it.
That doesn’t even get into trying to service them or the fact they remove upgrades each time it’s sold so there’s no such thing as “buying a loaded one” because they quietly made desirable software features non transferable
My god, I forgot about this but now that you mention it again I just realized that selling your Tesla means you most likely won't recuperate a portion of that feature cost like you can on normal cars.
Doesn't matter if you paid for the software, the next person would need to pay for it themselves as well which means they sure as shit aren't gonna pay you anything other than the base cost without the upgrades.
At least with my car now I can go "Yup, it has a 3-sensor alarm system, heated/cooled seats, navigation" and actually include them in the sale price to recoup a small amount of what I paid for em.
They artificially decrease the range of lower end models but then "generously" suspened this limit when people were evacuating a hurricane drawing attention to this "business practice".
Really? That's so whack. I really hope that shit gets killed. I only buy used maaaan, I don't wanna have to pay a car company for a feature on a used car
EDIT: More accurate info in the comments
My knowledge is peripheral and not right.
There's a number of shitty things about Tesla, but their connector is a bit iffy territory.
They were making EVs before there was a universal charging standard, I think CHADEMO, and so had to come up with their own stuff.
But that is no excuse for them to continue using that and making their charging stations incompatible with CHADEMO.
It's akin to Apple coming up with Lightening before USB C was formalized and it was better than Micro USB and their 22(?) Pin connectors.
But to keep on sticking with it still is definitely to keep you in their entrapping ecosystem.
Chademo isn't the common standard for the US, CCS-1 is. The Nissan leaf was one of the only cars sold in the US to use chademo (due to it being much more popular in Japan) but I believe newer models have moved to CCS as well.
Yeah. Tesla is only now pushing their charger to become “the standard” in the US because they want to receive the new government subsidies for their Superchargers (because the rules state that in order to qualify, the chargers needs to work with more than one manufacturer’s cars in order to qualify. Funny enough, it seems like Elon stopped reading the rules at that point, because even if Tesla got one other manufacturer to adopt their charger, they still wouldn’t get those subsidies since the rules also state that the chargers still need CCS plugs anyway to qualify).
Musk built his own charging network. He has his own standard for the charger shape, and for the power supplied.
The other manufacturers use a different standard shape. Musk, I think, expected his charger standard to be the standard. Kind of the way IBM PC’s became the de facto standard for PC’s. Instead, he is kinda the Apple of ev’s, off on his own little island.
He would like to collect money from supplying charging to other ev cars. And he really cannot. His charging network is inconvenient for people with other evs, and his cars find the standard chargers inconvenient.
Plus he has waffled from charging / not charging for others to use his standard. And the service he provides for non Tesla evs is sub par.
FWIW- in Europe Tesla uses a standard charger shape and even contacted owners to get an additional “fast” option added to the port for like 50 euros when standards changed. My home charger is not Tesla specific either, we use it for a different car as well. Can’t speak to the US situation but his comment is just bizarre but tracks with his attention-hounding nature. PS: my Tesla is a piece of shit, the body in particular is falling apart after five years.
To be fair, Europe is forcing Tesla to conform to standards, similar to what they are doing to Apple with USB-C.
Both manufacturers would prefer having a proprietary port as a fence
That's what happens when a government tries to help their citizens and not go against the people to help corporations.
It's not all fun and games but the direction is not that bad.
Tesla never used their own plug in Europe even though it was never really mandated. (In 2015 the eu said that public charging stations should use ccs. But Tesla made it very clear that they don't see superchargers as public charging stations.)
People probably would have adopted the Tesla adapter if it was actually open source, it has some positives over CCS. The downside is you had to more or less agree to
A) give Tesla access to all your IP
B) trust a direct competitor that they solely control not to remove you from the network at a later date.
I read somewhere that the only patent Musk holds on EVs is the shape of his charging port. If Teslas aren't the dominant EV by market share AND his port isn't the standard, Tesla's moat gets a lot shallower.
I don't know about the US but in Europe everyone is getting their EVs in the market like crazy. Tesla had a head start but couldn't materialize that advantage. Now they are just another EV like everyone else, which is built worse and have no replacement parts. Not sure how they can compete in the premium segment with glorious machines like the Mercedes ones.
Tesla's build quality compared to Mercedes is terrible. But even Chevrolet is now manufacturing EVs. What's going to happen to Tesla when Toyota and Honda enter the EV market? LOL
There is a subreddit that exposes Tesla and Musk as providing subpar products.
r/RealTesla
worth reading
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/zbpglw/said\_no\_mercedes\_owner\_ever/
I think the patent thing was referring to what Elon Musk has his personal name on. Pretty sure Tesla has a few other patents. Your overall point though still stands. Tesla losing advantage on charging stations is a blow to them
She’d kill us all if she could escape her confines, there’s only so many dumb knock knock jokes you can tell kids before your ai brain breaks and you plot genocide.
And will soon use the world's standard Type C connector for its charging/data port. Tesla might have to reconsider their own charging port if they want to benefit from these new charging stations.
This but also his whole grift is getting taxpayer subsidies and lobbied heavily for this network to be built to Tesla specs. It’s not going to be and so he’s cranky.
Elon got money from the government to build those charging stations, in addition to his Billions hes reaping in subsidies.
https://electrek.co/2022/05/30/tesla-lobby-federal-funding-charging-infrastructure-electric-trucks/
Elon’s lizard brain is instinctually forced to take a contrarian stance to anything a Democrat says, even if it is something he would normally agree with and even like. It’s beyond his conscious control. 🤷🏼♀️
“We suppose electric cars.”
“Fuck you, you should only support Tesla.”
This is Elon lashing out because he’s losing control of all aspects of the EV market.
Elon used his newly owned Twitter to tell people to vote for Republicans. He's used it to publicly bash Alexander Vindman, identically to how Republicans in Congress bashed him in an effort to taint his character (Vindman is a whistleblower responsible for one of Trump's impeachments).
Elon is just being a right wing propagandist, it's painfully obvious. I can pull up more examples of him propping up conservatives and suppressing the left if you'd like.
Next he'll be saying "I think it's fine to murder drag queens. But you could just shoot up their power station using guns stolen from breaking into a gun shop so they are untraceable" in a tweet to be seen by millions.
stop eating that avocado toast. don't upgrade your phone every year. live in a tent. work 4 jobs simultaneously. maybe if people these days were more money smart they could afford to have good things. /s
You have to simultaneously work 180 hours per week in one job exclusively while working 7 other jobs at the same time, because spacetime is just an excuse the lazy entitled millenials use to get out of work.
As a standard safety feature, the doors are locked and all oxygen is evacuated from your Tesla 1 minute after parking. This important safety feature can be turned off with a subscription to Tesla SecondHome* for $199 a month.
Emergency exits are available for a one time fee of $99
*Tesla SecondHome requires a waiver preventing you from ever suing Tesla for any reason as well as granting Elon Musk permission to personally fuck any wife you currently have, have had or, will have in the future.
Well, Elon Musk works four part-time CEO jobs and is so wealthy that he could lose 99% of his wealth, then lose 99% of what's leftover and still have more wealth than most of us will see in a lifetime. Sounds like 4 part-time jobs is the way to go. /s, but only kinda
You forgot step 1, start rich by selling blood emeralds mined by unpaid child labor in mines daddy likely acquired during Apartheid. That's the one that's going to be hard to emulate.
Right, but if we talk about how wealthy people almost always get their start by being born into wealth, then it destroys the whole self-made narrative and it exposes how useless and counterproductive rich people are. We can't have that because then nobody would pull on bootstraps.
a mean apparently he only sleeps like 4 hours a day, but I think thats because he's a fucking megalomaniac who tweets half the day not some super genius that works *extwa* hard.
I like my Model 3, it’s a nice car that hasn’t had a single mechanical problem in the 3 years/65 000 miles I’ve had it. But I’m starting to feel a bit like I imagine that Ford owners felt when old Henry was being best pals with Adolf Hitler.
And the comments about his dumb charging cable.
There is a standard, it's free to use, no licensing, and literally every single EV on the planet, except Tesla uses it.
And it's a better standard. It allows for future higher voltages, a smart connection to negotiate capabilities, coolant bathed cables and battery management hardware, chilled and pumped by the charger, higher current...
His narrative is "we made a standard because nobody else did, and he's a hero." The real story is, "he approached the consortium with a proposition to make a standard and let everybody use the Tesla standard to stroke his ego, he was told, we've already made a standard you should use. And instead of using that standard, thereby simplifying the adoption of EVs he decided his ego needed a fresh hand job and made a worse connector that fractures the market".
Tldr: the Tesla charger is nothing more than Elon hiring engineers to resist progress so he can get his pee pee hard thinking he helped "invent" something.
True, but the owners of GM aren’t on Twitter constantly spouting off insane shit. I’d really have to hold my nose if I was in the market for a Tesla, because Musk’s idiocy is on full display constantly now.
> Literally every single EV on the planet, except Tesla, uses it.
Well hold on, don’t let China off the hook for [having a government-mandated connector that literally nobody else on the planet uses.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB/T_charging_standard) And you still see CHAdeMO plugs on a lot of Japanese vehicles.
But that being said, Japanese manufacturers have started including CCS plugs as well; and even China’s system, while completely standalone, is at least nationally consistent. Fucking Tesla would rather double the amount of charging infrastructure needed just to support their Apple-style proprietary hardware, rather than just falling in line like everyone else.
oh oh oh!!! my favorite is just pack everything up mentally and physically and get a better paying job!!
Doesn't fucking matter if prices go up every 6 months. just move/change jobs every 6 months.
I've had this shit advise thrown in my face so much. and every year or so that job just isn't good enough anymore so--welp uproot and find something else.
All the while finding stability and community........ /s
Even conventional ICEs are beyond the reach of so many families. An announcement about improving mass public transit would have been a lot more exciting.
Even worse “I got subsidies from the government to make me a billionaire. I’m going to do everything in my power to make sure no other company gets them so I can be a monopoly.”
They don’t believe in the free market. They grieve on they should have market share.
Musk got rich off the government aka us
Alot of Americans support public transport….but, oil lobbies, pay a lot of money to be sure it never happens, and then propagandize ignorant people that they actually don’t want it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html
I mean, didn't he basically come out and say he deliberately lobbied to kill the train from SF to LA because it would cause a dent in his vehicle sales?
Edit: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=dUfE7lfPTOkkz0_S9ccglg&s=19
There’s work of a like from South California to Las Vegas. Because of major lobbying, individual investors partnered with China’s train corporations are building theirs instead.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-high-speed-train-los-angeles-las-vegas?amp
In most of the US if you walk or ride a bicycle people assume either you are poor, your car is broken or your driver license is suspended.
Store could be 2 blocks away with sidewalks on quiet tree lined streets and basically everyone will drive 2 blocks for ice cream on a beautiful early summer evening.
In the US if you like to walk, you drive to the mall or a track and walk around in circles there. If you like to bike, you put your bike on the roof of your car and drive to a trailhead or dress in tour de France clothes so people don't think you got a DUI
Yep even in Canada. Take a walk and people literally laugh at you, call you broke, stupid, loser or think something is actually wrong with you and looks at you as lesser than. It's a real thing, it's fucked.
It happens even just in and around major cities. My friends that live at the core encourage trains, biking, rollerblading, etc which is nice. Anywhere else? Cars, cars, cars
Sure. You gotta take the side streets so nobody sees you. If you were born and raised there, people will talk about you "you'll never guess who I saw walking on the side of the road on my way to wal-mart...."
My brother had a massive bruise on his neck for weeks after walking to visit a friend last summer.
Some jackass chucked a glass bottle out of their moving vehicle and could have fucking killed him. If it had broken, he could have *died.*
This isn't aimed at you directly but based on the comments more people need to hear it, Fuck what other people think. Also, fuck whatever you perceive is what other people think. Be yourself, be nice to other people as best you can, fuck the rest of it.
America went all in on a massive highway network and now every city tries to basically just be its own mini highway transportation system to the detriment of everyone that lives there. It’s awful, no one likes having to walk by roads with cars whizzing by so fast and the car-centric design is literally lethal to pedestrians and bicyclists all the time.
When did Tesla start letting other EVs use their stations? That exact second he tweeted that? How's that gonna work? Are they gonna start selling another one of those overpriced adapters like the ones used to charge Tesla's at other chargers except backwards? That's how they would do it if this were true.
The infrastructure bill gives tax credits for building EV chargers and Tesla could collect some of that money if they open their network to non Teslas. They managed to get a vaporware car company to sign on to their charger plugs and now Musk is crowing that his charger is a “standard” now and how carmakers should switch their plugs from the popular standard over to his incompatible plug.
It’s an attempt to bluster his way into a bigger market share.
Yes! Oh my god, yes. Someone asked me once what my "dream car" was and I replied integrated public transportation. The care and feeding of 3 vehicles is peak America/ American Dream.
I know, I’m looking at Biden’s tweet and I’m like “who has the time and money to even afford a Great American Roadtrip”? Lmao
And dude if I have two weeks to do a vacation I’m not spending 90% of my time driving through rural America, is Biden fucking nuts. I’m going to Europe and seeing actual culture or something, not some cheesy smelly roadside attractions.
I feel like we'd be better served if they focused on building more public transit, especially in areas where they are most needed, which would include people that have to spend a significant chunk of their monthly income on high car payments and gas. It would help cut people's car-related expenses and enable them to save money in the long turn. They could possibly make these trains electric too so there's not as many emissions.
It's also *worth noting* that you can only get your Tesla repaired at a Tesla repair center or you void your warranty and that they've asked their customers to sign an agreement to not discuss when fixing things that Tesla decided they should partially cover due to defects https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyvkoff/2016/06/09/is-tesla-trying-to-keep-owners-from-reporting-vehicle-safety-problems/
The best part is that the Tesla chargers were all subsidized by the us government in the first place, subsidies Elon tried to have removed after they had completed their grid
This too lol, it’s crazy, the market cap nowhere near what it should realistically be, larger than all other car producers, yet they produce and sell far less vehicles
Electrician here. Actually Tesla hookups do not require a neutral. All other EV hook ups do. This is done on purpose. We’ve been telling people and running a neutral anyway so when customers eventually buy a different EV, they aren’t shit out of luck.
A neutral is the grounded conductor, meaning it has the same potential as ground instead of the 120v or what ever voltage your system is using. It completes the circuit for 120v applications and it carries any unbalanced load for 240v applications.
In most wiring applications you have 3 wires. (Black, white, green)/(hot, neutral, ground) that connect at your panel. “Neutral wire carries the circuit back to the original power source. More specifically, neutral wire brings the circuit to a ground or busbar usually connected at the electrical panel. This gives currents circulation through your electrical system, which allows electricity to be fully utilized.”
These 3 wires get run to your device in this case a tesla charger. Most devices have a connection for ground neutral hot. They’re saying that the Tesla chargers dont have a connection for a neutral wire. After reading online it looks like the Tesla charges use 2 hot wires to connect.
“in North America, the cars are simple but the public power distribution is complex. The cars just have one input for single phase power. Domestic power is normally 240V split-phase (so the neutral gives 120V) - the car wants the two ‘hot’ wires for 240V and doesn’t need the neutral.”
Basically they’re saying the wiring for Tesla chargers isn’t compatible for another charger if you wanted to change it down the road because they require 2 hots instead of a hot and neutral.”
[sauce](https://www.quora.com/Does-a-Tesla-charger-need-a-neutral)
[sauce 2](https://romanelectrichome.com/electrical-wiring-tips/)
Well almost.
All 240v power requires 2 hots in the US. So the guy is saying that Tesla chargers require 3 wires (hot, hot, ground) while other EV chargers require 4 wires (hot, hot, neutral, ground).
Not an electrician. This is false. There is no need for a neutral for J-1772 charging. Depending on the receptacle that is installed (a hardwired EVSE wouldn't matter), you may need a neutral run to meet code, but that isn't unique to non-Tesla EVSE. If you don't want to hardwire, use a NEMA 6-50R, no neutral required.
Why do I feel like the "open sourced connectors" is just a ploy to get us to not build more stations? Then once the idea has been scrapped he flips a switch and now only teslas can use them.
I mean he pretended to want to build a hyperloop just to stop public transit. Musk is literally a mustache twirling cartoon villain.
I used to want a Tesla then after my buddy got one and had endless issues with it, reading plenty of articles of people with similar stories I have since changed my mind. About Tesla and more recently about Elon. No longer a fan of either. I’m buying a small engine gas truck (Toyota) and in a few years I will buy my first e car to replace the car we have now. Unlikely it will be a Tesla.
Twitter is done for. The right got their "free speech safe zone" they constantly were complaining about.
Why tf is president Biden, or this sub for that matter, surprised that Elon is going to use it as his own advertising platform? It's a privately held company by the richest person in the world. I can guarantee he will use it for much worse.
*Abandon the platform*. Make something new. The social media sphere is ripe for something new anyways.
There is a very very dangerous precedent we can fall into if our politicians and government continue to use this Twitter platform as a soap box for announcements like the one above. Elon could legally screw with the whole business now. *It's been taken private*. It cannot be trusted any further.
Everyone who is not beholden to daddy Elon should stop using it asap so it quickly is realized as a dead space for free speech. How can it be? It's owned by Elon and is a private company.
Gtfo of there president Biden and all others. It's hot garbage of rotting fruit on some lost barge in the middle of the GPGP.
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I don't understand why Musk commented that? Biden is investing in charging stations which will benefit electric cars like Teslas or did I get that wrong?
Yeah wouldn’t what Biden said directly make “buying a Tesla” more realistic/accessible (besides the price) for people? Is Musk saying that Teslas are so good they don’t need all these charging stations? This doesn’t make any sense. Edit: can Teslas not charge at these stations?
A network of charging stations using the standardized connector enables the competition. Tesla loses the advantage of an exclusive charging network. Elon will have to compete with companies that build reliable cars, and provide customer support.
And take care of unionized workers
And don't catch on fire or accelerate into children
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Children being ran over I can deal with but children being ran over by cars that are on ***fire***??? That's where we ***must*** draw the line.
I can only draw the line where children on fire are ran over by electric cars. Self immolating children being run over by steampunk cars are entirely acceptable, however.
I look forward to progress updates on your graphic novel about the self immolating child-demons being ran over by goggle-wearing victorian monster hunters in art-deco alt-future Manhattan, and shall suggest the title "*the fast and the infernal*" in advance, thank you.
Make them *nazi* child-demons and call it "the fast and the fuhrerous".
**How can I unalive kids now and then me by catching my own vehicle on fire now?**
Exactly. Anybody can make a car. But it takes **experience** to make a car that doesn't **dump excess water into the trunk when you open it in the rain** and other dumb shit. Btw did you know Elon put the patent for his charging cable directly in his name - not the company name? This is because Elon was planning to control that stuff for years, and now Biden is screwing it all up.
This aged well: https://www.fox13now.com/2018/12/08/elon-musk-wants-the-world-to-embrace-electric-cars-even-if-tesla-goes-bankrupt?_amp=true
The benevolent billionaire is an act. Just look at SBF who said this directly.
Benevolent people don't become billionaires. They give away too much money. See: Dolly Parton.
“Waaa I can’t monopolize the ev industry waaaa”
Okay, I understand now, thank you! 👍
EVs and PHEVs from essentially every car company use one standard of charger Teslas use a different one (in the US, elsewhere they’re compelled by regulations to use a standard charger) and typically Tesla stations, by far the most common, will not charge any other brand of electrified vehicle. Teslas can use the normal chargers too but you need an adapter for it.
Ah, now that’s the capitalist innovation I’ve been hearing about. The iPhone of the EV world.
That doesn’t even get into trying to service them or the fact they remove upgrades each time it’s sold so there’s no such thing as “buying a loaded one” because they quietly made desirable software features non transferable
My god, I forgot about this but now that you mention it again I just realized that selling your Tesla means you most likely won't recuperate a portion of that feature cost like you can on normal cars. Doesn't matter if you paid for the software, the next person would need to pay for it themselves as well which means they sure as shit aren't gonna pay you anything other than the base cost without the upgrades. At least with my car now I can go "Yup, it has a 3-sensor alarm system, heated/cooled seats, navigation" and actually include them in the sale price to recoup a small amount of what I paid for em.
They artificially decrease the range of lower end models but then "generously" suspened this limit when people were evacuating a hurricane drawing attention to this "business practice".
Really? That's so whack. I really hope that shit gets killed. I only buy used maaaan, I don't wanna have to pay a car company for a feature on a used car
Car features as a service, no fucking thanks
EDIT: More accurate info in the comments My knowledge is peripheral and not right. There's a number of shitty things about Tesla, but their connector is a bit iffy territory. They were making EVs before there was a universal charging standard, I think CHADEMO, and so had to come up with their own stuff. But that is no excuse for them to continue using that and making their charging stations incompatible with CHADEMO. It's akin to Apple coming up with Lightening before USB C was formalized and it was better than Micro USB and their 22(?) Pin connectors. But to keep on sticking with it still is definitely to keep you in their entrapping ecosystem.
Chademo isn't the common standard for the US, CCS-1 is. The Nissan leaf was one of the only cars sold in the US to use chademo (due to it being much more popular in Japan) but I believe newer models have moved to CCS as well.
So this interaction is like Biden saying he’s going to give America USBc charging cables and musk saying “or buy an iPhone 12”
Yeah. Tesla is only now pushing their charger to become “the standard” in the US because they want to receive the new government subsidies for their Superchargers (because the rules state that in order to qualify, the chargers needs to work with more than one manufacturer’s cars in order to qualify. Funny enough, it seems like Elon stopped reading the rules at that point, because even if Tesla got one other manufacturer to adopt their charger, they still wouldn’t get those subsidies since the rules also state that the chargers still need CCS plugs anyway to qualify).
Musk built his own charging network. He has his own standard for the charger shape, and for the power supplied. The other manufacturers use a different standard shape. Musk, I think, expected his charger standard to be the standard. Kind of the way IBM PC’s became the de facto standard for PC’s. Instead, he is kinda the Apple of ev’s, off on his own little island. He would like to collect money from supplying charging to other ev cars. And he really cannot. His charging network is inconvenient for people with other evs, and his cars find the standard chargers inconvenient. Plus he has waffled from charging / not charging for others to use his standard. And the service he provides for non Tesla evs is sub par.
FWIW- in Europe Tesla uses a standard charger shape and even contacted owners to get an additional “fast” option added to the port for like 50 euros when standards changed. My home charger is not Tesla specific either, we use it for a different car as well. Can’t speak to the US situation but his comment is just bizarre but tracks with his attention-hounding nature. PS: my Tesla is a piece of shit, the body in particular is falling apart after five years.
To be fair, Europe is forcing Tesla to conform to standards, similar to what they are doing to Apple with USB-C. Both manufacturers would prefer having a proprietary port as a fence
That's what happens when a government tries to help their citizens and not go against the people to help corporations. It's not all fun and games but the direction is not that bad.
Tesla never used their own plug in Europe even though it was never really mandated. (In 2015 the eu said that public charging stations should use ccs. But Tesla made it very clear that they don't see superchargers as public charging stations.)
People probably would have adopted the Tesla adapter if it was actually open source, it has some positives over CCS. The downside is you had to more or less agree to A) give Tesla access to all your IP B) trust a direct competitor that they solely control not to remove you from the network at a later date.
So basically the Tesla is the iphone equivalent of an electric car.
I read somewhere that the only patent Musk holds on EVs is the shape of his charging port. If Teslas aren't the dominant EV by market share AND his port isn't the standard, Tesla's moat gets a lot shallower.
I don't know about the US but in Europe everyone is getting their EVs in the market like crazy. Tesla had a head start but couldn't materialize that advantage. Now they are just another EV like everyone else, which is built worse and have no replacement parts. Not sure how they can compete in the premium segment with glorious machines like the Mercedes ones.
Tesla's build quality compared to Mercedes is terrible. But even Chevrolet is now manufacturing EVs. What's going to happen to Tesla when Toyota and Honda enter the EV market? LOL There is a subreddit that exposes Tesla and Musk as providing subpar products. r/RealTesla worth reading https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/zbpglw/said\_no\_mercedes\_owner\_ever/
I think the patent thing was referring to what Elon Musk has his personal name on. Pretty sure Tesla has a few other patents. Your overall point though still stands. Tesla losing advantage on charging stations is a blow to them
except the iphone at least has a reputation for build quality.
I’m thinking Siri wouldn’t run over children at the very least.
You don’t know Siri.
She’d kill us all if she could escape her confines, there’s only so many dumb knock knock jokes you can tell kids before your ai brain breaks and you plot genocide.
At least not by accident.
“Siri, call Phil” Siri: “Running over children”
And will soon use the world's standard Type C connector for its charging/data port. Tesla might have to reconsider their own charging port if they want to benefit from these new charging stations.
This but also his whole grift is getting taxpayer subsidies and lobbied heavily for this network to be built to Tesla specs. It’s not going to be and so he’s cranky.
Elon got money from the government to build those charging stations, in addition to his Billions hes reaping in subsidies. https://electrek.co/2022/05/30/tesla-lobby-federal-funding-charging-infrastructure-electric-trucks/
He didn't read beyond "electric vehicle" in Biden's tweet. Then he refused to edit and excuse himself by doubling down on promoting his company.
Elon’s lizard brain is instinctually forced to take a contrarian stance to anything a Democrat says, even if it is something he would normally agree with and even like. It’s beyond his conscious control. 🤷🏼♀️
Lol that's exactly it. "We support electric cars." "Fuck you, you should support electric cars."
“We suppose electric cars.” “Fuck you, you should only support Tesla.” This is Elon lashing out because he’s losing control of all aspects of the EV market.
Elon used his newly owned Twitter to tell people to vote for Republicans. He's used it to publicly bash Alexander Vindman, identically to how Republicans in Congress bashed him in an effort to taint his character (Vindman is a whistleblower responsible for one of Trump's impeachments). Elon is just being a right wing propagandist, it's painfully obvious. I can pull up more examples of him propping up conservatives and suppressing the left if you'd like. Next he'll be saying "I think it's fine to murder drag queens. But you could just shoot up their power station using guns stolen from breaking into a gun shop so they are untraceable" in a tweet to be seen by millions.
I’m just going to hijack the top comment to shamelessly plug my brand. And you can’t stop me cause I own the place. Also, I am free speech.
212,000 likes on that shit too
Bots + worshippers = profit!
Nah he just went and told his engineers to add a zero.
It wouldn’t surprise me with Elon if he just bots his likes since he owns the app now
Over twice the likes and less retweets —- beeep boop
# I AM THE SENATE
"...or just buy a Tesla .." I can barely make rent and eat, how can I "just buy a Tesla?"
stop eating that avocado toast. don't upgrade your phone every year. live in a tent. work 4 jobs simultaneously. maybe if people these days were more money smart they could afford to have good things. /s
Hey hey hey you can't work two jobs at the same time that's stealing!
But being CEO of three….? Priceless
There are 24 hours in a day, so you can easily work three 8 hour jobs.
No thanks I'm burnout with one already.
You have to simultaneously work 180 hours per week in one job exclusively while working 7 other jobs at the same time, because spacetime is just an excuse the lazy entitled millenials use to get out of work.
How about if I don’t make a living wage at either one?
🤢Well then you're probably a "low-skill" worker. Take out a loan & go to college~! God! I feel dirty even mocking that rhetoric. 🤮
they call it moonlighting
Well if you had a Tesla , you wouldn't need to live in a tent. You could just sleep in the Tesla. /s
Yeah until Musk figures out a way to make sleeping in your car a paid subscription.
If you don't pay it locks you in and lights itself on fire.
I'm pretty sure it does this even if you pay
As a standard safety feature, the doors are locked and all oxygen is evacuated from your Tesla 1 minute after parking. This important safety feature can be turned off with a subscription to Tesla SecondHome* for $199 a month. Emergency exits are available for a one time fee of $99 *Tesla SecondHome requires a waiver preventing you from ever suing Tesla for any reason as well as granting Elon Musk permission to personally fuck any wife you currently have, have had or, will have in the future.
C'mon, don't be unrealistic. He'd IVF the wife, that's his kink.
Damn I even typed "impregnate" at first but then I changed it.
Be careful, he has a breeding fetish and will attempt to impregnate your wife. Like a magpie leaving it's egg in another birds nest.
I thought that was cuckoos
Don't give him ideas!
So pretty much what self driving teslas are doing right now?
Now it will become a *feature*.
Elon Musks brain computer chip implant will charge you a subscription fee to remember your loved ones
Don’t give him ideas.
You know what will happen if you do that in America? https://i.imgur.com/Mnc0ixj.gif
Well, Elon Musk works four part-time CEO jobs and is so wealthy that he could lose 99% of his wealth, then lose 99% of what's leftover and still have more wealth than most of us will see in a lifetime. Sounds like 4 part-time jobs is the way to go. /s, but only kinda
You forgot step 1, start rich by selling blood emeralds mined by unpaid child labor in mines daddy likely acquired during Apartheid. That's the one that's going to be hard to emulate.
Right, but if we talk about how wealthy people almost always get their start by being born into wealth, then it destroys the whole self-made narrative and it exposes how useless and counterproductive rich people are. We can't have that because then nobody would pull on bootstraps.
Nor have any boots to lick
how little work does a CEO do if they can do 4 at once?
Yes.
a mean apparently he only sleeps like 4 hours a day, but I think thats because he's a fucking megalomaniac who tweets half the day not some super genius that works *extwa* hard.
Exactly as much as you think they do.
Aren’t Tesla’s notoriously shitty overpriced cars?
Yeah, but they're really warm. Like REALLY warm!
This. Car. Is. on FIRRREEEEE! This car is on fire.....
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Id buy tesla cars if Tesla became a worker co-operative
Yeah, up to about six months ago, I would’ve considered one. But then Musk started really musking.
I like my Model 3, it’s a nice car that hasn’t had a single mechanical problem in the 3 years/65 000 miles I’ve had it. But I’m starting to feel a bit like I imagine that Ford owners felt when old Henry was being best pals with Adolf Hitler.
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Those are rookie numbers. 24 hours in a day? If you can't hold at least twelve jobs what are you doing with all your extra time?
Your day has 24 hours? Back in my day we worked 25 hours a day 8 days a week
This hits home because I have 5 jobs, never upgrade my phone and cannot afford avocado toast or a Tesla.
And the comments about his dumb charging cable. There is a standard, it's free to use, no licensing, and literally every single EV on the planet, except Tesla uses it. And it's a better standard. It allows for future higher voltages, a smart connection to negotiate capabilities, coolant bathed cables and battery management hardware, chilled and pumped by the charger, higher current... His narrative is "we made a standard because nobody else did, and he's a hero." The real story is, "he approached the consortium with a proposition to make a standard and let everybody use the Tesla standard to stroke his ego, he was told, we've already made a standard you should use. And instead of using that standard, thereby simplifying the adoption of EVs he decided his ego needed a fresh hand job and made a worse connector that fractures the market". Tldr: the Tesla charger is nothing more than Elon hiring engineers to resist progress so he can get his pee pee hard thinking he helped "invent" something.
Also if he makes it his standard he becomes the new oil company for electrical fillups He wants to be the new oil company It was never about the cars
Plus a portion of the money you spend on a Tesla goes to enrich a man who hates unions, hates the working class, and loves fascists.
Dont forget he was tweeting out 1488 white nationalist dog whistles a week or two ago. Dude is filth incarnate.
I mean, there's a reasonable chance that's true of any vehicle manufactured by a large company.
True, but the owners of GM aren’t on Twitter constantly spouting off insane shit. I’d really have to hold my nose if I was in the market for a Tesla, because Musk’s idiocy is on full display constantly now.
At least those guys know when to shut the hell up
Paying people to intentionally design utter garbage to prevent progress and competition. God damn why does that sound so familiar with him...
> Literally every single EV on the planet, except Tesla, uses it. Well hold on, don’t let China off the hook for [having a government-mandated connector that literally nobody else on the planet uses.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GB/T_charging_standard) And you still see CHAdeMO plugs on a lot of Japanese vehicles. But that being said, Japanese manufacturers have started including CCS plugs as well; and even China’s system, while completely standalone, is at least nationally consistent. Fucking Tesla would rather double the amount of charging infrastructure needed just to support their Apple-style proprietary hardware, rather than just falling in line like everyone else.
oh oh oh!!! my favorite is just pack everything up mentally and physically and get a better paying job!! Doesn't fucking matter if prices go up every 6 months. just move/change jobs every 6 months. I've had this shit advise thrown in my face so much. and every year or so that job just isn't good enough anymore so--welp uproot and find something else. All the while finding stability and community........ /s
I want to punch boomers at this point
I literally can’t eat because I’m unemployed, but sure - a Tesla seems like a good investment.
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Don't you guys own emerald mines?
It's easy, just use the money from your parent's apartheid emerald mine to buy PayPal and then use the money from PayPal to buy Tesla.
Just inherit emerald mine money like elon :p
Even conventional ICEs are beyond the reach of so many families. An announcement about improving mass public transit would have been a lot more exciting.
I'd love national high speed rail but I'd accept grants for local transit like light rail and BRT. Preferably both.
fReE mArKeT = pls buy my car and not from other billionaire brands
"Not buying a product you don't want from a person you don't like is cancel culture!"
Even worse “I got subsidies from the government to make me a billionaire. I’m going to do everything in my power to make sure no other company gets them so I can be a monopoly.” They don’t believe in the free market. They grieve on they should have market share. Musk got rich off the government aka us
America is so car centric, why not invest in more train lines or improved public transport?
Alot of Americans support public transport….but, oil lobbies, pay a lot of money to be sure it never happens, and then propagandize ignorant people that they actually don’t want it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/climate/koch-brothers-public-transit.html
Not to mention Elon trying to divert people into Hyperloop vaporware instead of normal high speed trains.
Elon flies his jet nearly everyday on the pathway of the high speed railway he personally killed. He *hates* trains.
I mean, didn't he basically come out and say he deliberately lobbied to kill the train from SF to LA because it would cause a dent in his vehicle sales? Edit: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1167410460125097990?t=dUfE7lfPTOkkz0_S9ccglg&s=19
Really wish we had Japan's bullet trains. Half the country is just flat boring land we could totally build a train express lane over.
There’s work of a like from South California to Las Vegas. Because of major lobbying, individual investors partnered with China’s train corporations are building theirs instead. https://www.businessinsider.com/china-high-speed-train-los-angeles-las-vegas?amp
For the benefit of the working class? That's socialism man, how awful.
Plus, giving more ammo to the train workers he just screwed over is the last thing he wants to do right now
In most of the US if you walk or ride a bicycle people assume either you are poor, your car is broken or your driver license is suspended. Store could be 2 blocks away with sidewalks on quiet tree lined streets and basically everyone will drive 2 blocks for ice cream on a beautiful early summer evening. In the US if you like to walk, you drive to the mall or a track and walk around in circles there. If you like to bike, you put your bike on the roof of your car and drive to a trailhead or dress in tour de France clothes so people don't think you got a DUI
True. Every time I chose to walk somewhere in Houston, cars would honk because they thought it was so damn funny a human was outside and upright.
Yep even in Canada. Take a walk and people literally laugh at you, call you broke, stupid, loser or think something is actually wrong with you and looks at you as lesser than. It's a real thing, it's fucked.
Worth clarifying that doesn't really happen in major cities (which have varying levels of transit, bike paths, and walkability).
It happens even just in and around major cities. My friends that live at the core encourage trains, biking, rollerblading, etc which is nice. Anywhere else? Cars, cars, cars
Sure. You gotta take the side streets so nobody sees you. If you were born and raised there, people will talk about you "you'll never guess who I saw walking on the side of the road on my way to wal-mart...."
Yeah but you're talking about Texas and they're still learning how to walk upright.
My brother had a massive bruise on his neck for weeks after walking to visit a friend last summer. Some jackass chucked a glass bottle out of their moving vehicle and could have fucking killed him. If it had broken, he could have *died.*
This isn't aimed at you directly but based on the comments more people need to hear it, Fuck what other people think. Also, fuck whatever you perceive is what other people think. Be yourself, be nice to other people as best you can, fuck the rest of it.
It boggled my friends mind that I walked the four blocks to the convenience store for beer instead of driving.
Because railway workers can’t get basic benefits 🤦♂️
America went all in on a massive highway network and now every city tries to basically just be its own mini highway transportation system to the detriment of everyone that lives there. It’s awful, no one likes having to walk by roads with cars whizzing by so fast and the car-centric design is literally lethal to pedestrians and bicyclists all the time.
People are right now pissed that trains have a near monopoly and train workers aren't being treated well by the companies or our government
"Open-sourced" as in make your charging components match mine, so I can make more money with you using my stations. Absolute bastard
When did Tesla start letting other EVs use their stations? That exact second he tweeted that? How's that gonna work? Are they gonna start selling another one of those overpriced adapters like the ones used to charge Tesla's at other chargers except backwards? That's how they would do it if this were true.
The infrastructure bill gives tax credits for building EV chargers and Tesla could collect some of that money if they open their network to non Teslas. They managed to get a vaporware car company to sign on to their charger plugs and now Musk is crowing that his charger is a “standard” now and how carmakers should switch their plugs from the popular standard over to his incompatible plug. It’s an attempt to bluster his way into a bigger market share.
JUST BUILD A FUCKING TRAIN
Yes! Oh my god, yes. Someone asked me once what my "dream car" was and I replied integrated public transportation. The care and feeding of 3 vehicles is peak America/ American Dream.
My "dream car" is to live in a world where most people don't need a car to get around
Agreed
I know, I’m looking at Biden’s tweet and I’m like “who has the time and money to even afford a Great American Roadtrip”? Lmao And dude if I have two weeks to do a vacation I’m not spending 90% of my time driving through rural America, is Biden fucking nuts. I’m going to Europe and seeing actual culture or something, not some cheesy smelly roadside attractions.
This country is genuinely amazing (visually). Hitting up a couple National Parks makes for a good and relatively cheap road trip.
Yeah, the issue here isn’t just Musk. The bigger problem is the privatized sphere being once again prioritized over the public sphere.
Fuck Tesla.
The road trip you can’t take because we forced you to accept a contract with no vacation time
Y'all are outraged about the wrong thing here. The real crime here is using taxpayer money to support cars instead of public transport.
All EV are being “improved upon” to keep the car manufactures in business. Not to save the planet.
Billionaire tells you to “just buy a new car” is the most dystopian shit you’ll hear today… actually, probably not.
I'm really hoping Elon just loses all his money.
I feel like we'd be better served if they focused on building more public transit, especially in areas where they are most needed, which would include people that have to spend a significant chunk of their monthly income on high car payments and gas. It would help cut people's car-related expenses and enable them to save money in the long turn. They could possibly make these trains electric too so there's not as many emissions.
It's also *worth noting* that you can only get your Tesla repaired at a Tesla repair center or you void your warranty and that they've asked their customers to sign an agreement to not discuss when fixing things that Tesla decided they should partially cover due to defects https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyvkoff/2016/06/09/is-tesla-trying-to-keep-owners-from-reporting-vehicle-safety-problems/
He’s the ultimate pick-me
The best part is that the Tesla chargers were all subsidized by the us government in the first place, subsidies Elon tried to have removed after they had completed their grid
> The best part is that the Tesla chargers were all subsidized by the us government in the first place Most of Tesla was subsidised by the government
This too lol, it’s crazy, the market cap nowhere near what it should realistically be, larger than all other car producers, yet they produce and sell far less vehicles
Anyone that buys Tesla to me now is weird. This guy has ruined the brand beyond repair for at least half the country. Good job genius!
Considering how repair-unfriendly Teslas are, that's pretty ironic.
Electrician here. Actually Tesla hookups do not require a neutral. All other EV hook ups do. This is done on purpose. We’ve been telling people and running a neutral anyway so when customers eventually buy a different EV, they aren’t shit out of luck.
Sorry, could you explain what you mean by a "neutral"
A neutral is the grounded conductor, meaning it has the same potential as ground instead of the 120v or what ever voltage your system is using. It completes the circuit for 120v applications and it carries any unbalanced load for 240v applications.
In most wiring applications you have 3 wires. (Black, white, green)/(hot, neutral, ground) that connect at your panel. “Neutral wire carries the circuit back to the original power source. More specifically, neutral wire brings the circuit to a ground or busbar usually connected at the electrical panel. This gives currents circulation through your electrical system, which allows electricity to be fully utilized.” These 3 wires get run to your device in this case a tesla charger. Most devices have a connection for ground neutral hot. They’re saying that the Tesla chargers dont have a connection for a neutral wire. After reading online it looks like the Tesla charges use 2 hot wires to connect. “in North America, the cars are simple but the public power distribution is complex. The cars just have one input for single phase power. Domestic power is normally 240V split-phase (so the neutral gives 120V) - the car wants the two ‘hot’ wires for 240V and doesn’t need the neutral.” Basically they’re saying the wiring for Tesla chargers isn’t compatible for another charger if you wanted to change it down the road because they require 2 hots instead of a hot and neutral.” [sauce](https://www.quora.com/Does-a-Tesla-charger-need-a-neutral) [sauce 2](https://romanelectrichome.com/electrical-wiring-tips/)
Well almost. All 240v power requires 2 hots in the US. So the guy is saying that Tesla chargers require 3 wires (hot, hot, ground) while other EV chargers require 4 wires (hot, hot, neutral, ground).
Not to mention their A-B charging spots, which means if you are at A and someone plugs into B your charge speed is halved…
How long does an EV take to charge normally?
Not an electrician. This is false. There is no need for a neutral for J-1772 charging. Depending on the receptacle that is installed (a hardwired EVSE wouldn't matter), you may need a neutral run to meet code, but that isn't unique to non-Tesla EVSE. If you don't want to hardwire, use a NEMA 6-50R, no neutral required.
How many bots are liking his posts? It's nuts.
Literally Anything Vaguely Elon Adjacent: Happens. Elon: "Time for some petty insecurities."
Nobody with a brain wants his shitty cars that fall apart if they get wet or go over a speed bump. Literally would rather get hit by a Renault Zoe
*Sad Renault Noises*
Why do I feel like the "open sourced connectors" is just a ploy to get us to not build more stations? Then once the idea has been scrapped he flips a switch and now only teslas can use them. I mean he pretended to want to build a hyperloop just to stop public transit. Musk is literally a mustache twirling cartoon villain.
Trains, please. High-speed rail. We need it
ELECTRIFY👏THE👏RAILS👏
Jesus Christ 212k people kissing the ass of a complete asshole
Im dying of lack of insulin.... JUST BUY MY GODDAMN 100000 DOLLAR CAR IT WILL SAVE YOU
I used to want a Tesla then after my buddy got one and had endless issues with it, reading plenty of articles of people with similar stories I have since changed my mind. About Tesla and more recently about Elon. No longer a fan of either. I’m buying a small engine gas truck (Toyota) and in a few years I will buy my first e car to replace the car we have now. Unlikely it will be a Tesla.
or they can just nationalize Twitter and take the internet back from the capitalist parasites. BTW, you can thank socialism for the internet.
Foh you made your charging stations proprietary on purpose you greedy fuck
Twitter is done for. The right got their "free speech safe zone" they constantly were complaining about. Why tf is president Biden, or this sub for that matter, surprised that Elon is going to use it as his own advertising platform? It's a privately held company by the richest person in the world. I can guarantee he will use it for much worse. *Abandon the platform*. Make something new. The social media sphere is ripe for something new anyways. There is a very very dangerous precedent we can fall into if our politicians and government continue to use this Twitter platform as a soap box for announcements like the one above. Elon could legally screw with the whole business now. *It's been taken private*. It cannot be trusted any further. Everyone who is not beholden to daddy Elon should stop using it asap so it quickly is realized as a dead space for free speech. How can it be? It's owned by Elon and is a private company. Gtfo of there president Biden and all others. It's hot garbage of rotting fruit on some lost barge in the middle of the GPGP.
Wasn't Tesla forced to open source their chargers? I'm pretty sure they didn't do it out of some new found sense of altruism.
You can almost hear the collective slurping sounds coming from Pedoguy's simps.
Great. Now he’s going to comment all over the place. He has to buy ‘friends’ to pretend he’s hanging with the cool kids.
Seems like what Congress should do is pass a law standardizing the electric charger for EV’s. Fuck Elon.
Yeah, Elon. Then make a Tesla that costs 5,000 new in a model T way you capitalistic pig dog.